[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <barry> hi everybody.  happy new year and welcome to the first ameu reviewer's meeting of 2009.  who's here today?
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <intellectronica> me
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:02] <barry> gmb, salgado, and rockstar all send their apologies
[15:02] <barry> adeuring: ping
[15:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:02] <adeuring> whoops, me
[15:02] <barry> bigjools, cprov danilos ping
[15:02] <bigjools> moo
[15:03] <barry> mars: ping
[15:03] <bigjools> cprov is out
[15:03] <barry> bigjools: cool, thanks
[15:03] <mars> me
[15:03] <mars> thanks barry
[15:04] <barry> it's a very light agenda for today...
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:05] <barry> [TOPIC] peanut gallery
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  peanut gallery
[15:05] <barry> i literally have nothing on the agenda for today, so before i get to action items, let me throw it open to the floor.  do you all have any topics you'd like to discuss?
[15:06] <bigjools> are we any closer to solving circular imports with the API?
[15:06] <bigjools> I guess not :)
[15:06] <barry> not from me.  i didn't get a chance to work on that over the break
[15:06] <barry> ;)
[15:08] <barry> one thing i would like people to start thinking about is how (maybe: if :) we're going to do reviews of contributions when we open source lp
[15:08] <barry> we don't need to solve that now, but as we get closer i'd like to have a strategy for that
[15:09] <barry> ok!
[15:09] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:09] <barry>  * barry to look into techniques for eliminating back-patching of schema types (avoiding circular imports)
[15:09] <barry> not done
[15:09] <barry>  * barry to add `pretty()` functions to reviewers docs
[15:09] <barry> not done
[15:09] <barry>  * flacoste to work on API reviewer cheat sheet
[15:09] <flacoste> not done
[15:10] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring update
[15:10]  * barry doesn't even remember who we're still mentoring
[15:11]  * al-maisan is mentored by gmb
[15:11] <barry> al-maisan, gmb how are things going?
[15:11] <barry> of course gmb isn't here, so al-maisan you can rip on him if you want :)
[15:11] <allenap> I'm mentoring abel.
[15:11] <allenap> He's brilliant :)
[15:11] <adeuring> allenap: uh, thanks !
[15:11] <barry> excellent!
[15:12] <al-maisan> I did reviews on two Mondays and these went reasonably well.
[15:12] <bigjools> allenap: so you might say he's very abel to do his job
[15:12] <barry> har har
[15:12]  * bigjools is here all week, enjoy the buffet
[15:13] <al-maisan> On some of the days I had a lot of work to do and didn't do any reviews.
[15:13] <al-maisan> I guess that somewhat of a general "problem"
[15:13] <barry> bigjools: don't forget to tip your bartenders
[15:13] <al-maisan> *that's*
[15:13] <barry> al-maisan: yep, that's the way it goes sometimes
[15:14] <barry> btw, we have some new padders who might make good mentats
[15:14] <allenap> bigjools: Oh my. Couldn't you have taken some more holiday?
[15:14] <barry> should we roust up a fresh batch of noobs?
[15:14] <allenap> bigjools: Or maybe that would make it worse :)
[15:15] <barry> :)
[15:15] <bigjools> barry: I was thinking that we have particularly good community contributions we can turn them into reviewers
[15:15] <bigjools> allenap: it can get worse? :)
[15:15] <barry> bigjools: kind of like for bzr?
[15:15] <bigjools> dunno how bzr works
[15:16]  * barry should have pinged abentley
[15:16] <bigjools> and maybe commit access when people have built up trust
[15:17] <barry> one thing though: we'll have to be careful about keeping the overall vision reins so things don't get committed that we're not cool with
[15:17] <intellectronica> i think best is to first require contributors to arrange a sponsor, and then pick good contributors to get commit access
[15:18] <bigjools> yep
[15:18] <barry> +1
[15:18] <bigjools> like I said, they'll need to build trust first
[15:19] <intellectronica> where a sponsor is someone you talk to before starting to work on something, when you get it to review and when it's time to commit
[15:20] <barry> btw, internally, i think henning, gary and noodles are available for mentoring
[15:21] <barry> but they may need a little more baking (or in noodle's case, boiling)
[15:22] <barry> well.  maybe that's it for today.  i've got nothing. shall we end early?
[15:22] <barry> 5
[15:23] <barry> 4
[15:23] <barry> 3
[15:23] <barry> 2
[15:23] <barry> 1
[15:23] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:23.
[15:23] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:23] <al-maisan> :)
[15:23] <bigjools> Thunderbirds are go
[15:23] <al-maisan> thanks barry !