[00:02] <Hobbsee> right.  prodded.
[00:03] <soc> Lupine: full bug reports here:
[00:03] <soc> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378338  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217790
[00:04] <hggdh> Lupine, I had this issue, will check if still there (since then I moved out of LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF8 into en_US.UTF8)
[00:06] <hggdh> yes, independent of locale
[00:09] <duanedesign> soc: I also triaged a bug awhile back related to this, bug #310353
[00:10] <soc> the whole thing is a mess ...
[00:11] <soc> driver "assumes" dpi -> driver reports the wrong dpi to xorg -> toolkits expect that xorg doesn't report the right value, assume something themselves -> toolkits have user-changeable dpi-settings, so users can fix it theirselves -> users do stupid things with it like using it to change their font size
[00:12] <soc> imo, most of the time xorg is right now, so gnome shoouldn't think it is smarter than xorg
[00:13] <duanedesign> So at this point making the font smaller would effect everyone who accepts the default. If the setting in the future starts to react to a variable dpi, instead of defaulting to 96dpi
[00:14] <duanedesign> then this might be a relevant bug
[00:14] <soc> the bug is certainly right
[00:15] <soc> the default font is much too big, because developers "assume" that the dpi is wrong, so they take something idiotproof
[00:16] <soc> so that the gui is readable even if it reports 20 dpi too much
[00:16] <soc> basically i would be happy if gnome would accpet the dpi from the xserver
[00:16] <soc> reducing the font size to something sensible will be another thing
[00:18] <duanedesign> ahh, interesting...
[01:28] <soc> i have added a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398
[01:29] <soc> if someone would have an idea where to look, i might solve the problem
[02:29] <Flare183> I am a beginner bugsquad member. How do I mark the bug as Triged?
[02:29]  * Flare183 can't spell
[02:30] <nellery> Flare183: you must become a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol
[02:31] <Flare183> nellery: umm ok I'll look into that
[02:31] <nellery> Flare183: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[02:37] <hggdh> soc, ping
[02:38] <soc> yes?
[02:38] <hggdh> #bugs is not the correct channel for upstream on the bug
[02:38] <hggdh> this channel is for bug control work... you can try #gnome
[02:39] <soc> ah ok
[02:39] <soc> i already tried that ...
[02:39] <soc> no problem
[02:39] <soc> good night then
[02:39] <hggdh> you can also reopen the bug, and explain why you think it should be reopened
[02:40] <hggdh> soc, also please keep in mind... on upstream: ask your question, and wait. Be patient. It may be some hours before a response (my record was 2 days)
[02:44] <soc> ok
[02:44] <soc> bye
[03:26] <Lupine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/311615  This should be WishListed
[03:31] <Lupine> And this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/311731
[03:31] <Lupine> both should be WishList
[03:35] <Lupine> and this third one as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/311503
[03:35] <Lupine> geesh...WishList crazy tonight :-)
[05:24] <LordTatty> I think this bug should be set to wishlist, thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/311992/
[05:25]  * Hobbsee is sure you should be able to find the correct package for it, to actually triage it, too
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hrm.  I thought it did that.  apparently it doesn't.
[05:30] <LordTatty> I have set the package to xorg, is that right? This is my first attempt at this... :-)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i'd assume it's gnome-control-center, as it's a module of that
[05:31]  * Hobbsee restarts X in an attempt to unborkify it
[05:32] <LordTatty> ok, ill change it, thanks
[06:24] <Hobbsee> !info mesa intrepid
[06:24] <Hobbsee> !info mesa-utils intrepid
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning and happy new year!
[06:49] <CarlFK> intrepid - python; help(); modules = AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'inotify'
[06:49] <CarlFK> but I have installed a few python modules. can someone try that and see if it errors?
[06:50] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/105483/  details
[06:52] <duanedesign> a bug,  that was more of a support question, has been resolved by the reported. What is the protocol for such a bug. Does it get closed somehow?
[06:54] <moose1> hi
[06:54] <moose1> can someone help my with triaging two bugs?
[06:54] <moose1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/312302
[06:55] <moose1> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/313486
[07:03] <duanedesign> moose1: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/302145
[07:29] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad.
[07:29] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[07:31] <thekorn> hello dholbach
[14:18] <marmuta> Hi, I somehow managed to enter the identical bug report twice.
[14:18] <marmuta> Can someone please delete one of them?
[14:18] <marmuta> #314041 #314041
[14:19] <marmuta> sorry #314040 and #314041
[14:19] <thekorn> marmuta, hi, we are not able to delete bugreports, just mark the duplicate as a duplicate of the first one
[14:19] <thekorn> or set the status of the second one to invalid
[14:20] <thekorn> bug 314041
[14:20] <marmuta> ok, wil do, thank you
[14:55] <bddebian> Boo
[14:57] <MrKanister> Hi. Can someone have a look at bug #188174? It is fixed in the sense that gnome-sessios-remove is no longer available. What to do with it? Thankss.
[14:58] <maco> can anyone else on jaunty reproduce X locking up (ctrl alt bksp doesn't work, magic sysrq does) when you try to unlock the gnome volume mixer applet? doesn't seem to happen with any of the other applets
[17:05] <vadi2> Bug #255137 was incorrectly labelled as duplicate
[17:05] <vadi2> How can I remove the duplicate status?
[17:06] <maco> vadi2: click on the part that says its a dupe and backspace out the number its a dupe of
[17:06] <vadi2> ok thanks
[17:45] <bdmurray> Can anybody test 'do-release-upgrade -d' on intrepid?  I'm getting a message about 'No new release found' which I find odd.
[17:47] <sbeattie> bdmurray: http://paste.ubuntu.com/100458/
[17:48] <bdmurray> sbeattie: great, not really what I wanted to hear but thanks
[17:52] <Palintheus> bdmurray: http://pastebin.ca/1300246
[17:56] <maco> bdmurray: if that's happening, it new. i used that command 3 weeks ago to upgrad
[17:56] <bdmurray> It's apt-cacher
[17:56] <maco> oh ok
[19:02] <YoBoY> hi
[19:03] <BUGabundo> hi YoBoY
[19:05] <YoBoY> olà BUGabundo
[19:08] <YoBoY> i want to help with bug triage, but i don't know where to begin :] (i have already read all the docs) there is so many bugs... :p, do you have some advices ?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: just open up LP, and start looking at more recent bugs
[19:10] <BUGabundo> or bugs for packages that you care!
[19:10] <BUGabundo> or that are about expire
[19:11] <BUGabundo> all valid options to get started
[19:11] <bdmurray> YoBoY: I recommend looking at software / packages that you use or are intrested in
[19:17] <YoBoY> hum... i mix the 2, looking in new bugs to a package i care, and start to see if i can do something...
[19:18] <bdmurray> Sounds good, let us know if you have any questions
[19:19] <YoBoY> yep :)
[19:35] <YoBoY> hum, need help with how to triage bug #314002 , the package concerned is "fortunes" but i don't find it with the "choose..."
[19:43] <schmiedc> what version of ubuntu do you run?
[19:43] <schmiedc> if 8.04 then i would check if thats true
[19:43] <schmiedc> but i am also new since yesterday :)
[19:44] <YoBoY> 8.10, but this packages is on all the versions, it's on packages.ubuntu.com
[19:44] <schmiedc> hmm have some preeinstalled
[19:44] <YoBoY> ho... perhaps it's beacause this packages are linked in some way...
[19:44] <schmiedc> but the songs not in the specified folder
[19:44] <YoBoY> (fortune-mod and fortunes)
[19:45] <schmiedc> what for is fortune by the way?
[19:45] <YoBoY> yes the songs are in the "fortunes" package
[19:45] <YoBoY> for fun only :p
[19:46] <YoBoY> it's why i tried to change the package in the bug on LP but can't find it with "choose..."
[19:47] <schmiedc> with the folder i meant that in the bug there is a folder were songs are stored
[19:47] <YoBoY> the link in packages.ubuntu.com for the "fortunes" packages go to the fortune-mod page in LP
[19:47] <schmiedc> i dont have it
[19:47] <YoBoY> you don't have this folder?
[19:47] <schmiedc> ./songs-poems is missing
[19:48] <schmiedc> but i am running also 8.10
[19:48] <schmiedc> not 8.04 as the reporter does
[19:49] <YoBoY> you have to install the fortunes package to have the songs-poems
[19:49] <YoBoY> ok in LP fortune-mod " Source of: fortune-mod, fortunes, fortunes-min, fortunes-off" so it's the right package, sorry ... :p
[19:51] <YoBoY> in this file we have   -- "The Clean Song", Oscar Brandt  and the reporter say that it should be  -- Oscar Brandt, "The Clean Song"
[19:51] <YoBoY> any idea who have to care of this upstream?
[19:53] <bdmurray> YoBoY: its in debian too
[19:54] <YoBoY> arf debian... ¬_¬"
[19:55] <Armagguedes> hello
[19:55] <Armagguedes> how do i report a bug for jaunty?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> just mention it on the report
[19:56] <BUGabundo> and remember to show the version package
[19:56] <bdmurray> Armagguedes: about what package?
[19:57] <Armagguedes> don't know
[19:57] <Armagguedes> it's with the kde panel
[20:04] <bdmurray> Armagguedes: first look for a duplicate at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace
[20:26] <Armagguedes> what is a CVE bug?
[20:28] <greg-g> first hit from google: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/identifiers/index.html
[20:28] <greg-g> basically, an universal identifier for known security bugs
[20:29] <Armagguedes> ok thanks
[21:16] <MrKanister> I wonder what to do with a bug about "gnome-session-remove" because this is no longer available in Intrepid (bug #188174)
[21:31] <bdmurray> MrKanister: It depends on the gravity of the bug and why it was removed
[21:31] <bdmurray> At first glance the bug doesn't seem SRU worthy
[22:01] <Zombie_Gaz> Anyone encounter a bug with tty1. If you log in there... it will count that as a +1 login even after logged out.
[22:01] <Zombie_Gaz> ie; I have three users logged in (x-session, bash, and irssi) but system sees 4.
[22:02] <Zombie_Gaz> Even a w command shows only my three but says 4 users.
[22:10] <maco> Zombie_Gaz: one of you using 2 terms?
[22:15] <Zombie_Gaz> yes... but that still accounts for only 3
[22:16] <Zombie_Gaz> a 'w' command says 4 users... however, only three users listed
[22:16] <Zombie_Gaz> this only happens after i have logged into tty1 and logged out.
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz>  17:18:32 up 22 min,  4 users,  load average: 0.59, 0.36, 0.33
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz> USER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz> gaz      tty7     :0               16:57   22:52m 52.47s  0.24s x-session-manager
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz> gaz      pts/0    :0.0             16:58    1:40m  0.98s  0.74s irssi
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz> gaz      pts/1    :0.0             16:58    0.00s  0.24s  0.00s w
[22:18] <Zombie_Gaz> gaz@dante:~$
[22:19] <Zombie_Gaz> It's only on tty1.
[22:20] <Zombie_Gaz> Other windows are fine...
[22:22] <Zombie_Gaz> I can log in and out of tty2-6 without causing this.
[22:22] <bdmurray> which release are you using?
[22:23] <Zombie_Gaz> 8.10
[22:25] <bdmurray> I've recreated it on 9.04
[22:26] <maco> i cant get to TTY1 to recreate it on 9.04 -_-
[22:26] <bdmurray> maco: I had to go there 2 times ;-)
[22:26] <Zombie_Gaz> I first noticed it while remotely accessing my machine via ssh.
[22:26] <Zombie_Gaz> Thought it had something to do with ssh.
[22:27] <maco> bdmurray: VT switching's broken for you too
[22:27] <maco> ?
[22:28] <bdmurray> I pressed ctrl+alt+f1 and it flicked then went back to X, I pressed it again and I saw tty1
[22:29] <Zombie_Gaz> So... when you log out of tty1, do you see +1 users still listed?
[22:29] <maco> see, now *i* try that and on the second time, it just sits there showing me the usplash image with the full loading bar
[22:30] <bdmurray> Zombie_Gaz: yes, I do
[22:31] <Zombie_Gaz> Ok... just making sure I have something here and not overthinking something silly.
[22:31] <hggdh> maco, vt-switching is broken on Intrepid and +1
[22:34] <maco> hggdh: and hardy depending on your graphics card
[22:35] <maco> hggdh: i have no tty's on my hardy lappy
[22:35] <maco> not sure if that only happens after suspend or is always
[22:35] <andersk> One of these bugs is bug 271962.
[22:35] <maco> used to be neon green with grey text after suspend. now def. no tty after suspend. not sure if there's tty before suspend or not.
[22:37] <bdmurray> andersk: thanks!
[22:40] <andersk> Another is bug 304136, which does not have very much information currently.
[23:26] <hggdh> maco, usually it works after the second try
[23:26] <hggdh> (the tty switch, I mean)
[23:27] <maco> hggdh: on hardy it doesnt return me to X on first try. it just gives me a black screen with no prompt every try
[23:27] <hggdh> weird...
[23:28] <maco> the returning to X on first try thing starts in intrepid
[23:29] <hggdh> but on Intrepid it seems to affect all cards
[23:30] <crimsun> it didn't affect mine using vesa or proprietary Nvidia
[23:30] <maco> ugh this is confusing
[23:30] <crimsun> of course it has nothing to do with the actual graphics driver, as others using vesa or proprietary Nvidia are able to reproduce the symptom
[23:31] <maco> ok so my intel i965 has no ttys at all, and it does not bounce me back to X in hardy. my intel i945 in jaunty does bounce back to X.
[23:32] <hggdh> we were discussing this some weeks ago, and people considered a probable console-kit issue
[23:40] <crimsun> hggdh: it is consolekit
[23:41] <crimsun> the question is how many other components are interacting poorly with it or whether it's solely ck
[23:42] <hggdh> crimsun, thanks