[00:00] <DaSkreech> jennifer: no just need to fix your old one I guess ;)
[00:00] <DaSkreech> jennifer: did you try a new FF profile ?
[00:00] <jennifer> yeah and that worked fine for a few times. But when i logged out and logged back in; same problem popped up
[00:01] <wesley> i have kde4.2 Rc
[00:01] <arrrghhh> so i tried to upgrade 4.1 to 4.2...
[00:01] <arrrghhh> and now 4.1 is borked.
[00:01] <jennifer> could it have something to do with getting a corupt file from my adept manager
[00:01] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Well you shouldn't have 4.1
[00:01] <arrrghhh> is it better to just do a complete kubuntu reinstall?
[00:02] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, why?
[00:02] <wesley> i am using kde-nightly, and its now 4.2 rc
[00:02] <DaSkreech> wesley: Your driver has nothing to do with KDE
[00:02] <arrrghhh> 4.2 rc was scheduled for release today.
[00:02] <DaSkreech> Umm
[00:02] <jennifer> i am able to download files but when it goes to unpack them; i get a load error or something
[00:02] <DaSkreech> Really?
[00:02] <DaSkreech> said who?
[00:02] <wesley> DaSkreech you know which drivr i have ?
[00:02] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Hmm ? What upacking ?
[00:02] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, so why shouldn't i have 4.1?
[00:03] <DaSkreech> wesley: No I would guess if it's a driver then lsmod would show ou
[00:03] <DaSkreech> you
[00:03] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: You just said you upgraded to 4.2
[00:03] <jennifer> hang on i'll get the message in a second
[00:03] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, well i tried.
[00:03] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: How? what were you following ?
[00:03] <arrrghhh> it didn't complete the upgrade, and not even a dpkg-reconfigure -a fixed it.
[00:03] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, there's directions on kubuntu.org
[00:04] <DaSkreech> Ok and you are on intreprid ?
[00:04] <arrrghhh> yeppers
[00:04] <wesley> Okay lol, the bug i reported is fixed within 2 hours
[00:04] <jennifer> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[00:05] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: what package broke?
[00:05] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Umm ok what command is this from ?
[00:05] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, at this point i'm not even sure.
[00:05] <wesley> DaSkreech i tested my vga on 7.10 8.04 and 8.10 with glxgears and i am getting higher framerates with glxgears in ubuntu 7.10
[00:06] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to see
[00:06] <arrrghhh> ok
[00:06] <DaSkreech> glxgears is not a benchmark
[00:06] <jennifer> it said that it crashed because of a SIGABRT
[00:06] <DaSkreech> jennifer: you pressed ctrl+c
[00:06] <wesley> But on 7.10 and 8.04 it uses vesa driver and not intel, and thats kind of strange
[00:06] <DaSkreech> Signal Abort
[00:06] <arrrghhh> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[00:07] <DaSkreech> run that with a sudo
[00:07] <arrrghhh> i tried running that, and it went thru a lot of crap and didn't finish.
[00:07] <arrrghhh> i'll try it again
[00:07] <jennifer> what does Ctrl + C do
[00:07] <arrrghhh> cancels the operation usually
[00:07] <DaSkreech> jennifer: abort
[00:07] <arrrghhh> it also copies
[00:08] <arrrghhh> if you're not in a console
[00:08] <jennifer> ummm ok
[00:08] <wesley> whats S3TC ?
[00:08] <arrrghhh> ctrl-c?  copy?
[00:09] <DaSkreech> S3 texture compression
[00:09] <DaSkreech> Or the reason that S3 still exists today
[00:09] <jennifer> i am trying sea monkey
[00:09] <DaSkreech> jennifer: what command was that error from?
[00:09] <DaSkreech> Ok
[00:09] <arrrghhh> Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' - i get a lot of those unknown media types
[00:10] <wesley> is that better S3?
[00:10] <jennifer> i dont know and i am havin the same issue on this browser
[00:10] <arrrghhh> jennifer, sea monkey is pretty much firefox...  just older and has more features, like the old netscape.
[00:11] <arrrghhh> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `??????????? ?????? ;gtk-theme-selector.desktop,???????????? ??????????? ???;default-applications.desktop,??????????? ????;gnome-cups-manager.desktop]' for schema (/schemas/apps/control-center/cc_actions_list)
[00:11] <arrrghhh> i get that, and a bunch of those media type unknown error.s
[00:11] <jennifer> so what do i try to get IE7 instead b/c Firefox isnt loading that site
[00:11] <arrrghhh> jennifer, ie7?  on linux?
[00:12] <jennifer> someone told me that i could install it on here
[00:12] <arrrghhh> lol
[00:12] <arrrghhh> like m$ would want that to happen
[00:12] <arrrghhh> have you tried opera?
[00:12] <jennifer> i am just ticked off and no not yet
[00:12] <arrrghhh> i don't even know what the problem is
[00:13] <DaSkreech> wesley: S3 is acompany S3TC is an algorithim made by the company S3
[00:14] <jennifer> i can load every freaking site but FF and i am really getting ticked.
[00:14] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Your filetypes needs to be regenerated?
[00:14] <DaSkreech> ie4linux.com
[00:14] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, beats the heck outta me
[00:14] <arrrghhh> and ie4... bleck.
[00:14] <arrrghhh> ie6 is bad lol
[00:14] <DaSkreech> ie for linux ;-P
[00:14] <arrrghhh> jennifer, you can load every site but FF?
[00:14] <jennifer> yep
[00:14] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, yea, it's hilarous.
[00:14] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Hold up you can't load mozilla.org ?
[00:14] <arrrghhh> jennifer, so you can't load the firefox main website?!?
[00:15] <jennifer> i can on Firefox 2 but on the new one; it says not connected to the internet
[00:15] <jennifer> a page load error
[00:15] <arrrghhh> are you behind a proxy?
[00:15] <DaSkreech> Ah
[00:15] <arrrghhh> check your network settings in ff2
[00:16] <wesley> DaSkreech is there a program where i can change vga drivers ? KDE4.2 doesnt include it
[00:16] <jennifer> i have, everything is set to default
[00:16] <DaSkreech> wesley: Umm I can't think of any off the top of my head
[00:16] <DaSkreech> jennifer: in both?
[00:16]  * djdarkman has no more energy drink left.... :(
[00:17] <wesley> because i am not sure if kubuntu is using the intel driver and not the vesa
[00:17] <jennifer> no just the new firefox
[00:17] <arrrghhh> jennifer, well check the one that works and compare it...
[00:17] <jennifer> ok how do i check my network settings in Firefox 2
[00:17] <arrrghhh> uhm prefs advanced network?
[00:18] <jennifer> sometimes i can load FF on firefox 2 but not firefox 3 and vice versa
[00:18] <arrrghhh> you're not making sense.
[00:18] <DaSkreech> jennifer: The old one has changed settings from the default ?
[00:18] <DaSkreech> wesley: try typing xrandr in the konsole
[00:19] <arrrghhh> if ff2 is working, then there is a config issue with ff3.
[00:19] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Could be a routing error in her network
[00:19] <DaSkreech> jennifer: So this isn't just with a few sites it's with all sites ?
[00:20] <arrrghhh> i guess but if ff2 works then...
[00:20] <jennifer> no i am only have issues with one site
[00:20] <jennifer> fringe-forum.com
[00:20] <DaSkreech> you've told me two
[00:20] <jennifer> no only with one site
[00:20] <wesley> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101388/ this is what i get
[00:21] <arrrghhh> fringe-forum.com works for me
[00:21] <jennifer> i am looking at my connection settings in firefox 2; it is set to direct connection to the internet
[00:21] <arrrghhh> in ff 3.0.5.  so there's some config issue with ff or some issue in your network.
[00:22] <jennifer> i have Sprint as my internet service provider
[00:22] <jennifer> i called them up; they said that it is nothing on their end
[00:22] <DaSkreech> faileas: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/42-rcs-tagged-trunk-is-now-43.html
[00:22] <arrrghhh> jennifer, it's probably not your isp.  i was saying YOUR network.
[00:23] <jennifer> how when i havent made any changes
[00:23] <DaSkreech> jennifer: How is your computer connected to the modem?
[00:23] <DaSkreech> Through a router?
[00:23] <wesley> DaSkreech i already read then, i reading the planet everday
[00:23] <jennifer> i have a sprint mobile broandband connection card
[00:23] <DaSkreech> wesley: Hmm ?
[00:23] <arrrghhh> just because you haven't made any changes doesn't mean changes haven't occured (hardware, etc).  but, if ff2 ALWAYS works and ff3 NEVER works then it's a config issue with ff3!
[00:24] <jennifer> which is linked to the third line in my dad's plan
[00:24] <wesley> www.planetkde.org
[00:24] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: In any case what happened with dpkg command ?
[00:24] <szrhawaii> Does anyone know of a program style like KXdocker for kde 4
[00:24] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, looks like it failed.  i don't see how or why.  it asked me a TON of questions.
[00:24] <wesley> szrhawaii look on kde-look.org there´s a plasmoid being develop
[00:24] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: jennifer said sometimes FF2 works and FF3 doesn't sometimes FF3 works and FF2 doesn't
[00:24] <arrrghhh> the last error was something about flash plugin for ff not working.
[00:24] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Wht questions ?
[00:25] <szrhawaii> what is the name
[00:25] <DaSkreech> Run it again
[00:25] <jennifer> im going to delete FF3
[00:25] <szrhawaii> whats the name wesley
[00:25] <DaSkreech> jennifer: --purge it
[00:25] <DaSkreech> jennifer: apt-get remove firefox --purge
[00:25] <arrrghhh> it asked me a ton.  like keyboard layout, whether i want home directories viewable by all, locale, etc
[00:25] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Woah what?
[00:26] <wesley> szrhawaii something with dock, enough searhing kde-look
[00:26] <DaSkreech> did you upgrade to a new version of kubuntu ?
[00:26] <arrrghhh> no i don't think so...
[00:26] <arrrghhh> all i did was "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[00:26] <szrhawaii> why would i go to kde-look for a program
[00:26] <szrhawaii> im at kde-apps
[00:26] <wesley> its a plasmoid
[00:27] <jennifer> its not lettin me do that
[00:27] <wesley> you wont find it at kde-apps
[00:27] <ralpho> er whats a plasmoid
[00:27] <wesley> !plasmoid
[00:27] <wesley> !plasma
[00:27] <wesley> wtf
[00:27] <jennifer> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[00:27] <jennifer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[00:27] <arrrghhh> jennifer, do you have a package manager running?
[00:28] <wesley> it doesnt know anything about plasmoids
[00:28] <jennifer> no i closed it out
[00:28] <jennifer> brb
[00:28] <arrrghhh> jennifer, something still has a lock on your dpkg.
[00:28] <DaSkreech> jennifer: you have something else running ?
[00:28] <wesley> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/PeachyDock?content=78494
[00:28] <DaSkreech> with a package manager?
[00:28] <jennifer> just the internet and messenger
[00:28] <DaSkreech> ok
[00:29] <DaSkreech> adept fix
[00:29] <DaSkreech> !adept fix
[00:29] <szrhawaii> wesley is kooldock a decent program
[00:29] <DaSkreech> Run that command ^^^
[00:29] <wesley> szrhawaii the link is a dock for kde4
[00:29] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, not me?
[00:29] <wesley> szrhawaii, buy a mac
[00:29] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: no jennifer
[00:29] <jennifer> ok it worked
[00:29] <arrrghhh> figured.
[00:30] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: ok You are not supposed to get messages like that just for installing KDE
[00:30] <szrhawaii> im not trying to buy a mac
[00:30] <arrrghhh> hrm.  i don't know what to do.
[00:30] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Run the dpkg again and paste bin the errors
[00:30] <DaSkreech> !paste
[00:30] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, tell me about it.  that's why i'm wondering if something is really hosed & if it would just be easier to reinstall kubuntu
[00:30] <szrhawaii> im trying to see something but your no help since only plasmoids are there and im looking for a program which has nothing to do with a look
[00:30] <wesley> docks on linux arent that great, maby you have luck with peachdock
[00:31] <szrhawaii> whats peachdock
[00:31] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: You are mixing up plasmoids and themes
[00:31] <DaSkreech> Themes are look Plasmoids are functions
[00:31] <wesley> thanks
[00:31] <DaSkreech> !info peachdock
[00:31] <szrhawaii> im just looking for the program to see what and how they compiled it
[00:31] <DaSkreech> !dock
[00:31] <DaSkreech> !docks
[00:31] <DaSkreech> !info cooldock
[00:32] <dr_willis> !info wbar
[00:32] <DaSkreech> Hmm :-/
[00:32] <dr_willis> !docks
[00:32] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, http://pastebin.com/d937a374 - there's the entire console output of dpkg-reconfigure -a
[00:32] <wesley> szrhawaii ive tried using docks in kde4 but they either dont work, or not good config able
[00:32] <szrhawaii> i only like the raising of the icon style and trying to figure the coding and the way they comiled that part
[00:33] <szrhawaii> i really dont care to much for docks myself
[00:33] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[00:33] <wesley> you could make a second panel orso? stuff some icons in it ?
[00:33] <arrrghhh> k
[00:33] <szrhawaii> no
[00:33] <arrrghhh> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[00:33] <ramin> Hi folks, Can I ask dummy linux questions here?
[00:34] <szrhawaii> dont want a second panel or a dock
[00:34] <dr_willis> ramin,  sure..
[00:34] <szrhawaii> just want to see the programs internals
[00:34] <dr_willis> ramin,  the worse we can do is give you a URL to read  :)
[00:34] <arrrghhh> k i ran that command
[00:34] <arrrghhh> it's uninstalling flash i think
[00:34] <ramin> I want to know which version of the Boost package is installed on my system
[00:34] <jennifer> ok so now what do i do to purge firefox 3?
[00:34] <dr_willis> Boost? never heard of it..
[00:34] <dr_willis> !info boost
[00:35] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Right when that's done run the dpkg again
[00:35] <wesley> szrhawaii then just look on kde-look, by plasmoids and karamba
[00:35] <arrrghhh> it's doing the update/dist-upgrade now.
[00:35] <szrhawaii> but they really dont have the raise up and down look im looking for
[00:36] <ramin> it's libboost I believe
[00:36] <dr_willis> ramin,  fire up synaptic - search for it.. and look at the details
[00:36] <arrrghhh> wow looks like it finished
[00:36] <arrrghhh> reboot!  brb
[00:37] <ramin> @dr_willis where was this synaptic thing?
[00:37] <jennifer> where do i go from there...i entered that command and now how do i purge firefox?
[00:38] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Which command? sorry doing a few things right now
[00:38] <wesley> DaSkreech kde4.2 rc is really better
[00:38] <jennifer> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a                                                               »
[00:38] <DaSkreech> It is
[00:39] <DaSkreech> jennifer: ah sudo apt-get remove firefox --purge
[00:39] <arrrghhh> k looks good
[00:39] <jennifer> it gives me the same message
[00:39] <arrrghhh> now to try the 4.2 update again :S
[00:39] <jennifer> permission denied
[00:40] <DaSkreech> jennifer: same error? that something is using the database ?
[00:40] <jennifer> it asks me 'are you root?"
[00:40] <ramin> could anybody help me? I just did sudo apt-get install libboost.*-dev libboost-doc libboost.*1.34.1
[00:40] <khakane> jennifer: well are you?
[00:40] <ramin> but I couldn't find it on my system
[00:41] <jennifer> yes
[00:41] <arrrghhh> jennifer, are you sure?
[00:41] <arrrghhh> it wouldn't ask if you were root if you were... no offense.
[00:41]  * khakane nods
[00:41] <jennifer> well how the hell would i know
[00:41] <khakane> by typing sudo first
[00:41] <DaSkreech> jennifer: did you put sudo in front of the command ?
[00:41] <crimsun> ramin: find what precisely on your system?
[00:42] <jennifer> i got it
[00:42] <khakane> how does it feel to be root
[00:42] <khakane> ;)
[00:42] <ramin> kubuntu
[00:43] <wesley> Juk bug is still not fixed
[00:43] <jennifer> it didnt work...error processing
[00:43] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, so i did the update again, and i get this - http://pastebin.com/d69feb01
[00:43] <crimsun> ramin: err, you can't find "kubuntu"?
[00:43] <ramin> Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-19-generic
[00:43] <ramin> this is my system
[00:43] <ramin> I can't find the library that I just installed
[00:43] <ramin> libboos
[00:43] <ramin> I did it using apt-get
[00:44] <crimsun> ramin: they're in /usr/include/boost/
[00:44] <jennifer> http://pastebin.com/m2114bb86
[00:45] <crimsun> ramin: (well, the headers are. the shared libs are in /usr/lib/)
[00:45] <genii> !info boost-build
[00:45] <arrrghhh> jennifer, why the heck do you use clamav?
[00:45] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin
[00:45] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: be nice
[00:45] <khakane> and there are other packages that have not been configgured
[00:45] <arrrghhh> no really?
[00:45] <arrrghhh> i'm not trying to be mean
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Well ask questions in a nice way
[00:46] <jennifer> what is it?
[00:46] <ramin> thanks! you guys are great
[00:46] <DaSkreech> jennifer: It's an antivirus for Windows
[00:46] <khakane> jennifer: i would apt-get remove havp
[00:46] <DaSkreech> khakane: Agreed
[00:47] <jennifer> ok
[00:47] <khakane> and then try again with removing firefox
[00:47] <arrrghhh> sorry i'm a little blunt.
[00:47] <arrrghhh> which is why i work in IT.
[00:47] <arrrghhh> ;)
[00:47] <DaSkreech> I realise which is why I'm telling you to be nice
[00:47] <jennifer> i didnt know i had it
[00:47] <DaSkreech> jennifer: apparently :)
[00:47] <jennifer> ok its removed
[00:47] <arrrghhh> i'll try :D
[00:48] <jennifer> now try to remove firefox
[00:48] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: This is a forum where people are not confident in asking for help. You are trying to assist them but doing so in a way that scares them doesn't help anyone's intentions
[00:48] <jennifer> well ir worked
[00:48] <jennifer> it
[00:48] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: How's that install working?
[00:49] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, yea, which is the main reason people don't like trying to get help in these linux channels.
[00:49] <arrrghhh> well i did another update
[00:49] <arrrghhh> looks like it finished!
[00:49] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Don't make it worse :) make it better
[00:49] <arrrghhh> still says i have one package to update...
[00:49] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Run it again then
[00:49] <jennifer> whats x11proto-core-dev ?
[00:49] <DaSkreech> jennifer: A devlopers package if you are coding for X11
[00:49] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, gwenview has been kept back.
[00:50] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: No reason ?
[00:50]  * genii feeds DaSkreech a cookie
[00:50] <DaSkreech> Aww Gwenview is really nice
[00:50] <jennifer> i dont even know what it is so should i delete it?
[00:50]  * DaSkreech wags his tail
[00:50] <arrrghhh> i don't need it.
[00:50] <wesley> git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel how do i get that inside ?
[00:50] <DaSkreech> jennifer: If you like. It won't assist you or harm you
[00:50] <arrrghhh> and it didn't seem to give a reason
[00:50] <DaSkreech> genii: help wesley
[00:50] <genii> jennifer: It's not needed unless you're programming something that needs it
[00:50] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: but .... it's nice :(
[00:51] <arrrghhh> jennifer, essentially it's something that is for developers only
[00:51] <wesley> git-core ?
[00:51] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, i like picasa :D
[00:51] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: 3 ?
[00:51] <wesley> and then git git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel  ?
[00:51] <arrrghhh> yes picasa 3
[00:51] <genii> wesley: You will have problems if you try to compile the souce code from there
[00:51] <jennifer> okay well thats taken care of now how to fix the site problem
[00:52] <wesley> ow and if i pick the for normal users ?
[00:52] <arrrghhh> brb, gonna try kde again.
[00:52] <DaSkreech> jennifer: I still have no idea why that one site isn't working How reliably does it not work?
[00:53] <genii> wesley: Have you tried yet instead adding the deb-src line for a later *buntu version then get/build xserver-xorg-video-intel       ?
[00:53] <wesley> Your item cleared customs in NETHERLANDS at 7:13 PM on January 6, 2009. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later.   FINALLY Gives some Kriek to DaSkreech and genii
[00:53] <arrrghhh> well it looks pretty different
[00:53] <arrrghhh> so i'm assuming it's 4.2 :D
[00:54] <jennifer> i've never had issues with it
[00:54] <wesley> genii now can you give that deb-src
[00:54] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: In anything but Konversation try help _> About KDE
[00:54] <DaSkreech> jennifer: yes but since 3 days ago you have never been able to get on?
[00:54] <arrrghhh> lol xchat es no kde app :P
[00:55] <jennifer> i've had issues getting on. As soon as i go to log in..it messes my computer up
[00:55] <arrrghhh> 4.1.85 (4.2 beta 2) evidently
[00:55] <arrrghhh> i was hopin for the rc, oh well.
[00:55] <wesley> doesnt anyone want to port amarok 1 to kde4
[00:55] <genii> wesley: Which kubuntu are you currently on?
[00:55] <wesley> 8.10
[00:55] <crimsun> are you serious about backporting amarok1 to kde4?
[00:56] <crimsun> amarok1 seems quite unmaintained
[00:56] <wesley> yeah, its better then 2
[00:56] <arrrghhh> wesley, why?  amarok 2 is sweet.
[00:56] <crimsun> s/back/forward/
[00:56] <arrrghhh> i guess to each his own lol
[00:56] <wesley> to bugged, and the gui, doesnt look nice
[00:56] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: No RC
[00:56] <DaSkreech> as yet
[00:56] <arrrghhh> i thought that was today?
[00:56] <genii> wesley: Then add to /etc/apt/sources.list a line:  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
[00:56] <DaSkreech> crimsun: That's a forward port
[00:56] <genii> wesley: You might want countrycode in there as well
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Ah right :)
[00:57] <crimsun> DaSkreech: yes, note the regexp =)
[00:57] <DaSkreech> wesley: It's a .0 release and the UI isn't final
[00:57] <wesley> okay, because on moment i dont like how it looks, but i was joking about porting 1
[00:58] <wesley> genii why add my land code ?
[00:58] <wesley> btw thats nl
[00:58] <genii> wesley: Will likely be a faster mirror is why
[00:59] <arrrghhh> if you get a mirror closer to you, chances are it'll be faster.
[00:59] <genii> wesley: That is if they have the jaunty on it yet
[00:59] <wesley> they have
[00:59] <wesley> its nl
[00:59] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, i thought rc1 for kde4.2 was out today?
[00:59] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: nope
[00:59] <wesley> arrrghhh not its tagged ( the trunk is rc now )
[00:59] <arrrghhh> hrm
[00:59] <arrrghhh> i thought i read that on the schedule.  those change tho ;)
[01:00] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/42-rcs-tagged-trunk-is-now-43.html
[01:00] <jennifer> well i dunno what to do
[01:00] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: Nope just attached the right date to the wrong thing
[01:00] <jennifer> maybe its the site itself when i go to log onto that account
[01:00] <arrrghhh> lol i see
[01:00] <DaSkreech> jennifer: what happens when you go to it?
[01:00] <arrrghhh> jennifer, and if it's ONLY that ONE page... it's probably the website.
[01:01] <genii> wesley: Then make sure you have build-essential installed. Then do an   apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-intel  (somewhere under your home dir)  then cd xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4.1         then the usual configure/make/make install    or so
[01:01] <wesley> okay :)
[01:01] <jennifer> i go onto the site and login. it says thanks for loggin in and the page will redirect u
[01:01] <jennifer> it never does
[01:01] <wesley> i have build things default, because i need to compile my wlan
[01:02] <arrrghhh> jennifer, do they have a link to click if the page doesn't automatically redirect you?
[01:02] <wesley> fedora has it working my wlan, but i didnt like fedora i always come back by kubunty
[01:02] <arrrghhh> they _all_ have in my personal experience
[01:03] <jennifer> yes
[01:03] <jennifer> i click it an nothing happens
[01:03] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:03] <arrrghhh> no popups blocked?
[01:03] <wesley> hope i can build tomorrow my mini itx with kde4 on it
[01:03] <DaSkreech> jennifer: where does it normally redirect you to?
[01:04] <DaSkreech> what URL ?
[01:04] <arrrghhh> jennifer, well there's one sure-fire way to rule out FF problems.  try opera!
[01:04] <arrrghhh> probably still fringe-forums.com
[01:04] <jennifer> how do i get it
[01:04] <arrrghhh> jennifer, opera.com.  grab the .deb for ubuntu.
[01:04] <wesley> how the support on atom 330 dual core ?
[01:04] <jennifer> http://fringe-forum.com/forums/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1231290167-e2918d80b181ea8f8643a342f43ca4acc4b788a5
[01:04] <arrrghhh> double click and install.  i don't know if it's in the repo.s
[01:05] <sztomi> Hi. Does a port of oxygen theme for kde3 exist?
[01:05] <wesley> going have my first dual core machine and it only uses 8 wat
[01:05] <wesley> sztomi yes
[01:05] <DaSkreech> I don't know it works here :(
[01:05] <dr_willis> sztomi,  i belive ive seen them on kde-look.org
[01:05] <sztomi> I keep looking :)
[01:06] <jennifer> do i need to dwnload the package in TAR.GZ format
[01:06] <DaSkreech> jennifer: deb if possible
[01:06] <sztomi> only icon themes I see
[01:06] <jennifer> ok
[01:07] <arrrghhh> jennifer, don't take this the wrong way, but what made you try linux?
[01:08] <wesley> checking for DRM... configure: error: Package requirements (libdrm >= 2.4.0)were not met:  genii
[01:08] <wesley> !libdrm
[01:08] <jennifer> windows xp crashed my computer twice
[01:09] <arrrghhh> jennifer, noble of you to try linux.  i hope you stick with it, it's a steep learning curve but well worth it!
[01:09] <wesley> i have photo from my notebook when it had a bluescreen of dead
[01:09] <sztomi> jennifer: you are lucky. I happened ONLY twice
[01:09] <sztomi> :Ö
[01:09] <DaSkreech> !find libdrm
[01:09] <DaSkreech> !info libdrm2
[01:10] <wesley> is kubuntu working on adept ?
[01:10] <genii> wesley: You may have to d/l the source of each dependency as it comes up. This is the drawback of doing it this way
[01:10] <DaSkreech> wesley: no It's a dead project as of jaunty
[01:10] <wesley> ow, whats going be the next package manager /
[01:11] <DaSkreech> jennifer: You have a deb file?
[01:11] <DaSkreech>  kpackagekit
[01:11] <jennifer> yes
[01:11] <genii> I hope not CNR
[01:11] <genii> DaSkreech: Whew
[01:11] <wesley> oh lol it was slow on fedora kpackagekit
[01:11] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, so adept is not being used in jaunty?
[01:11] <arrrghhh> i've never used kpackagekit...
[01:12] <DaSkreech> jennifer: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/opera.deb
[01:12] <arrrghhh> lol ubuntu i don't think would EVER use cnr
[01:12] <wesley> looks good, but was kind of slow on fedora
[01:12] <arrrghhh> is gdebi a gnome thing?
[01:12] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: You can use it in Ubuntu right now
[01:12] <wesley> kpackagekit looks better then adept
[01:12] <DaSkreech>  I liked adept :(
[01:12] <DaSkreech>  Debtags ftw
[01:13] <wesley> me to
[01:13] <wesley> adept kde3 was the best
[01:13] <DaSkreech> I know
[01:13] <arrrghhh> adept kde4 kinda sucks...
[01:13] <wesley> that kde4 version is dumb
[01:13] <DaSkreech> The authour couldn't maintain it though
[01:13] <jennifer> its automaticly doing so
[01:13] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: He wrote that in a few days from scratch to have it in time for the KDE4 launch
[01:13] <wesley> if i typ vlc it doesnt find vlc
[01:13] <DaSkreech> asa favour since he doesn't use Kubuntu
[01:14] <arrrghhh> DaSkreech, wow really?  adept was being managed by one person?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> jennifer: Sweet :)
[01:14] <wesley> but if i typ vlc player then its find vlc
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:14] <DaSkreech> He put real life stuff on hold so that Adept would have something the worked by the time kubuntu shipped
[01:14] <arrrghhh> jeebus
[01:14] <jennifer> thats weird
[01:15] <DaSkreech> http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html
[01:15] <jennifer> it said it installed when im not seeing anything
[01:15] <DaSkreech> jennifer: not seeing anything ?
[01:16] <arrrghhh> jennifer, k-menu -> internet -> opera
[01:16] <jennifer> its not showing up
[01:16] <jennifer> i may have to reboot
[01:16] <jennifer> brb
[01:16] <arrrghhh> no...
[01:16] <jennifer> huh
[01:16] <arrrghhh> that's the thing with linux
[01:17] <arrrghhh> the _only_ time you should have to reboot the computer (completely) is with a kernel update.
[01:17] <wesley> so the adept inventor leaves kde ?
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:18] <DaSkreech> jennifer: alt+F2 -> opera
[01:19] <wesley> is he still devolping free software then ?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> possibly
[01:19] <DaSkreech> but he's very swamped with his real life
[01:20] <DaSkreech> If he has time I do not doubt that he will return to KDE work
[01:20] <arrrghhh> a programmer with a real life?  no...
[01:20] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:20] <wesley> i wish i could devolp for kde
[01:20] <jennifer> it didnt work
[01:20] <jennifer> i went to install it and nadda
[01:20] <DaSkreech> He's online now if you would like to say something to hime
[01:20] <DaSkreech> jennifer: how did you install ?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> wesley: What prevents you?
[01:20] <wesley> arrghhh they have to wifes and maby kids ( You  think a dev doesnt want those things )
[01:21] <jennifer> the file is on my desktop so i click it. then click the install button
[01:21] <DaSkreech> oh ok :)
[01:21] <arrrghhh> wesley, joking...
[01:21] <wesley> DaSkreech its hard, if i see al those lines ( Which maby isnt that hard if you learn, but i dont get it really how ypu do that make a app
[01:21] <dr_willis> what are we installing? i missed it...
[01:21] <dr_willis> :)
[01:21] <DaSkreech> opera
[01:21] <DaSkreech> from opera's site
[01:21] <DaSkreech> they deb it up it seems
[01:22] <Chris47> Where we can get the list of driver wifi updated in 2.6.28 ^
[01:22] <Chris47> ?
[01:22] <dr_willis> i just do a 'sudo dpkg -i operawhatever.deb'
[01:22] <DaSkreech> wesley: ha ha those lines are an app :)
[01:22] <dr_willis> I was thinking they had a EULA you had to agree to.
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Chris47: kernel.org
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Or kerneltrap.org
[01:22] <DaSkreech> I don't know
[01:22] <DaSkreech> maybe
[01:23] <DaSkreech> does the kdebi have a  confirmation dialog?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> jennifer: whats the name of the file ?
[01:23] <wesley> DaSkreech yeah i know that, and i know that you can take part of codes in you app, but it looks so complecated
[01:23] <dr_willis> heh -  the opers  download is 'file not found' here for me on ubuntu
[01:23] <DaSkreech> wesley: well it depends on your mindset. There are many things that you can do without coding to help KDE though
[01:24] <wesley> I bug already
[01:24] <jennifer> opera_9.63.2474.gcc4.qt3_i386
[01:25] <DaSkreech> jennifer: .deb ?
[01:25] <jennifer> yes
[01:25] <DaSkreech> jennifer: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/opera_9.63.2474.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb
[01:26] <wesley> so i did the make install stuff and like, so i bet if i wanna see effects i should restart xserver ?
[01:27] <kk> test
[01:27] <DaSkreech> yo uten
[01:27] <DaSkreech> !test | kk
[01:28] <genii> wesley: You might also want to run depmod
[01:29] <wesley> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/101403/
[01:29] <jennifer> that worked
[01:29] <jennifer> brb
[01:29] <wesley> what does depmod ?
[01:30] <genii> wesley: Adds the driver you just made to the list of ones it knows about
[01:30] <sztomi> does any one know of a theme for kde3, kde4 AND gtk2, which is the same for all of them, and isn't qtcurve (which I dislike:P)
[01:30] <dr_willis> plastik   perhaps
[01:30] <wesley> oh okay, i hope it worked
[01:31] <sztomi> I'll check it out thx
[01:31] <jennifer> it doesnt work
[01:31] <dr_willis> !dosentwork
[01:31] <dr_willis> !doesntwork
[01:32] <jennifer> it take me through but gives me a blank page
[01:32] <dr_willis> clarify a bit more?
[01:32] <arrrghhh> jennifer, i think that confirms it's the site.
[01:35] <jennifer> well then there's nothing else i can do until the admin fixes it
[01:35] <wesley> genii that source contained updated drivers ofcourse ? Are intel issues fixed? there was a bug that made the fps slow
[01:36] <wesley> 9.04 is not is it ?
[01:36] <genii> wesley: 1) As updated as you can get without going tortuous way of compiling bleeding edge from Xorg itself (after adapting libs etc for *buntu)  2) Dunno
[01:37] <wesley> going restart
[01:37] <jennifer> thanks y'all for the help
[01:38] <Danu> Hello there's a script for Amarok 2 to know what are you listening?
[01:39] <Danu> i mean, in irc for example the /media
[01:44] <wesley> so i am back, and kde4.2 is lookinh amazing
[01:44] <khakane> yup
[01:45] <arrrghhh> 4.2 is a vast improvement over 4.1
[01:45] <frogonwheels> wesley: certainly its starting to live up to the promise of 4.0
[01:45] <arrrghhh> lol yea
[01:45] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: love the nick
[01:45] <arrrghhh> i'm excited for the final release
[01:46] <arrrghhh> frogonwheels, lol not sure what to make of yours.  i've had this handle for about 10 years now!
[01:46] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: even better. Yay for tab completion.
[01:46] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:47] <wesley> but there are still regression problems and stuff but further it looks good, only kwin may be a bit faster sometimes i believe
[01:47] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: and the chances of somebody typing arrghghhh and getting the exact combination is quite remote - brilliant
[01:47] <arrrghhh> indeed.  like the symmetry too?
[01:47] <arrrghhh> i've been a nerd all my life ;)
[01:47] <frogonwheels> yes
[01:47] <frogonwheels> One area I wish there would be improvements on is handling multiple screens with the xrandr integration
[01:48]  * frogonwheels should probably get off his butt and log stuff.
[01:48] <wesley> that still sucks if it are 2 different sizes
[01:48] <frogonwheels> wesley: well for me - even just getting 2 screens sucks. possibly an ATI driver issue.
[01:48] <arrrghhh> once i got a new monitor & the nvidia driver setup my separate x-screen setup worked!
[01:48] <wesley> frogonwheels no worry i bet more then enough people are bugging on it
[01:48] <frogonwheels> wesley: oh - and restoring from fullscreen apps.. now THAT sux
[01:49] <wesley> alt f3
[01:49] <frogonwheels> wesley: nah - it doesn't restore the screen properly.
[01:49] <frogonwheels> wesley: it screws up all the regions totally.
[01:50] <frogonwheels> you get two viewports onto a virtual screen space.. but they overlap and are back-to-front and don't quite cover the full virtual space.
[01:50] <wesley> can be, dont know that
[01:50] <arrrghhh> do you use twinview frogonwheels ?
[01:50] <frogonwheels> .. usually have to log out , restart X server, log back in.
[01:50] <frogonwheels> nope
[01:50] <frogonwheels> googling now
[01:51] <arrrghhh> frogonwheels, it's either twinview or separate x screens.
[01:51] <arrrghhh> depending on how you want the monitors to interace.
[01:51] <arrrghhh> er
[01:51] <arrrghhh> interact
[01:51] <frogonwheels> oh no - ATI - so not nVideo.. mergedFB
[01:51] <frogonwheels> nVidea
[01:51] <frogonwheels> argh
[01:51] <frogonwheels> lol
[01:51] <Danu> please an script for irc of Amarok2 (/media, what are you listening)
[01:51] <arrrghhh> i didn't realize the terminology would be different!
[01:51] <wesley> i have Intel onboard
[01:52] <arrrghhh> i thought twinview/separate X screen thing was an X11 thing not an nvidia thing.
[01:52] <arrrghhh> wesley, how do you have two monitors with a single head?
[01:52] <frogonwheels> huh.. from ubuntuforums :  HowTo: Dual Monitors (Xinerama/TwinView/MergedFB)
[01:52] <wesley> i have a vga port on my note book
[01:52] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: Xinerama is the X11 thing...
[01:53] <arrrghhh> frogonwheels, i see.
[01:53] <arrrghhh> wesley, ah, didn't realize it was a laptop.  that changes things.
[01:53] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: sounds like TwinView and MergedFB are the emulation layers for Xinerama extensions for nvidia/ati respectively
[01:53] <claudia_> ciao
[01:53] <claudia_> ````````````
[01:54] <arrrghhh> frogonwheels, interesting.  i've always tried to shy away from ati... just a personal preference.
[01:54] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: huh.. MergedFB is the opensource and BigDesktop the ATI (firegl? ) proprietory drivers.
[01:54] <wesley> arrrghhh but 2 monitors doesnt work that well with 2 different resolutions
[01:54] <arrrghhh> wesley, it does for me.
[01:54] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: yeah.. it was actually a bit of an accident.
[01:54] <arrrghhh> wesley, i have a 1440x900 screen and a 1920x1080 screen
[01:55] <arrrghhh> i'm NOT able to drag windows inbetween.
[01:55] <arrrghhh> because i use separate X screens.
[01:55] <wesley> oh, now i dont need 2 screens
[01:55] <arrrghhh> but even with twinview or one "big screen" i didn't seem to have issues.
[01:55] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: I've worked like that b4 when MergedFB REALLY was bad.. and I found it quite workable.
[01:55] <wesley> yeah i have dutch localization build
[01:56] <arrrghhh> i heard ati support used to be exceedingly poor
[01:56] <arrrghhh> hopefully amd open sources their drivers!
[01:56] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: I actually have 3 monitors with the middle one shared between a Vista (boo hiss) box and my linux (ati) box :)
[01:56] <wesley> thats why i use intel
[01:56] <arrrghhh> probably not tho lol
[01:56] <arrrghhh> wait you have a linux-vista-linux window setup?
[01:56] <arrrghhh> that would just be confusing!
[01:57] <arrrghhh> yea
[01:57] <wesley> Intel performancs pretty well
[01:57] <arrrghhh> intel is awesome.  i bought a server board with pretty much all intel stuff for that reason, i knew it would run linux well :D
[01:57] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: I have a keyboard switcher that switches my keyboard/mouse/monitor between 2 systems.
[01:57] <arrrghhh> well they contribute a lot of code to the kernel!
[01:57] <arrrghhh> frogonwheels, oh so you don't have 3 monitors
[01:57] <frogonwheels> which is always a good thing.
[01:57] <arrrghhh> yea kvms are nice
[01:58] <dr_willis> even if they can confuse things :)
[01:58] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: yeah 3 physical monitors.  1 is just vista, 1 just linux.. middle gets swapped.
[01:58] <arrrghhh> oh i see
[01:58] <arrrghhh> wacky
[01:58] <frogonwheels> arrrghhh: you have to turn the auto-detect montior config change on kde off.. or it gets confused
[01:58] <arrrghhh> i just have a 19" widescreen on the left, and a 42" widescreen on the right :)
[01:58] <wesley> arrghhh i bought also a intel mini itx board with a atom 330 for 80 $
[01:58] <arrrghhh> nice
[01:59] <arrrghhh> those new atom processors are cool
[01:59] <arrrghhh> my buddy @ work has a new netbook with one of those processors
[01:59] <wesley> yep they are, they dont use that much
[01:59] <dr_willis> I got an AcerAspireOne
[01:59] <arrrghhh> he uses vista tho :S
[01:59] <arrrghhh> ie8 beta
[01:59] <arrrghhh> bleck!
[01:59] <arrrghhh> yet he works on linux servers all day long haha
[01:59] <wesley> dr_willis i have bought the dual core atom
[01:59] <dr_willis> Opera 10 Alpha
[02:00] <arrrghhh> i didn't know they made a dual core atom haha
[02:00] <sztomi> is there a deb package for QGtkStyle?
[02:00] <wesley> hopefully i will get linux on it without problems
[02:00] <arrrghhh> they just keep addin cores.  they hit a wall with processor speeds
[02:01] <arrrghhh> wesley, it'll probably be smooth.
[02:01] <arrrghhh> unless they used a weird wifi card.  like broadcom!
[02:01] <arrrghhh> besides, isn't that what livecd's are for?
[02:02] <Danu> no one knows a script for Amarok2 to do /media (not here of course)?
[02:02] <dr_willis> check the web site for your irc client?
[02:03] <arrrghhh> you want to control amarok thru irc?
[02:04] <Danu> Mr. dr_willis i use Konversation
[02:04] <Danu> is to show what i'm listening like i did before with Amarok 1.4
[02:06] <arrrghhh> crazy
[02:06] <arrrghhh> was that a plugin for amarok or for konversation?
[02:06] <arrrghhh> mr dr
[02:07] <arrrghhh> mister doctor willis!
[02:07] <dr_willis> I never use Konversation, or amarok.
[02:08] <arrrghhh> lmao
[02:08] <arrrghhh> awesome response
[02:09] <wesley__> if i have 170 kb download how fast is my internet then?
[02:09] <arrrghhh> i'm hoping songbird will get on par with the things itunes does.  converting music would be relatively easy with ffmpeg backend on any os i would think....
[02:10] <arrrghhh> wesley__, are you speed testing it or downloading something...?
[02:11] <wesley__> no, but when i read from providers 120 mbps, then you thing you can download with that speed
[02:11] <maxmahem> Question: Anybody else running KDE 4.2 beta having problems with their window decorations?
[02:12] <wesley__> uh without desktop effects ?
[02:12] <wesley__> blue shadows you mean and like ?
[02:13] <maxmahem> With the desktop effects, it doesn't seem to be listening to my choices for decoration theme.
[02:13] <maxmahem> And the title bar changes color at random times.
[02:13] <wesley__> goodnight people
[02:13] <wesley__> going sleep
[02:21] <maxmahem> Oh, another importnat ish question: is there I can set my remaining windows partitions to get mounted as umm... not as root? Also, can I still write to them?
[02:21] <maxmahem> They are NTFS.
[02:27] <PSiL0> !fstab
[02:27] <PSiL0> !partitions
[02:31] <OxDeadC0de> anyone know what packages to install on 4.2b2 for debugging symbols for libplasma.so.3?
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> OxDeadC0de: kdelibs5-dbg, I guess
[02:32] <OxDeadC0de> ty JontheEchidna
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> yw
[02:46] <werenerd> Does anyone else here hate Intrepid with a passion?
[02:46] <werenerd> I don't think I have ever been so frustrated with an OS as I am right now
[02:47] <werenerd> WTF is wrong with the Knetwork Manager?
[02:47] <william> what's wrong with it?
[02:47] <DaSkreech> werenerd: Don't read release notes do you?
[02:47] <werenerd> oh yeah I have,
[02:48] <werenerd> DaSkreech: I jsut can't believe I can't work around it
[02:48] <werenerd> Knetwork has been a POS for 2 releases now, but I am used to it
[02:48] <p_quarles> the more we have off-topic arguments with trolls, the more we miss actual support questions that we can help with :)
[02:48] <DaSkreech> Try not using knetworkmanager
[02:48] <werenerd> I have always been able to workaround it
[02:48] <werenerd> DaSkreech: I uninstalled it and now I cannot connect at all to a wired or wireless
[02:49] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:49] <werenerd> p_quarles: you talking to me?
[02:50] <werenerd> DaSkreech: I tried getting tWicd to instal by adding it's repo. But that wouldn't work. Kept failing wo retrieve the listing.
[02:50] <werenerd> I am just about pulling my hair out
[02:54] <maxmahem> !topic
[02:56] <kwilliam> Is anybody else have the Zoom Kwin effect stop working after upgrading to KDE 4.2 beta packages?
[02:58] <kwilliam> When I try zooming in or out with Meta+= or Meta+-, it doesn't zoom, and the screen stops interacting until the zoom is set back to 100%.
[02:58] <DaSkreech> werenerd: why don't you just quit knetworkmanager?
[02:58] <maxmahem> kwilliam: I have had quite a few problems with my effects after upgrading to KDE4.2 beta, the compis ccsm may help you reconfigure it.
[02:58] <maxmahem> Though it may introduce its own issues.
[02:58] <werenerd> I am trying to install wicd so I can use a wireless network. I uninstalled knetwork because they conflict
[02:59] <tylor> werenerd : good luck i uninstalled network manager once
[02:59] <kwilliam> maxmahem: um, I'm talking about Kwin's native zoom effect, not compiz
[03:00] <maxmahem> Yeah, but I think you can manage it through there.
[03:00] <kwilliam> But... I don't even have compiz installed. How would that work?
[03:00] <bryan__> hello all, i have a problem which i can not figure out. i am using a laptop, when i do livecd, sounds works fine, after installing the os the sound stops working.
[03:00] <tylor> maxmahem: look in System Setting=>Desktop>All Effects and you might be able to configure it
[03:01] <dwidmann> Okay, so I just got myself a RadeonHD 4670, and I can't seem to get it to bow to my will with regards to my monitors resolutions ... (the resolutions seem ... off)
[03:01] <tylor> sorry my last post was to kwilliam
[03:01] <maxmahem> I don't claim to completely understand it, but kwin includes a great deal of the compiz effects. I know that ccsm will let you reconfigure that effect.
[03:01] <maxmahem> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager should bring it in.
[03:01] <kwilliam> i'll look into that, thanks
[03:02] <DaSkreech> bryan__: check if your mixer is muted
[03:02] <DaSkreech> maxmahem: it does not
[03:02] <DaSkreech> kwin has exactly 0 of the compiz effects
[03:02] <arrrghhh> i kinda wish kubuntu would follow the kde release cycle
[03:03] <arrrghhh> i don't really have any idea how much the kubuntu project depends on ubuntu tho.
[03:03] <maxmahem> :shrug: I must be wrong then. Though I know you can configure the meta+scroll effect he is talking about through there.
[03:04] <werenerd> Does anyone know how to flush the Adept/apt cache?
[03:04] <arrrghhh> kwin should be configurable thru systemsettings, no?
[03:04] <tylor> maxmahem: in Mandriva if you enable Compiz then it disables  kwin effects, could be the same in kubuntu
[03:05] <tylor> maxmahem: just a coincidence that they are both "meta +"
[03:05] <stdin> one can't have compiz and kwin running, they are mutually exclusive
[03:07] <stdin> DaSkreech: not true, it has several similar effects
[03:07] <hatoyu_> When I start up kdevelop error:cannot talk to klauncher
[03:07] <kwilliam> Kwin doesn't use any compiz effects, they've just re-implemented several of them
[03:07] <kwilliam> hey, is sound guy still there?
[03:07] <stdin> that's why I put "it has several similar effects"
[03:07] <maxmahem> The whole thing is rather mysterious to me. Is there any easy way to check what manager is running at any one time?
[03:08] <stdin> maxmahem: if "pidof kwin" returns nothing, then it's not kwin
[03:08] <tylor> try "top -u <username>" and the effects should be pretty high on the list of cpu usage
[03:08] <kwilliam> bryan__, have you tried messing with kmix?
[03:09] <maxmahem> Hmm... seems I am running compiz then.
[03:09] <kwilliam> or, just pgrep kwin
[03:09] <kwilliam> or pgrep compiz
[03:10] <kwilliam> DaSkreech, are you running Kwin?
[03:10] <DaSkreech> stdin: But they are not compiz effects
[03:10] <DaSkreech> installing ccsm does nothing
[03:10] <stdin> DaSkreech: well, kwin is not compiz, so yes
[03:10] <kwilliam> Is anybody running Kwin with the 4.2 beta 2 packages?
[03:11] <kwilliam> I don't know if I write a bug report saying the Zoom effect broken or not.
[03:12] <tylor> kwiliams: not with beta, did you check System Settings=> Desktop>All Effects ?
[03:12] <kurumin> opaaa eai boa noite
[03:12] <kurumin> :D
[03:13] <kwilliam> Yes, it's enabled, it runs but brokenly.
[03:13] <kwilliam> e.g., nothing happens but if I activate the Present Windows effect, it start working
[03:13] <kurumin> instalei o Kurumin NG mto legal
[03:13] <kwilliam> until I click a window, and then it stops again
[03:13] <genii> !es | kurumin
[03:13] <tylor> kwilliam: ok then file a report but make sure one hasnt already been filed
[03:14] <kwilliam> tylor, should I file it in launchpad or bugs.kde.org do you think?
[03:14] <tylor> bugs.kde.org i would think
[03:14] <kwilliam> k
[03:15] <stdin> !pt | kurumin
[03:16] <jimmy51_home> hello... anyone had any luck with an nvidia fx5200 + kubuntu 8.10?
[03:17] <maxmahem> Isn't KDE 4.2 RC 1 supposed to drop like today or soemthing?
[03:17] <kwilliam> jimmy51_home: I had an fx5200 a long time ago, but haven't tested with the latest, no
[03:17] <jimmy51_home> i had integrated video working fine (except it sucked).  i popped in the nvidia card, booted, activated the restricted driver, rebooted, and now it hangs at Checking battery state and the screen flashes every now and then.
[03:17] <tylor> jimmy51: if you are not completely stuck on ubuntu, Mandriva support Nvidia from the LiveCD
[03:18] <jimmy51_home> tylor: i'm stuck :)  this is my wife's machine
[03:18] <arrrghhh> jimmy51_home, checking battery state?  in a desktop?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> maxmahem: no
[03:19] <kwilliam> jimmy51_home: Is it using the *right* nvidia driver? I think their are three, based on how old the card is.
[03:20] <jimmy51_home> well, it first attempted to use whatever adept + the hardware manager found
[03:20] <arrrghhh> and yes there are three
[03:20] <jimmy51_home> i downloaded the recommended 173.14.xx package from nvidia and ran it
[03:20] <arrrghhh> it's supposed to *recommend* the best one
[03:20] <jimmy51_home> it said i had no kernel headers to match so it had to be compiled
[03:20] <jimmy51_home> and failed to compile
[03:20] <kwilliam> well, that's probably your problem there!
[03:21] <tylor> yea that would be it
[03:21] <kwilliam> um, now how to fix that? i'm not sure
[03:21] <arrrghhh> jimmy51_home, the nvidia way is not always best
[03:21] <DaSkreech> arrrghhh: kubuntu discussed that already
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> hehe, well, i tried the kubuntu way first
[03:22] <arrrghhh> yes they did!
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> enabled the restricted driver it suggested
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> bomb
[03:22] <kwilliam> Well, are you more concerned about getting the computer to boot or getting the nvidia driver working?
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> downloaded the package nvidia recommended
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> bomb
[03:22] <jimmy51_home> nvidia driver working
[03:22] <arrrghhh> lol
[03:23] <DaSkreech> update-apt-xapian-index
[03:23] <OrbJinzo> wow
[03:23] <kwilliam> Well..... if you're not dead set on the fx5200, ATI has much better KDE4 support these days I'm told. ;-)
[03:23] <jimmy51_home> hehehe
[03:23] <OrbJinzo> id install the 177.xx drivers
[03:23] <OrbJinzo> binary.
[03:24] <jimmy51_home> i tried to install 177.... it said my GPU was last supported in 173
[03:24] <omarco> Is it possible to control what a shell script should do if it receives a "CTRL+C" (e.g. removing a pseudo lock file)?
[03:24] <jimmy51_home> so i said no
[03:24] <jimmy51_home> shouldi installe it anyway?
[03:24] <OrbJinzo> i thought it was supported guess not.
[03:24] <DaSkreech> kwilliam: Yes kwin
[03:25] <DaSkreech> !br
[03:25] <OrbJinzo> let me check the archived drivers
[03:25] <jimmy51_home> can i do an apt-get install headers or something so it can compile a module?
[03:26] <kwilliam> DaSkreech: does the Zoom effect work for you with beta 2 packages?
[03:26] <OrbJinzo> linux headers right?
[03:26] <jimmy51_home> yeah
[03:26] <DaSkreech> kwilliam: it works
[03:27] <OrbJinzo> ya i think the package is linux-headers
[03:27] <kwilliam> DaSkreech: hm. Do you have Active Desktop Borders enabled?
[03:29] <kwilliam> Never mind, disabling Active Desktop Borders doesn't help me.
[03:31] <OrbJinzo> hey jimmy whats the exact card?
[03:31] <Hato> When I install kubuntu 8.10 and I setup a static IP address the network manger is not working?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> kwilliam: Everything else works?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Hato: Read the release notes
[03:31] <kwilliam> DaSkreech: Magnifier is broken too... and snow. Everything else works.
[03:32] <kwilliam> (Using OpenGL, nvidia (ugh) card)
[03:32]  * DaSkreech laughs
[03:32] <DaSkreech> kwilliam: You have zoom on?
[03:32] <kwilliam> DaSkreech: Yes
[03:32] <DaSkreech> And magnify ?
[03:32] <kwilliam> No! lol
[03:33] <OrbJinzo> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html
[03:33] <kwilliam> that would be bad, lol
[03:33] <arrrghhh> oops
[03:33] <kwilliam> I think they have the same hotkey by default, don't they?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Yes that would be a good reason why they don't work :)
[03:33] <kwilliam> It would indeed.
[03:33] <va> ciao
[03:34] <DaSkreech> !it
[03:34] <DaSkreech> :-D
[03:34] <kwilliam> lol
[03:34] <va> :-9
[03:34] <kwilliam> i wonder...
[03:34] <kwilliam> !en
[03:35] <kwilliam> aw, I was hoping it would say "no speaking in English please!"
[03:35] <craver_> Uptime: 1 days, 2 hours and 44 minutes
[03:36] <jimmy51_home> hmmm... i already have the linux-headers i guess
[03:37] <jimmy51_home> maybe that's not the headers it wanted?
[03:37] <genii> 10:37PM  up 526 days,  5:39, 5 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.06, 0.10
[03:38]  * kwilliam hibernates laptop for week, claims uptime of >7 days
[03:38] <stdin> genii: best I can do is: 05:40:45 up 174 days,  9:06,  0 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.11, 0.04
[03:39] <craver_> Sysinfo for 'craver-laptop': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running KDE 4.1.86 (KDE 4.1.86 (KDE 4.2 >= 20081221)), CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPUT5600@1.83GHz at 1000 MHz (3657 bogomips), HD: 37/105GB, RAM: 1727/1999MB, 146 proc's, 1.2d up
[03:39] <genii> We grow -ot ;)
[03:39] <stdin> ok, enough with the silly scripts
[03:42] <craver_> damn, exiting channel
[03:45] <qcjn> anyone uses konversation instead of xchat, is there advantage ?
[03:45] <tylor> i am using konversation
[03:45] <tylor> i dont know of any advantaged
[03:46]  * craver_ is using konversation
[03:46] <qcjn> tylor: do you like it better then xchat
[03:46] <kwilliam> I haven't used xchat much, so I wouldn't know.
[03:46] <tylor> konversation is all i have ever used
[03:46] <kwilliam> compare the features listed on the websites?
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> where are the linux-headers stoared?
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> it says to run make oldconfig && make prepare on them
[03:47] <qcjn> tylor: ok ! it's just that i m trying KDE, that i,ve install from Ubuntu, so i'm checking out the differences
[03:48] <kwilliam> qcjn: oh! I get it.
[03:48] <craver_> anyone running Jaunty + KDE 4.2?
[03:48] <OrbJinzo> Heh i use konversation cause im lazy
[03:48] <arrrghhh> i would not run jaunty yet
[03:48] <arrrghhh> maybe in a vm
[03:48] <kwilliam> craver_: Jaunty's not out yet is it?
[03:48] <OxDeadC0de> it's +1
[03:48] <arrrghhh> like alpha
[03:48] <craver_> how stable is it?
[03:49] <OxDeadC0de> go ask in ubuntu+1 or kubuntu+1
[03:49] <arrrghhh> probably not very lol
[03:49] <OrbJinzo> in a VM not very.
[03:49] <qcjn> OrbJinzo: i'm lazy to, so i think i ll try it then :)
[03:49] <craver_> i'm bord already, need to play with something new
[03:49] <tylor> add me to the lazy list
[03:50] <kwilliam> craver_: lol
[03:50] <Vardim> Anyone can talk in portuguese ?
[03:50] <Vardim> I have a big problem when trying install ubuntu.
[03:50] <Vardim> can anyone help me ?
[03:50] <craver_> problem?
[03:50] <OxDeadC0de> hmm, anyone know how to get debugging symbols loaded in 4.2b2? I install kdelibs5-dbg but then I run plasmoidviewer in gdb and i don't get any symbols for qt or plasma (both of which I installed symbols for..)
[03:50] <Vardim> not really ubuntu and yes kubuntu
[03:50] <Vardim> yes
[03:50] <Vardim> error 22
[03:50] <jimmy51_home> where are the linux headers stored by default?
[03:50] <arrrghhh> !pr | Vardim
[03:50] <kwilliam> craver_: Figure out how to set up a build environment and compile KDE4 from SVN for me then! ;-D
[03:50] <arrrghhh> er
[03:50] <arrrghhh> !br | Vardim
[03:51] <OrbJinzo> kde = crap crap
[03:51] <OrbJinzo> er 4
[03:51] <OrbJinzo> ..
[03:51] <OxDeadC0de> jimmy51_home /usr/src/linux-headers-kernel#/
[03:51] <Vardim> anyone can try fix a problem of me ?
[03:51] <Vardim> please.
[03:51] <craver_> usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.27-9/
[03:51] <OxDeadC0de> -generic even
[03:51] <arrrghhh> 4.2's looking pretty promising.  they've made ridiculous progress in a year.
[03:51] <tylor> Vardim: whats your problem
[03:51] <jimmy51_home> thanks
[03:51] <OrbJinzo> is it still impossbile to cofigure and crashes?
[03:51]  * craver_ agrees, 4.2 is a huge improvment
[03:51] <OrbJinzo> configure
[03:52] <arrrghhh> error 22 is a grub error probably... can't boot.
[03:52] <OxDeadC0de> yea, 4.2 rules, and I'm trying to get the "Welcome to KDE 4.2" plasmoid up and running but when I give it animations it crashes and I want to find out why but can't get debug symbols
[03:52] <craver_> crashes when i access power management but nothing else.
[03:52] <OrbJinzo> heh
[03:52] <OxDeadC0de> probably something to do with me using ruby instead of c++
[03:52] <kwilliam> arrrghhh: I know, i went to file bug reports based on 4.1, and they were INVALID because it'd all been fixed in 4.2!
[03:52] <OrbJinzo> i still use 3.5
[03:52] <arrrghhh> nice
[03:52] <arrrghhh> 3.5.10 is "rock solid" for sure!
[03:52] <qcjn> ok, i'm on Konversati0n
[03:52] <kwilliam> So I installed the beta2 yesterday.
[03:53] <OrbJinzo> i like konversations interface though
[03:53] <OxDeadC0de> kwilliam we welcome you to 4.2b2 then, but, just so you know, RC1 will be out in a few days so be ready to upgrade again
[03:53] <OrbJinzo> also the shell access is nice.
[03:53] <Vardim> Im trying to install kubuntu 8.10 in a notebook Acer Aspire 5610, with assisted configuration (middle of the space to the / and what last to a /dev/sda5) and when is installing the process of instalation stops when "localizing your hardware".
[03:53] <qcjn> Does it have  voice recognition
[03:53] <Vardim> tylor:
[03:53] <craver_> 4.2 will probably be released this month for sure.
[03:53] <OrbJinzo> heh no.
[03:54] <Vardim> its stops unexpectly
[03:54] <kwilliam> OxDeadC0de: awesome! (maybe zoom will be fixed for me!)
[03:54] <tylor> Vardim: sorry i have never heard of this problem before
[03:54] <Vardim> anyone can help me ?
[03:54] <OrbJinzo> could be a bad install CD
[03:54] <OxDeadC0de> kwilliam the kde zoom plugin? I use compiz for all that kind of stuff still ;)
[03:54] <Vardim> OrbJinzo:  i hope that its not
[03:54] <Vardim> cuz is when is localizing the hardware
[03:55] <kwilliam> OxDeadC0de: Lol. Compiz is so last year </sarcasm>
[03:55] <Vardim> not when copying flies or configuranting smth
[03:55] <qcjn>  trying stuff
[03:55] <Vardim> ive already tryed manual config, but the same problem
[03:55] <kwilliam> Vardim: Kubuntu won't install?
[03:55] <Vardim> mb me hardware doesnt support this ?
[03:55] <OxDeadC0de> kwilliam it may be so last year :P, but it's still damn fast on my hardware where kwin is slow at the same effects, and offers so many more effects, but comes with it's bugs
[03:55] <Vardim> kwilliam: yes, it dst isntall.
[03:55] <Vardim> i do not know why
[03:55] <Vardim> the cd is ok
[03:56] <OrbJinzo> ok
[03:56] <Vardim> i ve burned in ubuntu, and downloaded in the official website
[03:56] <Vardim> i was using windows but pirate so i ve decided use something free
[03:56] <OrbJinzo> id try reinstalled with the english language pack then adding your native language./
[03:56] <Vardim> but it DONT intall
[03:56] <arrrghhh> Vardim, error 22 right?
[03:57] <Vardim> yes
[03:57] <OrbJinzo> ya its a bad install
[03:57] <OrbJinzo> it cant find the partition
[03:57] <Vardim> which is the procedure for me install now
[03:58] <genpfault> for some reason when I continuously resize the System Settings dialog in kde4 it won't redraw/reflow until I stop moving the mouse; what's up with that?
[03:58] <craver_> partition table or boot sector is jacket
[03:58] <craver_> jacked
[03:58] <arrrghhh> Vardim, you can fix this
[03:58] <Vardim> it configurated one swap automatctlly and and ext3
[03:58] <arrrghhh> can you get to the GRUB menu?
[03:58] <OrbJinzo> What i would do Vardim is reinstall using the english language then install portaguese
[03:58] <Vardim> hmmm...
[03:58] <kwilliam> What? Why?
[03:58] <Vardim> i ll try
[03:58] <OrbJinzo> that depends if it even fully installed arrrg
[03:58] <kwilliam> Error 22 is a GRUB problem right?
[03:59] <arrrghhh> error 22 is just a grub error
[03:59] <OrbJinzo> ya
[03:59] <arrrghhh> it's probably the wrong partition
[03:59] <Vardim> but why do it stops in the localizing hardware
[03:59] <Vardim> arrrghhh:  what would you do ?
[03:59] <arrrghhh> it stopped in the middle of the install?
[03:59] <craver_> boot off rescue disk
[03:59] <Vardim> 80% of install
[03:59] <arrrghhh> hrm
[03:59] <OrbJinzo> but he also mention it froze on localizing hardware.
[03:59] <arrrghhh> did you verify the boot disc?
[03:59] <Vardim> no
[04:00] <arrrghhh> boot from it and verify it.  if it fails, then there you go.  reburn at a slower speed.
[04:00] <Vardim> i ll try then verify the boot disc and install in english language
[04:00] <Vardim> ok
[04:00] <minus18_pundit>  is there anyother way other then aptoncd to back up installed software? i want to include the codecs, the drivers.
[04:00] <Vardim> if the boot is ok i ll try with english language
[04:00] <arrrghhh> minus18_pundit, drivers?
[04:01] <Vardim> any another tip ?
[04:01] <Vardim> i ve unpluged my webcam
[04:01] <arrrghhh> Vardim, that's the place to start.
[04:01] <Vardim> ok
[04:01] <Vardim> i ll try
[04:01] <Vardim> thanks guys
[04:01] <Vardim> bye.
[04:01] <arrrghhh> good luck
[04:01] <OrbJinzo> have a good one
[04:01] <Vardim> went
[04:02] <OrbJinzo> i think im growing old
[04:02] <OrbJinzo> i forgot what i wanted to do now :(
[04:02] <minus18_pundit> i want to backup my all installed softwares including the codecs and the printer driver
[04:02] <OrbJinzo> and im only 24
[04:02] <kwilliam> minus18_pundit: RemasterSys maybe?
[04:02] <craver_> i know this is a long shot but are there any packet radio guys here?
[04:02] <OrbJinzo> packet radio?
[04:02] <kwilliam> what IS that?
[04:03] <kwilliam> minus18_pundit: that makes a LiveCD of the current system... I haven't used it before though.
[04:03] <craver_> packet radio is what started the internet
[04:03] <OrbJinzo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
[04:03] <minus18_pundit> remastersys is remastering program. isn't it?  i just want to back up.
[04:03] <craver_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALOHAnet
[04:03] <minus18_pundit> i am lloking for an alternative to ptoncd
[04:04] <minus18_pundit> i am looking for an alternative to aptoncd
[04:04] <craver_> i've got a project that requires a long range data connection in remote areas
[04:04] <kwilliam> minus18_pundit: Here I enlist Wikipedia: Remastersys is a free and open source script for Ubuntu-based operating systems that can:    * Create a customized Live CD/DVD (a remaster) of Ubuntu and derivatives.    * Back up an entire system, including user data, to an installable Live CD/DVD.
[04:05] <kwilliam> ah well, it probably doesn't qualify as a replacement for aptoncd
[04:05] <arrrghhh> minus18_pundit, i usually have my /home in a separate partition.  reinstalls are a breeze.
[04:05] <arrrghhh> i save a few configs that i customized along the way, but that's it.
[04:05] <minus18_pundit> ok
[04:06] <OrbJinzo> have a backup on old PC with many harddrives in it
[04:06] <OrbJinzo> like me
[04:06] <kwilliam> minus18_pundit: Most of the codecs are really easy to install now.
[04:06] <kwilliam> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:06] <arrrghhh> i have a backup on a new pc with many hard drives :D
[04:06] <qcjn> wheather
[04:06] <kwilliam> and the medibuntu repository
[04:06] <OrbJinzo> well im a recycler to
[04:06] <arrrghhh> and all the "drivers" you speak of are built into the kernel
[04:06] <arrrghhh> minus maybe nvidia/ati video drivers
[04:07] <arrrghhh> and crappy wifi drivers like broadcom
[04:07] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Xchat is better for scripting I would guess
[04:07] <arrrghhh> scripting?  xchat?
[04:07] <DaSkreech> !pt
[04:08] <kwilliam> qcjn: Probably the easiest way to compare features is look at Settings > Configure Konversation
[04:08] <qcjn> ho, i was just trying, cause in the configuration it had that...you know it's like a button, You have to push on it !:)
[04:09] <qcjn> ok, had a fault
[04:09] <qcjn> weather
[04:09] <qcjn> nop
[04:10] <enot> weather
[04:10] <enot> stranno)
[04:10] <qcjn> yes it ,s in command line
[04:11] <qcjn> command Aliases
[04:11] <DaSkreech> qcjn: you need to start it with a /
[04:11] <qcjn> ok, like command in xchat
[04:12] <kwilliam> weather
[04:12] <craver_> same for any irc client
[04:12] <kwilliam> Current weather for  : Temperature: , Pressure: , Wind:
[04:12] <craver_> Current weather for  : Temperature: , Pressure: , Wind:
[04:12] <kwilliam> oh. Didn't know about that.
[04:12] <kwilliam> Qt: 3.3.8b
[04:12] <kwilliam> KDE: 3.5.10
[04:12] <kwilliam> kde-config: 1.0
[04:12]  * kwilliam thinks that's sweet
[04:12] <craver_> wish /slap still worked :(
[04:13]  * kwilliam thinks it's too bad Konversation's not ported to KDE4.
[04:13] <craver_> ?
[04:13] <craver_> Linux craver-laptop 2.6.27-9-generic #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:15:32 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:13] <tylor> i am using konversation on kde4
[04:13] <craver_> mm sorry, i'm running KDE 4.2 with konversation
[04:13] <qcjn> well it doesn't seem to do nothing even with the /
[04:13] <arrrghhh> tylor, it runs but it's still a kde3 app
[04:13] <kwilliam> tylor, yes but it's not *using* KDE4.
[04:14] <kwilliam> If you Help > About, you can see that.
[04:14] <kwilliam> or just //kdeversion
[04:14] <tylor> i learn something new everyday
[04:14] <craver_> works fine either way
[04:14] <khakane> Irssi 0.8.12 Linux 2.6.15-52-server i686
[04:14] <arrrghhh> well lets get to porting
[04:14] <kwilliam> craver_: yeah, but but but...
[04:15] <arrrghhh> tylor, it's all the diff between qt3 and qt4...
[04:15] <kwilliam> there's got to be SOME reason that Qt4 is better
[04:15] <kwilliam> :-)
[04:15] <jimmy51_home> geez.  i got the display to at least start KDE but now i've got no kybd and mouse :(
[04:15] <arrrghhh> kinda rewritten from the ground up as i understand it.
[04:15] <kwilliam> Konversation could have those sweet toolbars that resize when you move them. :-)
[04:15] <craver_> what happened to the emerald-themes
[04:19] <kwilliam> jimmy51_home: I will admit, that is strange. Generally, Linux supports keyboards. :-)
[04:20] <qcjn> ok, the weather script don't work, but google works
[04:21] <kwilliam> aliases are also cool
[04:22] <kwilliam> bug 12345
[04:22] <kwilliam> hm, uh.
[04:22] <jimmy51_home> kwilliam: yeah... strange.  i get some kind of crash on boot with a Call Trace and a don of mumbers being dumped
[04:22] <kwilliam> I meant auto-replace, sry.
[04:22] <kwilliam> bug: 12345
[04:22] <kwilliam> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12345?
[04:23] <kwilliam> ah. no space
[04:23] <jimmy51_home> right now the last line says 94.492508 <c0370000> ? netdev_exit+0x10/0x20
[04:23] <qcjn> it bring you to a page talking of a bug in konversation
[04:23] <jimmy51_home> did i mess something up when i ran make oldconfig && make prepare?
[04:23] <kwilliam> really? I just picked a random number, lol
[04:24] <kwilliam> jimmy51_home: I have no idea. I tried compiling a kernel once and failed.
[04:24] <jimmy51_home> maybe i should try changing grub to boot to my older version
[04:24] <jimmy51_home> since it looks like i killed this one
[04:25] <OrbJinzo> sounds like me when i had to enable more then 3gigs of ram 32bit.
[04:25] <qcjn> no, i'm wrong, it's another bug about a printer
[04:27] <qcjn> Qt: 3.3.8b
[04:27] <qcjn> KDE: 3.5.10
[04:27] <qcjn> kde-config: 1.0
[04:27] <OrbJinzo> Qt: 3.3.8b
[04:27] <OrbJinzo> KDE: 3.5.10
[04:27] <OrbJinzo> kde-config: 1.0
[04:28] <qcjn> we're like kids discovering the new toy script :)
[04:29] <OrbJinzo> haha
[04:29] <kwilliam|away> Sysinfo for 'Swordfish': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.2 Beta2)), CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz at 2000 MHz (3990 bogomips), HD: 35/60GB, RAM: 1925/2023MB, 143 proc's, 13.21h up
[04:30] <kwilliam|away> qcjn: yeah
[04:30] <qcjn> i had a script on xchat that showed "now playing" from my mpd. But audio here didn't work
[04:30] <qcjn> Sysinfo for 'qcjn-desktop': Linux 2.6.24-23-generic running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz at 2660 MHz (5325 bogomips), HD: 173/251GB, RAM: 993/1011MB, 125 proc's, 5.15h up
[04:30] <OrbJinzo> Current weather for  : Temperature: , Pressure: , Wind:
[04:30] <Hato> how can i fix the error :Cannot talk to klauncher
[04:31] <kwilliam> Hato: If I had a dime for every time I got that error...
[04:31] <kwilliam> That is a GOOD question!
[04:31] <kwilliam> Is that a D-BUS thing? anybody know?
[04:32] <Hato> yesterday everything is ok but now report this error when I use kedevelop
[04:32] <kwilliam> Hato: well, I haven't gotten it in a long time.
[04:33] <kwilliam> Just when you start kdevelop?
[04:33] <kwilliam> or some other time?
[04:34] <Hato> kwilliam: not at start kdevelop It's happened when I click to expand the file tree
[04:34] <kwilliam> Hato: wow. well, I'm no help to you then. That's odd.
[04:35] <kwilliam> Maybe ask on the kdevelop channel? I can't think what klauncher has to do with a filetree widget.
[04:36] <Hato> kwilliam: Thank you I try it
[04:38] <jimmy51_home> can i remove/reinstall the kernel on my system from the livecd?
[04:39] <jimmy51_home> * Starting kernel log daemon...    [OK]       /n  Segmentation fault /n Segmentation fault
[04:39] <jimmy51_home> and a ton o gibberish after that
[04:42] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: Yes
[04:42] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: how can i do that?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> qcjn: The best part about konversation for me is alt+Ctrl+A
[04:42] <qcjn> what's to know to add aliases
[04:42] <jimmy51_home> boot to livecd, run terminal, ... and say my system is mounted under /media/disk-1
[04:43] <qcjn> DaSkreech: does it do something ??
[04:43] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: sudo chroot /media/disk-1
[04:44] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Go Settings -> Notifications -> Somone wrote you nick in a message and check the last column
[04:44] <jimmy51_home> assuming i get that far.... then what?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: You are now on your drive as if you had booted up and logged in as root except the kernel running is from the Live CD
[04:45] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: So do whatever you like or feel is needed
[04:46] <jimmy51_home> apt-get remove linux-2.27-7-generic
[04:46] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Now anytime someone says your name just press alt+ctrl+A to pull konversation to the front
[04:46] <jimmy51_home> apt-get install linux-2.27-7-generic ?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: sure
[04:46] <qcjn> DaSkreech: doesn't have a last column
[04:47] <DaSkreech> qcjn: so it doesn't have a first column either?
[04:47] <qcjn> lol
[04:47] <qcjn> there's only one column
[04:47] <jimmy51_home> thanks
[04:47] <DaSkreech> qcjn: whats the column name?
[04:48] <qcjn> events
[04:49] <DaSkreech> There isn't a column to the left of that name Flash taskbar entry ?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Well not named that but you get that tooltip when you mouse over it?
[04:50] <qcjn> yes it's events
[04:51] <DaSkreech> To the left of events?
[04:51] <DaSkreech> There are no columns with icons ?
[04:51] <qcjn> to the left, now cause i clicked, there is that icon
[04:52] <DaSkreech> ok in the row that says Someone wrote your nick in a message click to put an icon there
[04:52] <qcjn> flash the task bar entry icon
[04:52] <qcjn> i've just done it
[04:52] <qcjn> it's there now
[04:53] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:53] <DaSkreech> click out to ok then minimize konversation
[04:53] <DaSkreech> or put it in the systray
[04:53] <qcjn> ok
[04:53] <DaSkreech> when I highlight your name press alt+ctrl+A
[04:54] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Hello!
[04:54] <OrbJinzo> i love that feature
[04:54] <DaSkreech> OrbJinzo: Great isn't it?
[04:54] <qcjn> do it again
[04:54] <OrbJinzo> yar
[04:55] <OrbJinzo> the only thing that gripes is no autorejoin on kick
[04:55] <OrbJinzo> I got friend with a !random kick script.
[04:55] <qcjn> i have to click on the X to close the window or the -
[04:55] <DaSkreech> qcjn: ok
[04:56] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Either. You can just open your browser or something
[04:56] <DaSkreech> As long as konversaton isn't focused
[04:56] <qcjn> ok, i close now
[04:56] <DaSkreech> qcjn: but pressing that should bring it back up to the front
[04:57] <DaSkreech> qcjn: you get an OSD when I say your name right?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> I think that should be on by default
[04:57] <DaSkreech> right OrbJinzo?
[04:57] <qcjn> when you say my name, the icon tray blinks
[04:57] <OrbJinzo> yep
[04:57] <OrbJinzo> thats what i have
[04:57] <OrbJinzo> i got sounds disabled
[04:58] <DaSkreech> qcjn: right. Pressing alt+ctrl+A should bring Konversation back up to the front when that happens
[04:58] <qcjn> if i do ctrl + alt+ A nothing
[04:58] <OrbJinzo> i do have a dumb question though
[04:58] <DaSkreech> So if someone says something to you you don't even have to move your hands
[04:58] <OrbJinzo> what key combo to move between virutal desktops in kde?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Compiz?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> OrbJinzo: ^Fn
[04:58] <qcjn> no
[04:59] <qcjn> donT have compiz in kde
[04:59] <DaSkreech> hmm strange it should work
[04:59] <qcjn> have it only in gnome
[05:00] <qcjn> i ll just minimize to see, now
[05:03] <qcjn> i've just seen that i have compiz tray, i've just started it. But nothing
[05:05] <qcjn> ok, i've reload xwindow, and compiz works now
[05:06] <qcjn> that ctrl + alt+ A, does it work with compiz or without compiz
[05:06] <qcjn> DaSkreech:  so ??
[05:09] <qcjn> anyone still here ??
[05:14] <qcjn> back in a minute
[05:19] <qcjn> back
[05:27] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: thanks
[05:28] <jimmy51_home> chroot let me remove and reinstall the headers
[05:28] <bdizzle> I think my computer hates my mouse
[05:29] <bdizzle> I have to click things two and three times, and even then, the window will disappear and I have to keep trying at it until it "sticks"
[05:35] <Newbie> hi
[05:35] <Newbie> I m back
[05:35] <Newbie> i ve installed the kubuntu
[05:35] <Newbie> now i ve got problems
[05:35] <Newbie> can anyone help me ?
[05:36] <dr_willis> State the problem to the channel. be clear, concise, and verbose.
[05:36] <Newbie> i ve upgraded kubuntu but the packages aint runned
[05:36] <Newbie> i saw in adept to me go in the preview but there inst no preview there
[05:36] <Newbie> what do i need do to for install the packages of upgrade
[05:36] <Newbie> ?
[05:37] <dr_willis> 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' is how i normally update/upgrade
[05:38] <Newbie> no no
[05:38] <Newbie> the packages are already downloaded
[05:38] <Newbie> 327 MB
[05:38] <Newbie> but in the adept program it dont install
[05:38] <Newbie> how can i do to install
[05:38] <Newbie> i dont need get it
[05:39] <Newbie> its already downloaded ...
[05:39] <GreydMiyu> So?  Let apt-get determine that.
[05:39] <dr_willis> 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' is how i normally update/upgrade - it will download them if needed.. if they are allready downloaded.. then it will use the ones doenloaded
[05:39] <dr_willis> Unless you are saying you MANUALLY downloaded the .deb packages somewhere...
[05:40] <qcjn> dr_willis: they talked to me about ctrl + alt + A  in konversation. Does it work with compiz or without ??
[05:40] <Newbie> ok
[05:41] <Newbie> i ll try
[05:41] <dr_willis> No idea. I dont use COmpiz :) if compiz has that key combo bound.. then it wont work in konversation.
[05:41] <Newbie> where is the shell of kubuntu ?
[05:41] <Newbie> can u localize me
[05:41] <Newbie> i ve installed for the first time
[05:42] <dr_willis> Konsole = the default kde Terminal program
[05:42] <Newbie> i saw
[05:42] <Newbie> thanks
[05:42] <dr_willis> or ya can install/run others...
[05:42] <GreydMiyu> yakuake = funfun
[05:42] <OxDeadC0de> try yakuake!
[05:42] <GreydMiyu> But not good for persistent terminal windows.
[05:43] <OxDeadC0de> why? as long as xorg doesn't go down it's fine
[05:43] <Newbie> appeared a problem
[05:43] <Newbie> E: unable to lock the administration directory /var/lib/dpkg/, is another process using it ?
[05:43] <Newbie> appeared this
[05:44] <GreydMiyu> I mean in the sense where you want to have a terminal window to one side that stays on one desktop and not a console pulldown for quick terminal work.
[05:44] <Newbie> in the update and in upgrade both
[05:44] <OxDeadC0de> another package manager program is running
[05:44] <OxDeadC0de> you can only run one at a time
[05:44] <Newbie> ok
[05:44] <Newbie> i guess is the adpet
[05:44] <Newbie> i ll close the process
[05:44] <GreydMiyu> For example I'm programming Python in vim in a terminal to the left of konversation.  I'd not want to do that in yakuake.
[05:44] <OxDeadC0de> oh, well, i prefer to do my terminal work on top of a web browser or text editor anyway
[05:44] <OxDeadC0de> I do that in yakuake all the time :P
[05:45] <OxDeadC0de> made an irc bot in python that way even
[05:45] <dr_willis> i like the 'terminator' gnome-terminal variant. :)
[05:45] <OxDeadC0de> haha that's a cooler name
[05:45] <OxDeadC0de> but if I have a web browser open on top of the terminal I can be looking at api docs or examples as I do it
[05:45] <OxDeadC0de> er, underneath the terminal
[05:45] <GreydMiyu> Darn it, the downside of Mercurial, I forget where my repositories are.  :(
[05:47] <Newbie> yes it runned
[05:47] <Newbie> but before i needed to use a dpkj --configure -a
[05:47] <Newbie> why ?
[05:47] <xp-killer> HOW DO I ACTIVAT THE UPNP,
[05:47] <xp-killer> ?
[05:47] <Newbie> i guess was cuz a package of language that aint install
[05:47] <Newbie> now is ok is installing
[05:47] <dr_willis> what 'upnp' ?
[05:47] <dr_willis> apt-cache search upnp to find a upnp server and install it perhaps?
[05:48] <xp-killer> yes upnp
[05:48] <OxDeadC0de> wouldn't that be part of iptables?
[05:48] <OxDeadC0de> er, does he want a server or a client?
[05:48] <dr_willis> 'yes upnp' - dosent really answer much. :)
[05:48] <xp-killer> ktorent says it hepl foward ports on my router
[05:48] <Newbie> why when i put su in the konsole and my key it says thats is incorrect
[05:48] <Newbie> ?
[05:48] <Newbie> why did i need make a dpkj --configure -a?
[05:49] <Newbie> what is dpkj ?
[05:49] <MisterFlibble> it's dpkg
[05:49] <dr_willis> xp-killer,  ktorrent has a upnp plugin  you can enable in its settings
[05:49] <werenerd> Does anyone here use wicd?
[05:49] <xp-killer> oh sorry i dint see the side to activat it
[05:50] <Newbie> MisterFlibble:  yes
[05:50] <Newbie> dpkg
[05:50] <Newbie> pkg=package ?
[05:50] <Newbie> draw packages is this ?
[05:51] <MisterFlibble> stands for debian package
[05:51] <OxDeadC0de> debian package
[05:51] <MisterFlibble> silly question....is shipit not doing x86-64 anymore?
[05:52] <MisterFlibble> or did they just hide it real good? is it coming back?
[05:52] <Newbie> MisterFlibble:  ty
[05:53] <MisterFlibble> Newbie: You shouldn't invoke dpkg usually unless you know what you're doing
[05:53] <MisterFlibble> and apt is not cooperating
[05:53] <MisterFlibble> it has a lot of override switches that can easily break things
[05:56] <balboa02> Is it possible to resize the width of columns (in column view) in Dolphin on KDE 4.2 or have multiple columns page (ala Thunar or Nautlius's 'compact' mode)?
[05:57] <xp-killer> who can help me with port conections? my downloads are not downloading how it sopose to do
[06:00] <dr_willis> If you are refering to torrent ports. you could always manually set the router to forward the proper ports to the linux box
[06:00] <dr_willis> if the router supports 'upnp' then the upnp plugin for ktorrent is supposed to handle that auto-matically
[06:00] <MisterFlibble> xp-killer: You should have UPNP turned on, on your router and in the torrent client
[06:00] <MisterFlibble> and they'll figure out the networking mess for you
[06:04] <xp-killer> MisterFlibble: my box dont have upnp
[06:04] <dr_willis> If the router box does not have UPNP . then you are wasting your time :) manually forward the ports
[06:05] <thomas> hello, I've just installed Kubuntu 8.10, and the sound isn't working.  The only sound I hear is the logout sound.  Nothing else works.  I've set my default device in the sound settings and tryed googleing for help.  I've installed the mediabuntu stuff as per the howto, and there's no change.
[06:05] <dr_willis> most new routers have the upnp features
[06:06] <thomas> I've seen other references to sound problems in 8.10, so I'm sure I'm not the only one... has anyone figured out how to fix it?
[06:11] <dr_willis> a lot depends on your exact sound card.
[06:12] <thomas> sound blaster Live 5.1, plus onboard HDA Intel, plus some USB devices.  The SB Live 5.1 is the main card.
[06:12] <GreydMiyu> Huh, mine "just works".  It's an XGamer Live.
[06:12] <GreydMiyu> KDE 4.1 did have some odd issues with the startup sounds.
[06:13] <dr_willis> My SB cards have all 'just worked'
[06:13] <dr_willis> you may want to disable gtheonboard  in the bios.. been best to disable it befor you installed..
[06:14] <dr_willis>  not sure about the 'plus some usb devices' :)
[06:14] <MisterFlibble> dr_willis: Not just new routers, my old Wireless B had it too
[06:14] <thomas> Why wasn't this an issue before.  It worked on 7.10 and 8.04, as well as OpenSUSE
[06:15] <dr_willis> MisterFlibble,  mine does also.. but some times those old ones.. dont do it very well
[06:15] <thomas> Doesn't this have to do with the new sound system in 4.1?
[06:15] <MisterFlibble> dr_willis: Thats where Tomato or DD-WRT come in
[06:15] <MisterFlibble> default firmware usually sucks
[06:15] <dr_willis> My router is one of those that cant be updated that way. L:()
[06:16] <dr_willis>  but its lasted me for 3+ years now... so  i may get a new one someday
[06:16] <GreydMiyu> MisterFlibble: Presuming you have a router with decent hardware to begin with *glares at his WRT54G ver 6*
[06:16] <MisterFlibble> dr_willis: I use DD-WRT Micro on a Linksys WRT54G version 6
[06:16] <MisterFlibble> mmhm
[06:16] <dr_willis> I got one of those Mini-linksys ones..  I forget the exact one.. but aparently its a pain to haxxor. :P
[06:17] <qcjn> my mp3 player show's up in puppylinux but not in ubuntu KDE
[06:17] <MisterFlibble> the Linksys firmware is horribly unstable, you constantly have to reset the router
[06:17] <hatoyu> I use kubuntu-nighty but the plasma-desktop widget is missing
[06:17] <dr_willis> I do have Debian on my NSLU2 :)
[06:17] <GreydMiyu> I didn't have to reset mine ever, it just was a pain in the butt, was overloaded easily and in general I preferred having my server do the routing before its power supply blew and took the MB with it.  :/
[06:18] <MisterFlibble> hatoyu: Development builds mean anything can happen, any thing can go wrong, at any time
[06:19] <MisterFlibble> Will they release KDE 4.2 Final for Ibex?
[06:20] <hatoyu> MinusSeven:  thank you
[06:20] <hatoyu> MinusSeven:  I see
[06:20] <thomas> does 8.10 use alsa?  ... or what?
[06:20] <qcjn> can i add my mp3 player, some way
[06:21] <dr_willis> You could always mount it manually qcjn
[06:21] <dr_willis> qcjn,  you may want to try installing/running that ntfs-config tool and enable the 'removeable media' options.
[06:22] <qcjn> ok
[06:22] <OxDeadC0de> the ppa launchpad kde4.2 is also missing debug symbols for plasma, unless they named them something else and didn't put them in kdelib's debug symbols since it's now part of kdelib :/
[06:22] <lanoxx_> someone in here how could help me fix my sound drivers?
[06:23] <lanoxx_> i downloaded an installed pack from asus.com which broke my sound completly, now i dont know how to get it to work again
[06:23] <OxDeadC0de> or unless I have "dll hell"
[06:24] <MisterFlibble> OxDeadC0de: They also packaged the wrong build of kformula
[06:24] <MisterFlibble> so you can't install Koffice
[06:24] <OxDeadC0de> :|
[06:24] <OxDeadC0de> I can use openoffice if I need office really, but not having debug symbols cripples my capabilities to investage bugs in software I'm trying to write on it for the next release
[06:25] <OxDeadC0de> gah I need a new hd so I can compile it all myself...
[06:29] <xp-killer> whats the default ports udp and tcp for ktrrent?
[06:30] <qcjn> dr_willis: it sees another ntfs , but not my player
[06:31] <OxDeadC0de> what ever happened to the feature on game console where if you held down a bunch of certain buttons for long enough it'd reset
[06:31] <OxDeadC0de> consoles*
[06:32] <xp-killer> on the ps3 it existes
[06:32] <OxDeadC0de> bah, i only have a ps2
[06:32] <xp-killer> then upgrade
[06:32] <OxDeadC0de> that's like telling me to get a real job
[06:33] <xp-killer> stop feeding on momy tits and drink out your own bottle
[06:34] <xp-killer> whats the default ports  for ktrrent? i change mine i want to put them back how it was
[06:34] <xp-killer> ktorrent*
[06:34] <OxDeadC0de> never heard of google? smartass?
[06:35] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: u ever heard if u have the direct answer for someone who is strugling to help them
[06:35] <xp-killer> ?
[06:36] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: just launch your ktorrent n give me the default ports
[06:36] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: if u help me some day i might help u
[06:36] <GreydMiyu> http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&q=ktorrent+default+ports
[06:37] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: i have an extra ps3 there u want it? ;)
[06:37] <OxDeadC0de> haha I'll live, don't like games much anyway, they distract me from trying to write decent software that can hopefully help me get a job in it ;)
[06:37] <OxDeadC0de> even though i want to write them... :P
[06:39] <OxDeadC0de> so atm, i'm a student
[06:39] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: is not just a game system
[06:39] <OxDeadC0de> I know, i've read the specs and reviews etc :P
[06:39] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: its does everthing u want it to do even cook food
[06:39] <OxDeadC0de> my laptop does that
[06:39] <xp-killer> XD
[06:39] <OxDeadC0de> fries eggs on cold days even
[06:40] <xp-killer> when u get cancer dont complain
[06:40] <OxDeadC0de> I already learned not to keep it on me
[06:41] <xp-killer> wait how u get a laptop and u cant even aford a ps3?
[06:41] <OxDeadC0de> had jobs before
[06:41] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: wwhat laptop u have?
[06:41] <xp-killer> had jobs befor ?lol
[06:42] <OxDeadC0de> turion x2 64 1.8ghz, 2gb 566mhz :| ddr2 sdram, low end nvidia geforce fx 6150-go igp, 120gb sata hd, extra sata slow
[06:42] <OxDeadC0de> slot*
[06:44] <qcjn> hi' i'm ubntu kde, wan't to mount my mp3 player of 2Gb...This could be it Disque /dev/sdd: 2041 Mo, 2041012736 octets
[06:45] <qcjn> do i just do "mount /dev/sdd"
[06:45] <xp-killer> ....
[06:45] <Xpert> i cant use the amarok
[06:45] <Xpert> it needs codecs
[06:45] <Xpert> ive installed the libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:45] <Xpert> but it dont runned the sound yet
[06:45] <Xpert> what may i do ?
[06:46] <solid_liq> Xpert: I thought you were an expert ;)
[06:46] <Xpert> how to put a fast iniciallization in the side of the K button to add applications
[06:46] <xp-killer> lol
[06:46] <Xpert> im not a PC expert
[06:46] <xp-killer> lol
[06:46] <Xpert> no help ?
[06:47] <xp-killer> lol
[06:47] <Xpert> is just a nickname
[06:47] <Xpert> ?
[06:47] <Xpert> which codecs do i need to download ?
[06:47] <Xpert> i ve trying apt-get install vlc
[06:48] <Xpert> but atribute search is not working
[06:48] <Xpert> so i dont know the name of the package
[06:48] <dr_willis> vlc dosent really need codecs i thought
[06:48] <Xpert> i trying online but didnt find
[06:48] <dr_willis> !win32codecs
[06:48] <Xpert> what is the name of vlc ?
[06:48] <dr_willis> !info vlc
[06:48] <dr_willis> its vlc :)
[06:48] <dr_willis> its in the multiverse repos
[06:48] <dr_willis> !multiverse
[06:49] <Xpert> ah ok, i forgot that is case sensitive
[06:49] <Xpert> ty
[06:49] <Xpert> :D
[06:49] <Xpert> vlc run which kind of files ?
[06:50] <Xpert> !info vlc
[06:50] <cyberskoby> isn't that stuff in kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:50] <dr_willis> some are.. some are not
[06:50] <dr_willis> enable medibuntu repos.. install kubuntu-restricted-extras , and then install whatever else ya want from there.
[06:52] <Xpert> houston ive got a problem
[06:52] <Xpert> ive installed vlc
[06:52] <Xpert> the music apparently is running
[06:52] <Xpert> the sound is rightly configurated
[06:52] <Xpert> but no sound
[06:52] <cyberskoby> plug your speakers in
[06:52] <Xpert> cuz when i enter in the linux it makes sound
[06:52] <Xpert> its plugged
[06:52] <cyberskoby> kk =]
[06:53] <Xpert> grr
[06:53] <dr_willis> be sure vlc is set to use 'alsa' and not 'pulse audio' also in its settings... perhaps
[06:53] <Xpert> i m getting grazie
[06:53] <Xpert> ok
[06:53] <Xpert> what alsa means ?
[06:53] <dr_willis> also  ive seen some videos that use weird audio codecs tht dont have linux support.
[06:53] <dr_willis> !alsa
[06:53] <dr_willis> alsa = sound sybsystem
[06:54] <Xpert> alsa output setted nothing happened
[06:54] <Xpert> :s
[06:55] <pipegeek> howdy.... anyone in here know why qt4 apps would show up with empty menus, when run from a gnome session?  Running intrepid here.  Realize this might be the wrong room, but I thought I'd give it a shot.
[06:55] <pipegeek> menus are literally empty (in qt4 designer and qdvdauthor)
[06:57] <Xpert> vlc dont play sound
[06:57] <Xpert> mb a system config bad ?
[06:57] <Xpert> bad system confi*
[06:57] <Xpert> sorry for my english
[07:01] <Xpert> no idea ?
[07:07] <spekdro> :P
[07:07] <spekdro> ayudenme:)
[07:08] <spekdro> help me
[07:10] <spekdro> +_=
[07:10] <pipegeek> spekdro, diganos su problema :P
[07:10] <spekdro> pipegeek:
[07:10] <pipegeek> my spanish is just awful
[07:11] <pipegeek> :)  what up
[07:11] <spekdro> tengo mi kubuntu con un error de usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --configure, -a
[07:11] <spekdro> i have one error :P this error
[07:11] <pipegeek> hmm
[07:11] <pipegeek> :)
[07:11] <spekdro> i need repair this
[07:11] <spekdro> mi english is bad :P
[07:11] <spekdro> the error is dpkg :@
[07:12] <spekdro> u cand help me?
[07:12] <pipegeek> que es el mensaje, palabra por palabra?
[07:12] <spekdro> ?
[07:13] <spekdro> the actualisacion
[07:13] <spekdro> i dont can update
[07:13] <pipegeek> hehe, I give up.  Sorry, it's been too many years since I tried to speak
[07:13] <spekdro> xD
[07:13] <spekdro> loock
[07:13] <pipegeek> so, if a package was left in a broken state, or the package manager quit badly before it was done,
[07:13] <pipegeek> sometimes you end up with a package that's half-installed.
[07:14] <pipegeek> and synaptic/aptitude tells you this, and tells you to run dpkg --configure -a to finish the job.
[07:14] <spekdro> :O
[07:14] <pipegeek> so, what you need to do is to open a terminal, and type:
[07:14] <pipegeek> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:14] <pipegeek> and that should put things to rights :)
[07:14] <spekdro> wait hold on
[07:14] <pipegeek> (I hope)
[07:14] <pipegeek> okay
[07:14] <spekdro> :P leet me see
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> !usb
[07:16] <spekdro> wait
[07:17] <pipegeek> ?
[07:17] <spekdro> mmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:17] <spekdro> wait
[07:17] <spekdro> in synaptic ?
[07:18] <spekdro> don see aplicar:@
[07:18] <pipegeek> aha
[07:19] <pipegeek> no
[07:19] <pipegeek> Open a terminal.
[07:19] <spekdro> ok
[07:19] <pipegeek> now type:
[07:19] <pipegeek> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:19] <spekdro> xD
[07:19] <pipegeek> :)
[07:19] <spekdro> loock
[07:19] <pipegeek> ?
[07:20] <spekdro> ot@ubuntu:/home/spekdro# sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:20] <spekdro> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[07:20] <pipegeek> aha.  You need to close synaptic first
[07:20] <spekdro> a LOl
[07:20] <spekdro> loock
[07:20] <spekdro> root@ubuntu:/home/spekdro# sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:20] <spekdro> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 5053 package `kdeplasma-addons-libs4':
[07:20] <spekdro>  `Depends' field, reference to `libqtcore4': version contains `)'
[07:20] <pipegeek> exciting!
[07:21] <spekdro> that is is running?
[07:21] <pipegeek> hold on a moment
[07:22] <pipegeek> sudo dpkg --clear-avail # (blanks that file)
[07:22] <pipegeek> sudo apt-get update # repopulates it
[07:22] <pipegeek> spekdro,
[07:23] <spekdro> a lol
[07:23] <spekdro> wait leet me se
[07:24] <spekdro> this udo dpkg --clear-avail # (blanks that file)
[07:24] <spekdro> oki
[07:24] <pipegeek> (if it wasn't clear, you should type those two things into the terminal)
[07:24] <spekdro> it http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Sources
[07:24] <spekdro> Reading package lists... Done
[07:24] <spekdro> That it ?
[07:24] <pipegeek> cooool
[07:24] <spekdro> :D
[07:24] <pipegeek> think so
[07:25] <spekdro> jejeje i goin to the apt:P
[07:25] <pipegeek> :)
[07:25] <spekdro> hold on
[07:26] <spekdro> worrrrrrrrrrrkinggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[07:26] <spekdro> Thank you bro
[07:26] <spekdro> so much
[07:26] <pipegeek> no prob :)
[07:26] <spekdro> what is u name
[07:26] <pipegeek> patrick
[07:27] <spekdro> where are u from :D
[07:27] <spekdro> my name is pedro:P
[07:27] <jussi01> !ot
[07:27] <pipegeek> sorry, jussi01
[07:31] <tuxwulf> Is there doc somewhere that I can install kubuntu persistent on a USB drive?
[07:32] <jussi01> !usb | tuxwulf
[07:32] <lolipop> Help, i got this error : su: Authentication information cannot be recovered , what can i do now? i cant event to modify any file without sudo access
[07:32] <lolipop> i was removing ldap authentication
[07:44] <tuxwulf> jussi01: Thanks again!
[07:44] <jussi01> :)
[08:31] <kriox> hi ...
[08:34] <kriox> i've got  a little problem i looking for a icon that allow me to configure the splash wallpaper
[08:34] <kriox> and i search in the apparence menu' but i do not find
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:59] <makinita> buenas, un nuevo usuario de kubuntu os saluda
[08:59] <makinita> me lo habia instalado varias veces pero siempre sobre vmware en windows xp
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> !es | makinita
[09:00] <makinita> y he decidido utilizarlo como sistema operativo principal
[09:00] <makinita> sorry
[09:00] <makinita> bye
[09:22] <kriox> sorry but in yours 8.04 kubuntu version there is this Personal Setting - Apparence & Themes - Splash Screen because i do not finf
[09:23] <kriox> i have not kde 4
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> !splash
[09:31] <kriox> iubottu no way
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> kriox: does that fix you up?
[09:33] <kriox> i will try to customiza my kubuntu whit my logo
[09:44] <GreydMiyu> ActionParsnip, the faqmastah.
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> i just have black belt googlefu and 2nd dan ask.com-chi
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> hazaaaah
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> oooh new nvidia drivers in the updates
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> eeeeeeeeeeee
[09:46] <Tm_T> new?
[09:47] <MisterFlibble> You can install the Nvidia packaged from Jaunty into Intrepid easily
[09:47] <MisterFlibble> *packages
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> im not touching jaunty
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> intrepid works fine
[09:47] <MisterFlibble> well, I never said you install Jaunty, just the Nvidia driver package
[09:48] <MisterFlibble> The Nvidia driver in Intrepid has a bug in it that drives me nuts
[09:48] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: what version does it have now?
[09:49] <MisterFlibble> I'm half tempted to just remove all of Ubuntu's stuff and dkms, and use Nvidia's installer
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted nvidia-glx-177 177.82-0ubuntu0.1 [15.4MB]
[09:49] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: bah, old (:)
[09:49] <MisterFlibble> but I'm lazy and DKMS will rebuild the kernel modules automagically, so tat tat
[09:51] <GreydMiyu> Yeah, the jaunty one is surprisingly stable.
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: work on my 6250 nvidia
[09:51] <GreydMiyu> And, added bonus, added a few fps to WoW under wine.
[09:52] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: sure, but I like my 180
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: the heaviest game i play is frets on fire
[09:52] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: oh I don't do games much either, its about KDE4 fixes
[09:53] <GreydMiyu> Y'know, after getting Rock Band 2 and playing that for quite a while I went back to FoF and was horrified at how touchy it is.
[09:53] <Tm_T> GreydMiyu: touchy as in "not that forgiving" ?
[09:53] <Tm_T> IIRC it requires more accuracy than others usually
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> GreydMiyu: its nice with the mhl mod
[09:53] <GreydMiyu> Touchy as in not forgiving at all.
[09:54] <Tm_T> I wouldn't say it a bad thing
[09:56] <GreydMiyu> Well, when i swear I'm hitting the strum at the right time and it's failing me out, pft.  Too darn touchy.
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> GreydMiyu: i find it ok and the wii version i have to play behind the music, mind you i play a proper guitar as well so its all weird to me
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> GreydMiyu: its great when the woman is getting her face on
[09:58] <GreydMiyu> Yeah, I can imagine.
[09:58] <StR|Sangreal> hola!
[09:59] <StR|Sangreal> please, how should i install ooo3?
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-0-in-Ubuntu-8-10-96449.shtml
[10:03] <StR|Sangreal> and how can i bring flash to run?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> !flash | StR|Sangreal
[10:05] <MisterFlibble> Nvidia 177 has a well known bug when running on a Geforce 76xx on KDE
[10:05] <MisterFlibble> it will cause display corruption
[10:06] <GreydMiyu> Huh, that explains a lot.
[10:06] <MisterFlibble> the bug is fixed as of 180.11 (beta)
[10:06] <StR|Sangreal> ActionParsnip, is the repository and the commands valid for Kubuntu os as well?
[10:08] <StR|Sangreal> it claims i have flashplugin-nonfree installed, but it is not so
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: kubuntu is exatly the same as ubuntu but uses kde / kwin instead of gnome / metacity by default
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> StR|Sangreal: can you view flash based pages like: http://www.rathergood.com/blode2
[10:10] <StR|Sangreal> not really
[10:11] <MisterFlibble> The Flash player included in the AMD64 edition of Ubuntu is buggy and has to run in nspluginwrapper
[10:11] <MisterFlibble> I find that the 64-bit Flash from Adobe works well (it's alpha though)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> MisterFlibble: theres a native 64bit one at www.adobe.com
[10:12] <MisterFlibble> ActionParsnip: Yes, and the first thing you'll notice is how much smoother the video playback is, and the infamous grey box bug is gone
[10:14] <cuznt> http://www.rathergood.com/blode2 <~~~ WHAT is that
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> MisterFlibble: tell me about it, i also apt-built my firefox too and its much slicker
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: its some childish but funny anims
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: http://www.rathergood.com/zoology
[10:15] <cuznt> It's killing me OJ
[10:16] <cuznt> New Stuff     * Communist Christmas   * Mummy's Tummy     * My Pussy Is Haunted    * Goblin Shark  and   * Miss U
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> its all good, check jamie and his magic todger, its hilarious
[10:22] <pietro_> salve
[10:23] <OxDeadC0de> hmm, rc1 was tagged, how long till there's an "ubuntu" release?
[10:23] <pietro_> hi
[10:34] <Adola> Hello, I need some advice.
[10:38] <Adola> I found this cool site that proclaimed to have "The best Ubuntu Repo" and, it looks pretty cool.  However, it's only for Fiesty.  Do I really need a repo like that?
[10:39] <SlimeyPete> depends whether you need the software that's in it
[10:40] <Adola> Well, I love trying out new software, and this repo has alot of really cool stuff.
[10:40] <Adola> But, i'm running Intrepid.  Not fiesty.
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Adola: if you are running feisty then yes, otherwise no
[10:41] <Adola> Bah, does anyone know of a big reop list for Intrepid full of useless software :P
[10:41] <SlimeyPete> if you try to use a fiesty repo with a different version of ubuntu then you may run into serious dependency problems
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> Adola: technically the "best" repos are the official ones, as you know they are maintained by the ubuntu team themselves
[10:41] <Adola> ActionParsnip: Yes.  I know this.
[10:46] <wesley> Is it true to play HD video you need a core duo 2.0 ghz ? ( Because i play 720 p with a celeron )
[10:49] <wesley> People that wrote that probaly use Windows, but then again
[10:49] <MisterFlibble> Adola: You shouldn't run packages meant for earlier versions of Ubuntu if you can avoid it, and it's always best to get whatever you can from official sources
[10:50] <thomas> Thanks for all the help with the sound issues
[10:50] <rubens_> hola
[10:50] <MisterFlibble> I'm still perfectly happy with DVD, but call me when you can get a Blu Ray burner for $40
[10:50] <Adola> MisterFlibble: Yes, thank you.
[10:50] <thomas> it turns out that I needed to create an /etc/asound.conf file
[10:50] <MisterFlibble> :)
[10:51] <Adola> But, does anyone know of any really big repo's for Intrepid?  Like...With TOO much software ;P
[10:51] <mal> hello
[10:52] <MisterFlibble> Adola: There was a group a while back that made a program called Automatix to get a bunch of stuff that wasn't in the official Ubuntu repos, but it modified shared libraries and messed other software (and later upgrades) up pretty badly
[10:52] <thomas> I'd write a bug report, as I did when I figured out how to fix a usplash in 7.04, however the same problem was in 7.10... so I don't think it would do any good
[10:52] <Adola> Ok, also.  Using "Proposed" software updates a good idea?  Like, checking the box under software sources
[10:52] <Tm_T> Adola: it's ok if you like to use packages which are under testing, aka not tested yet
[10:53] <MisterFlibble> Adola: If there's a particular program you need and it's not in the repository, try getting a stand alone DEB package directly from the organization that makes the program
[10:53] <Adola> MisterFlibble: Yes, I came into ubuntu too late for Automatix.  it's now dead.  I would love to try it out though.
[10:53] <Tm_T> Adola: no you wouldn't
[10:53] <Tm_T> Adola: it's highway to broken systems
[10:53] <MisterFlibble> Adola: Proposed is usually safe but the packages haven't been thoroughly tested, you shouldn't keep it enabled as it can cause trouble
[10:53] <Adola> No, I don't really need just ONE program.  I just..Like having the options of easily upgrading.
[10:54] <Tm_T> Adola: also immediately unvoid a warranty
[10:54] <Tm_T> Adola: how adept or other package managers doesn't do it?
[10:54] <Adola> And also, SVN?  I've asked someoneabout a bug in Kopete.  And they said the latest SVN edition of Kopete will fix it..How do I get that?
[10:54] <MisterFlibble> Tm_T: I really hate Adept, I have Synaptic installed :)
[10:54] <thomas> so, just to let you guys know that if you see others with sound problems tell them to jabber me mahasamoot@gmail.com, and I'll be happy to help
[10:55] <Tm_T> Adola: you have to build it, it's bit more complicated (:
[10:55] <MisterFlibble> Adola: You shouldn't do that
[10:55] <Adola> So, don't use proposed?
[10:55] <Tm_T> Adola: it's up to you, proposed that is
[10:55] <MisterFlibble> Adola: If the update you need is in proposed, you can enable the repo, grab only that update, and turn off the repo again
[10:55] <Adola> Well, I have ummm, someone told me to get something to build the latest version of WINE through SVN.  I can't even remember the name of that program though.
[10:56] <MisterFlibble> Adola: Wine has it's own repository with the most current build
[10:57] <MisterFlibble> Adola: http://winehq.org/download/deb
[10:57] <Adola> I've got wine.
[10:57] <Adola> Is there a .deb of the svn version of Kopete?  Because, the bug has been bothering me for quite some time.
[10:59] <DarkSmoke> hey
[10:59] <DarkSmoke> i installed kvirc from their website because the kubuntu one is not up to date
[10:59] <DarkSmoke> on startup it gave me an error about DCOP server not running
[10:59] <DarkSmoke> and the kvirc systray icon is on the desktop instead of being in the systray
[11:00] <rdale> i'm trying to use usb-creator to make a 4 Gb kubuntu intrepid install, but it just hangs on startup (starting from the command line). do i need to initialize the usb stick first or something?
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> DarkSmoke: does a reboot help any?
[11:00] <Adola> http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php
[11:00] <Adola> Is this how to get the latest svn version?
[11:01] <DarkSmoke> ActionParsnip:  hmm didn't try to reboot
[11:01] <manare> Hi, kmail systray tell me that I have 8 unread email, but its wrong. How can i _reset_ him. restart is not working
[11:02] <mal> quit
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> manare: killall kmail then rerun it
[11:02] <DarkSmoke> i'll reboot brb
[11:02] <mal> Quit
[11:02] <manare> killing no work ;(
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> manare: ps -ef | grep kmail
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> manare: kill its pid
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> manare: kill it dead
[11:05] <DarkSmoke> ok
[11:05] <DarkSmoke> the reboot helped :D
[11:05] <manare> ActionParsnip: It'a couple of day that I have 8 unread mails. Lots of reboot, logins.
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> manare: strange, gimme a sec
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> manare: are allmails read?
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> manare: but showing 8 unread mails
[11:06] <manare> ActionParsnip:  I have 3 disconnect IMAP account. all have no unread mesg
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> manare: try right clicking the inbox and marking all as read
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> manare: that'll learn it
[11:07] <manare> ActionParsnip: done and I tried to recreate cache and so on
[11:07] <manare> ActionParsnip: but still 8 email
[11:09] <manare> ActionParsnip: I dont want recreate accounts
[11:11] <Adola> Someone told me KDE 4.1 is WORSE than 4.2....Is it honestly?
[11:11] <Adola> Beacuse, RC 1 for 4.2 is coming out in a few days.
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> Adola: its all individual
[11:11] <Adola> ActionParsnip: Could you please elaborate?
[11:11] <MisterFlibble> Adola: KDE 4.2 is a bit temperamental at times
[11:12] <MisterFlibble> it is useable though
[11:12] <Tm_T> MisterFlibble: no problems with it here
[11:12] <Tm_T> though, I'm already on 4.3 wagon
[11:12] <MisterFlibble> I have things segfault sometimes
[11:12] <Tm_T> that's not because of KDE version I bet
[11:12] <MisterFlibble> and hopefully Jaunty will support my webcam again
[11:13] <Tm_T> MisterFlibble: also, if you can reproduce, please report
[11:13] <Adola> Ok.
[11:13] <Adola> Well, how do I get it?
[11:13] <Adola> What repo do I add?
[11:13] <Adola> Or...Whatever?
[11:13] <Tm_T> Adola: see kubuntu.org
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> Adola: i thought kde4.2 was garbage but dont mind 4.1, i personally use fluxbox with kde apps, f you ask the next guy his/heropinion may be wildly different or near identical
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> Adola: there is no yes / no answer, its all an opinion which is neither right nor wrong
[11:14] <Adola> Thank you.
[11:14] <MisterFlibble> I hate minimalism, KDE is better than GNOME in useability and resource use, but tends to be somewhat less stable
[11:14]  * Tm_T is wondering when first huge borkages comes to 4.3
[11:15] <Tm_T> MisterFlibble: it's all stable here
[11:15] <MisterFlibble> in my experience
[11:15] <Tm_T> aye
[11:15] <wesley> Tm_T yeah 4.3 is not broken yet ( See the yet )
[11:15] <Tm_T> wesley: I know, yet
[11:16] <Tm_T> as I'm using that branch (:
[11:16] <wesley> had it with 4.1 when i went to 4.2
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> i love minimal, gets the job done without bows and bells cluttering the place up
[11:16] <wesley> some weeks later the trunk started to break
[11:16] <Adola> I like clutter.
[11:16] <Tm_T> wesley: didn't happen to me
[11:16] <wesley> but its true that svn is now 4.3
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Adola: then you want kde with compiz and avant window manager
[11:17] <mooperd> Grrrrr, kde 4 is slow and clunky
[11:17] <Adola> ActionParsnip: I've got them all.
[11:17] <mooperd> can I make it faster, it is rather frustrating
[11:17] <Adola> Except Avant.  I use emerald.  I've never even really looked at avant
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> Adola: god help you
[11:17] <wesley> kde4.2 is qiute good
[11:18] <Adola> What's wrong with that stuff?  My desktop looks pretty :)
[11:18] <wesley> running the rc already
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Adola: i dont like clutter,i dont even have wallpaper
[11:18] <Adola> o.O
[11:18] <Adola> Wow.
[11:18] <Adola> I've cluttred myself with widgets.
[11:18] <wesley> only still bugs with regression and like, but overall it looks good
[11:18] <Adola> Or, plasma's.
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> Adola: not disimilar: http://apcmag.com/system/files/images/fluxbox.jpg
[11:19] <mooperd> wesley, I think I upgraded. I followed the instructions at the top of the page but it still says 4.1 on the login bit
[11:19] <Adola> Is this your desktop?
[11:19] <Adola> (I'm on dial-up...Things take a while to laod)
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> Adola: although my slit is 100% not 66%
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> Adola: pretty much
[11:20] <wesley> mooprd did you use the ppa ?
[11:20] <Adola> ActionParsnip: I'm sorry...that's ugly O.o
[11:20] <mooperd> wesley: the ppa?
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> Adola: my systems can all run compiz with full bells and whistles, i just hate all that rubbish
[11:20] <wesley> ppa is beta 2 from kde4.2 and kde-nigthly is rc
[11:20] <mooperd> yes, I think ppa
[11:20] <MisterFlibble> I have most of the internet programs that come with KDE uninstalled, Opera can do the work of half a dozen of them :P
[11:20] <Adola> Well, I suppose I'm the perfect KDE user.
[11:21] <Adola> I love clutter.  And shiney.
[11:21] <mooperd> but Im not surte if I have it installed correctly
[11:21] <wesley> must say compiz is lesss buggy then kwin composting
[11:21] <mooperd> how do I use the RC?
[11:21] <Adola> Kwin sucks.
[11:21] <Adola> HARD.
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> MisterFlibble: opera is awesome but keep firefox incase your sites dont support it
[11:21] <manare> is bluetooth support back in 4.2?
[11:21] <Adola> Compiz is faster, betterlooking, and overall better.
[11:21] <MisterFlibble> wesley: Compiz slows down other OpenGL apps, bad
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Adola: slooooow compiz
[11:21] <Adola> Yeah, then, you should REALLY have IE backed up too.
[11:21] <MisterFlibble> I always left it off when I used GNOME
[11:21] <wesley> But using compiz with kde4 doesnt work good
[11:22] <Adola> ActionParsnip: I think compiz is blazing fast.  It's kwin that haults.
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> !info compiz-core
[11:22] <MisterFlibble> I just use Kwin and deal with it
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> !info fluxbox
[11:22] <MisterFlibble> Sabayon was using Compiz with KDE 4
[11:22] <MisterFlibble> that was a disaster
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> fluxbox is a whole host of apps for just 4mb and is light as a feather
[11:23] <wesley> Yeah thats because it will not work well
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> horses for courses
[11:23] <wesley> Kwin got composting in it, and running compiz is crap on kde4
[11:24] <Adola> Yes, well.  I must be off to school.  Thank you guys for your help.  I'll upgrade to 4.2 if it's not TRUELY a disaster.
[11:24] <wesley> but kwin improved in kde4.2, maby its because the intel bugs that it buggy
[11:24] <Adola> Bye!
[11:24] <wesley> 4.2 is better then 4.1
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Adola: if you want something more pretty: http://www.imgx.org/pthumbs/large/2489/exoduz_fluxbox.jpg
[11:25] <webaska> hello.. can anyone help me a little? you know there is such option in notebooks with vista...to press 11 so it can restore vista... i tried to install opensuse but it didnt worked well with notebook..so i messed up now..
[11:25] <MisterFlibble> GNOME is turning into more of a trainwreck every release
[11:25] <wesley> ActionParsnip you know of the intel bugs ?
[11:25] <MisterFlibble> Ubuntu can only cover up so much of it
[11:26] <wesley> Gnome is just releasing the same crap every 6 months, they just play a new number after it
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> wesley: in which hardware, intel make a huge range of hardware
[11:26] <wesley> intel gma 965
[11:26] <mooperd> Hi, how do I check which version on kde Im using?
[11:26] <MisterFlibble> wesley: I know, it hasn't really improved in any way useful to me in at least 5 years
[11:26] <MisterFlibble> :P
[11:27] <MisterFlibble> I wonder what they've actually done to it, if anything
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> wesley: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2754506
[11:27] <wesley> i am getting fps fron only aroun 110 , that isnt normall is it ?
[11:28] <MisterFlibble> crap
[11:28] <MisterFlibble> netsplit
[11:28] <GreydMiyu> Only problem I have with 4.2 are the notifications.
[11:28] <froggerBob> Hi, I got this problem where every TCP connection just stalls until timing out every few minutes. it's becoming impossible to download large files.
[11:28] <GreydMiyu> And the inability to have them just go away.
[11:29] <andrew_> vista rules
[11:29] <GreydMiyu> -.-
[11:30] <MisterFlibble> yay for Netsplits
[11:31] <wesley> great kde is marking most of my bugs dulicate
[11:32] <manare> Is bluetooth support back in 4.2?
[11:32] <GreydMiyu> Well, are they?
[11:34] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094 ActionParship this bug i meant
[11:34] <JohnFlux> wesley: and is it a duplicate?
[11:35] <Kal-El> ciao
[11:36] <Kal-El> !it
[11:36] <GreydMiyu> Hm, bonus points to someone who can tell me why konversation insists on opening links in opera instead of firefox.  :/
[11:37] <JohnFlux> GreydMiyu: There's a 'default applications' in system settings
[11:37] <JohnFlux> GreydMiyu: what is that set to?
[11:37] <hatoyu> GreydMiyu: Settings > configure >general
[11:37] <wesley> needed to pay 26 euro tax for my intel motherboard
[11:38] <froggerBob> Hi, I got this problem where every few minutes all TCP connections just drop in unison. what might be the problem?
[11:38] <hatoyu> GreydMiyu: opera '%u'
[11:38] <GreydMiyu> "in application based on its url"
[11:39] <MisterFlibble> the best way to avoid paying taxes on that stuff here is to buy it online from an out of state company, and don't tell the state you live in that you bought it :)
[11:40] <jussi01> MisterFlibble: -offtopic please ;)
[11:41] <MisterFlibble> sorry
[11:50] <GreydMiyu> Since it wasn't either of those, any other suggestions/
[12:03] <chakie_work> hm, i installed a 8.10 on a laptop i have. the cd also had an included cd-only version for testing and there x.org worked fine with the native resolution and looked nice. after installing i have only garbled graphics and a console login
[12:05] <webaska> how to delete all partitions without installing kubuntu ? is that possible?
[12:10] <Aeon5717> hello guys, I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, and now i have kde4!!! can i somehow install kde3.5.10 on kubuntu8.10? My computer isn't strong enough to support kde4
[12:10] <tue> hey, installed kde 4.2 beta 2 on intrepid, but now i cannot use msn in kopete (when i click add account there is no option for msn). Any ideas? is msn plugin being provided by another package?
[12:10] <Aeon5717> i cannot find kde3 in repo
[12:11] <manare> no msn plugin in4.2 beta
[12:11] <Tm_T> Aeon5717: umm, KDE4 shouldn't be any heavier than KDE3
[12:11] <Tm_T> Aeon5717: and no, there's no KDE3 fro 8.10
[12:11] <GreydMiyu> Aeon5717: KDE3 was removed in 8.10.
[12:12] <Aeon5717> Tm_T: i have a problem with video card (this is a laptop) intel i915
[12:12] <Aeon5717> when i play the movie now in kaffeine, it freezes every time a subtitle shows
[12:13] <Aeon5717> it is very annoying
[12:13] <tue> manare: hmm. says so on the announcements page: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2 . But well, its no biggie :-) .
[12:13] <Aeon5717> that did not happen in kde3
[12:13] <Tm_T> Aeon5717: have you turned off compositioning?
[12:13] <Aeon5717> any ideas?
[12:14] <Aeon5717> Tm_T: sorry, i do not know what that is. i never used kde4 before
[12:15] <Aeon5717> i disabled desktop effects
[12:15] <Tm_T> good
[12:15] <Tm_T> helped?
[12:15] <Aeon5717> let me check...
[12:16] <Aeon5717> no :(
[12:17] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[12:17] <mooperd> Hello, how do I upgrade to the rc version of kde4?
[12:17] <sehven> why does my resolution change back everytime i reboot?
[12:17] <Aeon5717> where do I choose a video driver that X uses?
[12:17] <Tm_T> mooperd: see kubuntu.org
[12:18] <Aeon5717> perhaps it is using i810 instead of intel
[12:18] <mooperd> Tm_T:  there is info about upgraging to the beta (which I have allready done
[12:19] <Tm_T> mooperd: then rc packages aren't available yet
[12:19] <mooperd> ) but I would like to get in on testin gthe nightly rebuilds
[12:19] <Tm_T> !neon | mooperd
[12:19] <Tm_T> mooperd: FYI: those packages are different
[12:20] <mooperd> neon? is this the fance pantst thing?
[12:21] <marek_> hi, what is the best app for recording video from tv card?
[12:21] <makinita> buenas
[12:22] <makinita> soy nuevo en esto de kubuntu y tengo un problemilla con el xine
[12:22] <makinita> ejecuto el xine y veo pelis sin problemas, audio y video ok
[12:22] <Aeon5717> makinita: please use englosh in this channel
[12:23] <Aeon5717> *english
[12:23] <makinita> pero cuando cierro el xine y abro el amarok para oir mp3, no se oyen y tengo que volver a abrir el xine por que me deja el sonido en mute
[12:23] <makinita> sorry
[12:23] <Aeon5717> :)
[12:23] <Aeon5717> np
[12:23] <Tm_T> !br | mooperd
[12:23] <tue> i have another question. I have a laptop (t60 thinkpad) with an ati x1300 graphics card. I also have an external monitor which has a higher resolution than the laptop screen. What i want is, to be able to plugin in the monitor, restart x, and have only the monitor displaying my desktop at the correct resolution. I would like to accomplish this with the fglrx driver. (When i use the vanilla, eg. dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, xorg.conf this is how
[12:23] <tue> it works). If anyone has such a setup, which is working, i would very much like their xorg.conf in the pastebin or whatever.
[12:23] <Tm_T> baaah
[12:23] <sehven> why does my resolution change back everytime i reboot?
[12:23] <makinita> i am going to find spanish help, thanks
[12:23] <Aeon5717> makinita: ok
[12:24] <makinita> bye
[12:24] <mooperd> Tm_T:mi aerodeslizador está lleno de anguilas
[12:25] <Tm_T> heh
[12:25] <Tm_T> mooperd: my mistake, ignore
[12:26] <mooperd> Tm_T:Si me dijo que tenía un cuerpo bonito, se le mantenga en contra de mí?
[12:26] <mooperd> no probs :)
[12:27] <geny> i every body
[12:28] <geny> i'm tring to play midi with the sound card guillemot maxi sound on ubunto 8.04
[12:29] <geny> it dosn't work...
[12:29] <geny> help me please
[12:30] <chakie_work> seems a nvidia quadro card doesn't work too well in linux
[12:30] <chakie_work> nor does kubuntu manage to get my network card working on this thinkpad t61
[12:31] <chakie_work> this seems to be a looong day... :(
[12:37] <Malic> !backup
[12:38] <chakie_work> didn't know that configuring the network on linux is still a manual task...
[12:39] <chakie_work> i even see an e1000e network driver loaded but nothing uses it
[12:39] <chakie_work> and i have manually added the "alias eth0 e1000e" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[12:39] <chakie_work> i have no idea what else to do...
[12:41] <matt_d> hey
[12:41] <matt_d> can i mount an iso into a dvd
[12:41] <matt_d> if its the cd iso of kubuntu?
[12:41] <matt_d> will it work in a dvd?
[12:41] <tue> chakie_work: have you tried it on a livedisk? i used to have all sorts of funky networking issues because of a broken installation. never figured it out, but a reinstall worked.
[12:42] <chakie_work> tue: no network there either
[12:42] <mooperd> whats the kubuntu dev channel
[12:42] <chakie_work> i booted into the live version by mistake when installing. the graphics worked perfectly there too
[12:43] <chakie_work> but without a network i can't get any gfx drivers installed
[12:43] <chakie_work> i remember having problems like this in 1994, but didn't expect to see them 2009
[12:44] <matt_d> anyone help me out?
[12:44] <Malic> what do you think about konserve?
[12:46] <tue> chakie_work: strange... im sorry i dont think i can help you :-( .  it seems like the e1000e has some serious issues.
[12:46] <chakie_work> tue: yeah
[12:46] <chakie_work> i see that NetworkManager disables the eth0 device because of "reason: 2"
[12:47] <chakie_work> very informative
[12:47] <chakie_work> then i see ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[12:52] <chakie_work> argh, i've already wasted half a day on this. network-manager seems to be some POS
[12:53] <mooperd> Im using the 4.2 beta and have a few problems with it. the taskbar(If it is called that in linux land) keeps disappearing and the background does the same till I mouseover it. Im on Version 4.1.85 (KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.2 Beta2)) and qt is at 4.4.3
[12:54] <chakie_work> there isn't even any link light on the switch, so kubuntu seems to have totally dropped the ball on bringing up the network device
[12:55] <mooperd> chakie_work: er, I think you will find that link lights come up even if you dont have ram in the machine
[12:57] <CrypTom> hi all, I've got a strange effect on my kubuntu server (8.10), yesterday I've added about a thousand pupil accounts, some of them did not get the right primary group (but most of them are ok!). Now I'm no longer able to add a user to a group
[12:57] <sdogi> anyone fluent in java?
[12:57] <CrypTom> usermod -g group user           always tells me: unknown group blabla
[12:57] <sdogi> never mind :)
[12:58] <CrypTom> useradd -m -g somegroup user      worked well yesterday, but today reports the same thing...
[12:58] <tue> chakie_work: this seems relevant. perhaps the links in the second post can be of help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=927943 . it appears to have been blacklisted for some time because it could corrupt hardware.
[12:59] <tue> chakie_work: damn i didnt even think that was possible....
[12:59] <bryan_> hello all
[13:00] <Aeon5717> i have a problem with a script. it does not execute on doubleclick, and it does when i run it in console with ./script.sh any ideas?
[13:00] <Aeon5717> hello bryan_
[13:00] <tue> mooperd: i also had a painting issue or two with beta 2. i suggest you might hold out untill rc1 which is due for the 13'th, since the problem may allready be solved.
[13:01] <bryan_> so, i finally made the jump to install kubuntu. i really wanted to do a dual boot, something went wrong and now my xp install is gone.
[13:01] <Aeon5717> bryan_: do you still have it on your harddrive?
[13:01] <tue> bryan: that sounds bad. do you know if the xp partition itself is gone?
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> !grub | bryan_
[13:02] <bryan_> tue: it appears so. the hard drive space has the full hard drive
[13:02] <bryan_> i had set it to do 20 gb or so and now it has the full hard drive
[13:03] <tue> bryan_: okay. this is very bad news. if linux is taking up all your hd space xp is most likely gone for good.
[13:03] <bryan_> tue: yes, i am quite aware of that. but all is good. i backed up what i wanted. and am ready to dive in to the open source scene.
[13:03] <tue> bryan_: when installing kubuntu, there should have been an option (i think after selecting the timezone) about partitioning the harddrive. you might have selected to use the full hard drive there....
[13:04] <chakie_work> tue: it was backlisted, yes, but i enabled it as the first thing i did
[13:05] <bryan_> tue: i had selected to keep the windows xp partition, and make the new one 20gb. I remember the option, but during install an error occurred, and i contiuned on, resulting in the wipe
[13:05] <tue> bryan_: phew :-) . I blew my windows partition the first time i tried to use linux back in the redhat 6.1 days and was quite pissed :-) . If you want to install windows, i think its possible to use kparted or some other application to resize your linux partition and then install windows, but usually its better to install windows before linux because windows will overwrite the bootloader.
[13:06] <bryan_> tue: yea... i was prepared for anything. it worked well when i did it at work, but not so much on the machine i really wanted it to work on... hopefully, wine is developed enough for the programs i need to run.
[13:07] <chakie_work> or no, the e1000e or e1000 drivers were not blacklisted at all, it was an eepro100 driver that was blacklisted
[13:07] <chakie_work> i see the darn device with "lspci"
[13:08] <tue> bryan_: dont know, i havent used wine in the last couple of years. i keep an xp partition :-) . man i would be pissed if the installer overwrote it.
[13:09] <bryan_> tue: yea but what can i do? being pissed wont bring it back.
[13:10] <sehven> guys i have a prob
[13:10] <tue> bryan_: since i assume you just did a reinstall, i would properly install xp anew overwriting everything, and then try to install linux again and hope it didnt mess up this time.
[13:10] <sehven> cant seem to get the cube working
[13:11] <bryan_> tue: ok.
[13:18] <eilema> can someone help me with mounting a ntfs drive on ubuntu
[13:21] <bryan_> does linux need a virus scanner?
[13:22] <stdin> bryan_: short answer: no
[13:23] <stdin> long answer: only if you plan to serve files to windows clients and want to protect them from potential viruses
[13:23] <bryan_> stdin: i didnt think so. but i did a search and some results turned up, so i wanted to be sure, before i got into a problem.
[13:24] <bryan_> stdin: and i dont plan to server any files. not from this machine. :)
[13:24] <eilema> can someone help me with an ubuntu problem??? hopefully one on one?
[13:24] <bryan_> eilema: what is your problem?
[13:24] <wesley__> I need some help, i am trying to install kubuntu on my intel atom 330 machine ( totaly new, unformat ect )
[13:24] <bryan_> wesley: what is your problem?
[13:25] <eilema> ok bryan , when i try to open my second seagate harddrive on ubuntu it gives me "You are not privileged to mount the volume"
[13:25] <eilema> it is in ntfs
[13:25] <bryan_> eilema: oh, i am not sure about ntfs installs. i know its hard to mount those.
[13:25] <wesley__> I get kernel panic when starting the 64 bit live cd from usb
[13:25] <bryan_> eilma: because of the security
[13:25] <chakie_work> hm, eth0 was totally disabled in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:26] <chakie_work> adding it as "auto dhcp" at least makes the damn thing try to get an address for it
[13:26] <eilema> ive read on a bunch of forums how to do it, i just dont totally understand what their talking about
[13:26] <chakie_work> but still no link
[13:26] <eilema> lie entering codes in the terminal etc........
[13:27] <torkiano> hello all, anyone tried KCall? http://www.basyskom.de/index.pl/kcall
[13:27] <wesley__> I am installing a mini itx, but by starting the live cd i got all errors, and stuff, it was the amd64 live usb
[13:27] <eilema> i dont want to write to the drive just watch and listen to whats on it
[13:28] <bryan_> eilema: send me the sources you are using
[13:28] <wesley__> Can it be that hyper threading is a problem in linux ?
[13:28] <wesley__> the intel atom 330 supports hyper threading
[13:29] <bryan_> wesley: i would have no idea, can you run the check to see if the download has all the files.
[13:29] <wesley__> it worked on my notebook the live usb, but i going try 32 bit and jaunty
[13:30] <MisterFlibble> wesley__:Hyperthreading only helped the Pentium 4 because it wasted so many cycles anyway, it will do little or nothing for Core 2/Atom/i7
[13:30] <wesley__> I have disabled it but, what will it do when i enable it
[13:31] <MisterFlibble> probably a little bit improve or a little bit hurt depending on the workload
[13:31] <MisterFlibble> I wouldn't bother with it
[13:32] <wesley__> improvements are always welcome
[13:32] <MisterFlibble> the execution pipeline on Intel/AMD's modern CPUs are nowhere near as insanely long as the Pentium 4's
[13:32] <wesley__> Oh jaunty live cd loads XD
[13:32] <MisterFlibble> and they have more cache on the die
[13:32] <wesley__> i have 2x 512 chache
[13:32] <wesley__> its a mini itx pc
[13:33] <MisterFlibble> HT would probably help a server a little
[13:33] <MisterFlibble> it would probably do nothing or hurt desktop performance
[13:33] <wesley__> Seems the jaunty live cd works, but 8.10 not
[13:34] <MisterFlibble> I don't use Ubuntu alphas, nuh uh
[13:34] <MisterFlibble> bad news
[13:34] <wesley__> I wanted to run stable, but i bet that the hardware is not supported in 8.10, because atom is new
[13:34] <MisterFlibble> :P
[13:34] <wesley__> My notebook runs 8.10, but thats old hardware, atom 330 is kind of new
[13:34] <MisterFlibble> Intel only has a skeleton crew writing drivers for Linux
[13:35] <MisterFlibble> sometimes their new stuff isn't supported for a year or more
[13:35] <wesley__> better then nothing
[13:35] <MisterFlibble> AMD is better with Linux
[13:35] <MisterFlibble> usually they submit drivers before the hardware is even out
[13:36] <wesley__> but the Dont like AMD, they suck
[13:37] <wesley__> AMD doesnt have intel intergrated vga
[13:46] <wesley__> Will 8.04.2 get updated drivers and stuff ?
[13:51] <wesley__> Guys ?
[13:52] <Pici> wesley__: 8.04.2 will just include things that have been pushed out in regular security updates. It is not a new release.
[13:52] <wesley__> Now, then i go unstable, nothing bad having the unstable already if its works
[13:54] <wesley__> I mean if 8.10 doesnt work then wil 8.04 also not, maby different distro but i like them not
[13:54] <SlimeyPete> 8.04 might work
[13:54] <SlimeyPete> sometimes newer drivers introduce new bugs so using older ones can fix problems
[13:55] <wesley__> why would 8.04 work and 8.10 not? and 8.04 doesnt have updated kde
[13:55] <robin0800> wesley__: what about 9.04 already out as alpha 2
[13:55] <wesley__> robin0800 thats what i installing now, and the live cd booted, desktop effects works, sound to, everthing works
[13:57] <wesley__> okay here something i wanna know, i have 2 gb memory how much swap do i need then
[13:57] <Pici> wesley__: Are you planning to hibernate the computer?
[13:57] <Pici> wesley__: i.e: suspend to disk?
[13:57] <wesley__> Uh not really, but it can be that i want to use it sometime
[13:58] <Pici> wesley__: Well, you'll need at least as much swap as ram if you are.  1.5 times is a safe bet.
[13:58] <sehven> just got my 8.10 running hours ago, cant seem to make desktop cube work
[13:58] <sehven> help anyone?
[13:58] <wesley__> most time i just shutdown, i almost never hibernate, but i want everthing to work, and space on harddrive is more then enough
[13:58] <wesley__> so 4000 mb swap ?
[13:59] <wesley__> or or say 2500 ?
[14:00] <wesley__> how much should i need for root, 15000 should be enough ?
[14:00] <Pici> wesley__: 2500 is good, 10gb is fine for root.
[14:01] <sehven> help with desktop cube pls
[14:01] <Pici> sehven: Can you elaborate?
[14:01] <wesley__> so with 10 i would have enough space ?
[14:01] <Pici> wesley__: Yes.
[14:02] <wesley__> going make jfs systema
[14:02] <wesley__> jfs file systems from it
[14:02] <sehven> Pici, i want to use the desktop cube, but cant seem to get it to work
[14:02] <wesley__> jfs means more gb , ext3 takes big amount of gb away
[14:02] <sehven> already downloaded compiz stuffs
[14:03] <Pici> wesley__: You aren't going to find a lot of support if you have problems with your JFS install though, ext3 is the supported fs type for installations.
[14:03] <Pici> sehven: Do you get an error when you try to enable it?
[14:03] <wesley__> never had problems before with jfs
[14:04] <sehven> nope
[14:04] <aleite>  Hello guys!
[14:04] <sehven> it just wont do the cube thing
[14:04] <wesley__> you cant resize it, but thats it, jfs seems to be faster and got more gb
[14:04] <aleite>  I compiled KDE from trunk. Does anyone know how to make kdm my default display manager?
[14:05] <Pici> sehven: Then #compiz-fusion should be able to help you setup the proper settings to enable the cube
[14:05] <Pici> aleite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[14:05] <sehven> oki Pici thx ^^
[14:06] <aleite> Pici: I compiled it myself. I tried it but it says kdm is not installed
[14:07] <sehven> oppps T_T accidentaly removed panel
[14:07] <sehven> how do i restore it?
[14:07] <wesley__> pici far i know is xfs not supported as root in ubuntu, but jfs is no problem
[14:08] <wesley__> werent they going to add ext4 to 9.04 ?
[14:09] <Pici> wesley__: I mean not supported as in you won't find many people with similar installs to help you with it. Whether the installer itself will install on jfs, I'm not sure.  And yes, ext4 support is in 9.04.
[14:09] <Tex-Twil>  Hello, how can I disable the gdm login and use only a console login ?
[14:09] <Tex-Twil> kdm sorry
[14:09] <wesley__> No ext4 in 9.04 alpha yet
[14:10] <wesley__> jfs will install, i use it on my notebook to, if you compare jfs to ext3 then jfs is cleary better
[14:10] <wesley__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[14:11] <tiveven> Hello, what is what somebody can tell me how to desinstaller xubuntu
[14:13] <eraca> merhaba arkadaşlar
[14:13] <wesley__> when ext4 is out can you convert ext3 to ext4 then ?
[14:13] <Tm_T> yes
[14:13] <Pici> tiveven: Just install something else over it/reclaim the space with your other OS.
[14:14] <eraca> hi
[14:15] <leif> hey is konquer a good browser and wich back end do it use
[14:16] <wesley__> yes
[14:16] <leif> is it a webkit or
[14:17] <stdin> konqueror can use webkit or khtml
[14:17] <tiveven> Pici: I do not want to ecraser because I want to gain(win) some memory of storage
[14:17] <leif> ok
[14:18] <torkiano> leif: I'm using webkit with konqueror and seems great
[14:19] <torkiano> There is a PPA with webkitkde here:  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-miguel-dias/ubuntu intrepid main
[14:20] <wesley__> stdin do you know what i best can use jfs or ext3 or doesnt that mather? i know you cant shrink jfs but jfs is faster and more gb
[14:21] <mooperd> Hello, I have the beta version of kde 4.2 running and Im getting all this strangeness on the task bar http://www.moonet.co.uk/kde4.2.eurgh.png. I have tried both the open source and nvidia drivers and get the same effect. Its not really harming usability but it is darned ugly.
[14:22] <wesley__> hmm that is nvidia related, sure of it, i dont have that on my intel vga
[14:22] <kalel> ciao a tutti
[14:23] <kalel> non riesco a condividere l'hard disk con virtualbox sapete aiutarmi?
[14:23] <Tm_T> !it | kalel
[14:23] <mooperd> wesley__: I have tried both drivers and get exactly the same effect
[14:24] <stdin> wesley__: depends what you want to use it for. generally ext3 is fine
[14:24] <wesley__> stdin just downloading, but on internet there are bechmarks that say that ext3 is slow and like
[14:26] <stdin> wesley__: ext3 is fine, the bottleneck is the hardware (HDD)
[14:27] <rayack> yee
[14:28] <wesley__> but why does ext3 take more space then say jfs ? I know ext3 is default and best supported under linux, and even Windows
[14:28] <leif> is there a way to see wich engine i run in konquer
[14:29] <sehven> wats shortcut for console?
[14:29] <sehven> i lost my desktop
[14:29] <stdin> leif: the one with kubuntu is khtml
[14:30] <sehven> and panel
[14:30] <sehven> T_T
[14:30] <stdin> sehven: Ctrl-Alt-F# where # is 1 - 6
[14:30] <stdin> or Alt-F# from another console
[14:30] <leif> ok so is it posible to change for webkit
[14:31] <stdin> wesley__: it doesn't take that much space, and a journal is a good thing
[14:31] <Tm_T> leif: you need package called webkitkde
[14:31] <wesley__> stdin can i convert ext3 later to ext4? because on the moment i can not choose ext4
[14:31] <leif> ahh that one i have thanx
[14:31] <Tm_T> wesley__: can
[14:31] <leif> thanx Tm_T
[14:32] <wesley__> Tm_T how would that go? will there be a tool for ?
[14:32] <Tm_T> wesley__: few commands and changing mount parameters and done, I believe
[14:32] <Tm_T> wesley__: nothing you should worry until it's time
[14:33] <wesley__> isnt that hard? but ubuntu 9.04 has already ext4, can gparted convert orso ?
[14:33] <Tm_T> wesley__: no, nothing hard I believe
[14:33] <stdin> "The ext3 filesystem is forward compatible with ext4, making it possible to mount an ext3 filesystem as ext4 and use it as such." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Backward_compatibility
[14:34] <kalel> ragazzi scusate se sono italiano
[14:34] <MisterFlibble> wesley__: According to Eric Sandeen, you can mount an ext3 volume as ext4, but you have to choose whether or not to enable extents, which will destroy backwards compatibility with ext3 (but they're ext4's biggest feature)
[14:34] <kalel> sapete aiutarmi con le cartelle condivise di virtualbox?
[14:34] <MisterFlibble> if I understood him right
[14:34] <Tm_T> !it | kalel
[14:35] <kalel> command virtualbox folder condivise
[14:36] <wesley__> But i gues that converting would be hard ? or mounting? because you will need to edit that file
[14:36] <MisterFlibble> wesley__: XFS has been in the kernel for quite some time, its what I use, it had some problems with Linux 2.4 being stupid, but it has always worked well for me in recent 2.6 kernels
[14:37] <stdin> wesley__: no harder than converting ext2 to ext3
[14:37] <MisterFlibble> wesley__: No, it's just an option as part of the command to mount it
[14:37] <wesley__> XFS and JFS seems to be better, but overall ext3 got more features, so that where i think that maby its better to pick ext3, so i can shrink
[14:37] <MisterFlibble> if you think you may want to go back to ext3 later, don't enable extents
[14:37] <MisterFlibble> JFS is basically abandoned
[14:37] <wesley__> oh
[14:38] <wesley__> lol i am using it on my notebook
[14:38] <MisterFlibble> and it is incompatible with SELinux (Ubuntu uses AppArmor though)
[14:38] <MisterFlibble> Thats why you can't use JFS in Fedora or Red Hat
[14:39] <wesley__> ow, but those bechmarks are confusing most times
[14:39] <sehven> pheww
[14:39] <sehven> that was a close one
[14:39] <MisterFlibble> Reiser and JFS are basically abandoned, ext3 is a freaking dinosaur, ext2 is worse
[14:39] <MisterFlibble> XFS is the only decent filesystem the kernel supports
[14:39] <MisterFlibble> Ext4 will be up there with XFS though
[14:39] <sehven> my balls almost ran off again losing panel ^_^
[14:39] <wesley__> But you cant use it as root, but i see ext3 as the ntfs from Linux
[14:40] <MisterFlibble> and XFS has a defragmenter, (Ext4 will eventually)
[14:40] <MisterFlibble> wesley__: Easy, make a /boot partition as ext3
[14:40] <MisterFlibble> it only has to be maybe 300 megs or so
[14:40] <wesley__> can xfs be shrinks ?
[14:40] <MisterFlibble> or you can use LILO
[14:41] <MisterFlibble> LILO can boot XFS, GRUB is just fairly stupid
[14:41] <wesley__> i have 1 tb
[14:41] <MisterFlibble> no, XFS can't be shrunk
[14:41] <MisterFlibble> you can grow it, but not shrink (xfs_growfs)
[14:42] <wesley__> xfs is faster then ext3?
[14:42] <MisterFlibble> wesley__: It wastes less space and it blows ext3 away on most disk operations
[14:42] <MisterFlibble> the downside is GRUB is stupid, and XFS can't be shrunk
[14:43] <wesley__> JFS can be used as root
[14:43] <MisterFlibble> and you never have to do a fsck because the system does one as it mounts the filesystem
[14:43] <MisterFlibble> it's so quick you don't really even notice
[14:44] <MisterFlibble> yeah, but IBM essentially has 1 guy working on XFS, in his spare time
[14:44] <MisterFlibble> so you tell me where it's going :P
[14:44] <MisterFlibble> I mean, JFS
[14:44] <MisterFlibble> :P
[14:45] <MisterFlibble> JFS should not be used, I'm surprised it's still an option
[14:45] <wesley__> getting crazy XD, so what shoul by partition table be ?
[14:46] <MisterFlibble> meh, I just give a few hundred megs of ext3 to /boot, however much SWAP I need, and the rest to XFS on /
[14:46] <MisterFlibble> make sure you get the xfsdump package when you get a moment
[14:47] <wesley__> is it safe using xfs ? because it isnt supported to root
[14:47] <MisterFlibble> you can mount your root file system as XFS
[14:47] <MisterFlibble> it's not supported on /boot though
[14:47] <MisterFlibble> unless you use LILO
[14:48] <wesley__> so how much should be the boot ?
[14:48] <wesley__> mb
[14:48] <MisterFlibble> well, Ubuntu will happily litter your disk with an unlimited number of old kernels
[14:49] <MisterFlibble> (and their boot images)
[14:49] <wesley__> few gb then ?
[14:49] <MisterFlibble> so a few hundred megs, and make sure to remove your old kernel packages and modules every so often
[14:49] <wesley__> 100 mb you suggest ?
[14:50] <MisterFlibble> Fedora leaves two old kernels behind
[14:50] <MisterFlibble> I wish Ubuntu did that
[14:50] <MisterFlibble> I do 300-350
[14:50] <MisterFlibble> I've never had a problem
[14:50] <wesley__> is that enough ?
[14:50] <wesley__> but you need to remove old kernels
[14:50] <MisterFlibble> well, if you have an insane amount of space you're not going to use, you can give it more
[14:51] <MisterFlibble> I just prune the old kernel packages now and then, in Synaptic
[14:51] <wesley__> 1 tb i said
[14:51] <wesley__> my mini itx has a 1 tb hitachi hd in it
[14:52] <MisterFlibble> Or like I said, you can use LILO as your boot loader
[14:52] <MisterFlibble> Ubuntu does give you the option
[14:52] <wesley__> 9.04 doesnt give much options ( a bug )
[14:53] <MisterFlibble> then all you need to worry about is your root file system and your swap file
[14:53] <wesley__> i make / and a /home and swap maby better using ext3
[14:53] <MisterFlibble> well, doesn't 9.04 support Ext4?
[14:54] <wesley__> not in alpha 2,  its the only live cd you have for kubunty
[14:54] <MisterFlibble> I thought manual partitioning was broke on the alpha 2 livecd
[14:55] <wesley__> uh not really it kind of works, only editing doesnt work, but have a complete emty table
[14:56] <MisterFlibble> XFS was ported to Linux from IRIX
[14:56] <wesley__> whats irix ?
[14:56] <MisterFlibble> and IRIX is still better than Linux in some ways
[14:56] <MisterFlibble> SGI's version of UNIX
[14:56] <wesley__> has it kde ?
[14:56] <MisterFlibble> no, it used CDE I think
[14:57] <wesley__> then its no try
[14:57] <MisterFlibble> well, it 's not free
[14:57] <MisterFlibble> it's not open sourced
[14:57] <wesley__> ow
[14:57] <wesley__> its microsoft friend
[14:57] <MisterFlibble> and it never was meant for a PC
[14:58] <MisterFlibble> no
[14:58] <LinuxApe> Anyone use usb-creator?
[14:58] <wesley__> yeah me works
[14:58] <MisterFlibble> it was just one of the proprietary UNIX systems left over from the 80s/90s
[14:58] <wesley__> ow
[14:58] <MisterFlibble> HP and IBM still have their own too
[14:59] <LinuxApe> wesley__: I tried it today - gets as far as the Starting Up dialog and hangs there.  Ever see or hear of that type of behavior?
[14:59] <wesley__> dont knoe
[14:59] <wesley__> Going name my mini itx Dexter
[15:01] <wesley__> my notebook names Grimmjow
[15:04] <wesley__> Swap can be added always later ?
[15:06] <wesley__> i have left 2500 to make swap later
[15:09] <sergio__> ciao a tutti
[15:09] <sergio__> mio primo login, e mio secondo giorno di kubuntu
[15:11] <wesley__> only germaan englisch support
[15:11] <sergio__> ops sorry
[15:11] <sergio__> I thought about it later
[15:12] <sergio__> I have a question, though
[15:13] <LinuxApe> Figured it out - had an ext3 filesystem on the usb drive instead of vfat.
[15:13] <galathalion> any nice mediaplayer?
[15:13] <galathalion> amarok kinda sux
[15:14] <LinuxApe> galathalion:  Have you upgraded to the new version of Amarok?  It's quite slick.
[15:14] <galathalion> what version?
[15:15] <LinuxApe> 2.0
[15:15] <sehven> help desktop cube dont work!
[15:15] <galathalion> LinuxApe: no, how do i do that?
[15:15] <LinuxApe> It's not in the repositories yet, but there are instructions on kubuntu.org on upgrading.
[15:16] <galathalion> amarok just keep crashing
[15:16] <galathalion> :<
[15:16] <LinuxApe> http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.0
[15:16] <somekool> hi there, my kubuntu system does not detect my 2GB of ram, anyone can help ? I did a grep HIGHMEM in /book/* and the running kernel seems to support up to 4GB
[15:16] <galathalion> thx
[15:17] <LinuxApe> instructions here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0
[15:17] <somekool>  /boot/*
[15:25] <torkiano> MisterFlibble: Here is a good fs benchmark between ext4 ext3 XFS and reiser: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks
[15:30] <inocencio> ajuda
[15:32] <inocencio> ola boa tarde
[15:32] <MisterFlibble> torkiano: XFS kicks butt for as old as it is, it's like 17 years old and still beats Ext4 as often as Ext4 beats it :)
[15:33] <torkiano> MisterFlibble: yes, seems to be a good fs. I'll try it ;-)
[15:33] <torkiano> And wait for brtfs...
[15:34] <MisterFlibble> torkiano: It takes the pain out of working with large files and directories
[15:34] <MisterFlibble> move/copy/delete, stuff Ext3 will leave you waiting on forever
[15:35] <MisterFlibble> I just wish they'd fix GRUB
[15:35] <MisterFlibble> *sigh*
[15:35] <MisterFlibble> I'm not really sure why distributions switched from LILO to GRUB, when LILO works so much better
[15:36] <MisterFlibble> politics I imagine
[15:36] <_lumm> kashif stop privat messages.
[15:36] <torkiano> And is XFS suitable for external hard discs?
[15:36] <_lumm> ask here if u got troubles
[15:38] <torkiano> I guess that yes, isn't it?
[15:38] <MisterFlibble> torkiano: Yes, but MAKE SURE you have the thing properly unmounted before you yank the USB/Firewire cord
[15:38] <torkiano> MisterFlibble: no problem, is a fixed-external disc (1TB)
[15:40] <alonea> how do you make you trash can into a black hole (as when you delete something, it actually deletes)? I was told once upon a time, but forgot how.
[15:41] <kashif> hello
[15:41] <kashif__> hello
[15:41] <alonea> hello
[15:43] <torkiano> I have a 2.6.27-10 linux kernel ¿CAn I use a ext4 filesystem?
[15:47] <WIZARDSLOVAK> hello
[15:47] <WIZARDSLOVAK> anyone here?
[15:47] <MisterFlibble> torkiano: No, Ext4 isn't officially in the kernel til 2.6.28
[15:48] <MisterFlibble> Fedora has been shipping Ext4Dev, which is the development version of Ext4, but you don't want to mess with that
[15:48] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i got a question , i have PC dual boot xp and suse,and i wanna chanfe suse for kubuntu , what should i do?
[15:48] <wesley__> So i have install kubuntu 9.04 succesfull
[15:48] <cuznt> simply install kubuntu
[15:49] <_lumm> !in
[15:49] <Pici> !jaunty
[15:49] <MisterFlibble> WIZARDSLOVAK: Format the partitions Suse is on and give them to Kubuntu :)
[15:49] <wesley__> ive chosen for all safety just ext3
[15:49] <wesley__> Pici like i told 8.10 didnt want to start
[15:50] <WIZARDSLOVAK> what about grub loader?
[15:50] <MisterFlibble> The Kubuntu installer should take care of that
[15:50] <WIZARDSLOVAK> aha
[15:50] <MisterFlibble> it's been a few years since I've dual booted
[15:50] <WIZARDSLOVAK> one more quesstion
[15:50] <wesley__> But it seems to work god 9.04, so i can life the next months with alpha
[15:51] <WIZARDSLOVAK> is kde4 in kubuntu stable?
[15:51] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i did use linux for 2 months so i am out of picture
[15:51] <MisterFlibble> Kubuntu 8.10 has Kubuntu 4.1.2, and will update to 4.1.3 when you grab your first round of patches
[15:51] <MisterFlibble> errr KDE 4.1.2
[15:51] <MisterFlibble> that is
[15:52] <wesley__> you can update to kde4.2 beta 2 if you want looks better and is stabler
[15:52] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well i remember when i installed suse kde4 was unstable
[15:52] <kashif__> how
[15:52] <MisterFlibble> there's experimental KDE 4.2 if you want it, but I don't recommend it unless you're willing to deal with bugs :)
[15:52] <kashif__> gnome is better
[15:52] <WIZARDSLOVAK> nah i want stable version of kde4,
[15:53] <Pici> wesley__: I was just saying that 9.04 is offtopic for this channel and that #ubuntu+1 is the proper place to discuss it :)
[15:53] <wesley__> kashif gnome is fooling all it users
[15:53] <MisterFlibble> 4.1.3 then, it hasn't given me problems
[15:53] <WIZARDSLOVAK> back in suse i had problems with xserver when i had kde4 , when i switched to kde3 no problems whatsoever
[15:53] <wesley__> Pici i am not really going discuss it, i just run it on that machine
[15:53] <Pici> wesley__: Roger that
[15:53] <wesley__> but i really think that gnome just release ever 6 month the same gnome
[15:54] <MisterFlibble> WIZARDSLOVAK: KDE 4.0.x was premature, 4.1.x has worked out most of the issues
[15:54] <wesley__> KDE4.2 has matured really
[15:54] <wesley__> running it on my notebook
[15:54] <WIZARDSLOVAK> MisterFlibble  thank you
[15:54] <MisterFlibble> yep
[15:55] <leif> ?? how do i get the beta
[15:55] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i have kubuntu in my virtualbox but its not the same as  reall pc
[15:55] <MisterFlibble> add the repo
[15:55] <leif> ok
[15:55] <MisterFlibble> instructions are on kubuntu.org
[15:56] <wesley__> leif you can get beta from kubuntu.org or add the kde nightly repo and install kde-nightly, that keeps up with svn, thats what i use
[15:57] <WIZARDSLOVAK> one think i dont like about all linux, its game support
[15:57] <WIZARDSLOVAK> othervise linux rulez, windows sucks
[15:57] <MisterFlibble> Where is the nightly repo?
[16:00] <seele> has anyone else had problems with plasma with 4.2 beta 2?
[16:00] <WIZARDSLOVAK> what would be  most important directories for kubunut?
[16:00] <WIZARDSLOVAK> swap , /home  , /boot???
[16:00] <sehven> my desktop cube wont work! help!
[16:07] <alonea> how do you make you trash can into a black hole (as when you delete something, it actually deletes)? I was told once upon a time, but forgot how.
[16:09] <WIZARDSLOVAK> man i would love to help you but i am kinda newbie in kubuntu
[16:10] <sehven> wizard
[16:10] <sehven> is your dcube working?
[16:10] <sehven> im also new to kubuntu
[16:10] <sehven> cant get it to work
[16:10] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well i didnt install kubuntu on pc yet
[16:11] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i have it on vbox tho
[16:11] <sehven> ohh
[16:11] <WIZARDSLOVAK> how you do dcube?
[16:11] <sehven> config it
[16:12] <sehven> jst download all compiz stuff first
[16:12] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well you need min dual core cpu for it right?
[16:12] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i have p4ht
[16:13] <sehven> nop dont think so, but not sure
[16:13] <alonea> my dcube works I think. is that where when you switch apps it spins sorta like a cube?
[16:13] <sehven> cause i used a proggy to do it in xp
[16:13] <sehven> yes alonea
[16:13] <sehven> mine doesnt
[16:13] <WIZARDSLOVAK> ooo thats dcube
[16:13] <sehven> what did you do?
[16:13] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i always wondered what it is
[16:14] <sehven> yes wiz desktop cube
[16:14] <sehven> ^_^
[16:14] <WIZARDSLOVAK> sorry noob here lolz
[16:14] <alonea> umm...nothing. actually now that I think of it, I don't think compiz is on cause I can't figure out how to get it to load on startup.
[16:14] <sehven> dont worry i jst made it up
[16:14] <sehven> hehe
[16:14] <WIZARDSLOVAK> jeez
[16:14] <sehven> im using 8.10
[16:15] <sehven> whats your hotkeys for dcube?
[16:15] <alonea> I just alt tab
[16:16] <sehven> u using kde4.1?
[16:16] <sehven> my  alt+tab shows diff animation
[16:17] <ingerashu> hi everyone
[16:18] <ingerashu> can anyone help me ?
[16:18] <ingerashu> i have a problem...
[16:19] <ingerashu> i heard about a program which lets windows to run in virtualbox and make use of linuxs' files
[16:19] <ingerashu> you see linux partitions in virtualized windows
[16:21] <WIZARDSLOVAK> you gotta install "guest additions"
[16:21] <ingerashu> that is its name?
[16:22] <WIZARDSLOVAK> when u open os in virtualbox , click device and "install guest addidiotns"
[16:23] <WIZARDSLOVAK> thats when you use VirtualBox not Vmware
[16:23] <webaska> how to delete allmost all partitions and delete grub..
[16:23] <ingerashu> i'll try it now
[16:23] <WIZARDSLOVAK> you wanna format your drive?
[16:24] <ingerashu> is there any way to resize that drive in virtulabox?
[16:24] <ingerashu> i choose it to small...
[16:24] <ingerashu> and  i dont want to reinstall windows again
[16:24] <webaska> i want to delete all partitions except 1..and from that one to load recovery system(vista-notebooks)
[16:25] <WIZARDSLOVAK> ingeranshu ,, i dont quiet understand wht you wanna do
[16:25] <ingerashu> i say it again
[16:25] <ingerashu> i installed xp with virtualbox
[16:26] <ingerashu> and i choose 3gb for the hdd
[16:26] <ingerashu> but it's too small
[16:26] <WIZARDSLOVAK> oooo
[16:26] <ingerashu> and i want to enlarge it without remaking the xp
[16:27] <ingerashu> it took 1gb with no reason
[16:27] <ingerashu> xp is about 800 mb
[16:27] <ingerashu> and shows me 1.3 gb free
[16:27] <ingerashu> instead of 2.2
[16:27] <WIZARDSLOVAK> sorry man but as far as i know VB there is no suck a action to resize disk
[16:28] <WIZARDSLOVAK> you gotta make new and reinstall xp
[16:28] <ingerashu> but if i install guest additions, cant i use the wine drive from linux? :D
[16:29] <WIZARDSLOVAK> in VB you choose shared folder
[16:29] <ingerashu> i'll try it now to see
[16:29] <WIZARDSLOVAK> thats the foler you will be able to use btv os and VB os
[16:30] <ingerashu> i have more questions about different things in ubunt :D
[16:30] <ingerashu> would you help me?
[16:31] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well i am newbie and i use kubuntu lol
[16:31] <WIZARDSLOVAK> ask and if i can help you i will , if not me i am sure someone here will
[16:31] <ingerashu> i use ubuntu for 3 days....
[16:31] <ingerashu> well...
[16:31] <ingerashu> about cairo-dock
[16:32] <ingerashu> i saw a movie on youtube
[16:32] <ingerashu> about a plugin
[16:32] <WIZARDSLOVAK> since i use linux i alway used IRC as my support and 99% it did help or solve my problem
[16:32] <ingerashu> parabolic plugin
[16:32] <ingerashu> and i want it
[16:32] <ingerashu> but i didnt find any help on google
[16:32] <ingerashu> is it a cairo theme?
[16:32] <WIZARDSLOVAK> what is that plugin for?
[16:33] <ingerashu> makes cairo-dock more cool
[16:33] <ingerashu> nice effects
[16:33] <wesley__> 4.872 FPS  is this more then 4000 or 4 fps only ?
[16:33] <WIZARDSLOVAK> check repos
[16:34] <WIZARDSLOVAK> its 872 fps better then 4000
[16:35] <alonea> how do you make you trash can into a black hole (as when you delete something, it actually deletes)? I was told once upon a time, but forgot how.
[16:35] <Bou> press shift when deleting
[16:35] <wesley__> so i habe 4.872v means 4872 fps
[16:36] <Bou> alonea: press SHIFT when deleting, it will delete without storing into trash.
[16:37] <ingerashu> what's the best configuration on virtualbox?
[16:37] <ingerashu> because when in started, my comp process slow
[16:38] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well what are  your pc specs?
[16:39] <ingerashu> 1 gbram, athlon 2800,nvidia fx 5200
[16:39] <ingerashu> quite old
[16:39] <ingerashu> but it works great so far
[16:39] <WIZARDSLOVAK> lol i got same video card
[16:39] <ingerashu> :)
[16:39] <trojkolka> hello hello anyone knows when amarok 2.01 hits the kubuntu-members-kde4 repos?
[16:39] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well if you set up too big specs for vbox it will take power from your pc
[16:40] <WIZARDSLOVAK> what i do i never put more then 45% of my actuall RAM
[16:40] <WIZARDSLOVAK> it works pretty good
[16:40] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i can watcj simpsons and still work on vbox
[16:40] <ingerashu> well i putted 500 mbram ,128 mb for video
[16:41] <WIZARDSLOVAK> ooooo so u used all your video memory
[16:41] <WIZARDSLOVAK> put 32 or 64
[16:41] <ingerashu> but it wont see ugly?
[16:42] <ingerashu> squared
[16:42] <ingerashu> ?
[16:42] <WIZARDSLOVAK> u use all your memory for vbox , there is nothing left for you os , then your pc is slow as shit
[16:42] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i never used more then 64
[16:42] <jussi01> !ohmy | WIZARDSLOVAK
[16:42] <cuznt> my poop is never slow
[16:42] <ingerashu> and you can play games like dota?
[16:43] <ingerashu> or something like that
[16:43] <ingerashu> ?
[16:43] <WIZARDSLOVAK> well u cant play games in vbox os
[16:43] <ingerashu> why not?
[16:43] <Guest43995> maybe if it was very old
[16:43] <Guest43995> with a software renderer
[16:43] <Guest43995> but it'd be slow :P
[16:43] <WIZARDSLOVAK> vbox doesnt support 3d yet
[16:44] <ingerashu> good to know
[16:44] <ingerashu> but
[16:44] <__rob__> get vmware workstation, it supports DX8
[16:44] <ingerashu> in ubuntu i cand install anything
[16:44] <WIZARDSLOVAK> only reson i did dual boot was games
[16:45] <ingerashu> so whats the difference between vmware and virtualbox?
[16:45] <__rob__> i play wow on ubuntu, c2d 2gig, 2gig ram, nvid8600gt
[16:45] <__rob__> vmware isnt free, i dunno about vbox
[16:45] <ingerashu> its free vbox
[16:45] <WIZARDSLOVAK> vbox is free
[16:45] <__rob__> that'd be the difference then
[16:46] <alonea> Bou: There is a way to make the trash basically not exist. so when you send something to the trash it goes literally nowhere. Its safer this way.
[16:46] <ingerashu> but
[16:46] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i personally prefer vbox over vmware
[16:46] <ingerashu> i can play cs in ubuntu
[16:46] <ingerashu> just with wine
[16:46] <__rob__> vmware player is free.... but its not good
[16:46] <ingerashu> but dota i cant
[16:46] <__rob__> i use wine, was about to suggest it
[16:46] <ingerashu> when i enter the game
[16:46] <__rob__> dota = warcraft 3 yeah?
[16:47] <ingerashu> appears "out of range 65kz"
[16:47] <ingerashu> yes
[16:47] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i never used wine
[16:47] <__rob__> you looke donline?
[16:47] <ingerashu> if i use it  windowed  works
[16:47] <ingerashu> but it like half the screen
[16:47] <ingerashu> there's no good like that
[16:47] <__rob__> i had to make a few tweeks to get wow to work
[16:47] <ingerashu> yes but with vmware
[16:47] <ingerashu> not wine
[16:48] <__rob__> no thats with wine
[16:48] <__rob__> and it can hit upto 80fps
[16:48] <ingerashu> what tweaks?
[16:48] <__rob__> turnin off particle effects was one, runnin in opengl was another
[16:48] <__rob__> and a few things to reduce the graphics quality
[16:49] <ingerashu> running wine in opengl?
[16:49] <ingerashu> i mean wine applications
[16:49] <__rob__> running wow with opengl in wine
[16:50] <Bou> alonea: "safer" is relative :), but yes I see what you mean. I've always use Shift though.
[16:50] <__rob__> if you can use openGL as your renderer its alot faster
[16:50] <ingerashu> well i'll search the net for that
[16:50] <ingerashu> :)
[16:50] <ingerashu> one problem solved
[16:50] <__rob__> but i think WC3 was software renderer
[16:50] <__rob__> because it worked on mac
[16:50] <ingerashu> so wont work?
[16:50] <__rob__> well its not direct x
[16:50] <__rob__> which is a good thing
[16:51] <__rob__> it's possible it is openGL
[16:51] <ingerashu> well i'll search for it till i find whats about it :P
[16:52] <ingerashu> about vbox
[16:52] <ingerashu> if i delete the fixed drive
[16:52] <__rob__> what are you running?
[16:52] <ingerashu> it will add the free space to my linux partition
[16:52] <ingerashu> right?
[16:52] <ingerashu> ubuntu 8.10
[16:52] <__rob__> in a virtual machine?
[16:52] <ingerashu> no
[16:52] <ingerashu> this is my os
[16:52] <__rob__> ahh ok
[16:53] <ingerashu> i gave up xp
[16:53] <__rob__> well install wine, then install WC3 an run it
[16:53] <ingerashu> i had recently too many problems
[16:53] <Arv3n> Hi guys.
[16:53] <__rob__> i've decided to go linux for a week
[16:53] <ingerashu> a had one virus
[16:53] <Arv3n> on kde 3.5, how can i get the taskbar to be one line only?
[16:53] <ingerashu> that i couldnt get rid of
[16:53] <jussi01> !ot
[16:53] <ingerashu> i had zonealarm firewall
[16:53] <sun_> what is irc
[16:54] <__rob__> ah, i was usin vista, probably shouldnt say it in here but i love vista, but the new kde had me curious
[16:54] <Arv3n> !google irc
[16:54] <jussi01> !irc
[16:54] <ingerashu> and if i turned it off after 15 seconds my computer was blocked
[16:54] <Arv3n> aw, man. =/
[16:54] <__rob__> i do not like XP
[16:55] <ingerashu> i like ubuntu desktop effects :)
[16:55] <ingerashu> nice job with them
[16:55] <sun_> I like KDE!
[16:55] <__rob__> i find this (kubuntu8.10, kde4.1) a bit laggy
[16:55] <ingerashu> whats the difference between kde and gnome?
[16:55] <__rob__> doesnt feel that responsive
[16:55] <__rob__> the window manager
[16:56] <__rob__> the guts are the same
[16:56] <__rob__> but the pretty bits are different
[16:56] <ingerashu> so what do you suggest to be the best os?
[16:56] <__rob__> i prefer vista, but everyones different
[16:56] <ingerashu> i mean linux os
[16:56] <ingerashu> :)
[16:57] <ingerashu> dont like at all vista
[16:57] <__rob__> ahh i dunno, kde4 is nice so far, we had a fight last night, had to hard reboot :(
[16:58] <Arv3n> so..
[16:58] <Arv3n> does anyone know how to make kde 3.5 have a one line task bar?
[16:58] <__rob__> an like i say feels sooo laggy
[16:58] <__rob__> Arv3n: you tried resizing it?
[16:58] <Arv3n> i dont want it at size 35.
[16:58] <Arv3n> thats too small, i just want a one line taskbar.
[16:58] <__rob__> i dunno then, im on 4.1
[16:58] <Arv3n> 4.1 sucks, go 4.2
[16:59] <Arv3n> you won't regret it. (H)
[16:59] <__rob__> i upgraded last night maybe i do have 4.2 :P
[16:59] <Arv3n> im not kidding, either.
[16:59] <Arv3n> you probably have 4.1.3
[16:59] <Arv3n> you gotta add the kde experimental ppa
[16:59] <__rob__> 4.2 not stable yet?
[16:59] <__rob__> ah il wait then, not be long
[16:59] <Arv3n> 4.2 beta 2 is not "officially" stable
[16:59] <Arv3n> yeah, good decision. it comes out at the end of january.
[17:00] <__rob__> yeah il just wait then
[17:00] <ubuntu_> how can I mount /dev/hda1 somewhere on Kubuntu?
[17:01] <__rob__> ubuntu_: theres some file you can do it in, i cant remember it sorry
[17:01] <sun_> how long it takes to upgrade KDE?
[17:01] <__rob__> depends on your internet conenction
[17:01] <ubuntu_> no just temporary
[17:01] <Arv3n> ubuntu_
[17:01] <DarkSmoke> oi
[17:01] <Arv3n> mkdir /mnt/directory_name
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> my firiend wants to isntall kubuntu
[17:02] <Arv3n> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/directory_name
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> but she doesn't know anything about formating and partitioning
[17:02] <Arv3n> oh, make sure its sudo at the front.
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> is there some step by step guide with pictures how to do it?
[17:02] <__rob__> if you have ubuntu you just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> no no
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> she uses windows
[17:03] <DarkSmoke> buit wants to change to kubuntu
[17:03] <__rob__> use wubi then, wubi is awesome
[17:03] <__rob__> oh she doesnt wanna dual boot?
[17:03] <DarkSmoke> no
[17:03] <DarkSmoke> she wants to change.
[17:03] <__rob__> its not hard to install, i wouldnt bother with a guide
[17:04] <__rob__> ubuntu is renowned for its ease of installation
[17:04] <DarkSmoke> oh yeah
[17:04] <__rob__> take maybe 30 mins
[17:04] <DarkSmoke> if you live in my island you'd knew how ignorant maltese people are
[17:04] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[17:04] <DarkSmoke> lol
[17:04] <__rob__> lol
[17:05] <wesley__> how can i get ext3 converter to ext4 ?
[17:05] <ubuntu_> it says that Ihave not enough permissions to read
[17:05] <__rob__> i gotta reboot after updates brb
[17:05] <__rob__> ubuntu_: use sudo?
[17:05] <WIZARDSLOVAK> ok people
[17:05] <sun_> how about KDE4
[17:05] <WIZARDSLOVAK> i am out to switch suse for kubuntu
[17:06] <khakane> good choice
[17:06] <ubuntu_> the drive is mounted i just can't open it
[17:08] <wesley__> so how can i convert ext3 to ext4 ?
[17:11] <ingerashu> still anyone here ? :D
[17:11] <ingerashu> in pidgin
[17:11] <ubuntu_> I have a mounted drive but when I click to browse its files it says something about permissions. what can i do?
[17:12] <ingerashu> you have an ignore list?
[17:12] <ingerashu> or in kopete
[17:12] <rob> back
[17:13] <Guest62776> back
[17:13] <ingerashu> hey
[17:13] <ubuntu_> I have a mounted drive but when I click to browse its files it says something about permissions. what can i do?
[17:13] <__rob__> have you mounted it with permissions for all users?
[17:13] <__rob__> how did you mount it?
[17:13] <ubuntu_> how to do that?
[17:14] <ubuntu_> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/kokos
[17:14] <__rob__> who was talkin about games in kubuntu under wine? im gettin 155fps in wow atm :P
[17:14] <ingerashu> nice
[17:14] <__rob__> maybe you could try chmod 777 on the folder you mounted it to
[17:15] <ingerashu> rob
[17:15] <ubuntu_> sudo chmod 777 <folder> ?
[17:15] <__rob__> so: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/kokos
[17:15] <__rob__> yeah i think
[17:16] <ingerashu> rob
[17:16] <__rob__> yeah?
[17:16] <ingerashu> you use pidgin or kopete?
[17:16] <ubuntu_> I get the same error
[17:16] <genii> ubuntu_: The permissions of the root of a hard drive device/partition are always made owned by root in the udev system. You need either to have mount options which change this, or else a folder there which the user you are running as owns
[17:16] <__rob__> im usin emseme atm, kopete kept droppin connection an disconnecting :S
[17:16] <ubuntu_> i am currently using kubuntu live CD
[17:17] <ingerashu> dont you know if there is an ignore list in pidgin or kopete?
[17:17] <Tm_T> ingerashu: there is in Kopete atleast that kind of functionality in some protocols
[17:17] <ingerashu> but
[17:17] <ingerashu> in kopete
[17:17] <__rob__> there is in kopete
[17:17] <ingerashu> it shows me their id's
[17:17] <ingerashu> in messenger
[17:17] <ingerashu> i had 300 at ignorelist
[17:18] <ingerashu> but now
[17:18] <ingerashu> some of they entered on me
[17:19] <ingerashu> so
[17:19] <ubuntu_> I need some help please I am in a serius situation I have to recover my files
[17:19] <Xpert> good afternoon, I have some doubts.
[17:20] <Xpert> first, i ve download by the official website mozilla firefox 3 and i m not able to install it using the bash, can anyone help me and say the procedure
[17:20] <Xpert> i looked for some foruns and there they say that would have a firefox-installer.bin but in the folder there is no installer
[17:21] <Tm_T> Xpert: why you would do it that way?
[17:21] <Xpert> there is only firefox-bin
[17:21] <__rob__> Xpert: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[17:21] <Pici> Xpert: What version of (K)ubuntu are you using?
[17:21] <Xpert> Pici: 4.1
[17:21] <Xpert> kde 4.1 kubuntu 8.10
[17:21] <Xpert> __rob__:  i ll try
[17:21] <Pici> Xpert: The firefox in the repositories is already 3.0.  You shouldn't need to install it from a bin fine.
[17:22] <Pici> s/fine/file
[17:22] <Xpert> but i would like to learn how to compile the program too
[17:22] <__rob__> ubuntu_: maybe you should look into a file called /etc/fstab google it then edit yours, an remount using it
[17:22] <Pici> Xpert: The .bin contains the binary version, it is already compiled.
[17:22] <Xpert> ok i ll try
[17:22] <Xpert> __rob__:  how i update the fstab
[17:22] <ubuntu_> I am using live CD does this matter?
[17:23] <Xpert> i ve already did this in the past, but i dont remember anymore
[17:23] <__rob__> Xpert: that wasnt to you
[17:23] <Xpert> ok
[17:23] <__rob__> Xpert: that was for ubuntu_ he's tryin to mount a drive
[17:23] <__rob__> ubuntu_: actually dude why dont you just recover the files as admin?
[17:24] <ubuntu_> how?
[17:24] <__rob__> what os you using?
[17:24] <__rob__> ubuntu?
[17:25] <ubuntu_> kubuntu
[17:25] <__rob__> do sudo dolphin
[17:26] <ingerashu> can anyone help me with that messenger question?
[17:26] <ingerashu> pls
[17:26] <Xpert> it runned __rob__ ty
[17:26] <__rob__> ingerashu: sorry man i ditched kopete :P
[17:26] <ubuntu_> command not found
[17:26] <__rob__> Xpert: see if you can get into the folder now
[17:26] <Xpert> i saw in foruns the name of the package as mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br
[17:26] <ingerashu> it's a problem for me
[17:27] <Xpert> did it changed of name ?
[17:27] <ingerashu> in kopete i see all the id's
[17:27] <Xpert> cuz my apt-get search doesnt run
[17:27] <Xpert> i dont know why
[17:27] <Xpert> __rob__: how i do this ?
[17:27] <__rob__> Xpert: i couldnt serch either :S
[17:27] <ingerashu> of those that were in my ingore list on messenger
[17:27] <Xpert> __rob__:  i m using a site to do this
[17:27] <__rob__> ubuntu_: sudo dolphin?
[17:27] <Xpert> it searchs for names of packages i can post for u if u want
[17:27] <__rob__> nah its k
[17:28] <Xpert> ok
[17:28] <__rob__> i normally use the apt package manager
[17:28] <__rob__> but commandline is easier in irc :D
[17:28] <Xpert> another doubt
[17:28] <ubuntu_> like I said I am using live CD dolphin may not be available
[17:28] <Xpert> how can i create a fast inicialization pannel at K side
[17:29] <Xpert> like windows
[17:29] <Xpert> to put my favorites prograns to open fastly
[17:29] <Xpert> into the main pannel
[17:29] <__rob__> ubuntu_: what file manager is on it?
[17:29] <__rob__> Xpert: what you runnin kde4.1?
[17:29] <Xpert> yes
[17:29] <ingerashu> seems the google is man's best friend
[17:29] <ubuntu_> konqueor (something like that)
[17:30] <__rob__> Xpert: in the K menu you can pin stuff to the favourites
[17:30] <ubuntu_> *konqueror
[17:30] <__rob__> ubuntu_: then sudo konqueror
[17:30] <__rob__> i hate konqueror
[17:31] <Xpert> __rob__:  ok ill try
[17:31] <__rob__> Xpert: thast what i've done, its nice an tidy
[17:31] <genii> __rob__: Do not suggest to people to run gui apps like konqueror with sudo instead of kdesu/kdesudo. This makes it impossible for them afterwards to run it as their normal user
[17:31] <wesley__> very helpfull arent they on #ubuntu i asked about ext4 do get shouted that ext4 isnt stable and stuff
[17:32] <ubuntu_> well I finally can browse to /mnt/kokos/ but I see no files or folders whats wrong?
[17:32] <fragadELic> what's the "best" irc linux client to use?
[17:32] <__rob__> genii: hes booting from a live cd, he only wants to recover some files
[17:32] <genii> Xpert: Use kdesu or kdesudo and NOT sudo
[17:32] <wesley__> fragadELic i say konversation
[17:32] <fragadELic> ty
[17:33] <genii> __rob__: Regardless, please use correct syntax
[17:33] <fragadELic> any1 know how to use konversation with tor (torify)? or have some links
[17:33] <ubuntu_> is it because is ntfs?
[17:34] <__rob__> genii: i didnt know about kdesu, im just trying to help the guy
[17:34] <genii> __rob__: I understand :) It's just that others may also try this and then find the app unusable afterwards, causing unneccesary problems.
[17:35] <Xpert> is there any program like emule in linux
[17:35] <Xpert> whats the name of the package
[17:35] <Xpert> ?
[17:35] <__rob__> ktorrent
[17:35] <Xpert> what is the best ?
[17:35] <Pici> !p2p | Xpert
[17:35] <__rob__> i never used any under linux
[17:35] <Xpert> what is the best package
[17:36] <Xpert> ktorrent for torrent files
[17:36] <Pici> Thats up to you to find out.
[17:36]  * jpedroza likes ktorrent
[17:36] <Xpert> i need a p2p
[17:36] <Pici> Xpert: See ubottu's message above.
[17:37] <__rob__> i think thats one of the problems with open source, the sheer volume of stuff to try out
[17:38] <Xpert> which is the package of thunderbird mozilla
[17:38] <Xpert> ?
[17:38] <Xpert> the last version
[17:38] <__rob__> Xpert: you used the apt package manager?
[17:38] <__rob__> you can search in it
[17:39] <__rob__> an install whatever you want
[17:39] <Xpert> __rob__:  u mean adept ?
[17:39] <__rob__> yes :P
[17:39] <Xpert> where i go to see the package manager ?
[17:39] <Xpert> i dont like adept
[17:39] <__rob__> i never click now, i just type in what i want in the k menu
[17:43] <Xpert> what do u recommend me
[17:43] <Xpert> amule or xmule ?
[17:45] <ubuntu_> well I finally can browse to /mnt/kokos/ but I see no files or folders whats wrong? is it because is ntfs fs?
[17:47] <khakane> ntfs works great
[17:47] <khakane> ubuntu_: does that drive show up in df?
[17:50] <ikonia> wesley__: you didn't get shouted at
[17:50] <ikonia> wesley__: you got advised that if you wish to do it you should to it on your own as the situation is not supported as the tools you want to use are still in development
[17:51] <ikonia> wesley__: you then got pointed to the development channel of #ubuntu+1 - which you didn't join
[17:51] <ikonia> wesley__: so please don't say things that didn't happen
[17:51] <starenka> hello. any idea how to run shell script on bad login attempts (either gui or cli)
[17:56] <wesley__> I was not talking about you ikonia but Gnea
[17:58] <khakane> wesley__: just go to a coffee shop, smoke some weed, come back and try again
[17:58] <khakane> that's what i would do anyways..
[17:58] <wesley__> i dont use drugs
[17:58] <khakane> weed aint no drug ;)
[17:58] <jussi01> !o4o
[17:58] <wesley__> it it , a light drugs
[17:58] <genii> jussi01: Beat me to it...
[17:59] <khakane> zzzz
[17:59] <kilani> hi i need to install my printer but it isnt workind
[17:59] <kilani> can someone help me
[17:59] <wesley__> hehe mini case is closed, is it save to remove fans ?
[18:00] <wesley__> those fans make more sound then the hd
[18:00] <genii> kilani: What printer make/model, and how does it connect ? (usb/serial/parallel/ network)
[18:00] <khakane> if its a mini case i wouldnt go unplugging fans
[18:00] <kilani> genii: it is connected through usb
[18:01] <kilani> hp officejet5510
[18:01] <wesley__> i did look if there where no cables in the fans, but i seems the vga on the intergrated chip makes some sound, not so much as a normall pc ofcourse
[18:01] <khakane> wesley__: gpu fan may be going out
[18:03] <genii> kilani: Do you have package called   hplip   installed?
[18:04] <kilani> genii: yes it is installed
[18:05] <wesley__> khakane, but is that save ?
[18:05] <khakane> wesley__: depends on how "good" the card is, if its an older card, sometimes you can get away with heatsink only no fan
[18:05] <khakane> but i would look at replacing the fan or the card, but of course, check to make sure thats the problem first
[18:05] <khakane> stick your thumb on the fan, see if the noise goes away (while its running of course)
[18:05] <wesley__> the noiits a intel 945 orso
[18:06] <genii> kilani: When you added a printer, you got choice of printers and did not specifically see 5510 there?
[18:06] <wesley__> good idea i going see to that, i have a rear fan to ( if it would get to hot then a pc shutdown automatic ?
[18:07] <ubuntu__> jeez i just destroyed my grub loader
[18:07] <ubuntu__> how can i reinstall it?
[18:07] <ubuntu__> where should i install it?
[18:08] <genii> !grub | ubuntu__
[18:09] <kilani> genii: problem is that i cannot find it at all when it is connected
[18:09] <ubuntu__> i had xp dual with suse and wanted to switch to kubuntu/xp
[18:09] <ubuntu__> now i cant boot none
[18:09] <ubuntu__> i have live cd and i need to install grup
[18:10] <ubuntu__> apt-get install grub ??
[18:10] <wesley__> khakane i dont know if they sound is less more when stopping him, because you hear the hd then
[18:11] <genii> ubuntu__:See the first link in the message from ubottu
[18:11] <ubuntu__> when i type "apt-get install grub" i get answer "grub is already newest version"
[18:11] <ubuntu__> so grub is installed
[18:13] <ubuntu__> when i click to change grub setting i get "/boot/grub/menu/1st does not exist"
[18:13] <Xpert> hi
[18:13] <Xpert> i m back
[18:14] <Xpert> i m with a problem with amule
[18:14] <Xpert> i m trying to download xmule but it dont finds the package
[18:15] <Pici> Xpert: xmule does not appar to be in the repositories.
[18:16] <Xpert> ok Pici
[18:18] <eagles0513875> i need some help with smbfs im trying to mount a remote windows partition on linux and i wrote a script when i did it last but now for some reason its not working i have smbfs installed already
[18:19] <eagles0513875> is there something wrong with this sudo smbmount //192.168.2.2/users /mnt/WindowsShare -o username=jonathan,password=623xvnqh48,rw
[18:19] <eagles0513875> !smbfs
[18:19] <eagles0513875> !info smbfs
[18:20] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me
[18:21] <eagles0513875> nm its working
[18:22] <Xpert> what are the best players of videos ?
[18:22] <Xpert> like windows media player of bsplayer for windows
[18:22] <eagles0513875> !multimedia
[18:23] <eagles0513875> Xpert wrong thing
[18:23] <Xpert> ?
[18:23] <eagles0513875> wait see the 2nd link
[18:23] <eagles0513875> where it says multimedia applications above
[18:28] <jussi01> !players | Xpert
[18:30] <Xpert> jussi01 xmms2 is like winamp ?
[18:30] <Xpert> for windows
[18:30] <Xpert> ?
[18:30] <jussi01> kinda
[18:30] <jussi01> havent really used it much
[18:30] <Xpert> which is the exactly name of the package
[18:30] <Xpert> i need it
[18:30] <Xpert> i only use apt-get install
[18:30] <jussi01> !info xmms2
[18:31] <Pici> Xpert: audacious is the player most like winamp on Ubuntu
[18:31] <Tm_T> and Noatun most like it in KDE
[18:33] <b0nn> hrm, how do I find my cdrom and mount it?
[18:33] <zwerg> moun /dev/crom /mnt/cdrom
[18:33] <zwerg> *mount
[18:33] <zwerg> or
[18:34] <zwerg> mount /dev/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom0
[18:34] <b0nn> Itasks for a fs type
[18:34] <b0nn> (cdrom1)
[18:37] <b0nn> When I specify vfat as the type I get:
[18:37] <b0nn> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[18:37] <b0nn> mount: /dev/scd0: can't read superblock
[18:43] <Xpert> i have a problem
[18:43] <Xpert> ive installed xmms2 but it doesnt apper in multimedia button ?
[18:43] <Black> Hello
[18:43] <Xpert> xmms
[18:43] <Black> !!!!
[18:44] <Xpert> any solution ?
[18:44] <Xpert> ?
[18:44] <wesley__> look i can put that noisy fan off the temperture keep now around 44
[18:48] <Xpert> anyone can solve my problem ??????
[18:53] <Xpert> ??????????????????
[18:53] <Xpert> no helpers on ?
[18:53] <wesley__> bartek van Belgie ?
[18:54] <Tm_T> !helpme | Xpert
[18:54] <bartek> no
[18:55] <Xpert> Tm_T:  i need to install thunderbird
[18:55] <alisson> alguem brasileiro??
[18:55] <Xpert> eu sou
[18:55] <Xpert> alisson:
[18:55] <Xpert> preciso instalar o thunderbird
[18:55] <Xpert> qual o nome do pacote
[18:55] <alisson> qual tus distro
[18:55] <Tm_T> !br | alisson
[18:56] <Xpert> ubottu:  is there #kubuntu-br ?
[18:56] <alisson> calma
[18:56] <alisson> ainda to apanhando aki
[18:56] <Xpert> boa tarde
[18:56] <Tm_T> Xpert: alisson: please use english here
[18:56] <alisson> qual o linux para thunderbird
[18:57] <Xpert> ok
[18:57] <Xpert> kubuntu8.10
[18:57] <Tm_T> !thunderbird | Xpert
[18:57] <Tm_T> brrrh
[19:01] <Xpert> Tm_T:  ok i ve installed now
[19:01] <Xpert> ty
[19:03] <dwidmann_laptop> erm, what's the appropriate way to run the badblocks command
[19:03] <javitox> hi
[19:03] <javitox> Help
[19:03] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm hoping all of this output is just due to user error, lest I'm in trouble
[19:04] <javitox> no speak englesh
[19:04] <javitox> help
[19:04] <javitox> Español
[19:05] <bartek> sprichts du deutsh?
[19:06] <dwidmann_laptop> !es
[19:06] <javitox> gracias
[19:06] <bartek> danke
[19:11] <ralpho_>  Gui lah hui te ha
[19:12] <ralpho_> 谢谢
[19:12] <alisson> alguem sabe como faço pro soundkonverter converter pra MP3
[19:17] <Polynomial-C> Hello. I'm trying to help a friend fixing a somehow broken update from kubuntu-8.04 to kubuntu-8.10 and am now stuck with the kernel. It seems like all installed packages were updated to the versions from 8.10 but theinstalled kernel image is still the one from 8.04 and I cannot figure out which package I have to install to get the new default kernel from 8.10.
[19:18] <genii> b0nn: cdroms do not have a vfat filesystem. Usually they are iso9660 or udf
[19:19] <genii> Polynomial-C: Did do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade                           ? the dist-upgrade is what causes the kernel versions to increment
[19:19] <Xpert> how do I install xmms2 ? and run it
[19:19] <Xpert> its already installed but it doesnt appear in the k menu
[19:19] <Xpert> multimedia menu
[19:19] <Xpert> i tryed alt-f2 xmms2 but didnt run
[19:20] <Polynomial-C> genii, no, I did "apt-get update" but not "apt-get dist-upgrade". I will try that now.
[19:24] <genii> Xpert: If in Konsole you type:  xmms2 --help               does it tell you the command opetions, or say "file not found" or so ?
[19:26] <genii> bartek: deutsche:  /join #kubuntu-de
[19:29] <XVampireX> You people know,  KDE 4.2 still got tons of bugs :D
[19:29] <XVampireX> but it's getting better
[19:31] <Polynomial-C> XVampireX, it was the same with kde-3 until kde-3.4
[19:31] <filip__> Unpacking replacement smbclient ...
[19:31] <filip__> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/smbclient_2%3a3.2.3-1ubuntu3.4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:31] <filip__>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
[19:31] <filip__> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[19:31] <filip__> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:32] <filip__>  /var/cache/apt/archives/smbclient_2%3a3.2.3-1ubuntu3.4_i386.deb
[19:32] <filip__> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:32] <filip__> what to do?
[19:34] <genii> filip__: Please don't paste more thann a couple lines at a time into this channel. Use pastebin in this case
[19:34] <genii> !paste | filip__
[19:34] <filip__> ok
[19:34] <filip__> sorry
[19:34] <filip__> can you help me?
[19:34] <genii> filip__: At any rate. Delete the corrupted file in the cache, then try install again
[19:35] <genii> filip__: eg:   sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/smbclient*
[19:36] <filip__> genii: thank you very much
[19:36] <filip__> that help
[19:36] <filip__> bye
[19:36] <genii> filip__: You're welcome
[19:37] <XVampireX> Polynomial-C: Yeah, but the bugs in KDE 4 right now... lets just say that it could be called beta quality release (Not many crashes just that certain things like missing icons... and a bug with krunner) are not getting fixed it seems in KDE 4.2
[19:38] <Polynomial-C> XVampireX, I didn't test anything later than 4.0.5 but that was the worst kde-release I ever gave a try.
[19:39] <Polynomial-C> genii, "apt-get dist-upgrade" solved every remaining problem. Thank you very much :)
[19:41] <genii> Polynomial-C: You're welcome
[19:47] <OuZo> hi, apt-get update is not obaying my /etc/apt/source.list
[19:47] <OuZo> i changed the server to download from & it still uses the old one
[19:47] <XVampireX> Explain
[19:48] <XVampireX> by the way it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:48] <XVampireX> also make sure you change it via root
[19:49] <OuZo> $ less /etc/apt/source.list | tail -n 3
[19:49] <OuZo> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
[19:49] <OuZo> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
[19:49] <OuZo> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
[19:50] <OuZo> $ sudo apt-get update
[19:50] <OuZo> Err http://192.168.1.102 intrepid Release.gpg
[19:50] <OuZo>   Could not connect to 192.168.1.102:3142 (192.168.1.102). - connect (113 No route to host)
[19:50] <OuZo> Err http://192.168.1.102 intrepid/main Translation-en_ZA
[19:50] <OuZo>   Could not connect to 192.168.1.102:3142 (192.168.1.102). - connect (113 No route to host)
[19:50] <OuZo> 0% [Connecting to 192.168.1.102 (192.168.1.102)]^C
[19:50] <OuZo> so its trying to connect to an internal apt-cacher server, but that server's IP has changed... so i made it apt point to the default server
[19:51] <OuZo> but it still tries to use the old one
[19:52] <wallabee> Having trouble using a new usb wireless mouse. Any help appreciated.  This is what settings tell me:  http://www.imagehosting.com/host.php
[19:53] <JannoTT> My kubuntu install hangs on 90% at doing some usb stuff. When i googled it it lookd like some very old bug. Dating back to 7.04. When i started live cd without splash screen it complaind about me not using 8139too driver and not able to enumerate usb port 6 or something like that.
[19:54] <jayhunold> !paste | OuZo
[19:54] <wallabee> sorry disreguard that last link.. here's what i get:  http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2126/20412350ic4.png
[19:55] <genii> OuZo: : Please don't paste more thann a couple lines at a time into this channel. Use pastebin in this case
[19:55] <jayhunold> OuZo:  less /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:56] <genii> OuZo: If you are using some caching server which is not transparent, edit your /etc/environment   or ~/.bashrc to reflect this
[19:56] <blobbylol> hi, i can't start kde anymore, when i enter my login, that does not start kde but that comes back to the login screen. If i type startkde in the terminal, i have $DISPLAY not set or cannot connect to X server ; i've seen that my hd was full 0 Ko free, so i've freed 2 Go but kde still does not start
[19:57] <OuZo> my enviroment looks standard
[19:57] <OuZo> $ cat /etc/environment
[19:57] <OuZo> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[19:58] <wallabee> blobbylol: i had the smae problem you may need to get rid of more than that for it to start
[19:59] <blobbylol> wallabee: before i only had 1 Go free and that worked
[19:59] <wallabee> blobbulol: i was able to log in once but it ran updates and when i logged back in it was back to not able to login
[19:59] <genii> OuZo: You want it to use an internal proxy, or to bypass the proxy and go direct to the url?
[20:00] <OuZo> genii: either, i just want to install software for now
[20:00] <OuZo> lets say the main external repo
[20:00] <OuZo> here is my list http://paste.ubuntu.com/101834/
[20:00] <genii> OuZo: The proxy it was using previously... squid or so?
[20:00] <OuZo> apt-cacher
[20:00] <blobbylol> wallabee: what did you do ?
[20:01] <genii> OuZo: OK
[20:01] <OuZo> but its bypassing all proxies now
[20:01] <OuZo> $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[20:01] <OuZo> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://";
[20:02] <wallabee> blobbylol:  i'd recommend getting rid of some unused packages via aptitude and rm'ing a little more data and see if that helps.. although i have an 80gb hd and it somehow got filled up even though i only had a couple data filesa nd a couple cd's worth of music so if anyone knows how that can fill your hd up id like to know..but i had to end up reinstalling (bummer i know)
[20:02] <genii> OuZo: If thats the only line in the apt.conf, just rm the file. Also you could uninstall apt-cacher
[20:02] <blobbylol> wallabee: i don't think i have to free more than 2 Go
[20:03] <wallabee> blobbylol: wish i could be more of a help but just sharing my experience
[20:03] <genii> OuZo: (or at least stop it's service)
[20:04] <blobbylol> wallabee: ok thanks
[20:04] <OuZo> the apt-cacher runs on the server... the clients just go to a url as told...
[20:04] <OuZo> there is no service to stop on clients
[20:04] <OuZo> as far as i know
[20:05] <OuZo> but its bypassing all proxies anyway
[20:05] <SilverRook> can anyone help me with my install of 8.10 it keeps giving me the busybox prompt when i try and boot from livecd
[20:05] <OuZo> & still looking for a server...
[20:05] <OuZo> which doesnt make sence to me
[20:05] <OuZo> its completely ignoring the sources.list
[20:05] <wallabee> Having trouble using a new usb wireless mouse. Any help appreciated.  This is what settings tell me: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2126/20412350ic4.png
[20:06] <genii> OuZo: The client likely gets it's info from the server by dhcp or so.
[20:07] <OuZo> this client is a laptop with a direct internet connection...
[20:07] <genii> OuZo: Try then: sudo dhclient -r eth0 (or whatever adapter name)           sudo dhclient eth0            and then see if ifconfig shows proper connection info
[20:09] <OuZo> $ ifconfig eth1 | head -n 2 | tail -n 1
[20:09] <OuZo>           inet addr:192.168.1.103  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[20:09] <SilverRook> hi
[20:09] <SilverRook> cansomeone help me pls
[20:10] <SilverRook> when installing 8.10 i get busy box - and when i install in text only mode i get your cd is not in the drive
[20:11] <genii> OuZo: OK, that looks good. Maybe there are additional files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d   directory or so, which has the proxy specified
[20:12] <OuZo> nope, iv looked into all of them & they are harmles & have nothing to do with proxies :(
[20:12] <Cymew> Have someone managed to install the flash10 beta on AMD64?
[20:12] <genii> SilverRook: This happens when the installer cannot find a driver for the chipset controlling the cdrom. Like some sata controllers. find your chipset and modprobe the driver, or try set bios to have sata drives in "compatible" mode, or try install from external usb cd unit (which installer knows about by default)
[20:13] <genii> OuZo: This one is a puzzler then
[20:13] <SilverRook> genii i also get graphics crash when i try and install on my other system
[20:13] <SilverRook> but 8.04 worked
[20:14] <OuZo> it sure is genii, i was reading man apt for a what to manually specify servers to go to... but doesnt seam like that is an option
[20:14] <SilverRook> both intel and AMD64 versions crash
[20:14] <genii> SilverRook: Graphics issues are not my strong area. But as for the cd not being found, see my above explanation and possible solutions to try
[20:14] <SilverRook> ok thanks for that
[20:15] <genii> OuZo: That is set in the apt.conf file usually (or by manually adding the proxy as a url in the sources.list deb lines)
[20:15] <Cymew> Or for that matter any 64 bit flash at all? Is it still 32 bit Firefox & plugins that's the solution?
[20:15] <genii> OuZo: Global proxies are usually set in the conf file of the daemon doing the caching (quid, etc)
[20:15] <wallabee>  TDYFUIH
[20:15] <wallabee> ]'
[20:15] <wallabee> ?
[20:15] <wesley__> SilverRook intel works great, only low fps but does that say something ?
[20:15] <OuZo> yeah, but everything is now set to what the original was
[20:16] <genii> OuZo: Also you can set system-wide proxy by way of environment, but this has not been done in your case
[20:16] <SilverRook> wesley__ it does the normal kubuntu load bar gets all the way to the end and then i get diagonal scrolled graphics crash
[20:16] <NicEXE> I am in a complicate situation: I have a non-bootable-virtual-hdd (propably because its corrupted) and I want to recover some files. I am currently using Kubuntu live cd on VirtualBox. I mounted my virtual HDD on /mnt/kokos but when I browse to /mnt/kokos no files or folders are appearing. Is it because it's NTFS? (I am using Kubuntu 32 live CD 7.04 on virtual box)
[20:16] <SilverRook> i have 8.04 on my hdd at the min on a dual boot and that boots fine
[20:16] <OuZo> iv changed lots of things, im going to reboot & get back to you genii, thanks for the help thou
[20:17] <genii> OuZo: You're welcome. If you discover whats the source, please enlighten us :)
[20:17] <wallabee> Having trouble using a new usb wireless mouse. Any help appreciated.  This is what settings tell me: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2126/20412350ic4.png
[20:18] <wesley__> SilverRook there are some bugs related to performance issues, but i really dont know what a intel vga is supposed to get, but i know aero runs on it
[20:18] <SilverRook> wesley__ yeh i have had it running on a friends dell machine but i get it home and it wont run on mine
[20:18] <SilverRook> i have tried both intel and AMD64
[20:19] <SilverRook> same error on both discs
[20:19] <SilverRook> and the other pc i have.. the dvd drive isnt supported by the sounds of it
[20:19] <SilverRook> grrrr
[20:19] <NicEXE> I am in a complicate situation: I have a non-bootable-virtual-hdd (propably because its corrupted) and I want to recover some files. I am currently using Kubuntu live cd on VirtualBox. I mounted my virtual HDD on /mnt/kokos but when I browse to /mnt/kokos no files or folders are appearing. Is it because it's NTFS? (I am using Kubuntu 32 live CD 7.04 on virtual box)
[20:19] <wesley__> Do you get on the desktop? Because i would care if the loadbar is messed up in the live cd
[20:19] <genii> NicEXE: Have you tried asking your question in the #vbox channel yet?
[20:20] <SilverRook> no it fails just as its about to load desktop from the live cd
[20:20] <Cymew> none? Shit. Time to go the long way and reinstall everything related to Firefox in 32 bit versions then I guess.
[20:20] <NicEXE> genii: I'll do it now
[20:20] <genii> SilverRook: You could try appending:  vga         to the kernel load line of the cd
[20:20] <SilverRook> is that the same as pressing F4 and telling it to use safe gfx mode ?
[20:21] <SilverRook> cuz i have done that
[20:21] <genii> Cymew: Please, try to keep the channel family friendly and be careful of bad language :)
[20:22] <SilverRook> would it help if i uploaded a video of the machine loading ?
[20:22] <genii> Bah
[20:22] <vlt> NicEXE: What does `fdisk -l /dev/your/virtual/hdd` tell you?
[20:22] <genii> SilverRook: Yes, pretty much the same result. A video of it loading won't be too enlightening, I wouldn't bother
[20:22] <SilverRook> lol
[20:23] <SilverRook> ok
[20:23] <SilverRook> grrrr
[20:23] <wesley__> genii the intel atom 330 works really good
[20:23] <SilverRook> all i wanna do is install a kde4 portable desktop onto my new shiny sandisk cruzer 16gb :D
[20:23] <NicEXE> Cannot open /dev/hda1
[20:24] <wesley__> SilverRook searh on live usb in adept orso
[20:25] <SilverRook> i'm thinking of booting the live cd on this one (the one i have xp running on) and installling in text mode
[20:26] <wesley__> You know what i did, i just picked the unstable and gues what worked for me
[20:27] <SilverRook> does kubuntu wqith kde4 support sli ? - do you think that could be causing the gfx probs ?
[20:27] <wesley__> my new pc is installed via usb and i did put 9.04 on it
[20:27] <wesley__> sli ?
[20:28] <SilverRook> yeh i have opteron 180 (overclocked) on abit an8sli fatal1ty board with 2x nvidia 6800 ultras running in sli
[20:29] <SilverRook> i'm gonna pop the hood and remove one of the cards and see if that fixes it
[20:31] <Danu> Hello i have a strange problem : must of my videos are rmvb, and SMPlayer (Mplayer too) is the only player that play them correctly adn it has work great since time ago, but today i try to open one video and has no sound at all
[20:32] <Danu> and the weirdest is that i try to open the same one in gnome and the sound work :S
[20:34] <wallabee> Having trouble using a new usb wireless mouse. Any help appreciated. I've heard of a program called lomoco but dont know much about it. This is what settings tell me: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2126/20412350ic4.png
[20:36] <genii> Away for a bit
[20:39] <wizardslovak> my dragon player doesnt play .avi
[20:39] <wizardslovak> what should i do?
[20:40] <Decadence> ello
[20:40] <Decadence> hnmmmm quiet
[20:41] <nicola> qualcuno sa dirmi come vedere un dvd con kaffeina?
[20:42] <wesley__> https://launchpad.net/~velroy1
[20:42] <Tm_T> wesley__: yes?
[20:42] <wesley__> just my lauchpad account, ive put a mug on it
[20:43] <Tm_T> ok
[20:43] <Tm_T> !ot | wesley__
[20:43] <Tm_T> (;)
[20:43] <wizardslovak> i just falled in love with kubuntu
[20:43] <wizardslovak> i wont use suse ever again
[20:43] <wesley__> dont be so harse, it links to lauchpadf
[20:43] <k4k4> wizardslovak: lol
[20:43] <Tm_T> wesley__: doesn't matter (:
[20:44] <wizardslovak> apt-get <---best command ever
[20:44] <wizardslovak> btw is there a side with basica kubuntu commands? something day-to-day use
[20:44] <Tm_T> !commandline | wizardslovak
[20:44] <Tm_T> bah
[20:44] <Tm_T> !bash
[20:44] <Tm_T> wizardslovak: ^
[20:46] <wizardslovak> Tm_T: thank you
[20:46] <wizardslovak> one more think
[20:46] <wizardslovak> how can i add codecs for kaffeine?
[20:46] <Tm_T> !mp3 | wizardslovak
[20:46] <Tm_T> wizardslovak: also, kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[20:48] <wizardslovak> as i said apt-get <---best tool ever
[20:48] <Tm_T> wizardslovak: try wajig
[20:48] <wizardslovak> whats "wajig"?
[20:49] <zer0o> hi guys kopete doesn't send any file, i do all the steps but no window appears, neither to me nor to the contact i want to send the file to... ???
[20:49] <wizardslovak> how do you guys use dcube?
[20:49] <ubuntu_> hi all
[20:49] <wizardslovak> what are keyboard shortcuts?
[20:51] <wizardslovak> command to update system?
[20:51] <ubuntu_> fuckers what's up??
[20:51] <jussi01> !ohmy | ubuntu_
[20:51] <ubuntu_> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  hoe
[20:54] <wizardslovak> apt-get upgrade ??
[20:55] <wesley__> kids ? that bot is crazy kinds dont come here
[20:55] <wizardslovak> lol
[20:55] <wizardslovak> kids?
[20:55] <wizardslovak> wonder where
[20:55] <wesley__> yeah me to
[20:55] <wizardslovak> kids are playing with XP machiens
[20:55] <wesley__> Not all
[20:56] <jpedroza> wizardslovak: Mine play with Kubuntu
[20:56] <jpedroza> wizardslovak: and edubuntu
[20:56] <wizardslovak> nice , too bad i dont have kids yet
[20:56] <wesley__> I make deals with my little brother that he may use my pc if he lets him download
[20:56] <wizardslovak> lol my brother always b*tches when his comp is broken, like its my fault
[20:57] <wizardslovak> i never used his PC
[20:57] <zer0o> hi guys kopete and pidgin don't send any file, i do all the steps but no window appears, neither to me nor to the contact i want to send the file to... ???
[21:00] <wesley__> wizardslovak, my girlfriend blames me for breaking her mac
[21:01] <wesley__> i said, a mac cant be broken
[21:01] <wizardslovak> hahah
[21:01] <wesley__> going put this notebook off
[21:01] <wesley__> go on my new pc
[21:02] <wesley__> man what make it noise that mini itx
[21:03] <wizardslovak> where in kubuntu can i find compizconfig??
[21:05] <christaker> is there any way to make kde 4 start menu transparent???
[21:08] <wesley> i am back, and i need help, i wanna control my fan speed, it rocks skyhigh now
[21:11] <XenThraL> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 177.80, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 177.82.  Please make
[21:11] <XenThraL> sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[21:11] <XenThraL> NVIDIA: Direct rendering failed; attempting indirect rendering
[21:11] <XenThraL> anyone know how I can fix that?
[21:12] <wallabee> I need help with a wireless mouse.  System Settings---->Keyboard & Mouse---->Mouse-->Mouse Receiver      :    You have a Logitech mouse connected, and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse.  This is probably caused by a  permissions problem - you should consult the maual on how to fix this.
[21:12] <wallabee> what manual is the question?
[21:14] <ingerashu> does anyone know where to download cairo-dock themes?
[21:15] <ingerashu> i cant find anything
[21:17] <csc_> hello
[21:17] <csc_> is there anyone running a live usb with persistence?
[21:20] <wesley> yes you can make that easy with special tools
[21:21] <csc_> wesley, are you running it?
[21:21] <csc_> wesley, can you give me the output "of mount | grep casper" please ?
[21:22] <wesley> huh no i am not using it right now
[21:29] <nicola_> mi date il server in italiano
[21:32] <nicola_> esistono le java per kubuntu
[21:33] <jussi01> !it
[21:38] <wamyc> salut
[21:43] <Copelia> !fr
[21:51] <Pentarex1> Hello I have one question is the commands on ubuntu are the same in Kubuntu (e.x. sudo apt-get install luvcview)
[21:51] <Pentarex1> ?
[21:52] <kriox> hi ..
[21:53] <kriox> have someone experience whiyh recostructor on kubuntu 8.04?
[21:55] <rickest> Pentarex1: yes
[21:55] <Pentarex1> rickest: 10nx
[21:56] <andypls1> what's the proper irc channel to talk about internet domain names?
[22:00] <sourcemaker> Is it possible to define the alignment of the panel icons? When I position a extra panel on the left screen (top to bottom) the icons are aligned horizontal... instead of vertical
[22:06] <NmLinuz> hello. where is stored my kde themes? In which directory?
[22:11] <Aison> hmm, bluetooth is not working at all here ;)
[22:11] <Aison> :(
[22:11] <Aison> My phone can't even find my PC
[22:12] <Aison> but I know that my bluetooth stick works with linux, it worked on a gentoo machine
[22:14] <Aison> Broadcom Corp. A-Link BlueUsbA2 Bluetooth
[22:14] <casa> ciao
[22:14] <casa> !list
[22:15] <Aison> sudo hcitool scan  works
[22:15] <Aison> I find my phone, but kbluetooth seems to suck on new intrepid
[22:21] <Aison> when I install some dev packages with apt-get build-dep
[22:21] <Aison> they are removed allways with apt-get autoremove
[22:21] <Aison> why?
[22:30] <jeff_> if anyone can help me turn off desktop effects in KDE it would be greatly appreciated
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> jeff_: in Intrepid?
[22:30] <jeff_> i have tried out a few ways that people have suggested on forums but they havent been any hhelp
[22:30] <jeff_> ya
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> you've tried turning it off in system settings?
[22:31] <haegrid> hi guys!
[22:31] <jeff_> i cant see anything when KDE loads, so i cant change it that way
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> open up ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[22:31] <jeff_> i have tried to reset it through the terminal but all the instructions to do so seem to be out of date
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> and then change compositing=true to compositing=false
[22:32] <jeff_> you see thats the problem...thats not there
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, nevermind
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> in the compositing there should be "enabled=true"
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> change that to "enabled=false"
[22:32] <jeff_> give one second to get there ill need to reboot
[22:33] <jeff_> but if memory serves me ther isnt anything like that in there for me
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> look for [Compositing]
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> in that section there should be "enabled=true"
[22:34] <jeff_> i have [$version] [desktop] [plugins] and [windows] but no [compositing]
[22:35] <glkasleg> what is repository for oo3.0?
[22:35] <jeff_> under plugins it reads kwin4_effects_coverswitchEnables=false ...which used to read true before i changed it but it didnt seem to change anything
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> then compositing shouldn't be enabled
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> does anything appear if you press alt + f2?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> (when you're in KDE)
[22:37] <jeff_> one second ill try
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> it's entirely possible that plasma is crashing when you log in
[22:39] <glkasleg> does anybody know if there is a repository for openoffice.org 3.0 in kubuntu hardy?
[22:40] <jeff_> alt f2 turns bring up a white boy in the middle of the screen, but all i have is a blank screen with a blank white box in the middle of it
[22:40] <jeff_> *brings up a white box
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> a white box, interesting
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> anyway, plasma is probably crashing. To solve that you can rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[22:43] <jeff_> just did that, how do i launch kde from the terminal now?
[22:44] <dr_willis> You mean the kde desktop? 'startkde' launches everything normally
[22:44] <jeff_> thank you
[22:45] <glkasleg> this is the repository for openoffice.org 3.0 in kubuntu hardy: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main
[22:48] <jeff_> still having the same problem
[22:48]  * dr_willis dosetn knwo what the original problem was.
[22:49] <jeff_> cant see anything in kde when i log in
[22:50] <jeff_> i did rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and looked at ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc to disable desktop effects but nothing has worked so far
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> jeff_: if you add a user with "adduser", can that user log in and have everything work?
[22:51] <dr_willis> try a new user - see if it works for them.. if so . then yes. it does sound like a user config issue for you rother user.. You could as a temp fix rename the whole .kde dir.
[22:51] <dr_willis> but you will lose all your kde settings that way
[22:52] <dr_willis> well not loose. :) you could start copying them back I guess to the new made .kde dir.. but it may be easier to just  start from scratch
[22:52] <jeff_> i wil try
[22:53] <jaime> hello, quick question
[22:54] <jaime> what's the technology that is used to render help in UI toolkits/applications
[22:54] <jaime> I'm not talking about man pages, readme files
[22:54] <jaime> something along the lines of .chm (Windows)
[22:55] <jeff_> kde works for the new user
[22:55] <jaime> If I were to write a UI application in linux, how do I integrate help into the application
[22:57] <jaime> in Open Office how is the help option implemented, when you click on the menu option (HELP) and then choose OpenOffice.org Help, how is that implemented?
[22:59] <jeff_> so if i dont care about my kde settings i should just rename the .kde dir?
[23:01] <kjhk> hello all
[23:04] <dr_willis> jeff_,  renaming it will be a 'restoreable' way to reset them back to defaults :)
[23:04] <jeff_> alternativly i could just delete it?
[23:05] <jeff_> and why does it say $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server when i type startkde
[23:06] <dr_willis> and how are you starting it? from a CONSOLE? or where exactly?
[23:07] <dr_willis> if you use kdm to login, you dont need to mess with 'startkde' -  just renaming your .kde* dir will reset the kde settings
[23:07] <jeff_> ya from the console, after renaming it from there since i failed to make my new user a sudoer
[23:07] <dr_willis> You would use 'startx' to start up X :) or restart the KDm service
[23:08] <jeff_> thank you startx was the way to go
[23:09] <jeff_> thank you dr_willis and JontheEchidna...things are working again
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> yay
[23:10] <jpedroza> I just asked this in OpenOffice.org chanel, but it seems it might be a KDE/Kubuntu issue. I can't seem to get OpenOffice to show fonts in dialog boxes. They show up everywhere else, just not dialogs. I am runing OOo3 under Intrepid.
[23:10] <jeff_> im such a noob, but im kind of ok with things breaking that way im forced to learn a bit about how things actualy work
[23:10] <jpedroza> Has anyone else seen this?
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> jpedroza: using an older nvidia?
[23:11] <jpedroza> JontheEchidna: Most current NVIDIA drivers, but using 2 monitors.
[23:11] <kniolet> jpedroza: it works fine on my computer (kde 4.1/intrepid)
[23:11] <kniolet> i have an intel graphics card though
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> there is a problem with the nvidia-glx-96 drivers where text in most kde3 apps and openoffice is invisible
[23:12] <jpedroza> JontheEchidna: The nvidia drivers seem to be my biggest issue these days.
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the nvidia dudes forgot to backport the fix from the latest drivers when making the driver compatible with xserver 1.5
[23:13] <jpedroza> JontheEchidna: I haven't seen this issue with any other apps, just OOo.
[23:18] <stnormal> I'm getting buffer errors when I try to run the liveCD or install (ver 8.10). The LiveCD will boot all the way, but the install program closes as soon as it's opened, where as the install option hangs when X first opens
[23:20] <stnormal> or, maybe not... huh... the buffer errors were still there, but this time when I boot into the LiveCD the install program worked. Weird
[23:30] <luke_> hello
[23:33] <dr_willis> dirt on the cd? stnormal ?
[23:33] <stnormal> nah, i tried burning a new one
[23:34] <stnormal> i suppose it could be a bad torrent, but the self-diagnostic thing in the install menu said that everything was kosher
[23:38] <wallabee> I need help getting a logitech cordless optical mouse to work.  It seems to be a permission problem. It tells me to consult "the manual" to fix the problem but im not sure what that is.  http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/121/87882236tk8.png
[23:41] <wallabee> Ive searched threads for hours but dont know the proper settings for the permissions (if that is the problem) so if anyone has any help would be much appreciated.
[23:44] <wallabee> lsusb shows the receiver connected. Ive also heard of programs like locomoco and logitech_applet but not sure these are of any use.
[23:45]  * dr_willis wonders what manual they are refering to.. 
[23:45] <dr_willis> :)
[23:45] <dr_willis> eery mouse ive had ya just plug in and it works.
[23:45] <dr_willis> this is a normal usb wireless mouse? Not bluetooth?
[23:46] <wallabee> wondering about the same manual.. but yes just a normal usb wireless mouse
[23:47] <wallabee> it seems like it should just work but apparently has some issue with permissions (i believe in libusb)
[23:48] <dr_willis> So the mouse does not work at all?
[23:48] <wallabee> unfortunately no.
[23:49] <wallabee> but it recognizes the receiver which has a little "connect" button but pressing this does nothing.
[23:50] <wallabee> it seemed to be a common problem for kde user with logitech cordless mice over several releases of kde but i haven't found a viable solution
[23:52] <dr_willis> I think the mouse AND the reciever both have a connect button
[23:54] <stnormal> the exact buffer error I get is basically: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1425200
[23:55] <stnormal> Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 356300
[23:55] <wallabee> it seems the users that did have sucess changed some permissions this was the closet solution i found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/permissions-problem-mx510-optical-mouse-378482/
[23:55] <stnormal> and it repeats a number of times before the "setting preliminary keymap" stage, and after the "loading hardware drivers" stage
[23:56] <stnormal> each with a different time stamp
[23:56] <wallabee> i dont see a connect button on the mouse .. when i press the connect on the receiver it makes the red optical light flash a few times like its syching or something