[02:57] evening all [09:00] hi [09:01] hi [09:01] TheMuso: elkbuntu : persia : lifeless : Hi [09:01] MaWaLe: Welcome [09:01] Hi amachu. [09:01] Hey! [09:01] thx amachu [09:02] elkbuntu: TheMuso : lifeless : are you people there? [09:02] hi [09:02] sorry the past few weeks, i was travelling [09:02] elkbuntu: Hi [09:02] amachu: Yes I am here. [09:03] cool! === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [09:03] and lifeless? [09:03] elkbuntu: travelling in Tunisia (irc channel) :p [09:03] We miss zakame and belutz again [09:03] nizarus, huh? [09:04] * persia opens https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [09:05] i'm trying to deal with a troublemaker in -ops, so my responses will be slow [09:05] fine.. [09:05] yay, relieved of that [09:06] we shall start [09:06] Our candidate is not here it seems, or at least not in channel. [09:06] i'm here :-/ [09:06] Well, the other isn't. [09:06] TheMuso: MaWaLe is present [09:07] MaWaLe, so, what have you done in the time since we last saw you? [09:07] Sorry misread. [09:07] elkbuntu: i participated to the ENIS EVENT 8.12 and actually planning the ENIS EVENT 9.01 :) [09:08] could you explain what ENIS is? [09:08] ENIS : Ecole NAtionale des Ingénieurs à Sfax : National School of Engineers at Sfax [09:09] and what happens at it? [09:09] we held two conf'days and migrate the labs of the ENIS to Ubuntu [09:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/EventENIS is in Tunisian. request you to explain a bit more [09:09] i also animate an install party for the technical staff and the students there [09:10] amachu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReporting#ENIS%20Event%208.12 [09:11] In this event, I promote Ubuntu and hold a conference about Ubuntu and his use. [09:11] The ENIS EVENT 9.01 leads to migrate over than 1000 PCs and Laptops to Ubuntu and to provide assistance to the technical staff of the Tunisian National School of Engineers. [09:12] what kind of assistance do you provide after migration? [09:12] it'll be a 3 days conference (23, 24 and 25th january) [09:13] assistance for using Ubuntu for novice users, technical support, documentation [09:14] MaWaLe, what sort of assistance? on-site? phone? [09:14] phone, mailing, skype and live meetings [09:15] i'm in constant contact whith the person in charge for the labs that we migrate [09:16] i always take part to the FST Conf'Day [09:16] in this day i present Ubuntu and the virtualization under ubuntu [09:17] if 2009 will be 1000 computers, how many were in 2008? [09:18] about 300 i think [09:18] nice [09:18] and this time there's a pics to illustrate my tolds :) [09:19] any other board have questions for mawale? [09:20] TheMuso, persia? [09:20] * TheMuso reads the wiki page again to make sure he hasn't missed anything... [09:20] MaWaLe, I notice that your wiki page recently has a removal of an endorsement: do you know why this happened, and could you explain the change? [09:20] amachu, questioned out? [09:21] MaWaLe: are there people here live to say few words about you now [09:21] persia: TheMuso: ? [09:21] MaWaLe: I see on your wiki page you mention creating a documentation team for help documents. How close are you to getting hat off the ground, or if it is off the ground, how is it progressing? [09:22] amachu: it's due to the dismission of Rafik from the management Committee [09:23] and the removal of the testimonial was made few minutes ago [09:24] MaWaLe: I am asking, are there members here right now at IRC [09:24] nizarus, can you back up mawale's story? [09:24] there nizarus [09:24] hi :) [09:24] i am tunisian loco team member [09:24] hi every one [09:25] alibb, is what mawale says about rafik true? [09:25] ye [09:25] persia: are you there? [09:25] in our LoCo we got some troubles and rafik decided to leave the LoCo [09:25] amachu, Yes. [09:25] last modification of the wiki page : 06.01.2009 09:11:47 by rafik [09:26] nizarus, was this trouble a fight with mawale and rafik? [09:26] elkbuntu, yes MaWaLe and nizarus words are true [09:26] as he have a point of view different from all the LoCo [09:26] Rafik, are you around? [09:26] so I confirm my testimonials for MaWaLe [09:27] Rafik, we like to hear both sides of the story :) [09:27] elkbuntu: Yes. I don't trust on MaWaLe's motivations anymore. That's why I removed my testimonial. [09:28] I mean, motivations for being here in the ubuntu world [09:28] i can say that MaWaLe, has chown very good teeam work and has very good technical back ground , i'am sure he will help the tunisian locoteam to buid our web server, as well as our tunisian mirror [09:28] Rafik, it would be biased to accept positive reasoning if we were not to accept negative reasoning. if you feel comfortable enough that your reasoning is sound, feel free to share it. [09:29] if you would like to bounce it off me first, my PM is open to you [09:30] elkbuntu: PM? [09:30] amachu, sure [09:30] I call Rafik to give evidence of his statements: I think it is more convenient than starting on the basis of assumptions. [09:30] MaWaLe: and I am awaiting your reply for the question posted by TheMuso [09:31] sorry : what question? [09:31] MaWaLe: I see on your wiki page you mention creating a documentation team for help documents. How close are you to getting hat off the ground, or if it is off the ground, how is it progressing? [09:31] okay : it's still in a project standing [09:32] we have to focus on creating the association to have a legal status in Tunisia [09:32] so I preferred to delay the project for the next phase [09:33] I'l give you one example from here : http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/07/30/%23ubuntu-tn.html [09:33] Fair enough. [09:33] en r�alit� je suis un Fedora Project Contributor loool [09:33] i haven't installed ubuntu yet [09:33] his wikipage : exclusively Ubuntu user since 3 years. [09:33] Hello every body [09:33] don't make sense.. [09:34] I'll not talk about some other things he made that created trouble [09:34] MaWaLe, which is true, the logs saying you havent installed ubuntu, or your wikipage that says you have? [09:35] MaWaLe, Well, had you installed Ubuntu in July? [09:35] Also, could you explain the discrepancy? [09:35] here too, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/07/29/%23ubuntu-tn.html , just to avoid saying it was a joke [09:36] in my job i'm obliged to have Windows [09:36] a political choice [09:36] i'm a Government Emlployee [09:36] on my laptop it was installed before july [09:36] MaWaLe, we dont begrudge using other systems, but you seem to be making mockery of ubuntu [09:37] mockery : how? [09:37] MaWaLe, saying you contribute to fedora but have never installed ubuntu [09:37] it's in two seperate logs rafik has showed us [09:37] elkbuntu: the log is of july 2008 [09:37] Well, even that would be fine in July, with the background to now, but it's the difference between this and the wiki page that is concerning. [09:38] in that date MaWaLe joined oure loco and he was presenting him self [09:38] nizarus, the wikipage claims 3 years [09:39] i'm user of ubuntu at home [09:39] not at work [09:39] nizarus, 6mths is significantly shorter than 3 years [09:39] you can verify my commands on ship-it [09:40] so in my work, i never install Ubuntu because the political strategy of the government is to have Windows installed [09:40] but at home i'm a linus user [09:40] s/linus/linux [09:41] and sorry for asking the question : when Rafik made the testimonial, he was'nt aware of what he's saying now? [09:41] it appeared good for me, till we had this little tussle [09:41] MaWaLe: Rafik : Can't you solve this within Team Tunisia [09:41] MaWaLe, Use only at home is fine. The question is really why the log and the wiki page differ? [09:42] MaWaLe: Indeed. Things came to mind after trouble, unfortunate. [09:42] amachu: i'm afraid no. [09:42] because when rafik asks me the question, he saw in the whois wommands that i'm on a windows OS [09:42] amachu: this issue is for our LoCo we got a long discussion with boredandblogging about it [09:43] and it's definitely internal to our LoCo [09:43] well, I would like to say this is on Mawale application for Membership.. [09:44] and if there is some sort of tussle within the Team, and that cannot be resolved, then LoCo Council would be place to report [09:45] I'll agree to that: I don't think it's the RMB's place to take a position on who is right and who is wrong, etc. [09:45] I don't mean to look into the details of the ubuntu-tn issues. [09:45] +1 persia thx [09:45] elkbuntu, amachu, persia all i know is MaWaLe is defending ubuntu during FOSS and presentation. whats happening betwing Rafik and MaWaLe are internal affair , hope you will juge on the personal value not on when he seems to use ubuntu and what the personal problems with rafik [09:45] I really just want to understand the discrepancy between the IRC log and the wiki page. [09:46] persia: seconded. [09:46] alibb, this isnt about his dispute with rafik, this is about him exaggerating to get our favour. membership is as much trust as anything else [09:46] the log refer to the use of Ubuntu in my work [09:46] with the Government [09:47] alibb, I'd be happy approving membership for someone who first encountered Ubuntu three months ago, as long as they had been doing stellar contributions since then: it's not about time, it's about two places with conflicting information. [09:47] my wiki page refers to me : at home [09:47] alibb, could i trust someone who lied to me to make themselves seem better, with the Ubuntu name? [09:47] alibb: remember the server story too... [09:49] elkbuntu: i 'm not lying and i'm clear in my tolds [09:49] the logs refer to the use of ubuntu in my job and not my personal use of ubuntu [09:50] MaWaLe, you use fedora in your job then, not windows? [09:50] no : in my job with the Government i use Windows [09:50] since those same logs refer to you being a fedora contributor [09:50] before i was a user for RH and Fedora [09:50] at work? [09:50] and i think that it was what i said in my wiki page [09:51] no at home [09:51] at work : i repeat again that it's a politcal stratagy of the government [09:52] One can contribute to both Fedora or Ubuntu. I don't think thats an obstacle for membership. [09:52] and i'm trying hardly to change the mind of my superior to use Linux and specially Ubuntu [09:52] amachu: i'm an RHCE and ubuntu member too [09:52] In any case I think I have demonstrated my commitment with the LoCo with all the activities that I have with it [09:53] i am a sun isv [09:53] and use opensolaris and ubuntu at work [09:54] nizarus: thats fine. [09:54] Rafik: the thing is that you donot back MaWaLe now? isn't it? [09:55] I think he don't deserve membership. [09:55] Rafik: ok [09:55] nizarus: your stand? [09:56] amachu: i know MaWaLe since july 08 and i confirm he apport to oure tunisian commitee [09:56] and i confirm that he wil be a very good ubuntu member [09:57] MaWaLe: your opinion on contradictory stands elkbuntu & persia pointed out? [09:58] sorry? [09:59] i explained clearely that there is no contradiction in fact [09:59] amachu, he's given a reason, but given the actual log which flows as "are you an ubuntero?" "no, i'm a fedora contributor. i havent installed ubuntu. but since it's linux" is adequate enough to explain [09:59] is not* [09:59] the logs refer to the use of Windows at work and i think that the wiki spokes for me and not for the professional who i'm [09:59] not adequate enough [10:01] i haven't the ubuntu installed at work so i cannot have a GPG key to sign the code of conduct [10:01] MaWaLe, it seems to say you had fedora installed though. [10:01] and before the july, i didn't contribute with ubuntu because there wasn't a group to work with [10:02] so unless you expect me to believe that in consecutive lines, you were at home *then* seconds later at work... [10:02] elkbuntu: where is that log pleas ? [10:02] i have fedora + SuSe + NetBSD installed on virtual machines and peoples who was present in the events can confirm that i have many OSs installed to test the difference [10:02] nizarus, the ones rafik gave [10:03] elkbuntu: i don't see the two lines that you montionned [10:03] "je n'ai pas encore mis le Ubuntu, mais du moment que c'est du Linux" is the confusing statement. [10:04] nizarus: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/07/30/%23ubuntu-tn.html (search for "fedora") [10:04] nizarus, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/07/30/%23ubuntu-tn.html [10:04] (si tu as signé le code de conduite) [10:04] en r�alit� je suis un Fedora Project Contributor loool [10:04] je n'ai pas encore mis le Ubuntu [10:04] mais du moment que c'est du Linux [10:04] This clearly implies some sort of Linux (not Windows-at-work), yet not having installed Ubuntu. [10:04] persia, which is contradictory to what we're being told, yes? [10:04] Yes. [10:05] Rafik came to my office and he saw what I have on my PC [10:05] From a community-support perspective, I'm happy. From an activity perspective, I'm happy. This difference and the confusing explanations bother me. [10:05] and he can confirm that in my office i have Windows and no linux [10:05] thx elkbuntu [10:05] persia, i agree with you 100% [10:05] I'd have to agree also. [10:06] The problem is how to move forward from here. [10:06] persia: simple looking to the future :) [10:06] I very much don't want to say "MaWaLe" will always have this hanging over, causing an issue, but as it's not a case of "get more support" or "do more", I'm not sure what is the right advice. [10:06] +1 nizarus [10:07] nizarus: what responsibilty Rafik holds with Team Tunisia [10:07] amachu, they kicked him out [10:07] nizarus, Surely: it's just determining a future path: currently at least three of the members of the RMB are uncomfortable confirming membership: we need to determine what would be required to get membership in the future. [10:08] isn't Rafiq a member? [10:08] he was one of our active members with a lot of responsabilitys (web&tech, redactor, etc..) [10:08] amachu, he is [10:09] well I would say, a good atmosphere isn't prevailing right now.. [10:09] amachu, elkbuntu TheMuso: suggestions on how to resolve this? [10:09] persia: I am as stumped as you. [10:09] elkbuntu: it was a vote, because rafik refused to work with the team and preferred to work lonely [10:10] nizarus: assumptions :) [10:10] nizarus: Hope you are the Team Contact? [10:10] nizarus, i've also been told of a sabotage [10:10] amachu_ yes i am [10:10] elkbuntu: i will happy to talk with you about this in future [10:10] nizarus, which of course, was untrue [10:11] Rafik: You agree MaWaLe hs made contributions barring that incident? [10:11] nizarus, this is relevent to now though === asac_ is now known as asac [10:11] elkbuntu: here we are for MaWaLe membership not the Tunisian LoCo issue :/ [10:11] amachu_: yes, just wondering why. [10:12] nizarus, this incident involved mawale accusing rafik of sabotage, yes? [10:12] +1 nizarus [10:12] no elkbuntu , I confirm [10:12] nizarus, Right. Like I said before, we don't really want to explore that. It's more that we need to determine a way forward in this case, and there are doubts, perhaps related, so we might explore it some whilst we develop a plan for the future. [10:12] elkbuntu: Rafik accused all the LoCo of sabotaging him [10:12] alibb, you confirm what? [10:13] elkbuntu: in fact, MaWaLe said alibb sabotaged the server [10:13] to accuse me..^^ [10:13] i'd neveer said that rafik [10:13] Well, I believe its't the right atmosphere [10:13] Rafik, this is not the issue ! [10:13] and i think that Rafik is here just to take revenge [10:13] alibb, to us, it is, and you want us to make a decision [10:14] MaWaLe, there is a bit of that, but what he has raised are genuinely and concerning [10:14] elkbuntu, we are talking about MaWaLe membership not on internal tunisian locotems problems [10:15] alibb, please do not tell me what is relevent to my decision making [10:15] alibb: yes. But that is causing a concern on membership too. [10:15] alibb, Right. The difference between the IRC log and the wiki page is unrelated to the tunisian team internal issues. [10:15] sorry elkbuntu [10:15] elkbuntu: i think that a commitment for evaluating a membership must be based on the involvment of the applyant [10:15] (or at least the RMB interest is unrelated) [10:15] MaWaLe, this is part of your involvement whether or not you want it to be [10:15] and i think that with the activities i'm holding with my LoCo i'm demonstrating my involvment [10:15] MaWaLe, we cant look only at the good things, we have to look at the bad things too [10:15] MaWaLe: True. I missed your reply on contradictory statements [10:16] now if you think that we are here to talk about loco problems, it's up to you [10:16] Also, membership includes the right to represent the Ubuntu project, which is something where conflicting statements are very concerning. [10:16] I cannot in good conscience give mawale anything but a 0 [10:16] elkbuntu, Any ideas as to what MaWaLe might do to get approval later? [10:16] persia, be more honest [10:17] more honest ????? [10:17] OK. How can we measure this? [10:17] persia, by facts being supportable. by not telling us one thing while evidence says another [10:18] elkbuntu, So you'd be happy with a straight story, regardless of what was on the wiki in the past? [10:18] i think that i bring a facts today to the RMB members with my activities [10:18] and Rafik bring tolds and logs and nnot facts [10:18] this is tough, since we have contact of a LoCo team saying in favour of a new candidature [10:18] persia, yes. i prefer clear honesty and i believe in second (and sometimes third) chances [10:18] so if you thins i'm not honest i cannot accept it [10:19] nizarus: do you have something to say on the conflicting statements? [10:19] MaWaLe, rafik did not fake those logs. those logs not even I can touch [10:19] TheMuso, Would that also work for you? [10:19] I would like to take a stand based on that [10:19] i explain that it was a misunderstanding and not a contradiction [10:19] amachu_: i resumed this in my last talk [10:20] persia: I don't know to be honest. I don't feel we clearly know what the log is indicating, (noting I haven't read it myself fully) [10:20] i got off for a while.. could you please repeat [10:20] but sorry to say that : elkbuntu, you said that i'm not honest and i cannot accept that [10:20] MaWaLe, then prove me wrong. you have not so far. [10:20] when MaWaLe joined us he activly participated and participating to the team activites [10:20] TheMuso, Understood. Assuming that there was no discrepancy between logs and wiki pages, would you accept a new application? [10:21] Well, I would go by the Team Contact, though there may be conflicts with Rafik [10:21] persia: As long as everything was clearly stated, and clearly identified as to who it was from, most probably. [10:21] for our youn loco it's the more important : having activ members with the group not lonley members [10:21] Right. [10:22] So, I propose the following for RMB votes: [10:22] Err, missed one. [10:22] MaWaLe, Do you understand the source of the discomfort by the RMB members? [10:22] nizarus: the same loco i was bleeding to maintain and keep together :) [10:22] Please: let's try to not rehash too much LoCo stuff :) [10:22] sorry persia : the last time when you explain me that i must have more visibility i understand it [10:23] but i cannot accept to be considered as a non honest people [10:23] MaWaLe, Indeed, and you've gotten that visibility, for which I must congratulate you. [10:23] all that rafik said and bring was to take revenge for his dismission [10:23] MaWaLe, the logs do not show revenge [10:24] I'm specifically not claiming that you're not honest: I just don't feel confident in my own understanding of the discrepancies between the IRC logs and your wiki pages. [10:24] dismission should have been the last resort.. [10:24] elkbuntu: the acts of rafik shows that revenge [10:24] MaWaLe, yes, but also concern, and i understand that concern and agree with that concern [10:25] MaWaLe, So, LoCo issues aside, the issue for me is really that in one place you appear to claim to have started using Ubuntu in July, and in another claim to have started using it in 2005. [10:25] I would go with the statements of nizarus than Rafik since he is, even at this point the Tunisian Team LoCo contact [10:25] MaWaLe, revenge is to a degree why we support ubuntu. it is not itself a sin. [10:25] MaWaLe, I'm certain this is just oversight or confusion, and that it can be resolved, but I want to make sure you understand that source of discomfort. [10:25] thx amachu_ [10:26] thx persia for the explanation [10:26] i thought alibb introduced himself as the contact of the tunisian team? === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [10:26] no, contact. my eyes are tired [10:26] but i think that my doing demonstrate y involvment and that it was the first referer to the evaluation of a membership [10:26] sorry [10:27] no elkbuntu [10:27] errr. member. my brain is tried too [10:27] no elkbuntu i just said i am an tunisian loco member [10:27] okay elkbuntu :)) [10:27] MaWaLe, Yes, involvement is the primary concern, and you've clearly demonstrated that. [10:27] and i continue my involvment in planning events for ubuntu? [10:28] Essentially, I have little confidence you'll be approved this evening. [10:28] but what are Rafik doing for Ubuntu??? that's the real question [10:28] MaWaLe, Please: that's a separate issue: let's keep them apart. [10:28] MaWaLe: it's not the place to ask this question :) [10:28] okay persia [10:28] So, If you could review all the sources of claims you can, and revise the wiki page that there is no confusion, we'd love to have you back next week. [10:28] Rafik: Thanks for your concerns that a right candidate should deserve membership and you came out here and sahred your thoughts [10:29] If you're unsure, feel free to contact any of us in the meantime, and have us take a look for things: I'm sure we'd be happy to help explain whether it is sufficient. [10:29] Rafik: Consider settling this down with your Team. [10:29] Everyone good with that? [10:29] persia: +1 [10:30] persia, +1 [10:30] persia: I am not in a situation to give +1 for MaWaLe [10:30] Would prefer 0 [10:30] amachu_, Are you comfortable with the plan I outlined above? [10:30] persia: revising the wiki page? [10:30] amachu_, this is the 'action plan' vote, not the membership vote [10:31] sorry persia for saying that but simply revising the wiki page didn't resolv the problem [10:31] elkbuntu: yes. +1 [10:31] amachu_, Yes: revising the wiki page, perhaps in collaboration with RMB members, and revisiting the meeting. [10:31] amachu_, generally 'getting your facts straight' [10:31] i can omit to mention in the wiki page the date of beginning of use of ubuntu [10:31] should i be more "honest" if i do that? [10:31] amachu_, OK. What other issue do you have that needs to be resolved before we can approve MaWaLe ? [10:31] amachu_: I'll finish my exams on O1/15. Then I'll officially contact the loco council it. [10:32] MaWaLe, Let's ignore "honesty", let's instead call it "consistency". [10:32] don't had time lately because of preparation for exams [10:32] but consistency can be revised now if you want [10:32] MaWaLe, i have to work tomorrow, i dont have the time to wait [10:32] so all the troubles come from the "3 years" that i mention it on the wiki [10:33] Rafik: I have to trust nizarus more than you. There can be internal principles of a LoCo Team which decided upon how its members should be or not [10:33] MaWaLe, We're already overtime on the meeting, unfortunately, but thank you. We just need to confirm this will resolve all the issues. [10:33] i was speaking for my personal use of ubuntu and not professional and it's bizarre but it was rafik who told me to put that on my wiki page [10:33] MaWaLe, Not the "three years", but the discrepancy. We like consistency: it makes it easier for us. [10:33] MaWaLe, you were speaking of your professional use of fedora too? [10:33] MaWaLe: Please show up next week. Hope you will get it through. [10:34] And best wishes. [10:34] thx for all of you [10:34] amachu_, : Again, is there anything other than a revising of the wiki page to match other sources that you'd need to approve MaWaLe ? [10:34] and persia can i ask you to assist me to do that please [10:35] MaWaLe, Certainly. [10:35] I should say, I just asked whether there are people to support MaWaLe at IRC at it turned down things ;-) [10:35] completely [10:35] till then it was +1 [10:35] So no other issues you want to see resolved? [10:35] i'm done for the night [10:36] ok [10:36] MaWaLe: hoping to meet you again and Best wishes [10:36] thx amachu_ [10:36] MaWaLe, Apologies for the inconvenience: let's discuss over the next week, and with luck you will have success next week, or the week after, depending on your schedule. [10:37] fine, moving on to the next thing that I was supposed to share, I do not have new nominations right now for the Board expansion [10:37] any one else has? [10:37] it'll be fine for the next week because the week after i'll be at the ENIS EVENT 9.01 :) [10:37] persia: elkbuntu: TheMuso ? [10:37] * persia has been reviewing some IRC logs, but hasn't made as much progress as was hoped. [10:37] amachu_, i have someone in mind, but i havent had chance to ask them first [10:38] amachu_: None here. [10:38] fine, We shall take it up in mailing list then or at the next meeting [10:39] anything else to be discussed? [10:39] Reminder, next week is 15:00 UTC, assuming the room is open. [10:39] * TheMuso can't make 15:00UTC. [10:39] nor i [10:40] lets hope lifeless and belutz joins [10:40] whats zakame is dormant [10:40] and the week after that, someone will need to ring me on my phone and remind me, as i'll be at Linux Conf Au [10:40] ring you? [10:40] * persia suspects lifeless, also being in UTC+11, won't make it either. [10:41] i shall mind messaging you though [10:41] amachu_, on my phone, and pray i hear it over the awesomeness [10:41] Hmm.. [10:42] amachu_, i have calendar on my phone, i just have to remember to look at it [10:42] you can mail me.. I will remind.. [10:42] TheMuso, are you LCA'ing? [10:42] elkbuntu: no. [10:42] is that all? [10:42] amachu_, yeah [10:43] Shall we wind up for the day? [10:43] TheMuso, know if lifeless is or not? [10:43] elkbuntu: He may, but I don't know for sure. [10:43] Thank you everyone for participating. Our next meeting 13 Jan 09, 15.00 UTC [10:43] Ciao! [10:43] amachu_, thanks, bye [10:43] :-) [10:43] thanks [13:53] mmh... [13:53] !time [13:53] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [13:53] !utc time [13:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about utc time [13:53]