[00:00] So is deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main the ppa for nightly ? [00:01] Oh, or deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main [00:02] hardy is no longer supported [00:02] intrepid is current for neon [00:02] stdin: nightly only gets built for latest stable kubuntu [00:02] Right, I'm just copy+pasting from links, http://forum.kde.org/-solved-kde4-beta-repository-t-6284.html [00:02] steveire:^ [00:02] Ok, that's cool. [00:02] steveire: comes with headers built in [00:02] and seperate -dbg packages [00:03] updated in a 3 day cycle (if nothing breaks ;-) [00:03] deploying new qt as necessary [00:03] apachelogger: OK, sounds cool. So for someone trying to get into kde development it could simplify things greatly right? [00:04] steveire: at least one Amarok dev uses it ;-) [00:04] also since it sandboxes to .kde-neon it makes testing a lot easier [00:04] :) It's something that I think should get more coverage on techbase [00:04] and there is a special build script to ensure everything gets built against the correct stack [00:05] steveire: feel free to write something :P [00:05] Oh, cool, that was going to be another question. Where does it install things? The standard kubuntu locations or somewhere different? [00:05] /opt/kde-nightly [00:05] it is designed to be used along a stable KDE installation [00:05] And I think I read somewhere that it is also available on other distros? [00:06] nope, only kubuntu due to lack of other maintainers [00:06] but the underlying script is designed to support more distros [00:06] Oh, what makes it designed as so? Do you mean it won't conflict with another installation? [00:07] I *think* opensuse makes weeklys available. [00:07] opensuse's replace a stable installation though :P [00:07] I wouldn't want to recommend that... [00:08] me neither, opensuse's builds are mostly created to keep their distribution packaging up-to-date and thus decrease the amount of work they have to do when a KDE release becomes available [00:09] OK, so instead of pointing someone to http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4, I'll create a page for project neon and recommend that for new developers. [00:09] \o/ [00:10] They'll still have to do some setup, but probably don't have to set up a separate account as the config dir is different. [00:11] They'll have to set some env vars to put /opt/kde-nightly/{include,lib} in front. [00:12] neonmake takes care of this [00:12] apachelogger: In what way? [00:12] it is a wrapper around cmake&&make&&make install [00:12] setting env vars beforehand [00:13] creating build dir etc. [00:13] Any other useful tools there? [00:14] don't think so, the others are amarok focused [00:14] Where does it create a build dir? ./build? [00:14] yes [00:16] So, for someone who wanted to join the kdepim team and was just getting started, I could tell them to get kdebase etc from the ppa, then svn co kdepim and focus on that. [00:16] Grand. So it will be [00:16] Will you help writing the page, or reviewing my drafts? [00:16] reviewing shouldn't be a problem [00:17] I understand :) [00:17] can probably also help a bit ;-) [00:17] cool so. [00:19] apachelogger: Does it break often? Early in the release cycle I imagine if anything. [00:19] And does it have a homepage? [00:21] https://edge.launchpad.net/project-neon [00:21] basically never breaks ;-) [00:22] I only recommend updates once the stack is built on a new release [00:22] after that only file conflicts occur from time to time, which need to be corrected manually with a dpkg --force-overwrite FILETHATCONFLICTS [00:23] ' I only recommend updates once the stack is built on a new release' Sorry, I don't understand this. Could you rephrase? [00:23] dont update every 3-4 days? [00:26] example: once 9.04 comes out project-neon might not be fully built/tested and thus 8.10 will continue to be supported until all (if any) issues are sorted out on 9.04, once it works on 9.04 the 8.10 building will be stopped and 9.04 becomes the supported release === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [00:32] luckily build-deps don't bump that far most of the time ;-) [00:32] Yeah, it's not too bad. [00:33] So, if the package backports without much issue, it is installed to the regular kubuntu location, replacing the universe version? [00:33] yes [00:34] though, TBH I only backported once (libmsn) and that wasn't available in 8.10 [00:34] I prefer the option where a new package gets created because it is saver and cleaner in general [00:35] Yeah, I'd agree there. What about translations? [00:36] Is it English only? [00:36] yes [00:37] OK, grand. [00:38] I don't know much about that kind of thing. If I install stable i18n packages for German, say, and project neon, will neon use available translated strings or not at all? [00:40] hm, never tried [00:40] /home/me/.kde-neon/share/locale/:/opt/kde-nightly/share/locale/ [00:40] steveire: nope [00:40] but a l10n tarball can be easy enough built and installed using neonmake [00:40] User documentation? [00:41] only english [00:41] Only english docs? [00:41] standard KDE documentation as shipped along the source [00:41] steveire: docs would be part of l10n tarballs as well [00:42] OK. [00:43] Nightrose: KDE has a bogus mime spec implementation [00:43] * apachelogger got lost 4 times before he found the stuff he was looking for [00:43] :/ [00:43] * Nightrose is tired [00:44] +1 [00:44] me too. [00:44] Nightrose: btw, does amarok have a bug squad? [00:44] yes mark seb and me [00:44] :P [00:45] you could cleanup the amarok ubuntu bugs [00:45] amarok almost got as many bugs as kdepim [00:45] i certainly don't have time for that :( [00:45] and i doubt seb and mark do [00:46] * apachelogger lets it rot further then [00:46] I think JontheEchidna is closing all of it once amarok2 is imported anyway [00:46] *nod* [00:46] fine with me [00:47] since i already triage a craptonne of bugs, i'm happy to help triage amarok bugs. just let me know any particular pointers. [00:47] the audio stack part is cakewalk, but anything above that into Qt-land and KDE-lands i appreciate pointers. [00:48] crimsun: we better get amarok2 in the archives first [00:48] concur [00:49] then we can pretty much close everything that is amarok1-only, since it is unmaintained upstream and we don't have the resources to fix the remaining issues anyway [00:51] Are the kdegames and kdeedu modules not available on neon? [00:51] steveire: edu is since last week, games is still not [00:52] OK, cool. Not giving out, just documenting :). [00:52] well, I can add stuff easy enough upon request [00:53] I just didn't want to have all of KDE built while some of the modules don't get used at all [00:54] Sure. I agree. Wait for the requests and then grab on to the requesters and draw them in :) [00:59] apachelogger: Does it change the $PATH at all? I mean if I don't install the kdebase nightly, but only the kdepim nightly, I'll want to run the stable version usually and the nightly version only when I choose to. I'll probably write some bash functions to switch around if neccesary. [01:01] it's rpathed, thus /opt/kde-nightly/bin/kmail would be enough [01:01] rpath? [01:02] it might mess with some tmp/cache files though, there isn't much testing going on since it's major purpose is to run a complete session [01:02] steveire: hardcoded library paths [01:02] Oh, so it knows how to find the correct nighly libraries. [01:02] yes [01:02] Right [01:49] brr.. too much schnapps in this drink [02:02] :D [02:02] * Sput just had beer [02:02] gnight [02:05] 'night === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Wecome to #kubuntu-devel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | Merges! http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html [03:03] is lists.ubuntu.com down for any of you guys? [03:03] yup [03:09] JontheEchidna: What are you trying to find there? [03:10] Oh, I use that to view all of the kubuntu-bugs bugmail so that I don't have to deal with a crapton of email in kmail every day [03:10] I still do read all of it :P [03:10] JontheEchidna: Ok. That is one mailing list I don't subscribe to ;) [03:10] hehe [03:19] Just tossed my "Notifications - please don't fix them for KDE" post to planet .... [03:19] nixternal, have you tried choqok? [03:20] can't say that I have [03:20] it's in the new queue, it's ver niceish (twitter client) [03:21] looks nice [03:21] wish there was a client with both twitter and identi.ca, as I have different followers and some people who only use identi.ca [03:22] the author is willing to adjust it to work with identi.ca as well [03:22] I think it'll turn out to be a nice client [03:25] looks good, no doubt [03:26] * nhandler is still waiting for a ncurses identi.ca client [03:26] Personally I don't get the whole micro-blogging thing. [03:26] ScottK: it was useful at UDS [03:26] i try to get into it every month or so [03:26] but it's a bit odd outside of that, it seems. [03:26] Posting - "Just finished a two hour blow-up with my 17 year-old step daughter and I'm tired" doesn't seem so useful. [03:27] my life is too boring for micro-blogging [03:27] Hobbsee: That's kind of a special case. [03:27] IRC is sufficient if anything of interest happens [03:27] vorian: I am the same way [03:27] ScottK: indeed. [03:28] I have the accounts, but I rarely update or follow them unless I am at some event where everyone else is doing it and I get reminded again [03:29] ScottK: I just read through your blog post [03:30] nhandler: Comments? [03:33] ScottK: I have a lot of the same feelings as you. Personally, queueing notifications seems like the most useless idea I have heard in a while. If I am hilighted in IRC, getting the notification, even a minute later means it is too late to respond (in most channels). I also think being able to click on them is natural, but annoying. I would prefer something that is easier and smoother than clicking on a tiny window in the corner of the scr [03:33] i gotta try out quassel [03:33] corner of the scr [03:33] vorian: So do I. Although for the time being, irssi does meet my needs [03:34] Hobbsee: ??? Did it get cut off? [03:35] nhandler: Unless corner of the scr was then end of what you wrote, yes. [03:35] nhandler: yes [03:35] * Hobbsee giggles at ScottK [03:35] ScottK: Ok, I'll resend the rest of it. irssi didn't show it getting cut off [03:36] nhandler: splitlines.pl, or something similar. find it. use it. ;) [03:36] 19:39 <+ibuclaw> !pwned > PriceChild [03:36] (ignore that) [03:36] !pwned > JontheEchidna [03:36] Sorry, I don't know anything about pwned [03:36] corner of the screen. However, I am unable to think of a better idea right now. I also disagree with the way canonical is going about implementing this feature. [03:37] Bring a team in to create it just seems wrong. I would probably be less against it if the team was open and available on irc to interact with, but a private team just seems to go against the ubuntu philosophy [03:37] JontheEchidna: It was a custom factoid in a bot I made for another channel [03:37] ah, lol [03:37] nhandler: are you sure it *is* a private team? [03:38] nhandler: a lot of them aren't, but aren't saying "we're inviting all FOSS people to participate either" [03:38] Hobbsee: It's not particularly public if is is brought up as discussed at UDS and yet there were no sessions on it. [03:39] nhandler: i think the team is too new to know that they should have a public/online presence [03:39] ScottK: i never said that canonical were doing the right thing in publicising it. What i'm saying is that unless these things are marked ZOMGPRIVATE, (in which case, you probably wouldn't know of it's existance), they're probably open enough if you say you'd like to help [03:39] ScottK: yes, and they also realised what a stupid mistake that was and hopefully they wont do it again [03:39] seele: The team was made by canonical, I don't think you can call canonical new [03:39] ScottK: and also, they can be prodded into making things public, if they're private, and shouldn't be. [03:40] nhandler: no, but a lot of the new people are new to the whole open source thing and how people work online [03:40] Right. Well that's why I asked if anyone was working on a KDE implemetation we'd really like to know. [03:40] ScottK: dbus interface, the DX team is going to work with KDE on creating a "new" fdo spec [03:41] which features such as interaction can be configured to be on or off [03:41] nhandler: several of the new people were weeks and days new. not six months new [03:42] seele: I guess I just feel that since it is a Canonical team, we shouldn't be having these "learning periods". [03:42] seele: I don't buy that as an excuse. For the individuals, sure, but not for Canonical as a whole. [03:42] nhandler: why? it isn't unreasonable that they have to train people in their corporate culture [03:42] * Hobbsee notes that canonical has traditionally not gotten this right, in various cases. [03:43] seele: My fear is they have. [03:43] look at the release team, or archive teams, or various other of the ubuntu teams for eg, that are dominated by canonical people [03:43] seele: Training people is one thing. But establishing basic things like an irc channel, or even a mailing list is another thing [03:43] Release team seems to have gotten more open. [03:43] ScottK: KDE and GNOME wont be forced to use it and it will be Canonical's fault for not involving them from the start and screwing it up [03:43] ScottK: but i think that is something they've learned and will be more careful about in the future [03:43] I hope we won't be forced to use it. [03:44] ScottK: oh, it has now. But we won't mention how long it took, and how difficult it was (on both sides of the fence) to obtain that. [03:44] * nhandler goes to finish up some work before his break ends tomorrow [03:44] Hobbsee: Agreed. [03:45] ScottK: i am doubtful we will get a choice, especially since Canonical has pledge to support Kubuntu more seriously (such as hiring 1, maybe 2 KDE/Qt developers) [03:45] ScottK: the teams certainly get better, but they don't seem to get it right from the start, a lot of the time [03:45] * vorian notes that Scot.tK's notices must be going berzerk atm [04:06] jeesh it is noisey in here [04:07] did we wake the old vista-loving man up from his afternoon nap? ;) [04:08] it is 22:08 here, way past afternoon [04:08] but you just reminded me that I need to get off of my ass and go switch out my laundry :) [04:09] haha [04:09] i guess i'ts afternoon here, so.. [04:12] the internet has no time zone [04:13] yes it does [04:13] "morning" [04:14] i was thinking "late at night. always" [04:17] jeesh, with all the laundry I have, it is almost like the last time I did it was over a month ao [04:17] ago [04:30] seele: Until said developers are hired and working, it's all just theory. [04:31] That and if someone uploads a bunch of unspec'ed patches that change us away from upstream without discussion, I've got no compunction at all about reverting it. [04:34] ScottK: have a little faith. They will be hired. it doesn't make sense to do it at this point in the cycle [04:34] seele: Sure, but the notifications thing was pitched for this cycle. [04:34] and if patches get as far as uploaded then i'd say it is a bit too late to make a decision about [04:34] ScottK: not for kubuntu. only ubuntu [04:35] OK. I read it as for both. [04:35] i'm 90% sure that it is only ubuntu, although it will probably be expected for kubuntu in jaunty+1 [04:36] ScottK: there aren't resources to do it for kubuntu. we don't have our developers yet, remember [04:36] Right. For once I'm glad we're left out. [04:37] Also, I've reverted bad uploads before. [04:37] iirc, I thought one was getting offered a spot with the KDE side of Canonical while we were at UDS...JR said quite a few people applied too, which I was kind of fearing wouldn't happen [04:37] ScottK: bad uploads directed by sabdfl? [04:37] I even got a UDS session in my honor. [04:37] seele: Sure. He's not perfect. [04:38] nixternal: i still don't think he would start right away. david was saying there would be too much catch up with feature freeze so close, and then nothing to do [04:38] right [04:39] is david the desktop track guy? [04:39] I can't remember [04:39] We have a process for specs and such and if someone ignores it and uploads, then it's fair game no matter who told them to do it. [04:39] nixternal: desktop experience. rick is the desktop team [04:39] ahh rich [04:39] rick spencer was in our meetings right? [04:39] he was doing the gobby stuff [04:40] julian is the use experience lead.. or whatever the thought bubble design group is called [04:40] * ScottK pretty much writes the whole thing off to why I like KDE and not Gnome anyway. [04:40] and running the camera and keeping us on track :) [04:40] yes, that was rick, david is the french guy.. he was in a lot of sessions too but he wasn't leading them [04:40] no kidding. he must be the most effective project manager/meeting manager i've ever met [04:41] * ScottK ponders the changelog entry. [04:41] * Revery bad patch that broke notifications. [04:41] Rervery/Revert [04:42] * Rereverted notifications patch. Works as coded. Coded as intended [04:42] * seele giggles. She's seen a repatch note like that before.. [04:43] Yeah. [04:43] lol [04:43] Well I think Canonical has a lot of work to do with KDE upstream on the entire question. [04:44] Even if I liked the idea, I'm not sure we should maintain it as a Kubuntu patch without some upstream support to integrate it at some point. [04:44] and they are working with upstream for the dbus part. the actual default configuration is left to be seen [04:45] if notifications matter enough to canonical, i dont think we'll have a choice in the end [04:45] it's not like ubuntu has a choice. theyre getting it. [04:45] Right, but Ubuntu is primarily developed by Canonical. [04:46] right, and canonical is soon to be supporting more kde development which will be expected to go in to kubuntu [04:46] Although Canonical certainly supports Kubuntu development, I think it's primarily a community effort. [04:46] My immediate reaction is that they are welcome to expect that. [04:46] If it's any good, I'm sure it will. [04:46] sure.. but at some point canonical could invest so much in to kubuntu that they get executive power over it [04:46] and it is a community project second [04:47] who knows if that will happen, but it is a possibility [04:47] Sure. When that happens, it happens. [04:47] don't be surprised if it happens in jaunty+1 [04:49] Once they are primarily pulling the train, then it's reasonable they get to drive. [04:53] not much driving on one way tracks :) [04:55] I am so glad you are going to be getting the obama bs now ScottK and seele [04:55] he has messed up chicago with his security details for to long..and being employed and working in the city, I am so happy to see him go! [04:56] no more sitting on the train for 45 minues just so he can pass under a bridge in rush hour traffic [04:56] Heh. DC is pretty used to it. [04:56] not obama style they aren't [04:56] remember his security detail is twice the size of any other former president [04:57] it will certainly be tighter than normal [04:57] but seriously, this is DC [04:57] we expect it [04:57] we get foreign nationals with more security than bush [04:57] did you see where they shut down the metra in dc today because he was coming in? [04:57] we laughed here in chicago [04:57] the inaguration is going to be insane [04:58] i plan on stocking up on milk and bread before the weekend and hiding until it's all over [04:58] hahahahahaha [04:59] i dont want to be anywhere near tourists [04:59] the cherry blossom festival and the summer are bad enough [04:59] and we're getting all of them ON THE SAME DAY [05:00] i feel bad for anyone who has to go to work that day. everyone i know is off though [05:00] I actually enjoy the cherry blossom festival..the blossoms are beautiful [05:00] the city is going to be in a state of emergency, there will be just too many people [05:00] oh i do too [05:00] my grandmother had one in her yard when I was growing up, so I have always liked them [05:00] what i hate are the fucking tourists who dont know how to get on and off the train [05:00] I tried to keep one, but it kicked the bucket on me :( [05:00] hahaha [05:01] i'm so glad i dont work in town anymore [05:01] shit, in chicago, if you don't know how to get off a train, they will show you [05:01] I mean shove you :) [05:01] you have all the suits running effecient metro traffic [05:01] then all these fat old people in shorts and hats not letting the people OUT of the train before they get in [05:01] seriously, how do you think we're going to make room for you if you dont let us OFF THE TRAIN [05:02] and STAND RIGHT WALK LEFT [05:02] dont stand in a group on a really fucking long escalator and make someone ten minutes late because they had to ride the entire way up [05:03] ya, I see that every morning getting on the train...and I talk trash to the people doing it too...let them know I think they are stupid [05:03] AND USE THE CROSSWALKS [05:03] The main thing I remember about the train in Chicago is asking directions. [05:03] I know it isn't nice, btu you have to [05:03] asking directions? [05:03] the train only goes in one direction :p [05:03] jesus fucking christ.. DC is a CITY. we WALK all over the place. if you don't want hit by a FUCKING car. USE THE CROSSWALK [05:03] I was told, "That way is South. Don't go south. If you go south, you won't come back." [05:04] Technically this was the El. [05:04] i dont mind giving directions.. it keeps people going in the right direction instead of stopping in the middle of a swarm of people and trying to paddle upstream [05:04] nixternal: you've been on the metro during rush hour, you know how metro center and gallery place operate [05:04] if you get swept up in the wrong crowd going in the wrong direction, you aint getting nowhere [05:04] hahaha, so true [05:05] the same thing with union station if you don't kow your way out of the tunnels [05:05] like i said. milk. bread. locked doors. [05:05] rofl [05:34] actually, i experienced a worse one a couple nights ago during the caps game [05:35] gal pl, metro center, even mt vernon sq/7th st conv center were jammed [05:35] heh, I just finished reading through the comments on sabdfl's post about the notification stuff...it seems the old osx users like the idea, whereas everyone else doesn't [05:36] and yeah, inauguration weekend is going to be even worse. i can't believe metro is pulling its "don't stay open 24 hours" mess [05:36] I take it growl is an osx thing? [05:36] also, someone posted mumbles which *looks* nice [05:36] crimsun: chicago has been doing the "you have to close at 9pm" thing here, so get ready for it! [05:37] well, there's rumor of bars staying open til 4 or 5 am that week [05:37] which is funny, considering all of the security that has been in the loop, the crime down there has risen [06:31] hmm. it's certainly interesting to see how opensuse does kde4. === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [10:15] hi and happy new year everyone :) [10:16] Riddell: finally moved to the appartment ;) but still no internet at home for about 10 days [10:31] hey Tonio_! [10:36] Tonio_: heya, when do you plan to import kpackagekit into jaunty? [10:36] would be good to have it on the CD for next release [10:45] apachelogger: soon :) as soon as I have internet at home [10:45] oh kay ^_^ [10:47] Nightrose: is lfranchi worth 8 sloc? [10:47] probably yes [10:47] why? [10:51] Nightrose: multiple tars [10:51] but actually it is more than 8 [10:51] :) [10:51] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [10:51] unless you want to rename the tars yourself [10:51] then it would be 8 lines [10:51] *nod* [10:52] * Nightrose goes back to some wii fit [10:52] lol [10:53] I am working my arse off and you are doing casual gaming :P [11:04] hey this is also working your ass off... [11:04] in the true meaning of the words [11:04] :P [11:39] Nightrose: stop lying to yourself :) [11:41] pfft [12:23] Nightrose: that release stuff is non-trivial [12:23] :/ [12:24] it probably makes most sense to hack around it [12:24] add a new argument to the script [12:24] k [12:25] that requires you to run the script twice to get 2 tarballs, but hax0ring this bares a high possability of bugs [12:25] alright [13:46] JontheEchidna: is bug 296666 caused by that xrendr patch? [13:46] Launchpad bug 296666 in kdebase "Xorg log keeps growing during live session" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296666 [13:46] yus, there's a master bug in workspace that that is duplicate of [13:47] *that it is duplicate of [13:47] please duplicate :P [13:47] and comment on the 3gib kdm.log bug [13:47] * apachelogger needs to take the dog for a walk before it gets dark [13:47] AFK [14:46] ScottK-laptop: Ping. [15:09] Hi guys! Is there any other page like this one https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity which contains features implemented in Ubuntu and not yet implemented in Kubuntu? Because I think this list should be much bigger... :( [15:15] Also is there any news about new Notifications represented an USD? As I understand Canonical has hired some developers to implement this functionality both for Ubuntu and Kubuntu. [15:15] etretyak: There is also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis [15:15] etretyak: i know there has not been a KDE hire yet and there is some progress being made not quite sure how much is getting done [15:15] there might be a mailing list or something for the DX team to discuss on but dont know for sure [15:20] ScottK: so do we need to update KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis? For example knetworkmanager doesn't have VPN pptp configuration. And it is fully works in Ubuntu. [15:20] jjesse-dell9: were you able to setup VPN connection in Kubuntu? i've read your blog :) [15:20] etretyak: pptp VPN works fine in Ubuntu with network manager? i havent gotten mine to work yet :( [15:20] technically the gap analysis is Kubuntu Intrepid to Kubuntu Jaunty, not Kubuntu to Ubuntu. [15:21] i get a message from netowk manager and no logs yet [15:21] practically it is a list of anything we might need in Jaunty [15:21] seele: It's a bit of both (e.g. Guest Session). [15:22] right.. the practically part. we didn't go through a list of haves and have nots between kubuntu and ubuntu during the session [15:25] ScottK-laptop: Ping [15:25] ScottK-laptop: Ping again [15:26] What about DX team? Are they responsible to patch all KDE specific apps to be able to handle new Notifications? [15:26] And what about DesktopTeam? Are they working only on Ubuntu improvements? [15:27] etretyak: i think there are still a lot of un answered questions a lot of people still have [15:28] etretyak: Desktop Team == Ubuntu Desktop (e.g. Gnome). [15:30] ScottK: i see. so we still follow our own way.. ;) [15:31] apachelogger, ScottK, Riddell: could somebody review/sponsor the debdiff for bug 211839? [15:31] Launchpad bug 211839 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine-kde4 doesn't use Oxygen backwards/forwards buttons with Firefox 3" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211839 [15:32] etretyak: current information suggest that DX team will try to reach consesus with gnome and kde to get stuff implemented upstream ... if that is not possible DX team will maintain patches [15:33] so there isn't much change for us, just that eventually there should be a couple of monster patches appearing [15:34] lol [15:34] ScottK-laptop: Ping [15:35] ScottK-laptop: Ping again [15:35] ScottK-laptop: Ping again [15:37] Testing done. Sorry for the noise. [15:46] JontheEchidna: no commits in upstream svn since 20080816? [15:47] dunno, but it's been at r145 for forever. If anything there may have been a few translation updates [15:48] * JontheEchidna thinks it's better to use svn number in the version string [15:48] ok [15:48] they both have advantages [15:48] using the date you know how hold it is without consulting upstream svn [15:49] Easier to find the date of the svn number than the svn number that corresponds to that date, imo [15:49] as long as there's a web-browsable svn repo :P [15:52] JontheEchidna: usually svn number wouldn't matter [15:52] usually project have at least one commit in 6 months ;-) [15:53] hehe [15:57] I noticed we have no sessions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep :o [15:57] Anyone volunteer to do one? [15:58] hm [15:58] I did want to talk about something [15:58] JontheEchidna: what was it? [15:58] ? [15:58] JontheEchidna: devweek [15:58] rapid package deployment using ruby? [15:58] I think there was something else as well [15:59] pbuild hookers? [15:59] "Never have to relibtoolize again by using Cmake"? [15:59] apachelogger: something like that [15:59] * ScottK recalls jpds is a big fan of relibtoolize. [16:00]