=== fenris__ is now known as fenris- === fenris- is now known as ejat [00:50] I have two ubuntu servers, alpha acts as DHCP/TFTP/NFS server from which beta does a TFTP boot with NFS root. All this works ok, but beta will disappear from the network periodically: i.e. ping reports 'Destination host unreachable' and ongoing samba transfers timeout. logging in to beta locally and running a command will make it reachable again for a while. What's happening here? [00:54] nemoego > I had a similar issue once [00:54] are you using network bonding? [00:56] yann2: don't think so, that's using multiple interfaces with one IP, right? [00:56] yes [00:56] my other question would be, is the server virtualized [00:57] a stupid guess could also be: you have an IP conflict somewhere and the switch gets confused [00:57] try assigning another IP [00:58] the nfs root was originally made with a virtual machine, but it's running on metal now, DHCP doesn't assign IPs in the range beta is in, and i think if I change IPs i will lose my NFS root, no? [00:59] well just check there is no conflict at swtich level [01:00] yeah, there are 6 machines on the network and the 2 have static IPs and the rest are getting dynamic IPs from the server properly [01:01] it's almost like beta is forgetting it has an IP until I force it to access the NFS share... [01:02] I bet it's more the switch that gets confused with the mac address :P [01:02] or maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I would investigate :) [01:02] how would I go about that? [01:07] when you say [01:07] logging in to beta locally and running a command will make it reachable again [01:07] that command has to be network related? [01:08] or a simple ls is enough? [01:08] is it a manageable switch? [01:09] since it's an NFS root, any command forces access to the NFS server (alpha), also the first command takes 30-60 seconds, subsequent commands are instant [01:09] switch is a cheap wifi router [01:11] also, i notice this problem mostly because it interrupts my samba transfers to beta, so i'm communicating with the machine when it disappears [01:48] Has anyone here fooled with webcamd before? [03:49] yoza - is there an easy way to upgrade 32-bit hardy heron to 64-bit hardy w/o complete re-install? URI plz... :-) [08:43] suggestions for a mail server simply for sending mail from a lamp server? debating postfix or sendmail [08:43] never choose sendmail [08:45] that bad? or just no good options? [08:46] postfix [08:46] Exim [08:46] :) [08:46] ssmtp [08:46] Net::SMTP [08:47] mail() [08:47] Net::Telnet [08:47] echo, cat, |, netcat [08:47] pteague: just stay with the default postfix install [08:48] pteague: Postfix is easy and works out of the box on Ubuntu [08:48] at this point i'd like to just get `php -r 'mail( "valid@email.com", "testing", "this is a test email." );';` to work :) [08:48] k [08:48] * henkjan hands an exchange 2k3 install cd to Jeeves_ [08:49] um, which configuration thing should i choose? internet site, internet w/smarthost, satellite system... ? [08:49] henkjan: Bah! [08:49] i know when i'm behind cox i have to use their mail servers :( [08:49] Internet site usually if you're an Internet site :) [08:50] this is home file/web server ... & test server [08:50] moin [08:50] pteague: Then you'll probably want to use your ISP's mail server as a smarthost. [08:50] probably won't be receiving email except via fetchmail ... [08:52] ok, what should i use as the system mail name? my main site's domain or cox.net ? [08:57] your.domain.co.au [09:00] the smtp relay host i'm guessing is the smpt.isp.com mail server i need to send through [12:26] Hello, does ubuntu provide some web-based tool for managing the server ? [12:36] <_ruben> !ebox [12:36] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [12:36] <_ruben> AnAnt: ^^ [12:52] ok [13:00] hello! [13:01] this might be a little Off-Topic but i need some hints or opinions for NAS/SAN :) [13:01] i would like to save about 4-6TB. I could just use a Debian Box with a Raid5 controller and SATA. Or maybe just a JBOD attached by eSATA? [13:02] or should i not use a operating system at all and use an appliance? [13:09] spiekey: you might be better off looking a a server/server cluster that connects to a SAN backend via fibre-channel SCSI. I've use infortrend int eh past and that seems to work pretty well if its of any help? === GTDuffman is now known as MaxPower === MaxPower is now known as MaxPower99 [13:54] _ruben: thanks [14:13] ScottK: when would be a good time to cover the server migration you mentioned last week? :) [14:13] Now isn't so bad. [14:13] excellent [14:13] I did do a bit of work on it over my Christmas holiday, so there are some removals pending. [14:14] Currently we have DB4.2 -> 4.7 in the archive. [14:14] The goal is to get that down to as few as possible. [14:14] ok [14:14] Currently 4.2 needs to stay due to some openldap oddities. [14:14] zul: Did openldap ever get working on later than 4.2? [14:15] Most things are on 4.6/4.7. [14:15] So the goal is to kill of 4.3/4.4/4.5. [14:15] Each of them still has a few rdepends. [14:15] ScottK: probably I havent checked in a while though [14:15] I did get to file a removal bug on one of them. [14:15] zul: Could you add that to your Jaunty list of stuff to do? [14:16] It'd be nice to get that one out of Main and maybe even out of the archive. [14:16] vorian: So look at the rdepends for each binary and then see if you can get them to work with a later version. [14:17] You can also look in Debian for patches as they were trying to do the same thing for Lenny. [14:17] ScottK: is this just for jaunty? or 8.04+? [14:18] vorian: Jaunty. [14:18] roger [14:18] ScottK: you mean my never-ending-todo-list-that-grows-ever-bigger-by-the-second? [14:19] zul: Yes or the "list-of-stuff-to-get-mathiaz-to-do". [14:21] hi! why the heck doesn't oprofile recognize vmlinux? [14:21] root@db25:/a# opcontrol --vmlinux=/boot/vmlinux-debug-2.6.24-22-server [14:21] The specified file /boot/vmlinux-debug-2.6.24-22-server does not seem to be valid [14:21] :) [14:23] * domas reviews 'opcontrol' [14:24] ah, found the problem %) [14:24] dependancy bug [14:26] anyone would know why rsync would be hitting sys% that much, with such profile: http://p.defau.lt/?hkE20oFLHK1UQYzFisbnMg [14:28] Any reason why I wouldn't want to run a sudo aptitude update/install/safe-upgrade? [14:29] And anyone know some good software to test the security of my server? [14:31] is there a way i can prevent apt from starting/ stopping services? [14:31] daemons/init scripts whatever you want to call them [14:36] Shoopuf: what kind of server is it? (DB/LAMP/LDAP?) there'll be a tool to test it! [14:37] ProfFalken: LAMP [14:39] I smell a regression somewhere :( [14:40] Shoopuf: http://www.howtoforge.com/apache_security_testing_with_nikto - it's a bit old (dapper) but it refers to Nikto (http://www.cirt.net/nikto2) which will help you. [14:46] anyone in here know why I wouldn't be able to su from root to another user without typing the passwords? [14:47] what the heck [14:47] if I rsync single file, it is copied at 100MB/s [14:48] if I rsync that same file as part of directory copy, it is copied at 10MB/s [14:48] and most of time is spent in kernel [14:59] w00t! Fixed it - /etc/pam.d/su did not have "auth sufficient /lib/security/rootok.so". it all works now... :o) [15:03] hi, "virsh -c qemu:///system shutdown machine-name" doesn't stop my machine... [15:13] hi i cannot shutdown kvm machines! [15:13] someone can help me? [15:27] ProfFalken: oh dear ;P [15:30] Got it to run but don't understand most of the output. :P [15:33] eolo999: what kind of kvm machines? [15:35] Is there a way for me to password-protect one particular directory if someone tries to navigate to it with a URL? [15:37] i know there's a way but what's the best way :) [15:43] Shoopuf: look into .htaccess files - they rock! As for Nikto, I've not used it for a while but I'm sure Google can help you with the results... ;o) [15:44] ProfFalken: yah i found the site that lists what each error is... http://osvdb.org/show/osvdb/3092 [16:01] does anyone know how to fix locales stuff? http://paste.ubuntu.com/100395/ [16:02] sommer: ping [16:02] jussi01: dpkg-reconfigure locales [16:02] ProfFalken: ahh, thanks! [16:06] Is NFS the natural choice for serving up filespace from Ubuntu Server to Xubuntu? [16:07] ball: Most of the time, I use Samba. [16:07] zul: yl [16:07] zul: err yo [16:08] ScottK: what is the specific argument for apt-rdepends to work it's magic? [16:09] Hello soren, haven't seen you for about a hundred years. [16:09] ball: I've never left :) [16:09] vorian: apt-cache rdepends libdb4.5 [16:10] sommer: where is the ebox stuff again? [16:10] i thought it was apt-rdepends -r/b or something like that [16:11] ah [16:11] ok [16:11] thanks ScottK [16:11] 17:08 < sztomi> I'm trying to establish an ssh connection between two ubuntu boxes. The problem is that whenever I set a static ip address on the server, it gets reset after a few seconds. I managed to connect once, but a few minutes later, the connection was frozen, and when I checked, the static IP was reset on the server. Can you help me? [16:11] 17:08 < sztomi> I'm trying to establish an ssh connection between two ubuntu boxes. The problem is that whenever I set a static ip address on the server, it gets reset after a few seconds. I managed to connect once, but a few minutes later, the connection was frozen, and when I checked, the static IP was reset on the server. Can you help me? [16:11] It looks like 4.6 is the one that needs work [16:11] sry [16:12] vorian: True, but it'd be nice to finish off 4.3/4.4/4.5 and get them removed. [16:12] Of course those are mostly the hard ones left. [16:13] sztomi_: did you tell your DHCP server to provide the same IP address consistently to the machine you're trying to ssh into? [16:13] ScottK: all i see in .3/.4/.5 are libdb4.*-dev and db4.*-util [16:13] 4.2 and 4.6 have a bunch yet [16:14] vorian: You need to look at all the binaries. [16:14] vorian: e.g. apt-cache rdepends libdb4.5++ [16:14] ahhh, ok [16:15] * vorian is slow [16:15] vorian: apt-cache showsrc db4.5 will show you a list. [16:15] nod :) [16:15] * vorian gets cracking [16:16] zul: in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~asommer/+archive [16:16] holy moly, that's a bunch of stuff [16:20] ball: I forgot it: I'm trying to establish a point-to-point connection, so no dhcp. [16:22] sztomi_: point-to-point between two machines in the same room? [16:22] ...or between two sites? [16:35] ball: same room [16:35] I want to transfer files from one box to another [16:38] brb [16:39] re [16:40] sztomi: are both machines on the same physical LAN? [16:40] they are connected with a crossover ethernet cable [16:40] ah good [16:40] Did you statically-assign IP addresses to the interface on each machine? [16:41] yes [16:41] but on the server it keeps reseting to dhcp [16:41] after a few minutes [16:42] hello - I think I have a security problem on one of my server. I find this in the access.log for apache. [16:42] 213.155.227.229 - - [28/Dec/2008:23:03:09 +0100] "\x16\x03\x01" 501 412 "-" "-" [16:43] what does the x16\x03 ... mean. I guess the 501 and 412 are the apache response codes. [16:43] sztomi: okay, so you need to find out how to configure your box for static IP [16:44] It looks as if a foreign IP has made a http request to another server. - which is kind of worrieing. [16:44] I did configure it. I even connected once, but after a minute or two it just reseted (only on the server). [16:44] I did: ifconfig eth1 ipaddr [16:44] ifconfig eth1 down [16:44] then up [16:45] when I check it, it's there [16:45] but one minute later, it isn't [16:48] That machine is not also connected to a LAN? [16:49] (other than the two-node LAN formed by the crossover cable) [16:49] it is [16:49] there are two interfaces [16:50] okay, my guess is the Ubuntu server box is confused. [16:50] eth0 is connected to lan [16:50] eth1 is the one I'm trying to connect with the other box [16:50] Hopefully someone here knows how to tell it to be a DHCP client on *only* one of its interfaces [16:50] I'm really interested in this because it's on my list of things to do this week. [16:52] ball: dhclient ethx [16:54] ProfFalken: how do you configure that permanently? === specialK1vin is now known as specialKevin [17:05] this looks promising: http://dirn.name/2008/11/how-to-set-static-ip-on-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex/ [17:07] but what is that nameserver stuff for? [17:08] you can probably not worry about your resolv.conf if you're configuring a static ip on the same subnet as the dhcp pool [17:08] also remember to `ps ax|grep dhclient` and kill any dhclient processes that are running [17:11] Deeps: these are two separate LANs though [17:11] physically separate === kirkland` is now known as kirkland [17:14] it works fine [17:34] ball: I configure it in /etc/network/interfaces in the same way I configure a Debian Server. === espacious_ is now known as espacious === jmarsden_ is now known as jmarsden|work [18:30] hello. ive used CentOS for years and im moving to Ubuntu server, but im perplexed that when trying to install mdadm, it has dependencies on citadel-server, citadel-mta etc. what is that??? [18:30] those dependencies should not exist [18:35] finite9: did you ever try to install citadel? [18:35] no why? [18:35] here mdadm install without problems [18:35] could you pastebin your apt-get intall output? [18:36] apt-cache show mdadm | grep Depends: # does not show a dependency on citadel here either... [18:37] yes, mdadm will install, but it also wants to install citadel-server which I do not want. I do not understand why mdadm forces me to install a mail server. it does not list citadel as a dependency in apt-cache showpkg, but it does have mail-transport-agant, and that probably depends on citadel [18:37] yep sure [18:37] how to avoid kswapd deadlocks? :) [18:37] sorry not sure how to paste bin? how do you do that or do you just mean paste it into this window? [18:38] finite9: You should probably install ssmtp (minimal mail server) and then mdadm. [18:38] It wants one se it can email you error when the software RAID fails... [18:39] ok..makes sense. i used mailx on centos maybe that will fulill the dependency [18:39] BTW which version of Ubuntu server are you using; the Intrepid version of mdadm does not seem to have this dependency [18:39] mailx is not a mail server... [18:40] yepp it is a fresh intrepid installation with only xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and fluxbox installed on the base install [18:40] finite9: For use of pastebin go to http://paste.ubuntu.com -- it is a way of providing many lines of info to IRC users without flooding the channel. [18:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/100477/ [18:41] is that how you do it? just provide url---+ [18:42] Yes. Ah, OK, it *recommends* mail-transport-agent ... try sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends mdadm [18:42] If you really do not want an MTA [18:44] do I need the MTA to get local mail reports from mdadm? I do want to receive mail about mdadm. I was a bit confused...I realise now that mailx is not a mail server.. I was simply using the "mail" program on Centos to read local mail and see reports from mdadm [18:45] thanks for the --no-install-recommends tip. that did the trick, but what can I install as a base minimum to get local mail? just ssmtp? [18:49] finite9: ssmtp is for outgoing mail via some smarthost (such as your ISP's mail server) [18:49] If you need a real local email server, you'd want something more like postfix and dovecot [18:57] jmarsden: thanks. will check how CentOS is setup and install equivalent on Ubuntu [19:19] o route to hos [19:41] zzz [19:46] New bug: #313960 in dnsmasq "Please update dnsmasq hardy packages to version 2.46" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313960 [20:07] New bug: #291843 in pango-graphite (main) "firefox crashes like mad with double free or corruption (dup-of: 286119)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291843 [20:11] New bug: #309539 in samba (main) "firefox 3.0.4 / 3.0.5 + libnss_wins ibex netswitch samba = firefox crash (dup-of: 286119)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309539 [20:16] i'm liking some of the new changes in intrepid :) [20:43] !raid [20:43] raid is Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID wto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [20:45] he guys I'm figuring out if I shall use Debian or Ubuntu for a web/mail/dns server... this because of sudo [20:45] I have build my own management script and I don't want to sudo everything [20:45] I mean in my script [20:50] MatBoy: What does sudo has to do with the choice Debian vs. Ubuntu? You can go either way with both distributions. [20:50] andol: I need to change my script ? [20:50] I need to sudo all stuff [20:51] or is there a way to get around it ? [20:51] MatBoy: why would you need to change your scripts? [20:51] andol: because every command needs to be a sudo command ? [20:52] MatBoy: why? [20:52] not if you run the script as sudo [20:52] andol: because I need to restart apache, change configfiles, all from scripts [20:53] aurigus: yes, but how would you want to do that ? [20:53] I mean, I can make a user, sysadmin [20:53] MatBoy: Take a look inside /etc/init.d/ Do you see any sudo in them? [20:53] that user should not need to enter teh rootpassword everytime... or itś SUDO password [20:54] andol: apache restart requiers sudo [20:54] *requirs [20:55] MatBoy: yes, but you were talking about having to change your scripts. Just because you use sudo to run a script doesn't mean you have to change it. [20:55] andol: why not ? [20:56] MatBoy: But yes, if you really prefer a normal root account, there is nothing stopping you from enabling it in Ubuntu. [20:56] andol: no, why don't I need to edit my scripts ? every command needs "sudo" [20:56] MatBoy: apache restart requires sufficient permissions to restart...sudo provides that without compromising the security of the system to an extreme [20:57] zoopster: yes, but itś nicer to do stuff as root so you never have issues with config files, restarts, so on [20:57] MatBoy: Because, if you start the script with sudo, everything launched from inside that scripts inherits the same permissions. [20:57] MatBoy: if you run the script with sudo, any process forked with that script is already sudoed [20:58] someone please correct me if i am wrong, i am a relative ubuntu noob [20:58] aurigus: but you might understand how many scripts I have ? [20:58] hi someone knows a way to !!*&*#$%@! shutdown a kvm machine? [20:58] MatBoy: you can do things as root if you wish...not smart, but all you need to do is change the root password and what aurigus says is true [20:58] virsh doesn't work [20:58] kvm? [20:58] the system attached to the kvm? [20:58] aurigus: You've gotten it right. [20:59] andol: ah good. I am more familar with RH based systems :) [20:59] zoopster: I will not discuss the security issues as I know huge companies like ebay/google use root a lot and see the disadvanatages too of sudo from time to time... so [20:59] aurigus: Kernel Based Virtual Machine [20:59] ah, darn duplicate acronyms [20:59] aurigus: same kernel, same security model :) [20:59] ehhe [20:59] eheh [20:59] MatBoy: then simply change the password...Ubuntu creates a hash for the root password by default...you can change it if you wish [21:00] eolo999: you should be able to kill it's process, no? [21:00] zoopster: so easy?! [21:01] thanks [21:01] MatBoy: so just run the scripts as a root user, instead of your unprivledged user? [21:01] eolo999: the beauty of KVM over XEN for sure [21:01] MatBoy: if you run scripts that need root privs as a non-root user, you need sudo. if you dont want to use sudo, run the scripts as a privledged user [21:01] MatBoy: that, mind, is exactly the same in debian and in ubuntu [21:02] MatBoy: unless you setuid the processes your scripts call [21:02] MatBoy: *that* would be a security issue [21:02] MatBoy: `sudo su -` will give you a root shell in ubuntu, at which point you can assign a root password. [21:03] (and stop using sudo) [21:03] Deeps: sudo -i is the offical practise actually :-) [21:03] sudo -i, sudo -s, sudo su -, sudo bash, so many options [21:04] the 'correct' sudo way to define your root pass would be sudo passwd root [21:04] i guess [21:04] MatBoy: check man sudoers. if your scripts are in the same directory it would be a few chars and you could sudo without password. not that I would recommend it... [21:04] sudo smells, eitherway [21:05] zoopster: thx [21:06] eolo999: no problemo. [21:06] sudo is awesome if you know how to use it ;-) [21:06] Nafallo: that is the key...us impatient people can barely RTFM [21:06] Nafallo: do you check your $PATH and ensure whenever you use sudo that you're calling /usr/bin/sudo? [21:07] Nafallo: whenever you're away from your terminal, do you make sure it's locked so nobody can use it? [21:07] Deeps: the locking, yes. the path... if I have it in scripts. [21:07] i mean when you're using a terminal [21:08] I use my laptop and ssh mostly :-) [21:08] if I have to serial or so, I log out once sshd is up again :-) [21:08] because if you dont check your $PATH or dont explicitly call /usr/bin/sudo (opting for 'sudo' instead and letting your $PATH get you to /usr/bin), then your at as much risk as if you enable passwordless sudo [21:09] your userlevel account is compromised, your PATH is altered, sudo ends up taking you to ~/.hidden/sudo for example, which is a nice wrapper that stores your input and feeds it to the real sudo so you dont realise [21:09] ofc if your userlevel account is compromised through password breakage, attacker doesn't need to go that far either [21:10] I realise the dangers, yes. [21:10] (this is true of attempting to break into root through su as well mind) [21:10] my point being that passwordless sudo isn't really much of a risk unless you're actively monitoring against this kind of attack [21:10] security through obscurity once you choose the level you're confident being at. [21:11] if I'd like to have a secure server I would disconnect all cards and lock it in a bunker... [21:11] s/cards/cords/ [21:11] (this pretty much being the justification openssh/debian has for enabling ssh root logins by default) [21:12] Anyone read "Pro Ubuntu Server Administration"? [21:12] while i'd argue against that, as 'root' is a known login, while my username is not. however, unless you treat your user account as a privledged account, assuming that once someone gets into your account they'll effectively have root privs, and protect it accordingly, you're at risk [21:16] Deeps: mhh, you know most enterprise CP solutions even do stuff as root ? [21:16] New bug: #314173 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.2.3-1ubuntu3.4 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314173 [21:18] lukehasnoname: link? [21:18] http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-Server-Administration-Sander-Vugt/dp/1430216220/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231189989&sr=8-1 [21:18] MatBoy: yep, because the people operating their servers know what they're doing. sudo's great for people who dont. minimizes the risk of stuff going wrong. is more of a hinderance than useful if you know what you're doing though. [21:18] then nope [21:18] I read the "beginning" book, and it was alright, had some info I didn't know before. I think the "Beginning LTS" book he put out had some productive updates. [21:19] Deeps: I kinda know what I do ;) [21:19] but Ubuntu has newer packages than debian has... [21:19] and in my opinion ubuntu is faster than debian from time to time [21:20] MatBoy: ok, 'sudo's still nothing to make a choice between debian and ubuntu though. package versions, stability, drivers, those'd be things to look at. [21:20] Deeps: yes, but I want to leave the system as native as it can be [21:20] Ubuntu wins in packages ;) for sure [21:20] "as native" means? [21:20] ubuntu has more recent versions yes, but newer isnt always better, really depends on what your server's purpose is [21:21] Deeps: install packages and keep settings as the system sets them by default on OS level [21:21] ok [21:21] I see controlpanels even package their own packages for apache which I never liked [21:21] and don't understand [21:21] you'll need to check the packages in debian and ubuntu's default configurations to see if they suit your needs, you'll probably find little difference between debian and ubuntu packages mind [21:22] yep true, but I trust Ubuntu more these days if I may be honest [21:22] whatever makes you happy [21:22] Debian left me in the dark on Userlevel (WS) the first time, and server was not that nice also :) [21:22] Deeps: Ubuntu ;) why do you think I'm here ?? :p [21:23] debian is designed for servers, ubuntu was designed for desktops [21:23] you can get a gui for debian but it's not very well polished [21:23] Deeps: true, but Ubuntu server is very perfect !! [21:23] again, depends on your needs [21:23] I'm having a huge internal conflict [21:23] Opensolaris vs. Ubuntu for my test environment [21:23] lukehasnoname: take some paracetamol :D [21:23] i find it's good enough for most of my needs, but not all [21:24] Crossbow, ZFS and Sun's docs are so nice [21:24] Deeps: what ? debian ? [21:24] ubuntu [21:24] but Ubuntu is Linux, and it more used, with more tools [21:24] Deeps: and you prefer debian in some cases ? [21:24] lukehasnoname: there's a ubuntu/opensolaris crossover distro, opensolaris kernel, gnu userland with ubuntu packages [21:24] MatBoy: yep [21:24] lukehasnoname: so you get native zfs while sticking to familiar toosl [21:24] Deeps: I know what you mean... but Ubuntu holds more SW [21:25] Nexenta? [21:25] that might be the one [21:25] sounds right [21:25] i've heard they lack the resources to actually make it worthwhile, but that may just be dirty talk from solaris fanboys [21:26] lukehasnoname: nexenta is correct [21:27] Deeps: Everyone is lacking resources...I've been talking with their CEO and they seem to be doing quite well even signing on some interesting new vad's [21:28] nice [21:28] It's always saddened me that one of the most functional and inspiring open source projects, Ubuntu, restricted itself by using Linux instead of BSD (Solaris wasn't open at the time). [21:28] i might apply, nobody i can see is hiring [21:29] all my interviews in the last 3 months have been "we'd love to take you on, but we've just halted all new external hires, sorry!" [21:29] wasting my time [21:29] Deeps: same with my main internship opportunity this past month [21:29] sucks dunnit [21:30] ya [21:30] gonna start calling them all up again tomorrow though, see if the new financial quarter reopens opportunity [21:30] where do you live, and what job are you looking for? [21:31] currently at my parents home in spain, just came from 3 months in dublin, moving to the uk end of the month to try my luck there [21:31] and anything with linux systems and/or networks [21:31] same [21:31] well [21:31] the job part, as an intern [21:31] although i'm biting the bullet and getting MCSE certified before i leave [21:31] since there's more windows jobs than linux jobs these days [21:31] probably a good call [21:31] and right now a job's a job [21:31] I'm going to get CCNA [21:32] and maybe look into LPI or some other Linux cert [21:32] along with the college degree I'm working on [21:33] gl [21:33] thanks [21:33] I'm also constantly on the lookout for good business ideas, to start on my own [21:34] * ProfFalken is off to bed... good night everyone... [21:34] night [22:05] New bug: #314170 in freeradius (universe) "Freeradius package outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314170 [22:20] Is Diameter supposed to be superceding Radius? [22:22] diameter = 2r [22:22] :D [22:25] Deeps: Heh. I meant the one here rather :) http://www.opendiameter.org/ [22:59] New bug: #311487 in openldap (main) "ldap n-way multi master from Ubuntu Server guide" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311487 === liberfiasco is now known as libervisco