[08:30] <huats> morning everyone
[08:36] <pitti> hey huats, happy new year!
[08:36] <huats> hey pitti !
[08:36] <huats> happy new year too !
[08:47] <huats> pitti: I wanted to talk to you about  a SRU I asked, and that you proceed
[08:47] <huats> :)
[08:47] <huats> since I don't understand very well your answer :)
[08:48] <huats> the gcalctool SRU
[08:49] <huats> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302915
[08:51] <pitti> huats: I uploaded it to Jaunty, but there is not enough justification for an SRU
[08:53] <huats> pitti: yeah that was my understanding :)
[08:53] <huats> I assume that there is no chance to try to convince you ;)
[08:54] <pitti> huats: there is, but the current changes do not look like meeting SRU criteria
[08:54] <huats> pitti:  ok
[08:54] <pitti> and I'm trying to stop people from putting too much work into intrepid
[08:55] <huats> pitti: sure
[08:55] <huats> I clearly understand that
[08:55] <pitti> we put so much work into hardy.1, that intrepid became really bad
[08:55] <pitti> and now we put so much work into intrepid SRUs that we don't spend on fixing Jaunty
[08:55] <pitti> etc.
[08:56] <huats> the thing is that at least one of the fixes has been asked many times on LP... that is why I wanted to talk to you about that
[08:56] <huats> pitti: yeah I know, that is a real problem that we split the forces...
[08:56] <pitti> huats: right, then the SRU should be requested on that bug, not a sponsoring bug
[08:57] <pitti> since on the sponsoring bug there are no users who are affected by that problem who could help testing SRUs, or demanding an SRU in the first place, etc.
[08:57] <pitti> (separate "SRU" bugs are bad, which is explained in the policy as well, BTW)
[08:57] <pitti> huats: so if you feel it's important, please add a intrepid task to that existing bug, and sub u-sru there, please
[08:58] <huats> pitti: in fact, I asked the SRU (after talking with seb), and then with pedro at the UDS we answer some existing bug that they might be fixed in the next upload...
[08:58] <huats> that is why they are separated...
[08:58] <huats> pitti: ok
[08:58] <pitti> huats: (don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against *this particular* SRU, but I object to the flood of SRUs which still hit intrepid)
[08:58] <huats> pitti: I have clearly understand your point
[08:58] <huats> at it is really a good one...
[08:59] <huats> I'll talk with seb once he is online, and I'll tell you after :)
[08:59] <crevette> hello gents
[08:59] <huats> thanks for your answers martin
[08:59] <huats> hello crevette
[08:59] <crevette> Happy new year
[08:59] <crevette> I hop the better for everyone and for me also
[09:00] <huats> :)
[09:00] <huats> of course the better for you too ;)
[09:00] <huats> crevette: are you attending the fosdem again ?
[09:00] <crevette> hmmm
[09:00] <crevette> no I think
[09:01] <crevette> I will be difficult, and I need to keep some money
[09:01] <crevette> :)
[09:01] <huats> :)
[09:01] <crevette> I'm trying to order some stickers for GNOME and tee-shirts
[09:01] <crevette> to have some goodies to sell
[09:01] <huats> great
[09:02] <seb128> huats: I'm online for a bit, didn't see me join the chan? ;-)
[09:02] <crevette> salut seb128
[09:03] <seb128> lut crevette
[09:03] <huats> seb128: nope :)
[09:03] <huats> hello o/
[09:04] <crevette> hey hey andreasn
[09:04] <andreasn> hi crevette
[09:04] <crevette> happy new year
[09:04]  * pitti hugs seb128, bonjour and happy new year!
[09:04] <andreasn> thanks, you too!
[09:07] <crevette> seb128, I packaged some GNOME tarball, and create a bug for sponsoring if you're interested with
[09:08] <seb128> happy new years
[09:08] <seb128> crevette: I was on holidays for almost 3 weeks, I've some thousand of mails, packages, etc to catchup on now, will probably takes some days
[09:09] <crevette> seb128, yeah yeah
[09:09] <crevette> I sure packaging is not you first goals in the coming week
[09:09] <seb128> new GNOME this week so I'll probably do some packaging and sponsoring
[09:10] <crevette> my packaging sill be superseeded by new upstream release
[09:10] <davmor2> seb128: Happy new year back at you :)
[10:33] <Keybuk> The following people reported more than 250 bugs in 2008:
[10:33] <Keybuk>    454    Pedro Villavicencio
[10:33] <Keybuk>    402    Sebastien Bacher
[10:33] <Keybuk> :o)
[10:34] <slomo> seb128, mvo: does jaunty already use the new gstreamer codec installation stuff? :)
[10:36] <mvo> slomo: not yet, but we plan to
[10:36] <slomo> ok :)
[10:36] <mvo> slomo: where is the upstream vcs?
[10:36] <mvo> slomo: or should I use the packages in experimental?
[10:36] <slomo> mvo: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gstreamer/
[10:37] <slomo> that's the same as in experimental though... oh, and the updated gnome-app-install is in pkg-gnome (and experimental) :)
[10:37] <mvo> slomo: the python-apt in bzr has gtk widget stuff now too (so you can get rid of the synaptic dependency soon)
[10:38] <mvo> slomo: what patch was needed for g-a-i? just disabling it?
[10:38] <slomo> yes
[10:38]  * mvo nods
[10:39] <glatzor> hello slomo
[10:39] <glatzor> slomo, I would like to help out on gnome-codec-install. Where do you host the repository?
[10:39] <slomo> glatzor: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gstreamer/experimental/gnome-codec-install/
[10:40] <slomo> if you have an alioth account i can add you :)
[10:40] <glatzor> slomo, The gstreamer support could be added easily to python-apt.
[10:41] <slomo> what would you like to have in python-apt?
[10:41] <glatzor> slomo, so you don't need to do all the regex work
[10:41] <glatzor> apt.Package.providesGstreamerElement()
[10:41] <mvo> slomo: could you please apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/100226/ ?
[10:41] <glatzor> slomo, but I am not sure if element is the correct term
[10:42] <slomo> yeah, that would be great :) also what should definitely be done is moving the packages searching into another thread ;)
[10:42] <slomo> mvo: thanks
[10:43] <glatzor> slomo, I did a small test at UDS and the search was quite fast. I would guess a second
[10:44] <slomo> glatzor: it's even faster in another thread because now i'm polling the main loop every n packages ;)
[10:45] <slomo> glatzor: and if you add support for this into python-apt you need one method for every new control field (i.e. 6 or 7) ;)
[10:46] <glatzor> slomo, I would like to deal this with parameters
[10:47] <glatzor> slomo, apt.Package.hasGstreamerPlugin(self, type, structure, version=None)
[10:47] <glatzor> slomo, that is what I am currently doing in my local branch
[10:47] <glatzor>         @type:      Can be of value encoder, decoder, element, urisink
[10:47] <glatzor>                     or urisource
[10:47] <glatzor>         @structure: Can be the caps in case of decoder or encoder or the
[10:47] <glatzor>                     name of an element, sink or source
[10:48] <slomo> or that, yes ;) but this will mean that python-apt will depend on python-gst0.10... that's no problem?
[10:49] <seb128> Keybuk: hey we rock ;-)
[10:49] <glatzor> slomo, we try to import gst and if it is not available the method will not work
[10:49] <glatzor> slomo, so in the end it will be a suggestion in the debian terminology
[10:49] <slomo> ok
[10:50] <glatzor> slomo, mvo oh, I have to leave for my train to work! See you later
[10:50] <Keybuk> seb128: you do indeed ;)
[10:51] <mvo> slomo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/100231/ <- and this one please (plus svn add README)
[10:54] <slomo> done :)
[10:58] <mvo> slomo: is there a reason it does not use glade (or the new gtkui stuff)? to keep dependencies lean etc?
[11:00] <slomo> mvo: IMHO the ui is simple enough to not use glade
[11:01] <mvo> slomo: ok, thats fine, I was just curious
[11:18] <seb128> hey pedro_, happy new year!
[11:18]  * pedro_ hugs seb128
[11:18]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[11:18] <pedro_> seb128: happy new year to you too!
[11:19] <pedro_> mvo: hello!, happy new year ;-)
[11:19] <mvo> hey pedro_! happy new year
[11:40] <seb128> brb
[12:02] <slomo> seb128: please sync gtask from debian/unstable :)
[12:32]  * Keybuk makes a song about Evolution
[12:32] <Keybuk> o/~ 15 unread mails in the folder
[12:32] <Keybuk> o/~ 15 unread mails in the folder
[12:32] <Keybuk> o/~ you take one down, err there isn't one
[12:32] <Keybuk> o/~ rm folders.db
[12:37]  * pochu waves :)
[13:09] <seb128> hey pochu, happy new year
[13:13] <pochu> seb128: happy new year to you too!
[13:13] <pochu> hope you enjoyed your holidays ;)
[13:14] <seb128> pochu: very much thanks
[13:14] <seb128> pochu: you?
[13:14] <seb128> pochu: any news on libproxy since before the holidays btw?
[13:15] <pochu> me too, had good times with my 1 year old nephew :)
[13:15] <pochu> seb128: I feel it's ready to be uploaded, but there were some security concerns in debian-devel about libproxy I wanted to investigate
[13:15] <pochu> seb128: but the packaging is done
[13:15] <seb128> ok good
[13:16] <seb128> do you have the files somewhere?
[13:16] <seb128> I'll sponsor the upload this week
[13:16] <pochu> seb128: they are in pkg-gnome
[13:16] <seb128> ok good
[13:16] <pochu> but if you want I can prepare a -0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:16] <seb128> that would be nice, until it's accepted in debian better to not use -1
[13:17] <pochu> yeah
[13:20] <huats> seb128: regarding the gnome-keyring issue, I've just had a quick look at the svn, and the call to that undefined macro are all from the last commit... I thing that they are just the result of a mistake... (since the macro is defined nowhere). I am waiting for the answer of the upstream
[13:20] <seb128> huats: ok good
[13:43] <crevette> thanks seb128 for the uploads
[13:43] <seb128> crevette: I didn't do sponsoring yet, that's probably a thanks to dholbach for those
[13:43] <crevette> ah okay :)
[13:43] <seb128> I'm still catching up on mails and bugs
[13:53] <seb128> crevette: btw if you can open the bug before doing the update so you can close the bug in the changelog
[13:54] <seb128> crevette: I just closed the gedit update bug
[13:54] <crevette> ah thanks
[13:54] <crevette> that's what said huats to me, next time I'll do that in this order
[13:54] <crevette> so I'll put the bug number in the changelog
[13:55] <huats> :)
[14:04] <huats> seb128: waiting for the gnome-keyring / seahorse stuff, I'll have a look at the new anjuta...
[14:04] <seb128> huats: ok
[14:37] <seb128> huats: oh btw be careful with the gnome-keyring upgrade, I did package 2.25.3 before the holidays, they changed the session handling and that was breaking the guest account login on my config that's why I didn't upload
[14:38] <seb128> huats: I didn't investigate and didn't want to upload before running in holidays either
[14:38] <seb128> huats: could be fixed in the new version though
[14:38] <huats> seb128: ok I'll have a close look at that...
[14:38] <seb128> huats: just make sure you can still start your session and a guest one ;-)
[14:39] <huats> ok :)
[14:39] <huats> I'll do as soon as it is fixed :)
[15:05] <pitti> seb128: let me know if you need my help with updating gdm-guest-session
[15:05] <pitti> seb128: I mean, if it needs adaptions to new -keyring/-session, I'll do that
[15:06] <seb128> pitti: is gdm-guest-session doing anything special? I didn't think to blame it but rather took that as a gnome-keyring bug
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: not "special" in the keyring sense
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: (/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/guest-session-setup.sh)
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: maybe it uses some new privilege, and trips over apparmor?
[15:07] <pitti> dmesg check might be worth a look
[15:07] <pitti> if it's not that, I don't know
[15:07] <seb128> pitti: I'll try again and let you know if I figure something
[15:07]  * pitti hugs seb128
[15:07]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[15:07]  * pitti goes back to fixing apport
[15:07] <seb128> pitti: is there a writable user directory for the guest user?
[15:07] <pitti> jaunty broke it
[15:08] <pitti> seb128: it gets a temporary home, of course
[15:08] <seb128> I guess there is nothing specific about the permissions there that could create an issue
[15:08] <pitti> /tmp/guest-session.12345/ something like this
[15:08] <seb128> anyway I'll try the new version and ping you back if required
[15:08] <seb128> thanks
[15:23] <seb128> vuntz: hey
[15:24] <vuntz> seb128: hola
[15:24] <seb128> vuntz: happy new year!
[15:24] <seb128> vuntz: had good holidays?
[15:25] <vuntz> seb128: bonne année aussi
[15:25] <vuntz> and of course, good holidays ;-)
[15:27] <seb128> vuntz: good
[15:28] <seb128> vuntz: did you get any feedback on the libapplet change?
[15:28] <vuntz> seb128: nope
[15:28] <seb128> ok, I'm wondering if I should do the update or still wait a bit ;-)
[15:29] <vuntz> I think it's looking fine from the GNOME side, especially with the new tarballs that will come this week
[15:29] <seb128> going to roll new tarballs this week btw? or there was no change since the previous ones?
[15:29] <vuntz> unsure about the outside world
[15:29] <vuntz> I'll roll tarballs
[15:29] <seb128> bah
[15:29] <seb128> would have been nice to start the year quietly and not under new tarballs ;-)
[15:30] <seb128> ok, will wait for those then before starting on the updates
[15:30] <vuntz> heh, lazy you! :-)
[15:30] <seb128> hey, I admit, I'm lazy ;-)
[15:31] <seb128> do you really have changes or do you just roll new tarballs to keep packagers busy? ;-)
[15:33] <huats> seb128: I think he want to busy distributors...
[15:33] <seb128> yeah, me too
[15:33] <huats> and happy new year vuntz btw :)
[15:36] <vuntz> huats: hello
[15:37] <vuntz> seb128: there's no change in gnome-panel, actually
[15:37] <seb128> see ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> huats, pochu: does any of you want to do a mir for libunique? it's required to build the new nautilus
[15:53] <huats> seb128: pochu, I am ok to do it... but since I have never done one before it might take me a bit long
[15:53] <seb128> huats: you never did one before? good idea to do one now then ;-)
[15:53] <seb128> huats: it's pretty easy, just follow the wiki template
[15:53] <huats> seb128:  yep :)=
[15:53] <huats> (i am looking at it now)
[15:53] <huats> seb128: so count on me
[15:54] <huats> seb128: I'll start doing it tomorrow
[15:54] <seb128> ok
[15:55] <seb128> pitti: you will have time to do this mir review today or tomorrow or should I try to ping somebody else in the mir team? there is no real hurry but nautilus 2.25 depwait on it so would be nice to unblock that this week
[16:18] <pitti> re
[16:18] <pitti> seb128: whoever gets it first, but please ping me when it becomes urgent; next days should be ok
[16:19] <seb128> pitti: ok thanks
[16:19] <seb128> mvo: would it be possible to automatically detect the upgrades interrupted by the user and not send those as bug?
[16:21] <mvo> seb128: intrrupted via ctrl-c ? should be doable
[16:21] <seb128> mvo: and could you look at bug #306095? I think that's a known duplicate and you had a patch for that or something
[16:21] <seb128> mvo: yes
[16:28] <mvo> seb128: hm, that should be fixed alrady, strange.
[16:28] <seb128> mvo: could you reassign it to the right component at least?
[16:28] <seb128> I don't think that's a gnome-applet issue
[16:29] <mvo> no
[16:29] <mvo> and yes
[16:29] <mvo> reassign> yes
[16:29] <mvo> gnome-applet issue> no
[16:30] <seb128> thanks!
[16:30] <mvo> reassinged:  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)^M
[16:41] <seb128> mvo: that's NOTABUG then? ie, user did ctrl-c because that was taking a while?
[16:42] <mvo> seb128: I suspect so, however it may be scrollkeeper hanging and the user was desperate
[16:42] <mvo> :)
[16:42] <seb128> mvo: you don't like to close bugs ;-)
[16:42] <seb128> mvo: that's the sort of bugs I do close usually
[16:43] <mvo> seb128: go ahead :)
[16:46] <seb128> mvo: done
[16:51] <didrocks> seb128: (hi), if you have anything that you really want to sort out to get my hands warmer, do not hesitate :)
[16:51] <seb128> hey didrocks
[16:51] <seb128> didrocks: nothing urgent but there is enough GNOME updates to do to keep you busy if you want to do some ;-)
[16:52] <didrocks> (btw, I just hope it's warmer in our home than in Paris currently :))
[16:52] <didrocks> seb128: for sure, give it now ;)
[16:52] <didrocks> or do you want i seek for them?
[16:53] <seb128> didrocks: any preference? there is gnome-games gnome-control-center totem and some others
[16:53] <seb128> they will probably roll tarballs later today and tomorrow too
[16:53] <didrocks> ok, beginning with gnome-control-center, then totem :)
[16:53] <seb128> ok
[16:53] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-control-center/2.25/gnome-control-center-2.25.3.tar.gz
[16:53] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/totem-pl-parser/2.25/totem-pl-parser-2.25.1.tar.gz
[16:54] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/totem/2.25/totem-2.25.3.tar.gz
[16:54] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[16:54] <seb128> didrocks: mvo put g-c-c in bzr so bonus point if you use it
[16:54] <didrocks> I will get them :)
[16:54] <mvo> bzr++
[17:00] <didrocks> I don't see it in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop
[17:02] <mvo> bzr+ssh://mvo@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/gnome-control-center/ubuntu/
[17:03] <didrocks> mvo: thanks
[17:06] <mvo> didrocks: I'm happy to merge it from your branch and upload when its ready :)
[17:08] <didrocks> mvo: ok, will give it a try and push in my bzr/code lp account, then, request a merge to yours, right? :)
[17:08] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, request the merge via irc, then I do it right away
[17:10] <didrocks> no pb, I think I will just take some time has I have to understand how it works (only debian/ directory, the source is not included, etc.). I previoulsy use bzr only for my personal work, not the bzr-builddeb plugin :)
[23:45] <philsf> I want to confirm Bug #212098, but I'd like to be sure I'm not missing something here. Anyone here familiar with the samba/libpam-smbpass issue?
[23:49] <philsf> guess I'm in the wrong timezone