=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu [00:54] How do I uninstall the ubuntu-desktop meta package leaving only those required by the xubuntu-desktop meta package? [00:55] Can't you do it by Synaptic? [00:55] I have the inverse case, I have Kubuntu, and installed Xubuntu desktop and some packages of Gnome were installed [00:59] fbc if you have ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed if you remove ubuntu-desktop and then do an "apt-get autoremove" it should calculate the appropriate dependencies to remove. [00:59] juanantonio, yeah, but it will also uninstall those required xubuntu is any. [00:59] ThePub, awesome thanks [00:59] and if it doesn't, you can always followup with an install of xubuntu-desktop, right? :) [01:00] yeah, I guess [01:00] thing is, that any programs you have installed that use gnome dependencies will keep them around. [01:00] Ok, I tell you because I do nothing but experimenting, and my last one was installing LXDE and Xubuntu desktps, that's why [01:01] ThePub, wel i want to get rid of those apps too. I'm sure if I unstall GNOME it will pormpt me to uninstall those as well. [01:01] it generally will, yes. [01:02] I just did that switch a couple days ago, tbh I don't recall what all got removed but it worked fin. [01:02] fine [01:02] then again, I didn't install xubuntu-desktop but xfce4 meta package. [01:24] Is there any way to enable the single click behavior on the desktop?? I can't find it anywhere. [01:29] Does anyone have an idea why creating a starter on the desktop causes the window to self-close when entering a name for it? [01:32] uhh, i just opened a folder to an automatically mounted cdrom drive that had been unmounted and is now being erased, and my file browser windows locked up. how can i unlock them without waiting for the cd to be erased, or just restart the whole process?? [01:34] fbc: can't say that I'm aware that's possible. it's possible inside Thunar but I don't think on the desktop. Kind of silly, but never bothered me. [01:35] what's the name of the xubuntu browser? [01:36] browser? [01:36] file browser [01:36] by default the file manager is Thunar [01:36] at least on current installs :) [01:36] ahh, so killall thunar should do the trick? [01:37] nvm, found it [01:37] no clue what you're doing so can't say. you could definitely try it I guess. Thunar is capitalized. [01:37] yea, i just noticed that running ps -e [01:38] i was trying to kill the browser process, since it locked up [01:39] !minimal [01:39] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:40] would the minimal disk from that page be alright for installing xubuntu using a server on the lan as a repository? [01:41] hi all, can anyone give me a hand lowering memory use in xubuntu? [01:42] basically a bare bones setup, no net connection, so no nm-applet or update-notifier [01:43] mcohen, :O [01:43] so what do you want? [01:44] well, it's on a 128MB ram machine [01:44] install xubuntu in a old pc [01:44] I know I know, below the minimum requirements [01:44] it's already there, I just want to trim down some of the memory use [01:44] for example, I went to settings/pref, and told update-notifier not to autostart, but it did anyway [01:46] ThePub, The reality is that I'm not a big fan of double-clicking especially since I've been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome. [01:46] mcohen, 128MB is enough [01:47] other examples - I had to install ubuntu-desktop package because it is needed by edubuntu-desktop, but I'm running xubuntu, so for example I don't need gnome-screensav and gnome-power-man to run at startup [01:47] xubuntu runs with 64MB [01:47] :P [01:47] how do I get these processes to not start up [01:47] in xfce? [01:47] Has someone an idea related to my question? [01:47] aplications - settings - autostart [01:47] unmark all [01:49] freego: you mean apps>settings>settings manager>autostarted apps? [01:49] yep [01:49] xD [01:50] * freego isn't in xfce right now [01:51] so I already tried that [01:51] :P [01:51] I unmarked update-notifier but it still ran at startup [01:51] do I need tracking and indexing? [01:51] what about this thin client thing [01:51] mmm.. I have not been using for 4 month [01:51] T_T [01:51] and finally, what is PulseAudio [01:52] mcohen, uninstall update-notifier [01:52] it's a streaming audio thingumywhatsit I think [01:52] ;...perhaps also a software mixer/mux [01:53] best keep? [01:53] also, I heard there's a memory leak in xfce4-menu-plug atm [01:54] brb, recabling [01:54] oh, it seems that removing update-notifier removes edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop [01:55] is that ok, I think those are vrtual packages just designed to be dependent on everything in edubuntu/ubuntu [01:55] they ae meta package I think [01:55] but check first [01:55] well, it says it will only free 418kb of space, so they must be meta packages [01:55] no need for them I think unless you're starting [01:56] what about gnome-screensav? [01:56] no idea sorry :) but a gnome thingy for sure [01:57] I mean, telling it not to autostart [01:57] bed'a'calling [01:57] nn all [02:05] How do you add a terminal icon to the desktop? what's the command that I put in the box. I tried term, but that was not it. [02:05] Is there and equivalent to ALT-F2 in gnome? [02:06] ALT-F2 is the run dialog. [02:07] Ahh it works in XFCE too.. [02:07] How do you add a terminal icon to the desktop? what's the command that I put in the box. I tried term, but that was not it. [02:07] xfce4-terminal [02:08] Xubuntu's surprising: I'm running full screen video on a 550 MHz Pentium III box [02:12] Hello, I was wondering if its hard to get xubuntu on a usb thumb drive [02:12] would it be hard for me to set up an apt repository so that i could do a net install of xubuntu from the packages stored on a regular xubuntu pc? [02:13] !reconstructor [02:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about reconstructor [02:13] !reconstructer [02:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about reconstructer [02:14] !aptoncd [02:14] APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers [02:14] william56: read above [02:15] the thing is AptonCD can't reinstall your applications, but instead it can just creat a repository. You're better off just downloading all your applications to the appropriate apt cache and copying those files to a cd. [02:15] then just copy them back. [02:16] Got any info on getting Xubuntu to run on USB drive? Should I be downloading the alternate install cd? [02:16] exad, there are plenty of tutorials for that. maybe not for xubuntu, but for at least ubuntu. [02:17] too bad k3b can't handle that automatically. I hear that Nero does. [02:17] I found one [02:17] it'll come, like all does. [02:17] but it's just not too specific [02:17] ron_o: nero does what? [02:18] so I dont know if I should download the desktop version or alternate install cd version [02:18] any wise counsel? [02:18] I hear that nero installs an iso to USB that's bootable. [02:18] §orry [02:19] exad, most likely the main version will do. You won't be installing it entirely to a USB key. Just the important parts. [02:20] thanks, R1cochet [02:20] william56: did u read ron_o's post right after mine tho? [02:21] yes, i think i'm gonna go with his advice [02:22] william56, you can just use synaptic and download everything without installing it. You'll figure it out. [02:22] if you purge your cache all the time. [02:23] fbc: that's why I personally try to avoid. between keyboard launching and extensive use of shortcuts my hands rarely move from the keyboard. aditionally all the stuff I want to access are on a couple of drop downs from the main panel. going to the desktop just always felt wierd to me. [02:23] ron_o, will that pull the dependencies as well? [02:23] ohh, i just want the updates and new apps i've installed on this pc, plus all the non updated stuff from my latest version xubuntu cd [02:23] k thanks [02:24] thanks for the help guys, [02:25] is there anything else I can remove to save memory in xubuntu? [02:25] R1cochet, hmmm, I think it will. It should. [02:25] okay, so i have a folder with a bunch of deb files on them, plus the xubuntu cd. anyone know of a guide for changing the minimal install cd so that it'll read packages from cd? [02:25] The majority of the memory is taken by xfce stuff [02:26] mcohen, don't use applets. [02:26] fbc: you can supplement mousing by using the run dialogue at a very minimum (alt+f2 default). a better alternative is something like gnome-do which can run anything in your menu by name, or personally I use gmrun which is just an enhanced run box. [02:26] or a lot anyway [02:26] ThePub, thanks [02:26] mcohen, how much memory you got? [02:26] 128mb [02:26] wow [02:27] use fluxbox man.. [02:27] it ain [02:27] it ain't hard. [02:27] fluxbox? [02:27] it's definitely better than xfce in this case. [02:27] a window manager that is very minimalist. [02:28] 128 ain't nothing. [02:28] ok, I can install fluxbox, how do I make sure it gets used, and stop xfce from running? [02:28] I was using it with 312 or so of RAM and I was doing well in fluxbox, but as soon as I used xubuntu, it ran terribly. [02:29] mcohen, when you use your password, you can go into a fluxbox sesssion. [02:29] 128 is quite a bit actually :) [02:29] ThePub, for a bare minimalist firewall. [02:29] (depending on the task) [02:29] urgh [02:29] I'm only using 256 atm [02:30] just took a look at it, might be a bit too minimalist for my 11 yr old daughter [02:30] no swap, nothing.. that's all I'm using. :) [02:30] mcohen, you've a lot of work ahead. You sure you ... [02:30] oh, sorry. yah. [02:30] 612m for me :) [02:30] too minimalist.. [02:30] being used [02:30] mcohen, what's she using it for? [02:30] fluxbox is where it's at though. with a little work you can have a great environment. I'd suggest a different distro than ubuntu though [02:30] internet? [02:30] basically, the question is, what can I do to make this machine nicely usable for my 11 yr old running edubuntu programs [02:31] ThePub, nah, xubuntu is great with fluxbox. It doesn't interfere at all with it. [02:31] I can connect to the net, but the machine will not be connected regularly, I want to set it up and then remove the PC card wireless [02:31] mcohen, wow.. I think edubuntu is pretty intensive for RAM. [02:31] it's less the interface and more the extra baggage that ubuntu brings :) [02:32] I'd find out what in edubuntu looks good and then consider installing debian [02:32] go with a net install and work up from a bare machine. [02:35] mcohen, since it's a standalone machine just install edubuntu to it and see how it fares. [02:35] hmm, thanks [02:35] I'll just see how it goes for the moment [02:35] you'll have to experiment. [02:37] trying to advise you sometimes hurts you since I don't know your situation. To some folks waiting 10 seconds for a program to load is fine, and others forget it. [02:38] sys requirements: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574627 [02:38] I'm really getting into virtualization, so going back to me old machine isn't plausible anymore. [02:39] ron_o: I want a new machine that's kitted out for that. [02:40] Rules out a Celeron or Sempron [02:41] hello exad [02:50] * source is now playing disturbia - Rihanna [02:55] * source is now playing disturbia - Rihanna [02:55] :O [02:55] hmm [03:20] hi ball [03:46] Anyone have any thoughts on Songbird? [03:54] where do bug reports go ? [03:54] would it be hard to modify a minimal installer to install xubuntu's default packages plus any updates i have lying around from the cd? [04:05] william56, not [04:06] you can download netinst [04:06] and then install all of you want [04:07] netinst, eh.. is there a package for it? [04:07] oh, you mean the cd? [04:07] what do you want do to [04:07] to do*? [04:08] a minimal install of xubuntu? [04:09] i want to install using a text mode installer with the packages stored on the disk, preferably ones copied from this pc [04:09] the packages stored on the cd, that is [04:10] install xubuntu first, then install the packages [04:10] :P [04:11] how do i install xubuntu without packages? i can do that from the minimal cd? [04:12] basically my isp has some major bandwidth issues, and i'm in need of a way to create a cd that'll install packages that are currently on my xubuntu graphical install cd, and run in text mode at the same time, as the minimal iso does (both of which i have) [04:12] or just in need of a way to install via the minimal iso and copy the packages from the cd later? could i do that? [04:15] on intrepid there is a wy to create bootable distros from a running one [04:20] guyiom: is there a tutorial on this [04:22] no i just saw the app 2 h ago [04:22] i ll refind he name [04:22] i think reconstructor [04:23] i had that app but never got around to using it [04:28] shit i made a nistake with the usb-creator stuff [04:28] would anyone mind telling me where the apt-get repo list is? i've decided to do a bare bones install from the minimal cd, and i'm wondering where the file is i need to edit to install packages from cd [04:28] anyway i have to go bed here it's 5h30 [04:29] you can add in your rep the cd instead of web link [04:29] or a place inyour hd [04:29] ciao [04:29] cya [04:30] i was planning on doing that, wondering where the config file you add them to is [05:02] i have a disc in a dvd drive and i cant eject it [05:03] thunar doesnt show it in the drop down menu either [05:03] how can i get it to eject for me? [05:03] has anyone run into an issue where an idle laptop will go into sleep mode immediately upon being unplugged? [05:04] R1cochet: try "eject" at a $ prompt [05:09] ball: thank you i tried it after i navigated into that directory and it wouldnt work [05:47] i'm about to ask a taboo question, but it's for good reason. How do i turn off the Xubuntu login screen. This is for a laptop that won't see the internet practically at all if ever... [05:48] basically, i want my grandma to be able to boot up xubuntu and just end up on the desktop. [05:49] adrift98: unix (and therefore Linux) doesn't work that way [05:50] sure it does. i've done it in Ubuntu [05:50] i think it should be achievable. [05:51] i've done that, there's a 'login automatically' tic button somewhere [05:51] i figured as much William, but i couldn't find it [05:51] i think i did mine when i was installing, lemme look around.. [05:51] okay, go to applications>settings>login window [05:51] ok thanks [05:51] ah i see it [05:52] :P [05:52] security maybe? [05:52] allow local systme admin login? [05:52] that's what i'm looking at [05:52] aha, well let me see if it works. thanks [05:52] one second, is local system admin the user? [05:52] yes [05:52] that's odd [05:52] is that the name you typed in during install? [05:53] yes [05:53] ohh, never midn [05:53] yea, that should do it [05:53] ok well we'll find out :D [05:54] so odd that people are so paranoid about booting into an OS without a login. I understand the paranoia behind it all, but for those who will never be on any sort of network, it seems unjustified. [05:54] ohwell. [05:56] okay, here's my question. during install from the latest minimal cd, it's made it to the 'detecting disks and other hardware' portion of it, and the screen just keeps going black then coming back to the detecting screen, without any other changes.. also i see killed instead of detect in the sentence 'detecting hardware, please wait...' [05:56] any suggestions on what might be wrong or how to fix it? [05:57] This is during the install? [05:58] adrift98: yes [05:59] i think it's because my hd is going bad.. but could there be another problem that i'm not aware of? i can get the pc specs if needed [06:00] did you interupt the install procedure at any point? like did you plug in a cat 5 cable or anything like that while it was installing? [06:01] i did the first time i was installing, but not the second time. and i don't think it came out during the installation, though it's possible [06:02] i had a similar issue... i was installing and plugged in a network cable when it was looking for a network. It jacked up the install somehow and i had to start all over again. the second time around it worked flawlessly [06:02] maybe 3 times a charm? [06:02] i'll give it a go.. looking at the bios menu though, i'm not 100% sure that the hd is even detected [06:05] but then again, that wouldn't be the problem if the bios wasn't detecting it, i guess [06:36] it doesn't appear that it's gonna work on the third try either.. [06:50] That's wierd, I can't ssh into my Xubuntu box [06:50] I bet it tried to standby and couldn't. [06:50] I should tell it not to try. [08:31] can i run a livecd without restarting? [08:34] R1cochet: what do you mean? [08:36] well im booted in xubuntu right now and would like to run a livecd without restarting and booting from it [08:36] what do you mean by 'run' then? [08:37] load the livecd and test drive it [08:37] I don't understand [08:38] R1cochet: you can run it in a virtual machine like vmware or qemu... [08:38] i would like to boot the livecd while still booted from my hdd [08:38] that doesn't make any sense [08:39] ok Nevermind then [08:39] thank you [08:39] what's the problem you are trying to solve? [08:40] i want to run a livecd i created without restarting and booting from disc [08:40] but why? [08:40] to see if i like it without restarting [08:41] ah, use a virtual machine then [08:41] can u recommend one? [08:41] I like qemu personally, but lots of people use vmware [08:42] they both work the same? [08:42] pretty much, vmware is more gui-driven [08:42] and proprietary [08:44] !qemu [08:44] qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo [08:44] !vmware [08:44] VMWare is not available in the Ubuntu repositories. Consider using !QEmu or !VirtualBox as alternatives. Instructions for installing VMWare manually are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware [08:50] so i could install an OS and play games written for windows just fine on either? [08:51] R1cochet: virtual machines are usually much slower than the host machine [08:51] R1cochet: but yes, you can install windows or any other operating system on a virtual machine [09:05] this should negate me needing a dual boot system then? [09:06] R1cochet: the virtual machine is much slower [09:08] ok [09:08] how do i run qemu? i have it installed [09:08] dual boot should only mean boots for both feet [09:08] cant find it [09:10] R1cochet: it's a command line utility [09:10] R1cochet: there are some graphical frontends [09:11] qemulator, qtemu, qemu-launcher [09:11] btw, if you install kqemu, it will be faster [09:18] ok [09:18] is there a tutorial that can explain where to go from there? [09:19] proably, I'd check the forums and google [09:28] TheSheep: do i need both kqemu-common and kqemu-source? [09:29] can you play WMV in 64 bit ? [09:29] R1cochet: I don't know exactly [09:30] Sinister: there are w64codecs in the medibuntu repository [09:30] Sinister: yes [09:30] Sinister: not sure whether they include your particular codec [09:30] dont work [09:30] though on some hdwmv the sound doesnt play but the vid is fine [09:31] i installed w64 still wont play [09:31] wmv is a general file format, it can be encoded with various codecs [09:34] i just installed vlc and it wont play them [09:47] erm, I have an icon on my panel that says "no network connections" [09:48] all fine and dandy, if it was a local machine I'd just assume the network card is down and try to probe some modules [09:48] however, it's an ltsp solution [09:48] and everything else is working, including the ssh connection to this screen [09:58] is it set for the right card ? [10:03] if i clear this directory: var/cache/apt/archives will i be ok? [10:05] R1cochet: do apt-get clear instead [10:05] (or clean?) [10:18] TheSheep: thank you [14:48] hello I am new to Linux and just installed yesterday, and now I want to network with my 2 windows machines using samba [14:49] I have samba all set up but I can't see them, they can see and use my files just fine but I can't see thiers [14:49] hello alienkid [14:49] hi [14:50] You have folders shared on the MS Windows machines? [14:50] My windows install on this machine can see them, just not Linux [14:50] yes [14:50] many [14:51] does it matter if I "installed inside windows"? [14:51] If you can mount the Windows boxen from Linux, probably not. [14:51] I don't know if I can mount them [14:52] I also don't have a connect to... menu in places [14:52] try and seek: pyneighborood [14:53] should help [14:53] in synaptic or add/remove? [14:54] not sure check them out [14:55] can't find it [14:56] true just checked it's not in the repositories, you'd have to build it if you wanted it, sorry [14:57] know any other why? [14:58] sorry I don't, am on ubuntu rather than xubuntu right now, and my samba shares don't quite work properly either: am a bit clueless on that [14:59] I suppose I could try it. I have a Windows box (my wife's) in front of me and a Xubuntu box (mine) beside me. [14:59] ok thanks for trying. breakfast [14:59] byr [14:59] bye [14:59] bon apetit! [14:59] one thing I'm thinking is you might need an extra for your windows machine to see the ext3 partitions on your linux machine [14:59] oopss missed him [15:02] sinbox: he's going the other way as I understand it: mounting Windows shares from a Xubuntu box [15:22] gnome-powermanager seems to be very buggy for me right now. Is this a common problem? [15:23] Nalleman: I don't know about Gnome, but my machine can't standby or Hibernate [15:24] ball, can you change screen brightness? my computer hangs up if i tries to [15:24] This is a desktop === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [16:07] What's the right package for serving up :0 via VNC? [16:12] !vnc [16:12] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [16:14] cody-somerville: um, that's okay as far as it goes, but doesn't tell me which of the VNC packages does the job I'm after. [16:14] hello Ahmuck [16:14] hi ball [16:14] i need to boot from a live xubuntu cd and access a crashed hard drive [16:15] ok [16:18] is that possible in xubuntu? [16:18] or is there something special i need to do [16:21] k, gtg [16:22] Ahmuck: yes, it's possible [16:23] (should be) [16:23] do i just mount it, or can i access it directly upon boot up from the live cd? [16:23] ubuntu needs to create a Rubuntu cd [16:23] Rescue *buntu [16:25] I would expect to have to mount it manually [16:25] (mount it read-only) [16:35] k, i'm back [16:35] live cd. [16:35] how do i mount this windows drive again? [16:41] my guess would be something like "mount -r /dev/sda1 /mnt" [16:42] (then look for your files in /mnt) [17:12] <|ntegra|> hey y'all [17:12] mornin' [17:12] <|ntegra|> this is working good, but I don't seem to have a webcam yet [17:13] <|ntegra|> !webcam [17:13] Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras [17:14] <|ntegra|> knowing ubuntu that'll be a cool as tutorial [17:14] <|ntegra|> ball: where you at? [17:17] Illinois, USA [17:17] <|ntegra|> cool, >auckland,NewZealand [17:24] <|ntegra|> cool, I was pretty happy when xubuntu gutsy worked out-of-the-box with my wireless card [17:24] <|ntegra|> !wireless [17:24] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [17:30] i see i can add a program to my bottom panal that slows down my cpu is there any think that speeds it up ? [17:33] <|ntegra|> thats overclocking which is done in the bios not (usually) the operating system [17:34] <|ntegra|> !remastering [17:34] Interested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility [18:18] How can I install a basic command line system from Xubuntu 8.10 desktop (live) CD? [18:29] Muhammad_Saad: you have to use tha alternative disc... the live cd does not let you install a command line system [18:29] !alternative [18:29] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate link on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal - Torrent at http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [18:34] there is a file in the CD /preseed/cli.seed. What is that for? [18:38] idk... you'd probably have to ask cody-somerville... [18:41] How do you take a screen shot? I press prtscn and nothing happens, and I don't see the snapshot acessory like i used to have with ubuntu. [18:41] might be a bit late but did you take a look at this Ahmuck : http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/ [18:42] i'm trying to write "17th of November" in abiword, but the "th" does not float above. how do i format it? [18:43] investigate_911, I don't know of a way to do that in abiword..I'd like to know too.. [18:44] i'll check their site for info. [18:47] ... and their irc [18:50] fbc: To take a screen shot, add the screenshot applet to the panel [18:50] Then you just click on the camera [18:52] charlie-tca, do you know how to invoke that from the command line? That way I can map it to a keyboard shortct, like my print button? [18:52] Sorry, I do not [18:55] sinbox: thx [18:59] fbc: try scrot. a command line tool to take a screenshot... [18:59] Odd-rationale, ok thanks [19:21] Is there a list of files one needs to backup to be able to restore a (X)ubuntu system? [19:21] I thought `dpkg --get-selections` and /etc would be enough, but just now I had to (?) [19:21] edit /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local to add some locales and now I wonder what else [19:21] might be hidden at some obscure place? [19:34] does anyone know a plugin for xmms to show the available playlists in an extra window or so? [20:14] hi guys I found a way without pyneighborhood to view windows shares with samba [20:15] oh? [20:15] my grabing smb4K you can view windows shares [20:15] That sounds like a KDE app [20:15] it is but it still seems to work [20:16] where in the applications menu would pyNeighborhood be? [20:17] I installed it to but can't find it [20:17] Heya. I'm having a problem installing a video card (it gives me static after the Xubuntu splash loader); can anyone help me? [20:22] static? Like a TV static? [20:22] saluton [20:22] ...it actually moves like that? [20:24]