[00:22]  * seele imagines ScottK getting 5 of the same email in about 30 seconds
[00:23] <ScottK> Ahhhh. For what?
[00:23] <seele> i just mailed a bunch of local mailing lists.. i imagine you are on 2 or 3 of them
[00:24] <ScottK> Oh.
[00:29] <seele> maybe not all at once, they all got moderated, heh
[00:31] <seele> Riddell: were the pics on your blog the only ones from UDS?
[01:47] <seele> so disappointing when i see i have 3 articles to read and theyre all from the same person, just on different planets
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> Ha, so one of my dad's cousins had a bakery make/frost a birthday cake
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> what they got was an uncentered "Happy 43th birthday" cake in an illegible scrawl :P
[02:58] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I wouldn't have taken the cake. Make them remake it
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> might have been worth it for the funny picture they took
[03:04] <ScottK> Was 43 the right number?
[03:04] <ScottK> 42 seems better since that's the answer to the ultimate question about life, the Universe, and everything.
[03:04]  * nhandler thinks it should have been 42
[03:04]  * ScottK thinks nhandler is slightly too slow.
[03:04] <ScottK> At least that's how it looks from here.
[03:05] <nhandler> ScottK: I am running irssi over ssh, it is a little delayed
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> Any motus around that could revu this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-kbstate ?
[03:05] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I'll look
[03:05] <ScottK> nhandler: I'm running quassel with a split client/core, so it's a little delayed.
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[03:06] <ScottK> nhandler: Don't review it until JontheEchidna answers my question.
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: it was the right number, it was the "th" that was the error
[03:07]  * JontheEchidna dares somebody to say "43th" out loud
[03:07] <ScottK> Interesting, quassel-core just ate a message of mine.
[03:07] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  Is this thing on, because nothing I type in quassel is appearing.
[03:07] <ScottK-laptop> There it is, just lagged.
[03:08] <nhandler> ScottK: Should we be build depending on debhelper >= 5.0.0 or just >= 5?
[03:13] <LaserJock> is there a KDE package/app responsible for special laptop keys?
[03:14] <ScottK> nhandler: If you don't need a specific version of 5, 5 is fine.
[03:14] <ScottK> LaserJock: I think so.  I don't know what it is.
[03:14]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna, because he understands this KDE stuff.
[03:15] <nhandler> ScottK: But is it a big deal? I haven't been commenting on it for packages I've reviewed in the past. Should I have?
[03:15] <ScottK> nhandler: 5 == 5.0.0, so it might be worth a mention, but I certainly wouldn't not upload because of it.
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> I don't believe it's a big deal, especially since we're well over debhelper 5 in the repos. I would change it if requested though
[03:16] <nhandler> ScottK: I could have sworn I read that 5 != 5.0.0. However, I am completely blanking on the name of the tool that compares versions
[03:17] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I'm more asking for myself than because of the package ;)
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> :)
[03:18] <ScottK> dpkg --compare-versions
[03:18] <nhandler> Thanks ScottK
[03:18] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: One thing you might want to mention to upstream is that there COPYING file is out of date. They have an old FSF address
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually that's the one I manually added. I suppose I should really just update svn
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> since they graciously committed it ~20 mins ago at my request
[03:20] <ScottK-laptop> I'm starting to think kvirc is even less newby friendly than quassel.
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> and I should probably add a get-orig-source while I'm at it
[03:20] <ScottK-laptop> It has LOTS of options.
[03:20] <LaserJock> hmm, I told PowerDevil, or whatever the thing is, to Suspend to Ram when I close the lid, but it doesn't work
[03:20] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: That was the next thing I was going to say
[03:20] <nhandler> Other than that, it looks good.
[03:20] <LaserJock> neither does the suspend button and the power button turns off the laptop instead of asking me what I want to do
[03:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are you triaging powerdevil stuff too?
[03:21] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: If you are doing a new upload now, ping me when you are done so I it does not lose the advocation
[03:21] <vorian> I still use guidance-power-manager
[03:21] <ScottK> LaserJock: You're on Jaunty?
[03:21] <LaserJock> ScottK: yeah
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: it'll take me a few mins to write up the get-orig-source script + update the tarball
[03:21] <ScottK> vorian: If you're on Jaunty, you've got power-devil running too.
[03:22] <ScottK> nhandler: Ping me after you re-advocate it.
[03:22] <vorian> right, but I have the same issues LaserJock has
[03:22] <ScottK> Got bugs?
[03:22] <nhandler> ScottK: Sure thing
[03:22] <vorian> no sleep
[03:22] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I should be around for a while
[03:22] <ScottK> Sleep is for the weak.
[03:23] <LaserJock> ... and the married
[03:23] <LaserJock> although perhaps one might say they're equal
[03:23] <ScottK> Yeah.  Well one of the advantages of getting older is needing less sleep.
[03:23] <LaserJock> my single buddies keep poking me about being an "old married guy"
[03:25] <LaserJock> I'm runnin' on 10+ these days :(
[03:25] <ScottK> LaserJock: Since you are vorian are having the same problems and he's all sleepy and stuff, would you please file some bugs.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> against what?
[03:25]  * ScottK tries to remember.
[03:26] <ScottK> I think power devil is in kdebase-workspace.
[03:26] <LaserJock> ok, I'll give it a go
[03:26] <ScottK> But since I'm older than most pairings of two of you added up together, I'm allowed to be forgetful.
[03:27] <LaserJock> I'm a tad hesitant as this is like day +1 in KDE
[03:28] <vorian> ha
[03:30] <ScottK> LaserJock: If anything's wrong with your bug report, we'll just blame vorian because he blew it off.
[03:30] <vorian> i did not!
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> blah
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> switching to virtual terminal 1 crashed X, most likely because I'm pinning nvidia-glx-96 and xserver-core
[03:33] <LaserJock> nixternal: you up?
[03:33] <nhandler> LaserJock: He should be. It is only 9:30
[03:33] <nixternal> no, I am sleep typing...it is pretty cool actually
[03:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: I didn't see you on jabber
[03:34] <nhandler> nixternal: I wish I had that skill
[03:34] <nixternal> http://www.askreamaor.com/linux-and-unix/what-your-linux-distro-says-about-you/
[03:34] <nixternal> really?
[03:34] <nixternal> I see you on jabber
[03:42] <seele> ow ow ow
[03:42] <seele> "Konqueror You’re actually joking. Nobody intentionally goes online with something that has the bloat of Firefox and the functionality of Internet Explorer, while being tied to the kitchen sink of Linux desktops. More likely, you were using your file manager under the watchful gaze of Konqi, when you accidentally entered a URL in the file search field and discovered - surprise! - it can go online."
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> Konqueror: because Firefox looks like ass in KDE4
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: just uploaded, it should be there soon
[03:49] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Ok, I'll look at it once more and then advocate it.
[03:50] <nixternal> seele: ya, he didn't like Konqi, but KDE is his DE of choice...I like his epiphany quote :)
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: I accidentally rm -rf'd the debian dir so I had to redownload the debian dir from revu :P
[03:51] <seele> firefox annoys me but konqueror is much worse when trying to render something like facebook
[03:51] <seele> and then there is the entire googleapp breakage
[03:51] <nixternal> ya, I used Konqi forever...but I think the whole webkit/khtml fiasco kind of hurt it, as it is really junk in kde4
[03:52] <nixternal> I have since been using ff3 and like quite a bit now
[03:52] <nixternal> especially greasemonkey
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> awesomebar and rss feeds in the bookmarks toolbar are the only 2 features I really miss in Konq other than superior speed, ram usage and rendering quality
[03:53] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: The COPYING file doesn't look correct.
[03:53] <nhandler> I would download the newer version (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.txt) instead of just modifying the one that was there
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> that's the one upstream included in svn
[03:54] <seele> hmm.. julu is a bit choppy in konq
[03:55] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: It looks old. For one thing, it says "Copyright (C) 19yy <name of author>".
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: If it's the upstream license, I wouldn't sweat it.  The license is the license.
[03:56] <nhandler> ScottK-laptop: I know. I'll still advocate. I'm just letting him know
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> prolly would be better to let KDE know, but thanks :P
[03:57] <nhandler> Let me just test build it, and then I'll advocate
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> Thx
[03:58] <vorian> need a second review?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> would be much appreciated ^_^
[03:59] <nhandler> ScottK volunteered as well
[03:59] <vorian> ok, nevermnd then
[04:00] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: What's the link on revu?
[04:00]  * JontheEchidna must have missed scottk volunteering
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-kbstate
[04:01]  * ScottK-laptop looks.
[04:01] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Advocated
[04:01] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: I don't see you're comment advocating.
[04:02] <nhandler> ScottK-laptop: Refresh
[04:02] <ScottK-laptop> Got it.
[04:02] <nhandler> :)
[04:09] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler or JontheEchidna: How much testing have you done that this actually works?
[04:10] <JontheEchidna> I upgraded to jaunty the other day so I've done runtime testing
[04:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[04:10] <nhandler> ScottK-laptop: I'm not at my kubuntu station, I just test built it
[04:10]  * nhandler figured JontheEchidna had tried running it
[04:11]  * ScottK-laptop plays Konquest while it builds.
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> Konquest rocks. A lot.
[04:11] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: That might have been a good question to ask him.
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> I always beat my little brother and he got mad...
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> I've never actually played it against anything other than the computer.
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> that was a long time ago though
[04:12] <nhandler> ScottK-laptop: You are right. I probably should have
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: Lesson learned then.
[04:16] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: It doesn't build against libplasma2, so you need to version the build-dep on libplasma-dev.
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[04:18] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: Is your advocation still good after he fixes ^^^
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> reupping right now
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> should be up now
[04:25] <nhandler> I'll readvocate
[04:26] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Why won't it work with 4.1.80?
[04:26] <ScottK-laptop> It is.
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> technically it'd work with 4.1.73 I suppose
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> so no reason
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I'll adjust that and then upload assuming it builds.
[04:30] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: I think the language in the package description is a bit awkward.  I'm not blocking on that, but try and make it better for the next upload.
[04:30]  * nhandler noticed that too
[04:30] <nhandler> the long description provided very little additional info
[04:31]  * JontheEchidna wasn't quite sure how to elaborate on the short desc, to be honest
[04:32] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: If you don't mind, I'll work that a bit too then.
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> go right ahead
[04:33] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: An easy way to elaborate in the lon description is to elaborate about what the modifier keys are and what the possible states are.
[04:36] <ScottK-laptop> An accessibility plasmoid for KDE4 that shows the user the state of modifier keys to enhance the usability of KDE4 keyboard accesibility tools.
[04:36] <ScottK-laptop>  
[04:36]  * JontheEchidna is going to bed in a bit
[04:36] <ScottK-laptop> An accessibility plasmoid for KDE4 that shows the user the state of modifier keys to enhance the usability of KDE4 keyboard accesibility tools.
[04:37] <ScottK-laptop> How about that?
[04:37] <ScottK-laptop> BTW, kvirc has something to protect from multi-line pastes too.
[04:37] <ScottK-laptop> It automagically dumps you in an editor.
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, you can also modify the states with the applet via the mouse
[04:39] <ScottK-laptop> An accessibility plasmoid for KDE4 that shows the user the state of modifier keys and enables state changes via the mouse to enhance the usability of KDE4 keyboard accesibility tools.
[04:39] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> looks good to me (tm)
[04:40] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: ^^^
[04:40]  * JontheEchidna out
[04:40] <nhandler> ScottK-laptop: Looks good
[04:40] <nhandler> But is it really the KDE4 keyboard accesibility tools?
[04:41] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Done.  If it builds, I'm uploading it.
[04:41] <ScottK-laptop> seele: In kvirc if you double click on the notification it takes you back to the IRC window.
[04:49] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Did you test the get-orig-source rule?
[04:49] <ScottK-laptop> svn: File not found: revision 906383, path '/kdereview/plasma/applets/kbstateapplet'
[05:00] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler and JontheEchidna: The get-orig-source was missing a /trunk in it's path.
[05:00] <ScottK-laptop> nhandler: You really need to be checking this stuff when you review packages.
[05:02]  * ScottK-laptop test builds again.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: testing?  MOTU's don't do testing!  It's not in the spirit of being a MOTU!  Didn't you receive that memo?
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> Heh.  Must have arrived after my bed time.
[05:05] <LaserJock> vorian: I filed bug #314270 about powerdevil, please add your details when you can
[05:14] <nixternal> ok, what happened to my sound? It just stopped working
[05:15] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: vorian took it with him when he got too tired and went to bed.
[05:15] <nixternal> he must have..it just stopped working
[05:17]  * nixternal thinks firefox killed it
[05:40] <LaserJock> hmm, so powerdevil just doesn't do *anything* here it seems
[05:41] <LaserJock> even for default behaviors
[05:41]  * ScottK-laptop looks at apachelogger and hopes he'll investigate.
[05:42] <crimsun> nixternal: sound questions need http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh run (it's a bash script; make sure to execute it as such)
[05:42] <nixternal> already there buddy :)
[05:42] <crimsun> nixternal: i'll likely need dmesg and sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*, too
[05:42] <nixternal> hey, I ran the speaker test right, and I get this:
[05:42] <nixternal> Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[05:43] <nixternal> so I think the firefox crash killed it
[05:43] <crimsun> right, need alsa-info.sh and fuser
[05:44] <nixternal> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=7882a364ddca3fd64d06f1c8462329f65aeb7cca
[05:45] <nixternal> !paste
[05:45] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/100838/
[05:46] <crimsun> does quitting ktorrent help?
[05:46] <nixternal> don't want to quit it, but I will try
[05:46] <crimsun> hopefully it's not being stupid and using plughw or hw
[05:46] <nixternal> grr I hate you!
[05:47] <nixternal> damn speaker test makes me jump everytime!
[05:47] <crimsun> i suppose i could modify Front_Left.wav to mutter something about a Vista lover
[05:48] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:49] <crimsun> (was it ktorrent?)
[05:50] <nixternal> ya
[08:09] <kPb> hello friends
[08:18] <jussi01> Kubuntu NIjas!!! PING!
[08:18] <jussi01> Ninjas even
[08:19] <kPb> any pykde developers???
[08:19] <jussi01> Kubuntu Ninjas, could we please have this put into the experimental PPA? please, please pretty please? http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=839
[08:20] <jussi01> kPb: Im sure there are some, why dont you ask your question and see?
[08:20] <kPb> jussi01: thanx :)
[08:20] <kPb> wanted to know which packages are written in pykde
[09:32] <Riddell> kPb: apt-cache rdepends python-kde4
[09:34] <jussi01> heya Riddell
[09:40] <kPb> Riddell: i mean which kde apps are written in pykde??
[09:48] <Arby> kPb: that command will give you a list of packages that depend on the pykde bindings
[09:48] <Arby> that's a good start
[09:49] <kPb> ok.. thanx
[09:54] <jussi01> can anyone tell me the actual proceedure to compile that new networkmanager plasmoid? or has someone done up/feels like doing up a little package for me?
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio was looking into it
[09:56] <jussi01> ok :)
[09:57] <jussi01> Riddell: how does one check out a peice of code from there anyway? it would be good to know for the future...
[10:05] <Riddell> it's in /trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/  google for KDE anonsvn for how to do the checkout
[10:09] <Lure> jussi01: if you plan to create .deb package, you can use "svn export" to get just sources out
[10:10] <Lure> jussi01: build is pretty straightforward (with kde 4.2 beta/rc) and it works nicely for me (WPA-PSK) since couple of days
[10:12] <Sput> oh does it now? last time I tried, a couple weeks ago, it failed with wifi still
[10:12] <Sput> so I switched to wicd instead
[10:17] <Lure> Sput: it started to work for me 2 days ago (when coolo started to hack on it ;-))
[10:18] <Sput> Lure: cool, will need to try... I think I still have all that gnome cruft installed for nm, so it shouldn't be hard to give it another try
[10:19] <jussi01> Lure: so I only need hte code from there, no other deps that need compiling?
[10:20] <jussi01> Im on the packages from experimental ppa
[10:21] <Sput> jussi01: according to our ebuild, is has no other deps than nm 0.7 and current kdelibs
[10:21] <jussi01> excellent. now just to find the way to check it out on google :)
[10:21] <Sput> websvn.kde.org
[10:21] <Sput> :)
[10:21] <Sput> or anonsvn.ko
[10:36] <jussi01> Lure: feeling a little unknowledgeable... how does one build it? I dont see any read me....
[10:36] <stdin> kde svn trunk /playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[10:36] <stdin> kde svn trunk latest /playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[10:36] <stdin> I though I got that working
[10:37] <jussi01> stdin: err, what?
[10:37] <stdin> kde svn trunk
[10:37] <stdin> oh wait
[10:38] <stdin> trunk rev 1
[10:38] <stdin> trunk svn /playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[10:39] <stdin> trunk svn latest /playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager
[10:39] <stdin> I should know how to work the bot, I wrote the plugin :|
[10:39] <stdin> "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager"
[10:40] <jussi01> heh
[10:40] <stdin> oh <insert expletive here> it!
[10:40] <jussi01> *giggle*
[10:40]  * Sput provides a handy list of tested expletives
[11:15] <jussi01> So, the NM plasmoid seems to work ok here :) lets hope that continues.
[11:29] <etretyak> jussi01: wow! does it provide all NM functionality wifi/ppp/3g/vpn?
[11:29] <jussi01> hrm... it has a few issues...
[11:29] <Sput> it's, as sebas put it, pre-alpha
[11:29] <jussi01> etretyak: it has all those listed...
[11:30] <jussi01> Sput: I couldnt have put it better tbh
[11:31] <etretyak> it lacks pptp vpn :(
[11:36] <Sput> jussi01: yeah, but your're not one of its developers :)
[11:36] <Sput> seabs is
[11:36] <Sput> sebas
[11:36] <jussi01> hehe
[11:36] <Sput> meh, wicd works well enough for the time being
[11:36] <Sput> also that thing is gonna get solid integration and possibly be supported by the plasmoid at some point
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think devfil is working on digikam (ScottK reviwed it AFAIK so he might know more)
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool @ kde-nightly
[12:46] <ScottK> There's a digikam-kde4 on REVU.  It's been quite some time since I looked at it.
[12:47] <rbrunhuber> Is kde4 normally working with the "nv" driver? If not is it planned to add support for this?
[12:48] <Riddell> should work with any working X driver
[12:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: did laserjock use the intrepid powerdevil?
[12:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  Jaunty.
[12:50] <apachelogger> hm
[12:51] <apachelogger> there should be a status page
[12:51] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I have massive trouble e.g. the "run command" and the start menu are only painting the black frame but no contents.
[12:51] <apachelogger> listing what is supported
[12:51] <apachelogger> if that is pretty red it ought to be broken ;-)
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.1.4 goes backports => proposed => updates again?
[13:01] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I think we can go straight to -proposed this time.
[13:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: got a min for pm?
[13:03] <apachelogger> failed to parse
[13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: as ScottK-laptop says I think, we should check with the release team though
[13:08]  * apachelogger thinks Riddell checks with them while apachelogger fixes k-d-t for releases to $series-$something
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> Yay, pinging people pays off: bug 308060
[13:53] <Riddell> well, hopefully
[13:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we have a mir for GGL btw?
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> nop
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> e
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> This time around packaging we need to compile a list of components that need MIRs on a wiki or sumthin
[14:00] <apachelogger> + GoogleGadgets: Google Gadgets library <http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/>
[14:00] <apachelogger> Needed to build plasma scriptengine for google gadgets
[14:00] <apachelogger> + libmal, 0.40 or higher: libmal Development Library <http://jasonday.home.att.net/code/libmal>
[14:00] <apachelogger> Needed for KPilot's Avantgo conduit.
[14:00] <apachelogger> + opensync, 0.38 or greater or higher: OpenSync Development Libraries <http://www.opensync.org>
[14:00] <apachelogger> Needed to provide syncing functionality in KDE PIM applications. Necessary to compile kitchensync.
[14:00] <apachelogger> that is what my todo sezs
[14:00] <apachelogger> but I think opensync is dropped meanwhile
[14:00] <apachelogger> is indi updated to 0.6 yet?
[14:01] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Version: 5:0.5-0ubuntu6
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> also eigen2
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> might have to wait for final release or so
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> eigen2's currently in its 5th beta
[14:04] <apachelogger> m
[14:04] <apachelogger> we could ask Benoît when they plan to drop the final
[14:04] <apachelogger> rdieter: ping
[14:04] <rdieter> apachelogger: hiya
[14:04] <seele> Tonio_: ping
[14:06] <apachelogger> rdieter: I just killed my browser, sec ;-)
[14:07] <apachelogger> rdieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442443 is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/285831 is https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18072
[14:07] <apachelogger> dfaure fixed it yesterday
[14:08] <rdieter> apachelogger: yay
[14:14] <Riddell> qzion and qedje also need MIRks
[14:16] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you motu yet?
[14:16] <vorian> he needs one more vote apachelogger
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nein, dholbach +1'd me yesterday though
[14:17]  * apachelogger pokes nixternal so nixternal pokes his council friends to vote
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you doing new queue today?
[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh aye, thanks for reminding me
[14:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: please take a look at choqok, I'd like to have it backported to help upstream aggregate feedback
[14:27] <rgreening> apachelogger: I need your l33t skillz
[14:27] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:27] <rgreening> :)
[14:29] <rgreening> I am trying to port the konqueror_flash_installer to konq 4.2
[14:29] <rgreening> the old patch contains a lot of 3.5 specific depricated calls
[14:30] <seele> ScottK-laptop: say there was testing done on the notifications system.  would you accept the results, regardless of what they may be?
[14:31] <ScottK> seele: I know I'm not going to like clicking and nothing happening.
[14:31] <rgreening> ScottK, seele: I agree. I thing the ubu idea is wrong
[14:31] <ScottK> seele: If the process for getting stuff in is followed (spec'ed, agreed, etc.), then I won't like it, but I won't revert it.
[14:31] <jjesse> i would agree/echo ScottK as well
[14:32] <apachelogger> clickability is non-spec stuff IMHO
[14:33] <jjesse> is there research/study behind removing the clicking on notificaitoins or is it just a groups opinion/view?
[14:33] <apachelogger> there certainly should be an interface for clicking, if the specific desktop implementation allows access to it or not is an implementation detail
[14:33] <seele> rgreening: i never said it was wrong
[14:33] <jjesse> wow i can't spell today
[14:33] <seele> jjesse: design theory says it makes sense
[14:33] <ScottK> jjesse: My research is me trying to click on the damn things and getting annoyed when nothing happens.
[14:33] <seele> there is probably some human factors research on attention and alerts, i dunno what it says
[14:34] <rgreening> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101071/
[14:34] <jjesse> ScottK: that is my research as well
[14:34] <seele> ScottK: but that's not to say a different part of the system is broken that could be fixed.  you might not care you can't click on the notification if something else happens
[14:34] <rgreening> apachelogger: thats my updated patch, but requires getting kde3support and qt3support linking. I can't seem to make it work.
[14:35] <jjesse> i would agree there are some things i don't want to have to click to clear, ie removing power cord going to battery mode, network changes
[14:35] <ScottK> seele: I think the premise is flawed.  The idea that if you can't click on the notification, you're relieved of the obligation to decide and it's more 'fun' is just backwards.  You still need to decide if you want to get more information/interact.
[14:35] <rgreening> seele: I know, I did though. I think have the ability, but let the DE/app choose if it is correct to expose/use.
[14:35] <jjesse> but stuff like chat/irc i would like to respond
[14:35] <ScottK> It's just harder if clicking doesn't produce a useful result.
[14:36] <ScottK> jjesse: I agree with the idea of not clicking to clear and it just going away after a time.
[14:36] <seele> rgreening: that doesnt help kubuntu when we're nicely asked to enable it by default
[14:36] <ScottK> seele: Then we just nicely say, "No thanks, it's not a very KDE approach to the problem."
[14:36] <rgreening> *nod*
[14:36] <seele> ScottK: we had this discussion already.  we might not have a choice in the matter
[14:37] <ScottK> seele: BTW, AFAIK we haven't been nicely asked.  It's been announced.
[14:37] <jjesse> ScottK: i think we might not have achoice as it becomes a more Canonical sponsered distro vs a KDE distro
[14:37] <ScottK> seele: Just as the Pope doesn't always speak Ex Cathedra, I don't generally assume Mark Shuttleworth has his sabdfl hat on unless he says so.
[14:37] <seele> but the thing is.. if we dont start looking at this thing and providing input, we're going to be stuck with whatever they give us
[14:38] <seele> at least if we start figuring out how it has to change to fit KDE it gives us a chance to make it better when they do say DO THIS OR DIE
[14:38] <ScottK> seele: I don't see where we've been asked for input.
[14:38]  * seele slaps face
[14:38] <ScottK> BTW, my blog post yesterday was an attempt to provide some feedback.
[14:38]  * seele adds a head desk in there too
[14:38] <jjesse> nice
[14:38] <rgreening> seele, take off the glasses first. No need to break them
[14:39] <ScottK> seele: If it's already been decided and we're going to be forced, then there's really no need to waste time discussing.
[14:39] <jjesse> scottk: i think we are be asked for it
[14:39] <seele> design is never final.. if they want to call themselves designers then they better learn the word Iterative
[14:39] <rgreening> hehe
[14:40] <ScottK> OK, then what's the venue for the discussion about this design?
[14:40] <seele> the internet i assume
[14:40] <seele> people are paying attention to posts because there are cross blog responses
[14:40] <jjesse> it would be nice if there was a mailing list
[14:40] <rgreening> Without It it simply becomes erative (as in iiritative, slurred by a drunkard)
[14:41] <seele> rgreening: without it would be design hubris
[14:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: http://websvn.kde.org:80/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/KDE4PORTING.html?revision=872264
[14:41] <ScottK> seele: That never happens aroud here.
[14:42] <seele> i give up
[14:42] <ScottK> seele: It'd  be nice if someone were to show up and say something like, "Hi.  I'm from the desktop experience team and I'd like to discuss notifications with the Kubuntu developers."
[14:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: they discussed it with aseigo IIRC
[14:42] <jjesse> i agree but i don't think that is something that seele can change?
[14:43] <apachelogger> after aseigo blogged :P
[14:43] <jjesse> something that Riddell would have to take up
[14:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: And you saw his blog post, right?
[14:43] <jjesse> so we don't beat seele up too much
[14:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: I saw ... but TLDR
[14:43] <ScottK> seele: I'm not actively trying to piss you off, I just don't think this entire thing has been well communicated and I'm really not sure how to interact with the initiative.
[14:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: The short version is, "Dear lord, No, but I'm glad you're trying to think up new stuff."
[14:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: yes, I know, thats what I used to update the patch. However, it was near impossible for me to convert everything to kde4 isms.. so I had to revert some things to kde3 depricated classes for the interim, until either we a) decide to drop the patch completely or b) have more time to re-write it in kde4. I'd like to get it at least running in its current state, to give us time to test it and the ioption to update it later.
[14:44] <jjesse> i think that is the problem both with kubuntu and ubuntu is no one knows how to communicate
[14:45]  * ScottK decides to slap nhandler around a little just for a break from the arguing.
[14:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: IIRC the plan is to have update-notifier-kde (or whatever it will be renamed to when kpackagekit arrives) suggests the user to install k-r-e, which makes the patch mostly obsolete IMHO
[14:45] <ScottK> nhandler: Next time before you advocate a package that has a get-orig-source rule, check that it actually works.
[14:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any ideas on how to get libnotify to look Kubuntuish?
[14:47] <apachelogger> rgreening: TBH I think the functionallity should be implemented upstream on a generic level ... $plugin not available => search a desktop file that provides information which $package on $distro provides $plugin => show message to user suggesting to install $package ... or even provide an option to install it if $distro also provided an application in the desktop file
[14:47] <rgreening> apachelogger: Riddell asked to have the patch looked at. The other item is also being done but a seperate case, as its more general and system wide.
[14:47] <ScottK> Speaking of notifications and stuff.
[14:48] <rgreening> apachelogger: thats what this patch was initially designed for. It missed getting in upstrewam before 4 hit
[14:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: don't know about it's themeing capabilites
[14:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: can you help me at least figure out why its failing on linking/finding the kde3/qt3 support libs?
[14:49] <ScottK> OK.
[14:55] <apachelogger> rgreening: are you sure you add the support stuff to the right target_link_libraries?
[14:55] <apachelogger> +what is the linking error anyway?
[14:55] <rgreening> I just checked my old build log.. it's not there... doh
[14:55] <rgreening> I'll have to start up the buold again.
[14:55] <rgreening> let me do that and paste it for you.. thanks
[14:58]  * ScottK notes Debian is going to fix libkdegames4/5 in KDE4.2.  
[14:58] <ScottK> We ought to do the same, I think.
[14:59] <apachelogger> fix?
[14:59] <Riddell> Lure: I uploaded digikam beta 7, leaving you to do beta 8 due out shortly and kipi-plugins
[15:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: ... during kde 4.1 libkdegames.4 become libkdegames.5 but the package stick as libkdegames4
[15:00] <Riddell> Lure: also check with devfil about his plans
[15:00] <ScottK> That's from #debian-qt-kde
[15:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think we ought to make sure we stay in sync on library package naming.
[15:00] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[15:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure
[15:01] <apachelogger> go for it I'd say
[15:02]  * apachelogger is wondering if lintian shouldn't start whining about that
[15:02] <ScottK> So whoever does kdegames for the RC should fix that ....
[15:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: just commit to the branch
[15:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Good point.
[15:06] <smarter> rgreening: still working on a kde4 port of the flash patch?
[15:06] <smarter> I've ported a whole app(Kvkbd) from kde3 to kde4 so maybe I could help you a bit (:
[15:07] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20942080/krdc.png
[15:07] <apachelogger> broken icons
[15:08] <smarter> vnc on localhost?
[15:09] <apachelogger> rdp to remote I'd say
[15:09]  * apachelogger is pretty sure that the bug is KDE unrelated anyway
[15:09] <apachelogger> maybe one of ubuntu's fancy X patches that improve performance so much
[15:10] <apachelogger> bug 291462
[15:10] <smarter> also, fwiw, I've packaged for myself the latest beta of eigen(using uupdate), and nothing seems to be needing changes
[15:10] <apachelogger> 2. is that at least
[15:10] <apachelogger> smarter: so why don't you package it for universe? :P
[15:11] <smarter> oh, didn't realize it was in universe :p
[15:11] <smarter> can do the update if you want
[15:12] <smarter> and thanks to these X patches, users say that Kubuntu packagers are a bunch of idiots which manage to turn good KDE into something unusable and then they switch to another distro
[15:13] <Lure> Riddell: talkin about MIR: I plan to package liblensfun and libopencv and they would need MIR too to get used by digikam/kipi-plugins
[15:13] <Riddell> Lure: Debian's msp has an intent to package on liblensfun, dunno if he's done anything about it yet though
[15:14] <rgreening> smarter: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101071/
[15:14] <Lure> Riddell: will check in debian channel
[15:14] <smarter> rgreening: any particular problem?
[15:14] <rgreening> smarter: thats the patch I need to update. It contains a few kde3 and qt3 depricated classes which ihad no idea on how to convert/update
[15:15] <apachelogger> ha!
[15:15] <apachelogger> NCommander applied for core-dev
[15:15]  * apachelogger didn't even notice -.-
[15:15] <ScottK> Well at the rate things go, there's no need to notice at all quickly.
[15:16] <smarter> rgreening: some good docs(if you haven't already checked it): http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/porting4.html http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/KDE4PORTING.html
[15:16] <rgreening> smarter: read those, and applied what I could.
[15:16] <smarter> rgreening: also, trunk/kdesdk/scripts contains some useful script for automatic porting, seehttp://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KDE4_Porting_Guide
[15:17] <smarter> and qt has a nice qt3to4
[15:17] <rgreening> smarter: the problem is I am not all that intimate with KDE/Qt coding, so much of it is based on scanning exisitng apps for help.
[15:17] <smarter> was the same for me when I started porting (:
[15:17] <rgreening> smarter: the auto porting uses the depricated clasees, like what I did
[15:17] <NCommander> apachelogger, I pinged you on IRC and asked you to CC it O_o;
[15:18] <apachelogger> hm, and I was sober at that time?
[15:18] <smarter> you can start by enabling -DKDE4_DEPRECATED (not sure if it's exactly that one, google will tell you) to get warning about deprecated classes and what you should use
[15:18] <smarter> the scripts in kdesdk are supposed to port to the new api automatically, but I never managed to do anything good with them :P
[15:18] <rgreening> smarter: can you look at the patch?
[15:19] <smarter> I looked a bit
[15:19] <rgreening> all the qt3 and kde3 classes are what need updating
[15:19] <rgreening> smarter: like I tried to port the listview stuff but got lost...
[15:20] <apachelogger> smarter: they never worked for me either, not in a productive manner anyway
[15:20] <apachelogger> hm
[15:20] <apachelogger> NCommander: how many uploads did you do yourself?
[15:21] <rgreening> I wish there was a good KDE4 programming book :)
[15:21] <smarter> rgreening: never ported that class, and I don't really have the motivation to download and build kdelibs :p
[15:21] <jjesse> write one :)
[15:21] <smarter> qt4 book + techbase is enough imho
[15:21] <NCommander> apachelogger, what do you mean uploads done myself?
[15:21] <rgreening> smarter: lol... are you renagging on your offer to help
[15:21] <NCommander> apachelogger, universe uploads or?
[15:21] <Riddell> hmm, kmail depends on akonadi but kmail doesn't actually use akonadi yet
[15:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: how many uploads did you do to universe since you are motu
[15:21] <rgreening> :)
[15:22] <NCommander> apachelogger, over 50, since
[15:22] <NCommander> I think
[15:22]  * NCommander isn't sure if thats total, or just universe
[15:22] <NCommander> my brain isn't quite awake yet
[15:22] <rgreening> ~facts about smarter
[15:22] <kubotu> I know nothing about smarter
[15:22] <smarter> orly?
[15:22] <smarter> ~facts about rgreening
[15:22] <kubotu> I know nothing about rgreening
[15:22] <rgreening> oh my...
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: the dependence comes from libkdepim I guess ... kaddressbook uses akonadi
[15:23] <rgreening> kubotu has amnesia
[15:23] <Lure> Riddell: kmail checks addressbook on startup -> akonadi
[15:24]  * Lure thinks akonadi might be an issue in kdepim 4.2 (for otherwise very good kde 4.2)
[15:26] <jussi01> apachelogger: did you migrate and forget kubotu's memory?
[15:27] <apachelogger> no, I think the database is responsible
[15:27] <Riddell> akonadi-kde depends on akonadi-server, kaddressbook should probably depend on akonadi-kde
[15:27] <apachelogger> berkeley is just horribly unreliable
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: technically kaddressbook could also use resources from gnome, if there were any
[15:45] <Riddell> hmm, hardy and intrepid new queues havn't been cleared for 8 weeks
[16:06] <Riddell> harshness from the motu council
[16:09] <ScottK> From or for?
[16:10] <Riddell> from
[16:21] <nixternal> apachelogger: poking for what?
[16:21] <apachelogger> nixternal: voting on JontheEchidnas motu app
[16:29] <Riddell> canonical desktop team meeting in #ubuntu-desktop if anyone is interested
[16:31] <Tm_T> thanks
[16:32] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, daniel sent a ping email out last night to the other members who have been MIA since UDS
[16:33] <apachelogger> okies
[16:33] <seele> colomar: we might as well talk about kpackagekit in here :)
[16:34] <colomar> seele: yup, makes sense
[16:35] <seele> has anyone else been testing kpackagekit?  colomar and i have been having problems getting it to work
[16:36] <jjesse> kpackagekit is being used by fedora-kde
[16:36] <jjesse> works fine in my fedora vm
[16:36] <Tm_T> seele: I never got it built
[16:36] <jjesse> by fine i mean its very slow
[16:37] <seele> jjesse: when you have time, do you think you could take some screenshots of the install package process?  it's failing for me so i dont get to see what the feedback after the package is installed
[16:37] <jjesse> so can
[16:37]  * jjesse makes notes
[16:37] <colomar> That would be cool. Best would be a shot for every step from pressing "apply" to the end of the process
[16:38] <jjesse> you could download fedora 10 kde and run the live cd to take all the picturs yourself :P
[16:38] <seele> jjesse: but you practically volunteered!
[16:38] <jjesse> lol i know
[16:38] <colomar> *ggg*
[16:38] <seele> Riddell: is this the new time for desktop meetings?
[16:39] <Riddell> seele: no I think it's one off, stil
[16:39] <Riddell> still expected at 16:00
[16:39] <seele> colomar: if you are still looking for projects to work on, after this we could work on kuser
[16:39] <seele> the volunteers who were working on it before have disappeared and i dont want to wait until 4.4 to get a new kuser UI
[16:39] <jjesse> btw is anyone doing documentation on kpackagekit?
[16:40] <jjesse> noticed there is nothing in doc/ in kde svn
[16:40] <jjesse> and no help file
[16:40] <colomar> jjesse: And while you're at it, could yo as well do a shot of a package removal process if it's different than installing? ;)
[16:41] <seele> jjesse: all things considered, you might want to help us poke tonio to get it working so you dont have to do this :)
[16:42] <colomar> seele: Yeah, I can work on that as well, sounds fun
[16:43] <seele> colomar: cool.  i dont think it will be in time for jaunty, but it would be nice to get a first release in 4.3
[16:43] <seele> colomar: ellen and i and another designer did some functional requirements, but havent started on any design yet (that is what the other designer was supposed to do..)
[16:46] <colomar> seele: Is it interaction design only or graphical design as well? Since I'm not really a graphical designer...
[16:46] <seele> colomar: wireframes are probably as far as we would go.. so layout of widgets, but not making icons or anything
[16:49] <colomar> seele: Fine, wireframes are fun ;)
[17:04] <seele> so confused..
[17:04] <seele> 1) i thought an edge kde had over gnome was that all of our apps are pretty good aboutusing knotify
[17:04] <seele> 2) knotify provides more information than "you have a message" so you can get what you need without talking to the app again
[17:05] <seele> 3) because of 1 and 2, there would be no reason to maintain patches to the apps
[17:05] <apachelogger> all 3 correct
[17:05] <seele> so the only thing we need to do would be to make sure ted's new DBUS classes work and then create a plasmoid to replace the system tray
[17:05] <apachelogger> maybe we are just not understanding the target
[17:05] <seele> theyre talkinga bout patching apps.. there should be no reason to patch apps?
[17:06] <seele> am i just not understanding this?
[17:06] <apachelogger> there shouldn't ... at least I don't see a reason why there should be a reason
[17:06]  * seele looks at Riddell 
[17:07] <Riddell> right, it should just be a patch to knotify
[17:07] <Riddell> dbarth is thinking gnome-ish
[17:07] <Riddell> it's probably not a trivial patch to do it right (not large, just fiddly)
[17:08] <Riddell> and apps like amarok or konversation don't use knotify for reasons I don't know, probably artistic
[17:08] <seele> even amarok 2?
[17:08] <Riddell> not as far as I know, it does its own on screen display thing
[17:08]  * ScottK mumbles about mysql 5.1 again.
[17:09] <apachelogger> knotify doesn't have sensible dialogs for the amount of information amarok and konvi spit out
[17:09] <apachelogger> that is the reason they came up with their OSD
[17:09] <apachelogger> IMHO the usecase of notification is different from OSD anyway
[17:11] <seele> sigh.. amarok has been doing there own thing since the beginning
[17:11] <seele> i shouldnt be surprised
[17:25] <Riddell> ScottK: what's new?
[17:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we aren't going to get mysql5.1 if we don't get behind it and push.  Not sure who will do that (I don't have time).
[17:25]  * ScottK is just about to head out for $WORK meetings.
[17:26] <Riddell> I'm not clear on what parts mysql needs, if it's only the one static lib file I'm hoping that'll make it easier to get in
[17:26]  * ScottK neither.
[17:26]  * ScottK just knows releasing without Amarok 2 will be bad.
[17:26] <Riddell> been looking at akonadi and actually it doesn't need much of mysql at all
[17:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm in part anxious to get this moving so we can kill kdebindings for KDE3.
[17:27] <Riddell> yep, amarok 2 is a priority for me too look at
[17:28] <ScottK> So it'd be wonderful is, say, some Kubuntu dev who happened to work for Canonical might get some Canonical server team people to focus on helping with getting akonadi/mysql/amarok sorted.....
[17:28] <ScottK> Dunno who would do that though ?
[17:30] <ScottK> Well I need to run off.  See you all later.
[17:30] <Riddell> happy meetings
[17:30] <Riddell> I think I know what needs done for akonadi after looking at it today, amarok tomorrow
[17:30] <ScottK> 2 hours driving there, 2 hours meetings, 2 hours driving back.
[17:30] <ScottK> At least it's all billable.
[17:30] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:32] <seele> ScottK: where are you going? Philly or BFE Virginia?
[17:32] <seele> w/in 6
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: akonadi really only needs a working mysqld, pretty much everything else is done via qt-sql
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: and amarok only needs 5.1 with a -dev package + libs + runtime data
[17:37] <apachelogger> that said, we don't need a working 5.1 mysqld, we just need the -dev and libs to build amarok and the runtime data to make it start
[17:38] <apachelogger> of course it would make most sense to have a working 5.1 mysqld used by akonadi because we don't have duplicated runtime data then
[17:39] <Riddell> server team don't want 5.1 as their mysql
[17:40] <Riddell> and two mysqls is I'm told a major security burden
[17:40] <Riddell> so we need to strip down the 5.1 for amarok to a minimum to have any chance of it getting in
[17:41] <Lure> apachelogger: amarok uses embedded mysql, right?
[17:42] <apachelogger> Lure: yes
[17:42] <Riddell> shame that amarok and akonadi use mysql in such different ways
[17:42] <Lure> Riddell: any explaination by server people why 5.1 is no go? breaks other packages?
[17:42] <Riddell> Lure: too buggy I believe
[17:43] <Riddell> upstream (off the record) still recommends 5.0 I'm told
[17:43] <Lure> Riddell: yeah, heard that 5.1 is not the best release ever...
[17:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: when akonadi got started only mysql 5.0 was around and 5.0 has a crappy embedded implementation
[17:45] <Riddell> aye
[17:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we need 6 files in usr/include and a couple of libs to build amarok
[17:50] <apachelogger> I am not sure how much we can strip from the runtime requirements
[17:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: couldn't you just have used the akonadi approach?
[17:51] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:51] <Nightrose> you can ask aides about how much you can strip
[17:56] <apachelogger> hm
[17:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just thinking about it ... the Amarok release script could could invoke createTar() twice, passing arguments for the tar suffix and stuff that needs to be dropped
[17:58] <apachelogger> that would also require less haxx0ring I guess
[17:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I think I'll drop release.rb
[17:58] <Nightrose> hmm yea- but i needed to edit the cmake file and a cpp file anyway
[17:58] <apachelogger> replace it with command line arguments
[17:59] <Nightrose> hmmm I likes my GUI!
[17:59] <Nightrose> :P
[17:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: tell lfranchi to implement that crap properly
[17:59] <Nightrose> he said he'll look into it
[18:00] <apachelogger> there is a macro for optional add_subdirectory IIRC and the cpp can probably get some ifdef
[18:00] <seele> is the 4.2 beta fairly stable?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> I'd say it's just as stable as 4.1.3. The new features have a few rough edges, but it is stable
[18:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded kdebase-runtime today, is there a bzr branch I should have edited?
[18:07] <apachelogger> gypsy branch kdebase-runtime
[18:07] <apachelogger> or bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu
[18:07] <Riddell> gypsy?
[18:07] <apachelogger> oi vei
[18:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: the tool I wrote for bzr handling
[18:08] <apachelogger> see kubuntu-devel list
[18:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-December/002580.html
[18:09] <apachelogger> it's also part of kubuntu-dev-tools (lp:~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk)
[18:26] <seele> weird.. when upgrading to 4.2 beta, myswl asks me to set the root password twice?
[18:31] <seele> 3 times now!
[18:34] <apachelogger> maybe mysql is in a funny mood
[18:37] <Riddell> it does like to make sure you set a password
[18:39] <seele> 3 times is a bit excessive
[18:40] <seele> hmm.. is there an upgrade wiki page somewhere to keep notes?
[18:40] <Riddell> don't think so, go ahead and make one
[18:42] <apachelogger> seele: this won't stick anyway
[18:43] <apachelogger> akonadi gets a more fitted mysql package to depend on
[18:51] <Riddell> vorian: what's the purpose of the .tar.gzs in kwin-style-dekorator ?
[18:59] <vorian> Riddell: they are themes
[19:16] <seele> ew, system tray ate some icons
[19:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you should dump 1.4* from ktown and cleanout unstable completely
[19:24] <DaSkreech> Is there an RC this week?
[19:28] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: of?
[19:29] <DaSkreech> KDE?
[19:29] <apachelogger> yes
[19:29] <DaSkreech> not released today?
[19:30] <Riddell> merges are over
[19:30] <Riddell> DaSkreech: tagged, maybe
[19:31] <DaSkreech> Oh it was tagged today
[19:31] <DaSkreech> For some reason I thought it was released today
[19:31] <DaSkreech> As I understand it Knetworkmanager is now a plasmoid?
[19:31] <apachelogger> True (we're really happy that phonon doesn't require gstreamer, which gets the
[19:31] <apachelogger> 3 As from all of our developers (Atrocious abysmal abomination) ;).
[19:31] <apachelogger> rolf
[19:31] <DaSkreech>  and not to be released as a part of KDE 4.2 but will have versions usable by distros?
[19:31] <apachelogger> <3 arklinux
[19:32] <DaSkreech> Whats so bad about gstreamer?
[19:32] <apachelogger> it gets 3 As :P
[19:32] <DaSkreech> I got 3 As during my time in high school too :)
[19:34] <Riddell> bero doesn't like gstreamer
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Apparently :)
[19:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: choqok all good
[19:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:48]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie
[19:51] <LaserJock> so is this knetworkmanager plasmoid going to be in Jaunty?
[19:53] <Riddell> LaserJock: that's the plan
[19:53] <Riddell> tonio was packaging it
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> I think it might need policykit or something, cuz I can't get it to work here
[19:53] <seele> are there a lot of broken plasmoids or was it just me?
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> broken?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> some of the ones in universe were probably removed during the upgrade to 4.2 since they haven't been updated for 4.2
[19:55] <seele> JontheEchidna: near half of them.  i began listing them on the wiki page i created and then stopped because it was every other one
[20:00] <LaserJock> hmm, kmix doesn't seem to remember my audio level settings when I logout, is that a common/known thing?
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> works for me (tm)
[20:01] <LaserJock> heh
[20:01]  * JontheEchidna wonders...
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> !worksforme
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> unrelated :P
[20:02] <LaserJock> I do get some sort of error message when I log in
[20:02] <LaserJock> saying something about  a sound device not working or something and that it's going to use pulseaudio instead
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> apparently there's a hal bug which makes it detect audiocards that aren't audiocards
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> so it falls back to pulseaudio, or whatever else is next in the list
[20:03] <LaserJock> I see
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> it's funny when the "fake" audio card has the same name as the real one
[20:04] <LaserJock> well, I think that could be the situation I have
[20:04] <LaserJock> when I go into Multimedia in system settings I see my card and pulseaudio
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> don't know if that's related to your volume issues
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> seele: all those plasmoids you listed should be working fine. (and I know they did when I upgraded). Could you make sure kdeplasma-addons is at version 4.1.85?
[20:07] <seele> JontheEchidna: how do i do that?
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kdeplasma-addons
[20:08] <seele> huh not installed :)
[20:09] <seele> why would they show up in the list if they arent installed?
[20:11] <seele> oh damn, i lost my notes content
[20:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: wanna file a backport request for choqok?
[20:11] <colomar> (This might be a stupid question, but: Are packages in ppa repos always unsigned or did I just not find out where to get the keys?)
[20:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: sure, but I have never done this before
[20:12] <NCommander> colomar, currently unsigned
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> colomar: they're always unsigned
[20:12] <NCommander> colomar, thats being changed however
[20:12] <NCommander> Some PPAs already have keys
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: nice
[20:12] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, check out cprov's if you want to see a signed PPA
[20:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: just search for the intrepid-backports project on launchpad, file a BR against it "please backport choqok $VERSION from jaunty to intrepid" then mention that it built in my ppa (https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/+build/828616/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.choqok_0.2-0ubuntu1~intrepid0~ppa2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz) whith changes to the cdbs build-dep and adding a quilt build-dep (because intrepid cd
[20:14] <apachelogger>  quilt for kde4 apps)
[20:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: then poke NCommander to approve the backport
[20:14] <colomar> That's definitely a good thing. I always feel a bit nervous when installing unsigned packages, like I'm back to windows where I just had to trust that what I'm downloading is actually what I wanted instead of something malicious ;)
[20:14] <apachelogger> and maybe he is kind enough to upload as well
[20:15] <NCommander> wait what?
[20:15] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ok
[20:15]  * NCommander just got volunteered for something
[20:15] <NCommander> I can feel it :-P
[20:16] <Nightrose> seele: check the plasma-appletsrc file - maybe it is still in there
[20:16] <colomar> NCommander: You're an OSS-developer, you're used to that, right? *g*
[20:17] <NCommander> no, I just hang around here too often
[20:18] <seele> yay!
[20:18]  * seele hugs Nightrose 
[20:18] <Nightrose> :)
[20:25] <neversfelde> NCommander: ping
[20:25] <NCommander> neversfelde, semi-pong
[20:26] <neversfelde> NCommander: it would be great, if you would approve Bug #314504
[20:26] <neversfelde> :) if you have the time
[20:26] <NCommander> ScottK, mind looking at that for me?
[20:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does 2.0.1 look like that: http://www.finex.org/files/94472-1.jpg
[20:45] <Nightrose> nope
[20:45] <Nightrose> maybe 2.1
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> that's a mockup off of kde-look
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> or it looks similar to one
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> looks nice though
[21:09] <knusperfrosch> will there be a kitchensync package for 4.2?
[21:17] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> new strigi upstream release
[21:28] <Riddell> cor
[21:28] <Riddell> new amarok too
[21:28] <apachelogger> amarok is already building
[21:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wanna jump at strigi?
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> sure
[21:29]  * apachelogger continues social networking meanwhile :P
[21:31] <knusperfrosch> hooray, no kitchensync for 4.2 :( http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2008-November/002662.html
[21:46] <DaSkreech> What is with Amarok Mockups and Careless whispers?
[21:47]  * DaSkreech tries to rationalize knusperfrosch's :( with the hooray
[21:48]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds new strigi
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 872482
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> nice
[22:15] <ghostcube> hi can i ask you if its pkanned to bring back the jackd support to the xine-lib package ?
[22:15] <ghostcube> *planned
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> you'd have better luck in #ubuntu-devel, kubuntu doesn't really touch that type of stuff
[22:17] <ghostcube> ok :)
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 314554