[00:45] * ScottK-desktop wonders if his use of irony on -devel will get recognized as such? [04:25] * NCommander takes back every bad thing he's ever said about KDE [04:25] Of ever DE in Ubuntu [04:25] its the only one that DOES NOT suck with two heads [04:26] Wahoo. [04:26] Don't try Hardy. [04:27] Two things [04:27] Does KDE have a screen color calibatior, and second, how can get focus follows mouse? [04:30] Focus follows mind [04:33] NCommander: For the 2nd one, K -> System -> System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Focus -> Policy [04:35] Ahhhhh [04:35] I've come home ... [04:35] NCommander: Does Gamma adjustment give you what you want for the first one? [04:35] Yeah, that would be it [04:35] This monitor out of caliberation, badly [04:36] OK. Got that too. [04:37] where? [04:37] NCommander: K -> System -> KRandRTray Screen Resize and Rotate, right click on it on the taskbar, click on configure display and then monitor gamma [04:37] I dunno why, but I'm even getting graphical effects now O_O; [04:38] Don't have it [04:38] What do you have and is this Intrepid or Jaunty? [04:39] Two screens [04:39] Jaunty [04:39] and I just crashed kwin :-) [04:39] Dunno then. [04:40] * ScottK looks around for someone using Jaunty or at least 4.2 [04:40] * vorian waves [04:40] any idea where I can get more themes for KDE? [04:40] * NCommander doesn't really like the ones included [04:40] http://kde-look.org [04:41] !info krandr [04:41] Package krandr does not exist in intrepid [04:41] !info krandr hardy [04:41] Package krandr does not exist in hardy [04:41] hold on [04:41] ScottK: What's the name of that package? [04:42] It's not a separate binary package. [04:42] KRandRTray is what it's called on my menu. [04:42] nixternal loves it. [04:42] grrr [04:43] * nixternal kicks krandrtray [04:43] It's the one thing keeping him from going back to Vista full time. [04:43] xrandr ftw! [04:43] ;-) [04:43] * DaSkreech hugs nixternal [04:43] * ScottK waits to see nixternal do gamma correction command line. [04:43] oh you ass [04:43] !info xrandr hardy [04:43] Package xrandr does not exist in hardy [04:44] what is it a part of? [04:44] X [04:44] I don't need to do gamma correction, as I am not an artist [04:44] ScottK: Krandr is a part of X ? [04:44] and when I did do gamma changes in linux in the past, well linux should have never had that functionality because it couldn't do it like mac, but did it better than winblows [04:44] No, xrandr is. [04:44] ScottK, it seems its kgamma I need [04:44] Hmmm. Dunno where that hides in 4.2 [04:45] More specifically xrandr is in x11-xserver-utils [04:45] * nixternal is watching the Steve Ballmer keynote at CES [04:46] nixternal, the gamma is SO far off on my LCD its pathetic [04:46] he makes me want to use a TI-81 as a computer [04:46] CES is on? [04:46] I must have a good LCD that takes care of all of that for me [04:46] !find xrandr [04:46] Found: libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, lxrandr [04:47] Heh [04:48] I think it's in kdegraphics. [04:48] would someone like to try and reproduce a bug for me? [04:48] Can you open the Add Widget menu, then try and drag a widget to the panel? [04:48] (its causing a crash everything I try it here) [04:49] Works in 4.1.3 [04:50] can someone running 4.2 try it? [04:51] NCommander: works here on Intrepid 4.2 [04:51] Odd [04:51] * NCommander really needs a way to fix the gamma ;.; [04:52] ok, I don't get this "Show Dashboard" widget that's default [04:53] all it seems to do is shade all the non-widget things on the desktop [04:54] Damn it [04:54] I can't drag to the panel cause the panel autohides [04:55] LaserJock: feel free to replace it with the show desktop one [04:55] I just don't understand what it's supposed to do [04:56] I thought it would be like the OS X dashboard where you can add widgets to it [04:56] which would be really handy [04:56] but it just shows the desktop widgets [04:56] so I'm wondering if I'm missing something [04:59] that's about it really [05:01] what's the name of the IRC client everyone been talking about with nofiications? [05:02] quassel [05:03] LaserJock: the dashboard is a collection of widgets. By default it's the one on the desktop [05:03] You can add widgets to it if you like [05:04] DaSkreech: so can you change it to be other than on the desktop? [05:04] That's the idea [05:05] interesting [05:05] * NCommander can't figure out how to change the cursor acceleration [05:05] My mouse is too slow! [05:06] Let me know when you figure that one out. [05:06] ScottK, you have that problem too? [05:06] Yeah. [05:07] Mind you it doesn't bug enough to really try and figure it out. [05:11] Good night. [05:12] night ScottK === Daskreech2 is now known as DaSkreech [06:12] NCommander, ScottK: sysettings => mouse n keyboard => mouse => advanced => acceleration IIRC [06:14] apachelogger, that isn't it, what I need is the GNOME equivelent to sensetivity [06:14] actually [06:14] This works, but its ... jerky [06:14] pointer threshold maybe? [06:15] yeah [06:15] that's it [06:15] THat needs a better name [06:15] and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T SET IT TO ZERO! [06:15] * NCommander just learned that the hard way [06:15] it's 2 here [06:15] it was 4 here [06:15] with acceleration at 2 [06:15] now its 9, and 2 [06:15] MUCH better [06:16] :-) [06:16] maybe we fiddle with it in kubuntu-default-settings [06:16] NCommander: I agree on the name change though [06:16] NCommander: wanna report a bug? ;-) [06:16] My bugs have a tendency not to move [06:16] As a note, I finally have an ARM board that can run KDE4 [06:17] So I should be able you to give you the lowdown on it [06:17] * NCommander can now scroll across the 2560x1024 desktop :-) [06:17] hrrr [06:17] :-) [06:18] It's not making my intel video card happy [06:18] NCommander: btw, please make a list of all ARM build fix bugs [06:18] apachelogger, Its on my TODO list [06:18] NCommander: best thing is you send them to kde-devel or kde-core-devel [06:18] both is probably better ;-) [06:18] Well, some just moved [06:18] the kdegraphics guy just accepted it [06:18] * NCommander had to explain to him the nature of the fix and such, it was a 10 or 15 email opus [06:19] fun [06:21] * DaSkreech wants KDE 4.3 [06:28] hmm, I mistakenly read that as "wants KDE 3.4" and I was thinking "dude, you're a little late" :-) [06:32] 3.4 was an awesome release [06:32] I think I started using suse with 3.4.something [06:33] and then came 3.5.0, where not only KDE was broken, but also suse :P [06:33] yay \o/ [06:33] More stuff to fix [06:35] yeah, was a super fun time [06:36] now look what happened, I switched to kubuntu, got dragged into development and now I can't even type in sensible speed because my machine is all busy with compiling and downloading and stuff [06:38] time for a new PC! [06:38] the cycle continues [06:41] :-D [06:41] Compile only on one core :) [06:41] next PC gets at least one SSD, that should greatly improve the time it takes to test a new KDE release :D [06:41] + quad core [06:42] DaSkreech: that would be inefficient :P [06:42] I was going to say two cores but then I thought lets play it safe [06:43] well, all machines at $HOME are equipped with icecc, so if all are turned on I can compile with 7 cores [06:47] Nice [06:48] I heard about a company that runs gentoo throughout and has distcc so when new updates come out the entire company becomes a packaging farm which gets dumped on a cache server [06:48] doing that with distcc is rather stupid IMHO though [06:49] the main advantage of icecc over distcc is that icecc got a scheduler and thus it's difficult to render the compile nodes unusable [08:40] hi BullHorns [08:40] !contribute | BullHorns [08:40] BullHorns: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [08:41] BullHorns: there are loads of things to do, just depends what area you want to get involved [08:42] good to hear, not afraid of work, first need to get the dev platform up, any suggestions [08:42] obviously not joining kernel level dev but willing to help where I can [08:43] BullHorns: hrm, what kind of areas are you interested in helping out? what floats your boat? packaging? [08:43] !packaging | BullHorns, you could start here [08:43] BullHorns, you could start here: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [08:44] BullHorns: in which case youd want to go join #ubuntu-motu also. [08:44] whatever you think would be appropriate, if packaging is the starting point then let it be [08:44] will look at it quickly [08:45] BullHorns: Im not proberly the best person to be talking to, have a chat to Riddell or some of the others in here [08:46] BullHorns: it's up to you what you like to do [08:47] BullHorns: there's always room for documentation, translation, packaging and more [08:47] BullHorns: the best it to start with something that you personally would like to be improved [08:47] BullHorns: this will ensure that you have enough drive to get through roadblocks ;-) [08:48] BullHorns: that worked for me when I started ;-) [08:50] There's alot of room everywhere, like I said, first need to get the dev platform running. will do some reading first [09:21] Tm_T: it appears to me kmail notification from within kontact work now [09:21] good [09:22] apachelogger: I'm beginning my little investigations in Kontact now, addressbook contacts edition is crashy [09:46] jussi01: btw, you should repoke pinheiro about the quassel icons [09:46] apachelogger: repoke since yesterday? [09:49] nvm === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [10:09] koffice to pack, everything need packaging! [10:12] Riddell: wasn't that cancled? [10:12] not that I hadn't uploaded it to jaunty anyway :P [10:13] there's a new one [10:16] anybody knows why new upload to ppa gets rejected after I deleted all packages from my ppa? [10:16] it still claims that source is already in the archive :-( [10:17] and I have to upload new source as upstream tar-ball has changed [10:17] Riddell: should be just exchanging the tarballs I guess [10:17] Lure: maybe they are not deleted yet [10:18] Lure: can take some time to get them actually wiped ... even then I am not sure it would like the same-version-but-different-tarball upload [10:20] apachelogger: so the only option is then to use beta8a instead of beta8 [10:21] Lure: or use another PPA [10:21] it's not like we are low on PPAs :P === popey_ is now known as popey [10:29] Lure: they never actually 'delete' [10:29] Lure: they just stop people downloading them [10:45] dpkg-deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (3, ret=-1): cat (data): No space left on device [10:52] apachelogger: which device is that? [10:52] the device pbuilder _was_ working on [10:52] now I gotta rebuild kdeedu [12:00] Hobbsee: how unfortunate... [12:01] Lure: indeed. [12:01] apachelogger: any ppa that I could abuse for test digikam upload? [12:02] Lure: kubuntu-experimental [12:02] apachelogger: thanks! [12:32] oooh, /me wants! [12:33] Lure: let me know when you are done [12:47] apachelogger: can you approve me for kubuntu-experimental team? [12:47] Lure: no, you're so unapprovable [12:49] Tm_T: you had to tell them, ah? [12:49] ;-) [12:57] Riddell: how about release lm_sc.t3g.be, lm_sc.t3g.le pydict_sc.bin.be and pydict_sc.bin.le under BSD, and others still under LGPL |CDDL [13:14] freeflying: that would work [13:19] Riddell: thanks :) [13:27] Lure: done [13:37] apachelogger: thanks [13:39] Riddell: markey wishes to have an ignore button for the reboot-after-update-notification === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:53] apachelogger: is this because it's annoying him with multiple popups? (that would be a bug) or because it's very existance is annoying him [13:54] Riddell: I would assume it just repeats too often in his opinion [13:54] *checking* [13:55] it shouldn't repeat at all, that's a bug [13:55] it should just sit quietly in the systray after the first popup [13:55] ah, I see [13:56] hey all [13:56] Riddell: apachelogger: no, mostly what annoys me a bit is the systray "reboot" icon (yellow one) [13:56] it's like a constant reminder [13:56] that you should reboot [13:56] well that's the idea, you should reboot :) [13:56] I don't think it's really necessary [13:57] unless there's a major security risk [13:57] like, remote attack [13:57] if there's security updates installed in linux then it's a good idea to reboot [13:57] but this happens too often imho [13:57] means linux is unsecure [13:57] my workstation is running 24/7, even with a UPS [13:58] I like to reboot it as rarely as possible [13:58] well, you know [13:58] markey: wouldn't that issue pretty much disappear with KDE 4.2 and the possibility to hide tray icons? [13:58] would that hide all icons, or just specific ones? [13:58] markey: like in KDE 3 just specific ones [13:59] I mean, I could just select "quit" in the Update Notifier, then I would get rid of it too [13:59] but that's a bit drastic [13:59] then I would miss update notifications too [13:59] so we should add a Hide option to the menu? [13:59] having a "ignore" option for the reboot thing would be great [14:00] "don't show again" [14:00] like you suggested [14:01] markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot006.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot007.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot008.png [14:01] make it distinguish between critical (security) updates and normal ones? [14:01] Sput: it's up to the packages when they trigger the notification [14:01] ah :) [14:01] makes sense [14:02] Sput: it's pretty much only the kernel that triggers this option and most kernel security updates are cirtical security updates anyway :P [14:02] suggestion: add a "Ignore Reboot" item to the context menu of the Update Notifier [14:02] currently there is only "Quit" [14:02] that's not too crowded then [14:02] yes sure, markey made it sound like it would be triggered by all upgrades :) [14:02] heh no [14:03] * Sput doesn't know kubuntu very well and just wanted to chip in an idea :) [14:03] Sput: you wan't to score a major deployment and don't even know what the end product would look like? :P [14:03] Any objections to me updating quassel to a git snapshot with KDE integration enabled? [14:03] so basically, the reboot icon would still come up (warning me), but I could chose to ignore (hide) it temporarily [14:03] * Riddell files bug 315082 [14:03] Error: Launchpad bug 315082 could not be found [14:03] Sput gave me a +1 from a quassel perspective. [14:04] ScottK: ok with me [14:04] hmm [14:04] bug 315082 [14:04] Launchpad bug 315082 in update-notifier-kde "add a "Ignore Reboot" item to the context menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315082 [14:04] ScottK: there is a packaging branch [14:04] sounds good, thanks Riddell :) [14:04] apachelogger: Thanks. I did a with KDE version for my PPA already. I'll look at the branch too. [14:05] ScottK: lp:~ubuntu-dev/quassel/ubuntu/ [14:06] btw, I read there are some people working on a life-update technology for the kernel [14:06] you could update it without rebooting [14:06] * apachelogger prepares for the bug report "remove KDE foo from quassel" [14:06] important for servers, e.g. [14:06] that could be cool one day, if it works [14:06] apachelogger: I'm considering if we should have a quassel-client-qt package. [14:07] well, in theory we would need quassel-qt and quassel-client-qt [14:07] Sput: do you plan to depend on more than libs at some point? [14:07] Yeah. [14:07] apachelogger: more than kdelibs? [14:08] I don't [14:08] in fact, I don't plan on using more KDE features than we do now [14:08] ok [14:08] at least there is nothing obvious for me we could benefit from [14:08] ScottK: does your package use the oxygen icons or the ones coming with quassel? [14:09] it should be using the system oxygen icons [14:09] apachelogger: IIRC I used the ones that come with quassel. [14:09] we'll also bump the ones we include to match upstream very soon, now that the artwork freeze is over [14:09] * ScottK didn't spend a lot of time on it. [14:09] Sput: is there some reason why it should do that? [14:09] apachelogger: well, it saves space, mostly :) [14:09] and uses your KDE color theme [14:09] eh, icon theme [14:09] hm [14:10] so if you have KDE installed anyway... [14:10] oh, actually, quassel disabled built-in icons if KDE is enabled [14:10] well, I am thinking about gnome users [14:10] we enforce that :) [14:10] huh [14:10] hm [14:10] what does KIconLoader do in such a case? [14:10] I mean that's what we use [14:10] use the kde icon set [14:11] it does not make any sense to integrate our own icons, because KIconLoader doesn't look into our binary anyway [14:11] we could ship oxygen as a separate package and install it in $PREFIX/share/icons/oxygen of course, in which case KIconLoader would find it :) [14:11] imagine the following scenario: default ubuntu user with gnome-only desktop wants to install quassel => ~60Mib of data to download [14:12] kdelibs only would be ~15 IIRC, but oxygen bloats the deps [14:12] wouldn't KIconLoader use the Gnome icon theme then? [14:12] ScottK: be aware that quassel updates currently have the annoying breaking protocol habbit... which means that if they break protocol and you have a core that is older than that you can no longer connect to it without an update [14:12] Sput: nope [14:12] In the file /usr/include/c++/4.3/cstring, they now undefine all the macros in string.h to replace them with functions. However, they also undefine chrstr and chrrstr, even though there are no function for those. I think this is a bug. Do you? [14:12] Sput: the icon spec doesn't go that far ;-) [14:12] apachelogger: afaik it looks into XDG_DATA_DIRS [14:13] Nightrose: Yep. And that would apply to everything that's currently in the archive. [14:13] Sput: yeah, but still for the icon set configured in $DESKTOP [14:13] which is oxygen [14:13] then it would only fallback to hicolor [14:13] anyway, using builtin icons is not an option because we can't tell KIconLoader to look into :icons/ [14:13] you could take the needed oxygen subset and place it somewhere KIconLoader finds it [14:14] Sput: the shipping in separate package sounds sensible actually [14:14] oxy-light or something :) [14:14] we don't need the svg stuff [14:14] it's what makes oxygen huge [14:14] we don't ship the SVGs [14:14] apachelogger: I'd say just to the -qt packages and Gnomish people can use them. [14:14] to/do [14:14] in quassel we ship 16x16 and 22x22 afair, that has an acceptable size [14:15] ScottK: it makes things more complicated ... quassel then provides 5 binary packages [14:15] if there's a qt only package what's the point of the kde one? [14:15] yay for USE flags :) [14:15] Riddell: So you get the advantage of KDE integration. [14:15] knotify, keyshortcuts and iconloader [14:15] and color theme [14:15] all sounds like stuff gnome people should want :) [14:16] Qt doesn't pick up KDE's color scheme correctly in all cases [14:16] Riddell: Yes, but they should be running KDE then. [14:16] (i.e. background color for widgets) [14:16] Sput: improved in 4.2 AFAIK [14:16] * ScottK isn't going to work on it until later today, so feel free to argue it out and let me know. [14:16] Riddell: they don't want 40Mib of icons [14:16] apachelogger: hmm, not at the time I did KDE integration :) I had a nice change from white to greyish with KDE enabled [14:17] weird [14:17] I didn't really investigate though [14:17] anyway [14:17] 2.2M ./22x22 [14:17] 2.1M ./16x16 [14:17] 4.2M . [14:17] this is what we ship currently [14:17] probably will grow a bit when I bump this soon [14:18] then again, I don't really select the ones we need [14:18] still less than completel oxygen [14:18] ScottK: I think you should push the kde version for now [14:18] OK. [14:18] I guess it could be possible to write a script that scans the source and spits out a list of the icons we really need :) [14:18] I got your branch OK. [14:19] ScottK: we can discuss it at the next meeting, but I think providing a quassel-data-icons package that can be replaced by oxygen is the best thing to do [14:19] Sput: I am quite sure amarok-for-windows/mac could use that as well [14:20] For now, I'm not going to mess with it. Whatever the use KDE flag does, is what I'll do. [14:20] apachelogger: makes sense... we try and keep with upstream, so our code doesn't change when switching between ours and upstream's icon set [14:20] though we might be slightly outdated by now, I haven't bumped in a while [14:21] (and I need to put a warning in our own simple iconloader to complain about a missing icon) [14:35] hrm, you super coders, how do I creat a wait in bash? ie I want it to wait a couple of seconds before issueing the next thing? [14:36] sleep $COUPLEOFSECONDS [14:37] apachelogger: ahh, thanks :) [14:40] markey: are there known issues about rbot not saving data properly? [14:52] apachelogger: not that I know of [14:53] ok [14:55] apachelogger: seen bug 314684? [14:55] Launchpad bug 314684 in oxygencursors "kubuntu-desktop depends on and recommends 2 Oxygen White cursor themes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314684 [14:57] JontheEchidna: got nothing to do with oxygencursors [14:58] JontheEchidna: apparently we are using the kdebase internal in jaunty, while in intrepid we had the ones from oxygencursors [14:58] or maybe we never had the oxygencursors [14:59] the package should dropped in favor of kdebase anyway [14:59] perhaps we picked up oxygencursors in a merge [14:59] (the dependency of) [14:59] JontheEchidna: dependency of? [14:59] maybe we picked up the dependency of oxygencursors in a merge [14:59] * apachelogger is getting confused :P [15:00] sry [15:00] JontheEchidna: kubuntu-desktop doesn't get merged [15:00] well [15:00] lemme tell you the whole story [15:01] oh, nevermind [15:01] back in the good old days ruphy started work on the cursors, but didn't release anything, so debian introduced oxygencursors as a snapshot from ruphy's git repo [15:01] the I cam around and split their big monster package up into more sensible ones [15:02] then KDE 4.1 got the oxygen cursors add [15:02] we however continued to use the external version (IIRC at least) [15:02] iirc we disable everything but the white cursors in base-workspace [15:02] JontheEchidna: in intrepid, apparently not in jaunty [15:03] oh, then oxygencursors should go bye-bye [15:03] that is what I said :P [15:03] :P [15:03] * apachelogger thinks the cursors shoud get their own package though [15:03] gnome users might also want to use them [15:04] plus having 8 million different colors by default would be undesirable [15:06] apachelogger: i was tempted to add them last night [15:06] zion_black seemed interesting [15:06] vorian: you missed the documentation btw [15:07] vorian: that is also why I said that we need to keep not-installed more up-to-date earlier today ;-) [15:07] all the pointless list-missing flood hinders QA [15:07] ah [15:07] sorry about that [15:08] well, can't blame you on that [15:10] yes you can :P [15:13] vorian: not unless you were eating kdebase all day long :P [15:13] seemed like it yesterday, hehe [15:13] but once those cleared, it was smooth sailing [15:14] *nod* stable updates aren't that bad === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [17:52] Riddell: zul just uploaded msql 5.1. It'd be hand for us if some archive admin would push it into the archive .... [17:52] * ScottK returns and looks at quassel again. [17:53] that's interesting [17:56] ScottK: accepted into universe [17:57] awesome! [17:57] Riddell: Great. I unseeded amarok to make stuff fit on the CD for the last Alpha. What do you think about demoting it so it can build against 5.1? [18:00] What's still KDE3 on the CD ? [18:00] k3b [18:03]