Hobbseeright.  prodded.00:02
socLupine: full bug reports here:00:03
sochttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378338  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21779000:03
ubottuGnome bug 378338 in settings-daemon "Deal with X servers which misreport the screen's dimensions" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]00:03
hggdhLupine, I had this issue, will check if still there (since then I moved out of LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF8 into en_US.UTF8)00:04
hggdhyes, independent of locale00:06
duanedesignsoc: I also triaged a bug awhile back related to this, bug #31035300:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310353 in gnome-control-center "Default font size too large if using native DPI" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31035300:09
socthe whole thing is a mess ...00:10
socdriver "assumes" dpi -> driver reports the wrong dpi to xorg -> toolkits expect that xorg doesn't report the right value, assume something themselves -> toolkits have user-changeable dpi-settings, so users can fix it theirselves -> users do stupid things with it like using it to change their font size00:11
socimo, most of the time xorg is right now, so gnome shoouldn't think it is smarter than xorg00:12
duanedesignSo at this point making the font smaller would effect everyone who accepts the default. If the setting in the future starts to react to a variable dpi, instead of defaulting to 96dpi00:13
duanedesignthen this might be a relevant bug00:14
socthe bug is certainly right00:14
socthe default font is much too big, because developers "assume" that the dpi is wrong, so they take something idiotproof00:15
socso that the gui is readable even if it reports 20 dpi too much00:16
socbasically i would be happy if gnome would accpet the dpi from the xserver00:16
socreducing the font size to something sensible will be another thing00:16
duanedesignahh, interesting...00:18
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soci have added a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/15739801:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 157398 in gnome-control-center "GNOME default DPI doesn't match X default DPI" [Wishlist,Confirmed]01:28
socif someone would have an idea where to look, i might solve the problem01:29
Flare183I am a beginner bugsquad member. How do I mark the bug as Triged?02:29
* Flare183 can't spell02:29
nelleryFlare183: you must become a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol02:30
Flare183nellery: umm ok I'll look into that02:31
nelleryFlare183: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl02:31
hggdhsoc, ping02:37
hggdh#bugs is not the correct channel for upstream on the bug02:38
hggdhthis channel is for bug control work... you can try #gnome02:38
socah ok02:39
soci already tried that ...02:39
socno problem02:39
socgood night then02:39
hggdhyou can also reopen the bug, and explain why you think it should be reopened02:39
hggdhsoc, also please keep in mind... on upstream: ask your question, and wait. Be patient. It may be some hours before a response (my record was 2 days)02:40
Lupinehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/311615  This should be WishListed03:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311615 in pidgin "New chat windows unconditionally spawn in top left" [Undecided,New]03:26
LupineAnd this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/31173103:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311731 in gimp "gimp "save a copy" tooltip help confusing" [Undecided,New]03:31
Lupineboth should be WishList03:31
Lupineand this third one as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/31150303:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311503 in pidgin "different window sizes" [Undecided,New]03:35
Lupinegeesh...WishList crazy tonight :-)03:35
LordTattyI think this bug should be set to wishlist, thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/311992/05:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311992 in ubuntu "Screen Resolution Timeout" [Undecided,New]05:24
* Hobbsee is sure you should be able to find the correct package for it, to actually triage it, too05:25
Hobbseehrm.  I thought it did that.  apparently it doesn't.05:28
LordTattyI have set the package to xorg, is that right? This is my first attempt at this... :-)05:30
Hobbseei'd assume it's gnome-control-center, as it's a module of that05:31
* Hobbsee restarts X in an attempt to unborkify it05:31
LordTattyok, ill change it, thanks05:32
Hobbsee!info mesa intrepid06:24
ubottuPackage mesa does not exist in intrepid06:24
Hobbsee!info mesa-utils intrepid06:24
ubottumesa-utils (source: mesa): Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities. In component main, is extra. Version 7.2-1ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 45 kB, installed size 160 kB06:24
dholbachgood morning and happy new year!06:30
CarlFKintrepid - python; help(); modules = AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'inotify'06:49
CarlFKbut I have installed a few python modules. can someone try that and see if it errors?06:49
CarlFKhttp://dpaste.com/105483/  details06:50
duanedesigna bug,  that was more of a support question, has been resolved by the reported. What is the protocol for such a bug. Does it get closed somehow?06:52
moose1can someone help my with triaging two bugs?06:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 312302 in ubuntu "Audio Line out does not work on Medion MD 96630" [Undecided,New]06:54
moose1and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/31348606:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 313486 in ubuntu "internal microphone doesn't work on Medion MD 96630" [Undecided,New]06:55
duanedesignmoose1: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/30214507:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302145 in ubuntu "Soundcard not found on 8.10 (Medion Akoya MD96640)" [Undecided,New]07:03
thekorngood morning bugsquad.07:29
dholbachhiya thekorn07:29
thekornhello dholbach07:31
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marmutaHi, I somehow managed to enter the identical bug report twice.14:18
marmutaCan someone please delete one of them?14:18
marmuta#314041 #31404114:18
marmutasorry #314040 and #31404114:19
thekornmarmuta, hi, we are not able to delete bugreports, just mark the duplicate as a duplicate of the first one14:19
thekornor set the status of the second one to invalid14:19
thekornbug 31404114:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314041 in wireshark "Virtual capture interface "any" is missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31404114:20
marmutaok, wil do, thank you14:20
MrKanisterHi. Can someone have a look at bug #188174? It is fixed in the sense that gnome-sessios-remove is no longer available. What to do with it? Thankss.14:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 188174 in gnome-session "gnome-session-remove comand line tool not working" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18817414:57
macocan anyone else on jaunty reproduce X locking up (ctrl alt bksp doesn't work, magic sysrq does) when you try to unlock the gnome volume mixer applet? doesn't seem to happen with any of the other applets14:58
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vadi2Bug #255137 was incorrectly labelled as duplicate17:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255137 in firefox "Firefox doesn't take over gnome font settings immediately" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25513717:05
vadi2How can I remove the duplicate status?17:05
macovadi2: click on the part that says its a dupe and backspace out the number its a dupe of17:06
vadi2ok thanks17:06
bdmurrayCan anybody test 'do-release-upgrade -d' on intrepid?  I'm getting a message about 'No new release found' which I find odd.17:45
sbeattiebdmurray: http://paste.ubuntu.com/100458/17:47
bdmurraysbeattie: great, not really what I wanted to hear but thanks17:48
Palintheusbdmurray: http://pastebin.ca/130024617:52
macobdmurray: if that's happening, it new. i used that command 3 weeks ago to upgrad17:56
bdmurrayIt's apt-cacher17:56
macooh ok17:56
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BUGabundohi YoBoY19:03
YoBoYolà BUGabundo19:05
YoBoYi want to help with bug triage, but i don't know where to begin :] (i have already read all the docs) there is so many bugs... :p, do you have some advices ?19:08
BUGabundoYoBoY: just open up LP, and start looking at more recent bugs19:10
BUGabundoor bugs for packages that you care!19:10
BUGabundoor that are about expire19:10
BUGabundoall valid options to get started19:11
bdmurrayYoBoY: I recommend looking at software / packages that you use or are intrested in19:11
YoBoYhum... i mix the 2, looking in new bugs to a package i care, and start to see if i can do something...19:17
bdmurraySounds good, let us know if you have any questions19:18
YoBoYyep :)19:19
YoBoYhum, need help with how to triage bug #314002 , the package concerned is "fortunes" but i don't find it with the "choose..."19:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314002 in fortune-mod "fortunes "songs-poems" contains mis-attribution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31400219:35
schmiedcwhat version of ubuntu do you run?19:43
schmiedcif 8.04 then i would check if thats true19:43
schmiedcbut i am also new since yesterday :)19:43
YoBoY8.10, but this packages is on all the versions, it's on packages.ubuntu.com19:44
schmiedchmm have some preeinstalled19:44
YoBoYho... perhaps it's beacause this packages are linked in some way...19:44
schmiedcbut the songs not in the specified folder19:44
YoBoY(fortune-mod and fortunes)19:44
schmiedcwhat for is fortune by the way?19:45
YoBoYyes the songs are in the "fortunes" package19:45
YoBoYfor fun only :p19:45
YoBoYit's why i tried to change the package in the bug on LP but can't find it with "choose..."19:46
schmiedcwith the folder i meant that in the bug there is a folder were songs are stored19:47
YoBoYthe link in packages.ubuntu.com for the "fortunes" packages go to the fortune-mod page in LP19:47
schmiedci dont have it19:47
YoBoYyou don't have this folder?19:47
schmiedc./songs-poems is missing19:47
schmiedcbut i am running also 8.1019:48
schmiedcnot 8.04 as the reporter does19:48
YoBoYyou have to install the fortunes package to have the songs-poems19:49
YoBoYok in LP fortune-mod " Source of: fortune-mod, fortunes, fortunes-min, fortunes-off" so it's the right package, sorry ... :p19:49
YoBoYin this file we have   -- "The Clean Song", Oscar Brandt  and the reporter say that it should be  -- Oscar Brandt, "The Clean Song"19:51
YoBoYany idea who have to care of this upstream?19:51
bdmurrayYoBoY: its in debian too19:53
YoBoYarf debian... ¬_¬"19:54
Armagguedeshow do i report a bug for jaunty?19:55
BUGabundojust mention it on the report19:55
BUGabundoand remember to show the version package19:56
bdmurrayArmagguedes: about what package?19:56
Armagguedesdon't know19:57
Armagguedesit's with the kde panel19:57
bdmurrayArmagguedes: first look for a duplicate at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace20:04
Armagguedeswhat is a CVE bug?20:26
greg-gfirst hit from google: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/identifiers/index.html20:28
greg-gbasically, an universal identifier for known security bugs20:28
Armagguedesok thanks20:29
MrKanisterI wonder what to do with a bug about "gnome-session-remove" because this is no longer available in Intrepid (bug #188174)21:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 188174 in gnome-session "gnome-session-remove comand line tool not working" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18817421:16
bdmurrayMrKanister: It depends on the gravity of the bug and why it was removed21:31
bdmurrayAt first glance the bug doesn't seem SRU worthy21:31
Zombie_GazAnyone encounter a bug with tty1. If you log in there... it will count that as a +1 login even after logged out.22:01
Zombie_Gazie; I have three users logged in (x-session, bash, and irssi) but system sees 4.22:01
Zombie_GazEven a w command shows only my three but says 4 users.22:02
macoZombie_Gaz: one of you using 2 terms?22:10
Zombie_Gazyes... but that still accounts for only 322:15
Zombie_Gaza 'w' command says 4 users... however, only three users listed22:16
Zombie_Gazthis only happens after i have logged into tty1 and logged out.22:16
Zombie_Gaz 17:18:32 up 22 min,  4 users,  load average: 0.59, 0.36, 0.3322:18
Zombie_GazUSER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT22:18
Zombie_Gazgaz      tty7     :0               16:57   22:52m 52.47s  0.24s x-session-manager22:18
Zombie_Gazgaz      pts/0    :0.0             16:58    1:40m  0.98s  0.74s irssi22:18
Zombie_Gazgaz      pts/1    :0.0             16:58    0.00s  0.24s  0.00s w22:18
Zombie_GazIt's only on tty1.22:19
Zombie_GazOther windows are fine...22:20
Zombie_GazI can log in and out of tty2-6 without causing this.22:22
bdmurraywhich release are you using?22:22
bdmurrayI've recreated it on 9.0422:25
macoi cant get to TTY1 to recreate it on 9.04 -_-22:26
bdmurraymaco: I had to go there 2 times ;-)22:26
Zombie_GazI first noticed it while remotely accessing my machine via ssh.22:26
Zombie_GazThought it had something to do with ssh.22:26
macobdmurray: VT switching's broken for you too22:27
bdmurrayI pressed ctrl+alt+f1 and it flicked then went back to X, I pressed it again and I saw tty122:28
Zombie_GazSo... when you log out of tty1, do you see +1 users still listed?22:29
macosee, now *i* try that and on the second time, it just sits there showing me the usplash image with the full loading bar22:29
bdmurrayZombie_Gaz: yes, I do22:30
Zombie_GazOk... just making sure I have something here and not overthinking something silly.22:31
hggdhmaco, vt-switching is broken on Intrepid and +122:31
macohggdh: and hardy depending on your graphics card22:34
macohggdh: i have no tty's on my hardy lappy22:35
maconot sure if that only happens after suspend or is always22:35
anderskOne of these bugs is bug 271962.22:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271962 in consolekit "VT-switching from X returns you to X the first time" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27196222:35
macoused to be neon green with grey text after suspend. now def. no tty after suspend. not sure if there's tty before suspend or not.22:35
bdmurrayandersk: thanks!22:37
anderskAnother is bug 304136, which does not have very much information currently.22:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 304136 in usplash "[jaunty] corrupted console when using usplash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30413622:40
hggdhmaco, usually it works after the second try23:26
hggdh(the tty switch, I mean)23:26
macohggdh: on hardy it doesnt return me to X on first try. it just gives me a black screen with no prompt every try23:27
macothe returning to X on first try thing starts in intrepid23:28
hggdhbut on Intrepid it seems to affect all cards23:29
crimsunit didn't affect mine using vesa or proprietary Nvidia23:30
macough this is confusing23:30
crimsunof course it has nothing to do with the actual graphics driver, as others using vesa or proprietary Nvidia are able to reproduce the symptom23:30
macook so my intel i965 has no ttys at all, and it does not bounce me back to X in hardy. my intel i945 in jaunty does bounce back to X.23:31
hggdhwe were discussing this some weeks ago, and people considered a probable console-kit issue23:32
crimsunhggdh: it is consolekit23:40
crimsunthe question is how many other components are interacting poorly with it or whether it's solely ck23:41
hggdhcrimsun, thanks23:42

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