* ScottK-desktop wonders if his use of irony on -devel will get recognized as such?00:45
* NCommander takes back every bad thing he's ever said about KDE04:25
NCommanderOf ever DE in Ubuntu04:25
NCommanderits the only one that DOES NOT suck with two heads04:25
ScottKDon't try Hardy.04:26
NCommanderTwo things04:27
NCommanderDoes KDE have a screen color calibatior, and second, how can get focus follows mouse?04:27
DaSkreechFocus follows mind04:30
ScottKNCommander: For the 2nd one, K -> System -> System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Focus -> Policy04:33
NCommanderI've come home ...04:35
ScottKNCommander: Does Gamma adjustment give you what you want for the first one?04:35
NCommanderYeah, that would be it04:35
NCommanderThis monitor out of caliberation, badly04:35
ScottKOK.  Got that too.04:36
ScottKNCommander: K -> System -> KRandRTray Screen Resize and Rotate, right click on it on the taskbar, click on configure display and then monitor gamma04:37
NCommanderI dunno why, but I'm even getting graphical effects now O_O;04:37
NCommanderDon't have it04:38
ScottKWhat do you have and is this Intrepid or Jaunty?04:38
NCommanderTwo screens04:39
NCommanderand I just crashed kwin :-)04:39
ScottKDunno then.04:39
* ScottK looks around for someone using Jaunty or at least 4.204:40
* vorian waves04:40
NCommanderany idea where I can get more themes for KDE?04:40
* NCommander doesn't really like the ones included04:40
DaSkreech!info krandr04:41
ubottuPackage krandr does not exist in intrepid04:41
DaSkreech!info krandr hardy04:41
ubottuPackage krandr does not exist in hardy04:41
NCommanderhold on04:41
DaSkreechScottK: What's the name of that package?04:41
ScottKIt's not a separate binary package.04:42
ScottKKRandRTray is what it's called on my menu.04:42
ScottKnixternal loves it.04:42
* nixternal kicks krandrtray04:43
ScottKIt's the one thing keeping him from going back to Vista full time.04:43
nixternalxrandr ftw!04:43
* DaSkreech hugs nixternal04:43
* ScottK waits to see nixternal do gamma correction command line.04:43
nixternaloh you ass04:43
DaSkreech!info xrandr hardy04:43
ubottuPackage xrandr does not exist in hardy04:43
DaSkreechwhat is it a part of?04:44
nixternalI don't need to do gamma correction, as I am not an artist04:44
DaSkreechScottK: Krandr is a part of X ?04:44
nixternaland when I did do gamma changes in linux in the past, well linux should have never had that functionality because it couldn't do it like mac, but did it better than winblows04:44
ScottKNo, xrandr is.04:44
NCommanderScottK, it seems its kgamma I need04:44
ScottKHmmm.  Dunno where that hides in 4.204:44
ScottKMore specifically xrandr is in x11-xserver-utils04:45
* nixternal is watching the Steve Ballmer keynote at CES04:45
NCommandernixternal, the gamma is SO far off on my LCD its pathetic04:46
nixternalhe makes me want to use a TI-81 as a computer04:46
DaSkreechCES is on?04:46
nixternalI must have a good LCD that takes care of all of that for me04:46
DaSkreech!find xrandr04:46
ubottuFound: libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, lxrandr04:46
ScottKI think it's in kdegraphics.04:48
NCommanderwould someone like to try and reproduce a bug for me?04:48
NCommanderCan you open the Add Widget menu, then try and drag a widget to the panel?04:48
NCommander(its causing a crash everything I try it here)04:48
ScottKWorks in 4.1.304:49
NCommandercan someone running 4.2 try it?04:50
LaserJockNCommander: works here on Intrepid 4.204:51
* NCommander really needs a way to fix the gamma ;.;04:51
LaserJockok, I don't get this "Show Dashboard" widget that's default04:52
LaserJockall it seems to do is shade all the non-widget things on the desktop04:53
DaSkreechDamn it04:54
DaSkreechI can't drag to the panel cause the panel autohides04:54
DaSkreechLaserJock: feel free to replace it with the show desktop one04:55
LaserJockI just don't understand what it's supposed to do04:55
LaserJockI thought it would be like the OS X dashboard where you can add widgets to it04:56
LaserJockwhich would be really handy04:56
LaserJockbut it just shows the desktop widgets04:56
LaserJockso I'm wondering if I'm missing something04:56
vorianthat's about it really04:59
NCommanderwhat's the name of the IRC client everyone been talking about with nofiications?05:01
DaSkreechLaserJock: the dashboard is a collection of widgets. By default it's the one on the desktop05:03
DaSkreech You can add widgets to it if you like05:03
LaserJockDaSkreech: so can you change it to be other than on the desktop?05:04
DaSkreechThat's the idea05:04
* NCommander can't figure out how to change the cursor acceleration05:05
NCommanderMy mouse is too slow!05:05
ScottKLet me know when you figure that one out.05:06
NCommanderScottK, you have that problem too?05:06
ScottKMind you it doesn't bug enough to really try and figure it out.05:07
ScottKGood night.05:11
NCommandernight ScottK05:12
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apacheloggerNCommander, ScottK: sysettings => mouse n keyboard => mouse => advanced => acceleration IIRC06:12
NCommanderapachelogger, that isn't it, what I need is the GNOME equivelent to sensetivity06:14
NCommanderThis works, but its ... jerky06:14
apacheloggerpointer threshold maybe?06:14
NCommanderthat's it06:15
NCommanderTHat needs a better name06:15
* NCommander just learned that the hard way06:15
apacheloggerit's 2 here06:15
NCommanderit was 4 here06:15
NCommanderwith acceleration at 206:15
NCommandernow its 9, and 206:15
NCommanderMUCH better06:15
apacheloggermaybe we fiddle with it in kubuntu-default-settings06:16
apacheloggerNCommander: I agree on the name change though06:16
apacheloggerNCommander: wanna report a bug? ;-)06:16
NCommanderMy bugs have a tendency not to move06:16
NCommanderAs a note, I finally have an ARM board that can run KDE406:16
NCommanderSo I should be able you to give you the lowdown on it06:17
* NCommander can now scroll across the 2560x1024 desktop :-)06:17
NCommanderIt's not making my intel video card happy06:18
apacheloggerNCommander: btw, please make a list of all ARM build fix bugs06:18
NCommanderapachelogger, Its on my TODO list06:18
apacheloggerNCommander: best thing is you send them to kde-devel or kde-core-devel06:18
apacheloggerboth is probably better ;-)06:18
NCommanderWell, some just moved06:18
NCommanderthe kdegraphics guy just accepted it06:18
* NCommander had to explain to him the nature of the fix and such, it was a 10 or 15 email opus06:18
* DaSkreech wants KDE 4.306:21
LaserJockhmm, I mistakenly read that as "wants KDE 3.4" and I was thinking "dude, you're a little late" :-)06:28
apachelogger3.4 was an awesome release06:32
apacheloggerI think I started using suse with 3.4.something06:32
apacheloggerand then came 3.5.0, where not only KDE was broken, but also suse :P06:33
DaSkreechyay \o/06:33
DaSkreechMore stuff to fix06:33
apacheloggeryeah, was a super fun time06:35
apacheloggernow look what happened, I switched to kubuntu, got dragged into development and now I can't even type in sensible speed because my machine is all busy with compiling and downloading and stuff06:36
jcastrotime for a new PC!06:38
jcastrothe cycle continues06:38
DaSkreechCompile only on one core :)06:41
apacheloggernext PC gets at least one SSD, that should greatly improve the time it takes to test a new KDE release :D06:41
apachelogger+ quad core06:41
apacheloggerDaSkreech: that would be inefficient :P06:42
DaSkreechI was going to say two cores but then I thought lets play it safe06:42
apacheloggerwell, all machines at $HOME are equipped with icecc, so if all are turned on I can compile with 7 cores06:43
DaSkreechI heard about a company that runs gentoo throughout and has distcc so when new updates come out the entire company becomes a packaging farm which gets dumped on a cache server06:48
apacheloggerdoing that with distcc is rather stupid IMHO though06:48
apacheloggerthe main advantage of icecc over distcc is that icecc got a scheduler and thus it's difficult to render the compile nodes unusable06:49
jussi01hi BullHorns08:40
jussi01!contribute | BullHorns08:40
ubottuBullHorns: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate08:40
jussi01BullHorns: there are loads of things to do, just depends what area you want to get involved08:41
BullHornsgood to hear, not afraid of work, first need to get the dev platform up, any suggestions08:42
BullHornsobviously not joining kernel level dev but willing to help where I can08:42
jussi01BullHorns: hrm, what kind of areas are you interested in helping out? what floats your boat? packaging?08:43
jussi01!packaging | BullHorns, you could start here08:43
ubottuBullHorns, you could start here: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports08:43
jussi01BullHorns: in which case youd want to go join #ubuntu-motu also.08:44
BullHornswhatever you think would be appropriate, if packaging is the starting point then let it be08:44
BullHornswill look at it quickly08:44
jussi01BullHorns: Im not proberly the best person to be talking to, have a chat to Riddell or some of the others in here08:45
Tm_TBullHorns: it's up to you what you like to do08:46
Tm_TBullHorns: there's always room for documentation, translation, packaging and more08:47
LureBullHorns: the best it to start with something that you personally would like to be improved08:47
LureBullHorns: this will ensure that you have enough drive to get through roadblocks ;-)08:47
LureBullHorns: that worked for me when I started ;-)08:48
BullHornsThere's alot of room everywhere, like I said, first need to get the dev platform running. will do some reading first08:50
apacheloggerTm_T: it appears to me kmail notification from within kontact work now09:21
Tm_Tapachelogger: I'm beginning my little investigations in Kontact now, addressbook contacts edition is crashy09:22
apacheloggerjussi01: btw, you should repoke pinheiro about the quassel icons09:46
jussi01apachelogger: repoke since yesterday?09:46
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Riddellkoffice to pack, everything need packaging!10:09
apacheloggerRiddell: wasn't that cancled?10:12
apacheloggernot that I hadn't uploaded it to jaunty anyway :P10:12
Riddellthere's a new one10:13
Lureanybody knows why new upload to ppa gets rejected after I deleted all packages from my ppa?10:16
Lureit still claims that source is already in the archive :-(10:16
Lureand I have to upload new source as upstream tar-ball has changed10:17
apacheloggerRiddell: should be just exchanging the tarballs I guess10:17
apacheloggerLure: maybe they are not deleted yet10:17
apacheloggerLure: can take some time to get them actually wiped ... even then I am not sure it would like the same-version-but-different-tarball upload10:18
Lureapachelogger: so the only option is then to use beta8a instead of beta810:20
apacheloggerLure: or use another PPA10:21
apacheloggerit's not like we are low on PPAs :P10:21
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HobbseeLure: they never actually 'delete'10:29
HobbseeLure: they just stop people downloading them10:29
apacheloggerdpkg-deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (3, ret=-1): cat (data): No space left on device10:45
Riddellapachelogger: which device is that?10:52
apacheloggerthe device pbuilder _was_ working on10:52
apacheloggernow I gotta rebuild kdeedu10:52
LureHobbsee: how unfortunate...12:00
HobbseeLure: indeed.12:01
Lureapachelogger: any ppa that I could abuse for test digikam upload?12:01
apacheloggerLure: kubuntu-experimental12:02
Lureapachelogger: thanks!12:02
jussi01oooh, /me wants!12:32
jussi01Lure: let me know when you are done12:33
Lureapachelogger: can you approve me for kubuntu-experimental team?12:47
Tm_TLure: no, you're so unapprovable12:47
LureTm_T: you had to tell them, ah?12:49
freeflyingRiddell: how about release lm_sc.t3g.be, lm_sc.t3g.le pydict_sc.bin.be and pydict_sc.bin.le under BSD, and others still under LGPL |CDDL12:57
Riddellfreeflying: that would work13:14
freeflyingRiddell: thanks :)13:19
apacheloggerLure: done13:27
Lureapachelogger: thanks13:37
apacheloggerRiddell: markey wishes to have an ignore button for the reboot-after-update-notification13:39
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Riddellapachelogger: is this because it's annoying him with multiple popups? (that would be a bug) or because it's very existance is annoying him13:53
apacheloggerRiddell: I would assume it just repeats too often in his opinion13:54
Riddellit shouldn't repeat at all, that's a bug13:55
Riddellit should just sit quietly in the systray after the first popup13:55
apacheloggerah, I see13:55
markeyhey all13:56
apacheloggerRiddell: <markey> apachelogger: no, mostly what annoys me a bit is the systray "reboot" icon (yellow one)13:56
apachelogger<markey> it's like a constant reminder13:56
apachelogger<markey> that you should reboot13:56
Riddellwell that's the idea, you should reboot :)13:56
markeyI don't think it's really necessary13:56
markeyunless there's a major security risk13:57
markeylike, remote attack13:57
Riddellif there's security updates installed in linux then it's a good idea to reboot13:57
markeybut this happens too often imho13:57
apacheloggermeans linux is unsecure13:57
markeymy workstation is running 24/7, even with a UPS13:57
markeyI like to reboot it as rarely as possible13:58
apacheloggerwell, you know13:58
apacheloggermarkey: wouldn't that issue pretty much disappear with KDE 4.2 and the possibility to hide tray icons?13:58
markeywould that hide all icons, or just specific ones?13:58
apacheloggermarkey: like in KDE 3 just specific ones13:58
markeyI mean, I could just select "quit" in the Update Notifier, then I would get rid of it too13:59
markeybut that's a bit drastic13:59
markeythen I would miss update notifications too13:59
Riddellso we should add a Hide option to the menu?13:59
markeyhaving a "ignore" option for the reboot thing would be great13:59
Riddell"don't show again"14:00
markeylike you suggested14:00
apacheloggermarkey: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot006.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot007.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot008.png14:01
Sputmake it distinguish between critical (security) updates and normal ones?14:01
RiddellSput: it's up to the packages when they trigger the notification14:01
Sputah :)14:01
Sputmakes sense14:01
apacheloggerSput: it's pretty much only the kernel that triggers this option and most kernel security updates are cirtical security updates anyway :P14:02
markeysuggestion: add a "Ignore Reboot" item to the context menu of the Update Notifier14:02
markeycurrently there is only "Quit"14:02
markeythat's not too crowded then14:02
Sputyes sure, markey made it sound like it would be triggered by all upgrades :)14:02
markeyheh no14:02
* Sput doesn't know kubuntu very well and just wanted to chip in an idea :)14:03
apacheloggerSput: you wan't to score a major deployment and don't even know what the end product would look like? :P14:03
ScottKAny objections to me updating quassel to a git snapshot with KDE integration enabled?14:03
markeyso basically, the reboot icon would still come up (warning me), but I could chose to ignore (hide) it temporarily14:03
* Riddell files bug 31508214:03
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 315082 could not be found14:03
ScottKSput gave me a +1 from a quassel perspective.14:03
apacheloggerScottK: ok with me14:04
Riddellbug 31508214:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315082 in update-notifier-kde "add a "Ignore Reboot" item to the context menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31508214:04
apacheloggerScottK: there is a packaging branch14:04
markeysounds good, thanks Riddell :)14:04
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks.  I did a with KDE version for my PPA already.  I'll look at the branch too.14:04
apacheloggerScottK: lp:~ubuntu-dev/quassel/ubuntu/14:05
markeybtw, I read there are some people working on a life-update technology for the kernel14:06
markeyyou could update it without rebooting14:06
* apachelogger prepares for the bug report "remove KDE foo from quassel"14:06
markeyimportant for servers, e.g.14:06
markeythat could be cool one day, if it works14:06
ScottKapachelogger: I'm considering if we should have a quassel-client-qt package.14:06
apacheloggerwell, in theory we would need quassel-qt and quassel-client-qt14:07
apacheloggerSput: do you plan to depend on more than libs at some point?14:07
Sputapachelogger: more than kdelibs?14:07
SputI don't14:08
Sputin fact, I don't plan on using more KDE features than we do now14:08
Sputat least there is nothing obvious for me we could benefit from14:08
apacheloggerScottK: does your package use the oxygen icons or the ones coming with quassel?14:08
Sputit should be using the system oxygen icons14:09
ScottKapachelogger: IIRC I used the ones that come with quassel.14:09
Sputwe'll also bump the ones we include to match upstream very soon, now that the artwork freeze is over14:09
* ScottK didn't spend a lot of time on it.14:09
apacheloggerSput: is there some reason why it should do that?14:09
Sputapachelogger: well, it saves space, mostly :)14:09
Sputand uses your KDE color theme14:09
Sputeh, icon theme14:09
Sputso if you have KDE installed anyway...14:10
Sputoh, actually, quassel disabled built-in icons if KDE is enabled14:10
apacheloggerwell, I am thinking about gnome users14:10
Sputwe enforce that :)14:10
Sputwhat does KIconLoader do in such a case?14:10
SputI mean that's what we use14:10
apacheloggeruse the kde icon set14:10
Sputit does not make any sense to integrate our own icons, because KIconLoader doesn't look into our binary anyway14:11
Sputwe could ship oxygen as a separate package and install it in $PREFIX/share/icons/oxygen of course, in which case KIconLoader would find it :)14:11
apacheloggerimagine the following scenario: default ubuntu user with gnome-only desktop wants to install quassel => ~60Mib of data to download14:11
apacheloggerkdelibs only would be ~15 IIRC, but oxygen bloats the deps14:12
Sputwouldn't KIconLoader use the Gnome icon theme then?14:12
NightroseScottK: be aware that quassel updates currently have the annoying breaking protocol habbit...   which means that if they break protocol and you have a core that is older than that you can no longer connect to it without an update14:12
apacheloggerSput: nope14:12
mok0In the file  /usr/include/c++/4.3/cstring, they now undefine all the macros in string.h to replace them with functions. However, they also undefine chrstr and chrrstr, even though there are no function for those. I think this is a bug. Do you?14:12
apacheloggerSput: the icon spec doesn't go that far ;-)14:12
Sputapachelogger: afaik it looks into XDG_DATA_DIRS14:12
ScottKNightrose: Yep.  And that would apply to everything that's currently in the archive.14:13
apacheloggerSput: yeah, but still for the icon set configured in $DESKTOP14:13
apacheloggerwhich is oxygen14:13
apacheloggerthen it would only fallback to hicolor14:13
Sputanyway, using builtin icons is not an option because we can't tell KIconLoader to look into :icons/14:13
Sputyou could take the needed oxygen subset and place it somewhere KIconLoader finds it14:13
apacheloggerSput: the shipping in separate package sounds sensible actually14:14
Sputoxy-light or something :)14:14
Sputwe don't need the svg stuff14:14
Sputit's what makes oxygen huge14:14
Riddellwe don't ship the SVGs14:14
ScottKapachelogger: I'd say just to the -qt packages and Gnomish people can use them.14:14
Sputin quassel we ship 16x16 and 22x22 afair, that has an acceptable size14:14
apacheloggerScottK: it makes things more complicated ... quassel then provides 5 binary packages14:15
Riddellif there's a qt only package what's the point of the kde one?14:15
Sputyay for USE flags :)14:15
ScottKRiddell: So you get the advantage of KDE integration.14:15
apacheloggerknotify, keyshortcuts and iconloader14:15
Sputand color theme14:15
Riddellall sounds like stuff gnome people should want :)14:15
SputQt doesn't pick up KDE's color scheme correctly in all cases14:16
ScottKRiddell: Yes, but they should be running KDE then.14:16
Sput(i.e. background color for widgets)14:16
apacheloggerSput: improved in 4.2 AFAIK14:16
* ScottK isn't going to work on it until later today, so feel free to argue it out and let me know.14:16
apacheloggerRiddell: they don't want 40Mib of icons14:16
Sputapachelogger: hmm, not at the time I did KDE integration :) I had a nice change from white to greyish with KDE enabled14:16
SputI didn't really investigate though14:17
Sput2.2M    ./22x2214:17
Sput2.1M    ./16x1614:17
Sput4.2M    .14:17
Sputthis is what we ship currently14:17
Sputprobably will grow a bit when I bump this soon14:17
Sputthen again, I don't really select the ones we need14:18
apacheloggerstill less than completel oxygen14:18
apacheloggerScottK: I think you should push the kde version for now14:18
SputI guess it could be possible to write a script that scans the source and spits out a list of the icons we really need :)14:18
ScottKI got your branch OK.14:18
apacheloggerScottK: we can discuss it at the next meeting, but I think providing a quassel-data-icons package that can be replaced by oxygen is the best thing to do14:19
apacheloggerSput: I am quite sure amarok-for-windows/mac could use that as well14:19
ScottKFor now, I'm not going to mess with it.  Whatever the use KDE flag does, is what I'll do.14:20
Sputapachelogger: makes sense... we try and keep with upstream, so our code doesn't change when switching between ours and upstream's icon set14:20
Sputthough we might be slightly outdated by now, I haven't bumped in a while14:20
Sput(and I need to put a warning in our own simple iconloader to complain about a missing icon)14:21
jussi01hrm, you super coders, how do I creat a wait in bash? ie I want it to wait a couple of seconds before issueing the next thing?14:35
apacheloggersleep $COUPLEOFSECONDS14:36
jussi01apachelogger: ahh, thanks :)14:37
apacheloggermarkey: are there known issues about rbot not saving data properly?14:40
markeyapachelogger: not that I know of14:52
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: seen bug 314684?14:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314684 in oxygencursors "kubuntu-desktop depends on and recommends 2 Oxygen White cursor themes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31468414:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: got nothing to do with oxygencursors14:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: apparently we are using the kdebase internal in jaunty, while in intrepid we had the ones from oxygencursors14:58
apacheloggeror maybe we never had the oxygencursors14:58
apacheloggerthe package should  dropped in favor of kdebase anyway14:59
JontheEchidnaperhaps we picked up oxygencursors in a merge14:59
JontheEchidna(the dependency of)14:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dependency of?14:59
JontheEchidnamaybe we picked up the dependency of oxygencursors in a merge14:59
* apachelogger is getting confused :P14:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kubuntu-desktop doesn't get merged15:00
apacheloggerlemme tell you the whole story15:00
JontheEchidnaoh, nevermind15:01
apacheloggerback in the good old days ruphy started work on the cursors, but didn't release anything, so debian introduced oxygencursors as a snapshot from ruphy's git repo15:01
apacheloggerthe I cam around and split their big monster package up into more sensible ones15:01
apacheloggerthen KDE 4.1 got the oxygen cursors add15:02
apacheloggerwe however continued to use the external version (IIRC at least)15:02
JontheEchidnaiirc we disable everything but the white cursors in base-workspace15:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: in intrepid, apparently not in jaunty15:02
JontheEchidnaoh, then oxygencursors should go bye-bye15:03
apacheloggerthat is what I said :P15:03
* apachelogger thinks the cursors shoud get their own package though15:03
apacheloggergnome users might also want to use them15:03
JontheEchidnaplus having 8 million different colors by default would be undesirable15:04
vorianapachelogger: i was tempted to add them last night15:06
vorianzion_black seemed interesting15:06
apacheloggervorian: you missed the documentation btw15:06
apacheloggervorian: that is also why I said that we need to keep not-installed more up-to-date earlier today ;-)15:07
apacheloggerall the pointless list-missing flood hinders QA15:07
voriansorry about that15:07
apacheloggerwell, can't blame you on that15:08
vorianyes you can :P15:10
apacheloggervorian: not unless you were eating kdebase all day long :P15:13
vorianseemed like it yesterday, hehe15:13
vorianbut once those cleared, it was smooth sailing15:13
apachelogger*nod* stable updates aren't that bad15:14
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ScottKRiddell: zul just uploaded msql 5.1.  It'd be hand for us if some archive admin would push it into the archive ....17:52
* ScottK returns and looks at quassel again.17:52
Riddellthat's interesting17:53
RiddellScottK: accepted into universe17:56
ScottKRiddell: Great.  I unseeded amarok to make stuff fit on the CD for the last Alpha.  What do you think about demoting it so it can build against 5.1?17:57
DaSkreechWhat's still KDE3 on the CD ?18:00
RiddellScottK: that would work temporarily, but we still want to work out a way to get amarok back into main before release18:03
Riddellknetworkmanager is also still KDE 318:03
ScottKRight.  Forgot about that one.18:03
ScottKRiddell: True, but I think better amarok2 in universe than amarok1 in main.18:03
ScottKThose being the choices that are currently available, AFAICT.18:04
apacheloggerwe could switch to xmms :P18:05
Riddellapachelogger: did you get the new amarok building?18:07
apacheloggerRiddell: yes, it isn't buildable with cmake 2.6.0 anymore18:07
Riddellah, but find in jaunty?18:07
apacheloggersee amarok pkg list for reference18:07
Riddellah, but fine in jaunty?18:08
apacheloggerRiddell: should be18:08
Riddellapachelogger: do you know when the release is?18:08
apacheloggerRiddell: calendar says saturday18:08
Riddellapachelogger: shall I demote amarok to universe and let you upload the new release tomorrow then?18:09
apacheloggerRiddell: we face a "can't add it to the CD because mysql is not in main" or a "can't add it to the CD because it is KDE 3", so I guess demoting makes sense ... though, will it have to go through the whole MIR process again?18:11
Riddellno it won't18:12
Riddellwe need to ask techboard if we can upload something like the mysql package that's in the PPAs though18:12
Riddellfor main18:13
apacheloggerRiddell: it would have to depend on mysql-server-5.1 for now18:17
apacheloggerthe packaging doesn't have an independent data package18:17
ScottKapachelogger: My quassel build log says -- Use system-installed icon theme, so I think that's OK.18:29
apacheloggerScottK: yeah, Sput said one can't even get the builtin icons with kiconloader18:30
Sputit's forcefully disabled by -DWITH_KDE=118:31
Sputwhich means, that a system-installed iconset for non-quassel icons is assumed to exist, and quassel icons get installed to our data dir18:32
ScottKSput: Is -DWITH_KDE=1 the same as -DWITH_KDE=ON?18:34
SputScottK: yes18:34
Sputit's just shorter :)18:34
ScottKOK.  Just making sure I didn't miss something.18:34
* ScottK eats chocolate while quassel builds19:10
seeleapachelogger: i'm thinking ss too.  my advisor was not impressed with the notification system and said i could do more good working on something i can get fixed, heh19:14
ScottKapachelogger: AFAICT the quassel-data package is just the icons and can be dropped now.  Is that right?19:18
* seele waves to colomar 19:21
* colomar waves back19:22
colomarAnything new on the kpackagekit-front?19:22
seelejjesse said he was working on screenshots but i dont think he's finished them yet19:22
seeleare we keeping the adept installer and just replacing the adept package manager?19:46
Riddellreplace both hopefully19:48
apacheloggerScottK: nope, it contains the application icons which are not part of oxygen19:49
Riddelleither with a separate kpacakgekit frontend or just have kpackagekit show applications only with a filter set on by default19:49
apacheloggerScottK: besides, we need to have the package for quassel.png anyway as both quassel and quassel-client come with a desktop file19:50
seeleRiddell: who is the app maintainer?  would he be able to make some changes if necessary?19:50
seeleRiddell: search needs some work, especially if it is supposed to also replace adept installer for applications19:51
seeledon't get me wrong.. it is still and improvement from adept19:51
Riddellseele: we can but ask19:51
colomarI agree with seele. Kpackagekit as it is definitely cannot replace an application installer19:51
colomarUsers just wouldn't find what they needed unless they new the application's name (which is rarely the case especially for new users given the non-telling names of most apps)19:52
ScottKOK.  Didn't take long to put back.19:53
jjessecolomar: i've been using the kpackagekit in fedora 10 and while it is slow, seems to work as well as adept did, not that i was a fan of adept19:53
jjesseand especiallyt he adept that shipped w/ intrepid19:53
seelejjesse: for packages.  the search/filtering kindof sucks so it's hard to find only applications19:53
seelebecause applications are collections of packages19:53
seelefor people who dont know how packages work, installing them can be very confusing19:53
colomarjjesse: Does it search in descriptions in fedora?19:53
jjesseseele: i would argue it seems more friendly then the intrepid version of adept19:53
jjessecolomar: i don't think so, i blew up my fedora vm and am rebuilding right now19:54
seelejjesse: sure but it's still not great19:54
jjessewas going to give screenshots to seele but broke it19:54
apacheloggerjjesse: ha, I also b0rked mine ;-)19:54
colomarjjesse: And can it filter both by name and category?19:54
jjessecolomar: don't know, can you send me your questions via email so i remember them jjesse @ gmail dot .com19:54
jjesselike i said rebuilding my fedora vm19:54
colomarIf it could search descriptions and filter both by name and category, it might work. But the current kubuntu version can't do either and thus won't help a normal user to find the app he or she needs19:55
colomarOk, I'll do that19:55
colomarjjesse: mail is out20:07
RiddellSime_: any idea what this is about? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m547896420:13
Sime_Riddell: dunno.20:18
Sime_Riddell:  sure it is not using Qt's phonon?20:20
Sime_Riddell: it needs phonon from kdesupport.20:20
apacheloggermaybe we need a more current phonon?20:21
ScottK/usr/share/apps/quassel/quassel.notifyrc or /usr/share/applications/quassel/quassel.notifyrc?20:21
apacheloggerScottK: neither20:22
apacheloggerScottK: share/kde4/apps/quassel/quassel.notifyrc20:22
apacheloggerthis is the issue I was trying to explain at the last meeting20:22
* ScottK wasn't at the last meeting.20:23
ScottKapachelogger: /usr/share/applications/quassel.desktop too or is it good?20:24
RiddellSime_: we don't have Qt's phonon at all20:24
ScottKRiddell: I thought we did?20:24
apacheloggerScottK: that one is good20:24
apacheloggerand we make KDE phonon look like Qt's as well, by linking the diretories to the Qt tree20:25
apacheloggerIIRC at least ;-)20:25
ScottKOK.  We don't.20:25
ScottKDunno what I was thinking about.20:25
apacheloggerScottK: btw, are you using kde4.mk?20:27
ScottKapachelogger: Good point.20:27
RiddellSime_: mm, looks like our phonon is too old, mediasource.h doesn't have Empty, but it does here http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/phonon/phonon/mediasource.h?revision=889770&view=markup20:27
Sime_I assume that kdesupport 4.2 is a requirement for KDE 4.2.20:28
apacheloggerRiddell: rdieter just sent the mail to the packagers list20:29
Riddellgood it's not just me then :)20:30
apacheloggerSime_: the problem is that there is no kdesupport 4.2, nor are their tarballs created by KDE I think20:31
apacheloggerRiddell: makes sense as well, I was already wondering why there is no new phonon20:31
apacheloggerthe one we have right now is from december 220:31
Sime_kdesupport is vaguely released.20:31
Sime_if at all.20:31
apacheloggerSime_: well, at times it is not at all ;-)20:31
Riddelllet's poke Vir20:31
* Riddell does so on #kde-devel20:32
* apachelogger holds backspace20:32
* Riddell starts on a phonon svn package from 4.3 branch20:40
Riddellyay, kde4bindings compiled22:07
seelecant.. wait.. for RC1..22:15
Tm_Tseele: err, it's old22:15
* Tm_T is already using 4.3 series22:15
* Tm_T hides22:15
seeleyeah, i guess neon is 4.3 now huh?22:15
Tm_TIIRC no22:16
seeleor is it not that updated.. tagging just happened the other day22:16
Tm_Ttagging was, umm, now almost a week ago?22:16
vorianthe 6th22:16
seeleTm_T: earily this week22:16
seelewhat vorian said22:17
seeleer.. earlier22:17
vorian4.1.4 was tagged on the 5th22:17
Tm_TI don't follow days, sorry22:17
vorian2 and 3 days ago22:17
Tm_Tbaby makes sure I don't know what day or time it is22:17
vorianor the other 4 kids22:18
ScottK17 year old just asks me if she can go to a movie with two of her friends tomorrow.22:20
ScottKMy response was that I thought it'd have to be chaperoned.22:20
ScottKShe, of course asks, why?22:20
Nightroseseele: neon follows trunk so it should be what is going to be 4.3 now22:20
Tm_TNightrose: it's updated?22:21
Nightrosenot sure if it was rebuild since tagging already22:21
ScottKI mention that the 3 of them have a history of not actually going to the movie (last time involved boys and beer).22:21
ScottKShe rolls eyes and leaves my office.22:21
Tm_TScottK: say "you can go if old fellow Tm_T comes with you"22:21
Tm_Ttricky way to say "no"22:21
Tm_Tanyway, sleep, good night kids ->22:21
NightroseScottK: hehe the fun of having teanagers?22:22
Nightrosenini Tm_T22:22
ScottK"Fun", not fun.22:22
RiddellI can't imagine ScottK's teenagers are any worse to keep under control than Nightrose's amarok developers :)22:25
NightroseRiddell might be right there22:25
seeleScottK: you could take her and her friends to the movie and then pick her up? or is that too much work?22:41
* seele was a good kid.. until college22:41
ScottKseele: Well the last time she was taken to the movies with these two they slipped out of the theater, got picked up by the boyfriend of one of the other girls and went off and drank beer.22:45
ScottKI don't think she'll do it again, but part of the ongoing 'punishment' for the last event is less trust from us that she'll do what she says.22:46
seelehmm.. what about her inviting her friends over and watching a movie? if her boyfriend can come and be chaperoned, surely that is a compromise22:46
ScottKYeah.  That's the kind of stuff we normally end up with.22:53
* ScottK thinks some Python/KDE ninja like rgreening or JontheEchidna ought to whip up a plasmoid that out widgets RainCT (see planet)22:54
cyril__we can speak about kdm here ?23:05
Riddellif it has to do with Kubuntu development sure23:07
cyril__may be, not sure. It is for the /etc/init/d/kdm script23:08
cyril__in bug 298592, i think that this script sould export LANG23:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 298592 in kdebase-workspace "KDM can't use language choosen in systemsettings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29859223:09
cyril__i search some idea for this23:09
RiddellKDM /should/ use the system locale, but I suspect it doesn't23:11
cyril__under *buntu, what is the reference file / configuration for locale ?23:12
Riddell/etc/default/locale for system wide23:12
Riddellmaybe just sourcing that file in /etc/init.d/kdm would help23:13
cyril__for me, yes, but for everyone ? this problem exist into 9.04 alpha23:14
Riddellcyril__: so you've tried doing that?23:15
cyril__yes, but in different way. It is imperative to export. My solution is at the bottom of the bug23:15
Riddellthat seems reasonable23:20
Riddellnow if only someone was working on kdebase-workspace to make that change23:20
* Riddell eyes up vorian :)23:20
cyril__with /etc/default/locale, it is possible to do this :23:20
cyril__while read var; do eval "export $var"; done < locale; unset var23:20
Riddell". /etc/default/locale"  should work too23:20
cyril__without export ? hum...23:21
Riddelloh aye, good point23:21
Riddellvorian: fancy putting the line from cyril__ above into kdm.init ?23:22
Riddellscore, thanks cyril__, vorian23:23
* Riddell beds23:23
vorianRiddell: no problemo23:23
voriancyril__: look for a fix soon, it won't be released for a few days23:23
cyril__if you can fil the bug 298592. Thank you very much. some work to found this.23:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 298592 in kdebase-workspace "KDM can't use language choosen in systemsettings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29859223:24
vorianthanks cyril__ :)23:27

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