[00:00] <JohnFlux> johannes_: go to Desktop
[00:00] <JohnFlux> Desktop effects
[00:00] <JohnFlux> advanced
[00:00] <JohnFlux> then change composition type
[00:00] <JohnFlux> johannes_: randr has nothing to do with it
[00:01] <JohnFlux> randr is for changing rotation and screen resolution
[00:01] <EagleScreen> why dkms is not installed by default in Ubuntu Desktop Edition?
[00:03] <johannes_> JohnFlux: prob still, and tried xrender now
[00:03] <JohnFlux> johannes_: you still get the problem with xrender?
[00:03] <JohnFlux> instead of opengl?
[00:04] <johannes_> JohnFlux: yes
[00:04] <JohnFlux> johannes_: oh wait - do you have an ATI card?
[00:04] <johannes_> e.g. clicking at the upper border, white, typing here, shady againaand flickering
[00:04] <farhan> hello i need help with my xubuntu can please neone help me
[00:05] <zerlord> so
[00:05] <JohnFlux> johannes_: do you have focus follows click?
[00:05] <johannes_> JohnFlux: yes, but i tried all options, didnt help
[00:06] <JohnFlux> johannes_: Window Behavior -> Click to Focus
[00:06] <farhan> can neone help please
[00:06] <JohnFlux> johannes_: do you have the policy of Click To Focus
[00:06] <JohnFlux> farhan: how can anyone help you?
[00:06] <JohnFlux> farhan: you haven't asked a question
[00:06] <JohnFlux> farhan: we aren't psychic
[00:07] <farhan> actually i have installed Xubuntu on my pc and i want to get Gnome desktop i m looking in synaptic but unable to find there
[00:07] <johannes_> JohnFlux: yes
[00:07] <johannes_> JohnFlux: but that behaviour doessnt affct the prob, already tried all options
[00:07] <genii> farhan: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:08] <farhan> ok
[00:08] <JohnFlux> johannes_: ATI card?
[00:08] <farhan> this way i can install ubuntu desktop leme save thanks 1 more to go
[00:08] <johannes_> JohnFlux: Graphics Adapter: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) X3100
[00:09] <k4> hey ! i just installed 9.04 :) and it works !!!
[00:09] <JohnFlux> johannes_: hmm, strange.  dunno sorry
[00:09] <JohnFlux> johannes_: maybe the people in #kwin can help at some point
[00:09] <k4> whats the problem ?
[00:10] <johannes_> JohnFlux: nobody there right now, but ill keep tryin it..which option prevents any window from getting shady, if any?
[00:10] <farhan> Second question is i am trying to install Ubuntu on my other machine and i get this error after installation is complete and every thing "Gave up waiting for root device"
[00:10] <johannes_> k4: hi,  my inital problem was flickering screen and changing focus every second when typing
[00:10] <marek> smssend: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:10] <marek> what can i do with it/
[00:11] <carlos_> plz i need help with amsn and cam
[00:11] <k4> johannes_: ok something with your graphics driver
[00:11] <johannes_> JohnFlux: thanks anyway!
[00:11] <johannes_> k4: yep, i agree
[00:12] <johannes_> k4: Graphics Adapter: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) X3100
[00:12] <k4> but i think for the intel card's is only one driver available
[00:13] <k4> i got a different intel graphics card - just checked
[00:13] <farhan> Second question is i am trying to install Ubuntu on my other machine and i get this error after installation is complete and every thing "Gave up waiting for root device"
[00:13] <k4> johannes_:  try to find out the package name
[00:13] <farhan> and how can i use yahoo messenger with cam and vc on ubuntu
[00:14] <k4> johannes_: then go to packages.ubuntu.com and check your upgrade possibilities
[00:14] <k4> farhan: it's work's out of the box with my 2 computer's
[00:14] <johannes_> k4: sorry, which package?
[00:14] <k4> farhan: are you seeing any video from your cam ?
[00:15] <k4> johannes_: where the driver resides in
[00:15] <johannes_> should i search for the driver in adept?
[00:15] <farhan> K4 i dont know which yahoo software to download
[00:16] <k4> farhan: try pidgin, but you just need to double-click "install new software"
[00:16] <k4> johannes_: just checked my netbook , and it's comlicated
[00:17] <k4> johannes_:  there are too many intel component's in there
[00:18] <johannes_> k4: packages .ubuntu gives me nothing
[00:19] <k4> johann
[00:19] <k4> johannes_: the package name is : yserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:19] <k4> xserver
[00:19] <k4> not y:)
[00:21] <madgeek007> how do i configure kwin?
[00:21] <HappySmileMan> madgeek007: You mean the effects it provides or just it's basic appearance
[00:21] <madgeek007> the effects
[00:22] <HappySmileMan> Open up system settings, go to "Desktop" and from there you can enable or disable them
[00:22] <HappySmileMan> And configure them
[00:23] <jennifer> hey
[00:23] <madgeek007> how did i not notice that..thanks
[00:23] <jennifer> i have a question; when trying to access this one website; it doesnt load but i can get onto other sites just fine
[00:24] <genii> jennifer: Maybe the site is down ... or, it uses something unsupported in linux, like Shockwave
[00:24] <jennifer> i called my internet service provider and they said that there wasnt any problems on their end
[00:24] <jennifer> the thing is i am able to get on that site all the time
[00:25] <jennifer> and for about 5 mins i was able to use the Konuer web browser to acess the site unti i attempted to log on and then it took forever to load
[00:26] <jennifer> the site isnt down b/c my other friends are able to get onto it just fine
[00:31] <jennifer> i am tired of freakin Linux...its one thing after the freakin other
[00:31] <uga> jennifer: this has nothing to do with linux
[00:31] <uga> but feel free, install windows, and have your life easier
[00:32] <johannes_> k4: would i need to change my sources.lst?
[00:32] <jennifer> i had windows and my comp crashed twice
[00:32] <jennifer> i am just frustrated atm
[00:32] <uga> jennifer: it has to do with how networking works
[00:32] <uga> there's many sites that can block you or your sysadmins' proxy servers at any moment
[00:32] <uga> no matter what OS you run
[00:33] <uga> and from all you said, it looks like the problem is related to packet routing
[00:33] <jennifer> okay i installed it now how do i run in
[00:33] <jennifer> it*
[00:33] <uga> jennifer: did you ever run konsole?
[00:33] <uga> go to the menu, and search konsole, it should be there
[00:34] <uga> you'll see a black screen
[00:34] <uga> and you type there "traceroute www.google.com"
[00:34] <uga> but instead of www.google.com you put the site you're trying to debug
[00:34] <uga> you'll see that it takes some time, but it will show you the path that packets are following, from one router to another
[00:35] <uga> at some point, it will stop and not continue
[00:35] <elliott> is there any way to install firefox in intrepid without installing the entire gnome library?
[00:35] <jennifer> its not doing anything
[00:35] <jennifer> i typed it in an nadda
[00:35] <elliott> ean easy way i should say
[00:35] <uga> jennifer:
[00:35] <uga> traceroute to www.google.com (74.125.39.104), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[00:35] <uga>  1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  2.611 ms  2.979 ms  3.166 ms
[00:35] <uga>  2  87.217.106.212.static.jazztel.es (212.106.217.87)  53.923 ms  55.505 ms  57.191 ms
[00:35] <uga> jennifer: you don't see anything like that?
[00:36] <jennifer> nope
[00:36] <uga> you are running it in a terminal, right?
[00:36] <uga> in one of those "black windows"
[00:36] <jennifer> Konsole
[00:36] <uga> yes
[00:36] <jennifer> yes
[00:36] <uga> and what does it say, nothing?
[00:36] <jennifer> nothing
[00:36] <jennifer> all it gives me is >
[00:37] <uga> eh?
[00:37] <elliott> don't put a slash or backslash after the command
[00:37] <uga> ouch
[00:37] <jennifer> i typed traceroute http://fringe-forum.com
[00:37] <uga> jennifer: without http
[00:37] <elliott> get rid of the http:// part
[00:37] <uga> just fringe-forum.com
[00:38] <jennifer> still nothing
[00:38] <elliott> what gets printed out now?
[00:39] <axiom> trying to install the lates kde beta from here http://www.kubuntu.org/node/58 but skipped the step about uninstalling koffice-data-kde4.  Now I am stuck in an endless loop that apt-get -f install will not fix.  How do I get out?
[00:40] <jennifer> i dont have sudo apt
[00:40] <uga> jennifer: forget sudo apt-get etc
[00:40] <uga> just type      traceroute fringe-forum.com
[00:40] <uga> sudo apt-get thing is for installing traceroute, and you already did, through adept manager, you said
[00:40] <jennifer> The program 'traceroute' can be found in the following packages:
[00:40] <jennifer>  * traceroute-nanog
[00:40] <jennifer>  * traceroute
[00:40] <jennifer> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[00:40] <jennifer> bash: traceroute: command not found
[00:40] <jennifer> thats what it gives me
[00:40] <uga> ah
[00:41] <genii> uga: tracepath
[00:41] <johannes_> k4: I TRIED UPgrade in synaptic from 10 to 10.1 , didnt help, there is a jaunty version but how do i get it installed?
[00:41] <uga> genii: I have traceroute myself, and she has too, according to the output
[00:41] <dookieface> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu into my toshiba laptop.
[00:41] <uga> genii: what's tracepath? some improvements over traceroute?
[00:41] <genii> johannes_: Ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[00:42] <uga> jennifer: try     sudo apt-get install traceroute
[00:42] <uga> it seems you didnt' install it
[00:42] <uga> jennifer: it will ask you for the root password when doing so
[00:42] <genii> uga: Seems to be the same. Just different name in Ubuntu for some reason
[00:42] <uga> genii: not for me. I do have traceroute
[00:42] <uga> in intrepid
[00:43] <uga> nothing called tracepath
[00:43] <uga> there's iputils-tracepath as package
[00:43] <jennifer> i did that and the pass i gave it was wrong
[00:43] <uga> ouch
[00:44] <jennifer> i only have one password i use for Linux
[00:44] <jennifer> that one according to the freakin screen isnt the one
[00:44] <uga> did you check caps lock etc?
[00:44] <jennifer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:44] <jennifer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:44] <uga> ah, no, that's not incorrect password =)
[00:44] <uga> jennifer: close adept manager
[00:45] <uga> and try again
[00:45] <uga> both applications are trying to access the program installation database
[00:45] <uga> and adept had locked it
[00:46] <elliott> also, i had kubuntu intrepid crash randomly while downloading updates earlier,  how would i go about finding the cause?
[00:47] <uga> elliott: what crashed, adept?
[00:47] <uga> or the whole desktop
[00:47] <elliott> no, the entire computer shut off
[00:47] <uga> ugh
[00:47] <uga> that's hard to debug
[00:47] <elliott> exactly, i don't even know where to start
[00:48] <uga> were you using a gfx application to update?
[00:48] <elliott> yeah, adept manager
[00:48] <jennifer> i tried and got it running but when i ran the traceroute it gave me No buffer space avaliable
[00:48] <uga> elliott: you could try updating from command line (apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade). At least that would tell you if it's related to using xorg/gfx card drivers...
[00:49] <elliott> that's what i'm doing now
[00:49] <elliott> i don't even know if it's related to adept manager, i just know that was the only thing going on
[00:49] <elliott> anso, after the crash, the K menu button in the lower left of the screen disappeared
[00:50] <elliott> i had to create a widget of one on the desktop
[00:50] <uga> jennifer: wow, does it to the same for other sites?
[00:50] <uga> check google for example
[00:50] <jennifer> yep
[00:50] <jennifer> i tried yahoo..same damn message
[00:50] <elliott> also, i can't run some executables
[00:51] <elliott> i'm not having a good time with intrepid so far
[00:51] <genii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/traceroute/+bug/290145
[00:51] <uga> jennifer: what does "ping www.google.com" do?
[00:51] <uga> does it work?
[00:51] <jennifer> yeah
[00:52] <uga> now that's strange. ping and traceroute do very similar stuff
[00:52] <uga> jennifer: does pinging to that site work too?
[00:52] <uga> the one you are having issues with
[00:52] <uga> 64 bytes from fx-in-f103.google.com (74.125.39.103): icmp_seq=5 ttl=251 time=78.7 ms
[00:52] <uga> it should output something like that
[00:52] <uga> with a timne
[00:52] <uga> time
[00:53] <jennifer> what does ping do
[00:53] <uga> ping sends a packet to the remote site, and asks the site to respond to you
[00:53] <uga> your computer sends "foo",a nd the remote site responds "foo" back
[00:53] <uga> it's an echo request
[00:53] <uga> if you see a time, it means you have connectivity to that site, and the response time is that one (in milliseconds)
[00:54] <uga> if you get a timeout, it means packets are not reaching to that site
[00:54] <jennifer> yeah
[00:54] <jennifer> well its still going
[00:54] <uga> PING fringe-forum.com (67.222.1.169) 56(84) bytes of data.
[00:54] <uga> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=1 ttl=251 time=193 ms
[00:54] <uga> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=2 ttl=251 time=192 ms
[00:54] <uga> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=3 ttl=251 time=193 ms
[00:54] <uga> jennifer: you get something like that?
[00:54] <uga> what's the response time for you?
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=99 ttl=48 time=306 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=100 ttl=48 time=276 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=101 ttl=48 time=301 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=102 ttl=48 time=268 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=103 ttl=48 time=295 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=104 ttl=48 time=305 ms
[00:55] <jennifer> 64 bytes from host.bellyhost.com (67.222.1.169): icmp_seq=105 ttl=48 time=306 ms
[00:55] <uga> that sounds good, not too long timeout
[00:55] <uga> jennifer: stop pasting, else you'll get kicked for flooding ;)
[00:55] <jennifer> sorry
[00:56] <uga> jennifer: ok, now we'll check if hte site works or not for you. I hope you have telnet installed
[00:56] <jennifer> whats telnet?
[00:56] <srka> hello
[00:56] <uga> jennifer: another network program from command line. We will try doing what the browser does, but manually
[00:57] <uga> jennifer: if you type   telnet fringe-forum.com 80
[00:57] <uga> you'll see:
[00:57] <uga> Trying 67.222.1.169...
[00:57] <uga> Connected to fringe-forum.com.
[00:57] <uga> Escape character is '^]'.
[00:57] <elliott> also, konsole doesn't color anything in commands like ls
[00:57] <uga> jennifer: once it shows connected, you can type (exactly, no add-on spaces):
[00:57] <elliott> i'm just having problems left and right
[00:57] <uga> jennifer: GET HTTP/1.0
[00:57] <uga> jennifer: and press return twice
[00:58] <jennifer> how do i get telnet?
[00:58] <login_> algum brasileiro ai?
[00:58] <uga> jennifer: ah, same thing  as before:    sudo apt-get install telnet
[00:58] <jennifer> brb
[00:59] <genii> login_: /join #ubuntu-br
[00:59] <uga> !br
[00:59] <uga> uhm... maybe better
[00:59] <uga> !br login_
[00:59] <uga> I thought that worked in the past
[00:59] <jennifer> hey i got the site back up
[01:00] <uga> heh
[01:00] <jennifer> or u did lol either way thank you
[01:00] <HappySmileMan> !br
[01:00] <uga> jennifer: sounds like you are having temporary connectivity issues
[01:00] <uga> jennifer: next time that fails, try ping again
[01:01] <uga> and you will possibly get no response
[01:01] <uga> jennifer: and when you call the service providers tell them "there's no route to the remote host. You have issues on OSI level 3"
[01:01] <uga> they'll pass you through the real technicians on the next level ;)
[01:01] <jennifer> well i have Sprint
[01:02] <jennifer> lol
[01:02] <uga> first level "technicians" just follow instructions from a piece of paper
[01:02] <uga> and instructions on fixing are usually "open internet explorer"
[01:02] <jennifer> okay i can get on the site but i still cant login
[01:03] <uga> jennifer: that might be a different issue. Are you using firefox or konqueror?
[01:03] <jennifer> firefox
[01:03] <jennifer> and i had the same issue when i used konqueror
[01:03] <uga> unless the site is using some strange authentication system it shoudl work =/
[01:04] <jennifer> well before i've never had any issues with that site
[01:04] <uga> jennifer: watch out btw, some sites (my own does), block you off if you attempt logging in several times and fail
[01:04] <jennifer> the site i use doesnt do that
[01:05] <uga> if I were you, I'd try from a differnt locatoin
[01:05] <uga> jennifer: does it use https:// for authentication?
[01:05] <jennifer> i already did..i was on a friends comp and i got on the site just fine
[01:05] <jennifer> nope, just http://
[01:05] <uga> your friend used firefox?
[01:05] <uga> or IE?
[01:06] <jennifer> firefox
[01:06] <uga> then I really cannot understand =(
[01:06] <jennifer> and now konquer isnt loading the site
[01:06] <uga> that's not connectivity issue
[01:07] <jennifer> i havent been banned from the site or anyhing and i can get onto other sites just fine
[01:07] <uga> jennifer: I don't mean _you_ have been banned from the site
[01:07] <uga> your PC can be banned from the site temporarily if you fail logging in several times
[01:08] <uga> and then you cannot connect to the website
[01:08] <uga> but now you should be able to (in theory) log in
[01:08] <uga> unfortuantely I don't have an account there for testing
[01:08] <uga> and bugmenot doesn't give me any passwords for it
[01:09] <jennifer> exactly and i havent had any failed login attempts. I typed in the password and it said thanks for logging in
[01:09] <jennifer> the browser usally automaticly redirects me to the main page
[01:10] <uga> [02:02:49] <jennifer> okay i can get on the site but i still cant login
[01:10] <uga> then what does "cannot login" mean
[01:10] <uga> it doesn't show you the correct page?
[01:10] <uga> if so, then it's a problem with the browser (firefox)
[01:27] <wesley> desktop spere how do you control that ?
[01:28] <popc0rn> Kubuntu id weird.. lol
[01:28] <popc0rn> is*
[01:29] <wesley> why ?
[01:30] <popc0rn> KDE sucks
[01:31] <genii> There's always gnome.
[01:31] <popc0rn> i know :P
[01:31] <popc0rn> brb swapping OS
[01:32] <balboa02> Sometimes I get a "cannot open display" error when trying to open GUI programs from the terminal, if I open a new terminal and try the command again it will work for a little bit and then start throwing that error again. Has this happened to anyone?
[01:37] <yafre> hola
[01:37] <yafre> hi
[01:52] <mike_> Hi, I just installed ubuntu yesterday on my rig, and I'm having a bit of a problem running Steam games... Anyone lend a helping hand, please?
[01:57] <SiVA_> hey
[01:58] <SiVA_> on my other laptop, thats not on the network, when I try to sudo apt-get install wireless-tools it tells me "package has no installation candidate"
[01:58] <Armagguedes> hey
[01:58] <SiVA_> I just installed from the CD
[01:58] <SiVA_> 8.10
[01:59] <family> I'm trying to use a floppy in KDE3, but it says I must specify a filesystem type when I try to mount it (yes, mounting from a terminal works, but this is for my mom)
[01:59] <Armagguedes> using a livecd how can i access my actual disk partitions, instead of the livecd partitions?
[02:00] <Armagguedes> (as in, if i go to dolphin/konqueror it only shows /home/ubuntu instead of /home/myusername)
[02:00] <family> Armagguedes: you have to mount them.. try "sudo mount -a" in a terminal
[02:00] <ejat> my kopete always disconnected from Yahoo
[02:00] <SiVA_> it's almost like apt-get doesn't know to read the packages from the CD
[02:00] <ejat> did the bugs fix ?
[02:03] <family> I'm trying to mount a floppy from KDE 3, but it says  I must specify a filesystem type. If I go to the drive's properties,  all those options are grayed out, even as root.. any ideas?
[02:06] <wesley> you said that already
[02:07] <mister-tea> !floppy
[02:07] <family> wesley: well, no one answered, so I thought I'd say it again since more people arrived ;)
[02:09] <family> mister-tea: that doesn't help.. still says no filesystem specified :-(
[02:09] <condon> Does anyone know what might keep cheese or camorama from capturing the stream from a webcam?
[02:11] <Armagguedes> how can i update from 8.10 to jaunty alpha2?
[02:13] <EagleScreen> Armagguedes yes you can
[02:13] <EagleScreen> but an alpha2 is not recommended for daily use
[02:13] <Armagguedes> it's alright
[02:14] <Armagguedes> it'll work better than 8.10
[02:14] <EagleScreen> why?
[02:14] <EagleScreen> is it by KDE 4.2?
[02:14] <Armagguedes> i can't use nvidias drivers for starters
[02:14] <Armagguedes> yes, kde4.2 as well
[02:15] <EagleScreen> and is nvidias drivers for starters working on Jaunty Alpha2?
[02:15] <Armagguedes> apparently
[02:16] <EagleScreen> you can download a Live CD to run Jaunty without installing it in you disk, and do all tests you want with drivers
[02:16] <EagleScreen> you also can install KDE 4.2 beta2 in Intrepid
[02:17] <Armagguedes> i would install it straight from the livecd, but i need to do some manual partitioning (which is broken in Kubuntu 9.04a2) and access the old partitions before that to movedata over
[02:18] <EagleScreen> if you want, you can do a network upgrade
[02:18] <Armagguedes> how
[02:19] <EagleScreen> there is instructions in Ubuntu/Kubuntu web sites
[02:19] <EagleScreen> let me see..
[02:19] <Armagguedes> yeah i've looked but can't find any
[02:22] <EagleScreen> wait a momment..
[02:23] <wesley> since when is there from kubuntu a daily live ?
[02:23] <Armagguedes> daily live?
[02:23] <Armagguedes> i'm talking about the livecd
[02:24] <EagleScreen> you can download daily live CDs builts from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <EagleScreen> but it is possible that it still has the manual partitioning broken
[02:25] <EagleScreen> it is possible that it has anything broken (including installer)
[02:25] <Armagguedes> it only has alternate cds anyway
[02:28] <EagleScreen> i cannot find the Ubuntu specific tool to upgrade to jaunty
[02:28] <condon> You're probably better off Eagle
[02:28] <condon> Jaunty's a pain
[02:28] <EagleScreen> yes i know
[02:29] <EagleScreen> but someone here wants to upgrade to jaunty
[02:29] <wesley> Lol
[02:29] <wesley> kde4.2 isnt even label stable
[02:29] <EagleScreen> you always can use Debian style to upgrade to Jaunty
[02:29] <EagleScreen> by using aptitude
[02:31] <Armagguedes> does apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu still work
[02:32] <Armagguedes> does it still install the equivalent to the kubuntu cd?
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> Armagguedes: yes, that will install everything that is on the kubuntu cd
[02:32] <Armagguedes> cool
[02:33] <Armagguedes> lastly, where is the Kmenu config file?
[02:33] <Armagguedes> i need to look at the list of apps i had installed
[02:33] <Armagguedes> JontheEchidna, andthen can i safely purge ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:33] <EagleScreen> Armagguedes you could install KDE 4.2 along you 8.10 installation
[02:34] <Armagguedes> yes you told me
[02:34] <Armagguedes> i need the new nvidia drivers in alpha2 i told you
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> Armagguedes: that would only remove the metapackage
[02:34] <EagleScreen> I think you are thinkng about install Ubuntu Jaunty and later install kuubntu-desktop package to install Kuubntu Jaunty
[02:35] <EagleScreen> that is possible, but you will keep many Gnome stuff
[02:36] <EagleScreen> if I were you and I wish to upgrade to Kubuntu Jaunty I would use aptitude package manager to do it
[02:36] <xxploit> is there a descent qt gnutella clinet, havent really used kde much so trying to find some descent apps for things
[02:36] <xxploit> client*
[02:36] <EagleScreen> apollon is a KDE3 client
[02:36] <xxploit> hasnt development stoped years ago?
[02:36] <EagleScreen> i dont know, may be..
[02:39] <EagleScreen> Armagguedes you can also doenload the Alternate Jaunty CD and run a cdromupgrade
[02:49] <mike_> Hi, Can someone help me with a problem i'm having on ubuntu?
[02:49] <mike_> ive been told this is the place to be
[02:49] <HappySmileMan> #ubuntu
[02:50] <HappySmileMan> Unless it's Kubuntu you're using
[02:51] <jimp_> new to ubuntu, although like it very much so far, cannot get my intel board with intel GMA 3100 Daul Independent display to higher graphics mode. I am not good with the terminal window and don't see anything out for drivers, any thoughts on this?
[03:06] <mister-tea> jimp_:  have a look here this might help you http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[03:06] <szrhawaii> how do i turn off the kubuntu bootsplash the one that says kubuntu in blue letters with the blue loading bar at the beginning of the startup process
[03:07] <szrhawaii> i turned everything else off
[03:08] <szrhawaii> i rather look at the words loading then that kubuntu splash screen
[03:09] <szrhawaii> so anyone know where i go to shut it down in 8.10
[03:09] <condon> can always remove kdm - I THINK after a rooboot it will warn you then default to gdm
[03:10] <szrhawaii> nah the kdm has the standard things that are easy to take off for some reason this kubuntu splash screen isnt part of it
[03:10] <szrhawaii> cause you got the grub splash then that kubuntu splash then the kdm then the kdm splash
[03:10] <szrhawaii> i turned off the kdm stuff already
[03:11] <szrhawaii> but for some reason inbetween the grub and the kdm theres a kubuntu splash screen
[03:11] <szrhawaii> is there a location in the settings that i can remove it from
[03:11] <condon> Gotcha, that I know nothing about
[03:11] <condon> I know somewhere you can change it
[03:12] <condon> but I'm not entirely sure where in 8.10...or previous versions for that matter, haven't played with it that much.
[03:12] <szrhawaii> i know how to get rid of it in kde 3.5 but not this one
[03:12] <szrhawaii> i had t gone before
[03:13] <szrhawaii> i forgot what i did to do it though
[03:13] <szrhawaii> i think i downloaded startupmanager alongside this one
[03:13] <szrhawaii> im gonna try that
[03:15] <EagleScreen> szrhawaii to turn off bootsplash you have to delete splash argument to kernel
[03:15] <szrhawaii> so does anyone have amarok 2 and know if its better or nicer than the first one
[03:15] <szrhawaii> how do i do that EagleScreen
[03:15] <EagleScreen> run a text editor as root
[03:16] <EagleScreen> for instance kdesudo kate
[03:16] <szrhawaii> yeah
[03:16] <EagleScreen> and open the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:16] <szrhawaii> should i just delete the file from root instead
[03:16] <EagleScreen> not
[03:16] <EagleScreen> you have not to delete any file
[03:17] <EagleScreen> you have to edit a file
[03:17] <szrhawaii> ok what part should i edit on it
[03:18] <EagleScreen> at the end of the file, you can reach the entries you have in the grub (boot loader) menu
[03:19] <EagleScreen> Ubuntu entries has a line as this:
[03:19] <EagleScreen> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-9-generic root=UUID=147df5e4-a638-46f3-896d-678be23aba92 ro quiet splash
[03:19] <EagleScreen> remove splash from the line
[03:20] <szrhawaii> what if i also have the 2.6.24 in there as well
[03:20] <szrhawaii> should i leave that one
[03:22] <EagleScreen> remove splash from any Linux entrie that you will use and you dont want to has the splash screen
[03:22] <szrhawaii> i dont want it at all i want the loading process instead with the words stating what its doing
[03:22] <EagleScreen> you also can have graphical boot with messages from shell, by removinf quiet option instead of splash (and keeping splash)
[03:23] <EagleScreen> if you delete splash you will have a full text boot
[03:24] <szrhawaii> thats what i want
[03:24] <EagleScreen> if you delete quiet (keeping splash) you will have graphical boot but with messages
[03:25] <szrhawaii> let me restart and check it to see if its all g
[03:25] <EagleScreen> if you delete quiet and also splash you will have a full text boot with more messages
[03:26] <Dr_Rip> hi
[03:26] <EagleScreen> !hello
[03:27] <Dr_Rip> there's anyone who can help me to conf kismet ? :P
[03:33] <szrhawaii> ok the usplash is gone
[03:33] <szrhawaii> now i have one more issue
[03:34] <szrhawaii> there is a white box in the top right hand corner of my screen when it goes through the usplash process
[03:34] <szrhawaii> it was doing it before and now its still there
[03:34] <szrhawaii> it also happens when i log out as well
[03:34] <szrhawaii> any ideas of how to troubleshoot that
[03:34] <EagleScreen> no idea
[03:35] <nazareno> tem algum brasileiro
[03:35] <EagleScreen> i have never seen that
[03:36] <EagleScreen> nazareno visit #ubuntu-br
[03:36] <szrhawaii> another problem im having is i am downloading vmware and for some reason i cant seem to find it after i downloaded it
[03:38] <szrhawaii> does anyone know where to find the ppa or repos for the vmware for kde 8.10
[03:38] <Armagguedes> how do i - using a live cd - actually access my data on the hardrive?
[03:38] <EagleScreen> szrhawaii you could install a fork of vmware from Debian repos
[03:38] <szrhawaii> do you know the place to go
[03:39] <szrhawaii> ill try launchpad
[03:39] <EagleScreen> or use "vmware-package" package fromUbuntu repo it build a .deb package from the officiel installer
[03:39] <szrhawaii> i did that but the icon for the workstation isnt appearing
[03:39] <szrhawaii> on my screen
[03:40] <szrhawaii> and i cant find it after i download it through terminal either
[03:40] <EagleScreen> try running it from a terminal or by pressing Alt F2
[03:40] <EagleScreen> are you sure you installed it right? did you install it in your perosnal folder?
[03:41] <szrhawaii> i did it through synaptics
[03:41] <falckon> hey, i used to use PDf printer in cups all the time, after updating to 8.10 it was gone so i found it and installed cups-pdf but i can't find where / if the pdf files are being created
[03:41] <Armagguedes> falckon: it used to be /home/user/PDF
[03:42] <falckon> yep, its not creating anything there
[03:42] <falckon> unless ... it needs certain privileges that wouldn't be default
[03:42] <EagleScreen> szrhawaii did you installed "vmware-package" and later..??
[03:42] <Armagguedes> try /dev/null then
[03:42] <Armagguedes> =)
[03:42] <szrhawaii> yep EagleScreen
[03:42] <EagleScreen> what did you do later??
[03:43] <szrhawaii> the open-vm-toolbox
[03:43] <falckon> well i assume cups printers either runs as your user or root so permissions wouldn't be a problem
[03:43] <szrhawaii> open-vm-toolbox open-vm-tools
[03:44] <EagleScreen> I think vmware is not Software Libre so it is not installable from Ubuntu repositories
[03:44] <EagleScreen> is as like as Googleearth
[03:45] <EagleScreen> "vmware-package" provides a script that download vmware from its official site, and build a Debian package (.deb) to you can install it easuly in Ubuntu
[03:45] <szrhawaii> yeah i just noticed it said uninstallable
[03:46] <szrhawaii> i got the deb source right now through launchpad
[03:46] <szrhawaii> but im not sure which one I should use
[03:46] <EagleScreen> let me see the source
[03:46] <szrhawaii> cause there is like three guys making debs
[03:47] <szrhawaii> this is one of them
[03:47] <szrhawaii> https://launchpad.net/~cschieli/+archive
[03:47] <szrhawaii> https://launchpad.net/~cschieli/+ppa-packages
[03:47] <falckon> n/m, i just found a forum which has the solution, it requires that you manually create the PDF folder now
[03:47] <szrhawaii> thats the other its the same guy
[03:49] <EagleScreen> szrhawaii what is your Ubuntu arch?
[03:49] <EagleScreen> i386 or amd64?
[03:49] <szrhawaii> i386
[03:52] <joe_> can someone please tell me how to update a video card in kubuntu???
[03:52] <Newbz> Hi all
[03:53] <EagleScreen> szrhawaii install from that ppa
[03:53] <szrhawaii> the second one
[03:54] <szrhawaii> https://launchpad.net/~cschieli/+ppa-packages this one
[03:54] <Newbz> I'm not that brilliant when it comes to linux but was wondering if there might be a simple fix to my problem.  I play EverQest through wine on Kubuntu 8.10 KDE4.  When I play the game my mouse pointer is moveing around in the game but also on the kde desktop at the same time.  Is there a way to give focus for mouse only to wine?
[03:54] <EagleScreen> i think they are the same
[03:54] <EagleScreen> you also can probe virtualbox
[03:55] <EagleScreen> Newbz may be
[03:56] <psilocylian> hello
[03:56] <EagleScreen> Newbz run winecfg
[03:56] <psilocylian> i have a kubuntu installation question
[03:56] <EagleScreen> and go to Graphics tab
[03:56] <szrhawaii> i have virtualbox already
[03:56] <EagleScreen> play with the options there
[03:57] <EagleScreen> psilocylian just ask
[03:57] <szrhawaii> i just want to see the difference between that and vmware
[03:57] <EagleScreen> use any of them in the PPas
[03:57] <szrhawaii> ill check it out
[03:58] <psilocylian> trying to install 8.10 desktop i386 and it hangs whenever it tries to read the disc, it seems
[03:58] <k4> psilocylian: did you burn the cd too fast ?
[03:59] <cDcm4rt1n5cDc> cool...
[03:59] <psilocylian> the disc appears to be fine, the iso has the correct checksum... when rebooting with the disc in the drive and you are presented with the kubuntu menu, choosing any of the options results in the system sitting there doing nothing. if you eject the disc at this point it will give a disc read error and reboot
[04:00] <Newbz> Do you have another computer to try booting it in?
[04:00] <psilocylian> nope, just the laptop i'm attempting to install on
[04:01] <k4> another medium ? like usbstick or flashcard from your photocam ?
[04:01] <EagleScreen> try to burn the CD again slower, or try to make a bootable Ubuntu usb drive
[04:01] <k4> psilocylian: also try some kernel options like "noacpi" in the menu @ start
[04:01] <Newbz> Can you open an TTY CTRL+ALT+F3 at splash screen?
[04:02] <psilocylian> can't open that at the boot menu... didn't work
[04:03] <psilocylian> i'll try making a bootable usb drive
[04:03] <k4> psilocylian:  there are some tools for this
[04:09] <SilentDis> hello.  I'm having some problems with knetwork manager under 8.10.  connecting via EVDO over a cellphone.  My phone (motorola v3) works fine (detects it as a CDMA connection) and Just Works (tm).  My parent's machine not so much.  Kubuntu 8.10, LG phone, detects as GSM for some reason, and provides options that won't work with the network.  Any suggestions?
[04:09] <Armagguedes> when isntalling 8.10, how do i set up that encrypted folder in my user /home directory
[04:14] <pikeshouse88> just ran kubuntu live, used 100 more MB than opensuse 11.1, should i expect more memory usage after install too, compared to suse
[04:15] <A_legend> Hey, guys!
[04:15] <ppibburr> is there a .deb for transcode that fixes the regisiter register error?
[04:15] <A_legend> I'm planning to support and maintain a new Linux-like kernel.
[04:15] <A_legend> Anybody wanna join in?
[04:34] <kerry__> hi people
[04:34] <kerry__> can anybody here help me with Synaptic Package Manager?
[04:36] <kerry__> ...anybody?
[04:37] <p_quarles> !ask | kerry__
[04:38] <kerry__> I'm having a problem with synaptic package manager - whenever I try to add/remove software, after clicking Apply, the "applying changes" dialog box hangs...
[04:39] <kerry__> the progress says "removed katomic" but the close button is greyed out...
[04:40] <kerry__> it was working fine beofre i tried to remove GDM!!
[04:51] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I realize KDE4 is getting pretty decent pretty quickly, but I'm wondering if I can trust Kubuntu 8.10 to be stable enough for some friends I'm trying to give Linux to. They aren't massively computer-literate, and the one who will be using the computer most is the type that freaks out when even the most mundane message pops up.
[04:52] <Digital_Pioneer> So any honest opinions as to usability, intuitiveness, stability, etc. born of experience would be appreciated.
[04:56]  * SilentDis-Away is away: Gone away for now
[04:57] <Zehava> I'm a newbie to sh scripting, are there any sites you could suggest to help me learn please?
[04:58] <p_quarles> Digital_Pioneer: I wouldn't recommend it; 4.1 is stable, but lacks some features; 4.2 is getting there, but Plasma crashes every now and again, and that might cause this user to be uncomfortable
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: Working under the pretty safe assumption you mean BASH, you can just google BASH tutorials. There's plenty.
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> p_quarles: Aye, that it would.
[04:58] <Zehava> BASH works too, I just know a couple of the pre compiled things I've ran came with .sh scripts
[04:58] <Zehava> Thanks for the info
[04:58] <Digital_Pioneer> Alt-F2 -> plasma is beyond the comprehension of some. :P
[04:59] <Digital_Pioneer> (Or whatever plasma's executable is)
[04:59] <p_quarles> Zehava: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[04:59] <p_quarles> Digital_Pioneer: actually it restarts fine by itself; just an error message
[04:59] <Zehava> p_quarels thanks a ton
[04:59] <Digital_Pioneer> p_quarles: Oh? That's new.
[05:00] <Digital_Pioneer> (Since I used KDE4 last)
[05:00] <Digital_Pioneer> Is that the worst of it?
[05:00]  * Digital_Pioneer considers using it himself.
[05:01] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: Yeah, .sh scripts usually just mean bash scripts. To be sure, though, the first line should say #!/bin/bash which specifies that it's a bash script.
[05:01] <tweakedeh> Any one know of a good Media Player that plays .rmvb files??
[05:01] <Digital_Pioneer> tweakedeh: mplayer?
[05:02] <p_quarles> yeah, I haven't had any real problems with it; there are a few settings that don't stick, like in 3.5.8, but no dealbreakers
[05:02] <Digital_Pioneer> In my experience, if mplayer doesn't play it, nothing does. Heheheh
[05:02] <tweakedeh> Digital_Pioneer: ha ha, ok I usually use VLC and that didnt work.
[05:02] <Zehava> Digital_Pioneer thanks a ton, I"m reading now, I just want to automate updating my SVN and rebuilding it on a timer
[05:02] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: is that a Real format?
[05:02] <szrhawaii> does anyone know the file where the ksrc files are for the kdm theme manager in kubuntu 8.10
[05:02] <tweakedeh> p_quarles: yes.
[05:03] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: go with RealPlayer, then; that's sure to play it
[05:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: Ahh, OK. If you're looking at actual interaction with a program, as part of the automation, I recommend expect.
[05:03] <Digital_Pioneer> But for SVN, that shouldn't be necessary.
[05:03] <tweakedeh> p_quarles: Alright. Thanks a ton.
[05:04] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: it's not in the main Ubuntu repos; I believe it's in the Partner set, but I'm not sure
[05:04] <Digital_Pioneer> Ewww, realplayer SUCKS.
[05:04] <tweakedeh> p_quarles: I'm still Quite new to Linux so I'm not sure what your talking about.
[05:04] <Zehava> Digital_Pioneer I can google 'expect ubuntu' and get information?
[05:05] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: No. Google "expect scripts" and you'll get a little. Expect is very simple though.
[05:05] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: I mean that you can't install it using the package manager; it's a closed source program, and you will probably need to get it from their web site
[05:05] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: they do make a Linux version, though, and it has installation instructions
[05:06] <Zehava> Digital_Pioneer thanks a lot, I'll check it out now
[05:06] <tweakedeh> p_quarles: Oh, ok, What about burnning them, would K3b do the trick?
[05:07] <p_quarles> tweakedeh: if you mean putting the files onto a disk, then yes; if you mean transcoding them into a video DVD, I don't know
[05:08] <tweakedeh> p_quarles: Okay. well I'm sure I'll figure some thing out, I all ways do.
[05:11] <Digital_Pioneer> So does anyone else have any opinions on the n00b-friendliness of Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE4?
[05:14] <Zehava> How do I delete a directory that's not empty?
[05:14] <Zehava> rmdir isn't working
[05:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: rm -r
[05:14] <Zehava> thanks
[05:16] <Zehava> Digital_Pioneer does expect work by default or do I need to install it?
[05:17] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: You may need to install it, just run `which expect`
[05:17] <Digital_Pioneer> If it returns a path (like /usr/bin/expect) you have it.
[05:17] <Chris47> hi
[05:18] <Digital_Pioneer> Chris47: Hi.
[05:19] <Zehava> installing now, thanks
[05:20] <Zehava> This thing works kind of like mud triggers eh?
[05:21] <Chris47> Someone now why my Xorg.conf file is short ?
[05:22] <Chris47> http://paste.ubuntu.com/100062/
[05:23] <SiVA_> hey
[05:23] <Chris47> no ones know ?
[05:23] <stdin> Chris47: because Xorg auto-detects most things now
[05:23] <Chris47> ok
[05:25] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: Don't know mud triggers.
[05:28] <condon> Can anyone tell me why ibex won't find my webcam?
[05:28] <condon> kde 4.2
[05:28] <condon> tried with Cheese and Camorama
[05:28] <Zehava> Digital_Pioneer it appears that this expect script has the ability to read IN what's on the prompt and have set reactions to the input, which is exactly what I'll be needing, thanks a ton for the direction
[05:29] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: Yup, that's it. "Expect to see this, and when you do, do this." Glad I could help. :)
[05:29] <Zehava> I was told Linux was better for my coding than the windows setup I have on my laptop is so I'm giving it a shot, so far the scripts are going to help a ton once I can get them working properly
[05:29] <Digital_Pioneer> Linux pwns for programming. :)
[05:30] <maxmahem> question: I don't seem to have help files for most of my kutilities (kmail, ect..) is there somplace I need to get them from?
[05:30] <Zehava> I'll be able to script many of the things I've had to spend 10-20 mins doing manually.  That is great
[05:30] <Zehava> Can I set scripts to run at timed intervals?
[05:30] <Digital_Pioneer> On windows, it seems you're mostly stuck with visual studio, which I really do not like. And that alone costs how many hundred? :\
[05:30] <Greydmiyu> Yes, cron.
[05:30] <Digital_Pioneer> Zehava: cron?
[05:30] <Zehava> Great, I'll look into that too
[05:31] <Digital_Pioneer> maxmahem: Perhaps search package manager for doc packages? I never have figured out where to get them. :P
[05:32]  * SilentDis is back.
[05:32] <p_quarles> !away | SilentDis
[05:32]  * Digital_Pioneer begins downloading Kubuntu 8.04 DVD via HTTP and Bittorrent simultaneously.
[05:33]  * SilentDis-Away is away: Gone away for now
[05:33]  * SilentDis is back.
[05:33] <Digital_Pioneer> Heheheh
[05:33] <Armagguedes> when is openoffice3 due in kubuntu?
[05:34] <Armagguedes> it's not even in jaunty
[05:34] <p_quarles> maxmahem: the package is khelpcenter4
[05:34] <SilentDis> again, my apologies p_quarles, just setting konversation up on a new install.  as i just said.
[05:35] <maxmahem> ah thanks, I wasn't finding it in adept. I have khelp, but apt-get khelpcenter4 will get me the doc files for all my aps?
[05:35] <p_quarles> maxmahem: yep
[05:38] <maxmahem> okay I'm still new at this, hold my hand a bit, it would be sudo apt-get install khelpcenter4?
[05:40] <Digital_Pioneer> maxmahem: That should do it.
[05:41] <Digital_Pioneer> maxmahem: I applaud you. You use APT directly instead of Adept. :)
[05:41] <SilentDis> what info does the network manager (and therefore knetworkmanager) pull from?  I've got an EVDO phone that's for some reason asking for GSM settings
[05:42] <Digital_Pioneer> SilentDis: knetworkmanager is a frontend to the networkmanager daemon, if that's what you're asking.
[05:43] <Digital_Pioneer> NetworkManager has nothing to do with GSM, to my knowledge. But they could've gone and done something strange... Heheh
[05:43] <SilentDis> Digital_Pioneer: yes, sort of...  it's a cdma phone, but for some reason the machine is seeing it as a GSM phone, and asking for info that just won't work to connect to the network.  My motorola V3 works great, this LG phone... not so much :)
[05:44] <Digital_Pioneer> Ehhh, I don't even know what CDMA is; but if you're using the phone as a modem, I wouldn't expect the system to care what network standard it uses...
[05:44] <SilentDis> basically, i live in the boonies, it's either EVDO, Satellite, or dialup for me.  I chose EVDO (cost and high speed, mostly).  my motorola Just Works (tm), my mother's LG phone detects as a GSM device, and asks questions related to such a service, that don't work
[05:44] <maxmahem> if I can use adept I like to, but this wasn't showing up on there. Also, it seems I already have khelpcenter, just not the updates for it.
[05:45] <maxmahem> rather I don't have help files for things like kmail.
[05:45] <Digital_Pioneer> SilentDis: IDK, sorry. :(
[05:46] <SilentDis> example:  I plug in my V3, knetwork manager lists it on ttyACM0 as a CDMA device, username/password/phone number (just like dialup), and go.  plug in the LG, and it asks for a bunch of other settings related to a GSM data network, that is not what i need.
[05:46] <Digital_Pioneer> maxmahem: Ahh, well, at least you know there IS something called APT. :)
[05:46] <Digital_Pioneer> SilentDis: Does it not make a devnode like the V3?
[05:46] <Armagguedes> SilentDis: can you use your LG with kaddressbook?
[05:46] <Armagguedes> sync contacts and that
[05:47] <SilentDis> Armagguedes: i have no idea, and not what i'm looking for.  I'm looking to basically use it as a dial-up modem on ttyACM0
[05:47] <maxmahem> ah, apparently this is not a bug, kmail just doesn't have any help files. awesome.
[05:47] <Armagguedes> ok just asking
[05:48] <Digital_Pioneer> It sounds like it's trying to be smart and use a GSM data network instead of just using the modem. I would think you could just give a dialer the modem devnode and it would work...
[05:48] <SilentDis> Armagguedes: understood :)
[05:48] <Armagguedes> i'll looking for a phone that can and i'm not having any luck
[05:48] <maxmahem> Is there a way I can set kmail to automaticaly get messages?
[05:49] <SilentDis> Digital_Pioneer: I tried that, kppp does work, but 1-doesn't set status as 'online' for apps, therefore forcing the user to click 'work online mode' (in firefox and the like, bank website needs it), and requries the user to input a password to just open the app.
[05:49] <Digital_Pioneer> maxmahem: I should think so.
[05:49] <superman> in the hardy live CD, koneole colors different files different colors and makes it easier to look at, but when i install, all the coloring goes away. similarly, in the live cd the title bar of konsole contains the current path, ut after installing it just shows "shell". how do I change these things?
[05:49] <Armagguedes> maxmahem: go to tools > options > accounts
[05:49] <Digital_Pioneer> Should be in settings somewhere, I would expect.
[05:49] <superman> konsole*
[05:49] <Armagguedes> then on each mail account there
[05:49] <Armagguedes> there will be an option; "fetch messages from server".
[05:49] <Armagguedes> tick it and then set the time interval
[05:50] <superman> i copied the entire .kde folder from the live cd to my installation and it didn't change
[05:50] <Digital_Pioneer> SilentDis: Weird. Perhaps find whatever driver is using it as GSM and unload it? No idea if you can, just a thought.
[05:50] <SilentDis> Digital_Pioneer: hmm...  brb, let me dmsg | tail and see where it's pulling that... thanks for the suggestion :)
[05:51] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: Coloring of output for ls is with ls --color=auto
[05:51] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: My guess is there was an alias for it in ~/.bashrc on the liveCD.
[05:52] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: You should be able to add the line to your ~/.bashrc file: alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[05:52] <maxmahem> Armagguedes: thanks. I knew it had to be there someplace, I was looking for the help files so as to try and avoid looking stupid.
[05:52] <SiVA_> is it possible apt-get can not find my cd? I'm trying to apt-get install emacs but it's not finding it
[05:52] <Armagguedes> you'd be stupid not to ask for help
[05:53] <superman> Digital_Pioneer: that did it, thanks
[05:53] <Armagguedes> SiVA_: you need to enable the CD repo on the sources.list
[05:53] <Armagguedes> konsole > sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:53] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: Good. :) You might also look at coloring your prompt, if you like. Look online for PS1 variables.
[05:53] <Armagguedes> it should be on top
[05:53] <superman> Digital_Pioneer: i thought it was a konsole configuration thing. what about the title bar?
[05:53] <Armagguedes> if not look for the repo online
[05:54] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: I think that's another PS variable... Not sure what though.
[05:54] <Armagguedes> and then add the line
[05:55] <SiVA_> Armagguedes: at the top it says: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu .....]/ intrepid main restricted
[05:56] <Armagguedes> yes
[05:56] <Armagguedes> there should be a "##" at the beginning of the line
[05:56] <Armagguedes> or just "#"
[05:56] <Armagguedes> (no colons obvs)
[05:56] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: Ehh, it uses PS1 somehow. Not sure how. There's a "Tip of the Day" on it.
[05:56] <Armagguedes> delete it
[05:57] <SiVA_> it's not commented out...
[05:57] <Armagguedes> then add MULTIVERSE and UNIVERSE at its end
[05:57] <Armagguedes> i am assuming the package you want is even there
[05:58] <Armagguedes> they leave quite a few out due to cd space restrictions
[05:58] <SiVA_> should I remove "restricted" ?
[05:58] <Armagguedes> no you can leave the other 2
[05:59] <superman> ...that you can let Konsole set the current directory as the window title? For Bash, put 'export PS1=$PS1"\[\e]0;\H:\w\a\]"' in your ~/.bashrc .
[06:00] <Digital_Pioneer> superman: I guess that should do it. :)
[06:01] <superman> thanks
[06:01] <Armagguedes> SiVA_: also, try doing sudo apt-get update before trying to install
[06:01] <Digital_Pioneer> NP. :)
[06:01] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, well I'm gonna hit the sack.
[06:01] <Armagguedes> i don't know if just by adding the repos (even the cd ones) the contents become immediately available
[06:02] <Armagguedes> i think you have to refresh the thing
[06:03] <Armagguedes> anyway reboot
[06:22] <maxmahem> sorry if it seems like if I have a million questions, but I got another one. Is there a way I can configure the pannel/task manager to display my programs in multiple rows, and can I remove some of the notification icons I don't need as well?
[06:22] <maxmahem> (actually I guess that is two questions).
[06:29] <szrhawaii> [22:28] <szrhawaii> trying to add a new color scheme to my kdm and not sure where the file is located at in 8.10 can anyone help me out
[06:29] <beachsurfin> http://dpaste.com/105482/
[06:30] <beachsurfin> each time i run "man <whatever>" i'm told "terminal is not fully functional, and it's getting annoying
[06:30] <beachsurfin> the paste contains output from gdb
[06:30] <p_quarles> maxmahem: 1st q: yes, in KDE4.2; 2nd q: you can "hide" them so they don't sit there unless you expand the tray
[06:32] <maxmahem> p_quarles: thanks, on q1, on q2, where exactly do I configure it to hide?
[06:32] <p_quarles> szrhawaii: you can add the scheme by clicking on "import scheme" in System Settings
[06:33] <p_quarles> maxmahem: right-click on tray, select "tray settings" and you'll see the dialogue
[06:33] <szrhawaii> no i cant
[06:33] <szrhawaii> not for that
[06:33] <szrhawaii> i want to change my kdm not my regular color scheme
[06:33] <szrhawaii> its a manual install it always has been
[06:33] <p_quarles> oh, sorry - kdm
[06:33] <szrhawaii> yeah
[06:34] <szrhawaii> i just dont know what they named it in this newer one
[06:34] <szrhawaii> i know where it was in 3.5
[06:37] <szrhawaii> do you know where the kdm source file is in this version since i think they named it differently or put it in a different pllace
[06:38] <maxmahem> p_quarles: sorry to keep buging you on such a simple question, but can't seem to get a settings button on the system tray. I can remove it, but can't seem to configure it.
[06:38] <p_quarles> maxmahem: using 4.1 or 4.2?
[06:38] <SiVA_> is there something wrong with the syntax: patch -Npl -i some.patch ? I keep getting "patch: **** strip count l is not a number"
[06:39] <HappySmileMan> according to man pages
[06:39] <HappySmileMan> -p always needs to be in format -p[number]
[06:40] <maxmahem> p_quarles: 4.1.3
[06:40] <maxmahem> er kde that is.
[06:40] <szrhawaii> that means 4.1
[06:40] <p_quarles> maxmahem: I guess that must have made it into the 4.2 beta
[06:40] <SiVA_> right on thanks
[06:41] <humaun> salam
[06:41] <maxmahem> Ah, 4.2 is still in beta? would it be disasterous if I upgraded to it?
[06:41] <p_quarles> maxmahem: no, not at all; I'm using it, and I much prefer it
[06:44] <szrhawaii> what features are different on the 4.2 version
[06:46] <GreydMiyu> 4.2 version of what?
[06:47] <szrhawaii> kde
[06:48] <GreydMiyu> Well, the panel is a little more well behaved.
[06:48] <GreydMiyu> the added notifications which I think someone should be throttled for.
[06:48] <szrhawaii> i couldnt handle the notifications on this 8.10
[06:48] <szrhawaii> so theres more on the beta version
[06:49] <GreydMiyu> W
[06:49] <GreydMiyu> Well, I don't recall notifications being in 4.1 on 8.10 at all.
[06:49] <szrhawaii> there is now
[06:49] <szrhawaii> i have to turn them off
[06:49] <szrhawaii> its kind of irritating
[06:50] <szrhawaii> can you point me in the direction to get the beta version
[06:50] <szrhawaii> i can always put it on virtualbox to check it out
[06:50] <maxmahem> I can!
[06:51] <maxmahem> szrhawaii: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2
[06:51] <szrhawaii> thanks
[06:51] <maxmahem> basically you can just add another source to your list and get it with adept.
[06:51] <GreydMiyu> Yeah, any feature that makes me wish I had i386 ritilin is a bad feature.
[06:52] <szrhawaii> is te beta a jaunty version or ibex intrepid
[06:52] <GreydMiyu> And I'd love to know why Konversation and kvirc, both "KDE IRC clients" can't pull their colors from my KDE theme.  :/
[06:52] <GreydMiyu> Ibex.
[06:52] <p_quarles> szrhawaii: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta2.php
[06:53] <szrhawaii> it looks fairly similar to the 4.1 version
[06:54] <szrhawaii> i see the ark is improving finally
[06:55] <GreydMiyu> Still defaults to Dolphin.  Or, my favorite, on my test box with KDE, GNome and XFCE installed...  Nautilus.  o.O
[06:55] <szrhawaii> how is nautilus
[06:56] <szrhawaii> is it good
[06:56] <jdnewmil_> I have had difficulty with my 4GB usb flash drive on kubuntu recently ... I would plug it in, and a "KDE Daemon" dialog would appear asking me if I want to mount it... the problem being that the dialog would hang unresponsive to clicks... then I plugged in my 1G usb flash drive and everything started working again... so I don't know how to repeat the problem but this problem did persist for several days
[06:56] <GreydMiyu> meh, don't like it at all.  I prefer Dolphin over it.  Considering my dim view of Dolphin that's pretty bad.
[06:57] <szrhawaii> i like dolphin myself
[06:58] <p_quarles> Dolphin's a work in progress
[06:58] <szrhawaii> they should changed the K logo on the kmenu
[06:59] <szrhawaii> i think they should make a nicer looking one or use someone elses version of it for the kmenu it doesnt go with the new stuff
[06:59] <GreydMiyu> It's part of the default theme, Oxygen.
[06:59] <szrhawaii> man someone needs to talk to them to change that
[07:00] <szrhawaii> its so oddball with all the new stuff
[07:00] <GreydMiyu> Why?  It's blue.  The default background is blue, same color pallette.
[07:00] <maxmahem> oh important question. Is there a way I can stop kde from relaunching everything when I start up some times? kwin seems to crash at random times if I don't have my graphics card enabled, and if I disable it, I can have problems with those programs crashing in on startup.
[07:00] <szrhawaii> yeah they can keep the blue just the whole square box thing is what im talking about
[07:01] <superman> maxmahem: relaunching what?
[07:01] <GreydMiyu> Not getting it since it has the same glass look and rounded shape as the window list plasma.
[07:01] <szrhawaii> its all good for me since ill end up making my own icon set anyways
[07:02] <maxmahem> superman: it's weird and I think related to compiz fusion. Basically expanding or drawing some windows can cause kwin or x or something to crash, which leaves my system unresponsive to keyboard input.
[07:02] <maxmahem> often with messed up gfx on the screen.
[07:02] <p_quarles> maxmahem: you can't run compiz and kwin at the same time; they conflict
[07:03] <szrhawaii> i learned that compiz fusion and kwin dont work together so you have to pick one or the other
[07:03] <szrhawaii> and turn one off
[07:03] <p_quarles> szrhawaii: exactly; they are both window managers
[07:03] <szrhawaii> i would turn the kwin off if you have compiz
[07:03] <szrhawaii> since compiz does more than the kwin
[07:04] <maxmahem> p_quarles: sorry, I'm still a new at this, I assumed it was kwin that was crashing it. Honestly I'm not sure what app is failing, I'm still pretty new at this.
[07:05] <szrhawaii> maxmahem you have compiz fusion
[07:06] <maxmahem> yes, well in any case, with the grafics card hw disabled, random programs openning up can bring it down it seems.
[07:06] <szrhawaii> go to system settings and then desktop and turn off the desktop effects
[07:06] <szrhawaii> for kwin
[07:06] <szrhawaii> youll see a big difference
[07:06] <szrhawaii> less crashes
[07:06] <maxmahem> I had to work around it by launching a seperate session/terminal (ctrl+shift+f2) while they booted, then snuck in afterwards to enable my graphics card.
[07:08] <maxmahem> is there a config file I can edit to do that?
[07:08] <szrhawaii> for what
[07:08] <szrhawaii> to run only kwin or compiz
[07:08] <maxmahem> disabling desktop effects.
[07:08] <szrhawaii> yeah
[07:08] <maxmahem> or to launch kwin instead of compiz.
[07:09] <GreydMiyu> eyes up about 6 lines.  ;)
[07:09] <szrhawaii> kmenu>system>system settings>desktop>
[07:09] <maxmahem> no a config file, so I can do it from the terminal.
[07:09] <alfan> hello may i'm joining
[07:09] <maxmahem> In case I bugger up the settings some how and need to revert it.
[07:09] <szrhawaii> im not sure what it is
[07:09] <szrhawaii> but you can easily do it that way as well
[07:09] <maxmahem> only easily if I can find the file :P
[07:10] <szrhawaii> its just a button to turn on and off the desktop effects
[07:10] <szrhawaii> its in your kmenu
[07:10] <GreydMiyu> There's also a shortcut to do it, forget what it is, though.
[07:10] <alfan> how to install the upgrade software from my kubuntu cd
[07:10] <maxmahem> Right, but I want to be able to do it from the prompt, like bash?
[07:11] <szrhawaii> i know its part of the desktop effects
[07:11] <maxmahem> becaues the problem I am having sometimes crashes it on boot, so I can't get to the menus.
[07:11] <szrhawaii> well uninstall compiz then
[07:11] <GreydMiyu> I think you're missing what he's saying.
[07:11] <szrhawaii> cause if you have compiz running then you dont need it if you have kwin running
[07:11] <szrhawaii> probably
[07:11] <GreydMiyu> If you have kwin and compiz both turned on then they'll conflict and crash.  so turning off kwin will prevent that happening.
[07:12] <GreydMiyu> Turning off kwin is kinda hard to munge.  ;)
[07:12] <beachsurfin> is there a new way to list a package's deps aside from rdepends?
[07:12] <szrhawaii> yeah or uninstalling compiz will help out too
[07:12] <szrhawaii> uninstalling compiz would be the easiest
[07:12] <szrhawaii> in terminal
[07:12] <GreydMiyu> beachsurfin: any decept package manager should be able to show you depends.
[07:12] <szrhawaii> just got to sudo apt-get uninstall
[07:13] <maxmahem> hmm... okay I think I could do that if it happens again. apt-get uninstall compiz?
[07:13] <szrhawaii> yeah
[07:13] <maxmahem> that will disable my effects in kde untill I reinstall it?
[07:14] <szrhawaii> no it will just get rid of one of your conflicts of having two desktop effect programs
[07:14] <szrhawaii> it will get rid of one of your problems but not kwin
[07:15] <szrhawaii> you could try killall kwin
[07:15] <maxmahem> I think I mispoke earlier about the problem I was having, which may be making me misunderstood, I haven't installed another desktop effect program besides what comes default with kubuntu
[07:15] <szrhawaii> if you downloaded compiz then you did
[07:15] <szrhawaii> if you havent then you havent
[07:15] <maxmahem> I haven't.
[07:16] <szrhawaii> ok then you just have kwin
[07:16] <szrhawaii> so what is the problem your having
[07:16] <szrhawaii> you just cant get in
[07:16] <maxmahem> but the desktop effects can crash something (x, kwin, kdm, I don't know something) if my gfx card hardware isn't enabled. so if it gets disabled somehow, some programs launching when I boot can bring it down before I have a change to reconfigure it.
[07:17] <maxmahem> I would like to be able to stop those programs from launching on boot, or disable the desktop effects from the terminal.
[07:17] <maxmahem> and when I say programs launching on boot, I mean like the last apps I was using and such.
[07:17] <maxmahem> which kde will auto load for me (nice, most of the time).
[07:17] <szrhawaii> the last apps you were using in the last session
[07:18] <maxmahem> exactly.
[07:18] <p_quarles> maxmahem: in 4.2, there is an option in the session manager to "Start with Empty Session"
[07:18] <GreydMiyu> also applications to exclude from sessions.
[07:18] <maxmahem> p_quarles: Ah, it seems 4.2 will solve most of my problems then, in fact let me logout and give it a try.
[07:18] <GreydMiyu> so if you find the specific app that doesn't play nice without compositing you can put it there.
[07:19] <p_quarles> maxmahem: I don't know if it's in 4.1, since I can't see for myself; that's why I said that
[07:19] <p_quarles> and . . . too late
[07:20] <GreydMiyu> Eh, not like 4.2 isn't stable by comparison to all the other 4.x series.
[07:23] <maxmahem> hmm... first impressions, kde 4.2 seems much improved.
[07:28] <maxmahem> except kmail seems stuck in fullscreen...
[07:29] <maxmahem> do, fullscreen button was checked.
[07:31] <GreydMiyu> I need to get a Jaunty iso to see if kmail is usable in that version.  supposed to be some advancements.
[07:31] <maxmahem> I have been using it, and it seems pretty good so far.
[07:31] <p_quarles> GreydMiyu: isn't it the same version as the 4.2 PPA?
[07:32] <GreydMiyu> PPA?
[07:32] <p_quarles> GreydMiyu: the repository for the developers working on 4.2
[07:32] <GreydMiyu> not sure.
[07:32] <p_quarles> in other words, you can run the latest version on Intrepid
[07:34] <GreydMiyu> I'm going by what the release notes on kubuntu.org say, "Kmail has gone through some amazing work over and has gotten dressed up in new outfits to show off the sleek powerful physique. Any heavy user of mail is welcomed to try out this tool. For Alpha 2 Kmail is not on the CD but is readily available in the repository for use."
[07:36] <p_quarles> the version in 4.2 Beta is 1.10.92 - not sure how that compares
[07:36] <GreydMiyu> hm
[07:37] <GreydMiyu> I've got 1.10.92 right now.
[07:37] <GreydMiyu> Well, fooie.
[07:40] <GreydMiyu> Oh wait, duh, I'm on 4.2 beta.
[07:44] <maxmahem> hmm... is there a kde 4.2 specific channel? because it doesn't seem to be listening to my window styling options, I would like to use keramic...
[07:49] <OxDeadC0de> when is 4.2rc1?
[07:51] <OxDeadC0de> the 13th is rc1, 4.2 should be official (non rc non beta) on the 27th
[08:06] <jason> hello
[08:28] <sami__> hi
[08:28] <sami__> moi
[08:47] <chris_> hi
[08:48] <chris_> i have an annoying problem with compiz-fusion. everytime i open a window it will stop for a split second before continuing. otherwise it runs absolutely smoothly. i couldn't find anything useful in google. any suggestions?
[08:54] <JohnFlux> chris_: why are you using compiz with kde? :)
[08:54] <chris_> why not?
[08:55] <chris_> i am using hardy with 3.5. 4.1 is a nuisance with nvidia drivers
[08:55] <JohnFlux> ah okay
[09:37] <bentob0x> how can I change the default text editor in KDE4
[09:39] <GreydMiyu> Other than in system settings?
[09:41] <GreydMiyu> HEY!  when did system Settings give you the option to choose Konq or Dolphin!?
[09:47] <bentob0x> yea, in System Settings/Default applications I can't do anything at all in there
[09:47] <snew> Good morning everybody
[09:47] <snew> i have a little problem since yesterday with my adept... Seems I'm alone with it
[09:47] <snew> can s.o. plz check the Code?
[09:47] <snew> :-(
[09:47] <snew> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/393569/
[09:50] <CornholioTR> hi
[09:50] <CornholioTR> can anyone recommend a good ftp program besides filezilla?
[09:50] <CornholioTR> *client
[09:53] <GreydMiyu> ncftp, lftp.
[09:53] <cuznt> kftp
[09:55] <GreydMiyu> Though these days between torrent and ssh I've rarely had a need for an ftp client much less a good one.
[09:56] <faileas> ;)
[09:56] <GreydMiyu> Er, on the linux side that is.
[09:57] <jussi01> !ftp
[09:58] <jussi01> CornholioTR: I just use konqueror tbh
[09:59] <d-tech> could not stat /dev/cciss/c0d01 --- no such file or directory
[10:00] <Niski_> say, I've got windows installed on another hd, can it be ran "over" linux somehow? virtualisation I　think was the term or something like that
[10:01] <faileas> Niski_: er, running a 'real' windows install in a vm is rather risky, but its doable- might have to look it up though
[10:01] <GreydMiyu> Yes, with VirtualBox, provided it isn't vista.
[10:04] <Niski_> thank you
[10:06] <CornholioTR>  kftpgrabber looks like it'll
[10:07] <CornholioTR> do
[10:07] <CornholioTR> thanks to everyone
[10:07] <yao_ziyuan> what will be the most significant updates if i enable backports and proposed?
[10:19] <uni_> рус
[10:20] <^Manu> hi people
[10:20] <^Manu> has anyone else had serious problems with kubuntu's display settings?
[10:21] <^Manu> xorg.conf is empty.... i cant work out whats going on. it seems like it's trying to be smart and autodetecting everything now, except that it's COMPLETELY wrong.. and when i try and apply settings in the display setting tool, most of the time it doesn't do anything, or the gui gets confused and doesn't do what i'm trying to do, etc...
[10:21] <Niski> ^Manu: not serious, but for whatever reason on restart, the system defaults to some insane resolution and I have to manually reset it back to where I like
[10:21] <^Manu> there's also no obvious way to add custom resolutions, and since it doesn't detect the actual supported resolutions properly, this is a problem.. most of the resolutions in the list are completely irrelevant, and not actually valid...
[10:22] <^Manu> yeah, i also find that it doesn't remember its settings either.
[10:22] <^Manu> and it's fairly random in what it chooses when it boots..
[10:22] <^Manu> ie, much of the time it boots, it picks a random one out of the 20 or so resolutions that it 'detects', of which about 80% are invalis resolutions, and i don't have a screen when iu boot..
[10:23] <^Manu> if i ctrl-alt-backspace, it restarts x, and if i'm lucky it might pick a better one..
[10:23] <^Manu> it has to be said, this system is beyond insane, and i can't find any info about how to configure it manually.. or actually make it work at all..
[10:24] <^Manu> one other broken problem i'm having constantly, if i run a fullscreen app, and then quit, the desktop may be kinda, like... shifted, so it's only partly visible on the screen, and the empty area is black..
[10:24] <uni_> дайте русский канал)))
[10:25] <andrey__> hello
[10:26] <^Manu> what's surprising is that it seems to *work* for most people O_O ??
[10:27] <Niski> ^Manu: it works, but has some annoying bugs, I suppose most people just shrug it off?
[10:27] <^Manu> not having a display when i boot and having to ctrl-alt-backspace a few times every time i boot is not really one i can just shrug off :/
[10:28] <^Manu> and then after that, i tend to get crazy resolutions like 1360x400, 1920x540, and other really warped modes that are way out of aspect, and don't have any relevance to the panel. also the refresh rates are mental..
[10:29] <^Manu> and when i run 2 displays, they often each choose different refresh rates..
[10:30] <^Manu> and the GUI to select the refresh rate is a placebo, because it completely ignores what i select.... and seleting from things like 60, 60.1, 63.5, 72.7, etc is not very useful in its self..
[10:32] <bazyl> hello everyone!
[10:33] <JohnFlux> KGPG doesn't list any keyservers
[10:33] <JohnFlux> any ideas why not?
[10:34] <^Manu> so what causes this display mode problem? is there any solution? can i override all that auto-magic stuff.. i just need to tell it what mode to use..
[10:34] <^Manu> there are 2 monitors, and they should each use exactly one display mode, and those modes don't appear on either monitor's resolution lists..
[10:34] <SlimeyPete> ^Manu: anything you add to the xorg file will override the automatic configuration, I think
[10:35] <SlimeyPete> so you could still set things up manually
[10:36] <^Manu> it seems to be ignored.
[10:36] <^Manu> unless i'm doing something wrong.
[10:36] <andrey__> Hello guys. I am andrey.
[10:36] <uni_> есть русские тут?
[10:36] <^Manu> which is likely.. :/
[10:36] <andrey__> Это я!
[10:37] <uni_> слу
 у мя трабл....повысился исходящий трафик...хотя сеня с утра он был 0кб\с, а щас 50кб\с,,, я ничего не отправляю..в чем мможет быть проблема???
[10:38] <^Manu> is this a kde4 thing?
[10:38] <^Manu> they seemed to remove 3.5 from intrepid :(
[10:39] <jussi01> !ru | uni andrey__
[10:39] <GreydMiyu> Yes, yes they did.
[10:40] <^Manu> is there some way to have what's running now produce an xorg.conf file..
[10:40] <^Manu> so then i can edit it..
[10:41] <^Manu> cus i can't write one from scratch that will work how i want.. but i should be able to tweak a close one, and remove all the crap, and just add the 2 modes that i expect to be default..
[10:43] <^Manu> does ubuntu work better?
[10:43] <^Manu> should i install that instead?
[10:44] <SlimeyPete> I think it's a new xorg thing rather than a kde4 thing
[10:44] <SlimeyPete> so I imagine ubuntu does the same thing
[10:44] <SlimeyPete> you can always try installing the ubuntu-desktop package, and try it out...
[10:44] <GreydMiyu> Won't make a difference.
[10:44] <GreydMiyu> They both use the same xorg package.
[10:46] <andrey__> Слушай <uni> я новичок в этой системе? поэтому мало в ней разбираюсь.
[10:48] <^Manu_> okay, so what's my solution then>
[10:48] <^Manu_> ?
[10:50] <^Manu_> this is a media box connected to my tv, and unless my tv is on, and on the correct channel when i power the machine on, it'll completely ignore the HDMI altogether, and boot using the DVI (which is disconnected), and even when i do boot from the HDMI, it usually chooses one of the rubbish modes it think it detects..
[10:50] <GreydMiyu> Dunno, never ran into that problem.
[10:50] <^Manu_> when really, it's an lcd, there is exactly one 'correct' display mode, but it doesn't offer that in its magic list :(
[10:50] <GreydMiyu> xorg's been putting a lot of effort into autodetecting.  On the 3 KUbuntu machines I have (1 desktop, 1 laptop, 1 VM) I don't have any issues bad enough for me to look into it.
[10:51] <^Manu_> well the autodetection is one thing, but it doesn't even seem to save the settings.. i'll set it one way, restart, and it's completely reconfigured its self..
[10:51] <^Manu_> the whole thing is a shambles..
[10:51] <GreydMiyu> Yeah, that's the one area where it's weak for me.  the laptop is plugged into my LCD TV via a VGA cable and can't quite decide it can do 1080p.  :/
[10:51] <^Manu_> and they've removed all options for manual configuration as far as i can tell :(
[10:52] <^Manu_> it offers 1920x540 ;)
[10:52] <^Manu_> that's useful..
[10:52] <GreydMiyu> Well, the DEs have been taking over that role.
[10:52] <GreydMiyu> To mixed results, granted.
[10:52] <^Manu_> along with about 20 other invalid resolutions, at really stupid refresh rates that are unsupported.
[10:52] <GreydMiyu> heh, sweeeet.
[10:53] <^Manu_> why would they add a new technology that's largely experimental, and remove all the options to override the autoconfig :/
[10:54] <^Manu_> i just want to add 1920x1080@60, and delete everything else it thinks it can do..
[10:54] <^Manu_> and force it to use that mode when it boots, not a random one..
[10:54] <GreydMiyu> I don't think they've removed it, just that you have to hand craft now to override.
[10:54] <^Manu_> also, it needs to assume the tv it attached, not decide it's not attached when it's off, and then bail out and use another display that's also not connected.
[10:54] <^Manu_> :/
[10:54] <^Manu_> i've tried that, but it seems to be ignored..
[10:55] <^Manu_> more likely, i have no idea what to write in there..
[10:55] <^Manu_> can i make it write an xorg.conf with it's 'detected' settings?
[10:55] <^Manu_> as a starting point.
[10:57] <^Manu_> mine is completely blank.
[10:58] <^Manu_> theres a lot of 'magic' strings and names of things that i need to use, which i just couldn't possibly guess at.
[10:58] <GreydMiyu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627021
[10:58] <emak> whois ^Manu
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:07] <popey> Is there a "sudo update-manager -c -d" equivalent for Kubuntu, for someone wanting to go to Jaunty?
[11:08] <wesley> How can i look which driver my vga is using ?
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> popey: !update
[11:09]  * popey pokes the bot
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> wesley: lshw -C video
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> !update
[11:09] <^Manu_> thing is, that xorg.conf doesn't work on it's own...
[11:09] <^Manu_> it just seems to ignore anything in xorg.conf
[11:10] <popey> ActionParsnip: was that a kneejerk or do you actually know it says how to upgrade there?
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> popey: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Ubuntu%20Servers%20(Recommended)
[11:10] <^Manu_> unless i need to have a full blown xorg.conf before it'll take any notice.
[11:10] <popey> ok, so do-release-upgrade
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu_: what video card are you using?
[11:10] <popey> i thought adept might be able to do it, thanks
[11:10] <^Manu_> intel
[11:10] <^Manu_> X4500HD IGP
[11:11] <popey> ActionParsnip: you know that I said upgrade _to_ _jaunty_ not to intrepid..
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> popey: just change whatever it says for intrepid to jaunty
[11:12] <popey> ahh -d works on d-r-u
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | popey
[11:12] <popey> ta
[11:14] <^Manu_> also, there are 2 displays, and 3 display ports.. how am i supposed to identify the 3 displays in xorg.conf?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> sounds like a lot of mess, have you read
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead | ^Manu_
[11:18] <^Manu_> i just don't understand how to even make it look at xorg.conf in the first place. since its empty, and apparently ignored :/
[11:19] <wesley> upgrading to jaunty isnt safe
[11:30] <popey> wesley: how so?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> its 4 months til release date so will be buggy
[11:34] <jacques_13566> Hallo allemaal
[11:35] <jacques_13566> Iemand op de hoogte van de apt update server?
[11:35] <jacques_13566> Ik kan dit pakketniet installeren http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/openal-soft/libopenal1_1.3.253-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:36] <jacques_13566> het is nodig voor live radio streams vanaf internet
[11:36] <jacques_13566> weet iemand hier een oplosing voor?
[11:36] <wesley> Engels praten
[11:37] <jacques_13566> Is this the english ubuntu channel?
[11:37] <wesley> En anders naar #ubuntu-nl gaan kun je ze meteen de groeten doen van Wesley Velroij
[11:38] <jacques_13566> Thanks zal ik doen wesley
[11:38] <jacques_13566> The dutch channel seems to be empty
[11:39] <jacques_13566> Do you know the answer to m question wesley?
[11:40] <wesley> No
[11:41] <popey> ActionParsnip: well yes, I appreciate that, I've run Ubuntu since Warty and used devel version of most versions since hoary, but never used a devel version of Kubuntu
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> popey: same deal, just kde instead of gnome
[11:42] <popey> yeah, sure, I just wondered if there was some specific breakage rather than the standard disclaimer
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> popey: I always use stable / released stuff and have had zero issues since gutsy
[11:49] <matiaix> всем привет!
[11:50] <matiaix> тут русские есть?
[11:52] <matiaix> hi people! I have talking(flud) with russian
[11:54] <RurouniJones> !ru | matiaix
 спасибо
 ру ру =)
[11:55] <RurouniJones> Hehe, I don't know how to say "No problem" in russian
 =) "нет проблем" "без проблем" "как нехуй делать" =))) можно по всякому сказать =)
[11:59]  * RurouniJones makes a note
 I can say it different(sorry - my english not fine)
[12:01] <RurouniJones> нет проблем
 "нет проблем" and "без проблем" it culture words, but "как нехуй делать" mmm... it is far far not culture words
[12:20] <^Manu_> okay, so i have made progress...
[12:20] <^Manu_> xorg.conf loads and i can add 1080p to my mode list now..
[12:21] <^Manu_> except when x starts, it ignores xorg.conf, until i run the display mode config tool.. just running the displsy mode config tool causes the screens to do their thing and both monitors flick into their proper modes..
[12:22] <^Manu_> however, it always boots with one monitor in the wrong mode, and only corrects its self when i run the display mode tool.. what's the story with that?
[12:34] <Niski> say, how would I most easily access one of my ntfs-formatted partitions? I've tried mounting the partition to an empty directory by some guide I googled, but that gave me an error that the partition was already in use, and indeed, dolphin shows the partitions in the "places" list, so I assume they've been automatically mounted already, now, how do I access them?
[12:35] <bazyl> hi everyone!
[12:35] <EagleScreen> try to access by Dolphin or Konqueror
[12:35] <abongile> Hello please help: MCE remote is responded to correctly by irw but does not work properly in mythbuntu, how can I resolve this?
[12:35] <Niski> EagleScreen: I did, it asked me for my password and then did nothing
[12:35] <EagleScreen> Niski use the command "df -h" on a terminal to watch what partitions are mounted and where they are
[12:36] <EagleScreen> Niski you should learn how to write a partiotion in /etc/fstab file
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> EagleScreen: that shows free space, mount shows where partitions are mounted
[12:37] <^Manu_> hmmmm, okay, new completely mental problem.. it seems that kubuntu has 'intelligently' detected i'm running on a tv (hdtv@1080p), and it's decided to make all my fonts huge...
[12:37] <^Manu_> whats the go with that? O_o
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu_: set them smaller
[12:37] <^Manu_> if i plug the dvi monitor in, they shrink..
[12:38] <^Manu_> just if i unlplug the dvi monitor so only the tv's attached, it all go's mental..
[12:38] <^Manu_> and is there a way to make it boot an app, instead of booting kdm?
[12:38] <jussi01> hrm, I need the gtk libs, someone know which packages to install?
[12:38] <^Manu_> i want it to run xbmc instead of kdm.
[12:38] <EagleScreen> ^Manu_ yes it must be possible
[12:38] <Niski> EagleScreen: curiously enough, df doesn't list those partitions to be mounted
[12:39] <EagleScreen> Niski then they are not mounted
[12:39] <EagleScreen> test also with "mount" command
[12:39] <Niski> yet why do I get "Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:"?
[12:39] <^Manu_> and i can't work out why it'll only use the correct resolutions when i run the display settings tool :/ .. i don't need to change anything.. just when i launch the tool, the monitors flicker and sort themselves out.
[12:39] <Niski> when I manually try to mount it
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: install gnome-libs
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> jussi01maybe
[12:40] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: ahh, good point. :)
[12:40] <EagleScreen> Niski have you got Windows isntalled on that partition?
[12:40] <jussi01> hrm, gnome-libs doesnt exist
[12:41] <Niski> EagleScreen: no, but it is an ntfs one
[12:42] <EagleScreen> Niski try mounting manually by the terminal
[12:42] <Niski> which is precisely what I tried
[12:42] <EagleScreen> create a folder where mount the partition
[12:42] <Niski> already done
[12:43] <EagleScreen> Niski use sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs-3g /mnt
[12:44] <EagleScreen> but change sda1 by your device
[12:45] <Niski> EagleScreen: same error
[12:46] <EagleScreen> Niski please paste the error
[12:48] <william__> This is not a kubuntu specific question but it is linux related. removing large directories using 'rm -R dir' is really slow. Is there a better, fast way of doing it?
[12:48] <Niski> EagleScreen: http://pastebin.ca/1300070
[12:49] <EagleScreen> wait  amomment
[12:52] <rasto> william__: no
[12:53] <EagleScreen> Niski you cannot mount it on Linux becouse partition is not clean
[12:53] <Niski> clean meaning?
[12:54] <EagleScreen> you closed bad Windows when paritition was in use
[12:54] <EagleScreen> Windows or may be Linux
[12:56] <Niski> that's not really informative, what do I need to do to access the disk?
[12:58] <EagleScreen> Niski do you have Windows installed?
[12:58] <Niski> yes, though I'll have to edit the grub boot menu to access it
[13:00] <EagleScreen> Niski I recommend you to edit grub menu, start Windows amd pass a chkdsk to that partition
[13:07] <filip__> hello
[13:08] <william__> hello
[13:11] <^Manu_> linux reports my cpu clock rate as 1.5ghz, but it's a 2.66ghz chip, and the bios reports it as running at 2.66ghz...
[13:13] <^Manu_> do core2 duo's have some throttling tech, and can linux throttle the clock rate if it wants to?
[13:16] <EagleScreen> ^Manu_ frecuancy scaling??
[13:17] <EagleScreen> frequency scaling change the speed of your processor by demand to safe power on laptops, isnt it your case??
[13:17] <^Manu_> its not a maptop
[13:17] <^Manu_> laptop
[13:17] <^Manu_> and it had no real reason to save power...
[13:22] <toby_> Going blind here... how do I configure my network (manual IP) in Kubuntu? Nothing appropriate under System Settings/Network Settings
[13:24] <EagleScreen> toby_ ultimate way is write values on /etc/network/interfaces
[13:25] <EagleScreen> or you can try with networkmanag if using 8.10
[13:28] <william__> I use network manager and it works great
[13:28] <william__> it manages both my wireless and lan network connections when I am at work or at home
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> toby_: if you edit the interfaces file, no gui apps for network will work as that file will override settings
[13:29] <william__> very impressed, I never had wireless and lan configuration so easy under my last distribution
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> william__: what was your last distro?
[13:29] <william__> gentoo
[13:29] <william__> haha
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> william__: gentoo uses the same interfaces file as all the other Linux's
[13:29] <toby_> I played around with KNetworkManager but it looks like it needs to stay running to work. I'll edit /etc/network/interfaces. I'm glad I'm not going blind yet though :)
[13:30] <william__> yes, but I like KNetworkManager
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> william__: you can install knetworkmanager in gentoo
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> via the godly power of emerge
[13:30] <william__> ActionParsnip, it did not work with the wireless
[13:31] <william__> they were still using older drivers not the awl ones
[13:31] <william__> gentoo is out of date
[13:31] <william__> they don't have kde 4 either
[13:31] <william__> gentoo sucks
[13:31] <william__> they still on postgres 8.0
[13:31] <william__> it's like 5 years old!
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> i like gentoo, i use fluxbox though
[13:31] <william__> they got some serious issues over there
[13:32] <EagleScreen> gentoo is for freaks
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> runs my fileserver / torrents / amarok pretty deccently :)
[13:32] <william__> gentoo == too much politics
[13:32] <william__> I still use gentoo on my servers but would like to eventually replace with ubuntu
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> one think ubuntu does need, package selection at install time
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> i'd choose mandriva over ubuntu personally, I like both on the desktop and have them both installed
[13:34] <william__> I like ubuntu, it's simple. just install a package and off you go. Everything worked on this laptop, even the camera under skype!
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> i find it a bit clunky and full of fluff i have to wrench out
[13:34] <william__> the only thing I did do was install the latest nvidia beta driver because kde 4 felt a bit slow.
[13:35] <william__> but that will be fixed as soon as it leaves beta so will be able to apt-get it
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> kde4 is ok, kwin is ghastly but the kde apps are great
[13:35] <william__> I like kwin, it's like compiz
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> i dont like either of those
[13:36] <william__> I don't like fruit
[13:36] <meonthemoon> hey wassup people
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> werd up meonthemoon
[13:37] <meonthemoon> whats goin on round here
[13:38] <meonthemoon> ok
[13:38] <meonthemoon> guess i have to test anotha chan
[13:38] <meonthemoon> hehz
[13:40] <Niski> btw, is there a media player that would approximate the functionality of mpc on windows? that is, simple, light and runs everything and their mother
[13:41] <SlimeyPete> VLC.
[13:41] <SlimeyPete> (which, incidentally, I would use under Windows too rather than using MPC :) )
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> !player | Niski
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Niski: if you want something media centre styled try XBMC
[13:44] <Niski> vlc was the farthest thing from light when I tried it on windows, crashes every other minute, made my computer crawl with extreme slowness and had an extremely cumbersome ui, but I suppose they could have improved it a bit, this was maybe 5 years ago
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> Niski: its not for everybody
[13:45] <Niski> ActionParsnip: hey, I'll try it anyways
[13:47] <william__> often the slugish behaviour of video players is todo with codecs rather than the player itself
[13:50] <EagleScreen> How can I install qdbusviewer in Kuubntu 8.10?
[13:50] <william__> I didn't know this was on freenode
[13:51] <william__> isn't it ubuntu irc server?
[13:51] <H-Nu> how do i set the kde menu to show most recently used apps?
[13:51] <william__> H-Nu, there is a recently used tab
[13:51] <william__> the first tab is favourites
[13:51] <william__> you set favourites manually
[13:51] <^Manu_> so like, if i use my tv as the monitor, for some reason all my fonts get huge!
[13:52] <^Manu_> like 10x size//
[13:52] <william__> right click on the application you like using under the k menu and select 'add to favourites'
[13:52] <^Manu_> ie, i can fit around 8 lines of text on a 1080p display.
[13:52] <^Manu_> i think it's trying to be helpful because it detected a HDTV :/
[13:52] <H-Nu> thanks, but it used to do it in the classic view mode as well - put them at the top.  is there anyway to do that with Intrepid
[13:52] <^Manu_> since i'm on a tv, it wants to make the fonts bigger, but i don't want it to change anything!
[13:54] <william__> H-Nu, I don't think so, everything is done in tabs now
[13:54] <H-Nu> oh well, thanks anyway
[13:54] <william__> H-Nu, but if you are looking for quick access to applications why not add them to your favourites?
[13:55] <william__> in my opinion favourites are a better mechanism than most recently used
[13:55] <^Manu_> the fonts are so huge, the os is completely unusable..
[13:55] <^Manu_> and the font settings tool reports all the fonts being size 9
[13:55] <H-Nu> i guess that's what i'll end up doing.  i just kind of liked it the way it was before intrepid
[13:55] <^Manu_> its lying to me, and nothing i change has any effect :/
[13:56] <william__> ^Manu_ that sounds like a real nasty bug in Xorg probably
[13:56] <^Manu_> ffs, xorg is so busted these days..
[13:56] <^Manu_> it cant detect display modes, fonts go mental, always forgets the display settings..
[13:57] <^Manu_> lists a pile of invalid modes in the display config tool, it's a mess..
[13:57] <william__> I aggree, in my opinion xorg has gotten too overly complicated
[13:58] <Lilllyz> Hey does anyone know a program that will convert id3 tags to utf8 automatically from its current encoding. I have a bunch of mp3s with different encodings and can't seem to find a way to find out what they are and to change it over to utf8. I have tried easy tag but it doesn't seem to change it without garbling it up.
[13:58] <william__> omg someone put a blond in charge of a computer!
[13:58] <^Manu_> is there some way to fix it?
[13:59] <^Manu_> the fonts section in xorg.conf?
[13:59] <william__> Manu_, the problem could be resolution rather than font size
[13:59] <william__> I had a simliar thing happen before
[13:59] <william__> e.g: you have a really low resolutions selected so your fonts look huge!
[14:00] <william__> first thing todo if find out the exact native resolution of your hdtv and put and entry in xorg for that
[14:01] <ghostcube> hi folks me again anyone knows how to get jackd into the systemsettings sound available sources ? when using xine backend ?
[14:01] <^Manu_> its not resolution, i'm not retarded ;)
[14:02] <^Manu_> if i enable the second display (a regular dvi lcd), the fonts are mornal.. if i only have the tv connected (hdmi), the fonts turn insanely huge..
[14:02] <^Manu_> *normal
[14:06] <william__> how many displays are you using?
[14:08] <william__> ^Manu_, I think it could be your dpi settings
[14:08] <^Manu_> if i boot with only the LCD, or if i boot with the LCD and the TV, fonts are normal..
[14:08] <^Manu_> if i boot with the TV only, fonts are massive.
[14:09] <william__> you can use "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" to see what dpi X is using
[14:09] <^Manu_> where should i set that? the settings in the font config tool dont have any effect.
[14:09] <william__> do it for each different screen you have and see what values are comming back
[14:09] <^Manu_> okay just a sec
[14:09] <william__> you can control dpi with the DisplaySize option in xorg
[14:09] <^Manu_> what's DisplaySize mean?
[14:10] <^Manu_> i've seen that, but i didn't know what it did..
[14:10] <william__> it's basicly the size of your display
[14:10] <william__> ie, how bit is your screen
[14:10] <william__> so it can work out the dpi for you
[14:10] <^Manu_> err, in what section?
[14:10] <^Manu_> in Screen?
[14:11] <^Manu_> shouldn't that then just be the same as the resolution?
[14:11] <william__> you would put it in your monitor section, specifically the hdmi monitor section
[14:11] <^Manu_> every time i've seen it, the numbers have been totally irrelevant.,
[14:11] <william__> the size of you screen does not determine the resolution
[14:11] <^Manu_> oh, so '
[14:11] <^Manu_> so 'size' is referring to some sort of physical units?
[14:11] <william__> e.g: you could have 2 screen of equal resolution but on is 10" and the other a 32"
[14:11] <william__> BIG DIFFERENCE
[14:12] <william__> yes, size is the actually physical size
[14:12] <^Manu_> heh, fair enough.. i never considered it might be a physical size.
[14:12] <^Manu_> in what measurement?
[14:13] <william__> it's in mm
[14:13] <william__> not the diagonal but both x and y measurements
[14:13] <william__> e.g:  DisplaySize 400 300
[14:14] <william__> ie 400mmx300mm
[14:14] <xxploit> question: I'm using kubuntu 8.10 with the 4.2 beta and I was working if there is some kind of tweak for the menus, like the main menu/right click menu/and all others. Im using open desktop effect in kde 4.2 and the menus seems sluggish and glitchy.
[14:15] <william__> ^Manu_, depending on your driver it may try and determine DisplaySize automatically and get it wrong.
[14:15] <^Manu_> what section?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> xxploit: kmenuedit
[14:15] <william__> you can display stuff like DCC and DPMS to set these things manually
[14:15] <^Manu_> in Monitor i guess in that case?
[14:15] <william__> all under the monitor section I think
[14:16] <xxploit> ActionParsnip: isn't that just the menu editor? My problem is basically that menus kind of lag and flicker
[14:17] <william__> xxploit sounds like my problem with nvidia drivers
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> xxploit: oic, my bad
[14:18] <xxploit> yeh im using nvidia etc..my system isn't slow at all even though kde is kind of giving the appearance as if it were
[14:19] <^Manu_> cool, i gave it the proper DisplaySize and now it's correct.. thanks! :)
[14:19] <^Manu_> actually, i wouldn't say it's 'correct'... now the fonts are microscopic ;)
[14:20] <^Manu_> but increasing the font dpi helped :P
[14:23] <william__> your welcome
[14:23] <william__> xxploit, which version of nvidia drivers are you using
[14:24] <william__> xxploit, I recommend installing the latest beta drivers from the nvidia site using the nvidia install script
[14:24] <xxploit> 177..latest restricted
[14:24] <william__> remove your current 177 packages
[14:25] <william__> and then download and run the install scripts from the nvidia site
[14:25] <xxploit> william__: yeh I might give that a go and see if it helps
[14:25] <william__> it make my computer soooooo much faster
[14:25] <william__> I got spinings cubes and lightning fast plasma and window switching
[14:25] <william__> 180 works great with opengl rendering and share memory pixmaps too
[14:26] <^Manu_> next problem... my 1080p display mode seems to be shifted off the right hand side of the screen..
[14:26] <^Manu_> is this a modeline problem? :/
[14:26] <william__> ah, that often suggests a slightly bad DisplaySize setting
[14:27] <william__> remember to measure the viewable area, not your entire screen!
[14:27] <william__> lol
[14:29] <^Manu_> yes, i did
[14:29] <^Manu_> i measured it correctly, within 1-2 mm..
[14:29] <^Manu_> the whole screen's just shifted a little to the right..
[14:30] <^Manu_> theres a black column on the left, and the right hand side of the screen is off the right hand edge.. :/
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu_: can you shift it with OSD?
[14:30] <william__> oh,.... hmmm could be settings on the screen itself
[14:31] <^Manu_> whats osd?
[14:31] <^Manu_> oh..
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> On Screen Display
[14:31] <^Manu_> no.. no osd on the tv..
[14:31] <^Manu_> and that's silly anyway..
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> so you can shift the display round with the monitor itself
[14:31] <^Manu_> it's an atsc 1080p signal, the tv should map it correctly..
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu_: try, it might be silly enough to work
[14:31] <^Manu_> if the tv's rendering it wrong, i expect it's not getting quite a correct signal.
[14:32] <^Manu_> i'd rather fix it properly..
[14:32] <william__> ah, Manu, for best results with DisplaySize you need to take the resolution and multiply by the dot pitch
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> well its worth trying just to test the system is outputting all of the signal
[14:32] <^Manu_> err
[14:32] <william__> e.g:  1600x1200 with a dotpitch of 0.255mm is DisplaySize 408 306
[14:33] <william__> try that first
[14:33] <^Manu_> i'm confident it is, since the right hand side of the screen is chopped off ;)
[14:33] <^Manu_> hrmm, don't know the dot pitch ;)
[14:33] <william__> imo, it is a displaySize setting here
[14:33] <william__> Manu, do you have a model number of your screen?
[14:33] <^Manu_> okay, i'll try and find a dot pitch
[14:34] <william__> what screen to you have?
[14:35] <^Manu_> well i guess i can calculate it by size/res ;)
[14:36] <william__> Manu, what is your screen model?
[14:36] <^Manu_> 120mm/1920 = 0.0625
[14:36] <^Manu_> samsung la46f
[14:36] <william__> I can't find that model
[14:36] <william__> you sure it is la46f?
[14:37] <william__> not le?
[14:37] <^Manu_> anyway, it's obviously 0.0625 ;)
[14:38] <^Manu_> 1200mm/1920 = 0.0625, which means the vertical would be 675mm
[14:41] <^Manu_> nope, no difference..
[14:41] <^Manu_> still horizontally shifted..
[14:48] <^Manu_> i just tweaked the horizontal timing of the 1080p modeline, and it's back on the screen again...
[14:48] <^Manu_> :/
[14:48] <Zehava> is it possible to search for a string within an entire directory and remove that string where ever it's found?
[14:48] <^Manu_> i'm a little worried, i used the ATSC standard modelines.. i don't know why the atsc standard modelines would produce a non-standard signal..
[14:49] <^Manu_> (ie, the ps3 and 360 aren't shifted off the screen, obviously something linux/video driver related)
[14:49] <william__> Manu, yes, It is something that you can configure in xorg
[14:50] <^Manu_> what is?
[14:51] <william__> it is something in your modeline
[14:51] <ruzaimi> Manu !
[14:51] <ruzaimi> hello
[14:51] <^Manu_> like i just said, i was using the standard atsc modelines, and that gave me the shifted picture..
[14:51] <william__> you can use xvidtune to generate modelines for you
[14:51] <^Manu_> i tweaked the horizontal timing, and that moved it back onto the screen..
[14:51] <ruzaimi> how to install real player in kubuntu
[14:51] <^Manu_> why would the atsc timings be wrong? they define the HDTV standard..
[14:51] <^Manu_> precisely what the tv should expect to receive..
[14:52] <^Manu_> either linux or the display driver must be doing something slightly not right with them
[14:53] <william__> Manu, I found this similiar problem that someone had  http://fixunix.com/xwindows/91788-x-org-horizontal-screen-position-setting.html
[14:54] <^Manu_> http://fixunix.com/xwindows/91788-x-org-horizontal-screen-position-setting.html
[14:54] <^Manu_> these are the ratified standard timings...
[14:54] <^Manu_> i'm interested in the hdtv timings obviously, so i can map 1:1 to my screen, and the 59.94 hz stuff so there's no jitter in video playback..
[14:55] <^Manu_> just weird that they don't 'just work'... the driver must not be respecting those timings exactly..
[14:55] <^Manu_> which is a bit scary..
[14:55] <william__> Manu, does redusing the x value of DisplaySize not help at all?
[14:55] <william__> DisplaySize x y
[14:55] <^Manu_> nar, that's unrelated.. tweaking the horizontal timing fixed it..
[14:55] <william__> leave the y size as is and reduce the x size
[14:55] <^Manu_> i set the hsync to be a little later..
[14:56] <william__> oh well done
[14:56] <^Manu_> thing is, i would expect consumer hardware like the ps3 and 360 would stick with the atsc standard very strictly..
[14:56] <^Manu_> so i'm surprised when i set the standard timings that the tv didn't display it correctly..
[14:56] <^Manu_> i don't like that.
[14:56] <^Manu_> it means i can't trust the driver/xorg..
[14:56] <william__> yes, that sucks
[14:57] <william__> well the auto screen detection is obviously broken for your tv but don't be too quick to blame linux
[14:58] <^Manu_> i'm not using the auto stuff anymore.. my xorg.conf is very thorough :P
[14:58] <william__> often you will find that linux is adhering to the standard but this particular samsung is not. so what happens is that popular operating systems like windows will have a workaround inbuild for this but linux does not
[14:58] <^Manu_> why would the tv render the ps3, 360, and set top box correctly?
[14:58] <^Manu_> i'll assume they stick with the standard.
[14:58] <william__> that's true
[14:58] <^Manu_> anyway, its fixed for the time being..
[14:59] <william__> in which case it is a problem with the xorg driver you are using
[14:59] <^Manu_> my screens good now. boots into the correct modes and stuff..
[14:59] <^Manu_> next problem ;)
[14:59] <^Manu_> my sound isn't working at all :(
[14:59] <william__> if it is an opensource driver you should try and report a bug
[14:59] <^Manu_> its the intel driver, so yeah..
[14:59] <william__> ie, autodetection not working with your tv
[14:59] <^Manu_> oh right..
[14:59] <^Manu_> yeah that too.. it's totally messed up. :P
[14:59] <^Manu_> where do i report that stuff?
[15:00] <william__> somewhere at xorg probably for an intel driver
[15:00] <^Manu_> so kmix shows i have a sound card, looks like its working, audio players play music, seems like the os is doing something... but no sound...
[15:00] <^Manu_> it's an intel HDAudio which should be muxed into the HDMI...
[15:00] <^Manu_> but i'll bet i have to configure the HDMI somehow :/
[15:00] <^Manu_> google isn't helping me :(
[15:01] <^Manu_> is there alsa config type stuff that i'll need to mess with here?
[15:01] <william__> it is worth taking the time to report bugs (ie, take out the fix you put in your xorg.conf file. restart x, save your xorg.0.log and send it over to xorg with your monitor model
[15:01] <william__> the xorg log will have details of the monitor autodetection and what it is setting the displaysize too etc...
[15:01] <Zehava> is it possible to search for a string within an entire directory and remove that string where ever it's found?
[15:04] <^Manu_> okay, well i'll do that later on :P
[15:04] <^Manu_> i'm just keen to get this system working before bed :P
[15:04] <william__> Zehava, sed on the command line in combination with find
[15:04] <^Manu_> any idea about the sound?
[15:04] <william__> oh the audio
[15:05] <william__> I have never done audio through hdmi
[15:05] <Zehava> I'll google those, thanks
[15:05] <william__> didn't know it was possible ;-)
[15:05] <diego_> hola
[15:05] <^Manu_> course it's possible :P .. that's the whole point! :)
[15:06] <william__> Manu, I got same audio hardware here
[15:06] <william__> are you on a laptop?
[15:06] <^Manu_> i google and i just get things like "here's a patch" ... "patch submitted to alsa some months ago", etc..
[15:06] <^Manu_> nope.
[15:06] <^Manu_> Intel HDAudio is their most recent integrated chip though.
[15:06] <^Manu_> its a good chip.
[15:07] <^Manu_> theres a bonus bit that the driver has to do though, which is mux it with the HDMI..
[15:07] <william__> there is no mention of hdmi in my mixer
[15:07] <^Manu_> you probably don't have HDMI..
[15:07] <william__> I have the hdmi connector on the left of my laptop ;-)
[15:07] <^Manu_> oh right..
[15:07] <^Manu_> new vaio?
[15:07] <william__> no left
[15:07] <william__> dell xps m1530
[15:07] <^Manu_> ah okay..
[15:07] <^Manu_> yeah same shit..
[15:08] <^Manu_> so, there's a way to get it working.
[15:08] <^Manu_> the internets say so..
[15:08] <^Manu_> but i'm too much of a linux spastic to understand :(
[15:08] <william__> ic
[15:08] <william__> well, the ubuntu kernel is very up to date so it may have something in there already
[15:09] <william__> or it's a patch for snd-hda-intel.ko
[15:10] <^Manu_> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-01/msg11844.html
[15:10] <^Manu_> see this sort of things is everywhere..
[15:10] <^Manu_> how do i know if that code's made it into alsa?
[15:11] <william__> hmm, I found this in ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-914925.html
[15:13] <william__> oh wait
[15:13] <^Manu_> oh yeah, i meant to ask, what's XvMC, and how do i make sure its running?
[15:13] <william__> I do already have it, it's the IEC958 thingy
[15:13] <william__> Id duno what XvMC is
[15:13] <^Manu_> apparently its a hardware assisted video codec..
[15:13] <^Manu_> some linux codec interface or something.
[15:13] <^Manu_> and intel has a hardware assisted backend.
[15:14] <^Manu_> i have that IEC958 thing too, but it doesn't do anything..
[15:15] <^Manu_> or do i need to manually configure alsa to use that audio output?
[15:16] <william__> oh wait
[15:16] <william__> it is your sound in combination with your intel graphics card driver
[15:16] <^Manu_> in a sense..
[15:17] <william__> you need to make sure you have the IEC958 setting unmuted on your sound mixer
[15:17] <^Manu_> the sound output can be muxed with the video and send over hdmi.
[15:17] <^Manu_> it is.
[15:17] <william__> then you need to do some shit with your graphics card
[15:17] <jussi01> !ohmy | william__
[15:18] <william__> oh sorry,
[15:18] <william__> then you need to do some stuff with your graphics card
[15:18] <^Manu_> you reckon?
[15:18] <^Manu_> i don't imagine the video driver would need to know about it...
[15:18] <^Manu_> but aybe..
[15:18] <^Manu_> maybe
[15:18] <william__> yeah, for me on my nvidia card I need to change sound settings from auto to STAC92xx digital
[15:19] <cllaudyu> can someone help me?
[15:19] <khakane> wow what an easy question to answer.  YES!
[15:19] <khakane> have a nice day
[15:19] <^Manu_> eh?
[15:20] <^Manu_> wheres that?
[15:20] <cllaudyu> i can't install nvidia driver from the installer can i install it in the therminal?
[15:20] <khakane> mmm terminal.. for when its cold outside
[15:20] <khakane> therminal!
[15:20] <jimmy51_> !dvdrip | jimmy51_
[15:20] <cllaudyu> u'r full of jokes today
[15:20] <cllaudyu> terminal
[15:20] <^Manu_> on your nvidia card, you set sound settings? O_o
[15:20] <william__> you'll need todo something simliar with your intel card, maybe even set some driver option in your modules config file
[15:21] <^Manu_> ... where did you set that?
[15:21] <william__> yeah, on my nvidia card I have a gui settings manager thingy
[15:21] <^Manu_> hmm
[15:21] <cllaudyu> i can't install my nvidia display driver from the net
[15:21] <william__> but you will have something different on yours
[15:21] <^Manu_> i don't have any video settings..
[15:21] <^Manu_> is there a standard one to install?
[15:21] <cllaudyu> the installer isn't downloading nothing
[15:21] <william__> can we say poo?
[15:21] <^Manu_> or should that be provided (or not) from intel?
[15:22] <cllaudyu> how can i install it in the terminal?
[15:22] <^Manu_> well, my final issue from the evening... how do i make kubuntu NOT boot kdm, and boot something else instead?
[15:22] <jimmy51_> !dvd::rip | jimmy51_
[15:22] <^Manu_> (in this case, xbmc)
[15:22] <Melanchol> Hello, i just installed Kubuntu 8.10, and i cant get my Nvidia 8400M G graphics card working
[15:22] <william__> !ohmy
[15:23] <cllaudyu> my ghrafic driver does not activate what is the problem?
[15:23] <william__> Melanchol, I recomend downloading and running the latest install script from the nvidia website. it will generate a correct xorg.conf for you too
[15:24] <william__> Melanchol, does any of the above make sence or are you a total noob?
[15:24] <Melanchol> Total noob :D
[15:24] <Melanchol> I get point like nvidia website and xorg.conf :D
[15:25] <william__> ok, here's the thing... the current official nvidia drivers 177 are kinda slow with kde 4 for most users.
[15:25] <Melanchol> Noticed that, yes :)
[15:25] <cllaudyu> this would be easier for me if this channel was with romanians
[15:25] <william__> the new nvidia drivers 180 are still in beta but are very stable anyway
[15:25] <jimmy51_> !romanian
[15:26] <jimmy51_> !romanian | cllaudyu
[15:26] <^Manu_> http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01837.html
[15:26] <william__> so I recomend removing your nvidia 177 driver packages from apt and installing the 180 drivers from nvidia.com
[15:26] <^Manu_> :/
[15:26] <jimmy51_> ubottu is witty
[15:26] <Melanchol> william__: ill try. thanks :)
[15:26] <cllaudyu> i tried to open hardware drivers and tried to activate nvidia display graphic card but it wont install or download nothing can some one help me
[15:28] <william__> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[15:28] <cllaudyu> hardware drivers does not respond how the hell can i install nvidia on kubuntu 8.10
[15:28] <khakane> cllaudyu: by joining #ubuntu-ro
[15:29] <cllaudyu> thank u verry muci
[15:29] <khakane> and learning to read, someone told you to join there 3 mins ago
[15:29] <cllaudyu> i konw but that did not help
[15:29] <khakane> even in romanian
[15:29] <^Manu_> william__: http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01837.html <- how can i know if i'm running drivers with that code in it?
[15:29] <cllaudyu> know
[15:29] <cllaudyu> that channel is empty
[15:29] <cllaudyu> lame
[15:30] <khakane> nah, lame is asking your question 20 times in 10 mins. :|
[15:30] <william__> Manu, what does aplay -l  tell you?
[15:31] <jussi01> How does one list the existing groups from the commandline?
[15:31] <cllaudyu> this is getting anoying
[15:31] <khakane> jussi01: cat /etc/group ?
[15:32] <jussi01> khakane: ahh, thanks
[15:32] <khakane> np
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Hey
[15:33] <william__> Manu, it looks like you need the latest xf86-video-intel
[15:33] <khakane> yea and that package is very lacking on intel driver performance
[15:34] <william__> oh poo
[15:34] <william__> !ohmy
[15:34] <^Manu_> aplay -l doesn't mention hdmi
[15:34] <^Manu_> do i need to compile that from source or something?
[15:34] <^Manu_> or is there a binary for 8.10?
[15:35] <william__> I don't know but I bet it is in a developement repository somewhere
[15:35] <william__> to be honest Manu getting this working looks a bit long winded atm
[15:35] <^Manu_> how do i find what version of the driver i'm running currently?
[15:36] <william__> oh, you can find that out with modprobe
[15:37] <^Manu_> ...
[15:38] <Melanchol> william__: is there way manually to disable drivers, Restricted Drivers manager wont let me to disable
[15:40] <^Manu_> i can't work out how to make modprobe tell me anything useful :S
[15:42]  * BluesKaj wonders where all the app help files are located ...there don't seem to be any useful ones in kde4.2 for apps like k3b
[15:43] <khakane> who would need help using k3b? :)
[15:44] <^Manu_> okay, so how to i tell kubuntu to boot another app instead of kdm?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> there's a way to use k3b to ripdvds (decode) to hdd without having go the iso route
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I want to copy a dvd to mpeg 2 or 4 so that I can play it on my tivo thru our home network
[15:46] <Melanchol> How do i turn of X?
[15:46] <jussi01> !info k9copy | BluesKaj
[15:46] <jussi01> !info dvdrip | BluesKaj
[15:46] <BluesKaj> jussi01 , yeah I know k9copy , but it doesn't do what i want
[15:47] <BluesKaj> same goes for dvdrip
[15:47] <jussi01> anyone know how to fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/100395/
[15:47] <khakane> http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding
[15:47] <khakane> ^ BluesKaj
[15:47] <Niski> does anyone know of a good (operative word here) guide to editing the grub menu to set up a dual boot system
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I'm up against some difficult to copy disney dvds ..and these dvds' confuse the hell out of k9copy and dvdrip
[15:48] <Niski> google gives me alternatively ancient, or lousy articles on it
[15:48] <SiVA_> I just put a PCMCIA wireless card into my laptop. Is something supposed to happen in ubuntu? how do I tell if this thing is working?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> !grub
[15:49] <jussi01> BluesKaj: oh, also vlc can do it iirc
[15:49] <^Manu_> how do i make another app boot instead of kdm?
[15:49] <khakane> remove kdm and install a different one
[15:50] <jussi01> ^Manu_: iirc, install the other dm ie. gdm, then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[15:50] <afeijo> is it safe to use cron to run apt-get upgrade every week on my servers?
[15:50] <SiVA_> any special I need to do to enable pcmcia?
[15:51] <Melanchol> I cant install my graphics driver because x-server is on, how do i turn it off
[15:51] <afeijo> and I have a problem with libcurl-gnutls.so.4, where can I get that file?
[15:51] <william__> Manu, I'm new to kubuntu but on most distributions you can control your runlevels and which applications run in each runlevel
[15:51] <khakane> afeijo: sure but what if a package prompts you?
[15:51] <afeijo> khakane: than I'm screwd lol
[15:52] <afeijo> khakane: dont apt-get have a YES TO ALL ?
[15:52] <khakane> !libcurl4-gnutls
[15:53] <afeijo> !libcurl4
[15:53] <william__> ah, Manu, on ubuntu your runlevels are under /etc/rc*.d
[15:53] <william__> your default runlevel is runlevel 2 I think
[15:53] <afeijo> my amarok dont run without libcurl-gnutls.so.4 :(
[15:53] <khakane> there is libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[15:53] <william__> notice that the files under /etc/rc2.d are just symbolic links to one of your services under /etc/init.d
[15:54] <khakane> ariva: i use amarok and i only have libcurl3 installed
[15:54] <jussi01> khakane: you need the !info packagename ;)
[15:54] <william__> so to remove kdm from your default runlevel you could just do rm /etc/rc2.d/S30kdm
[15:54] <khakane> jussi01: ah
[15:54] <william__> I'm not sure if kubuntu has some kinda gui runlevel editor
[15:54] <william__> I would assume it does
[15:55] <BluesKaj> jussi01 the new version of VLC doesn't seem to be as easy to use as the older versions ...I tried to rip the disney dvd with it but it just crashes
[15:55] <khakane> BluesKaj: did you read the Url i posted you?
[15:55] <jussi01> the joys of protected dvd's
[15:56] <Melanchol> william__: it helped a bit, but this is still awful!
[15:56] <BluesKaj> yeah khakane , I'm looking now
[15:56] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:58] <^Manu_> hmmm
[15:58] <^Manu_> i thought the xserver started the dm..
[15:58] <william__> Melanchol, you have the 180 driver?
[15:59] <^Manu_> so is the xserver started before the dm?
[15:59] <^Manu_> i want to launch xbmc
[15:59] <william__> Manu, other way around, kdm can launch xserver if you like
[15:59] <Melanchol> william__: ya, now i do
[15:59] <william__> Manu, do you have xbmc in your /etc/init.d directory?
[16:00] <william__> Melanchol, you restarted X?
[16:00] <^Manu_> nope
[16:00] <Melanchol> Ya
[16:00] <Melanchol> i mean i rebooted my computer if that is the same
[16:00] <william__> ok, under your settings make sure you are using opengl rendering
[16:00] <chris_> hi
[16:01] <william__> system settings -> Desktop -> Advanced options
[16:02] <chris_> i am using hardy with kde 3.5 (cause those nvidia drivers are just horrible) and i wanna use compiz as well. everytime i start up kde, it takes ages for it to come up. it just stalls for minutes for no obvious reason. any ideas?
[16:02] <william__> you should have opengl rendering, direct rendering, and opengl mode 'shared memory' enable for best performance
[16:02] <cuznt> what about self rendering
[16:03] <cuznt> no im kidding
[16:03] <william__> Manu, then you are can create and ~/.xsessions file that launches it and start xserver from kdm
[16:03] <william__> I think
[16:03] <william__> hehe
[16:04] <Melanchol> And yet again, just a bit better
[16:06] <Melanchol> I turned direct rendering off and now this works like chars
[16:06] <Melanchol> charm
[16:06] <^Manu_> well see heres the thing, i don't actually want kde running at all.
[16:07] <cuznt> what!?!?!?!
[16:07] <cuznt> no kde?
[16:08]  * cuznt loves his kde
[16:09] <^Manu_> its a funnscreen ap.
[16:09] <^Manu_> fullscreen
[16:09] <william__> Melanchol, that's weird, sounds like a driver configuration problem
[16:10] <william__> Melanchol, try running glxinfo
[16:10] <CrypTom> Hi all, how can I setup kdm to automatically login into kde (for new users)? I've installed KDE and GNOME on my LTSP server and new users always get GNOME first.
[16:10] <chris_> does anybody have performance issues with compiz-fusion in kde 3.5? (does anybody still use kde 3.5?)
[16:10] <william__> Manu, sounds like a media center app or something similiar?
[16:11] <Melanchol> http://pastebin.com/m49bb2573
[16:13] <^Manu_> yup
[16:16] <william__> Melanchol, everything looks good there. Very strange that your direct rendering option is slow under kde
[16:16] <william__> Melanchol what is your fps from glxgears?
[16:16] <Melanchol> 1400
[16:17] <chris_> how is the channel called for kubuntu and compiz related questions?
[16:17] <william__> Melanchol, did you run glxgears with 'sudo glxgears'
[16:17] <william__> one will have dri and the other will not
[16:17] <Melanchol> nope
[16:18] <Melanchol> round 1200
[16:18] <william__> so glxgears confirms it, on your computer dri is slower
[16:18] <william__> HAHA!
[16:19] <GreydMiyu> Anyone know how to kill knotify4 to the point where it will stay DEAD?
[16:19] <Melanchol> dri
[16:19] <william__> something wrong with your xorg configuration I think
[16:19] <Melanchol> ?
[16:19] <william__> direct rendering support
[16:19] <donko> hi
[16:19] <Melanchol> brb, pastebinning xorg.conf
[16:19] <william__> I get around 1400 with no direct rendering under glxgears but I get about 2000 with direct rendering
[16:20] <Melanchol> Ubuntu has gedit, what is similar program for kubuntu
[16:21] <GreydMiyu> kate
[16:21] <william__> kedit
[16:21] <Melanchol> kts
[16:21] <Melanchol> thx
[16:21] <william__> kate has some extra features like sessions
[16:21] <william__> and plugin support
[16:22] <Melanchol> http://pastebin.com/m77837b8c
[16:22] <william__> Melanchol, that looks fine, can I have your xorg.0.log too please
[16:22] <william__> under /var/logs/
[16:23] <GreydMiyu> So, noone know how to stop that very, very annoying popup notification crap over the tray?
[16:24] <william__> Melanchol your xorg.conf is very similiar to mine and does not really enforce anything so you driver will pretty much autoconfigure whatever hardware it finds
[16:24] <Melanchol> http://pastebin.com/m5dd010c
[16:25] <Melanchol> brb, smoke
[16:26] <william__> Melanchol, what is your computer/laptop?
[16:30] <compilerwriter> anybody feel like making a package for me?
[16:31] <Melanchol> Now i got it! :D I installed 32bit and im runing AMD 64 :D
[16:31] <william__> Melanchol, ah, that would explain it then
[16:32] <Melanchol> Thanks for all your help :)
[16:32] <william__> you xorg.0.log looks fine btw
[16:32] <Melanchol> kk :)
[16:33] <Rene2177> hi :)
[16:33] <SiVA_> hey
[16:34] <SiVA_> I put in a USB wifi card into my ubuntu laptop. dmesg reports finding it. Not sure how to setup a wifi connection using it though?
[16:34] <Rene2177> is there no german kubuntu chanel like kubuntu.de ?
[16:35] <william__> SiVA, what is your usb device?
[16:35] <SiVA_> linksys wusb600n
[16:38] <Rene2177> ok, i'll try it in englisch :) Does anybody has the same problem on kubuntu with any kde 4 Version that he gets recently thrown back to the login screen ?
[16:39] <SiVA_> man this sucks.. internal wifi doesn't work. PCMCIA card doesn't work, and now USB wifi doesn't work. Guess this old laptop is destined for win XP
[16:40] <william__> the linksys wusb600n does not appear to work with ubuntu out of the box but there is a modified driver available for the usb version
[16:40] <william__> you will need to download and make it yourself
[16:41] <Rene2177> i have this on my native booted installed system and also on livesystem booted in virtual box under windows
[16:41] <SiVA_> william__ I think I just tried that. Did you have a link to the driver you're referring to?
[16:43] <william__> you will find them at the linsys website
[16:43] <SiVA_> william__ how do I tell if this thing is even working or not? lsusb reports finding it
[16:43] <william__> so you have the driver installed and loaded into your kernel?
[16:43] <Zehava> I have downloaded and extracted the latest sun java jdk from sun.  How do I change my java path for my system?
[16:44] <SiVA_> I followed the instructions here but not sure: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/45440
[16:44] <william__> once you have the driver for this device loaded you will automatically see a new wireless inteface appear in iwconfig
[16:44] <SiVA_> william__ yes
[16:44] <SiVA_> I built the driver installed it, put it in /etc/modules and restarted
[16:44] <william__> what does iwconfig tell you
[16:44] <william__> SiVA, that does not mean the driver is loaded
[16:45] <william__> the system will autoload modules in most cases but it will probably not in this instance since it is a usb device
[16:45] <SiVA_> lo, eth0, eth1, pan0
[16:45] <SiVA_> no wireless extensions for all
[16:46] <william__> type lsmod | grep 'netr28ux'
[16:46] <SiVA_> nothing
[16:46] <SiVA_> I thought the driver was differnet then that though
[16:46] <william__> that means your netr28ux driver has not been loaded
[16:47] <SiVA_> rt280sta
[16:47] <SiVA_> that's the one I built
[16:47] <william__> ah, maybe it is
[16:47] <william__> type lsmod | grep 'rt280sta'
[16:47] <SiVA_> nothing returned
[16:48] <william__> ok, now try loading that module with modprobe rt280sta
[16:48] <william__> sorry
[16:48] <william__> sudo modprobe rt280sta
[16:48] <SiVA_> weird
[16:48] <SiVA_> not found
[16:48] <william__> try modprobenetr28ux
[16:48] <SiVA_> this site: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/45440
[16:49] <SiVA_> it says to copy the driver to /etc/Wireless/RT2870STA directory
[16:49] <SiVA_> I thought the /etc/Wireless looked strange
[16:49] <william__> SiVA, you need to find out what the name of the module is and where you installed it
[16:49] <william__> and you module will be installed under /lib/modules but you may have some kinda firmware install under /etc/Wirelesss/RT28... too
[16:51] <SiVA_> I will do those directions again
[16:51] <SiVA_> at: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/45440
[16:52] <Zehava> Isn't there a GUI package I can get for setting my java path? I forget the name of it
[16:53] <SiVA_> william__ I think it works now... I did insmod again and now iwconfig shows ra0 device
[16:53] <SiVA_> now how do I setup a new wireless connection using this device?
[16:53] <SiVA_> iwlist ra0 scan shows my wireless router
[16:53] <william__> then you are done
[16:54] <william__> install knetworkmanager if you don't already have it
[16:54] <SiVA_> it says wireless is disabled
[16:54] <william__> that just means you have not connected to a wireless network
[16:55] <william__> click on new connection
[16:55] <william__> select the wireless interface ra0
[16:55] <william__> ....
[16:55] <william__> it should do the rest for you
[16:55] <SiVA_> cool thanks
[16:56] <william__> working?
[16:56] <SiVA_> yup!!!!
[16:56] <SiVA_> 9 hours later
[16:56] <SiVA_> stupid internal wifi isn't working... keeps saying the KILL switch is turned on
[16:56] <SiVA_> so I gave up on that
[16:56] <william__> SiVA, I recommend loading the driver at boot
[16:57] <william__> the alternative is to edit your hal config to load it for you
[16:57] <william__> but loading it at boot is easiest
[16:58] <william__> just add rt2870sta to the end of your /etc/modules file on a new line
[16:59] <dwidmann> Hmm, I had to reinstall grub (was playing with pcbsd a while back), but I think I goofed when I was doing it. Grub is definitely installed to the boot sector, but it just gives me a grub shell ... Doing "root (hd0,1); configfile /grub/menu.lst" works fine, but it's a hassle, what do I need ta do here?
[17:00] <Zehava> How do I set my java path globaly please
[17:01] <william__> dwidmann, sounds like you need to reinstall grub
[17:01] <william__> if you have 2 hard drives make sure you install it on both drives
[17:05] <dr_willis> ive done that befor. :) installed grub to every hd in the system to make sure i got it on the right one
[17:14] <Zehava> What is the best method for setting my java class path permanently and globaly please?
[17:16] <dr_willis> Zehava,  why do you need to do so? You could set it in the .bashrc or /etc/profile I guess.. but ive never had to touch that befor
[17:16] <dr_willis> It gets set properly when you install the Java packages normally
[17:17] <Zehava> the repositories don't have the most up to date java jdk and the code I'm working with calls on things that aren't in what's available
[17:17] <Zehava> So I need the newest one that I've downloaded
[17:20] <dr_willis> use the .bashrc or .bash_profile or /etc/profile then to set the ENV vari
[17:32] <besitzer_> hello have you time ?
[17:32] <besitzer_> you , you and you (hihii)
[17:32] <besitzer_> you , you and you (hihii)
[17:32] <coltin> hey everyone I was just wondering, if there are any times where there are some seasoned ubuntu professionals on here, cuz it seems every time i come on with a problem, I get a bunch of people who know about the same amount as me (not much) guessing the already obvious stuff lol
[17:34] <william__> oh sorry coltin, you just missed me
[17:34] <dr_willis> its often a matter of 'experienced the same problem befor, and trouble shooting fundamentals' coltin  :)
[17:35] <dr_willis> Of course most of the problems ive seen lately are either due to driver (nvidia/ati) issues.  Or issues with the new changes to how X auto configures. or due to the changes in the wireless drivers system
[17:38] <ghostcube> any news for nvidia 180.x in intrepid ?? kde4 on an 8600gt isnt working this way if uenable compiz
[17:47] <nethans> hi guys.
[17:47] <d-tech> could not stat /dev/cciss/c0d01 --- no such file or directory
[17:47] <nethans> can I ask a question._
[17:47] <nethans> ?
[17:48] <nethans> its just that I had done a lot of things in my ubuntu..and sometimes I broke down the system.. so I would like to know if there is a way to backit up...
[17:48] <nethans> something like system restore.. in windows.
[17:52] <marco> How can I define default permissions for vfat removable devices?
[17:53] <marco> also, what's the program/package/script responsible for auto mounting devices on ubuntu?
[18:23] <denis_> !de
[18:43] <shb> anyone know how to properly resize ogg video?
[18:43] <dr_willis> define properly ? :)
[18:43] <dr_willis> ffmpeg/mencoder/avidmux can all proberly do it
[18:43] <dr_willis> bbl
[18:44] <shb> I got a video that is 1400+1050
[18:44] <shb> 1400x1050
[18:44] <shb> is should be 1024x768 for example
[18:45] <shb> it is ogg video
[18:45] <shb> from recordmydesktop
[18:53] <lupinsky> i have tried kubuntu 8.10 in a eeepc 1000 but there's often some flickering in the area where the applications open or close (ie firefox) any help?
[18:58] <user_> irc.ubuntu.it
[18:59] <user_> ehm
[18:59] <user_> come ci si va?
[19:01] <lupinsky> i ho prova to adesso ubuntu-it-doc
[19:02] <lupinsky> c'e' pure ubuntu-it
[19:02] <denis_> !de
[19:05] <heide99> Hi there :)
[19:06] <heide99> did somebody run the kubuntu 8.10 on a eee 901 ??
[19:06] <lupinsky> i did in eee1000
[19:07] <lupinsky> actually i do
[19:07] <heide99> i woukd like to know how big the install size is cause it only has 4 gb harddisk
[19:07] <user_> #ubuntu-it
[19:08] <heide99> do you use swap space ??
[19:08] <Guest88405> hello ppl, pls help, I cannot open a folder as root under Kubuntu 8.10
[19:08] <Guest88405> any suggestions please?
[19:09] <HappySmileMan> Guest88405: Alt+F2, then "kdesu dolphin" should work
[19:09] <HappySmileMan> Oh wait, just did that and get error when trying to open the folders
[19:10] <Guest88405> it sais "kdesu: command not found"
[19:10] <lupinsky> heide99:i do but i have a 160gb hd
[19:10] <HappySmileMan> Erm, not too sure then, kdesu should be installed by default I think
[19:11] <heide99> Okay Thank You i know the 1000h has 160 gb hard disk
[19:11] <heide99> but 901 only has a 4 gb ssd
[19:11] <Guest88405> it's a drama, I have no option to open a folder as root
[19:11] <Guest88405> wow
[19:11] <Guest88405> cool
[19:12] <heide99> my questeion is how big is the install sice from kubuntu more than 2 gigs ??
[19:12] <heide99> Laughing Out Loud
[19:12] <Guest88405> I'd better stick with my old 8.04
[19:12] <heide99> has the 804 also kde 4 ??
[19:12] <Guest88405> mine nope
[19:13] <lupinsky> a df on my pc give me 3GB
[19:13] <Guest88405> but what's the point...I'm interrested in functionality not necesarilly graphics
[19:13] <heide99> Thank You :)
[19:13] <heide99> i will give it a try
[19:13] <SlimeyPete> 8.04 has kde 3.5. 8.04 remix has kde 4.
[19:14] <heide99> Thank You :)
[19:14] <lupinsky> but it takes almost a GB ot ram
[19:14] <heide99> my has 2 gb ram
[19:14] <heide99> my 901
[19:14] <Guest88405> kde4 is the same with kde 4.1???
[19:18]  * VirtuoS Srekni Novogodisni I bozikni praznici
[19:19] <Guest88405> hey ppl, do u have any idea why a webcam wouldn't work in kubuntu 8.10 and perfectly work under previous kubuntu versions?
[19:20] <Guest88405> I mean...is kubuntu itself the problem or is it kde 4.1 the problem
[19:20] <Guest88405> ???
[19:22] <altctrl> hi guys help me
[19:23] <marco> what's the program/package/script responsible for auto mounting devices in (k)ubuntu?
[19:23] <heide99> Laughing Out Loud No problem No solution HeHeHe
[19:23] <altctrl> i have this checking battery state right after when i lose the windows and i have to relog again and again it is like hitting ctl alt backspace randonly.... extremely annoying
[19:24] <altctrl> what is wrong and how can i fix it?
[19:26] <altctrl> anyone?
[19:28] <altctrl> my x dies and i get a messege checking battery state.... what to do?
[19:33] <altctrl> now i was gone again becasue of this error
[19:34] <altctrl> anyone has any idea what to do?
[19:35] <OrbJinzo> are you on a laptop?
[19:36] <altctrl> who me? i am
[19:36] <robile> does anyone know a plugin for xmms to show the available playlists in an extra window or so?
[19:36] <OrbJinzo> Well I would make sure your battery isnt screwed up first.
[19:37] <Koordin> how can i set up a keyboard shortcut for the widget "Show Desktop" ? i have kde 4.1.3
[19:37] <altctrl> it is ok i never had this problem before i upgraded from 8.04
[19:37] <altctrl> and actually what happned first that i did the network upgrade and it stopped after it was downloading everything
[19:37] <SiVA_> hey
[19:38] <SiVA_> iwlist ra0 scan shows my router
[19:38] <altctrl> so i had to do the install from a cd instead
[19:38] <OrbJinzo> im not sure about kde 4.
[19:38] <SiVA_> but when I try to create a new connection, selecting ra0, it doesn't find my router in the list
[19:38] <altctrl> now i have this stupid thing occuring very frequently seemingly random
[19:38] <altctrl> yes it might be kde4
[19:39] <steveire> Hi. What's the recommended way to upgrade hardy to intrepid? I tried sudo do-release-upgrade,  but that didn't work.
[19:39] <altctrl> i have no idea thats what i did and when it started to actually installing it it froze and i had to do it from a cd
[19:40] <OrbJinzo> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-8.04-to-ubuntu-8.10-desktop-and-server
[19:40] <altctrl> now i have one part old notfinished kubuntu and this one that gets me out of x and telling me checking battery state    [OK]
[19:41] <OrbJinzo> Hrm corrupted install
[19:41] <altctrl> how can i tell no to check batter state?
[19:41] <OrbJinzo> i would assume it would do something about power settings
[19:41] <altctrl> it works fine except this annoying kicking me out of x
[19:42] <altctrl> i might just dissapear any seconds... power setting? where do  you change it?
[19:42] <OrbJinzo> Well
[19:42] <OrbJinzo> kde4 right?
[19:42] <altctrl> yes
[19:42] <altctrl> 4.1
[19:42] <thomas_> why kubuntu?
[19:42] <thomas_> why not ubuntu?
[19:42] <steveire> OrbJinzo: Thanks. I was missing the sudo vi /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades part
[19:43] <altctrl> are we not in kubuntu channel?
[19:43] <thomas_> yes
[19:43] <altctrl> that's why
[19:43] <OrbJinzo> np
[19:43] <thomas_> but  I have Ubuntu, and I wonder why you gys chose Kubuntu
[19:43] <OrbJinzo> heh its all ubuntu
[19:43] <OrbJinzo> I actually use Xubuntu with kde installed.
[19:44] <OrbJinzo> kde 3.5.10
[19:44] <thomas_> oh
[19:44] <OrbJinzo> and altctrl try opening a terminal with the command powerdevil in it
[19:45] <dawid> can anyone give me program i .deb package to change most of options o kubuntu i mean welcome logo.....
[19:45] <thomas_> so why specificly that distro with KDE, why not gome?
[19:45] <OrbJinzo> Im not too fond of gnome
[19:45] <SiVA_> when I try to create a new network connection, using my wifi device, my wifi router doesn't show up. But when I run this it does: iwlist ra0 scan
[19:45] <OrbJinzo> i thought it was always slow.
[19:45] <altctrl> personal preferences
[19:45] <thomas_> ah
[19:45] <thomas_> :)
[19:46] <altctrl> i used to like the idea that i can set different backgrounds for different desktops
[19:46] <altctrl> now it looks like kde4 does not have it or it is not as obvious to set
[19:46] <OrbJinzo> I dont like kde4 either
[19:46] <thomas_> That's a nice Idea, too bad I can't
[19:46] <OrbJinzo> so ill remain in the past with 3.5
[19:46] <thomas_> lol
[19:47] <altctrl> i think 4.2 will have that coming at of this months
[19:47] <HappySmileMan> It has that in Beta I think?
[19:47] <altctrl> the look of kde4 is better
[19:47] <OrbJinzo> I used to use primary xfce
[19:47] <OrbJinzo> looks yes
[19:47] <Koordin> how can i set up a keyboard shortcut for the widget "Show Desktop" ? i have kde 4.1.3
[19:48] <OrbJinzo> then i got tried of desktop icons always screwing up
[19:48] <HappySmileMan> Yeha I just set a different background for a different activity
[19:48] <OrbJinzo> so i resintalled kde 3.5
[19:48] <OrbJinzo> been happy as a clam ever since
[19:48] <aib> is there a cron gui in kubuntu?
[19:48] <altctrl> i have not figured out the activitis yet since i cant stay long enough there
[19:48] <SiVA_> how can I configure a wifi connection through the console? The knetwork tool doesn't list any ssids
[19:49] <altctrl> well powerdevil said command not found...
[19:49] <OrbJinzo> aib: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93611
[19:51] <Armagguedes> how can i report bugs (especially when i don't know what the problem package is)?
[19:52] <OrbJinzo> this channel #ubuntu-bugs
[19:52] <BluesKaj> I ended up with a folder in a folder somehow and konq won't allow cutting and pasting the contents to a new folder which would then be in my /home/user path .
[19:53] <Armagguedes> cheers OrbJinzo
[19:54]  * OrbJinzo is the master of google.
[19:54] <altctrl> when i searched on "checking battery state" it looked like a lots of different porblem arisen...
[19:54] <OrbJinzo> ?
[19:55] <OrbJinzo> To me altcrtl it sounds like a corrupted install
[19:56] <OrbJinzo> Im not 100% sure on kde4 so im just guessing really
[19:56] <altctrl> ok so where is it corruptd and what can i do about it?
[19:56] <altctrl> try to reinstal it?
[19:56] <altctrl> is there a way to see which part isnt good?
[19:57] <OrbJinzo> heh knowing me id wipe the whole thing and start from square one.
[19:58] <altctrl> yeah but first i want to save some stuff from my old nonfinished part
[19:58] <altctrl> then i willdo that
[19:58] <altctrl> but always stopping int he middle of everything makes it hard
[19:59] <OrbJinzo> if its files and stuff id burn it to a CD
[19:59] <OrbJinzo> or an external HD if you have one
[20:00] <altctrl> yes that is what i do
[20:00] <altctrl> but when i start doing something else what i am doing like run a new program it jsut kicks me out of x
[20:00] <OrbJinzo> I just had a thought though
[20:01] <altctrl> really annoying i am here now to see if i can get this fixed
[20:01] <SiVA_> how can I configure a wifi connection through the console? The knetwork tool doesn't list any ssids, although iwlist does
[20:01] <OrbJinzo> do you have your video drivers installed?
[20:01] <altctrl> i guess... everything looks ok jsut by looking at it
[20:02] <altctrl> but i am not sure how can i have an interface wihout video driver...
[20:03] <OrbJinzo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=982621
[20:03] <OrbJinzo> this looks like a known issue.
[20:04] <OrbJinzo> you could try booting into a different kernel
[20:04] <altctrl> where is my different kernel?
[20:05] <OrbJinzo> well when you first boot up it will say something about GRUB i think you hit escape
[20:05] <OrbJinzo> and it will show you options
[20:05] <altctrl> i see they have the same thing....
[20:06] <OrbJinzo> yar
[20:06] <altctrl> they all look like the same numbered kernel...
[20:06] <OrbJinzo> I guess its an issue with the lastest kernel
[20:06] <altctrl> only diff its failsafe or soemthing... im going by memory now
[20:07] <altctrl> i see the one where he saying diff kernel is ok...
[20:07] <altctrl> how can i check which kernel i got?
[20:07] <OrbJinzo> hit up a terminal and do uname -r
[20:09] <altctrl> 2.6.27-9-generic
[20:10] <OrbJinzo> this sounds like a bug in the kernel
[20:10] <inigo_> hl
[20:10] <altctrl> why they dont fix it?
[20:10] <altctrl> i am telling everyone to upgrade then they will have the same shit
[20:10] <altctrl> where do we report it or see if it is reported already/
[20:10] <OrbJinzo> well man about all i can it happens
[20:11] <OrbJinzo> nothing can be 100% when you release.
[20:11] <OrbJinzo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[20:11] <altctrl> thanks let me see
[20:12] <altctrl> now registration... i hate that everyone wants me to register everywheree
[20:12] <OrbJinzo> heh life sucks doesnt it?
[20:13] <altctrl> sometimes it does
[20:13] <OrbJinzo> ill tell ya a fun part
[20:13] <altctrl> it should be shit this mesed up u wanna send all the details? yes/no
[20:13] <OrbJinzo> ya.
[20:13] <OrbJinzo> Tis the adventure of linux though
[20:14] <altctrl> now i have to register jsut to see they already know about it
[20:14] <altctrl> yes but it was an adventure 6 years ago
[20:14] <altctrl> today it should be jsut work or play
[20:15] <OrbJinzo> It happens even to mac os x or windows users
[20:15] <OrbJinzo> anything human made is not without flaws
[20:15] <OrbJinzo> :|
[20:17] <marco> indeed, it's just that linux has disproportionally more flaws than what people expect from their experience on other systems
[20:18] <OrbJinzo> True. I think to use linux though you have to have rubix cube mind type
[20:18] <OrbJinzo> everything is a puzzle waiting to be figured out
[20:19] <marco> if you mean "it's an overcomplicated puzzle which will take more time to solve it than most care", then I completely agree with you ;-)
[20:19] <OrbJinzo> hah
[20:19] <OrbJinzo> hey i find it fun
[20:22] <marco> :P yeah, I also find it fun. The problem is that linux seems to be more and more focused either on enterprise uses which are addicted to linux or on rapid (and kludgy) development to satisfy first time users
[20:22] <SiVA_> when I right click on knetworkmanager it says my wifi device has "wireless disabled". How can I enable that so I can create a wifi connection?
[20:23] <marco> I find it increasingly less fun to learn ever new specific purpose paradigms for every new program, only to find out it's not working because I'm not thinking exactly like the developer who didn't bother much with documentation
[20:23] <marco> oh well, such is life :P
[20:24] <Orac> hello all
[20:25] <marco> hello
[20:25] <Orac> any ladies fancy a chat?
[20:26] <marco> god bless you, this is a linux IRC chat. All ladies here are either perverts or FBI agents
[20:26] <Orac> nothing wrong with a bit of f.b.i.
[20:27] <OrbJinzo> haha
[20:27] <OrbJinzo> i doubt its fbi
[20:27] <OrbJinzo> maybe local police depts
[20:27] <OrbJinzo> sides theres no ladies in linux chat
[20:27] <OrbJinzo> never.
[20:27] <Orac> where i live thay dont offer that service
[20:30] <Orac> dose any one know how i can get my web cam working on linux
[20:30] <SiVA_> how do I enable my wireless device? It talks about it here but I think it's for gnome: http://www.geek.com/forums/topic/cannot-enable-my-wireless-device-in-kubuntu
[20:32] <Orac> snowing again
[20:39] <denis_> fir3_ hab das entsprechende Programm hinzugefügt und mal auf 1440 x 900 gestellt, hat nix geändert, echt schlimm, so ne Kleinigkeit is so kompliziert :-( Naja, ich lass es erst mal, gibt wichtigeres
[20:39] <denis_> ups, sorry, wrong channel
[20:42] <SiVA_> when I try to log in kde 4.1 hangs when the globe shows up on the spash page
[20:42] <SiVA_> I think I screwed some networking option up
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: if you screwed networking, rename /etc/network/interfaces and reboot
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: if its no better, you can easily rename back
[20:45] <Trijntje> when playing a movie in kubuntu 8.04 the image, not the sound, starts lagging after about 10 minutes. Does anyone have an idea how to fix/diagnose this problem?
[20:45] <SiVA_> seems I was messing with that file a few minutes ago ...lol
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> !codecs | Trijntje
[20:46] <marco> how can I download the source code from a specific package? Can I use APT tools to do that?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> marco: sudo apt-get source install <app>
[20:46] <SiVA_> ActionParsnip: Still hangs at the globe.....
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: whats this globe thing?
[20:47] <SiVA_> when you first login.. the splash screen
[20:47] <SiVA_> shows the harddrive, then the screw driver, then the globe, then the K
[20:47] <marco> ActionParsnip:thanks
[20:49] <marco> ActionParsnip: I get "E: Unable to find a source package for install"
[20:49] <marco> I tried "sudo apt-get source install xterm"
[20:50] <OrbJinzo> heh
[20:50] <OrbJinzo> xterm is installed by default.
[20:50] <OrbJinzo> thats part of x itself.
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: ok i just watched a vid of the splash
[20:50] <marco> I see, I take the source code is also installed?
[20:51] <OrbJinzo> Uhmm that i dont know.
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: you could try pressing alt+f1 and see whats runnning
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> marco: then you need to add the source repo for the app you want
[20:52] <SiVA_> not much info there... guess I gotta do another install
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: try renaming your ~/.kde folder
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: or create a new user, see ifits identical
[20:54] <marco> ActionParsnip: Ah. Aren't the sources hosted by ubuntu's repo servers that already are on the source list? I mean, they need to distribute the source code of each program they distribute with a GPL licence, right?
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> marco: yes but you look at /etc/apt/sources.list you will see some deb-src repos
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> marco: you need to add the src repo
[21:06] <rene> aloha folks!
[21:07] <rene> can somebody read this? its my first time that i ma logged in to irc
[21:07] <rene> it doesnt looks like
[21:07] <SSJ_GZ> rene: Yes.
[21:07] <rene> #oh1
[21:08] <rene> thanks for oyur answer! nice! it works1
[21:09] <rene> is nobody talking or everybody on a private speach. or do i something wrong
[21:10] <rene> do someone has experiences with tork ?
[21:10] <SSJ_GZ> rene: Nobody is talking at the moment.
[21:11] <rene> ok, thanks again. i have to raise a ticket for my thanks to you...
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> If you need help, just ask. If somebody knows the answer they'll usually respond :)
[21:12] <rene> ok...
[21:13] <rene> so, i installed tork, with privoxy and tor, everything what i needed. now he says something like, "cannot connect to tor" or, "cannot FIND tor", but its there. i think that some configuration are not right. soembody any idea?
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I've never had much luck getting tor to work myself
[21:14] <rene> something like" cannot comunicate with tor"
[21:15] <rene> yes, thanks, i thought that i am a littel bit, dumb.
[21:15] <rene> but now trok is communicating with tor, BUT, if i chekc my ip, its still the same. configuraton on my browser are also ok.
[21:16] <rene> not trok, tork of course..sorry 4 that
[21:16] <rene> so many people and not one is talking 2 me
[21:17] <rene> THANKS!! GUYS!!
[21:17] <rene> except SSj, of course
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> If I had a guess I'd say that tor itself isn't working or at least not running
[21:18] <BluesKaj> IIRC tor needs privoxy to work right , rene
[21:19] <rene> well, it is running, its is connected, privoxy is ok, and, then it came up a messages, "cannot communicate with tor",.well, now he says "connected to tor" but, if i check the ip, its the same, also if i try to chnage the server, ip is the same. so, i am not running over tor.
[21:20] <rene> i am sitting on this problem now fro 5 days.. and, go slowly really mad
[21:20] <rene> BluesKaj, privoxy is on.. its ok.. ....i hope..
[21:21] <BluesKaj> what are doing that you need to proxy ?
[21:21] <rene> BluesKaj: i am not sure if i understand your question right..
[21:22] <rene> well, tork (kubuntu) runs torK with privoxy. right?
[21:23] <BluesKaj> rene, well if you are trying to hide your IP cuz you're DLing torrents then most proxy hosts will check you out and ban you if that's the case.
[21:23] <rene> and also, what is this pleas:
[21:23] <rene> Jan 05 22:23:12.089 Privoxy(b7d526b0) Fatal error: can't check configuration file '/root/config':  No such file or directory
[21:24] <rene> Blues
[21:24] <rene> BluesKaj: yes, thats true, but, you can setup the settings so that you will be not fired from a server because of this.
[21:24] <BluesKaj> rene , I know this cuz I already tried it :)
[21:26] <rene> really? but, (the word BUT is mylovely word for the last days i think) it doesnt matter if i get no access to a server, or, you mean to the tor server?
[21:26] <gallus> #kanotix
[21:27] <gallus> ! infobash
[21:29] <rene> it doesnt metter with side i am looking 4, i am not runnig over tor. i saw the last time, few months ago when i had my old pc with linux and my ex took it from me, that tor works. now, not. it doesnt metter if i try kubuntu or ubuntu. both are not runnig. can  this be a configuration misstake with bios? because i have a new HDD##
[21:29] <rene> but i dont think so...
[21:30] <rene> further i get a failer messages from snort all the time.. can this be the problem maybe?
[21:30] <Adola> Ok, if you use the command "cat" it writes to a file where you can't see it....
[21:31] <Adola> Right?  Well, how can I edit it?
[21:31] <rene> everytime when i install some programm, there is this message from snort..
[21:33] <rene> do somebody know how i configurate the privoxy? i know i did few mothns ago something where i had to write soemthing like: forwardsock4 and, 9050 . but i dont know anymore how?
[21:34] <Wicked> rene, google. tor. gotot here website. check there docs. they have detailed howto's.
[21:35] <rene> Wicked: i did it already. nothing. thats why i am so, confused.. i follow everything what there was.. nothing
[21:35] <Wicked> rene, or here. ill make it it easy. http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
[21:35] <Trijntje> when i play a movie on 8.04 the picture laggs after about 10 minutes. The sound is still good. I have all codex installed. Does anybody know how to diagnose/fix this?
[21:37] <rene> i know this side. its tar.gz.i had already look at it. now a really stupid question and please, dont kill me..
[21:37] <rene> i have now kubuntun, that means i need packages with debian, not tar. or?
[21:38] <s0101> hi all could i please get some help installing a di-604 router?
[21:38] <rene> i am really confused as you can see
[21:38] <Wicked> !apt | rene
[21:39] <Wicked> rene, ok listen for a sec. before installing anything always check to see if its in the repositories. check with this command "aptitude search tor" if it find something use this to install it "aptitude install package"
[21:39] <rene> ubottu: thanks, really, but i know how to this commands.
[21:40] <rene> ok, Wicked, let me see..
[21:40] <rene> aptitude search tor
[21:40] <rene> aaaach
[21:40] <rene> oha
[21:40] <s0101> when i connect it like it should be (cables are correct) i dont get any connection i have all the ip:s except the secondary dns
[21:41] <rene> ok, this is a long list. what i have to looking 4?
[21:41] <Wicked> rene, whatever u want to install.
[21:42] <StR|Sangreal> excuse me, i am new to kubuntu, and i am willing to upgrade to .10, but the simple upgrade process via adept_upgrader fails as i click next on "new distr available" window... what shlould i do?
[21:43] <rene> the problem is not the installing, the problem is, as i can see it, to configurate tork with privoxy and/ot tor###
[21:43] <Wicked> ive never used that StR|Sangreal . but there are other ways to upgrade
[21:44] <Wicked> !upgrade
[21:44] <Wicked> rene, seriously. i have given u ALL the info u need to install and configure tor and privoxy.
[21:44] <Wicked> rene, please actually read the link i gave you.
[21:45] <rene> thats strange. i know that i used synaptic from the monitor. now, i asked for "synaptic2 and he couldnt find that. i have to install it..
[21:45] <StR|Sangreal> i followed all instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[21:45] <Wicked> rene, http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
[21:45] <rene> i am reading and i wrote this also be4. really, i dont know whats going on.
[21:46] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, when u say it fails....what does it do? does it just quit? or does it give u errors?
[21:46] <StR|Sangreal> kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" i use this command, press upgrade distro, press next
[21:46] <Wicked> rene, i dont think i can make it any clearer for you.
[21:46] <rene> what is also funny that tork is asking me "where i can find tor" =????? hää?
[21:47] <rene> Wicked: no, its ok, and thansk a lot.
[21:47] <rene> toer
[21:47] <StR|Sangreal> then a new window claims error like signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[21:47] <StR|Sangreal> but i cannot interpret what it means
[21:48] <rene> ok, privoxy failer what comes up in terminal:
[21:48] <rene> Jan 05 22:47:29.177 Privoxy(b7db96b0) Fatal error: can't check configuration fil                        e '/root/config':  No such file or directory
[21:48] <rene> the config file is not setup.. i would say
[21:48] <Wicked> rene, how are you trying to start it?
[21:48] <rene> i really go crazy... slowly...
[21:49] <StR|Sangreal> then adept terminates
[21:49] <rene> i dont do anything, its starts with reboot
[21:49] <rene> auto
[21:49] <rene> no manuell start..
[21:50] <StR|Sangreal> i used >> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:50] <StR|Sangreal> but it didnt bring any progress
[21:50] <StR|Sangreal> could sb explain me how should i upgrade and where is my fault?
[21:50] <rene> and i had a failer with dpkg
[21:51] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, hmm. i havent done a upgrade in a long time. but i do belive u can do it with apt. i think its aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:51] <Wicked> rene, how did u install privoxy originally?
[21:52] <rene> well, with tor together. than i tried to install vidalia and that doesnt worked. so, than i find torK and install it.
[21:52] <rene> and the old tor version is still in the directory.. can be this a problem?
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> root@vladislav-laptop:/home/vladislav# aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Načítavajú sa zoznamy balíkov... Hotovo
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Vytvára sa strom závislostí
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Reading state information... Hotovo
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Inicializujú sa stavy balíkov... Hotovo
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Zapisujú sa rozšírené stavové informácie... Hotovo
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Vytvára sa databáza značiek... Hotovo
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Nasledujúce balíky sa nepoužívajú a budú ODSTRÁNENÉ:
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal>   linux-headers-2.6.24-19 linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal>   linux-headers-2.6.24-21 linux-headers-2.6.24-21-generic
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal>   openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev openoffice.org-officebean
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> 0 balíkov aktualizovaných, 0 nových nainštalovaných, 6 na odstránenie a 0 neaktualizovaných.
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Treba stiahnuť 0B archívov. Po rozbalení sa uvoľní 137MB.
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Chcete pokračovať? [Y/n/?]
[21:53] <rene> i canwhat is this?
[21:53] <Wicked> !flood | StR|Sangreal
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> ok, i am sorry
[21:53] <miso> Hi - I have a question about the LiveCD if anyone has a second
[21:53] <StR|Sangreal> Wicked, the command will only remove some packages
[21:54] <Wicked> rene, im not sure i understand you. how did u install tor
[21:54] <rene> primary we have to fix the tor problem..
[21:54] <StR|Sangreal> it isnt probably what i am looking for
[21:54] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, hmm ok. i vaughly remember having to change the sources.list to use the upgraded repo's
[21:54] <BluesKaj> !ask | miso
[21:55] <miso> No matter what K/Ubuntu LiveCD I use, I get the following error: "kernel panic: try passing init= option to kernel". Any ideas why?
[21:55] <rene> thrue the site http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en , than i tried to install vidalia, over the vidalia HP, but this really not functioned. so, after few days i install tork, (privoxy i installed few days ago, manueally thrue monitor) a
[21:56] <StR|Sangreal> Wicked, do you possibly understand why adept fails?
[21:56] <rene> (privoxy i installed few days ago WITH TOR, manueally thrue monitor)
[21:57] <rene> i also have made a up & upgrade..
[21:57] <rene> nothing
[21:57] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, not really. but i know from past experiences that the gui package managers are much less stable then using the command line...which is why i only use the cli to maintain updates and install packages
[21:57] <rene> library: everything is in place, installed
[21:57] <rene> cli?
[21:58] <Wicked> rene, did you use apt to install everything? or did u seperatly download and install them>
[21:58] <miso> cli = command line interface
[21:58] <Wicked> rene, i think you downloaded the wrong version and messed something up.
[21:58] <rene> so many people and just some GOOD GUYS are answering me..
[21:58] <BluesKaj> !kernel panic
[21:58] <rene> ooh, maybe you are right..
[21:59] <rene> do you know the HP for kubuntu deb priovxy?
[21:59] <miso> BluesKaj - I don't understand.
[21:59] <StR|Sangreal> ok, wicked, pls give me the sequence i should execute
[21:59] <StR|Sangreal> (maybe with a little comment what it does)
[21:59] <Wicked> rene, ONLY install stuff through apt. avoid downloading stuff from websites and installing...we are not on windows!
[22:00] <rene> well, sometimes i received on an homepage which i visited an 503 error. privoxy error, can this help a littel?
[22:00] <Wicked> rene, i dont.
[22:00] <StR|Sangreal> Wicked, could you pay a little attention to my problem so that i may proceed the update and quit, please?
[22:00] <rene> no, no worries, i know how to install programms. but, how can i check if it is the right version?
[22:00] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, well you would edit /etc/apt/sources.list. change all the hardy to intrepid. then you would reload the list "aptitude update" then you would "aptitude dist-upgrade"
[22:00] <BluesKaj> miso , I was trying to get our infobot to give an explanation of possible kernel panic causes , but it doesn't have any information
[22:01] <Wicked> !patience | StR|Sangreal
[22:01] <BluesKaj> !panic
[22:01] <Wicked> !kp
[22:01] <Wicked> !kernelpanic
[22:01] <BluesKaj> !info kernelpanic
[22:01] <miso> Ah, I see, thanks. The *only* LiveCD I seem to be able to boot is OpenSuse 11.
[22:01] <BluesKaj> !info kernel panic
[22:01] <rene> Wicked; just a question: to who you are talking 2?
[22:02] <miso> which suggests I may have a hardware issue...
[22:02] <rene> i am confused if you are talking to me or not..
[22:02] <rene> :-)
[22:02] <miso> Wicked's showing how the ubuntu bot works
[22:02] <Wicked> rene, i am helping you and StR|Sangreal . when i want to tell you something i prefix it with your name
[22:02] <StR|Sangreal> i am sorry for violating the community rules... i am new here and i do not really know what to expect and how to request... but i am thankful to your advice, i would try
[22:02] <BluesKaj> miso, could be hardware alright
[22:03] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, yea. no probs. just remeber we are helping to be nice...and we once got help here when we didnt know what to do.
[22:04] <BluesKaj> miso, are you taliking about just trying to run the live cd or installing the OS ?
[22:04] <miso> either way, it won't work
[22:04] <Wicked> is this a laptop?
[22:04] <Wicked> or desktop?
[22:04] <miso> Wicked - you're asking me? if so, Desktop
[22:05] <StR|Sangreal> well, wicked, i know that i cannot offer anything here, but mostly i recognize two states: being attended or not being attended
[22:05] <rene> so the possibilities are there that i  have the wrong privoxy.. maybe.. thats why is tork all the time asking "where is tor". also, now he says, connected to tor.. but.. again but.. i am really sorry for the BUT, but, it doesnt work right. .
[22:05] <BluesKaj> ok miso, which desktop and how old and which kubuntu release ?
[22:05] <Wicked> miso, yea i was.
[22:06] <Wicked> miso, have you verified the downloads before burning them?
[22:06] <miso> Sempron 2200, 3GB RAM, 40GB & 80 GB harddrives, about 4-5 years old.
[22:06] <miso> Yes, download was verified. Burn's were fine.
[22:07] <Wicked> miso, thats more then capable...but i would verify the download is complete. check the md5
[22:07] <Wicked> hmm
[22:08] <miso> To give some background.... this is an old box that I want to set an LFS system up on. Easiest way to do that is to install anoither distro first so I thought I'd use kubuntu as that is what I use on my regular box.
[22:08] <rene> hello? did you droped me??
[22:08] <miso> but *no* version of the kubuntu livecd will work - same error
[22:08] <miso> The OPenSuse liveCD however, does work.
[22:09] <miso> So I installed OpenSuse and have run the lfs install and I *know* I got it right.
[22:09] <StR|Sangreal> Wicked, what is the meaning and usage to aptitude command?
[22:09] <miso> Unfortunately, on booting lfs I get this kernel panic error - exactly the same as when booting the Kubuntu liveCD.
[22:09] <miso> So I'm trying to redue possibilities and unfortunately I'm thinking it's more an more likely be hardware related...
[22:10] <BluesKaj> miso , lfs , 'scuse me but what file system is that , or is it one ?
[22:11] <miso> sorry - lfs = Linux From Scratch. It's a bare-bones distro...
[22:11] <BluesKaj> ok
[22:11] <BluesKaj> early dinner, bbiab
[22:12] <miso> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[22:13] <rene> ok guys, thanks for oyur help
[22:15] <StR|Sangreal> okay
[22:15] <StR|Sangreal> replacing hardy with interpid caused all repositories to malfunction
[22:15] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, aptitude is like apt-get
[22:16] <StR|Sangreal> Wicked, could you chceck my problem please?
[22:16] <StR|Sangreal> i think the last step was in a wrong direction
[22:17] <Wicked> which step?
[22:18] <StR|Sangreal> replacing hardy with interpid
[22:18] <Wicked> thats right.
[22:18] <StR|Sangreal> aptitude then didnt recognize any of the formerly valid repositories
[22:18] <StR|Sangreal> ok, undone, what next?
[22:19] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, well you would edit /etc/apt/sources.list. change all the hardy to intrepid. then you would reload the list "aptitude update" then you would "aptitude dist-upgrade"
[22:19] <StR|Sangreal> i said i did that
[22:20] <StR|Sangreal> all the repositories went to invalid and no package could be recognized
[22:20] <Wicked> *sigh*. obviously ya didnt change them all..or typo'ed
[22:20] <StR|Sangreal> aha
[22:21] <Wicked> please verify that you ONLY changed hardy to intrepid.
[22:21] <StR|Sangreal> spelling fail :D
[22:21] <Wicked> ah ok.
[22:21] <UbuNoo1> I just installed Kubuntu 8.04 on Toshiba Laptop.  My first linux install on a machine so I'm still learning... Everything seems to work well except the Sound.  I've checked online documentation.  I know that the sound card type, and the kernel module that should be loading (which is loaded).  So, I'm not sure what to try next.  Any ideas?
[22:22] <Wicked> UbuNoo1, in a terminal. type "alsamixer" make sure nothing is muted and that the sliders are uo
[22:22] <Wicked> *up
[22:22] <StR|Sangreal> i had a similar problem and i needed to have my alsa fully reinstalled
[22:22] <StR|Sangreal> ...
[22:23] <UbuNoo1> Wicked- chking...
[22:24] <StR|Sangreal> after aptitude update, except a few invalid repositories the rest appears to be fine
[22:24] <Wicked> ubottu, also how are you checking the sound?
[22:24] <Wicked> doh
[22:24] <Wicked> UbuNoo1, how are you checking the sound too?
[22:24] <Wicked> by default mp3's wont play
[22:24] <StR|Sangreal> now i should execute aptitude dist-upgrade and pray?
[22:25] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, what invalid repos?
[22:25] <Wicked> pastebin me the output
[22:25] <genii> Perhaps pray first
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> okay i will try
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> :)
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> Ign http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Translation-sk
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> eg this has gone wrong hasnt it?
[22:27] <UbuNoo1> Wicked - Just ran alsamixer... All the sliders are up.  I've been trying to play *wav files from /usr/share/sounds/ using Kaffeine.  (BTW - how do I check if something is muted with alsamixer?  I've been using KMix to check sound configurations)
[22:27] <StR|Sangreal> in the mixer
[22:27] <Matisse> hi
[22:27] <Matisse> I have changed the UUID in /boot/grub/menu.lst  and in /etc/fstab  and now my system boots with an ash shell as result I've changed the UUID using bklid or sth. like supposed when booting ends with fsck error 80. WHAT can I do now ? I dont even see the root partion, only a certain one, which I used for data storage. How can I mount the missing partitions ? I need to do it to change back the uuid i think (but actually the uuid which was there befo
[22:27] <Matisse> re, maybe I just got the wrong one)
[22:27] <StR|Sangreal> you have to have all the green points above the bar checked
[22:28] <StR|Sangreal> means light green, not dark green
[22:28] <Wicked> StR|Sangreal, umm. something has i think. check to make sure u didnt erase to much...or everything is spelt correct
[22:29] <StR|Sangreal> after reconfigurating the text file, automatic updates have detected some 800MB to install
[22:29] <StR|Sangreal> 235 to install, 800 to upgrade and 30 to remove
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> thus i have launched the adept updater and now i am praying
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> is that finish?
[22:36] <UbuNoo1> Wicked - Alsamixer has all the bars "up", and all items are active (not muted).    Any other ideas about how I should test the sound?
[22:42] <UbuNoo1> Anyone else have experience getting the sound to work on install of Kubuntu 8.04 on a laptop?
[22:43] <Wicked> hey sorry. im really busy atm
[22:43] <Wicked> !sound
[22:44] <UbuNoo1> wicked - I know you're busy; thought someone else might be able to help too...
[22:44] <StR|Sangreal> another important nottice to sound
[22:44] <divinebovine> !ops
[22:44] <StR|Sangreal> in system configuration, you have auto detect driver by default
[22:45] <Riddell> divinebovine: hmm?
[22:45] <divinebovine> zumran: is harrasing users inapropriately online.  can we have him banned?
[22:45] <genii> divinebovine: Don't do that
[22:45] <StR|Sangreal> change it into alsa
[22:45] <divinebovine> k.
[22:45] <Riddell> divinebovine: he hasn't said anything on channel
[22:45] <divinebovine> no worries, just wait
[22:46] <ikonia> what's up ?
[22:46] <Riddell> divinebovine: try nalioth if you need a freenode staff member
[22:46] <ikonia> divinebovine: what did he say he's not said anything in the channel
[22:46] <divinebovine> he's messaging users with asl requests
[22:47] <ikonia> divinebovine: who is he messaging ?
[22:47] <Skrot-> Hi. Is there a way to boot the kubuntu installer from a small USB key and install the packages via network?
[22:47] <divinebovine> i've got no proof of anyone but me.  however considering i've been silent for about 4 months and had no reason to be clicked on i'm surmising there are more than one user being approached
[22:47] <StR|Sangreal> ﻿please, there is another problem with running x module components...
[22:49] <genii> !install | Skrot-
[22:49] <genii> Skrot-: The first link there has different methods
[22:50] <Skrot-> great. DVD is broken and Ive formatted my old partitions
[22:50] <StR|Sangreal> in my own world its getting worse... how can i reboot the x server?
[22:50] <UbuNoo1> !Players
[22:51] <StR|Sangreal> btw is ubottu a bot?
[22:52] <genii> StR|Sangreal: The dirty way should be ctrl-alt-backspace. The proper way would be logout, choose "Restart X Server" in login screen menu
[22:52] <Matisse> no
[22:52] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Yes, ubottu is a bot
[22:54] <StR|Sangreal> genii, to introduce my problem: i have probably started an update to 8.10, changed repositories and asked my adept to update
[22:54] <StR|Sangreal> after trying to install some packages, he claimed that sth cannot be installed until i reboot x
[22:55] <StR|Sangreal> but the setup itself goes on
[22:55] <StR|Sangreal> what would you recommend me to do?
[22:55] <genii> StR|Sangreal: did it say "restart X"   or just something like "reboot"   they are two different things
[22:55] <StR|Sangreal> restart
[22:56] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Then you can use the way I said
[22:56] <StR|Sangreal> it said some thinx like kdm, xdm will only do sth if i restart x
[22:56] <genii> StR|Sangreal: But if it's continuing on , wait til it's done.
[22:56] <StR|Sangreal> but i am afraid of breaking the process of setup of other things
[22:56] <genii> StR|Sangreal: That is only the login manager. No worries
[22:57] <StR|Sangreal> ok, the update went wrong
[22:57] <Skrot-> is the live USB system creator supposed to be bundled with the live cd?
[22:57] <StR|Sangreal> probably cuz i havent restarted at the proper point
[22:57] <StR|Sangreal> what shall i do?
[22:58] <genii> Skrot-: Yes, with 8.10 it is
[22:58] <Skrot-> genii: Whats the exec called?
[22:58] <UbuNoo1> Sangreal - On the Hardware tab of Sound System Settings, I changed the "Select the audio device" from autodetect to "ALSA" -- It then tried to restart the sound system but seems to be an infinite loop. (Progress bar reaches 100%, and starts over at 0%)
[22:58] <genii> Skrot-: I don't know offhand
[22:58] <Skrot-> genii: how about where to start it from using GUI?
[22:59] <genii> StR|Sangreal: What error or so is it saying?
[22:59] <StR|Sangreal> wait pls
[22:59] <UbuNoo1> Sangreal - no pblm.
[22:59] <genii> Skrot-: I think unetbootin perhaps
[22:59] <StR|Sangreal> first of all i have some yet not understood troubles
[22:59] <StR|Sangreal> i have accidentally launched katapult
[23:00] <Skrot-> genii: I have no such executable
[23:00] <StR|Sangreal> i have no clue what it does... except that i see that my notebook doesnt recognize the accumulator
[23:00] <StR|Sangreal> and icons in the main menu have disappeared
[23:00] <StR|Sangreal> genii, what should i do?
[23:01] <genii> Skrot-: Let me finish with StR|Sangreal first please
[23:01] <Skrot-> sure, np :(
[23:01] <Skrot-> err, :)
[23:01] <Skrot-> not that used to the english keyboard layout
[23:01] <zumran> hi, is there a way to run .exe files in ubuntu, ...i am new to ubuntu and linux
[23:02] <StR|Sangreal> wine
[23:02] <BluesKaj> !wine | zumran
[23:02] <genii> StR|Sangreal: These issues are likely due to the method you did of upgrading instead of the regular way
[23:02] <StR|Sangreal> if you have wine properly installed and configured, it will execute automatically
[23:02] <zumran> where can i download wine
[23:03] <StR|Sangreal> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:03] <hyper_ch> zumran: what windows program do you think you need?
[23:04] <StR|Sangreal> hyper_ch, let him be
[23:04] <zumran> ms office @ hyper_ch
[23:04] <hyper_ch> zumran: what for?
[23:04] <StR|Sangreal> well
[23:04] <StR|Sangreal> sorry, hyper_ch
[23:04] <StR|Sangreal> use openoffice instead :)
[23:04] <hyper_ch> StR|Sangreal: :)
[23:05] <zumran> for working with documents @hyper
[23:05] <hyper_ch> OOo is much better at consistent formatting and structuring of documents
[23:05] <StR|Sangreal> sudo apt-get install openoffice
[23:05] <StR|Sangreal> :)
[23:05] <StR|Sangreal> you will like it
[23:05] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Does ctrl-alt-f1 gain you a console screen?
[23:05] <hyper_ch> took me like 4h to style my master thesis
[23:05] <StR|Sangreal> you mean tty?
[23:05] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Yes
[23:05] <StR|Sangreal> sure
[23:06] <hyper_ch> genii: ctrl+alt+ [F1-F6] and F7 is back at the "normal" desktop
[23:06] <StR|Sangreal> i can run all ttys except on tty7 where x runs
[23:06] <genii> hyper_ch: Yes, I know. Thanks for the extended explanation
[23:06] <genii> StR|Sangreal: I would suggest to try the !aptfix
[23:07] <StR|Sangreal> i think that my installation went pretty wrong
[23:07] <cantropy> hello, I have just installed Kubuntu 8.10 and am using the default xorg.conf, there are some strange refresh problems. especially in gtk applications like Firefox
[23:07] <StR|Sangreal> !aptfix
[23:07] <zumran> ok ive installed wine, now can i use it to launch an exe file?
[23:08] <StR|Sangreal> first install ooo :)
[23:08] <hyper_ch> zumran: any reason you don't want to use openoffice?
[23:08] <BluesKaj> StR|Sangreal , for ppl new to linux , telling them to sud apt-get an app can be confusing ...perhaps explaining that the konsole should be used with the commands will help.
[23:08] <StR|Sangreal> but, it should :)
[23:08] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: if they don't understand, then they can ask
[23:08] <zumran> im just used to ms office nothing else i already have oppen office installed
[23:09] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Since the gui update is still working we need to kill the lockfile, etc this way to try and get it going again
[23:09] <StR|Sangreal> well, the man has successfully installed wine hence he is fine with that
[23:09] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch , they may not know enough to ask
[23:09] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: yet they have been capable of installing Linux?
[23:09] <BluesKaj> we don't need to discoutrage ppl here
[23:10] <StR|Sangreal> BluesKaj, you are right, but i am rather busy with my problem :(
[23:10] <UbuNoo1> zumran: What version of Office do you use?? OOffice is nearly identically to MS Office 2003 and before.
[23:10] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch , if ppl are here to help then a full expalnation is in order
[23:10] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: IMHO if someone is capable of installing Linux then I do credit them and think they are also capable of asking for help
[23:10] <zumran> i think its version 2
[23:11] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Is it chugging away noe on the --reconfigure   ?
[23:11] <cantropy> has anybody has refresh problems in firefox? like when the Alt-F1 menu is popped up, it flickers with a weird line for an instant but later on refreshes okay.
[23:11] <genii> *now
[23:11] <StR|Sangreal> genii,
[23:11] <BluesKaj> they ask for help but not getting proper instructions can be discoutraging
[23:11] <StR|Sangreal> i am fully lost right now
[23:11] <UbuNoo1> zumran - Are you using MS Office 2007?
[23:11] <StR|Sangreal> i didnt make anything since adept failed
[23:11] <BluesKaj> hmm my KB seems to be sticking again ...coffee
[23:12] <StR|Sangreal> so you know my recent state
[23:12] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: you may think of them as helpless... I rather think of them as eager to explore
[23:12] <zumran> @ubunoo1 yes
[23:12] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Since the X terminal is unresponsive, we are currently trying to unlock the package system, then to tell it to finish configuring everything that was pending.
[23:12] <BluesKaj> no i don't think of them as helpless , pls don't assume stuff
[23:12] <hyper_ch> I don't think MSO '07 runs in wine
[23:12] <zumran> ok....how do i use wine to run a file???
[23:12] <StR|Sangreal> me neither
[23:12] <StR|Sangreal> okay, genii
[23:13] <hyper_ch> zumran: wine /path/to/file.exe
[23:13] <StR|Sangreal> what shall i execute?
[23:13] <StR|Sangreal> should i reboot the x session?
[23:13] <StR|Sangreal> restart
[23:13] <genii> zumran: Usually if you select an exe from in the file manager it will want to use wine as the default app to ruin it with
[23:13] <genii> *run    ;)
[23:13] <zumran> ok thanks
[23:13] <BluesKaj> bbl
[23:13] <cantropy> does anyone see strange refresh update problems in kubuntu? Any pointers on what I could check? I think the integrated Intel graphics card has been installed properly.
[23:14] <StR|Sangreal> BluesKaj, that was an exceptional kindness towards the newbie :)
[23:14] <zumran> ok i have a question
[23:14] <genii> StR|Sangreal: In the tty screen on ctrl-alt-f1       to do the instruction provided by the bot
[23:14] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: well, I think if they don't understand something they can ask... you think if they don't understand anything then they can't ask... so IMHO I think you consider them as helpless
[23:14] <StR|Sangreal> and those are pls?
[23:14] <zumran> is it possible to browse the linux partition in windows???
[23:14] <StR|Sangreal> yes
[23:14] <zumran> how
[23:14] <StR|Sangreal> eg download ext2 plugin for total commander
[23:14] <genii> StR|Sangreal: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:14] <StR|Sangreal> can i copy it into a kind of clipboard or do i have to memorize?
[23:15] <UbuNoo1> cantropy - I haven't... What version of kubuntu are you running?
[23:15] <hyper_ch> there's an ext2 plugin for TC? wow... if I'd known that while I still had a windows partition....
[23:15] <genii> zumran: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[23:15] <cantropy> UbuNoo1: 8.10 I have checked glxgears etc. get about 550 fps
[23:15] <StR|Sangreal> genii?
[23:16] <hyper_ch> cantropy: what videocard?
[23:16] <genii> StR|Sangreal: The command?
[23:16] <StR|Sangreal> yes
[23:16] <cantropy> its the Intel E3100
[23:16] <UbuNoo1> I'm running 8.04.. Started with 8.10; ran into pblms, and installed 8.04.
[23:16] <genii> StR|Sangreal: You are currently using the box which is problemmatic to be here in irc?
[23:16] <zumran> do i have to install total commander in windows
[23:16] <josh_> i how do change my X Configuration file from the KDE GUI?
[23:17] <josh_> im messing with Duel Monitor support
[23:17] <StR|Sangreal> genii, i do not understand your questions
[23:17] <cantropy> I recall reading recently that there was some issue with the graphics driver and that I might need to wait for kernel .28
[23:17] <josh_> i need SU Status
[23:17] <josh_> or something
[23:17] <hyper_ch> zumran: just install this here:  http://www.fs-driver.org/download/Ext2IFS_1_11a.exe
[23:17] <StR|Sangreal> some kde features are going wrong but except that i can do most of things regularly
[23:17] <StR|Sangreal> what box?
[23:17] <Skrot-> computer, StR|Sangreal
[23:17] <cantropy> UbuNoo1: what problems did you get?
[23:17] <genii> StR|Sangreal: The computer which is being updated, is it the same computer you are using right now talking to us with?
[23:18] <hyper_ch> cantropy: 8.10 won't feature a .28 kernel
[23:18] <StR|Sangreal> yes
[23:18] <cantropy> hyper_ch: I meant the 2.6.28
[23:18] <genii> StR|Sangreal: So then your X is not entirely locked up or so
[23:18] <hyper_ch> cantropy: that's what I was refering to as well
[23:18] <StR|Sangreal> no
[23:19] <genii> StR|Sangreal: In this case, open Konsole. Then copy the command from here to Konsole and run it there.
[23:19] <josh_> somebody please, how do i get Sudo Status to change my Ress  under Nvidia X Server Settings so i can save the new changes to my  ( X Config File )
[23:19] <zumran> ttp://www.fs-driver.org/download/Ext2IFS_1_11a.exe - - should i install this in windows
[23:19] <cantropy> hyper_ch: okay, that means, I would have to wait until April for the next installment of Kubuntu
[23:19] <hyper_ch> josh_: kdesu nvidia-settings
[23:20] <josh_> thanks Hyper XD
[23:20] <hyper_ch> cantropy: the next release is already available as alpha 2
[23:20] <hyper_ch> cantropy: might be that someone backports the 28 kernel - but I doubt it
[23:20] <BluesKaj> zumran, yes
[23:20] <genii> zumran: I would recommend that as the solution to viewing your linux partitions under windows, yes
[23:20] <StR|Sangreal> i am losing on computing potential
[23:20] <zumran> ok thanks
[23:21] <StR|Sangreal> probably some dying processes are hanging on
[23:21] <cantropy> hyper_ch: thanks, but I want to get comfortable with tinkering things before I am comfortable using a non release version.
[23:21] <hyper_ch> StR|Sangreal: got htop installed?
[23:21] <StR|Sangreal> no clue
[23:21] <hyper_ch> cantropy: wise choice :)
[23:21] <genii> StR|Sangreal: What happened during the update. Did it stop with some error you could say to us? Is it still going? etc
[23:21] <cantropy> hyper_ch: thank u :)
[23:21] <hyper_ch> StR|Sangreal: sudo apt-get install htop     and then run  "htop" in the terminal
[23:22] <hyper_ch> StR|Sangreal: sorry, update still in progress for you... then this won't work
[23:22] <zumran> what if i want to cut and copy files from one partition to another, i know its possible in linux what will it be possible in windows with that program?
[23:23] <StR|Sangreal> okay to refer to my state... i changed repositories, let auto updates proceed... some components corrupted whence x ran; then the install completed with saying some of the packages couldnt be installed
[23:24] <StR|Sangreal> now i have killed the daemon that remained after those updates
[23:24] <StR|Sangreal> dpkg is still running
[23:24] <genii> zumran: The driver there allows for write to ext3 and ext2, so yes
[23:24] <StR|Sangreal> is there sth more i could reveal to solve my problem?
[23:25] <StR|Sangreal> btw in 40 hours i have an important exam whence i would like to end with this as soon as possible
[23:25] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Since your computer is not locked up or so, suggest to reboot it. Then to try running update again.
[23:26] <StR|Sangreal> dont you thing some installed things may collide with some not installed ones?
[23:26] <StR|Sangreal> dpkg completed
[23:27] <genii> StR|Sangreal: If you have problems when next boot into newest kernel, try boot into the previous kernel
[23:27] <StR|Sangreal> ok
[23:28] <genii> Hmm. Perhaps you were just impatient
[23:28] <StR|Sangreal> anything else i should now?
[23:28] <StR|Sangreal> know
[23:28] <cantropy> thanks all, bye ...
[23:29] <StR|Sangreal> (well its quite late in sk ...)
[23:29] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Try in Konsole:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade                 and say if it has some problem
[23:29] <genii> If a very long output then use pastebin
[23:29] <genii> !paste
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> vladislav@vladislav-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Translation-sk
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release.gpg
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> Ign http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Translation-sk
[23:30] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Translation-sk
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Get: 1 http://archive.canonical.com intrepid Release.gpg [189B]
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-sk
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Translation-sk
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release.gpg
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Ign http://archive.canonical.com intrepid/partner Translation-sk
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> Hit http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Translation-sk
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> and so
[23:31] <genii> stR
[23:31] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | StR|Sangreal
[23:31] <genii> Bah
[23:31] <StR|Sangreal> what does it mean?
[23:32] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Please use the pastebin as I told you if it is more than 2 or 3 lines!!
[23:32] <StR|Sangreal> i am sorry
[23:32] <LeeJunFan> KDE4 ticked me off so much I switched to Gnome. Gnome bored me so much I switched back.
[23:32] <genii> StR|Sangreal: So far, nothing extraordinary. This is just getting the lists
[23:33] <genii> StR|Sangreal: The: sudo apt-get upgrade                      result is what we are interested in
[23:35] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Does it give some error, or does it say a bunch of packages can be upgraded, or does it say "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.", or something else entirely different? etc
[23:35] <StR|Sangreal> some packages have corrupted dependancies
[23:36] <genii> OK. At least thats informative
[23:36] <StR|Sangreal> most of them are related to amarok
[23:36] <StR|Sangreal> i disable its service and retry
[23:36] <StR|Sangreal> didnt help
[23:37] <genii> StR|Sangreal: Thats because it doesn't matter if its running or not, but rather if it's installed. It will try to upgrade whatever you have installed, whether it's running or not.
[23:37] <Zehava> Isn't there a GUI for altering things like your java class path for kubuntu?
[23:37] <genii> Away a few minutes
[23:37] <StR|Sangreal> would it help if i terminated x, and then in tty called apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:38] <StR|Sangreal> ok i try rebooting
[23:43] <genii> Back
[23:43] <carlo> hello
[23:44] <genii> Skrot-: Have you looked at pendrivelinux  instructions for making a bootable usb install ? They have there from livecd, however same method can be used from existing install.
[23:49] <Zehava> How can I change my java path globaly please
[23:52] <UbuNoo1> webpigeon - Can installing Pulseaudio solve my problem, given that sound isn't working currently?? I should be able to get sound working without pulseaudio, right?
[23:56] <BluesKaj> UbuNoo1 , yes ..have you tried alsa ?
[23:58] <UbuNoo1> Yeah... Actually, ALSA is not working.
[23:58] <UbuNoo1> alsamixer says everything is "on", and volumes are up.
[23:59] <UbuNoo1> System Settings -- Sound System -- Hardware tab -- Select audio device -- autodetect.  Tried changing autodetect to ALSA, but the Sound System is not able to restart when it tries to.