[01:01] NCommander: I can look at the backport thing in an hour or two if you haven't. What bug/package? [01:03] ScottK, its in the backscrool [01:03] NCommander: I'm too lazy to look. If you want me to deal with it, the least you can do is scroll back for me. [01:03] bug 314554 [01:03] Launchpad bug 314554 in strigi "New upstream release (strigi 0.6.2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314554 [01:03] #314504 [01:03] whoops [01:04] No wait [01:04] I was right [01:04] bug #314504 [01:04] Launchpad bug 314504 in intrepid-backports "please backport choqok 0.2 from jaunty to intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314504 [01:04] ... [01:04] oh come on [01:04] woo@ [01:04] *! [01:04] !info choqok [01:04] Package choqok does not exist in intrepid [01:04] !info choqok jaunty [01:04] Package choqok does not exist in jaunty [01:04] !info gwibber jaunty [01:04] Package gwibber does not exist in jaunty [01:04] :-P [01:05] !info hello jaunty [01:05] hello (source: hello): The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2-3 (jaunty), package size 19 kB, installed size 588 kB [01:05] Ok, so the bot working. [01:06] Hooray someone packaged it! :) [01:10] you know.. people are going to hate me for this, but the kde 4.2 notifications are kindof annoying [01:10] theyre much bigger than they used to be [01:10] youre forced to look at them [01:11] you have to stop what you are doing because they cover everything [01:11] seele: I just kill plasma When they get on my nerves [01:11] :-) [01:13] seele: hence my absolute incredulity at the idea of notifications, but i digress [01:14] (i realise that i am an absolute corner case in that regard) [01:14] youre threashold for wanting to know what is going on with your computer is just lower than others [01:14] if someone gets a mail every minute, i'm sure they don't want notifications for new mail [01:14] but people who don't probably like them [01:15] i've got so many people on my contact lists that i get "this person is online" messages all the time [01:15] (and i havent figured out how to turn them off) [01:16] seele: Well you should like Jaunty then with sabdfl's new system [01:16] well, the computer information is just displayed differently; i use multitail in another terminal emulator. if something's really absolutely important, i'll notice anyhow, because the consequences tend to be catastrophic (e.g., battery exploding, computer rebooting, etc.) [01:16] DaSkreech: have you not been paying attention to any of the conversations that have been going on about that in here? :P [01:16] Can't you just turn those off for Kopete ? I'm almost sure I saw abutton somewheer for that [01:17] seele: aren't they supposed to kill the flood of notifications? [01:17] That's kinda 1/2 the point of doing it right? [01:17] DaSkreech: maybe some, but not all of them [01:17] It manages floods of notifications and makes them intangible [01:17] Then kill libknotify [01:17] that's not going to stop frequency [01:17] it's going to provide fewer icons in the task bar [01:18] and might control some notifications so that they shouldnt happen.. which they probably shouldnt be notifications in the first place [01:19] What bugs me with kopete is that if for some reason the notifications hit the edge of the screen then they stop the timer that removes them and you have to take them off manually [01:58] * ScottK solves that problem by not using kopete. [02:46] I keep being tempted to try that approach [02:47] but Kopete is so nice otherwise [02:48] Yes but it would be nice if it was amarok awesome [03:31] seele: i have taken some screenshots of kpackagekit in fedora for you will finish more of them tomorrow [03:43] !info kpackagekit jaunty [03:43] Package kpackagekit does not exist in jaunty [03:43] :-P [04:40] DaSkreech: It helps I don't use IM. [05:36] #ubuntu-bugs [08:13] Hello, when I use suspend/hibernate from kmenu or /usr/sbin/pm-suspend (pm-hibernate), on resume doesnt lock kde4 desktop [08:46] is there a known fix for thsi debsign problem: [08:46] gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use [09:04] nevermind, solved gpg problem [11:56] any news on the WML protocol of kopete in jaunty? [11:58] what's WML? === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [12:50] i have a suggestion [12:50] currently, i can only enable "complex script input" when the system locale is set to chinese [12:51] i want the ubuntu way: even if system language is english, i can still enable complex char input (scim) [12:53] also, if system language is english, chinese characters in the taskbar are too light. and for small size chinese chars, wenquanyi-bitmapfont should be used. [12:54] i mean, there are two chinese fonts: wenquanyi-bitmapfont is a bitmap font for small sizes and wenquanyi-zenhei is a vector font good for large sizes [12:55] this is how ubuntu handles chinese displaying, and kubuntu should learn from it [13:56] Hello guys! [13:56] I compiled KDE from trunk. Does anyone know how to make kdm my default display manager? [13:58] #kde [14:05] aleite: edit DAEMON= in /etc/init.d/kdm [14:08] Riddell: There is no kdm file on /etc/init.d [14:10] But there is a gdm file. Should I copy it to kdm and try to edit? [14:12] aleite: can do [14:13] Riddell: is dpkg asking whether to change init scripts? [14:13] apachelogger: or just edit the gdm one [14:13] apachelogger: I don't follow [14:13] aleite: or just edit the gdm one [14:13] I am trying [14:13] Riddell: will dpkg replace the file or will it ask what to do considering it differs from $installed gdm/kdm package? [14:14] apachelogger: I expect it asks [14:14] ok [14:14] depends if it considers the file a "conf file" [14:14] Could any of you paste your kdm file from init.d for me on pastebin? There are many gdm parameters that I don't now how to change on the gdm file [14:14] ? [14:15] yes, it's listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.conffiles [14:16] aleite: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdm [14:16] Riddell: question is if the same applies for gdm ;-) [14:16] or just install kdm, which will set all the right bits [14:16] Thanks Riddell [14:17] If I install kdm, it will install all kdelibs and kdebase... I just want to use the one I compiled from trunk [14:17] apachelogger: it does [14:17] kk [14:19] Well, I'll reboot my system.. see what happens [14:23] http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=839 [14:23] me want [14:23] cbr: I have it === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [14:24] how? [14:24] Guys ... it does NOT work [14:24] simple, built from svn [14:24] sebas: I know [14:24] I have it, but I don't use it =) [14:25] I have been following it for months now [14:25] Yeah, don't spread it then, unless people want to hack on it [14:25] It creates false expectations [14:25] I didn't spread, did I? [14:25] it doesnt work? [14:25] cbr: work in progress, heavily [14:31] sebas: I heared Tonio likes to package stuff that doesn't work ;-) [14:32] Yeah ... I'd be happier if it wouldn't be shipped until we say it works [14:33] I've already got a boatload of emails after my blogentry, telling me that they want this and that, and that I should think of a and b ... [14:33] haha [14:33] 95% of those items we just didn't get around to yet [14:33] * apachelogger suspected something like that [14:33] sebas: sounds great =) [14:33] you know, the plasmoid managed to connect me once [14:34] I dunno how, but it did :D [14:34] apachelogger: it was me, not the plasmoid [14:34] omg [14:34] Hello guys! [14:34] * apachelogger starts build0ring kdelibs [14:34] aleite: welcome back [14:34] Well.. the script sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start worked [14:35] But it didn't start automatically [14:35] you need start-up links [14:35] sudo update-rc.d kdm default [14:35] And now phonon doesn't work.. and I can't mount external devices... [14:35] *defaults [14:35] "sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults 30 01" [14:35] better :] [14:35] aleite: that is the price of using trunk :P [14:35] ok... [14:35] I'll try [14:36] and there's a config file to change too [14:36] so that kdm is the default display manager [14:36] and gdm doesn't try to launch itself [14:36] /etc/X11/default-display-manager [14:36] apachelogger: but trunk is so much funnier.. :D [14:36] apachelogger: you're faster than me :p [14:36] I did that... [14:36] aleite: I know :D [14:36] smarter: you go package 4.1.4! [14:37] But now akonadi works perfectly! [14:37] That's good [14:37] :D [14:38] not that it would be useful though :P [14:38] apachelogger: I'll do once I've finished my homework && if ( $time != "10pm; utc+2" ) [14:38] s/!=/ smarter: $time >= I suppose? [14:38] =< is invalid in any language I know [14:39] Well.. I'll reboot again and see what happens [14:39] See ya [14:40] Riddell: its wlm, mis-typed as wml :) [14:42] Hello guys [14:42] It Worked!!! [14:42] What a magic command , this update-rc.d thing [14:42] :D [14:43] Phonon still doesn't work but I think it is because I didn't compiled it with pulse-audio support [14:43] freeflying: I still don't know what that is I'm afraid [14:44] smarter: thanks for the great tip [14:44] aleite: pretty much so if you are running ubuntu [14:44] Riddell: msn protocol of kopete [14:44] Riddell: now is called window live messenger [14:45] ~wp windows live messenger [14:45] Results for windows live messenger: 1. Windows Live Messenger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger | 2. Windows Live Messenger IM Control: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger_IM_Control | 3. Windows Live Messenger - Simple English Wikipedia, the free ...: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Messenger [14:45] [1] Windows Live Messenger 8.5 conversation window [14:45] I still can't mount my external device.. I could when I used gdm [14:45] unlikely [14:45] KDE trunk doesn't have integration for that stuff yet [14:45] freeflying: oh right, how confusing. libmsn is still going through main inclusion, it needs a security review [14:46] What stuff? [14:46] Riddell: thanks [14:47] org.freedesktop.Hal.device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy... it says when I try to my it [14:47] aleite: yeah [14:47] dolphin would have to authenticate that you are allowed to mount devices, which it can't do right now, because policykit-kde is not yet in trunk [14:48] I see... it worked with gdm because it used their policies... I guess [14:49] Where is policykit-kde? wasn't it on playground? [14:49] yes [14:49] aleite: it would be weird if it worked with gdm though [14:50] It does [14:50] the authentification is done by the component that needs the permissions, not the display manager [14:50] weird it is [14:50] When I login though gdm.. I just click the device on that plasmoid and bang... it mounts [14:53] Weird indeed [14:55] ScottK: bug 314504 got a diff [14:55] Launchpad bug 314504 in intrepid-backports "please backport choqok 0.2 from jaunty to intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314504 [14:58] Any core-dev around that could take a look at bug bug 314554? [14:58] Launchpad bug 314554 in strigi "New upstream release (strigi 0.6.2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314554 [14:59] freeflying: I don't suppose you know of anyone looking at making a KDE frontend to ibus? [15:00] what is ibus? [15:01] Apple's local transportation system ;) [15:01] lol [15:02] apachelogger: scim replacement [15:03] iSee [15:05] Riddell: no, I don't [15:06] Riddell: I still doubt if it can replace scim even it will be re-implenmented in c [15:07] freeflying: why do you think it can't replace scim? [15:09] Riddell: it use the oringin data type of dbus, I think its limiation for a input method, especially those complex, like japanese [15:09] Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101691/ [15:11] apachelogger: Qt version? [15:11] Riddell: and compare with imbus, you will find it is not so mature as a framework http://code.google.com/p/imbus [15:11] Nightrose: 44 [15:11] apachelogger: can you send that to Ian? he b0rked that [15:11] Riddell: btw, do you have any suggestion on scim-sunpinyin? :) [15:12] apachelogger: If you think the diff in 314504 is good, feel free to upload. I'll ack it then. [15:13] Nightrose: what way would be best? [15:13] freeflying: convince upstream to licence as BSD? [15:13] apachelogger: email - everything else is mostly hopeless lately [15:13] :/ [15:14] ScottK: what is the preferred changelog entry? [15:15] apachelogger: Something like * Source backport of .... Changes from Jaunty: [15:15] And then the changes. [15:15] Riddell: was Open Source Nigeria 2009 what you were talking about? [15:15] The revision should be the current Jaunty revision with ~intrepid1 on the end. [15:16] seele: yes [15:20] ScottK: uploaded [15:21] apachelogger: Uploaded == attached the debdiff to the bug or == dput to the archive? [15:22] Riddell: no other solutions? :) [15:22] ScottK: dput [15:22] apachelogger: Great. [15:22] freeflying: include the original form and the compiler in the package [15:23] Riddell: certainly canonical would send you to talk about kubuntu there? :) [15:24] apachelogger: Ack'ed. Now if we just could find an archive admin to accept it. [15:24] Riddell: please accept choqok in intrepid-backports [15:24] ScottK: thx [15:24] JontheEchidna: does someone look at strigi already? [15:25] JontheEchidna: + you should be doing 4.1.4 :P [15:25] don't think so, or at least they didn't tell me :P [15:25] + I did that yesterday before 4.1.4 [15:25] :P [15:25] Not /me [15:25] * apachelogger reviews strigi [15:25] yay, pbuilder actually created the pbuilder without failing this time, unlike last night [15:26] * apachelogger still thinks revu is better fitted for package updates [15:27] apachelogger: where is your magical kde dependency tree chart? [15:27] * ScottK thinks so too. [15:27] JontheEchidna: kollide/tmp [15:27] * JontheEchidna bookmarks [15:30] JontheEchidna: got a buildlog for strigi? [15:30] nope [15:30] gotta wait until kde4libs is finished then [15:33] apachelogger: prepareing ked-4.1.87? [15:34] 4.1.4 [15:40] NCommander: btw, I just noticed that apparently the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa is non-virtual [15:41] wait ... what? [15:41] NCommander: k-m-4 seems to be building all arches, not just the main 3 [15:42] * NCommander looks [15:43] apachelogger, it doesn't seem to here [15:43] apachelogger, what package are you looking at? [15:43] amarok-mysql-5.1 [15:43] * Riddell gets onto the MIRs for qzion and qedje and google gears [15:43] at least it copied loads of debs when I copied to another ppa earlier [15:44] I just see lpia, amd64, and x86 [15:44] hm, maybe it was a bug in soyuz then [15:44] apachelogger, btw sorry about the MIR for libmsn, i asked around for a security guy but didn't found any at all [15:45] emonkey: there is a ubuntu-security team @ lp [15:45] which isn't contacted by now? [15:46] is, they are doing a review soonish [15:46] choqok on lpia intrepid-backports built \o/ [15:46] apachelogger: It'll still go to binary New. [15:46] o nice, so that task dont need any further attention from me? [15:47] ScottK: well, the buildds are pretty busy, so there is no quick availability anyway [15:47] emonkey: nope [15:47] apachelogger, ok thx [16:06] is rc1 going to be packaged or just the 4.2 release? [16:06] is there any way to unupgrade? heh [16:07] seele: it will be packaged after 4.1.4 is done [16:07] format and reinstall to un upgrade? [16:08] jjesse_: i was hoping to avoid reinstalling. i dont know where my cdrom is atm :) [16:08] oh well.. i guess i'll have to deal with plasma crashing every 5 minutes until i find it === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:08] i should know better by now to test on my work laptop [16:08] seele: you coul create a liveusb and redo the install from there [16:08] i use a liveusb to install to my dell mini [16:08] jjesse: oh good idea [16:09] dont know if the ubuntu liveusb crator works w/ kde only, i used the fedora one [16:13] <_neversfelde> unetbootin is a nnice tool to create a liveusb with KDE === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [16:22] Riddell: for sunpinyin, how about make a dfsg package? remove the whole data dir in source tarball [16:22] JontheEchidna: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [16:23] ah, last release was a sync [16:23] freeflying: does that leave anything useful? [16:25] Riddell: users only need to donwload it from internet, then it works [16:25] :) [16:25] freeflying: if you think that would be useful to people then by all means do [16:26] * JontheEchidna steps away for a bit to prepare lunc [16:26] h [16:38] jjesse: one thing i didnt think of.. can you downgrade kmail files once you import them to akanodi? [16:42] seele: kmail doesn't actually use akonadi yet [16:42] except for contacts [16:42] Riddell: so it was just the contacts? [16:42] ah hah.. ok [16:42] I think it didn't even import the contacts [16:42] korganiser uses it too [16:43] what was the giant import process int he beginning for? just korg? [16:43] it just accesses them via akonadi, but they are not actually stored in it [16:43] will kmail still want mysql server? [16:43] seele: creation of the akonadi configuration to access the old resources [16:43] or I am wrong after all and your data have been eaten by akonadi [16:44] cbr: yes [16:44] :( [16:44] why can't it be integrated like in amarok or smth? [16:44] Riddell: kuser looks unlikely for jaunty. dont know if you need to take it off the list? [16:44] hopefully for 4.3, but that doesnt matter to kubuntu [16:45] we don't really have a list except the specs [16:45] s/list/spec [16:45] spec's don't tend to be edited once approved [16:46] ok then [16:53] Riddell: I have seen that you did not merge digikam with debian/expiremental package - was this intentional, or should I do this for beta8? [16:53] why the heck is wiki.kde.org still alive? [16:54] will kde autodetect audiocd's? or well, detect them at all for that matter [16:59] Lure: only that debian experimental is old, if it's worth the merge then please do [16:59] apachelogger: this annoys me too [16:59] cbr: I seem to remember apachelogger looking into that, needs a complex solid rule thing [17:00] Riddell, cbr: it should already do that it just doesn't have actions assigned ... well actions beside opening it with dolphin [17:00] these actions require "complex" solid rules [17:01] imo it didnt for me in beta1 or beta2 [17:01] didnt even display in the "new stuff" plasmoid [17:01] might be something in the linux stack [17:01] vlc played it [17:01] cbr: the detection [17:02] if solid doesn't know about the CD, KDE can't do anything, so I guess the issue is in hal's device polling [17:04] it shows for a data cd.. damn, dont have an audio cd to try atm [17:06] also, hardware eject button functionality is abort for some reason [17:07] Are there currently problems getting Atheros wifi cards working with Jaunty? [17:09] cbr: would only happen if the device is locked I think [17:12] well i have it mounted and opened in dolphin [17:12] that shouldnt stop it though? [17:17] not sure [17:17] technically when it is mounted the device is locked [17:18] or rather, when an application accesses the mountpoint [17:18] Riddell: it would just make future merges easier (when they get our of lenny freeze) [17:18] Lure: yeah, go ahead [17:25] Riddell: -- Installing: /tmp/buildd/kdebase-runtime-4.1.4/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkaudiodevicelist.so.4.2.0 [17:25] do you think that bump was intentional? KDE trunk also comes with 4.2.0 [17:25] or actually does not [17:27] hmm, mostly those .so versions are set globally [17:28] Riddell: kaudiodevicelist is the only lib with version in kdebase-runtime [17:28] it comes from phonon I suppose [17:33] set_target_properties(kaudiodevicelist PROPERTIES VERSION ${GENERIC_LIB_VERSION} SOVERSION ${GENERIC_LIB_SOVERSION}) [17:38] aaaahhhhhhhhhh [17:38] Riddell: my bad [17:38] apachelogger: did you build it against a newer kdelibs? [17:38] * apachelogger kicks JontheEchidna for coming up with jaunty packages while we are doing intrepid packaging :P [17:38] yes [17:38] jaunty pbuilder [17:38] <.< [17:39] JontheEchidna: at least strigi didn't flood my inbox with build failures ;-) [17:39] apachelogger: And he didn't build with the wrong version of the tarball. [17:40] true ^_^ [17:40] hehe [17:40] * apachelogger restarts batbuild [17:42] Nightrose: amaork is becoming patch software [17:42] *amarok even [17:45] we have a few french speakers here right? [17:45] what does douloureux, triste, and grave mean? [17:45] grave i think means serious? [17:45] not sure about the other two [17:45] something, sad and serious [17:45] painful ois the first [17:45] *is [17:45] Sounds more German than French then. [17:46] no, that's not even remotely German :) [17:46] so not positive words [17:46] the middle maybe [17:48] german borrowed the 2nd one from french doesn't exaclty mean the same anymore though [17:48] i don't get how this song is supposed to be played "sad and painful". [17:48] * ScottK was being ironic about stereotypes and nationalities, not translating. [17:48] yeah, german "trist" is more "boring" [17:48] ScottK: I love how others think about us :) [17:49] ugh.. and this one that is supposed to be serious sounds like the sad and painful one [17:49] i guess i dont get french impressionism [17:49] weirdos :P [17:49] Sput: I actually know quite a few Germans and none of them fits the traditional stereotype. [17:49] :) [17:50] These things lag. It was probably a lot more true 50 years ago. [17:50] seele: you need to play it while a dog knaws at your leg [17:51] I do know that none of the German students that came to live with us (we've had 4) found the US to be at all like they expected. [17:51] and stoned out of my mind on opium maybe. otherwise the dog would be seriously pissing me off [17:52] seele: Absinthe. [17:52] It's legal in the US now, BTW. [17:52] ScottK: that too [17:52] yes, but it is insanely expensive [17:52] Dunno. I didn't buy any, just tried it at a friend's house. [17:53] yeah, there are some bars here in DC who have it and we've seen it in the state store [17:53] * ScottK prefers to stick to Scotch. [17:53] * Sput has coffee [17:53] * Riddell coughs politely at ScottK [17:53] even though I know it will screw up my intestines again [17:53] Right. Coffee during the day and Scotch after the kids are in bed. [17:53] We have a liqour store right off the highway here. One step away from having a drive-through ;P [17:54] Before I moved in 2006 the closest liquor store to our house had a drive through. [17:54] JontheEchidna: You're way to young to know about such things anyway. [17:55] * ScottK starts to worry about getting in trouble for encouraging the delinquency of a minor. [17:55] That is, or was, an actual crime. [17:55] It's like a huge store right next to the highway, pretty hard to miss [17:55] a state store, of course [17:57] Well back in the day, when I was about your age the drinking age was 18 and you'd be pretty close. [17:57] ScottK: oh come on youre not that old are you? or did you live in west virginia [17:57] well, drinking age is 16 here and nobody really cares :) [17:57] Yeah, that's one way the US and Europe are very different. [17:57] seele: I grew up in Kansas. [17:58] And yes, I am that old. [17:58] lol [17:58] * ScottK has a younger brother who was legal for 6 months and then not for 2 1/2 years because the state legislature messed up the grandfather clause when they changed it. [17:59] undergrads coming from germany to the US have a lot of fun too [18:00] been drinking here for years, and then they get told they're too young to even enter a pub [18:00] Yep. [18:00] We had that with the ones living with us. [18:00] on the other hand, undergrads coming from the US to Europe usually try to kill themselves [18:00] Yeah. [18:01] * ScottK has lived outside the US for nearly 3 years at different times and still does not at all understand Americans outside the US. [18:01] apachelogger: you have a note about packaging libmal? it's already been packaged and removed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394544 [18:01] Debian bug 394544 in ftp.debian.org "ftp.debian.org: please remove libmal from unstable and testing" [Normal,Closed] [18:02] and opensync seems not to have a stable release [18:02] Riddell: cmake complained about it at some point [18:02]