[00:07] <BrianH> howdy
[00:07] <stnormal> damn...
[00:07] <stnormal> I was so close to installing kubuntu, but I had to do some repartitioning
[00:07] <stnormal> and now I can't get the installer to work again
[00:07] <george> this is not really kubuntu-specific, but how come whenever I used "wget -i FILE.txt" I get an unsupported scheme error message. it says there are no URLs in the file, but there are
[00:08] <ae88925> george: because FILE.txt is not a URL
[00:08] <BrianH> installing Kubuntu on a USB thumbdrive atm, installer is crawling *sigh*
[00:08] <george> wget -i command reads URLs from file though, no?
[00:09] <ae88925> yes, but you have to tell it that it's a file with URLs
[00:09] <stnormal> hmm... is there a way to put the kubuntu "livecd" on a thumbdrive instead? Although, I wouldn't know how to boot from it with my laptop...
[00:09] <george> how do i do that? isn't "-i" sufficient
[00:09] <ae88925> Oh, you're right
[00:09] <ae88925> what are the contents of the file
[00:09] <BrianH> stnormal, yes, I'm doing it right now
[00:10] <george> links to PDF files
[00:10] <BrianH> stnormal, err, actually I'm installing it to the thumbdrive, not the LiveCD part
[00:10] <stnormal> hmm...
[00:10] <stnormal> ahh, i see
[00:10] <BrianH> stnormal, and you can boot from a USB flashdrive by setting your BIOS to boot from it
[00:10] <ae88925> It's probably telling you that one or more of the URL's is not valid.
[00:11] <arrrghhh> so i installed 4.2 b2 yesterday... and it worked fantastic.  but now plasma (the tray) is gone... i can't run it manually either.
[00:11] <ae88925> How many lines in the file?
[00:11] <BrianH> stnormal, make sure that you dont install grub to the master boot record, unless you want grub installed on your HD
[00:11] <george> it's odd, because if i just weget that URL, no reading from file, it works. 34 lines
[00:11] <stnormal> hmm, i don't know what grub is
[00:12] <arrrghhh> !grub | stnormal
[00:12] <stnormal> I'm not quite a linux virgin, but definitely a linux noob
[00:12] <stnormal> ahh, i see
[00:12] <arrrghhh> indeed
[00:12] <arrrghhh> there's LILO also but imho it's used a lot less.
[00:12] <stnormal> yeah, I remember LILO from years back
[00:13] <ingerashu> hi everyone
[00:13] <dr_willis> THe Good/bad old days
[00:14] <stnormal> so one solution I read about to fix the buffer errors during install is to add "irqpoll" to the boot options, but I'm not sure where I need to add it. Can I add it anywhere before the -- at the end, or is there a specific spot it needs to go?
[00:14] <ingerashu> can anyone help me with this problem
[00:14] <ingerashu> i have ubuntu 8.10 and i play counter strike using wine
[00:15] <ingerashu> i have no lag but it runs lilke i have
[00:15] <ingerashu> how can i make it run smoother?
[00:15] <arrrghhh> use a native os to run it.
[00:16] <ingerashu> not an option
[00:16] <ingerashu> i only have ubuntu
[00:16] <arrrghhh> dual boot
[00:16] <ingerashu> dont want to install back xp
[00:16] <arrrghhh> i have a clean CLEAN windows xp installs for games only
[00:17] <ingerashu> so there is no solution?
[00:17] <arrrghhh> well there may be
[00:17] <arrrghhh> but this is not the room to ask for that type of help
[00:17] <ingerashu> why?
[00:17] <arrrghhh> uhm, look at the name of the channel.
[00:17] <ingerashu> kubuntu
[00:17] <arrrghhh> yea
[00:17] <arrrghhh> not wine or cs...
[00:17] <arrrghhh> or whatever
[00:18] <ingerashu> well i run cs in wine, which is in ubuntu
[00:18] <ingerashu> :))
[00:18] <arrrghhh> wine is not 'in' ubuntu.
[00:18] <ingerashu> its a feature
[00:18] <arrrghhh> yes, that's third party essentially
[00:19] <stnormal> what does sr0 stand for?
[00:19] <stnormal> in terms of the devices
[00:19] <stnormal> is it the first sata device?
[00:20] <arrrghhh> those are usually hdx or sdx...
[00:20] <stnormal> hmm
[00:20] <arrrghhh> and it's normally three letters
[00:20] <arrrghhh> like sdb - sdb1, sdb2...
[00:20] <stnormal> I turned off the quiet parameter for the installer
[00:21] <stnormal> and my I/O errors follow "Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]"
[00:21] <stnormal> sr0
[00:21] <arrrghhh> soooo is there any way i can run plasma manually?  i don't get it.  i restarted X - everything seems to run OK but no plasma.
[00:22] <ae88925> stnormal: sr0 is a symlink to scd0 which is the first scsi CD drive (or SATA, it seems)
[00:22] <stnormal> hmm
[00:23] <stnormal> ok, that makes sense then... so if my dvd drive and the kubuntu installer don't get along, what are some options for installing kubuntu on my laptop?
[00:23] <arrrghhh> usb stick
[00:23] <arrrghhh> netboot
[00:24] <stnormal> netboot might work, i know kubuntu is fine with my network adapter
[00:24] <arrrghhh> it's not easy to setup
[00:24] <stnormal> but i don't think my laptop has any options to boot from anything but the hdd or the dvd drive (i looked through the bios)
[00:24] <arrrghhh> i've been trying to get a pxe server running on my server...
[00:24] <arrrghhh> unless the laptop is like 7 years old
[00:24] <stnormal> nah, it's brand new
[00:25] <arrrghhh> i'd bet dollars for donuts it can pxe boot.
[00:25] <stnormal> pxe?
[00:25] <arrrghhh> netboot?
[00:25] <stnormal> i see
[00:25] <arrrghhh> tftp
[00:25] <arrrghhh> nfs
[00:25] <arrrghhh> pxe
[00:25] <stnormal> well, i'll have to do some googlin' to figure out how
[00:25] <arrrghhh> there's a lot of services it depends on
[00:26] <stnormal> the boot menu only has the two options, and the bios is ridiculously sparse
[00:26] <arrrghhh> and like i said, i've tried on mine.  i haven't been able to figure out all the idiosyncrasies
[00:26] <stnormal> I see
[00:26] <arrrghhh> yea laptop bios' usually suck.
[00:26] <stnormal> is there any way to boot from a cd and then tell it to install from a USB drive?
[00:26] <arrrghhh> you can't boot from a usb stick?
[00:26] <arrrghhh> have you had one plugged in while in the bios?
[00:27] <stnormal> not as far as I could tell, but I'll give it a shot soon
[00:27] <arrrghhh> pretty much any new laptop i've used can boot from usb
[00:27] <arrrghhh> what kind is it?
[00:27] <stnormal> HP
[00:27] <jerkface> hello, i noticed that some of the vim help files are not installed. how do i add :help iccf and :help uganda? why wouldn't they be included by default?
[00:27] <jerkface> 8.0.4.1 by the way
[00:27] <stnormal> hmm
[00:28] <arrrghhh> jerkface, i don't think vim is part of ubuntu!
[00:28] <stnormal> well, the installer seems to be working right now
[00:28] <stnormal> so i'm going to keep my fingers crossed that it survives throughout the install
[00:28] <arrrghhh> is it?
[00:28] <jerkface> really arrrghhh?
[00:28] <jerkface> i must have installed it myself then :-?
[00:28] <arrrghhh> ok it is
[00:29] <arrrghhh> lol i always used nano
[00:29] <arrrghhh> at least it is on mine
[00:30] <jerkface> probably i need to install vim-full
[00:30] <arrrghhh> yea i didn't even realize ubuntu shipped with vim... i guess any linux distro does huh
[00:31] <arrrghhh> it's part of the kernel :P
[00:31] <jerkface> i think part of the Unix spec says you have to have some form of vi
[00:31] <arrrghhh> probably
[00:31] <jerkface> not that linux is unix
[00:31] <dr_willis> Posix specs? :)
[00:31] <arrrghhh> it's unix-like, get it right
[00:31] <arrrghhh> haha
[00:32] <dr_willis> even busybox has a vi mode/option
[00:32] <stnormal> that's kind of cool that the liveCD doesn't even touch to the HDD until you decide to install
[00:33] <dr_willis> I always keep a swap partition of about 512mb setup on every machine i own.. even the windows only ones.. just in case i need to use a Linux Live cd. ;) they can see/use the swap parttion
[00:33] <arrrghhh> that's the point mestinks.
[00:33] <stnormal> good idea
[00:33] <stnormal> does linux benefit from a lot of swap even when there's a lot of ram in the system?
[00:34] <arrrghhh> so my windows seem to be creating off screen... or larger than my screen.. but the resolution & panning are set correctly... the taskbar seems to be missing, but maybe it's below my viewing area for some reason?
[00:34] <ae88925> stnormal: for regular desktop use, I'd say no.  It's more about the applications you run than the O/S
[00:34] <BrianH> stnormal, depends on what you're doing
[00:34] <arrrghhh> linux *should* only swap when it needs it.  ie runs out of ram.
[00:34] <stnormal> ahh
[00:34] <arrrghhh> or as you start approaching the running out of ram point.
[00:35] <arrrghhh> there's a "swappiness" setting in sysctl.
[00:35] <stnormal> unlike windows, where if you turn off the swap file you actually improve the performance because the memory manager is too dumb to use up ram before it starts to touch the swap
[00:35] <arrrghhh> but if you turn off the swap file
[00:35] <arrrghhh> and you run out of ram....
[00:35] <arrrghhh> or pagefile i should say.
[00:35] <stnormal> yeah...
[00:35] <stnormal> I turned off the pagefile on my XP machine with only 2GB of ram, and haven't ever run into an issue
[00:36] <arrrghhh> that's good.  just don't try to run too much in parallel lol
[00:36] <stnormal> my CPU would bottleneck that
[00:36] <stnormal> it's only got an athlon 64 in it
[00:36] <BrianH> woo hoo, my kubuntu install is almost done . . . 2 hours later.
[00:36] <arrrghhh> eh you get enough apps running... you could eat that 2gb of ram.
[00:37] <stnormal> i need to go meet some friends at the bar, but my ubuntu install is only about 30% done...
[00:37] <stnormal> I wonder if it's safe for me to leave it
[00:37] <arrrghhh> damnit i want to know where the heck my taskbar went!  and why windows seem to be creating off the screen partially.
[00:37] <eelriver> Or leave a memory sieve open long enough
[00:37] <khakane> stnormal: i dont htink it will blow up or anything ;)
[00:37] <arrrghhh> probably not.
[00:37] <BrianH> arrrghhh, check the monitor settings?
[00:37] <stnormal> true... but I've never opened up task manager and seen more than a few hundred MB being used
[00:38] <stnormal> granted, I've never opened it up while I was playing a game
[00:38] <stnormal> but still...
[00:38] <arrrghhh> BrianH, i did.  resolution & panning is set both to 1440x900.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> the mouse stops at the bottom of the screen like it should...
[00:38] <BrianH> hmm, dunno then, KDE?
[00:38] <arrrghhh> alt-f1 doesn't bring up the menu either
[00:39] <arrrghhh> i thought that key combo should.
[00:39] <BrianH> I'm just starting back into the linux scene, so I'm really laying down the WD-40 on the rusty bolts
[00:40] <BrianH> I otherwise use OSX, which isn't much differen
[00:40] <BrianH> just more expensive ;)
[00:40] <ae88925> BrianH: the price is much different ;)
[00:40] <BrianH> indeed
[00:40] <ae88925> beat me to it
[00:41] <BrianH> it's a nice glorified BSD system tho
[00:41] <arrrghhh> i don't like the interface...
[00:41] <BrianH> and the 30" HD cinema display is juicy :)
[00:41] <arrrghhh> but it is pretty damned stable.
[00:42] <arrrghhh> i just wish jobs wasn't such a prick about stealing code
[00:42] <ae88925> That's obscene.  I'm jealous.
[00:42] <arrrghhh> and being completely open about how he does it.
[00:42] <BrianH> ae88925, I want a 2nd one :)
[00:42] <BrianH> arrrghhh, stealing code from?
[00:42] <arrrghhh> yea when i set it to a lower resolution it still fills the screen and then some seemingly.  plasma does not seem to be running at all.
[00:43] <ae88925> BrianH: what is the resolution on that monstrosity?  My 24" is 1920x1200
[00:43] <arrrghhh> BrianH, the bsd project!  he openly wrote "haha thanks for the code suckers!" essentially.
[00:43] <BrianH> ae88925, shitty, 1200x800
[00:43] <arrrghhh> lol my 17" is 1920x1200
[00:43] <arrrghhh> and my 42" is 1920x1080 :D
[00:44] <BrianH> yeah, I think something is wrong somewhere, but I don't mind.  The size makes up for it.
[00:44] <arrrghhh> haha
[00:44] <arrrghhh> that's what she said?
[00:44] <BrianH> heh, nice
[00:45] <arrrghhh> this screen issue is really bothering me tho.  seems to me like a wacky 4.2 b2 bug, that's the only major thing that's changed lately.
[00:45] <BrianH> damnit, installer seems stuck at 94%, "Configuring hardware..."
[00:46] <BrianH> aaah, there we go :)
[00:47] <BrianH> it better not be installing grub to the mbr . . . *sigh*
[00:48] <BrianH> the whole reason I installed to the thumbdrive is so I can take it places
[00:49] <arrrghhh> if you picked create a usb thumb install or whatever
[00:49] <arrrghhh> it shouldn't install grub
[00:49] <BrianH> well that's dumb, this article says it will prompt me where to install grub http://principialabs.com/usbuntu-installing-kubuntu-on-a-usb-drive/
[00:49] <BrianH> but it didn't
[00:50] <arrrghhh> i don't know if kubuntu has the same installer as the normal ubuntu...
[00:50] <BrianH> well it's @ 96%, maybe it'll ask me when it's done
[00:50] <Turbomammoth> I mgiht have a lil problem :) , I just installed Kubuntu 8.10, and as I had some "static" problems in my screen, I tried a lot of different setings...
[00:50] <BrianH> Turbomammoth, define "static" problems
[00:51] <Turbomammoth> Static effects, like the olde screen used to have prior to better days power supplies
[00:51] <BrianH> ah
[00:52] <Turbomammoth> Or commonly known as "bad ground"
[00:52] <Turbomammoth> BUT, my REAL problem appeared when I went to play with the "Effects" of the display.
[00:52] <BrianH> what does the noise look like?
[00:52] <Turbomammoth> Now, all is black, and I can't do shite.
[00:53] <arrrghhh> do you have the restricted drivers for your card installed?
[00:53] <BrianH> blocks?
[00:53] <BrianH> oh, that sucks
[00:53] <Turbomammoth> I mean, I see the poiter, but it's all.
[00:53] <Turbomammoth> pointer*
[00:53] <Turbomammoth> Anybody have an idea?
[00:54] <BrianH> can you boot to the cli?
[00:54] <Turbomammoth> Brian, I'm a newb as neewb can be.
[00:54] <Turbomammoth> What's a cli?
[00:54] <arrrghhh> ctrl-alt-f1 Turbomammoth
[00:54] <BrianH> cli = command line interface
[00:54] <Turbomammoth> Cool, I have that
[00:55] <Turbomammoth> Thanks Brian
[00:56] <Turbomammoth> Si, I've logged on using the cli... what now :) ?
[00:56] <BrianH> brb, I gotta fix this first
[00:57] <Turbomammoth> No prob
[00:59] <BrianH> damnit, the installer finished and it installed grub to the mbr, now I'm getting an "Error 21" message and ESC isn't bringing me to the grub menu
[00:59] <qcjn>  what's KonquerorecQ5ha, is it an application to wor on web page ??
[01:00] <BrianH> I had a suspicion it installed grub to the mbr cause it never asked me where to install it
[01:00] <Turbomammoth> Bad thing I guess?
[01:00] <dr_willis> I always put grub on my mbr
[01:01] <BrianH> dr_willis, I'm installing it on a thumbdrive so I can take it from computer to computer
[01:01] <BrianH> any way to remove it from the mbr?
[01:02] <dr_willis> BrianH,   I use either unetbootin, or that ubuntu usb-drive tool for that.
[01:02] <dr_willis> a thumbdrive normally uses syslinux I thouight.. but i guess it can use grub
[01:03] <BrianH> I was followin this article: http://principialabs.com/usbuntu-installing-kubuntu-on-a-usb-drive/
[01:04] <arrrghhh> yea every thumbdrive i use i had to put syslinux on it.  i haven't tried the new ubuntu thumb drive installer, i love the idea tho.
[01:04] <dr_willis> arrrghhh,  it worked for me.. but i had to do some manual tweaking to get it to use the Nvidia drivers properly
[01:04] <arrrghhh> that's cool.  definitely a nifty feature.
[01:04] <BrianH> thumbdrive installer?  I'm just installing it normally right to the thumbdrive.  this won't work?
[01:05] <arrrghhh> BrianH, no.
[01:05] <dr_willis> BrianH,  it can.. but may not be ideal
[01:05] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:05] <dr_willis> and it may take some tweaking
[01:05] <arrrghhh> out-of-the-box no.  sounds like that ubuntu installer in the livecd works well tho.
[01:05] <arrrghhh> can't get much more out of the box than that haha.
[01:06] <arrrghhh> so what can i do to even troubleshoot this plasma/screen problem?  i restarted X to no avail.
[01:07] <arrrghhh> hrm and when i turn on my 2nd monitor the cursor is just an X...
[01:08] <Turbomammoth> arrrghhh, is there a "restore to default" command?
[01:08] <arrrghhh> Turbomammoth, in what sense?  there's dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:09] <Turbomammoth> As my install is brand new, I guess it would be simpler for me to restore all to default than to begin to fiddle in the box
[01:10] <arrrghhh> well what changed?  did you install the restricted drivers for your vid card or what?
[01:10] <Turbomammoth> so, would the reconfigure -a work for me?
[01:10] <arrrghhh> uh probably not.  probably a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:10] <arrrghhh> i think
[01:10] <Turbomammoth> Nah, I just went and played (bad idea) in the built-in screen effects
[01:11] <Turbomammoth> Transparence and such
[01:11] <arrrghhh> you can't use the built-in screen effects w/o installing a restricted driver
[01:11] <arrrghhh> well
[01:11] <arrrghhh> i guess the intel cards *may* work w/o a restricted driver.
[01:11] <Turbomammoth> Lol, now I'll know
[01:12] <ae88925> My laptop has intel GPU (if you can call it that) and effects work with free driver.
[01:12] <arrrghhh> no 3d acceleration w/o the restricted driver
[01:13] <arrrghhh> ae88925, intel's drivers are oss
[01:13] <arrrghhh> hence why i mention intel :P
[01:13] <ae88925> Figured I'd add to the confusion.
[01:13] <arrrghhh> nice.
[01:13] <arrrghhh> gonna restart x brb
[01:14] <maxmahem> speaking of crashes, Kontact is crashing for me on launch. Though I can still run K-mail.
[01:18] <BrianH> aaah, I see now, I started a fresh install again and at step 6 theres an "advanced" button I overlooked, where grub installs
[01:18] <prometheus77> i just got a new harddrive from ebay how do i redover the files on it
[01:18] <dr_willis> you mean recover?
[01:19] <dr_willis> Why would you want to recover someone else files. :) that may or may not even be on there..
[01:19] <BrianH> he must want their porn
[01:21] <prometheus77> yes
[01:21] <prometheus77> i want all of their files
[01:21] <prometheus77> how2help me
[01:22] <dr_willis> I would say time google on filesystem recovery i guess..
[01:24] <BrianH> I hope they were smart and ran several passes of formatting on it
[01:25] <sehven> installed my grapixcard driver, still desktop cube wont work
[01:28] <sehven> can anyone help me with desktopcube?
[01:32] <maxmahem> sehven: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[01:32] <sehven> asus 256mb ati..
[01:33] <sehven> asus a9550ge
[01:33] <sehven> cheap one
[01:33] <sehven> cant get desktop cube to work since install
[01:33] <sehven> and updates
[01:35] <sehven> any ideas?
[01:35] <maxmahem> You probably just need to enable it. Disable any other desktop switching applications and enable desktop wall.
[01:35] <maxmahem> Then you are going to need enough desktops to make a cube.
[01:36] <maxmahem> excuse me, enable desktop cube. I think you can configure the keys there as well.
[01:36] <bazhang> !ccsm
[01:37] <catphin> hey
[01:37] <sehven> already installed ccsm
[01:37] <sehven> even wobble in ccsm dont work for me
[01:37] <SiVA_> how can I tell what kind of video card is installed
[01:37] <bazhang> sehven, ask in #compiz-fusion
[01:38] <sehven> max, i have to turn off all desktop switching apps? like alt + tab functions?
[01:38] <sehven> oki siva
[01:38] <SiVA_> sehven: oki ?
[01:39] <sehven> sorry >,<
[01:39] <sehven> bazhang i mean
[01:54] <BrianH> anyone know if the livecd will run faster from a thumbdrive then the CD?
[01:54] <BrianH> the CD crawls on my system
[02:00] <Turbomammoth> Define crawl?
[02:03] <Roey> Hello
[02:03] <faileas> heya roey
[02:04] <Roey> I'm using Kubuntu 8.10, and I noticed there's no 'scanner' kernel module.  I plug in my scanner (which has worked in previous kernels) and the system just sees it as a regular full-speed USB device (and not as a scanner which xsane can detect).  What gives??
[02:04] <Roey> hey faileas,  long time no see
[02:05] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[02:06] <Roey> Dr_willis: does this have to do with the scanner?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> No it has to do wih me needeing to reinstall grub :)
[02:06] <Dr_willis> and not rembering the link.
[02:07] <Roey> oh ok
[02:07] <szrhawaii> Dr_willis can i configure the kdmrc file in kate and not do anything else and will that file still be in effect or is there a certain way to conifgure that file
[02:08] <Dr_willis> szrhawaii,  configrue it to do what exactly? There are (under kde3 at least) some kdm config tools tha tlet you set most of the settings in there.. for others you had to edit the config
[02:09] <szrhawaii> the one in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[02:09] <szrhawaii> and im just trying to configure the color code
[02:10] <szrhawaii> actually i want to change out the color scheme it has
[02:10] <szrhawaii> with something thats not on the list
[02:11] <Dr_willis> ive never messed with the colors. try editing it.. restart the kdm service. and see if changes take effect I guess..
[02:11] <Dr_willis> be sure to backup the config :)
[02:12] <szrhawaii> do you know where the file is sourcing the color schemes from cause i noticed it has stuff like honeycomb and obsidien and stuff
[02:13] <Dr_willis> if its using the old standard from YEARS and years back color names.. theres some x11color text file that defines them
[02:13] <Dr_willis> i recall googling for x11 color names, and finding a few nice lists of them all.
[02:13] <szrhawaii> where is that file in here
[02:13] <Dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names
[02:14] <Dr_willis> somewhere in /etc/ i recall.
[02:14] <szrhawaii> cause i see it on the kdmrc and in the login manager but not in any other file source
[02:14] <szrhawaii> ill try etc
[02:14] <Dr_willis> X11 R6 rgb.txt 1.1 (1994), 1.2 (2005, excl. 96 aliases)
[02:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:14] <Dr_willis> try locate rgb.txt
[02:14] <szrhawaii> ok
[02:14] <Dr_willis> http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/*checkout*/xc/programs/rgb/rgb.txt?rev=1.1
[02:14] <Dr_willis> 255 239 213		papaya whip
[02:17] <Dr_willis> I really have to wonder where they got the names for the colors.. :)
[02:17] <Dr_willis> 'lets walk through the grocery store and look for things that match these colors!'
[02:18] <szrhawaii> yeah i tried a search like that
[02:19] <szrhawaii> to find the color source files but it came up empty handed
[02:19] <szrhawaii> whats the command to tell terminal im a superuser its kdesudo right
[02:19] <Dr_willis> locate rgb.txt
[02:19] <Dr_willis> /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt
[02:19] <Dr_willis> o_o
[02:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:19] <Roey> hiiiiiiiiiiiii.  Why does this bug still exist in Ubuntu 8.10 for X86_64?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/211569
[02:20] <Dr_willis> kdesudo is normally used to launch a gui app as the superuser
[02:20] <szrhawaii> ok
[02:20] <szrhawaii> how do i tell it to make the session a superuser
[02:20] <Dr_willis> sudo -s
[02:20] <Dr_willis> to get a root shell.
[02:21] <szrhawaii> ok
[02:21] <szrhawaii> i liked my other terminal in kde 3
[02:22] <szrhawaii> it had the option to just click whatever session i wanted instead of typing it
[02:25] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: you can do that here as well if you like
[02:26] <szrhawaii> how come this standard terminal doesnt have the same options in the gui as the other one in kde 3
[02:26] <maxmahem> You could also make a launcher that you could drag your apps to to launch via sudo.
[02:26] <szrhawaii> how do i do that DaSkreech
[02:27] <Dr_willis> konsole in kde4 has changed in some ways  compared to the one in kde3
[02:27] <Dr_willis> You could make new sessins  that do things like that if you wanted
[02:27] <szrhawaii> yeah i liked the kde 3 one
[02:27] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: In the profiles sesction I beleive
[02:28] <szrhawaii> which one is the standard root one
[02:28] <szrhawaii> i see a few of them but not the root
[02:29] <Dr_willis> make one that runs 'sudo -s' perhaps :)
[02:29] <szrhawaii> in the other one i had a python a root and a standard
[02:30] <Dr_willis> combine a usb thumbdrive with bluetooth adaptor.   yea.. thats it...
[02:30] <lovre> hi all
[02:30] <Dr_willis> oops wrong channel :)
[02:30] <szrhawaii> ill figure it out later
[02:30] <lovre> is there a plasmoid to check my mail account every few minutes?
[02:33] <maxmahem> lovre: You can have k-mail run in the system tray and it will do it.
[02:33] <maxmahem> Or Kontact.
[02:36] <DaSkreech> lovre: I saw one
[02:37] <lovre> DaSkreech: i suppose you dont remember the name
[02:38] <DaSkreech> lovre: Mailbox?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> lovre: kmail can do that for you though
[02:42] <lovre> DaSkreech: ok, thank you
[02:43] <lovre> DaSkreech: i found  this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=75194&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=cae
[02:43] <lovre> DaSkreech: im not sure how to install it
[02:47] <DaSkreech> lovre: What version of KDE are you using?
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hola
[02:48] <ubuntu_> hola a todos
[02:48] <DaSkreech> hi
[02:48] <DaSkreech> !es
[02:48] <ubuntu_> HOLAAAAAAA
[02:50] <juanantonio> ubuntu, pincha ubuntu-es
[02:50] <juanantonio> o kubuntu-es
[02:50] <lovre> DaSkreech: 4.1.3
[02:53] <sehven> how do i restore konsole in menu?
[02:53] <sehven> sorry for messing it
[02:55] <sehven> how do i restore konsole in menu?
[02:56] <DaSkreech> lovre: Errrm Not sure. 4.0 and 4.1 don't work the same way
[02:56] <DaSkreech> It says tested on 4.0 you may want to e-mail the authour and ask if they updated it for 4.1 they can tell you how to install it if so
[02:56] <DaSkreech> sehven: What do you mean?
[02:57] <sehven> well send terminal to desktop
[02:57] <sehven> then removed it
[02:57] <sehven> now its not in desktop nor menu
[02:57] <DaSkreech> You sent the terminal to desktop ?
[02:57] <sehven> panel can have shortcut for konsole
[02:57] <DaSkreech> How did you do that?
[02:57] <sehven> yes as shortcut
[02:58] <sehven> forgot, ryt clik send to desktop or draged it
[02:58] <sehven> how do i restore it to menu?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> sehven: Which version of KDE are you using?
[02:59] <sehven> 4.1
[03:00] <maxmahem> anyone lend a hand getting a webcam to work.
[03:01] <maxmahem> Seems to be quite an ordeal.
[03:02] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[03:04] <sehven> how do i restore kosole to menu?
[03:04] <sehven> konsole
[03:04] <Turbomammoth> Okay... serious help needed, tried all I could find, now I'm just depressed.
[03:05] <Turbomammoth> !antidepressant
[03:05] <Turbomammoth> :P
[03:05] <nazareno> tem brasileiros ai
[03:06] <Turbomammoth> Anybody knows A LOT about displays?
[03:06] <maxmahem> Well I'm on the supported list (I have a Webcam Quickchat 092c) and I've run easycam, but no joy.
[03:08] <Xpert> i need to install a acrobat reader for linux ? which is the package to download ?
[03:09] <crimsun> Xpert: you'll need to add the medibuntu repository and install the acroread package
[03:09] <crimsun> Xpert: instructions for adding the repository and installing the package are on the wiki
[03:09] <Xpert> add the medibuntu repository ? what is this ?
[03:10] <Xpert> crimsun:  apt-get said that acroread doesnt exists
[03:10] <Xpert> is another name
[03:11] <crimsun> Xpert: please see http://www.medibuntu.org/
[03:11] <Xpert> ok
[03:11] <Xpert> and the package where i see ─?
[03:11] <crimsun> please follow the directions for adding the repository
[03:12] <crimsun> then you can use adept/apt-get/aptitude to install the "acroread" package
[03:15] <hatoyu> crimsun: acroread is not a opensource software
[03:16] <juliano> hi
[03:16] <crimsun> hatoyu: yes, and...? (i was addressing Xpert's "i need to install a acrobat reader for linux")
[03:16] <DaSkreech> sehven: You can right click and use the menu editor to add it back
[03:17] <DaSkreech> !br
[03:17] <hatoyu> crimsun: goto adobe.com install acrobat for linux
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Xpert: Why do you need acrobat ?
[03:17] <crimsun> hatoyu: it's not my question; tell Xpert.
[03:17] <DaSkreech> !ask | Turbomammoth
[03:18] <hatoyu> crimsun: maybe i misunderstanding
[03:18] <crimsun> hatoyu: i think you may be
[03:19] <Xpert> |DarkSmoke|: to see a tutorial of Kubuntu
[03:19] <Xpert> its in pdf format
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Xpert: Okular can open it
[03:19] <Xpert> crimsun:  the adept doesnt find the package
[03:19] <juliano> ubottu, do you speak portuquese?
[03:19] <Xpert> juliano:  #ubuntu-br
[03:19] <Xpert> entra la
[03:19] <crimsun> Xpert: you would need to have added the proper medibuntu repository
[03:20] <Xpert> i ve entered that website crimsun but i dont know what to install
[03:20] <crimsun> Xpert: in any case, there likely is Free software that can open your presentation
[03:20] <Xpert> there are several sources there
[03:20] <Turbomammoth> DaSkreech, okay this one's for you. I've just installed Kubuntu V8.10 on mah laptop (quite recent). When I first installed, I had a "noise" in my screen (which later resolved iself), but I tried to FIX it. And I played in the display settings. Now, my screen is black and I can't see shoit
[03:20] <DaSkreech> !ohmy
[03:22] <Xpert> ?
[03:22] <Turbomammoth> Anyway, thanks a bunch.
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Turbomammoth: Ok back again. can you tell me what video card?
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Oh :(
[03:31] <sehven> how do i unload compiz?
[03:31] <Xpert> i need to install ark
[03:31] <Xpert> but adept doenst search it
[03:31] <Xpert> ???
[03:31] <Xpert> what to do
[03:31] <Dr_willis> !info ark
[03:31] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: terminal, apt-get install ark
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Xpert: Adept is a little broken right now
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Xpert: Follow jimmy51_home
[03:33] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: i gave up on my nvidia card for now
[03:33] <jimmy51_home> i think the integrated video + nvidia card was too much
[03:34] <jimmy51_home> (too much for linux to handle without me becoming a kernel module and xserver conf wizard, anyway)
[03:37]  * mr--t- thinks he will need a sudo with that
[03:37] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: What were you trying to do?
[03:37] <jimmy51_home> the wife is going to have to deal with lame integrated graphics until i get her a pci card that is better supported
[03:37] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: i was trying to use an FX5200 instead of the onboard graphics
[03:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. what would cause a  dmesg error -->   [150587.576056] usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[03:37] <Xpert> nobody knows ?
[03:38] <Xpert> i need the name of the package of acrobat reader for install
[03:38] <Xpert> anyone ?
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> the drivers kubuntu wanted to use failed, the driver from nvidia.com failed, and i ended up giving up
[03:38] <Dr_willis> Im watcihng some vidoes  on a machine.. and every so often it hangs.. for a few sec.. and i notice that message in 'dmesg'
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: you can search at the terminal
[03:38] <craver_> just download the binary from Adobe
[03:38] <craver_> sudo apt-cache search acrobat
[03:38] <Dr_willis> I though medibuntu had the acrobat reader pacakges
[03:38] <Xpert> jimmy51_home:  my apt-get dont support search atribute
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> Xpert:  if you want to find say, firefox.... you would run "apt-cache search firefox"
[03:38] <Xpert> i dont know why
[03:38] <Dr_willis> acroread - Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer
[03:38] <craver_> apt-cache
[03:38] <Xpert> ive tryied this already
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> Xpert:  apt-cache search, not apt-get
[03:39] <Dr_willis> It pays to learn the commands. :)
[03:39] <Xpert> ok
[03:39] <Dr_willis>  apt-cache search acrobat
[03:39] <Xpert> whats the difference ?
[03:39] <Xpert> ok
[03:39] <Dr_willis> one searches.. :)
[03:39] <Dr_willis> one dosent.
[03:39] <craver_> :)
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> so.... apt-cache search acrobat to search
[03:39] <Dr_willis> !apt
[03:39] <Xpert> ok
[03:39] <craver_> apt-cache searches your local cache
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> and if it shows up as acrobat-reader, to install you would run "sudo apt-get install acrobat-reader"
[03:40] <craver_> so if it might be out of sync you might want to do a apt-get update
[03:40] <jimmy51_home> sudo runs it as an admin
[03:40] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: What's wrong with it?
[03:40] <Xpert> appeared several packages
[03:41] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: with the stock driver, i enabled the restricted driver, restarted, and X didn't load.  i was stuck with text and had to go to CTRL ALT F5 to do anything
[03:41] <craver_> install the one that matches your environment
[03:42] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: are you trying to install a PDF viewer?
[03:42] <Dr_willis> acroread - Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer
[03:42] <Dr_willis> !info acroread
[03:42] <Dr_willis> its a medibuntu package Im pretty sure
[03:42] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: if you are, kubuntu already hasone.... okular
[03:42] <Xpert> jimmy51_home:  yes
[03:42] <Xpert> ty
[03:42] <Xpert> i ll see
[03:43] <Xpert> jimmy51_home:  in mine it isnt configurated...
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: it's under K->Graphics
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Xpert: you don't have okular?
[03:43] <Xpert> sorr
[03:43] <Xpert> yes it have
[03:43] <mr--t-> could he use kpdf?
[03:43] <Xpert> but where is it ,?
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> Xpert: K->Graphics->Okular
[03:43] <craver_> opt/kde-nightly/bin/okular
[03:43] <craver_> on mine
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> (as in.... click the K button, select graphics, and click on okular
[03:44] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: What was the error?
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> or run it from the terminal as craver_ just said
[03:44] <DaSkreech> mr--t-: kpdf is dead
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: i don't remember...  i remember a seg fault
[03:44] <jimmy51_home> tons o' numbers
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Ugh
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> DaSkreech: and at that point.... i gave up
[03:45] <Xpert> if its installed why wheni downloaded the file .pdf it asked for search the program to open ?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Xpert: your filetypes need looking at
[03:45] <Xpert> i cant see where is okular in the K menu
[03:45] <craver_> sudo apt-get install okular
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> make sure you have it
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Xpert: click the file when it asks type in okular and press enter
[03:45] <Dr_willis> You did install kubuntu 8.10 ?
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> apt-cache policy okular
[03:45] <Xpert> craver_: its installed
[03:45] <Xpert> ok
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> then click on the K button, then click on graphics
[03:46] <jimmy51_home> then click on Okular PDF viewer
[03:46] <craver_> in 4.2 it's just called Document Viewer
[03:46] <Xpert> now i saw ty
[03:46] <jimmy51_home> ah, i always set for classic menu
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> the new one is very boggy to me
[03:47] <nonewmsgs> kmail somtimes works great and sometimes it tells me there's no mail when there is
[03:47] <craver_> how do i get classic view?
[03:47] <craver_> i don't like the gigantic menu in 4.2
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> craver_: right click on it
[03:47] <jimmy51_home> (make sure widgets are unlocked, right click on the K button, and there should be something that says switch to classic)
[03:48] <Xpert> which is the okular path ?
[03:48] <jimmy51_home> (OR.... remove the K menu widget and add a classic K menu widget in it's place)
[03:48] <craver_> ah.. thanks
[03:48] <craver_> so much better
[03:48] <jimmy51_home> yeah
[03:49] <jimmy51_home> that was a deal break for KDE4 and me
[03:49] <DaSkreech> nonewmsgs: i does intermittent checks I think
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Xpert: /usr/bin/okular
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Xpert: you can find the path by the command which
[03:49] <nonewmsgs> i try to do force check and it still gives me no love
[03:50] <DaSkreech> so <which okular>
[03:50] <jimmy51_home> well, my pacers are approaching the 4rth quarter and dunleavy's back.  i better get in there and watch
[03:50] <jimmy51_home> good night fellas
[03:51] <maxmahem> okay, I think I have buggered up my webcam configuratino somehow, any hints on how to fix it?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> maxmahem: how buggered?
[03:52] <maxmahem> well it doesn't work, but the documentation indicates it should.
[03:52] <maxmahem> I think sudo possibly ran out in the middle of an install script.
[03:53] <maxmahem> I got a lot of message about how it couldn't write to a read only disk.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> maxmahem: Which disk /
[03:53] <DaSkreech> ?
[03:54] <DaSkreech> And sudo doesn't run out
[03:54] <DaSkreech> linux doesn't work like that
[03:54] <maxmahem> I'm guessing its the only reason I could figure I got the message I got.
[03:55] <maxmahem> I don't recall the directory, but the config script gave me a lot of errors while it was trying to rm files and dev new ones (or something like that).
[03:55] <Dr_willis> use 'sudo -s' and run the script from there...
[03:55] <maxmahem> It flew by real fast.
[03:55] <Dr_willis>  script  > script.log  :)
[04:02] <maxmahem> ok figured out what the error was.
[04:03] <maxmahem> I was apt-getting camstream and when it went to create video4linux special files in /dv/video* it instead said "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
[04:03] <maxmahem> Every command after that failed.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:05] <maxmahem> rm, mknod, makedev, all failed due to a Read-only file system
[04:05] <maxmahem> do I need to remove it, chmod that directory to readable, and tryagain?
[04:06] <maxmahem> er writeable
[04:06] <Dr_willis> depends on the filesystem.. and what else is going on
[04:06] <Dr_willis> I dident think one normally used mknod much these days.. or makedev
[04:07]  * maxmahem shrugs.
[04:07] <stnormal> I've got a pretty newbish linux question...
[04:07] <Dr_willis> I was thinking  mos tof the time when a module gets loaded.. the proper /dev/ entries should be created as needed
[04:08] <stnormal> I just downloaded a flash player installer (I avoided the .deb one since there's not an x64 version, and just grabbed the tar.gz one). I extracted the files, but I can't figure out how to actually install it
[04:08] <DaSkreech> stnormal: Ask it
[04:08] <DaSkreech> stnormal: What are the files in there?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> is there a README file ?
[04:09] <stnormal> the files are flashplayer-installer (looks like C code), and libflashplayer.so
[04:09] <stnormal> I'm guessing the installer is some kind of script, but I dont' know how to run it
[04:10] <DaSkreech> stnormal: What's the installer ?
[04:10] <DaSkreech> the name of the file
[04:11] <stnormal> that's the name of the file
[04:11] <stnormal> flahsplayer-installer
[04:11] <Dr_willis> I have no issues with using the flash from the kubuntu-restricted-extras package on my 64bit machine.
[04:11] <DaSkreech> stnormal: ok good
[04:11] <stnormal> hmm
[04:11] <Dr_willis> so its not 64bit.. big dea. ;)
[04:11] <stnormal> well, if it will work with firefox, I don't care
[04:11] <stnormal> how do I install it?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> from the terminal cd into the directory
[04:11] <DaSkreech> then type sh flashplayer-installer
[04:11] <stnormal> k
[04:11] <maxmahem> I'm thinking maybe I need to figure out what is making udev active, stop it, and try again.
[04:11] <stnormal> ahh, that'll work
[04:11] <stnormal> that's what i was looking for :)
[04:11] <stnormal> thanks
[04:12] <maxmahem> Won't the i386 code not work if he's running 64 bit kubuntu?
[04:12] <maxmahem> !udev
[04:12] <stnormal> yeah, this one didn't install either
[04:12] <maxmahem> Darn, neither do I.
[04:12] <Dr_willis> maxmahem,  i hear there is 64bit flash in beta testing.. but not tried it.
[04:13] <stnormal> i was talking to a friend earlier who said he could just recompile a lot of 32bit packages and they would work even if distributed binaries didn't
[04:13] <DaSkreech> stnormal: try ./flashplayer-installer if it's executable
[04:13] <stnormal> oh, no, it worked DaSkreech, but it told me that it was incompatable with my hardware
[04:14] <maxmahem> Dr_willis: Thats what I heard as well, its one of the main reasons I went for i386 instead of 64.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Oh. Oh dear
[04:15] <maxmahem> hmm... messing around with udev seems to be something way beyond my comfort level.
[04:15] <stnormal> Dr_willis: Do you use firefox? I just want flash content to work in firefox. If the kubuntu-restricted-extras package installs firefox extensions, I'll just use it
[04:17] <Armagguedes> hey
[04:17] <DaSkreech> !hi
[04:17] <Armagguedes> is there a client that works well with kubuntu to connect to other computers running some variant of ubuntu?
[04:17] <Dr_willis> stnormal,  i install kubntu, i enable medibuntu, i install kubuntu-restricted-extras  and flash worked...
[04:17] <Armagguedes> remote desktop stuff
[04:17] <Dr_willis> Not sure if medubuntu is needed :) but i always enable it
[04:17] <stnormal> hmm
[04:17] <craver_> i'm using Firefox 3 on Ubuntu 8.10 x86_64 with KDE 4.2 and i've got Flash and JRE working fine.
[04:18]  * Dr_willis seconds craver_ 's statement
[04:18] <stnormal> i don't know how to do any of that stuff. I should find a tutorial
[04:18] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[04:18] <Dr_willis> enable medibuntu = takes 2 min.
[04:18] <Dr_willis> medibuntu has codecs and other bits you proberly want
[04:18] <maxmahem> !krdc
[04:18] <Dr_willis> 'kubuntu-resticted-extras' i think will grab flash, java, and other bits like fonts and stuff
[04:18] <stnormal> ahh, i see
[04:19] <maxmahem> Armagguedes: there is krdc, which is a remote desktop client, I haven't tried it out myself though.
[04:19] <stnormal> well, it doesn't look like my audio hardware is working
[04:19] <stnormal> so I have to figure that out first
[04:19] <Armagguedes> i see
[04:19] <stnormal> i get sound, but it repeats like it's skipping
[04:19] <Armagguedes> do you know if it works with ubuntu or xubuntu?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:20] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:20] <maxmahem> I'm sure it will work on ubuntu if you install it overe there with the necessary kde libs.
[04:20] <Armagguedes> ok
[04:21] <Armagguedes> also, how do you update from 8.04 to 8.10?
[04:21] <maxmahem> sudo apt-get install krdc should do it.
[04:21] <Armagguedes> do-release-upgrade -d > this is for jaunty
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Armagguedes: what are you trying to do?
[04:22] <Armagguedes> i'm erasing jaunty alpha2
[04:22] <Armagguedes> too slow
[04:22] <Armagguedes> so i'm going back to 8.04, but i have no CDs left to burn 8.19
[04:22] <Armagguedes> *.10
[04:25] <stnormal> nice
[04:26] <stnormal> so, can you guys recommend a good tutorial for someone who's new to linux, but is reasonably good at figuring things out?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> !upgrade | Armagguedes
[04:29] <craver_> what are people using for email... Evolution (Outlook Connector) won't work with our Exchange 5.5 server :(
[04:30] <maxmahem> kmail
[04:30] <stnormal> do people use konquerer?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> stnormal: Umm. What do they want to learn
[04:30] <craver_> i've never used konquerer
[04:30] <DaSkreech> stnormal: I do. Don't know if that helps
[04:30] <stnormal> i was just curious. It seems ok, but I love firefox
[04:31] <DaSkreech> I know
[04:31] <Armagguedes> DaSkreech, cheers mate
[04:31] <maxmahem> I have been trying to, but subtle things about its interface keep putting me off.
[04:31] <DaSkreech> damn you firefox and your extensions
[04:31] <stnormal> anyhow, I'm just feeling a bit overwhelmed by linux
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Armagguedes: You don't need krdc on Ubuntu
[04:31] <DaSkreech> You just need a Server
[04:31] <stnormal> but I need/want to use it
[04:32] <DaSkreech> craver_: look into Openxchange
[04:32] <stnormal> and it'd be nice if I could find some good resources to go to before just asking people for help
[04:32] <DaSkreech> stnormal: hang around here is a good tip
[04:32] <buckethead> stnormal: The easiest way is just to wallow in it and ask questions. Google helps too.
[04:32] <stnormal> i see
[04:32] <DaSkreech> You pick up thigns from other people breaking stuff and you have easy access to people who are probably intereted in the same things you are
[04:32] <buckethead> Over time you'll start to understand the architecture and what is going on. (Think the matrix, Eventually you just see blonde, redhead, etc..)
[04:32] <stnormal> hmm
[04:33] <stnormal> makes sense
[04:33] <buckethead> I think i've been working with linux for 15 months now, I'm starting to wade into bash and ruby scripting to solve a program. I'm sure these guys are having a good chuckle as I crash into every beginner program ever invented, but i've learned alot so far.
[04:34] <craver_> was using Zimbra but our CEO had problems with his calendar syncing. before i had a chance to fix it I was forced to install Exchange :(
[04:34] <buckethead> solve a problem, not a program.. sorry.
[04:34] <stnormal> alright, so where would I start in trying to diagnose what's wrong with my sound? I looked at the hardware compatability chart, but it wasn't listed yea or nay
[04:34] <stnormal> and i don't see anything like a device manager
[04:35] <DaSkreech> craver_: Booo Get it working with Zimbra on the stealth
[04:35] <buckethead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting <- its for ubuntu, but its a good start.
[04:35] <DaSkreech> buckethead: crash into every beginning program ? :)
[04:35] <DaSkreech> !sound
[04:36] <DaSkreech> stnormal: check if your hardware is muted. That happens sometimes
[04:36] <maxmahem> Or if your speakers are unplugged!!! I was going mad trying to figure mine out until I realised that...
[04:36] <stnormal> nah, it plays sound, but it just plays the first half a second over and over again
[04:36] <DaSkreech> maxmahem: Whooot!
[04:36] <buckethead> DaSkreech: Crash into every moron mistake.. find * in f doesn't work!
[04:37] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[04:37] <wizardslovak> !mp3
[04:37] <Armagguedes> if i have 3GiB ram (4GiB actually but 1GiB is not addressed -32bit system), how much swap do i need to make the system hibernate?
[04:38] <buckethead> stnormal: onboard sound?
[04:39] <stnormal> yeah, it's a laptop
[04:39] <wizardslovak> well swap should be twice i believe
[04:40] <buckethead> Hm. The suggestion of swapping sound cards won't work then, eh?
[04:40] <stnormal> nah
[04:40] <stnormal> well, in the audio settings it apparently detects the right hardware
[04:41] <stnormal> is there any way to check to see if there's a more up to date driver or something?
[04:41] <wizardslovak> i am getting error "no propriwtary drivers are in use on this system" and show my graphic card, when i click "Activate" nothing happens, what should i do?
[04:41] <buckethead> Does the source of the sound matter? (amarok, firefox, games, kopete, etc?)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Armagguedes: 1/2 that
[04:42] <stnormal> it doesn't seem like it
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Armagguedes: Old skool rule of thumb is twice your RAM shoudl be your swap. It bottoms out about 2GB though. if you want to be sure then 3 Gb Or 3.5
[04:43] <stnormal> that's part of the reason i was trying to get flash installed, so i could listen to stuff in firefox
[04:43] <stnormal> hmm, now amarok isn't even making any noise
[04:44] <Armagguedes> i can't afford a lot of space tho
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Armagguedes: I would guess 2GB would be ok
[04:44] <Armagguedes> hm ok
[04:44] <Armagguedes> thanks mate
[04:45] <DaSkreech> hi sehven
[04:45] <sehven> elo das
[04:45] <sehven> got prob :p
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Of course you do
[04:45] <sehven> neither kwin or compiz is working
[04:46] <DaSkreech> sehven: you started kwin ?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> sehven: tpe kwin --replace
[04:46] <sehven> i get error
[04:46] <buckethead> stnormal: What do you get in response to 'sudo alsamixer'
[04:47] <sehven> x error (error: bad request[1]
[04:47] <stnormal> a mixer opens
[04:47] <stnormal> it looks fine to m
[04:47] <sehven> same goes for compiz -replace
[04:47] <stnormal> so how do i install the kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[04:48] <buckethead> nothing is muted? levels are ok? (That step was mainly to ensure that alsa could find your sound card)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:48] <sehven> panels not working T_T
[04:48] <stnormal> yeah
[04:49] <stnormal> hah, i just missed the install
[04:49] <stnormal> but yeah, nothing's muted, levels are ok
[04:49] <sehven> what do i do now?
[04:49] <buckethead> So what happens if you run alsamixer without the sudo?
[04:50] <stnormal> err, hold on a sec
[04:50] <stnormal> i suppose i could open a second konsole
[04:50] <maxmahem> You can open another tab on konsole
[04:50] <maxmahem> Quite a nice feature.
[04:50] <stnormal> same thing as when i used sudo
[04:50] <stnormal> exactly the same
[04:51] <buckethead> You aren't going to want to hear this.. I'm out of supergood ideas.
[04:51] <maxmahem> I don't think you should have to be root to run alsa mixer
[04:51] <DaSkreech> sehven: logout press ctrl+E then login
[04:52] <buckethead> maxmahem: If there is a permissions problem in /dev/snd...
[04:52] <maxmahem> ah, well maybe then, I honestly know very little, I only try to contribute the little bit I know.
[04:53] <maxmahem> I have a feeling I'm mere keystrokes away from messing up my own /dev myself.
[04:53] <buckethead> There may or may not be a benefit to 'sudo apt-get remove --purge alsa-base' I would hold off on that unless someone else thinks its a good idea.
[04:53] <buckethead> Yeah, I'm vaguely amazed I haven't crashed more.
[04:54] <stnormal> well, I had this sound problem most of the time when I was using the liveCD
[04:54] <maxmahem> Okay is there a way to back-up /dev before I try and run a chmod to make the whole thing writeable?
[04:54] <crimsun> stnormal: please run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[04:54] <buckethead> Is your laptop reasonably common? Has anyone else reported trouble or lack thereof on your model?
[04:54] <Armagguedes> how is KDE4.2beta2 working in intrepid?
[04:55] <stnormal> I have an HP dv4 series, but i couldn't find any info about it for any distro
[04:55] <craver_> anyone here using a Belkin N1 Vision access point?
[04:55] <maxmahem> pretty good over here. A lot of nice improvements to the pannel.
[04:55] <wizardslovak> hej
[04:55] <stnormal> kubuntu was friendly with my network adapters, so I chose to install it
[04:55] <maxmahem> and other aspects of the plasma system.
[04:55] <g_> anyone know when the kernel update is expected to drop?
[04:55] <wizardslovak> i am getting error "no propriwtary drivers are in use on this system" and show my graphic card, when i click "Activate" nothing happens, what should i do?
[04:56] <Armagguedes> ok good
[04:56] <Armagguedes> thanks maxmahem
[04:57] <stnormal> that alsa-info.;sh didn't work
[04:58] <stnormal> it said alsa-info.sh: 285: [[: not found
[04:58] <crimsun> stnormal: you need to run it using bash
[04:58] <stnormal> ahh
[04:58] <maxmahem> Oh, crimsun have every told you you are the man? Cause you are. You rock dued.
[04:59] <wizardslovak> how do i make dcube work?
[04:59] <mooglinux> running a 2.2ghx athlon64 and having some slight hesitation here and there on the neon nightlies. is that kde being buggy or is my proccessor finally underpowered?
[04:59] <mooglinux> tho i will say that things are definatly snappier on the 4.2 beta than in 4.1
[05:00] <maxmahem> Might just be the those nightlies, don't the debut stuff slow you down?
[05:00] <stnormal> crimsun: Isn't that what I'm doing when I type "sh [filename]"?
[05:00] <maxmahem> It's very snappy over here on a similar system.
[05:00] <stnormal> into a terminal, i mean
[05:01] <DaSkreech> g_: Kernel Update?
[05:01] <crimsun> stnormal: no, you're telling it do use /bin/sh, which is /bin/dash not /bin/bash
[05:01] <crimsun> to use*
[05:01] <stnormal> oh, i think i get it
[05:01] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: It's in KDE 4.2
[05:01] <stnormal> there we go
[05:02] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: Nightlies have debug turned on by default they are probably writing out logs
[05:02] <wizardslovak> i just installed kubuntu so i believe its 4.1
[05:02] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: read the topic
[05:02] <stnormal> gah...
[05:03] <wizardslovak> DaSkreech: which topic?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: here in the IRC chan
[05:04] <mooglinux> so how would i disable debugging? since im not savvy enough to make use of the logs anyway
[05:05] <wizardslovak> well sorry for noob question but i dont see any
[05:05] <maxmahem> Not sure, it might require a recompile.
[05:05] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: Doesn't matter if you can. If something crashes the logs will be sent for the bug report
[05:05] <crimsun> stnormal: it should have generated a url.
[05:05] <DaSkreech> The people reading it can use it very well
[05:05] <stnormal> yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to get the URL over here
[05:05] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: type /topic
[05:05] <mooglinux> so just using it and doin nothing else and im providing feedback?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> If something breaks yes
[05:06] <stnormal> .ubuntu.ocm/102023
[05:06] <stnormal> err, paste.ubuntu.com/102023
[05:06] <stnormal> my keyboard seems to be acting kind of wonky
[05:07] <mooglinux> would it be better to use the packages from the kubuntu experimental repo or the neon nightlies?
[05:07] <crimsun> stnormal: your 'PCM' is zeroed.
[05:07] <stnormal> I wasn't sure what PCM was, so I left it at zero
[05:08] <crimsun> stnormal: if you'd like sound to be audible, you don't want it to be zeroed.
[05:08] <wizardslovak> in ubuntu faq there is no word about dcube
[05:09] <maxmahem> mooglinux: I'm running that over here at it seems pretty good. Though I am eagerly awaiting the RC 1 release which should be out pretty soon now I think.
[05:09] <stnormal> alright, i'm still running into the same problem now... audio skips and then stops playing
[05:09] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: Depends on what you want
[05:09] <crimsun> stnormal: can you be more detailed in your description of the symptom?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> stnormal: PCM is wav it's what makes sound
[05:09] <stnormal> well...
[05:09] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: What's Dcube ?
[05:10] <stnormal> it's like the first quarter second of the sound file just keeps repeating a couple times a second
[05:10] <wizardslovak> when you change desktops it looks like cube
[05:10] <bazhang> !cube
[05:11] <mooglinux> plasma has that too now
[05:11] <wizardslovak> well i have some problems with my graphic card
[05:11] <maxmahem> only in 4.2
[05:11] <wizardslovak> i cannot activate it
[05:11] <maxmahem> I don't think its in 4.1
[05:12] <mooglinux> tho the only ways it seems to allow you to activate it is by a screen edge... prolly should offer more ways to activate the effects
[05:12] <maxmahem> there is a keyboard command scripted to it by default umm..
[05:13] <maxmahem> ctrl+f11
[05:13] <wizardslovak> i was looking for that keyboard command
[05:13] <maxmahem> it you just want to show it off or something.
[05:13] <wizardslovak> it doesnt work
[05:13] <mooglinux> mmm, no go, guess its not set
[05:13] <wizardslovak> ctrl+f11
[05:14] <maxmahem> wizardslovak: you need to either upgrade to 4.2 or install compiz fusion, head over to #compiz-fusion for help with that.
[05:14] <wizardslovak> i am there but noone answers
[05:14] <crimsun> stnormal: hmm
[05:15] <crimsun> stnormal: does the sound continue to act up in such a manner?
[05:15] <stnormal> well, the only thing i've been able to test it on are the sounds that play when kubuntu loads or shuts down
[05:15] <stnormal> and the demo file that comes with amarok
[05:16] <stnormal> one time on the livecd the sound DID work right when I was shutting down
[05:16] <stnormal> but I have no idea what was different
[05:16] <crimsun> stnormal: could you add `dmesg' output to pastebin?
[05:17] <mooglinux> that does remind me. my previous track key does not work with amarok now
[05:17] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: are you on KDE ?
[05:17] <wizardslovak> yes
[05:17] <DaSkreech> What version ?
[05:18] <wizardslovak> sorry  mand i just migrated from suse
[05:18] <wizardslovak> well i believe its 4.1
[05:18] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: No issues :)
[05:18] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: in any app that is not konversation do help -> about KDE
[05:19] <wizardslovak> well its says "k desktop enviroment Release 3.5.10"
[05:19] <stnormal> is there an easy way to copy the output from a konsole to the clipboard?
[05:20] <mooglinux> why does kde override the hardware numlock? bios sets it as on at boot but kde ignores that and treats it as off, even tho the keyboard light is on
[05:20] <qcjn> i 've changed to Ubuntu, i wanted to changed some things with kate, and it says error, something about utf-8 to iso??something
[05:21] <qcjn> in kde
[05:21] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: That is NOT konversation :)
[05:21] <wizardslovak> nah i used help from kaffeine player
[05:22] <DaSkreech> stnormal: highlight it, paster it or redirect it to a file
[05:22] <maxmahem_> stnomral: copy and paste?
[05:22] <stnormal> there's no "select all" kind of function?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> qcjn: what's the error?
[05:22] <mooglinux> i think it depends on what program you ask. conquerer tells me im on 4.1.96, but amarok 2 says 4.1.3
[05:22] <DaSkreech> stnormal: not particularly
[05:22] <stnormal> h
[05:22] <stnormal> ahh
[05:23] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: Oh. Umm I guess not kaffiene either then :)
[05:23] <stnormal> i'm going to have to figure out how to disable the click on my touchpad
[05:23] <stnormal> that's starting to get annoying
[05:23] <qcjn> don't remember exactly, but it sid it can't save, like can't utf-8 to iso something
[05:23] <maxmahem_> type kwin -v that should tell you.
[05:23] <wizardslovak> ok now i used konqueror and its "kde 4.1.3"
[05:24] <mooglinux> run "kwin -v"
[05:24] <mooglinux> like maxmahem_ said
[05:24] <wizardslovak> kde 4.1.3 kwin 3.0
[05:24] <wizardslovak> qt 4.4.3
[05:25] <stnormal> paste.ubuntu.com/102026/
[05:26] <maxmahem_> Yeah, the cube isn't in that version of kwin, if you want it you need to instal compiz.
[05:27] <wizardslovak> ok so i am learning ubuntu command "apt-get install compiz"??
[05:28] <wizardslovak> right or wrong?
[05:28] <mooglinux> prolly want compiz-fusion
[05:28] <maxmahem_> or compiz-kde
[05:29] <maxmahem_> and you should probably pick up ccsm as well, in fact there is a nice 'desktop effects' package in adept that will do it all for you.
[05:29] <wizardslovak> so what command should i use
[05:29] <mooglinux> you want ccsm, definatly
[05:29] <mooglinux> sudo apt-get install compiz-kde ccsm
[05:30] <wizardslovak> "couldn't find package ccsm"
[05:30] <mooglinux> just get compiz-kde then
[05:30] <maxmahem_> it's called up compiz-configuration-setting-manager or something IIRC.
[05:30] <craver_> compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:30] <maxmahem_> google it.
[05:31] <crimsun> stnormal: try this:
[05:31] <craver_> sudo apt-get install desktop-effects-kde compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:31] <crimsun> stnormal: echo options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:31] <mooglinux> compiz-settings-manager probably. it was renamed from ccsm
[05:31] <crimsun> stnormal: after that, you'll need to reboot
[05:31] <craver_> may want to add fusion-icon and emerald also
[05:32] <craver_> although the emerald-themes seem to be gone :(
[05:32] <maxmahem> yeah that aplet that lets you switch managers is a good idea, compiz doesn't always play nice with kde.
[05:32] <stnormal> k, i'll let you know how it worked...
[05:32] <wizardslovak> craver_:  ok install complete
[05:32] <wizardslovak> now what?
[05:32] <mooglinux> theres a couple emerald themes kicking around. im using one now since i havnt found a metacity theme with semi-transparent decorations
[05:33] <craver_> run ccsm
[05:33] <maxmahem> It should be on your menu now as well.
[05:34] <wizardslovak> ok i got it
[05:34] <wizardslovak> in desktop section i enabled desktop cube and rotate cube
[05:35] <maxmahem> mooglinux: are you having any problems running compiz with kde? because it messed up my window decorations.
[05:35] <maxmahem> and I'm getting a package conflict preventing me from installing compiz-kde now as well.
[05:35] <wizardslovak> but i stil dont know where or which are keyboard commands or keys for it
[05:36] <maxmahem> the key commands for it are listed in there in ccsm where you configure it. You can configure those as well.
[05:36] <mooglinux> ive never used compiz on kde, just under gnome
[05:36] <stnormal> no luck, crimsun
[05:37] <craver_> all the keyboard commands can be found in ccsm
[05:37] <craver_> you can also create your own
[05:37] <mooglinux> messing up the window decorations is common under gnome too. you have to change the window decorater. metacity --replace or some similar command
[05:37] <crimsun> stnormal: sudo sed -i 's/position_fix=2/position_fix=1/' /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:37] <crimsun> stnormal: afterward, reboot again
[05:38] <Daskreech2> wizardslovak: Ha ha they got you to install compiz?
[05:38] <wizardslovak> yes
[05:39] <wizardslovak> now i am looking for key to rotate
[05:39] <Daskreech2> mooglinux: metacity is the window manager
[05:39] <craver_> center mouse key for me
[05:39] <Daskreech2> wizardslovak: alt+ctrl+left/right
[05:39] <craver_> make sure you make your desktop size 4 instead of 2
[05:40] <craver_> then you can unfold it too
[05:40] <wizardslovak> where to change desktop size?
[05:40] <stnormal> hmm
[05:40] <craver_> under general
[05:41] <mooglinux> im actually starting to see why kde wanted their own compositer instead of compiz lol
[05:41] <craver_> General --> Desktop Size
[05:41] <wizardslovak> horizontal or vertical?
[05:41] <Daskreech2> mooglinux: Compiz is horrible
[05:41] <wizardslovak> horizontal i changed to 4  vertical is 1
[05:41] <Daskreech2> wizardslovak: that works
[05:41] <craver_> yep
[05:41] <mooglinux> its improved alot. used to require sacrifices at the full moon. it is a troublemaker tho
[05:42] <wizardslovak> right/left you mean byt arrows?
[05:42] <Daskreech2> mooglinux: It's not a product it's a lab
[05:42] <craver_> yes, a couple years ago it was hell to setup
[05:42] <Daskreech2> wizardslovak: yes
[05:42] <craver_> you had to have exactly the right video chipset
[05:42] <wizardslovak> doesnt work
[05:42] <maxmahem> meh, kde's compitising isn't perfect. I'm still getting odd white boxes painted on my screen (trailing my focus) from time to time.
[05:43] <maxmahem> wizardslovak: seriously, go to #compiz-fusion they can help you with all that.
[05:43] <wizardslovak> ok i know what might be problem
[05:43] <wizardslovak> at the begining i saw that my graphic card wasnt activated
[05:43] <Daskreech2> not running compiz ? :)
[05:43] <Daskreech2> oh ok
[05:43] <wizardslovak> i clicked on active and nothing happened
[05:44] <wizardslovak> maybe i should download/update video driver?
[05:44] <mooglinux> probably
[05:44] <maxmahem> The hardware updater is your best bet, but it can be kind of flaky at times.
[05:44] <stnormal> hmm... now kubuntu isn't loading
[05:45] <maxmahem> it might take it a couple tries to get it installed, and you will have to reboot x afterwards.
[05:46] <wizardslovak> ok downloading and installing driver
[05:46] <wizardslovak> lets see what happens
[05:47] <stnormal> alright, it looks like I still have the same problem
[05:47] <wizardslovak> error" a fatal error occured.aplication KMix crashed and caused the signal 6 (sigabrt)"
[05:48] <wizardslovak> i will restart pc and will see
[05:48] <wizardslovak> be back
[05:49] <crimsun> stnormal: ok, did you change the position_fix= parameter? if so, what did you change it to?
[05:49] <mooglinux> isnt the 2.28 kernel sopposed to have some nice new features?
[05:50] <stnormal> i typed in exactly what you had up there
[05:51] <crimsun> stnormal: ok, sec
[05:51] <wizardslovak> ok back
[05:52] <wizardslovak> ok now i see my card is activated
[05:53] <crimsun> stnormal: sudo sed -i 's/position_fix=1/probe_mask=5/' /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:53] <crimsun> stnormal: (reboot, as per usual)
[05:53] <wizardslovak> well ctrl+alt+right/left doesnt work
[05:54] <mooglinux> try middle clicking, the mouse wheel
[05:54] <stnormal> should it be echoing anything back to me after I'm typing these things in?
[05:55] <rahmad> hi
[05:55] <crimsun> stnormal: not the sed commands, which are done "in place" (hence the -i)
[05:56] <stnormal> i see
[05:56] <mooglinux> most commands dont say anything if they complete successfully
[05:56] <Agent_bob> stnormal the sudo "could ask for passwoed"  but the sed -i will edit the file silently
[05:56] <Agent_bob> err sorry crimsun beet me to that
[05:56] <rahmad> some body, help me!
[05:57] <rahmad> i have problem to  install flash plyaer for my web browser
[05:58] <stnormal> it seems to be getting better crimsun
[05:58] <stnormal> it's like... instead of just repeating the same first part over and over again, it progresses through the file, repeating random bits over and over again
[05:59] <Agent_bob> rahmad kinda depends on the ubuntu version,   lsb_release -r
[05:59] <rahmad> i am using kubuntu 8.10
[06:00] <mooglinux> installing flash-plugin-nonfree should do the trick
[06:02] <crimsun> stnormal: heh. ok, now you need: sudo sed -i 's/probe_mask=5/probe_mask=5 enable_msi=1/' /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:02] <stnormal> hah, alright
[06:04] <wizardslovak> lol
[06:04] <wizardslovak> it worksssssssssssss
[06:04] <wizardslovak> hihihi
[06:04] <wizardslovak> i am happy
[06:05] <crimsun> stnormal: i need to catch some shuteye for work today, so good luck. catch me in about 18 hours if you still need assistance.
[06:05] <Agent_bob> rest well crimsun
[06:06] <wizardslovak> i will be going to bed
[06:06] <wizardslovak> nite people
[06:06] <Agent_bob> night wizardslovak
[06:08] <stnormal> heh, I've got two monitors hooked up to my PC, and then my laptop. I keep trying to move my mouse across my monitors to control stuff on my laptop
[06:10] <stnormal> alright, i'll probably be back
[06:10] <mooglinux> just curious, ¿uʍop ǝpısdn pɐǝɹ noʎ uɐɔ
[06:10] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: Yes new kernel is sweet
[06:11] <mooglinux> so what has everyone so excited about it DaSkreech ?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !flash | rahmad
[06:11] <DaSkreech> stnormal: You can do that
[06:12] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: GEM Ext4 are the top two
[06:12] <DaSkreech> mooglinux: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Great lil site
[06:13] <mooglinux> found that just before you said anything about it lol
[06:13] <stnormal> well, my PC is a windows box, and my laptop has linux on it
[06:14] <DaSkreech> stnormal: Makes no differenec
[06:15] <stnormal> huh
[06:15] <mooglinux> aww, only intel i915 works with GEM right now
[06:16] <wizardslovak> one more question
[06:16] <wizardslovak> i was trying to get media player working on wine but i am getting lots of errors, and cant stop them
[06:17] <wizardslovak> should i use kill wine?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Hi wizardslovak :)
[06:17] <mooglinux> why not use totem or vlc or one of the many other excellent linux players?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: Wait. What?
[06:17] <wizardslovak> i wanna stop wine
[06:17] <wizardslovak> i am getting lots of errors
[06:17] <mooglinux> ctrl+c
[06:17] <stnormal> you can get media player classic native in linux, can't you?
[06:17] <wizardslovak> when i click close ok "ok" it wont close
[06:18] <rahmad> i have download flash! but i can't install !
[06:18] <wizardslovak> i know i am using kaffeine but i wanted allplayer
[06:18] <DaSkreech> !flash | rahmad
[06:18] <DaSkreech> allplayer ?
[06:18] <Agent_bob> can't kill name   you can use  killall name   or you can kill `pidof name`
[06:18] <wizardslovak> yea
[06:18] <wizardslovak> ok so i  need id of wine
[06:18] <wizardslovak> how to check it?
[06:19] <wizardslovak> jeez i already forgot all the commands i used in suse
[06:19] <eelriver> ps aux | grep wine
[06:19] <Agent_bob> pidof wine
[06:19] <Agent_bob> !find pidof
[06:20] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: what's allplayer ?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> killall wine works
[06:21] <stnormal> can you open up a console and type "jobs -l"?
[06:21] <Agent_bob> i still like killall best for things like that, where you probably only have one instance running
[06:21] <DaSkreech> WHy yes I can!
[06:21] <wizardslovak> i did type "jobs -l" and nothing
[06:22] <wizardslovak> allplayer is media player , really good one
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Really? I would think you would want it for multiple instances
[06:22] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: What's that good about it?
[06:22] <Agent_bob> stnormal it doesn't tell me anything but i can type it
[06:22] <wizardslovak> well its much easier to use it
[06:22] <wizardslovak> but now i ot lots of error and i need them gone
[06:22] <wizardslovak> kill all wine ids and still errors are up
[06:23] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech have you scanned the man page on killall ?    it's suposed to be cleaner than kill pid   in most cases
[06:23] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: What errors?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: I don't care. It's faster :) I don't want to find 5 pids and kill them one at a time
[06:24] <wizardslovak> error ,runtime error 216 at 0043E72D
[06:24] <wizardslovak> button "ok" but when i click nothing happens
[06:24] <DaSkreech> And ou are sure it's a wine issue ?
[06:25] <wizardslovak> its shows wine symbol
[06:26] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech of course.    it's perfect if you want to kill every instance of blah   but for example if my new build of bash hangs i obviously don't want to killall bash   ;/   on the other hand if i run something in qemu and it hangs (or wine)  then killall is perfect for those things that you both can and want to bring down every instance of ...
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Yeah .. obviously :)
[06:27] <Agent_bob> pidof is handy to
[06:28] <Chris> Hi, I think I've broken something badly in package land: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102046/ Would someone tell me how I can restore this to a state where I can install packages and it not complain?
[06:29] <Agent_bob> heh, i remember when you could  "sudo kill -9 1"   and the kernel would panic  :)))
[06:30] <Agent_bob> ah man,  forgot i was lagging so bad.
[06:30] <wizardslovak> ok now i am out
[06:30] <wizardslovak> nite again
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Chris: try install python-qt4
[06:31] <DaSkreech> night
[06:31] <DaSkreech> wizardslovak: Fixed it?
[06:31] <Chris> DaSkreech: thanks, but I just get the same error as per lines 20 through 41
[06:32] <Chris> I had googled for the underlying symptom of "short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/PyQt4/QtCore.so')
[06:32] <Chris> And various suggestions were dpkg -i --force-all <deb file> and removing the deb file and trying again. Neither of these helped.
[06:33] <Agent_bob> Chris you need to purge the python-qt4* file in your package cache
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Chris: You removed the deb file ?
[06:33] <Chris> Agent_bob: meaning removing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-qt4*? yes
[06:33] <Chris> yes, if I remove it, it just faithfully redownloads it, then complains with the same error
[06:33] <Agent_bob> one way.   as root,   apt-get clean ; apt-get install -f
[06:33] <Chris> I'll try that
[06:34] <Chris> downloading python-qt4...
[06:34] <Chris> I switched back to the default mirror in case my local mirror was causing problems, so it's rather slow.
[06:35] <Chris> same error, as expected
[06:35] <Chris> :)
[06:36] <Chris> (I might add, this was after attempting to install kubuntu-desktop)
[06:36] <Agent_bob> pastebin the output of    dpkg --configure -a
[06:36] <Chris> okay
[06:37] <Chris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/102047/
[06:41] <Agent_bob> Chris it looks like a bad package "python-qt4" to me,  you can "fix" the rest of those errors with  ( dpkg --configure -a --force-all )   and file a bug report on the "python-qt4" package   then as soon as a fix is out, do the apt-get clean ;apt-get install -f    again.   but!   it might be more comfortable to just remove the offending package until a fix is out ( apt-get remove --purge python-qt4 )
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Chris: try pull the deb file from packages.ubuntu.com ?
[06:42] <Agent_bob> Chris also as DaSkreech mentioned, and/or specify a different version of the package.
[06:42] <Agent_bob> !info python-qt4
[06:43] <Agent_bob> example might be something like   apt-get install python-qt4-4.4.2     not sure about the subversioning
[06:44] <Chris> ok, thanks
[06:44] <Chris> I'll give that a try
[06:45] <Chris> by the way, your --purge suggestion does nothing, since it's not installed.
[06:45] <Agent_bob> that gives you at least 4 options   maybe you will find one that you like,   but please do file a bug
[06:45] <Chris> ok, 1 down, 3 to go :)
[06:45] <Chris> and yes, I'll file a bug
[06:45] <Chris> though I'm worried I brought this on myself, and it's not a package fault
[06:46] <Agent_bob> the error message says its a package error  "short read in package python-qt4"    unless your network is chopping the file up and loosing some of it....
[06:48] <Chris> wouldn't the package system perform some kind of checksum/hash on the deb before attempting to unpack it?
[06:49] <Chris> short read to me implies it's not long enough (premature EOF), which seems odd. Even a network problem would result in a TCP/IP failure, and not once it gets to reading the completed file.
[06:49] <Chris> (though I'm merely speculating on the error message semantics)
[06:49] <Chris> hmm, I might rerun it using strace to see what it's actually doing
[06:50] <szrhawaii> so does anyone knoe how to make profiles in terminal
[06:51] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: #kde will probably help as well
[06:51] <szrhawaii> Do you know how to make one of my profiles a root one
[06:52] <szrhawaii> is it /root/bin/bash instead of /bin/bash
[06:52] <Chris> I've downloaded python-qt4_4.3.3-2ubuntu4.1_i386.deb manually from mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu , and it is the same file as the one I already had in /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:52] <Chris> strange
[06:54] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: Umm no
[06:54] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii: More like /bin/bash sudo -i
[06:54] <szrhawaii> oh ok
[06:57] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech ?   did i miss something?   bash wont execute sudo    it's not a script.
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Should run it as a command thought
[06:58] <DaSkreech> though
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Might need to give it a path >_<
[06:59] <Agent_bob>  /usr/bin/sudo: /usr/bin/sudo: cannot execute binary file
[06:59] <Agent_bob> from command #   /bin/bash sudo
[06:59] <Agent_bob> that probably wasn't what you meant though.  anyway   sudo -i   is the command
[07:01] <Agent_bob> sudo -i ;sudo su - ;su - #if you have unlocked the superuser account, else only the first two will work.
[07:01] <Agent_bob> oh and, sudo bash -li
[07:06] <Agent_bob> heh i have this system so wierded out, that only superuser can run sudo and if superuser does  sudo -i  they become root which is not superuser   ;/  ;\   ;|
[07:08] <spekdro> pipegeek:
[07:13] <Agent_bob> howto test if a function name is already set "shell grammer" ???
[07:35] <sgraham> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is there a way to force module-assistant to look in a different location for source code?
[07:48] <Agent_bob> i suspoze that this would be considered unsafe ?  -rwsr-xr-x 1 0 0 664084 Jan  8 01:45 /bin/bash
[07:55] <bazyl> hi everybody ;)
[07:56] <Agent_bob> bazyl
[07:57] <ctux> hello
[07:57] <ctux> little help needed
[07:57] <ctux> i downloaded kubuntu 8.10
[07:58] <ctux> there is kde KDE 4.2 Beta 2 released too and the kubuntu website says i have to add an experimental repo to get it
[07:59] <ctux> so do i keep the main kde 4 repo and experimental both enabled or disable the main kde4 repo?
[07:59] <ctux> any suggestion ?
[07:59] <Agent_bob> both
[07:59] <ctux> Agent_bob: wont create any conflict?
[07:59] <Agent_bob> but i would suggest, neither, and use kde3     my suggestion
[08:00] <ctux> Agent_bob: i want kde3 myself but that is not in official repos i guess
[08:00] <Chris> Agent_bob: if you recall my previous issue.. so how would I get the system to a state where I can actually install other, unrelated packages? will I need to re-install the whole system?
[08:00] <ctux> i saw an unofficial repo for it though
[08:01] <Agent_bob> chris  the --force-all i mentioned should do that.
[08:01] <ctux> Agent_bob: are you getting kde 3 packages from that unofficial repo too?
[08:01] <Chris> Agent_bob: it doesn't
[08:02] <Agent_bob> chris you can also manually remove all the non-configured packages
[08:02] <Agent_bob> chris what error message are you getting now ?
[08:02] <Agent_bob> ctux i'm still using dapper.
[08:02] <Chris> The following packages have unmet dependencies: apport-qt: Depends: python-qt4 but it is not going to be installed
[08:02] <Chris> (and 7 other packages)
[08:02] <Chris> how do I manually remove those?
[08:02] <ctux> ah
[08:03] <Agent_bob> chris apt-get remove <add the eight names here>
[08:04] <Chris> agent_bob: thanks, that resolved it
[08:05] <Agent_bob> chris you will want to watch closely the package list when installing things now, to note whether or not you are "redoing the same faulty package"
[08:07] <ctux> i wonder if anybody using kde 3 on 8.10
[08:07] <Chris> Agent_bob: naturally, thanks
[08:09] <ctux> Agent_bob: http://forum.kde.org/how-get-kde-kubuntu-10-t-11996.html
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Dapper???
[08:13] <ctux> DaSkreech: may i ask you about kde3 on 8.10?
[08:13] <DaSkreech> yes
[08:13] <ctux> do i keep the official repos and add the one for kde 3?
[08:13] <ctux> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
[08:13] <ctux> he says add this one
[08:14] <DaSkreech> He?
[08:15] <ctux> the maintainer of kde 3 repo
[08:15] <ctux> i will install from mini iso
[08:15] <ctux> but wanna be sure regards the repo
[08:15] <Agent_bob> yes dapper   LTS ya know
[08:19] <DaSkreech> ctux: There should be a PPA repo
[08:20] <ctux> ok thanks
[08:23] <DaSkreech> ctux: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[08:25] <ctux> DaSkreech: thanks, this is what i was looking for indeed
[08:25] <aftertaf> morning all :)
[08:25] <Agent_bob> aftertaf
[08:25] <aftertaf> another beautiful day in the world of the free (as in beer)
[08:36] <tomato_> 안녕들 하세요
[08:36] <BullHorns> anybody developing on ubuntu here?
[08:36] <Hato> how can i auto insmod a ko driver when the server restart
[08:36] <tomato_> I`m user
[08:37] <jussi01> !bum | Hato
[08:38] <jussi01> BullHorns: several. what do you need?
[08:38] <tomato__> 다들 어디 사는겨
[08:38] <BullHorns> I want to join the development team if possible, 9 years c/c++
[08:38] <tomato__> 영어로만 말하네
[08:38] <aftertaf> Hato: or add it to the modules list
[08:39] <jussi01> BullHorns: head on over to #kubuntu-devel :)
[08:39] <aftertaf>  at /etc/modules
[08:39] <aftertaf> BullHorns: and yeah, nice initiative . . . . :D
[08:39] <BullHorns> thanks jussi01
[08:39] <jussi01> tomato__: what languge do you need?
[08:41] <Hato> aftertaf: can you give me a example :my driver name is shdpci.ko at my home dir
[08:41] <DaSkreech> !kr
[08:41] <DaSkreech> !ko
[08:42] <aftertaf> Hato: what do you type to load it with modprobe or insmod...?
[08:43] <Hato> aftertaf:  insmod
[08:43] <Hato> by manual it's successed
[08:43] <aftertaf> whats the full line you type?
[08:44] <aftertaf> sudo insmod [xxx]
[08:44] <Hato> aftertaf: yes
[08:44] <aftertaf> what do you type instead of [xxx] ?
[08:44] <Hato> shdpci.ko
[08:46] <Hato> i type insmod /xx/xx/xx/shdpci.ko at /etc/moudle but it's not use
[08:46] <aftertaf> have you tried "sudo insmod shdpci" without the .ko ?
[08:46] <Hato> no let me try it
[08:49] <Hato> aftertaf:  maybe you missunderstanding me . I successed insmod like sudo shdpci.ko but it's manual when the server restart I must insmod again,I want to at the moudle automatic
[08:49] <aftertaf> i do understand . . . .
[08:49] <Hato> aftertaf: and the /etc/moudle is so clean and i donot know how to type it
[08:49] <aftertaf> but can you use insmod on the file without the .ko extension?
[08:50] <Hato> no it tell me no such file\
[08:50] <aftertaf> ok :(
[08:51] <aftertaf> what is this file anyway?
[08:51] <Hato> a cti pci card driver
[08:52] <Hato> the third company support
[08:53] <aftertaf> ok
[08:57] <aftertaf> type just the name of the file in /etc/modules
[08:57] <aftertaf> not the path to it
[08:57] <aftertaf> maybe it is not in the correct folder also....
[08:58] <aftertaf> third party driver maybe not for ubuntu, but a different GNU/Linux distribution
[08:58] <aftertaf> what is its full path?
[09:00] <Sarasvati> Hello
[09:02] <Sarasvati> anyone here?
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> no one at all
[09:06] <Agent_bob> not me
[09:06] <aftertaf> im here
[09:07] <aftertaf> while being here, too.
[09:07] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[09:07] <DarkSmoke> is there a way to update alsa
[09:07] <DarkSmoke> on kubuntu
[09:07] <DarkSmoke> without compiling..
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> DarkSmoke: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:08] <DarkSmoke> no dude, not like that, a version that is not in kubuntu
[09:08] <Agent_bob> if it's a .deb you can use the package manager   else.  not really
[09:11] <solaries> I have a really strange problem: Since the latest kubuntu 8.10 my mouse click is indeterministically disabled when using xinerama
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> solaries: do you use compiz?
[09:13] <Agent_bob> speeking of,  is there a way to make xorg itself accept keyboard input for things like twm or blackbox  without a mouse ?
[09:14] <solaries> yes
[09:14] <solaries> but it does not seem to work with xinerama
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> solaries: its compiz, ive seen it do this
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> solaries: read the last post here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/90918
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> once again, compiz is garbage
[09:19] <solaries> but how can one disable it?
[09:20] <solaries> only found that compiz button which I have to click each time I log in
[09:20] <thiagoo> hey guys
[09:20] <thiagoo> is there a linux partition manager
[09:20] <solaries> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/90918 says that it is always this way. In my case it happens from time to time.
[09:21] <solaries> and it is left _and_ right click disabled then
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> !gparted | thiagoo
[09:22] <thiagoo> thank you
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> solaries: its a compiz thing it can kill mice
[09:22] <aftertaf> thiagoo: or parted, if you feel hardcore ;)
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> pish
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> parted is for weenies
[09:23] <thiagoo> i just need to delete a partition which windows does not see but linux does
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> real men use fdisk ;)
[09:23] <thiagoo> weird huh
[09:23] <aftertaf> lol SlimeyPete :)
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> actually in all seriousness I do use fdisk, but that's only cos I've not got around to playing with parted
[09:26] <Hato> aftertaf:  let me try it .the driver is build for ubuntu
[09:32] <griswald> has anyone here used Ubuntu Ultimate Edition? if so did you like it?
[09:33] <Tm_T> griswald: no, and I would recommend to stay as far as possible from it
[09:33] <griswald> why is that?
[09:33] <Tm_T> it's ugly pile of hacks that makes us devels cry
[09:33]  * jussi01 concurs with that
[09:33] <Tm_T> also it means immediately voiding any warranty from ubuntu
[09:34] <Tm_T> no, seriously, it's dangerous
[09:34] <jussi01> ie. no support here
[09:34] <jussi01> is it possible to run a 32 bit program on 64bit?
[09:34] <Tm_T> jussi01: is
[09:35] <Tm_T> but, mmmmh, I forgot the package you need atleast
[09:35] <jussi01> Tm_T: is it just ia32libs?
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: you need ia32 libs, then you can install 32bit packages all you like
[09:35] <Tm_T> ye
[09:35] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: if I have that, can I run a single 32bit binary?
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: absolutely, if you run the file command against it, the system knows its 32bit and will use 32bit libs
[09:37] <griswald> Tm: could you explain alittle more on what make UE so dangerous? and since Ubuntu is Open Source how can they have a warranty?
[09:37] <Tm_T> griswald: as in community support
[09:38] <Tm_T> griswald: also if it breaks something, or if something breaks after using it, you blame them and them alone
[09:38] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: hrm, so I just install ia32libs and run the program as normal, correct?
[09:38] <Tm_T> griswald: anyway, how it works, is very very dangerous, it forces package installs without any smart way to tell if it's safe
[09:39] <Tm_T> griswald: and much more
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: you got it
[09:39] <Tm_T> !automatix
[09:39] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: Super! thanks
[09:39] <Agent_bob> so does this look right to zero out a partition table ?  "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1 skip=445 count=64 "
[09:40] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: why? :)
[09:40] <griswald> what does that mean forces package installs? like software that should be able to run with certian hardware is being forced to run?
[09:40] <Tm_T> griswald: no, installing stuff in a way that might mean removing whole system under it
[09:42] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux umm because i don't use partitions but lilo builds a blank partition table when you install it to MBR,  and not that that hurts anything, just that i don't like having a blank partition table on a partitionless disk.
[09:42] <griswald> ok i uderstand now. but it really doesnt pose a threat to the hardware in the sytem does it?
[09:42] <Tm_T> griswald: well, perhaps not, unless you're very unlucky (:
[09:43] <Tm_T> griswald: I cannot tell, nor care, that wouldn't make it much worse really
[09:43] <griswald> i see
[09:44] <Tm_T> all those ultimatix, ultimate etc stuff are not supported by Ubuntu in anyway
[09:45] <Tm_T> so if you use them, use their support
[09:45] <Tm_T> and now I stop talking about this before I bite my tongue off
[09:45] <griswald> well for me being deployed i got tired of windows crashing over here in afghanistan. so a buddy of mine recommend ubuntu. and after some reading i found UE. it was perfect for what i needed. having almost no access to the internet, it had everthing i needed to get up and go.
[09:45] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: wait what?
[09:45] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: you want to have a partionless disk?
[09:46] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux umm because i don't use partitions but lilo builds a blank partition table when you install it to MBR,  and not that that hurts anything, just that i don't like having a blank partition table on a partitionless disk. <<< i have no partitions.
[09:46] <Tm_T> griswald: still, and no, you will not advertise it here
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: but you still have a filesystem?
[09:46] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux of course
[09:46] <griswald> sorry just making conversation. didnt mean to advertise
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: hmm, what makes you think that this is possible?
[09:46] <Tm_T> griswald: I know, just mentioned (:
[09:46] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: the fdisk man page says that linux doesn't allow that
[09:47] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux the fact that i've been using linux on hda for several years was my first clue that it would work  LOL
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: any advantages of that?
[09:48] <Agent_bob> and i can't help if there are errors in some man page.  file a bug against fdisk/man9
[09:48] <Agent_bob> 8
[09:48] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: what's the purpose?
[09:49] <jaro> hi there. I'm going to replicate system onto another disk. I'm deciding whether I should clone partition with dd or just copy files with cp.
[09:49] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip no.  it's a big disadvantage, in that, every time you mention it, you have thirty people telling you it can't be done.
[09:49] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux preferance.
[09:49] <jaro> I'd like to know wheter cp is suitable for filesystem replication
[09:49] <Agent_bob> jaro cp -A
[09:49] <Tm_T> jaro: if you do it from device to device, too
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: ive heard of it but never bothered as ive got stuff to do
[09:49] <Tm_T> or hmm, evil
[09:51] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip i first started when i was cramped for disk space,  it seemed wise to use every byte i could,   then kinda liked the novalty of it, and kept using partitionless disks from that point on.
[09:52] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: in the old days, disks would skip the filesystem as well
[09:52] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: the fun of writing a zip file directly to /dev/hda  :-)
[09:52] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip i'm talking about when i installed linux on a lappy with a 210m hdd  i needed all 210m of it... :)
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> gentoo :)
[09:52] <JohnFlux> 210MB is small? hah.
[09:52] <muxomor> Hallo all, could you help me with such a problem: i had an nvidia card, installed for it proprietary driver. Then i  unplugged it, and put an ati card, modified xorg.conf for using ati  open-source driver (Card Radeon 9200 SE, RV280 based). Now i dont' have 3d, glxinfo says "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual". Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102102/
[09:53] <jaro> I would probably also use cp -xa to prevent copying mounted subdirectories
[09:53] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux it is for a modern linux install
[09:53] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux ubuntu warty took 180m minimal
[09:53] <muxomor> tis strange - direct rendering is disabled, acceleration erenabled, and in the end it tolds me about missing nvidia x driver
[10:00] <thiagooo> hey
[10:01] <thiagooo> what was the hardcore partition manager someone suggested here
[10:01] <thiagooo> i have a partition which just wont delete
[10:01] <thiagooo> its crazy
[10:01] <Agent_bob> thiagooo cfdisk ?
[10:01] <aftertaf> fdisk or pated ;)
[10:01] <muxomor> fdisk?
[10:01] <thiagooo> sudo apt-get install cfdisk?
[10:01] <aftertaf> fdisk
[10:01] <Agent_bob> thiagooo sfdisk is hardcore.
[10:02] <aftertaf> what does sudo fdisk -l show?
[10:03] <thiagooo> im running off a livedisk
[10:03] <Agent_bob> cfdisk > fdisk > sfdisk > edit by hand your partition table with a hex editor
[10:03] <thiagooo> it didnt show anything
[10:04] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: according to the people in ##kernel, the cost of using a partition table is only 512 bytes
[10:04] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux yeah, and ?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: hardly seems a worthwhile saving on a 210MB hard disk ;-D
[10:05] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: of course, the 'coolness' is still there
[10:05] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux when free space is less than 1m every byte counts
[10:06] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: 1 million what?
[10:06] <Agent_bob> bytes
[10:07] <thiagooo> this is crazy
[10:07] <thiagooo> this this recovery vista partition that the sony support installedin my hard driver
[10:07] <thiagooo> and i just cant get rid of it
[10:07] <thiagooo> any ideas?
[10:08] <Agent_bob> thiagooo if you want to lose all data   zero the disk and start from scratch.
[10:08] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: sudo fdisk  -l    showed nothing at all?
[10:10] <Agent_bob> thiagooo as root    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda #example only.  (and it will take it a little while to write a "zero byte" to every bit of the disk.  <use with the expectation of losing all data on the entire hd, not just a partition.
[10:10] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: can you tone down the crazy a little bit :-D
[10:11] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: im fine with loosing everything
[10:11] <thiagooo> thanks for that bit of information
[10:11] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: the fact that he can't even get fdisk to work is worrying
[10:11] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux that's not crazy.   if he wants to erase the disk that' s a good way.
[10:11] <aftertaf> thiagooo: if you run parted ? does it show anything?
[10:11] <thiagooo> sudo apt-get install parted?
[10:11] <Agent_bob> should be installed
[10:12] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: people don't always want what they ask for
[10:12] <aftertaf> is installed normally
[10:12] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: can u explain again how to zero the disk
[10:13] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: you should cooperate with aftertaf
[10:13] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux  then they shouldn't ask for it.    the attitude of "we have to protect the stupid common people form their selves" has always kinda tic'd me off.
[10:13] <aftertaf> :) lol
[10:13] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: well you should protect people from their selves
[10:13] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: what are you on about man?
[10:13] <aftertaf> ok . . . . . .
[10:13] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux no,  i shouldn't and wont.
[10:13] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: if someone says "I've got a partition that won't delete" that should start raising alarm bells
[10:14] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: not getting you to use cat to solve it
[10:14] <thiagooo> aftertaf: sorry for not answering, i can run parted but i cant delete the partition from there either
[10:14] <aftertaf> thiagooo: you want to wipe the whole disk? do what bob said : cat /dev/zero > /dev/yourdisk
[10:14] <aftertaf> thia no pb :)
[10:14] <Agent_bob> thiagooo repeting, as you requested.    as root    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda       #example only.  (and it will take it a little while to write a "zero byte" to every bit of the disk.  <use with the expectation of losing all data on the entire hd, not just a partition.
[10:14] <thiagooo> aftertaf: the unalocatted space shows as 140 gb but it is actually 160 gb
[10:15] <thiagooo> the recovery partition the sony support was 20 gb
[10:15] <Agent_bob> i would want the extra 20g too, if it were me.
[10:15] <thiagooo> exacly
[10:16] <thiagooo> the partition is nothing anyway
[10:16] <thiagooo> its all in chinese and ive told everytime i send my laptop to support that i want english
[10:16] <thiagooo> i live in china btw
[10:16] <thiagooo> hence why i want it delete
[10:16] <thiagooo> it has no use to me
[10:16] <aftertaf> after the dev zero... any risk that disk is totally unuseable?
[10:16] <thiagooo> aftertaf: is there?
[10:17] <aftertaf> dunno.
[10:17] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: sorry, im not that comfortable with linux so im not that sure on how to do what you wrote me
[10:17] <aftertaf> bob, if he uses parted and writes a new partition table, will that also free it up ?
[10:17] <Agent_bob> aftertaf i have never seen it.  and have zeroed many.   that's no promice that there wont be one tho
[10:17] <aftertaf> :)
[10:17] <JohnFlux> aftertaf: right
[10:18] <JohnFlux> aftertaf: but it's still a worry that he can't get fdisk to work
[10:18] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: do you know what a console is?
[10:18] <thiagooo> how do i get to work johnflux
[10:18] <thiagooo> install it through sudo apt-get?
[10:18] <JohnFlux> where you can type commands
[10:18] <aftertaf> thiagooo: open a console and type this : "sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda"   if hda is the disk you want to liquify
[10:18] <Agent_bob> aftertaf wrong,
[10:19] <aftertaf> Agent_bob: argh you're right
[10:19] <Agent_bob> sudo and redirrection doesn't work right.
[10:19] <JohnFlux> we know have crazy people trying to get him to zero every byte on the disk
[10:19] <aftertaf> redirection ;)
[10:19] <JohnFlux> now
[10:19] <Agent_bob> you could tee it though
[10:19] <aftertaf> good luck, i'm going to apt-get hoover_the_house
[10:20] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux and even crazier trying to keep him from it...
[10:20] <Agent_bob> :\
[10:20] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: oh good grief
[10:20]  * aftertaf isnt crazy, just riddled with flu :)
[10:20] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: what should i do then man
[10:20] <thiagooo> !pastebin
[10:20] <aftertaf> thiagooo: you have no data you want to keep, so wipe the disk
[10:21] <thiagooo> thank you
[10:21] <aftertaf> or write a new partition table.
[10:21] <thiagooo> yes i have no data i want to keep
[10:21] <JohnFlux> aftertaf: how is that an 'or' thing?
[10:21] <aftertaf> good luck all :)
[10:21] <JohnFlux> what exactly does zeroing the device accomplish?
[10:21] <aftertaf> total wipeage
[10:21] <JohnFlux> he's still going to have to write a new partition table
[10:21] <Agent_bob> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=10 ;sudo gparted    :)))
[10:21] <aftertaf> true
[10:22] <JohnFlux> I bet that this whole problem comes down to that he simply didn't run gparted as sudo
[10:22] <JohnFlux> or some trivial problem like that
[10:23] <Agent_bob> technecally it should be gksudo gparted    or kdesudo qtparted
[10:23] <Agent_bob> but from a live CD you can't mess up permissions in your home anyway.   reboot clears all.
[10:25] <thiagooo> so zeroing the bytes has no problem except wiping the whole disk?
[10:25] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: this is for you btw http://paste.ubuntu.com/102109/
[10:26] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: okay so install util-linux
[10:26] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: or try just running 'fdisk'
[10:26] <JohnFlux> i'm sure the live cd comes with fdisk install
[10:26] <JohnFlux> installed
[10:26] <thiagooo> nop :/
[10:26] <thiagooo> anyway
[10:27] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: okay so apt-get install util-linux    like it tells you
[10:28] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: the live cd comes with gparted or something right?
[10:28] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: yes
[10:28] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: and gparted also does not see that partition
[10:28] <mooperd> Hi!, Can i downgrade kubumtu 8.10 to kde3.5
[10:29] <thiagooo> all it shows right now is an unalocatted space of 140gb
[10:29] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda gives me permission denied
[10:30] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: and what does it say about the rest of the disk?
[10:30] <thiagooo> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[10:30] <thiagooo> bash: /dev/hda: Permission denied
[10:31] <Agent_bob> thiagooo i told you it would,  "redirrection" is not affected by sudo.
[10:31] <thiagooo> JohnFlux: i just told you the only thing it shows is an unalocatted space of 140gb
[10:31] <thiagooo> nothing else
[10:31] <Agent_bob> sudo -i  then run it.
[10:31] <thiagooo> ok
[10:31] <thiagooo> sorry
[10:31] <thiagooo> im running it off a livecd so what would be the password?
[10:32] <Agent_bob> hense the   as root;   cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda  #example...
[10:32] <Agent_bob> password ?
[10:32] <thiagooo> how do i go as root then
[10:32] <Agent_bob> does the live CD now have a password ?
[10:32] <Agent_bob> sudo -i
[10:32] <Agent_bob> sudo -i  # this makes me root
[10:36] <thiagooo> cat: write error: No space left on device
[10:36] <thiagooo> this is what it gives back
[10:37] <Agent_bob> thiagooo pretty quick,  but that should do it.  :)
[10:37] <Agent_bob> thiagooo assuming you selected the correct device node   "sda" for example.
[10:38] <thiagooo> sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[10:38] <thiagooo> this is what i wrote
[10:42] <Agent_bob> thiagooo i don't know if your hdd will show as hda or sda  might try both   which ever doesn't exist it will let you know.
[10:43] <Guest99464> just curious, anyone know of an easier way than re-encoding the .cps file kwin produces when you do an image capture, and if there's a native way to view it?
[10:43] <shiv_j> Why is kde4 so slow. I have 4GB RAM, 2.2 Ghz Dual core
[10:44] <bvalek2> shiv_j: driver problems
[10:44] <bvalek2> i have 512 MB ram, with 2GHz Celeron P4, and KDE4 is smooth
[10:45] <bvalek2> i installed the NVidia closed-source driver
[10:45] <shiv_j> bvalek2: nt really because I have gnome installed along and it blazes. I removed desktop effects. Still my mouse is slow to move. It takes forever to open a folder
[10:45]  * faileas had KDE running decently on a celeron M 1.something, on a system with 320 mb of ram at one point ;)
[10:46] <shiv_j> bvalek2: I have nvidia installed on gnome side. Do I need to redo for kde?
[10:46] <Agent_bob> thiagooo i jsut tested,  if the device node was correct the message is "cat: write error: No space left on device"  and if the device node is incorrect the message is "bash: /dev/hde: No such device or address"    so you hit it the first time  :)
[10:47] <thiagooo> well
[10:47]  * Agent_bob couldn't use hda or sda in the test as he has both.
[10:47] <bvalek2> shiv_j: i dont know how KDE4 works, but probably it is not aware of your NVidia driver. yes, try the install in KDE4 too, it wont harm anything (it will say in the worst care, that its already installed, and do nothing)
[10:47] <thiagooo> i wrote it again with sda
[10:47] <thiagooo> and its still working
[10:47] <thiagooo> and my laptop made some noise
[10:47] <thiagooo> =/
[10:47] <thiagooo> it still hasnt got back into root@ubuntu
[10:48] <Agent_bob> !tab | thiagooo on then the first time you just filled up your ram.  you can rm /dev/hda to free some ram.
[10:48] <faileas> Agent_bob: i thought the newer kernels all use sdX ?
[10:49] <Agent_bob> faileas i didn't ask what version of live CD he had.
[10:50] <thiagooo> its still not back to root@ubuntu where i can write something
[10:50] <Agent_bob> faileas i suggested both hda and sda at different times and expected him to find out which he had...
[10:50] <Agent_bob> thiagooo it will take a while.
[10:53] <thiagooo> i just ran gparted to check the partition
[10:54] <thiagooo> and it is taking so long to scan
[10:54] <thiagooo> still scanning
[10:54] <ctux> hello
[10:54] <thiagooo> probability a messed up my device?
[10:54] <Agent_bob> shouldn't until run a partitioning tool while the zeroing process is going on.
[10:54] <Agent_bob> s=until==
[10:55] <ctux> anybody know if kde3 repo for intrpid is down? i get error that it has been permanently moved
[10:55] <thiagooo> it was done
[10:55] <thiagooo> wasnt it?
[10:56] <Agent_bob> ctux the link you posted earlier said it was moved
[10:56] <Agent_bob> thiagooo did gparted finish scanning ?
[10:56] <Tm_T> ctux: there is no repo for it, IIRC
[10:56] <thiagooo> n ope
[10:56] <thiagooo> i closed it
[10:56] <ctux> yes Agent_bob thats what happened with me when i added it to my apt.sources list
[10:57] <Agent_bob> Tm_T there was an unofficial one he was using
[10:57] <Tm_T> Agent_bob: was
[10:57] <Tm_T> what I know, there's no one anymore, but I might be wrong, as usual
[10:58] <Agent_bob> thiagooo did the cat command return "no space left on device" ???
[10:59] <ctux> Agent_bob,: this works though
[10:59] <ctux> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kb9vqf/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/
[10:59] <Agent_bob> cool
[11:01] <thiagooo> when i wrote with hda yes
[11:01] <Tm_T> ctux: interesting, looks ok
[11:01] <thiagooo> when i write with sda nothing comes b ack
[11:01] <ctux> Tm_T: yes
[11:01] <thiagooo> and it changes to ubuntu:cat
[11:02] <Agent_bob> thiagooo no.  rm /dev/hda ;cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda  # that's the one you want.  the hda didn't exist and you created it with the >.
[11:03] <Agent_bob> thiagooo and it will take several minutes to zero out a disk.   so run it and go get a coffee or something.
[11:04] <thiagooo> root@ubuntu:~# rm /dev/hda ; cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda
[11:04] <thiagooo> rm: cannot remove `/dev/hda': No such file or directory
[11:04] <Agent_bob> thiagooo that's oke.
[11:04] <Agent_bob> ok
[11:05] <thiagooo> am i done?
[11:05] <Agent_bob> no
[11:05] <thiagooo> whats the next step
[11:05] <Agent_bob> wait until it says "no space left" and returns to  root@host/~
[11:06] <thiagooo> how long
[11:06] <thiagooo> should it last
[11:06] <thiagooo> take*
[11:07] <Agent_bob> several minutes.  i can't say exactly the speed of the hdd and the size of the hdd dictate the time to write zeros to every byte of the hdd   so  160G * ${B/S} = T
[11:07] <thiagooo> ojk
[11:09] <Agent_bob> thiagooo the next step, when the time comes, is to install linux as usual.  using entire disk in the partitioning step of the install
[11:10] <Agent_bob> some like to reboot between these two processes.   it might not be a bad idea, but shouldn't be needed.
[11:19] <chakie_work> is it possible to install intrepid with disk encryption?
[11:19] <thiagooo> its still going agent bob
[11:20] <chakie_work> i can't find any option for it in the 32 nor 64 bit versions
[11:20] <Agent_bob> thiagooo give it time.
[11:20] <thiagooo> k
[11:21] <Agent_bob> seems like it took almost an hour on the 200g i just did a few weaks ago
[11:21] <thiagooo> ok then
[11:22] <thiagooo> it returned this right after i typed it
[11:22] <thiagooo> ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A
[11:22] <thiagooo> i might have typed something in accident after right?
[11:22] <Agent_bob> yeah you probably used the uparrow or something
[11:23] <thiagooo> no harm there?
[11:23] <Agent_bob> no
[11:23] <thiagooo> ok to use kopete while its doing it?
[11:24] <Agent_bob> it's the terminal telling you it dosent understand your key strokes.   and yes it's ok to use any non-hard-disk app.
[11:24] <chakie_work> the installation docs talk about encrypted disks and encrypted LVM, but there are no options related to that in the installer
[11:25] <chakie_work> pebkac or docs snafu?
[11:29] <chakie_work> the docs say this about the manual partitioning: "The main setting is Use as:, which determines if the partition will have a file system on it, or be used for swap, software RAID, LVM, an encrypted file system, or not be used at all"
[11:29] <chakie_work> i have no options there apart from the basic filesystems like ext3, xfs, swap
[11:30] <Agent_bob> ubottu encrypted
[11:31] <Agent_bob> chakie_work hmmm not what you want i guess.   sorry
[11:33] <chakie_work> Agent_bob: no, i need whole disk encryption
[11:33] <chakie_work> i've now tested kubuntu and ubuntu, both 32 and 64 bit versions
[11:34] <chakie_work> as the 64 bit versions don't according to the docs have anything related to crypto
[11:35] <Agent_bob> chakie_work well i'm not familear with disk encription so if no one else in here speeks up. you might ask in #ubuntu  because the installer (ubiquity) is common in all *buntu's
[11:36] <chakie_work> Agent_bob: well, yes, that's true. i'll try there
[11:38] <swperman> I'm having trouble setting up a VPN on kubuntu... i've installed network-manager-pptp, but when i try to add a new one, name field and ok button are disabled. it says "no configuration interface for the vpn service ppp. check installation".. any clue?
[12:24] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: my sda hd is still shown as 149.06 gb
[12:24] <thiagooo> :(
[12:24] <thiagooo> and gparted does not show anything else except the unalocatted 149.05
[12:28] <Agent_bob> thiagooo did you reboot ?
[12:31] <thiagooo> and gparted does not show anything else except the unalocatted 149.05
[12:32] <thiagooo> sorry
[12:32] <thiagooo> but ya
[12:32] <thiagooo> i did
[12:42] <Rioting_pacifist> how can i find out whats using my entropy
[12:46] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: ?
[12:46] <amerigo> !amule
[12:47] <Agent_bob> did you reboot after the zeroing of the disk thiagooo ?   some reccomend that,  although i have never had too it can't hurt anything
[12:48] <thiagooo> ya
[12:48] <thiagooo> Agent_bob: do you know about any bootable partition managers?
[12:48] <Agent_bob> !gpartedCD
[12:49] <Agent_bob> hmm google for  gparted CD
[12:49] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[12:49] <DarkSmoke> if i have alsa installed on kubuntu
[12:49] <DarkSmoke> the default one
[12:49] <amerigo> i have a question .... amule tells me that the folder in which it download files is /home/user/.amule/incoming/"files" but if i go in /home/user there's no folder /.amule
[12:49] <DarkSmoke> and i compile and make install a newer version in /usr/local
[12:49] <DarkSmoke> which one will be used?
[12:50] <amerigo> how i can find it?
[12:50] <leif> is there some plugins to konquer
[12:54] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[12:54] <silv3r_m00n> in kde openoffice.org the toolbars , menus all vanish
[12:54] <silv3r_m00n> how to fix this ?
[12:57] <dwidmann> hmm, anybody know from where krunner gets its path?
[13:01] <wesley> hi i would like to know if its possible to install other os via usb, like booting the iso from usb
[13:01] <Agent_bob> !install
[13:03] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: for finding programs?  probably just the PATH variable
[13:03] <dwidmann> JohnFlux: if only ...
[13:04] <wesley> Agent_bob i dont wanna install ubuntu i know how to do that, bu i am wondering can i install a other os also via usb
[13:05] <Agent_bob> define other os please
[13:06] <Agent_bob> or short answer is "yes"
[13:07] <wesley> osx
[13:07] <wesley> more can i not say because that would not fit in the guidelines
[13:08] <Agent_bob> more can i not help cause i am "Agent" bob
[13:08] <wesley> i only need to know if you can boot a iso so it acts as cd ( i know this can inside ubuntu, but then will osx not install )
[13:10] <Agent_bob> like i said the short answer is yes.   i can't walk you through it though for the same reason you stated. ...  plus one.
[13:10] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: oh really, clearing the whole disk to zero didn't help?
[13:10] <JohnFlux> what a surprise.
[13:11] <Agent_bob> the guide for installing ubuntu from usb stick should work as a patern to learn from tho
[13:11] <Agent_bob> JohnFlux you forgot the </irony>  ^
[13:13] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: 160 * 1000^3 / 1024^3 = 149.01
[13:13] <wesley> Agenr_bob i going install osx on a intel atom, but according to aple that illigal, but they ship intels :s
[13:13] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: I think that your 160GB hard disk really is just 149GiB
[13:15] <JohnFlux> thiagooo: 160 gigabytes = 149 gigibytes
[13:15] <Agent_bob> he said 140g before, must have gained 9g
[13:15] <JohnFlux> Agent_bob: or he just 'rounded'
[13:16] <Agent_bob> or the restore partition was taking up 9g  wouldn't that be wierd tho
[13:16] <kniolet> wesley: installing osx on non apple hardware kinda sucks, not only is it a pain in the butt, a lot of hardware doesn't work right, especially video cards since there are generally only drivers for video cards that apple puts in their hardware
[13:17] <wesley> kniolet, i found a intressting tut and, my hardware is new and everthing is backed up, so why not give it a try
[13:18] <wesley> may i post it here ? i bet not ?
[13:18] <kniolet> post what here?
[13:18] <kniolet> oh
[13:18] <kniolet> the tutorial
[13:18] <kniolet> no
[13:19] <kniolet> better not to
[13:20] <kniolet> wesley: besides os x sucks lol i have a macbook and after 2 months of mac os, i reformatted the drive and installed linux on it
[13:23] <wesley> kniolet, i have a Iphone, but i cant say that osx sucks, i kind of liked it, only works different
[13:25] <wesley> i have a imac standing here btw, i use a mac keyboard now
[13:25] <kniolet> to me it's like linux, but broken lol personally i'd take kde4 over osx anyday (though thats just personal preference of course)
[13:26] <wesley> no sorry kwin is still not perfected, but i like kde4 to
[13:27] <xbmc> hi people
[13:27] <^Manu> sorry
[13:27] <^Manu> i have a few questions regarding display drivers..
[13:27] <wesley> kwin looks slow sometimes
[13:27] <^Manu> i just tried to build the latest version of the intel display driver from source.. it looks like it went according to plan, but now the 3d performance is REEEEALLLY slow..
[13:28] <^Manu> like 1fps type slow..
[13:28] <^Manu> how can i see the versions of my drivers and stuff?
[13:28] <wesley> have you run glxgears ?
[13:28] <^Manu> all those glx tools say "Can't open display :0.0"
[13:28] <wesley> ps its not recommend to build the intel driver from source
[13:28] <^Manu> why not?
[13:29] <^Manu> the current binary doesn't support my hardware..
[13:29] <wesley> its not supported, if you build then grab the source code from ubuntu
[13:29] <^Manu> also, previously, before i started messing with it, when i tried to run some 3d apps, it crash saying you need opengl 1.3, running 1.2.. or something..
[13:30] <^Manu> well can i fix it somehow? just reinstall the ubuntu drivers?
[13:30] <^Manu> it all appeard to go according to plan.. just that the 3d went to tell..
[13:30] <^Manu> hell
[13:30] <^Manu> how can i see what version drivers are running?
[13:31] <^Manu> i have no idea about linux.. don't even know how to print the running services :/
[13:32] <^Manu> surely theres a short command to show my driver version?
[13:32] <^Manu> i don't even know if the driver i built is running..
[13:32] <Agent_bob> ^Manu where to start...    man man    man intro     man ps      press ctrl+alt+esc might help too...
[13:33] <^Manu> i'm maned everything so far..
[13:33] <Agent_bob> glxinfo | grep -i driver
[13:33] <wesley> i suggest report a bug, i did it yesterday to, i also have my ? if ubuntu uses the reight drivers, and if intel performance like it shoul
[13:34] <^Manu> glxinfo doesn't work
[13:34] <^Manu> "unable to open display :0.0"
[13:34] <wesley> i only get about 40 fps so thats kind of slow, but i dont kow about those thuff
[13:34] <Agent_bob> ^Manu from within the running gui ?
[13:34] <^Manu> i don't really care about the fps, but 1fps implies a software raster..
[13:34] <^Manu> yup
[13:35] <^Manu> i thought that was odd too.
[13:35] <^Manu> theres obviously a display, or i wouldnt have windows and everything.
[13:35] <Agent_bob> hmmm   what does    xhost +LOCAL:  #say to you ?
[13:35] <amijai> hello
[13:35] <^Manu> same thing
[13:35] <wesley> i have running kwin here, and sometime its needs to repaint the window, strange is this doessnt happing in Windows aero
[13:36] <amijai> I have a usb stick I manage to curropt
[13:36] <amijai> I want to re-format it as vfat, but I do not know how to find which device it is
[13:37] <amijai> it shows up in lsusb but does not mount automatically
[13:37] <^Manu> so...
[13:37] <Agent_bob> ^Manu something not normal there.   mounted nosuid ?   running these commands from a different user account within the gui ?     using debian rather than ubuntu ?    other things i didn't think of ???
[13:37] <^Manu> i can't see a list of versions of running services?
[13:37] <wesley> So i and many others believe that intel gma is performing slow
[13:37] <thomas__> I'm interested a photodatabase for intrepid, any suggtions?
[13:37] <^Manu> kubuntu
[13:38] <^Manu> oh, runnung from root :/
[13:38] <Agent_bob> hmmm   what does    sudo xhost +LOCAL:  #say to you ?
[13:38] <^Manu> sorry! that was silly of me!
[13:38] <amijai> anyone?
[13:38] <^Manu> the same shell i was using the compile the drivers :/
[13:38] <Agent_bob> you really shouldn't compile as superuser.
[13:38] <amijai> how do I find out which device I should use for the mount command?
[13:39] <^Manu> Opengl renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[13:39] <Agent_bob> amijai what are you mounting ?
[13:39] <^Manu> that's not good...
[13:39] <^Manu> i suppose that's because i didn't build the mesa driver too..
[13:39] <^Manu> i couldn't get it to build :(
[13:40] <Agent_bob> amijai i missed what you were trying to mount... could you repete
[13:40] <wesley> here runs desktop effects, but getting low framrates, i believe thats a bug
[13:45] <^Manu> so i'm a bit screwed :(
[13:47] <jannoTT> Is there a way to make Konsole work in Kdevelop?
[13:47] <amijai> bob: I want to know what is the device (under /dev) for the usb stick
[13:47] <amijai> I plugged it in but it does not mount automatically
[13:48] <amijai> I just want to ron mkfs.vfat to the device
[13:48] <Agent_bob> amijai ok that's going to be a variable of /dev/sd?   you can find out with the command  dmesg | grep -E 'sd. '  # i think
[13:48] <amijai> ron=run
[13:48] <amijai> cool!
[13:49] <amijai> forgot that one!
[13:49] <Agent_bob> amijai note that the whole device is sd? but if partitioned the partitions are   sd?#   where ? is a letter and # is a number
[13:51] <Agent_bob> amijai a variable of /dev/sd?   you can find out with the command#   dmesg | grep 'sd: '  # < correction
[13:52] <Agent_bob> well i still did it wrong,,,
[13:52] <Agent_bob> amijai a variable of /dev/sd?   you can find out with the command#   dmesg | grep -e 'sd.: '  # < correction #2 and that one does work.
[13:54] <Agent_bob> amijai you can see partition information with    sudo fdisk -l     or venella  fdisk -l /dev/sd?   if you have read access to the device nodes
[13:55] <Agent_bob> and if you don't have,  then   cat /proc/partitions    sould still work.
[13:58] <dstar> I've got a laptop with an ATI graphics processor (Radeon HD 3100M). Anyone know how I can swap between the LCD and an external monitor on the fly? I haven't had much luck...
[13:59] <^Manu> what is pkg-config?
[13:59] <amijai> thanks bob - that was it! got it!:-D
[13:59] <dstar> Googling hasn't helped either.
[14:00] <Agent_bob> amijai welcome,  always -gt 1 methoods of feline epidurmal removal.
[14:00] <amijai> another question
[14:01] <amijai> I would like to create a bootable dos disk from the usb stick and use it to update my bios
[14:02] <amijai> I have no floppy
[14:02] <^Manu> why the f*** won't kde remember the state of the taskbar whenever i restart?
[14:02] <^Manu> it completely re-organises the taskbar every time...
[14:02] <amijai> is there a way I can get an msdos boot image (*.img) and use dd?
[14:02] <DarkTan> i'm currently using Xubuntu, but I also want to use KDE, do i just use "sudo apt-get install KDE" or is there more to it?
[14:02] <^Manu> like it puts the clock in the middle, and the 'K' on the right and messes everything else around too.
[14:03] <Agent_bob> amijai one way would be to dl a bootable floppy image and dd it to the usb stick   then mount the stick and put the needed files there and reboot...
[14:03] <amijai> bob - that is exactly what I want to do
[14:04] <amijai> do you know where I can get / create such image?
[14:05] <Agent_bob> amijai google for   bootdisk download   or  bootdisk image     either should hit several
[14:08] <Agent_bob> amijai freedos would probably work for that
[14:10] <amijai> bob: I got the image, can you plz tell me the syntax for dd?
[14:11] <amijai> I thought: dd if=dos.im of=/dev/sdg1
[14:12] <amijai> freedos is what curropted the stick to begin with
[14:14] <Agent_bob> amijai i think you'll have to put the image dirrectly on the device rather than trying to put it in a partition.  i.e.   dd if=file.img of=/dev/sdg
[14:14] <amijai> k
[14:15] <Agent_bob> amijai that way at boot time the bios will see a floppy drive/disk  rather than a partitioned/hdd with a funky partition that it doesn't know what to do with...   :)
[14:16] <amijai> worked!
[14:17] <amijai> now, when I plugged it again - it mounted automaticaly and shows all the dos system disk files!
[14:17] <amijai> Thanks!
[14:17] <amijai> got to go
[14:17] <Agent_bob> ok.  well i'm out for a while,   you're welcome.
[14:18] <Agent_bob> shalom #kubuntu
[14:18] <DarkTan> so, anyone know how to install KDE from within Xfce?
[14:19] <Pici> DarkTan: kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage that holds all of the KDE stuffs
[14:21] <DarkTan> ok, so using sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install it? is there any this else i have to do with it? afterwards?
[14:22] <Bou> it everything goes fine, no :) then choose KDE session at login screen
[14:22] <craver_> what's a nice media player for KDE?
[14:23] <craver_> i've used mplayer from the command line for years, i think it's time to use something different
[14:24] <DarkTan> ok thx
[14:25] <Bou> craver_: kaffeine
[14:25] <DarkTan> the two that come with it are pretty good, Amarok for the music....K[something] for everything
[14:25] <DarkTan> yeah, kaffeine
[14:25] <Bou> but Amarok for music certainly :)
[14:26]  * DarkTan uses Amarok under Xfce too
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[14:28] <^Manu> so, how do i show the version of my video driver?
[14:29] <^Manu> i REALLY want to see the version of my video driver :(
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu: what video card do yu use?
[14:29] <^Manu> intel
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu: dpkg --l | grep xserver | grep intel
[14:31] <^Manu> ah, 2.5.99.1 .. good good, thx :)
[14:31] <^Manu> this is interesting then... this version should support my sound hardware.. but the sound is still not working :(
[14:31] <^Manu> so i need to build alsa against the video driver source or something?
[14:32] <^Manu> surely alsa can get the HDMI synk from the video driver at runtime?
[14:36] <cllaudyu> !ro
[14:37] <cllaudyu> !offtopic
[14:37] <menace82> hello everybody...
[14:37] <cllaudyu> heeloooo
[14:38] <cllaudyu> !plasma
[14:38] <cllaudyu> !crash
[14:40] <^Manu> can anyone please tell me why the F*** kubuntu can never remember teh taskbar layout?
[14:40] <^Manu> it rearranges the taskbar completely every time i restart..
[14:41] <dabear> so don't restart?
[14:41] <dabear> heh
[14:41] <DarkTan> save before restarting
[14:45] <amerigo_> !mobile
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu: maybe you havent got write access to your plasma config file
[14:47] <^Manu> where does that live?
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> ^Manu: when you turn off, click to save your session. I'll find where the file lives
[14:48] <^Manu> click to save my session?
[14:48] <^Manu> it doesn't save the state of the taskbar whenever i finsh modifying it?
[14:49] <robin0800> ^Manu: settings advanced session
[14:54] <nHawk> does any know why there is keyboard lag in intrepid ibex and not in hardy heron?
[14:54] <nHawk> any one*
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> nHawk: bad settings
[14:54] <nHawk> ActionParsnip: default settings are bad ? :S
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> nHawk: usually, defaults suck
[14:55] <nHawk> ActionParsnip: can u suggest me some ideas?
[14:55] <^Manu> in settings advanced session manager, what am i interested in?
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> !keyboard | nHawk
[14:58] <nHawk> ok let me try that :)
[15:00] <robin0800> ^Manu: let it save your session ....you could also try to lock the taskbar
[15:11] <^Manu> i've locked the taskbar, it doesn't respect that.
[15:12] <^Manu> and theres no option to save my session, there's only "restore previous session", which is selected/
[15:17] <^Manu> how can i check my alsa version?
[15:18] <IppatsuMan> ^Manu: dpkg -l | grep ' alsa'
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> IppatsuMan: you can grep -i alsa too (-i == case insensitive) ;)
[15:20] <IppatsuMan> ActionParsnip: all packages have lowercase names, so that's not necessary :)
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> IppatsuMan: its just habit for me
[15:23] <IppatsuMan> it's a habit for me too :)
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> IppatsuMan: i keep meaning to alias it but never bother
[15:31] <SiVA_> hey
[15:32] <SiVA_> I installed the ati fglrx drivers and it screwed my x server. How do I get it back?
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:34] <SiVA_> I tried that, but it didn't work
[15:34] <SiVA_> how can I stop the KDE window manager from the console, and then restart it?
[15:35] <craver_> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[15:35] <craver_> depending on your version
[15:36] <SiVA_> when I start it, my screen flashes a few times and then it eventually starts but it's really slow
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: that will set your xorg.conf back to defaults, theres also the repair x server in the recovery menu of grub
[15:36] <SiVA_> it was working fine until I installed those damn ati drivers
[15:37] <SiVA_> actionparsnip I will try that
[15:37] <SiVA_> (recovery mode) ... trying that
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> SiVA_: esc when grub loads
[15:39] <Zehava> I need to run sed through and entire directory and remove 1 string every instance it is found, is this possible?
[15:40] <SiVA_> ati driver install did something whacky to my system
[15:40] <SiVA_> xfix didn't work
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Zehava: find -name *.txt -exec sed <somestuff {} \;
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Zehava: will execute sed <somestuff on all *.txt files for example, {} means the filename found (absolute path)
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> Zehava: i'd look into find exec, its damn powefulf
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> !sound
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> !medibuntu
[15:46] <flipflop> hi.  The "end" key on my laptop is not working under KDE.  How can I fix it?
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> flipflop: does it create an event in xev? do you have the correct keyboard layout set?
[15:48] <flipflop> i dunno
[15:48] <flipflop> how do I check the xev thing?
[15:49] <Skefv> Hello
[15:49] <flipflop> ah, I got it.. yea, xev registers the end key
[15:49] <Zehava> ActionParsnip thanks
[15:50] <Skefv> I have gotten Kubuntu on my eee-pc and i need some good wlan application that works well with kde and is user friendly, can you help me?
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> Zehava: id make a test bunch of files to check your syntax, or backup the data before you run the command
[15:51] <Zehava> ActionParsnip thanks, I have all of this backed up on a thumb drive and another directory on the pc it's self
[15:51] <jpedroza> Skefv: I use the default KNetworkManager for managing wlan
[15:52] <Skefv> I think its too hard to use when you need to write in ipadresses for it
[15:52] <Skefv> i would like some application to search for wlans
[15:58] <Saizoku> sorry, i got a bluescreen (yes i am on windows) can someone review if i got any help? Thanks :)
[16:03] <Skefv> And again. :o
[16:11] <Zehava> how can I install a java jdk and/or jre to read globaly in kubunut?  I need the newest one that isn't in the apt list yet
[16:12] <DaSkreech> Skefv: You are Saizoku ?
[16:12] <Skefv> Yeah
[16:12] <DaSkreech> Zehava: Get it from Sun then
[16:12] <DaSkreech> what's the problem ?
[16:13] <Zehava> I am downloading it, and I have the jdk already, but java -version still shows the old one, how do I get the system to recognize it?
[16:14] <DaSkreech> You probably need to have it in your path
[16:14] <Zehava> right
[16:14] <Zehava> and i"m not sure how to add that
[16:15] <Zehava> I was told and showed a GUI that I"m suppose to use to do it a few weeks ago but I've reinstalled since then and didn't write down the name
[16:15] <jojo__> i don't see in ubuntu 8.10 one wlan but in 8.04 i'm see it, it's only in this wlan the rest of wlan are correct
[16:17] <ubuntu> is super Ubuntu supported the same as Ubuntu or is this a different org
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Different Organization
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Zehava: Where did it install to?
[16:19] <jojo__> i don't see in ubuntu 8.10 one wlan but in 8.04 i'm see it, it's only in this wlan the rest of wlan are correct
[16:20] <jojo__> please help
[16:20] <Zehava> it just extracts to a directory in my home at the moment
[16:20] <ubuntu> i wonder will Ubuntu adopt some of these same features
[16:20] <craver_> what do you mean you can't see it?
[16:21] <jojo__> in wicd or knetwork not appear
[16:21] <jojo__> sorry for my english
[16:22] <prometheus77> howshouldipartitonmynewharddrive?
[16:22] <DaSkreech> Zehava: Ah well .. Umm do you want that to be accessible by your entire system?
[16:22] <prometheus77> sorrymyspacebarkeyisbrokenok ?
[16:23] <DaSkreech> prometheus77: lol. What do you want on it?
[16:23] <prometheus77> i want to pack it full of the pinguinz
[16:27] <simon_> hey
[16:28] <simon_> im in desperate need of some help before im forced to put vista back on :(
[16:28] <Zehava> DaSkreech yes I would like to have my jre and jdk accessable by the entire system without having to put in the full path at every use.  Would be great
[16:28] <jpedroza> simon_: No one can force you to put Vista back on.
[16:28] <DaSkreech> prometheus77: Make a good sized /home partition then
[16:28] <DaSkreech> simon_: ask
[16:29] <DaSkreech> Zehava: Edit your $PATH in ~/.bashrc
[16:29] <DaSkreech> !path
[16:29] <DaSkreech> Dumb bot
[16:29] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: Can you walk Zehava through adding a ~/dir to his $PATH
[16:29] <DaSkreech> assuming that Zehava is a he :)
[16:29] <simon_> i have an ati card ive followed every damn guide i can find yet i cannot get World of Warcraft to work under wine it loads but the graphical tearing is unreal its unreadable yet it worked fine when i had gentoo on ?
[16:30] <DaSkreech> !wow
[16:30] <DaSkreech> simon_: May want to upgrade to the latest Wine. Also ask in #winehq They probably have a bot just to answer that question
[16:30] <DaSkreech> Maybe two >_>
[16:31] <dr_willis> edit .bashrc - and put the proper line in there. :)              at the end.. export  PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
[16:31] <craver_> i miss BaLtHoR :( RIP
[16:31] <Zehava> Yes I"m a he
[16:31] <simon_> lol just seems wierd how i managed to get it working fine in gentoo but the person im doing this for can't use it as its too complicated :P
[16:31] <Zehava> lol
[16:33] <simon_> right off to wine hq il give u an update :-)
[16:35] <craver_> how can i disable the screen saver from command line?  power management crashes in KDE 4.2 so i can't disable it there.
[16:35] <Skefv> Did you come up with some help for me? =o
[16:36] <Skefv> And can i change wallpaper in kde? =o
[16:36] <BlueG> I upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 only to find that the video driver no longer works with processors lacking SSE support and KDE will no longer start. any suggestions?
[16:38] <BlueG> Fix the nvidia driver somehow? Downgrade? Would installing an alternate DE possibly get the system working for now?
[16:38] <dr_willis> alternative desktop - is a good thing to test out.
[16:39] <dr_willis> depending on your needs. You may just want a different window manager.
[16:39] <BlueG> dr_willis: any suggestions? What package should I try installing?
[16:39] <BlueG> like xdm or gdm as opposed to kdm?
[16:39] <dr_willis> those are just login managers.. not desktops
[16:40] <BlueG> oh, I guess kwin is the window manager
[16:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   for the 'xfce' desktop,,, ubuntu-desktop for gnome
[16:40] <dr_willis> window managers... fluxbox, jwm, icewm,  openbox, are all popular
[16:41] <dr_willis> alternative file managers - rox-filer, thunar,  gentoo,
[16:41] <dr_willis> I tend to use jwm + rox-filer on my low end systems :) or my high end systems wheni want somthing quick
[16:46] <Skefv> so there are no other application for wlansurfing?
[16:47]  * dr_willis isent sure what   wlansurfing    is.
[16:48] <slow-motion> hi
[16:48] <Skefv> i meant
[16:48] <Skefv> An application to scan for wlan and connect to wlan
[16:49] <Skefv> Knetworkmanager doesn't really fit me :p
[16:49] <dr_willis> I tend to use gnome. :)
[16:49] <Skefv> Oh.
[16:49] <dr_willis> Tsting out EEEbuntu on my AcerAspireOne at the moment
[16:50] <HappySmileMan> Anyone know if there are KDevelop packages for Kubuntu yet?
[16:50] <HappySmileMan> (KDevelop4 that is)
[16:50] <Skefv> dr_willis, i got eeebuntu with kde installed
[16:51] <Skefv> on my eeepc :)
[16:51] <dr_willis> I wonder why they made their own launcher.. instead of using Matchbox for the desktop.. but i guesss 'matchbox' is tooweird of a Desktop for most peoples needs.
[16:51] <dr_willis> !info matchbox
[16:52] <Skefv> :o
[17:22] <biagidp> I've got two monitors working in 8.10 using xinerama, but my second monitor doesn't show a desktop background and the application on that screen dont show on the taskbar.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:26] <sehven> guys i placed "." before a file name
[17:26] <sehven> how can i access it?
[17:28] <sehven> found it ^^
[17:33] <DaSkreech> sehven: Welome to Unix :)
[17:34] <jezza1> One problem with it thoujgh DaS.  DOENS RUN WOW VERY WELL lol
[17:34] <sehven> thx das
[17:34] <DaSkreech> jezza1: Sounds like a problem with WOW :)
[17:35] <DaSkreech> opensource WOW and in 6 months it will get sorted
[17:35]  * DaSkreech waves at secondlife
[17:35] <sehven> hehe
[17:35] <jezza1> naw works on my windows partition. just not my Kubuntu or my ubuntu
[17:35] <sehven> can konversation fileserve?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> Fileserve ?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> You mean transfer files? Or act as a permanent server ?
[17:36] <sehven> yea like mirc+omen+autoget thing
[17:36] <sehven> perma server
[17:36] <DaSkreech> 	/me shrugs
[17:36]  * sehven always gets my music from irc
[17:37] <awry> hey everybody
[17:37] <awry> anyone have any tips for downgrading bluez on intrepid?
[17:38] <awry> i believe i need to compile bluez3 from source, then recompile whatever package(s) contain solid, correct?
[17:38] <awry> which would be one or more kdebase-* packages?
[17:39] <sehven> got prob with audio tho
[17:40] <sehven> no sound comes out from big speaker
[17:40] <awry> anyone know which kdebase-* package(s) need recompiled?
[17:40] <sehven> tho its connected with small speaker, same jack
[17:43] <titanix88> hello! I am having trouble with ekiga. Can anyone help?
[17:43] <DaSkreech> awry: For bluetooth?
[17:44] <titanix88> It looks like I cannot register. Im sure I got right username and password.
[17:44] <titanix88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/102256/
[17:44] <g_> my firefox just became broken lastnight after a kubuntu nightly update with kde 4.2 beta 2
[17:44] <g_> anyone else experience this?
[17:44] <g_> all of my bookmarks are no longer visible
[17:45] <DaSkreech> g_: Hmm ?
[17:45] <awry> DaSkreech: yes, for bluetooth/solid
[17:45] <DaSkreech> awry: What version of KDE ?
[17:45] <awry> my understanding is bluetooth is integrated into solid
[17:45] <awry> DaSkreech: 4.2b2
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[17:45] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:45] <DaSkreech> #kde or #solid
[17:45] <g_> Daschreech and my homepage was reset to this mozilla.org page
[17:46] <ubuntu> ah, kohomada kattiya?
[17:46] <ubuntu> baratama chat wage ne?
[17:46] <DaSkreech> KDE doesnt have anything to do with Firefox so I'm not sure unless your profile changed
[17:46] <awry> DaSkreech: it's a (k)ubuntu packaging question more than a kde/solid question
[17:46] <awry> e.g., which ubuntu package contains solid?
[17:46] <ubuntu> magulak katha karanawa
[17:46] <DaSkreech> !ph
[17:47] <DaSkreech> I think
[17:47] <ubuntu> oi, umbalata mawa penne nadda?
[17:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: taglog ?
[17:47] <ubuntu> cant u see me?
[17:47] <g_> daschreech well my homepage is still set to google in my preferences in firefox but it sends me to mozilla.org so that's pretty weird it happened after lastnights updates
[17:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Yes but I dont know which language
[17:48] <ubuntu> ah... sorry its..
[17:48] <DaSkreech> g_: Check your profiles
[17:48] <ubuntu> kamak nadda?
[17:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Which country? :)
[17:48] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:49] <sehven> thats not tagalog
[17:49] <mk> hola a todos!!
[17:49] <DaSkreech> sehven: What is it?
[17:49] <sehven> malaysian i  guess
[17:49] <mk> alguien que me pueda echar una mano??
[17:49] <DaSkreech> mk: hola Espanol?
[17:49] <DaSkreech> !es
[17:49] <ubuntu> ponna rala... mama yanawa... BYe!!!
[17:49] <Guest13294> si DaSkreech
[17:50] <ubuntu> ane pako, mata owa therenne na huthige putho
[17:50] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:50] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: bye! Um mama yanawa
[17:50] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Which language?
[17:50] <DaSkreech> !es | Mkel
[17:51] <ubuntu> gon hutho katha karapan English walin
[17:51] <shb> !bluetooth
[17:51] <Mkel> #ubuntu-es
[17:51] <craver_> !narf
[17:52] <ubuntu> mona bluetooth da? ai Wifi nadda umbala gawa? :P
[17:52] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:52] <craver_> --ProfileManager
[17:52] <ubuntu> monawada umbala oya kiyawana kunu harupa?
[17:52] <ubuntu> in India ehema nam na
[17:52] <DaSkreech> g_: What craver_said
[17:53] <ubuntu> kawda hutho danne
[17:53] <DaSkreech> Ah
[17:53] <DaSkreech> !in
[17:53] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-in
[17:53] <ubuntu> no no... its not an Indian
[17:53] <craver_> :)
[17:53] <DaSkreech> then it is .... ?
[17:54] <craver_> !zu
[17:54] <ubuntu> its different. I just are there anyone can understand my language, means I checked are there anyone chat in my country
[17:54] <ubuntu> * I just check
[17:54] <g_> Daschreech I dont know what !narf means, I'm not really in the mood for stupid games Im just going to delete it
[17:55] <DaSkreech> g_: What?
[17:55] <DaSkreech> g_: Run firefox from the command line with --ProfileManager
[17:55] <oim> hi everone
[17:55] <ubuntu> hi paka
[17:55] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Ok but you can find a room with people that speak your language
[17:55] <g_> Daschreech I already deleted it Im going to start fresh
[17:56] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: even if someone here spoke then you could not talk here
[17:56] <ubuntu> no I don't, its Kubunto default IRC chat
[17:56] <oim> i want to upgrade amarok to 2 but it is imposible to find the package
[17:56] <DaSkreech> !amarok
[17:57] <DaSkreech> oim: a) it's on www.kubuntu.org b) why do you want to upgrade ?
[17:58] <oim> DaSkreech: to use new version
[17:58] <g_> Daschreech ok Ive reinstalled firefox but its still broken, this sucks
[17:59] <DaSkreech> oim: You know it has less features ?
[17:59] <g_> Daschreech there is no profile to change its just on default
[17:59] <DaSkreech> g_: It's probably using a new profile instead of your old one. Is there a set of directories in ~/.mozilla ?
[17:59] <DaSkreech> g_: That's what I mean it made a new default
[18:00] <oim> DaSkreech:  i know it has more features :)
[18:00] <ek> Hi, all. I have an interesting problem that I can't seem to fix.
[18:01] <ek> I rebooted my Kubuntu 8.04.1 machine today to have it mount all file systems read-only every time I boot.
[18:01] <oim> i do what is writing there http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0. but it is impossible to find package. what is wrong
[18:01] <ek> I've tried running fsck on /dev/sda1 from an install disk and everything reports fine.
[18:02] <ek> I've even removed the errors=remount-ro from the /etc/fstab file and still get a read-only file system every time I boot. Is there something I'm missing?
[18:02] <apow> well, show us dmesg.
[18:03] <g_> Daschreech there's just the default profile in there
[18:04] <g_> Daschreech should i move that profile away from in there?
[18:04] <awry> anybody know what happened to ubuntuforms?
[18:04] <awry> forums, that is
[18:04] <niklauz> is there a way to put more than one irc command on one line?
[18:04] <niklauz>  " ; " maybe?
[18:05] <g_> Daschreech lol this is getting better and better I can't even do a search anymore with firefox in google, it wont let me
[18:06] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/dmesg.txt
[18:06] <g_> Daschreech how do you move a file in linux?
[18:06] <g_> Daschreech I cant do a web search to find out how
[18:06] <dstar> Hey, my external LCD monitor is ghosting slightly to the right... is there any change that's an X problem, or is it going to be hardware?
[18:08] <apow> ek: nothing wrong with your dmesg.
[18:08] <apow> well did you try a remount?
[18:08] <apow> mount / -o rw,remount
[18:08] <ek> apow: Yes. The remount works although it still won't fully start.
[18:09] <ek> And, if I reboot, it goes into read-only again.
[18:09] <apow> what do you mean "won't fully start"
[18:09] <ek> apow: Well, if I go into recovery mode and run the remount then go back to "normal boot" or whatnot, I never get an X server anything.
[18:09] <dstar> (I.E., do I need to look at a new monitor/cable?)
[18:10] <ek> apow: My guess is due to /var and such still being read-only.
[18:10] <apow> are you, by any chance, using a hand-compiled kernell?
[18:10] <ek> ... which I can't remount.
[18:10] <apow> oh you cant? why?
[18:11] <ek> apow: No. Nothing like that. The system is 100% default.
[18:11] <apow> ok, and why can't you remount /var
[18:11] <apow> ?
[18:11] <ek> apow: Not sure. The /var partition isn't listen in the /etc/fstab.
[18:11] <apow> oh wait
[18:11] <ek> s/listen/listed/
[18:11] <apow> do you actually have a /var partition?
[18:11] <apow> or is it simply under / ?
[18:11] <ek> Nope. Should be part of /
[18:11] <apow> then /var cannot be ro if / is rw.
[18:12] <apow> run these: touch /testfile; touch /var/testfile
[18:12] <ek> apow: That's what I would think also.
[18:12] <apow> see those files actually get created
[18:12] <apow> after you remount of course.
[18:12]  * Mekzholan looses the K-Menu and other programms (Firefox, Thunderbird) from the controllbar after shutdown and restart. :( Can anybody help me?
[18:13] <ek> Hrm. Seems to work now. That's strange as it wouldn't let me write to /var after a remount earlier.
[18:13] <ek> Now, if I go into "normal boot" everything seems to work okay.
[18:13] <ek> However, I'm wondering if it will choke on the next boot again...
[18:13] <apow> ^
[18:13] <apow> \o/
[18:13] <adams> I have a pcmcia sound card because my onboard card doesnt work, but I cant seem to unmute the pcmcia card. Its an audigy2 z5.  How do I disable the onboard sound driver
[18:13] <apow> try it right now.
[18:13] <ek> apow: I am. One moment...
[18:14] <ek> apow: Right back to read-only...
[18:14] <LazersX> Gah,
[18:15] <LazersX> Kubuntu boots up to a prompt.
[18:15] <LazersX> Help..?
[18:15] <ek> apow: Strange thing is, there was no bad shutdown or anything previous to this. I simply shut the machine down normally to check the RAM type...
[18:15] <ek> Rebooted into issues.
[18:15] <ek> Might be related to some updates or something though.
[18:15] <Mekzholan> Does anyone know where the system settings for the controllbar are stored?
[18:15] <apow> dcop test from command line
[18:15] <LazersX> Hold on.
[18:16] <apow> nice.
[18:16] <apow> ek: really weird.
[18:17] <LazersX> dcop not found?
[18:17] <g_> daschreech now it says firefox is already running and you must first close it, I uninstalled it and reinstalled it
[18:17] <nicolas_> Mekzholan: controlbar?
[18:17] <apow> what happens is that upon booting your / is mounted root-only
[18:17] <LazersX> Ye
[18:17] <Bou> Mekzholan: you mean the panel at bottom?
[18:17] <apow> afterwards some process remounts / as rw
[18:17] <g_> dude this is crazy
[18:17] <Mekzholan> Bou: yes, the bar at the bottom
[18:17] <apow> this process is probably borking
[18:17] <apow> or the caller
[18:17] <LazersX> So what do I do?
[18:17] <Bou> Mekzholan: right-click, "add panel"
[18:17] <g_> does anyone know how to totally remove firefox?
[18:18] <Mekzholan> Bou: the thing with the K-menu that's constanty disapparing after reboot for me :(
[18:18] <LazersX> Anyone got help?
[18:18] <Bou> Mekzholan: :( not sure I can be of any help about it
[18:19] <Mekzholan> :(
[18:19] <LazersX> It boots into busybox, not X.
[18:19] <Mekzholan> even google doesn't show many similar problems :(
[18:20] <apow> ek: check the file /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh
[18:21] <LazersX> I installed it from windows, though.
[18:21] <apow> check the line rootmode
[18:21] <LazersX> How?
[18:22] <apow> ek: found it?
[18:23] <g_> Hey mmy firefox is totally broken, this is super freakin crazy
[18:23] <g_> I remove it and reinstall it and it still saysits running
[18:23] <LazersX> Hellpp?
[18:24] <apow> killall -9 firefox; killall -9 firefox-bin
[18:24] <g_> I changed the default profile to default.old and that's when things really got messed up
[18:24] <LazersX> Im on the grub edit menu.
[18:24] <dstar> ...hardware. Great. Well, at least I remembered I had a spare monitor.
[18:24] <g_> apow it says no process killed
[18:24] <LazersX> Eh, well, Kubuntu fails.
[18:24]  * LazersX uninstalls.
[18:25] <apow> g_: ps -ef | grep firefox
[18:25] <LazersX> Thanks for not helping. Bye.
[18:27] <g_> 6348  6322  0 11:25 pts/1    00:00:00 grep firefox
[18:30] <ek> apow: Hold on a sec...
[18:30] <ek> I went for a smoke break while I let it choke on the LDAP auth (Due to no network) and now it seems to have booted normally.
[18:30] <jpedroza> I am having an issue with Intrepid where I lose the ability to click with the mouse. It only seems to happen with dual monitors enabled with my Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT.
[18:30] <ek> I couldn't watch to see if it was doing any checks due to the LDAP retry every 1 second.
[18:30] <ek> I'll reboot now to see if its fixed.
[18:30] <apow> read what i said about checkroot.sh
[18:31] <jpedroza> Has anyone else seen this?
[18:31] <kkkduifjalsdd> is there a tool which can search a word is many pdf files?
[18:32] <jpedroza> A restart of X fixes the no-click issue
[18:32] <ek> apow: Ah. Thanks. I'll take a look.
[18:33] <g_> apow that command just gave me some numbers
[18:33] <g_> apow is there anything that I should do next?
[18:34] <g_> Im going to reboot
[18:35] <adams> does kde4 still use alsa?
[18:35] <DarkSmoke> oi
[18:35] <DarkSmoke> does kubuntu has a GUI to configure disks ? i forgot to use the swap partition during install.. lol
[18:38] <DarkSmoke> wait it is being use by ksysguard is saying no space available
[18:38] <DarkSmoke> hmm :S
[18:39] <g_> MY firefox is officially destroyed, does anyone know how to totally remove it?
[18:39] <khakane> apt-get remove firefox
[18:40] <g_> that wont do it, there's still settings that are saved
[18:40] <DarkSmoke> go to your home directory from konsole
[18:41] <khakane> rm -rf /etc/firefox-3.0/
[18:41] <DarkSmoke> and do rm -rf .firefox
[18:41] <DarkSmoke> and rm -rf .mozilla
[18:41] <khakane> i dont think there is a .firefox, its in .mozilla
[18:41] <g_> I just went to apt get remove firefox and it says firefox is not installed
[18:41] <ek> apow: The checkroot.sh script is there.
[18:42] <g_> I dont know about you guys but this seems malicious
[18:42] <g_> this is pretty messed up for some random bug
[18:43] <g_> this happened lastnight and hti is weird
[18:43] <rapid_> kubuntu.de
[18:45] <DaSkreech> g_: Sorry lots of calls here
[18:47] <g_> daschreech its cool, I suppose whenever anyone gets a chance to show me how to totally remove firefox I would be very grateful
[18:55] <apow> ek: ok, how about the rootmode line?
[18:55] <apow> ek: does it state "rw"?
[18:55] <ek> apow: Yes. rw.
[18:56] <apow> then i don't know what else could you do
[18:56] <apow> I'd suggest running checkroot.sh start by hand
[18:56] <ek> apow: It might also be an LDAP issue.
[18:56] <apow> but I don't know the side effects.
[18:56] <ek> apow: Okay. I'll give that a shot as well.
[18:57] <apow> oh wait
[18:57] <apow> luiz@sekishusai:/home$ mount
[18:57] <apow> /dev/sdb2 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[18:57] <apow> what's the output of your mount command?
[18:57] <ek> Well, completely b0rking the machine /CAN/ be done. I'm not using it for anything at the moment.
[18:58] <ek> apow: I'll paste. Hold on a tick...
[19:00] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/mount.txt
[19:01] <apow> kde is opening OO writer for txt files
[19:01] <apow> lol
[19:01] <apow> your / is mounted rw
[19:01] <apow> 99% certain this is a LDAP issue then.
[19:02] <apow> as root, type id -a
[19:02] <ek> Exactly. That's what made me think the same.
[19:02] <apow> as your sudo-enabled local user, type id -a as well
[19:02] <ek> As soon as I'm finished with this work, I'll test some more stuff.
[19:03] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/id-a.txt
[19:03] <ek> ^ id -a output.
[19:04] <apow> do you have a LDAP user named ek as well?
[19:05] <ek> Yes. That's the user I'm logged in with now.
[19:05] <ek> There is no local "ek" user.
[19:05] <ek> I used a local "admin" account earlier when troubleshooting.
[19:06] <ek> There must just be something mis-configured somewhere.
[19:06] <g_> anyone know how to completely remove firefox, Ive used synaptic to do it and it didnt work.
[19:06] <apow> ensure that you are a member of those: groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),115(admin),125(sambashare)
[19:11] <ek> apow: Okay. Thanks.
[19:11] <ek> g_: You can try: sudo apt-get remove firefox
[19:16] <g_> ek that doesn't work mit says it doesnt exist
[19:18] <ek> g_: What exactly remains that shouldn't be there? The executable and everything?
[19:21] <g_> ek configuration files
[19:21] <g_> ek if i remove it and reinstall it, firefox is still totally completely horribly messed up
[19:24] <vito_> buonasera! chi mi può dare una mano con ilkde di 8.10 bloccato?
[19:24] <Pici> !it | vito_
[19:24] <Mamarok> !it | vito_
[19:25] <ek> g_: Oh. Do you want to start from scratch then?
[19:25] <vito_> sorry!
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> when compiling QtCurve for KDE4 i used: ~/Desktop/QtCurve-KDE4-0.60.0/build$ cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> i also have QtCurve for KDE3 sources. how do i compile it?
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in kubuntu 8.10.
[19:26] <g_> ek yes I do indeed
[19:27] <ek> g_: As the user you run Firefox as, type: rm -rf ~/.mozilla/
[19:28] <conni> hola cual es el canal en español soy nuevo
[19:28] <ek> That will wipe Firefox's slate completely clean. It will need to regenerate new files upon it's next start.
[19:29] <g_> wow that totally worked!!
[19:29] <conni> hola alguien que me ayude
[19:29] <g_> ek thanks your the best man
[19:29] <yao_ziyuan> i'd just ignore KDE3
[19:29] <hyper_ch> !es | conni
[19:30] <conni> gracias
[19:30] <imad> wots up ?
[19:30] <imad> nothing else matter$
[19:31] <ek> g_: Welcome.
[19:46] <Koordin> hi i have kubuntu 8.10 : how can i write an unicode char knowing his code ?
[19:47] <galaad> Sorry, I don't understand what you want
[19:48] <Koordin> let's say i want to write the char unicode 8866, how can i enter it ? on windows it was Alt + 8866 then release Alt ; but on kubuntu 8.10 i don't know how to do
[19:49] <galaad> hum
[19:49] <galaad> Have you search on google?
[19:49] <Koordin> i've seen several ways to do it, but none works
[19:50] <galaad> Hum...
[19:50] <galaad> Sorry, I don't know
[19:51] <Koordin> ctrl + shit + code does not work ; for ctrl + shit + u there is a problem because i've set another shortcut ; but i can't find where i can set the shortcut for the unicode chars
[19:51] <Koordin> i've searched in "Keyboard & Mouse"
[19:51] <galaad> yes
[19:51] <galaad> and there's nothing?
[19:52] <Koordin> i did not find
[19:53] <galaad> hum
[19:53] <galaad> I've the same result
[19:53] <galaad> try to find on the doc's website
[19:53] <galaad> I don't know sorry
[19:53] <galaad> It's a very good question^^
[19:53] <resno> hello all. i am trying to add ssh on my kubuntu install, and i cant find the program in the add/remove software list.
[19:54] <Xpert> i need help
[19:54] <Xpert> i ve installed rpm package but it dont run normally
[19:54] <resno> xpert: what is the problem?
[19:54] <Xpert> rpm -ivh filename ? is the command to install a rpm file ?
[19:54] <Xpert> i need to install a rpm file
[19:54] <Xpert> but i got rpm from apt-get install rpm
[19:54] <Xpert> and now it is suckking
[19:55] <resno> xpert: you said it doesnt run normally?
[19:55] <Xpert> yes
[19:55] <Xpert> i will show the error ooone moment
[19:55] <khakane> ew rpms in ubuntu
[19:55] <Xpert> kubuntu i m using
[19:55] <Xpert> rpm is a red hat system file isnt ?
[19:55] <khakane> ok, how about.. ew.. rpms in debian based linux distros..
[19:56] <resno> hello all. i am trying to add ssh on my kubuntu install, and i cant find the program in the add/remove software list.
[19:56] <Pici> RPMs should not be installed in Ubuntu.
[19:56] <khakane> resno: you could apt-get install ssh
[19:56] <Pici> resno: The client or the server? or both?
[19:56] <resno> pici: server
[19:56] <Xpert> resno:  it says for me install alien
[19:56] <Xpert> what is this ? a package ?
[19:56] <Pici> resno: khakane's command will install the server and client
[19:56] <khakane> yup
[19:57] <Xpert> error in /var/lib/rpm
[19:57] <resno> ok that will work for me!
[19:57] <Xpert> database cant be opened
[19:57] <Pici> Xpert: What software are you trying to install?
[19:57] <resno> pici: thanks, kgakane!
[19:57] <Xpert> AdobeReader8.rpm
[19:57] <Xpert> smth like acrobat reader
[19:58] <Xpert> what may  i do ?
[19:58] <Pici> kpdf or okular should be able to open it.
[19:58] <Xpert> Pici when i downloaded the file .pdf showed a screen saying "open with"
[19:58] <Xpert> okular is instaled
[19:59] <Xpert> but where are the file to me path it ?
[19:59] <Xpert> i dont know nothing about linux
[19:59] <Pici> Xpert: /usr/bin/okular
[19:59] <Xpert> ok i ll try
[19:59] <Xpert> all the prograns of the system are in /usr/bin ?
[20:00] <Pici> Xpert: Many, but not all.
[20:00] <Xpert> and where are the others ?
[20:00] <Xpert> in /lib ?
[20:00] <Pici> Not usually.
[20:00] <Xpert> where then ?
[20:00] <Pici> `which okular` should show you the location
[20:01] <Pici> echo $PATH will tell you where binaries generally could be
[20:01] <Xpert> ok okular runned now ty
[20:01] <Xpert> but now i want to learn isntall a rpm file
[20:01] <Xpert> i ve got the rpm package
[20:01]  * Pici sighs
[20:01] <Pici> !rpm
[20:02] <Xpert> Pici:  alien is the name of the package ?
[20:02] <Pici> !info alien
[20:02] <Xpert> ok ty
[20:02] <Pici> Xpert: Yes, but if the install fails or does other weird things we cannot help you
[20:02] <resno> bots are very helpful ;)
[20:03] <Xpert> how can i force my cd rom to eject ?
[20:04] <Xpert> Pici:
[20:04] <craver_> eject
[20:04] <craver_> sudo eject
[20:04] <Xpert> ok
[20:04] <Xpert> ty
[20:05] <craver_> BaLtHoR was the greatest bot ever.
[20:05] <craver_> RIP
[20:06] <Xpert> i need help
[20:06] <Xpert> crash when installing alien
[20:06] <Xpert> it says for me put the cd of kubuntu 8.10 and press enter i put and nothing happens
[20:06] <resno> xpert: they told you earlier they cant help you with it!
[20:06] <Xpert> same error
[20:06] <Xpert> ok
[20:06] <Xpert> :(
[20:07] <resno> pici said it earlier...
[20:07] <Xpert> ok
[20:08] <Xpert> i have one doubt
[20:09] <Xpert> when i use the command su for root
[20:09] <Xpert> i put my keyword and it say authentification failed
[20:09] <Xpert> why
[20:09] <Xpert> ?
[20:09] <Xpert> another
[20:09] <robin0800> its sudo
[20:09] <Xpert> how can i exit from root
[20:09] <Xpert> but for what uses su ?
[20:09] <ye||ow> strg+d
[20:09] <resno> robin0800: whats the diff between sudo and su?
[20:10] <resno> su is when you are running a command? sudo is for login in a root?
[20:10] <robin0800> sudo is kde and ubuntu version of su
[20:10] <Xpert> i wanna have permission of root only
[20:10] <Xpert> ok
[20:10] <Xpert> but when i take a su and it says authenfication failed
[20:11] <Xpert> isnt weird ?
[20:11] <resno> xpert: is your password right?
[20:11] <Xpert> it shouldnt root me ?
[20:11] <Xpert> yes
[20:11] <Xpert> sure
[20:11] <Xpert> with sudo i can root and install everything
[20:11] <Xpert> but when i try only su for root forever it dont runs
[20:12] <khakane> why not try something like
[20:12] <khakane> sudo bash
[20:12] <Pici> Xpert: use sudo -i
[20:12] <Pici> !sudo | please read
[20:12] <Xpert> Pici:  it said invalid option
[20:13] <khakane> Xpert: sudo bash
[20:13] <Pici> Xpert: Just sudo -i
[20:13] <khakane> wil drop you to root bash
[20:13] <Xpert> i m using the bush
[20:13] <Xpert> ok
[20:13] <Xpert> sudo -i runned
[20:13] <Xpert> now how to exit from root ?
[20:13] <khakane> exit
[20:13] <Xpert> ok
[20:13] <Xpert> ty
[20:14] <Guest47973> i deleted two big files (2gig total) but i still only have 34meg free space, nothing in trash
[20:14] <resno> i think its funny... your name is xpert, but you are not an expert at all...
[20:14] <khakane> resno: ;)
[20:14] <Xpert> resno: i m not a pc xpert ;s
[20:14] <resno> xpert: what are you an xpert of?
[20:14] <ye||ow> Xpert: strg+d
[20:15] <Xpert> what is strg ?
[20:15] <Xpert> string ?
[20:15] <Xpert> resno:  in Math
[20:16] <faichele> "Strg" would be the "Ctrl" key in English...
[20:16] <Xpert> ok
[20:16] <faichele> And "Ctrl + D" is the escape sequence for a shell logout.
[20:16] <faichele> At least for sane shells like bash.
[20:16] <Xpert> ty
[20:16] <Xpert> :D
[20:16] <Xpert> i m learning much here
[20:17] <Xpert> but i cant install alien grrr
[20:17] <Xpert> i m nervous
[20:17] <Xpert> lol
[20:17] <Xpert> should i try adept ?
[20:17] <resno> xpert: if takes time. try doing some research for alien online.
[20:17] <Xpert> ok i ll
[20:17] <faichele> What do you need alien for with Kubuntu?
[20:17] <_rob_> i deleted two big files (2gig total) but i still only have 34meg free space, nothing in trash, where did the space go?
[20:17] <resno> faichele: he wants to run rpms.
[20:18] <Pici> Please use the software repositories before installing from source or RPMs.
[20:18] <resno> _rob_: was it truly deleted?
[20:18] <Pici> !software
[20:19] <_rob_> resno: i cant see them in file manager
[20:19] <faichele> I agree with Pici; if you can, stick with the Kubuntu repositories.
[20:19] <resno> he wants to go off into uncharted water, to make whatever program work.
[20:19] <resno> _rob_: it was a file and not a software correct?
[20:20] <_rob_> resno: yeah it was files
[20:21] <resno> _rob_: how did you go about deleting them?
[20:21] <vito_> on KDE 8.10 startup, when i have to input password, i cannot do everyting, no type and no move mouse pinter..
[20:22] <_rob_> pressed delete.....
[20:22] <vito_> until tha last shutdown it works
[20:22] <Xpert> what is a reposithory ?
[20:23] <Pici> Xpert: Please read  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[20:23] <resno> xpert: installing it through your programs install thing.
[20:23] <Xpert> ok
[20:24] <dr_willis> !repo
[20:24] <resno> _rob_: have you tried searching to see if it is indeed deleted?
[20:24] <rodut> HEllo
[20:24] <faichele> Add the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories; what you don
[20:24] <rodut> Need wireless help were do i turn?
[20:24] <dr_willis> !wireless
[20:24] <faichele> t find as Kubuntu package there doesn't exist.
[20:24] <dr_willis> for a start.. depends on the exact issue rodut .
[20:25] <rodut> thnx will check
[20:26] <rodut> dr_willis - I can not find my wireless, new to kubuntu.
[20:26] <resno> rodut: do you see a gear in the bottom right hand corner?
[20:27] <rodut> nope
[20:27] <dr_willis> check that restricted-drivers tool to see if you need to install any extra drivers/firmware for it.. You may need to track down what chipset your wireless card is also.
[20:28] <rodut> I've change from wpa2 to wpa personal sercurity on my router though i read that it is not supported..?
[20:28] <rodut> thnx dr_willis
[20:28] <rodut> will try that
[20:28] <resno> rodut: that would have little to do withthis. we first need to find if your chipset is supported.
[20:28] <Xpert> which is the path of gedit please ?
[20:29] <rodut> Atheros i think it is
[20:29] <resno> xpert: why do you need the path?
[20:30] <Xpert> to open sourceslists in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:30] <Xpert> to try see the problem with alien
[20:30] <resno> xpert: oh, you are still working with alien.
[20:30] <Xpert> yes
[20:30] <Xpert> i want to learn
[20:31] <rodut> Can i disable my network connection an activate again, in some way?
[20:31] <Xpert> it can be always helpfull in the future
[20:31] <resno> xpert: why would you want to learn about something that is not supported? and is not useful for this distro?
[20:31] <resno> rodut: is it an internal or external wifi?
[20:31] <Xpert> cuz in the future im thinking in changing to mandriva
[20:32] <rodut> internal
[20:32] <Xpert> mandriva is the fusion of which distributions ?
[20:32] <Xpert> connectiva ?
[20:32] <Xpert> i m brazilian i guess that will be good for me
[20:33] <Dario_Andres> hi Kubuntu people... is there a package which provides debug symbols for the qtnetwork module ? thanks
[20:34] <resno> rodut: do you see the icon that shows the eternet connection?
[20:34] <rodut> any time a try to type sudo apt- get something it allways respond sudo:unable to respond host rodut, why?
[20:34] <dr_willis> rodut,  have you changed your hostname recently?
[20:35] <dr_willis> !hostname
[20:35] <rodut> I have i white icon bottom left corner like a small switch thingy
[20:35] <dr_willis> unable to 'resolve' host rodut   perhaps tis saying?
[20:36] <rodut> yeah , thats correct sry i ment that
[20:36] <dr_willis> Your host's actrual hostname and /etc/hosts file some how are not in sync
[20:36] <dr_willis> which is why i asked if you have changed your hostname
[20:36] <Bundestrojaner> hello
[20:36] <rodut> No havent changed
[20:37] <resno> rodut: the error is saying that arent the same.
[20:37] <Bundestrojaner> a friend is using 8.10 on a system with an Radeon 7000, the problem is, he can't set a resolution higher than 800x600
[20:37] <resno> !video
[20:37] <rodut> Alright, any ideas how to fix it?
[20:38] <resno> !hostname
[20:38] <Bundestrojaner> resno: was the video for me?
[20:39] <resno> bundestrojaner: no.
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> k
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> but any ideas for the problem?
[20:39] <rodut> The p
[20:39] <rodut> roblem i
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> would the proprietary ati-driver fix this?
[20:40] <rodut> sry
[20:40] <resno> it could be
[20:40] <Bundestrojaner> he installed a package named "catalyst" but it didn't change anything
[20:41] <resno> it might be restricted, so check that.
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> resno: what might be restricted?
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> and how?
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> i'm using gentoo, so i know not much about kubuntu
[20:41] <dr_willis> rodut,  the bot has been saying what to do to 'fix' it. :) but i have to wonder how it got changed..   You need to edit the   /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts, OR try the networking tool.
[20:42] <resno> the driver. using a driver that is not "supported". you have to enable it.
[20:42] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: run jockey-kde to install the proprietary video drivers in Kubuntu
[20:42] <resno> pici: thanks, i dont know the commands. i just know what it might be.
[20:42] <rodut> Okey thanks...
[20:42] <Bundestrojaner> Pici: simply sudo jockey-kde ?
[20:43] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: just jockey-kde  should take care of it... or kdesudo jockey-kde
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> Pici: and that's all? my friend is a real beginner on linux...
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> it's for an ATi
[20:44] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: It should let you know if theres a driver available to be installed or not
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> ok
[20:45] <The-Compiler> How can I move a panel in KDE4 from the top to the bottom?
[20:46] <craver_> upgrade to 4.1 or 4.2
[20:47] <craver_> much easier to customize the desktop
[20:52] <_rob_> resno: how would i search to see if its deleted?
[20:52] <Bundestrojaner> Btw: what's the difference between kdesudo and sudo?
[20:53] <Pici> !kdesudo | Bundestrojaner
[20:53] <Pici> Explains it clearer than I can
[20:53] <Bundestrojaner> ok
[20:53] <resno> _rob_: do you remember the file name?
[20:54] <_rob_> no
[20:55] <resno> _rob_: i am not sure what to do.
[20:56] <_rob_> resno: it was 2 folders, with one big file in each
[20:56] <_rob_> cant find with file manager or ls
[20:57] <_rob_> the files are "gone" but it seems to not freed the space
[20:57] <resno> you checked to see if it was in the trash?
[20:57] <_rob_> trash is empty
[20:57] <_rob_> never went there
[20:57] <_rob_> i guess cuz it was too big
[20:58] <resno> well, i dont know where it went. or what to do. ill have to leave it to the more advnaced ppl
[20:58] <heapy> hello!
[21:00] <heapy> can someone please help out regarding mplayer, and streaming videos from the internet? - m trying to stream from lfc.tv (asf, or wmv) but mplayer doesnt like it. I have installed w64codec's, any ideas lads?
[21:00] <_rob_> you tried vlc?
[21:01] <heapy> i would prefer to keep wiv mplayer, if there is a way to do it rob lad
[21:01] <marco2265> Sorry for my english, i have a problem with window's colors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/102352/
[21:02] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[21:03] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to adjust the color scheme for KDE3 apps running under KDE4? qtconfig-qt3 has proven useless for this (unless I'm missing something).
[21:05] <thiagooo> does k3b burn isos?
[21:05] <_rob_> yeah
[21:05] <thiagooo> i cant burn anything running it off a livecd though can i
[21:05] <thiagooo> :P
[21:06] <contrast> thiagooo: not if you only have one disc drive... unless you want to run off a live usb instead. ;)
[21:09] <thiagooo> exactly
[21:09] <thiagooo> how do i run things off a live usb  though
[21:09] <thiagooo> like
[21:09] <thiagooo> if its a boot application
[21:09] <thiagooo> like a partition manager
[21:09] <thiagooo> can it have other stuff saved in the usb drive too?
[21:09] <heapy> bbs lads, trying an update
[21:10] <shb> is anyone else having problems with the xserver just randomly locking up in kde 4.1 ?
[21:10] <_rob_> havin to reboot every couple of hours
[21:10] <OrbJinzo> are you using a laptop?
[21:10] <shb> yes
[21:10] <shb> ati radeon 1400
[21:10] <OrbJinzo> and getting a check battery error?
[21:10] <shb> if I look on tty7 this is always there
[21:11] <shb> the xorg.log says something about a loop
[21:11] <shb> sorry
[21:11] <thiagooo> contrast: how do i run boot thing off a usb? can it have other stuff saved on it, too?
[21:11] <shb> tty8
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> its a known issue with the current kernel
[21:11] <shb> hmmm
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> do a uname -r for me
[21:11] <shb> any work arounds?
[21:11] <shb> I tried restarting everything
[21:11] <shb> kdm
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> ...
[21:12] <shb> and the lot
[21:12] <shb> nothing
[21:12] <shb> ....I sshed to my laptop from my server.
[21:12] <OrbJinzo> the fix is booting in with a different kernel verison
[21:12] <contrast> thiagooo: google unetbootin - that's probably the easiest solution. as for having other stuff saved on your flash drive, i imagine that wouldn't be a problem - just use gparted to set one partition for the live cd image and another for your other stuff.
[21:13] <contrast> thiagooo: i could be wrong on that last part though - never tried it, but it seems like it'd work.
[21:13] <OrbJinzo> but sbh
[21:13] <OrbJinzo> which kernel are you running?
[21:14] <thiagooo> contrast: thank you
[21:15] <contrast> thiagooo: np
[21:15] <chrisaustin> Hello All, a quick question, is there any way to get kubuntu to display the login screen after a user goes idle?  Instead of just locking the current session?
[21:18] <dr_willis> You want the user tobe forced to logout after idle for so long?
[21:20] <shb> Orbjinzo: sorry I was on another channel
[21:20] <bollullera> buenas noches
[21:20] <cow_2001> i've already asked that on #ubuntu and realized maybe this is a better place to ask such a question. trying to run kopete on wmii results in a process of kopete running in the background but no kopete window showing up.
[21:21] <BazBaz> howdy, I installed BASKET NOTES on my gnome desktop and konqueror, korganizer, knotes and a lot of other kde stuff came along for the ride. I understand that BASKET is a kde app but does it have to bring all those other apps - can't i just bring in the kde library?
[21:21] <bollullera> good morning
[21:21] <shb> Orbjinzo: 2.6.27-9-generic is my kernel
[21:21] <cow_2001> bollullera: :)
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> ya
[21:21] <chrisaustin> dr_willis: Well, not su much, I'd like to preserve the session, but have the login screen displayed on idle timeout so that other users could log in
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> thats the verison.
[21:21] <contrast> BazBaz: what program did you use to install it?
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> you have to boot into another verison of the kernel
[21:21] <shb> ahha
[21:21] <BazBaz> contrast: add/remove
[21:21] <shb> I have to download another first :D
[21:22] <bollullera> cow_2001 ;)
[21:23] <dr_willis> chrisaustin,   ask in #KDE - it may be doable/ or allready a feature that just needs to be enabled..   I'd hate to think what issues that may cause with removeable media, and other  things. :)
[21:23] <jpedroza> Evening all. I was just handed a Verizon wireless USB modem. Is anyone using the usb modem with Verizon under Kubuntu?
[21:23] <contrast> BazBaz: go to Synaptic -> Preferences -> uncheck "Consider recommended packages as dependencies.
[21:24] <contrast> BazBaz: after that, try uninstalling basket and installing it again.
[21:24] <BazBaz> contrast: interesting... doing it...
[21:25] <OrbJinzo> jpedroza
[21:25] <OrbJinzo> http://www.linux.com/forums/topic/3768
[21:25] <isaacj87> jpedroza: I just googled it, seems like it should just work
[21:25] <contrast> that's one terrible default setting. :-\
[21:25] <jpedroza> isaacj87: The modem is detected, but what app would I use to actually connect?
[21:26] <isaacj87> jpedroza: yikes, I don't know...does networkmanager understand it?
[21:26] <jpedroza> There it is
[21:26] <jpedroza> isaacj87: Yep, it shows up in there
[21:26] <BazBaz> contrast: i still see em listed as dependencies - do u know if they are?
[21:26] <isaacj87> jpedroza: cool. :)
[21:27] <contrast> BazBaz: they shouldn't be. not according to apt-cache show basket
[21:27] <contrast> BazBaz: did you reload after changing the setting?
[21:27] <BazBaz> contrast: ya... strange
[21:28] <BazBaz> contrast: i was thinking of installing it from the downloadable online version anyways since it is a higher version
[21:28] <contrast> where's that?
[21:28] <BazBaz> contrast: is there a way to manually add all kde libraries without requesting a specific software?
[21:29] <BazBaz> http://basket.kde.org/index.php
[21:30] <thiagooo> if i want to install kubuntu manually, what partitions do i have to create in my unalocatted space?
[21:31] <_rob_> a main an a swap i think
[21:31] <KRF> !partitioning
[21:31] <KRF> thiagooo ^
[21:31] <thiagooo> thank you
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: not really sure tbh. kdelibs4c2a might be the package you need, not sure though...
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: let's try this...
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: got a terminal open?
[21:32] <BazBaz> ya
[21:32] <jimmy51_> what would be a good PCI video card for me?  i'm running kubuntu 8.10 on an intel board with 945 chipset + GMA 950 integrated video (sucks).  I'd like to enable 3D and compiz and light 3d games.  I have a FX5200 but X server pukes with it
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge basket
[21:33] <contrast> BazBaz: that should get rid of basket along with all the other stuff add/remove pulled in with it
[21:33] <chrisaustin> dr_willis, thanks, I'll check there
[21:33] <_rob_> jimmy51_: fx5200 should be fine, u got right drivers installed?
[21:33] <Zeelot3k> hey guys, I just installed kubuntu 8.10 and the new beta 2 of kde 4.2 but my sound in firefox flash apps doesnt work...anyone know why?
[21:33] <dr_willis> because flash is annoying ? :)
[21:34] <BazBaz> contrast: that is done
[21:34] <Zeelot3k> actually no audio works right now...but if I reboot it works
[21:34] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install basket
[21:34] <_rob_> because your volume isnt turned up? open mixer and check levels/channels
[21:34] <jimmy51_> _rob_: i enabled the restricted driver kubuntu 8.10 suggested, which failed.... and also downloaded the latest 173.14.xx driver from nvidia.  that failed too.  it actually wanted to recompile a module but always failed.
[21:34] <dr_willis> Hmm.. boot up.. test sound..  play some stuf.f.. then play some flash.. see if flash is some how crashing things?
[21:34] <Zeelot3k> _rob_:  no that's not it
[21:35] <BazBaz> when i do apt-cache show basket it shows less dependencies than in synaptic (maybe i needed to restart it or something) but it still shows kontact
[21:35] <BazBaz> contrast: "kaddressbook kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin
[21:35] <BazBaz>   kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdepim-kresources kdepimlibs5 kmail knotes kontact
[21:35] <BazBaz>   korganizer libkdepim4 libkholidays4 libkleo4 libkpgp4 libksieve4 libmimelib4
[21:35] <BazBaz>   libphonon4 phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer"
[21:35] <BazBaz> oops
[21:35] <contrast> !pastebin | BazBaz
[21:36] <BazBaz> ya sorry
[21:36] <jimmy51_> _rob_: i suspect it's something to do with the fact that the integrated video is impossible to disable and the nvidia driver wants to be the king
[21:36] <contrast> np
[21:36] <BazBaz> i didn't know there would be line breaks
[21:36] <jimmy51_> _rob_: but i'm not sure.  it seg faulted though.
[21:36] <_rob_> jimmy51_: can you not disable integrated in the bios?
[21:36] <contrast> BazBaz: no konqueror this time?
[21:37] <BazBaz> contrast: i'm not sure if that was there the last time
[21:37] <jimmy51_> _rob_: nope.  the only options are Init First: (Auto, PCI, or integrated)
[21:37] <BazBaz> contrast: but no
[21:37] <contrast> hmm...
[21:38] <BazBaz> contrast: here is the whole writeup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102366/
[21:38] <BazBaz> contrast: are the suggested applications what we tried to disable in synaptic
[21:38] <BazBaz> what is the tiniest kde app
[21:38] <contrast> you could try downloading the source tarball and see if there are any options for disabling kde/kde-pim integration in the configuration script at build time.
[21:39] <BazBaz> contrast: hmm, interesting approach
[21:39] <contrast> BazBaz: no, suggested is lower priority than recommended
[21:39] <contrast> BazBaz: sometimes i find myself scratching my head until it bleeds in response to the ubuntu packaging god's dependency decisions.
[21:40] <contrast> BazBaz: situations like this are when the benefits of source-based distros like gentoo make themselves apparent.
[21:40] <BazBaz> contrast: hehe
[21:40] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to adjust the color scheme for KDE3 apps running under KDE4? qtconfig-qt3 has proven useless for this (unless I'm missing something).
[21:41] <OrbJinzo> Gentoo is fun if you have a couple days to waste.
[21:41] <Zeelot3k> ok so sound does work for me but amarok doesnt play any sound and flash seems to have no sound in firefox, what can this be?
[21:41] <Zeelot3k> please can anyone help?
[21:42] <contrast> Zeelot3k: did you already try System Settings -> Sound (or Multimedia)
[21:42] <jpedroza> Zeelot3k: Have you checked in kmix that all volumes are unmuted?
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> contrast:  the sound works fine there
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> the test sound works
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> volume is not the issue
[21:43] <contrast> Zeelot3k: amarok 1 or 2?
[21:43] <Guest8030> holaaaaaaaaa
[21:43] <thiagooo> how do i check my ram in kubuntu?
[21:43] <carolina> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:44] <Guest8030> _
[21:44] <carolina> hola holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:44] <Guest8030> hola carolina
[21:44] <Guest8030> como estas?
[21:44] <carolina> bn
[21:44] <Guest8030> aki nadie habla en español
[21:44] <Guest8030> :(
[21:44] <carolina> tu de donde soi
[21:44] <Guest8030> yo soy de españa y tu?
[21:44] <carolina> chilito
[21:44] <jpedroza> !es
[21:45] <contrast> thiagooo: Alt+F1 -> System -> System Monitor
[21:46] <khakane> thiagooo: type free in a shell
[21:48] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[21:48] <resno> ive always known linux to be an os which didnt require any restarts... has this changed in recent times?
[21:48] <DarkSmoke> what development packages contain qt make ?
[21:49] <BazBaz> contrast: there is a way to compile without pim integration but i still have the problem of not having kde libraries
[21:49] <thiagooo> so just double checking
[21:49] <BazBaz> contrast: would it work to install kde-desktop but not login to it?
[21:50] <BazBaz> contrast: just to have the libs
[21:50] <contrast> BazBaz: erm, that'd work, but that's not really the best way.
[21:50] <thiagooo> to manually install kubuntu i create a swap partition with the same amout of ram i have and an ext3 partition with the amout of hd i want the kubuntu partition to have
[21:50] <BazBaz> contrast: it did feel kludgy
[21:50] <contrast> BazBaz: is this the kde3 or kde4 version of basket?
[21:51] <BazBaz> hmm, another good question - i am looking for the latest or whatever u recommend
[21:52] <contrast> BazBaz: pastebin the exact error you get when trying to compile basket
[21:53] <chris_> how can i update klamav?? it gives the message "Update Process died unexpectedly! Did you kill it manually?" everytime it starts or i try to update. ive tried searching forums but couldn't find a solution
[21:53] <BazBaz> contrast: its very short: configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found!
[21:53] <BazBaz> contrast: and then: Please check whether you installed KDE correctly.
[21:53] <contrast> hang on...
[21:54] <contrast> BazBaz: what version is this again?
[21:54] <contrast> # i mean
[21:55] <thiagooo> ?
[21:55] <BazBaz> basket-1.0.3.1
[21:55] <contrast> thiagooo: that's right
[21:55] <thiagooo> contrast: thank you
[21:58] <contrast> BazBaz: still on it (forgot to install apt-file when i upgraded to 8.10)....
[22:00] <jpedroza> I have a verizon aircard UM150 that shows up, and I can configure it, but it won't connect. Is anyoue using intrepid with a Verizon USB modem?
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: what are u thinking of using apt-file to do
[22:00] <contrast> finding which package provides kde-config
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: looking inside kde-desktop perhaps?
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: ah
[22:01] <contrast> ok, got it (i think)...
[22:02] <contrast> sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a ... if it doesn't config after that, try installing kdelibs-dev as well. barring that, i'm lost.
[22:02] <contrast> s/config/build/
[22:02] <BazBaz> hehe.. ok, trying!
[22:03] <BazBaz> oh btw, where do u suggest i compile to? I know kde apps have to be with kde or something like that
[22:04] <contrast> --prefix=/usr ... on a (very important) sidenote, you know about checkinstall?
[22:04] <trappist> compile to?
[22:04] <BazBaz> contrast: no
[22:04] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[22:05] <contrast> then whenever you get to the "sudo make install" step of any source-based install, prefix "make" with "checkinstall" - so "sudo checkinstall make install".
[22:05] <contrast> BazBaz: this will install the program as a package - much tidier.
[22:06] <BazBaz> contrast: oh excellent - so you get the best of both worlds
[22:06] <contrast> yep :)
[22:07] <contrast> bb in a few, starvin'...
[22:08] <BazBaz> contrast: so now when i run "sudo ./configure --prefix=/usr" a whole lot of checking occurs but then i get a couple of warnings/errors at the end: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102385/
[22:09] <BazBaz> contrast: ok
[22:11] <starenka> hi. anybody knows why kubuntu 8.04.1 booted from flash (made by usb-creator) end up in busybox on Asus EEE 900a ?
[22:15] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install libqt3-headers. libjpeg-dev appears to be optional.
[22:17] <heapy> now then, i have just done a fresh install of hardy kubuntu, and ran the updates. it changed the kernel etc. now hav added medibuntu repo, and its poped up wiv another 209mb of 'updates'. my question, is it sound to install these?
[22:18] <heapy> infact, after added medibuntu, its wanting to update the kernel again to 2.6.24.23 from 24-22. is that right?
[22:18]  * _lumm slaps rhys
[22:19] <rhys> no you
[22:19] <rhys> :P
[22:19] <heapy> am running hardy kubuntu btw
[22:25] <BazBaz> contrast: if this works out its definitly worthy iof a blog - i see online lots of people complain about all the unnecessary packages
[22:28] <contrast> back
[22:29] <rhys> welcome back
[22:29] <contrast> BazBaz: yeah... i think the worst culprit is firefox - a package i imagine 99% of kubuntu users install. it depends on the entire gnome package management suite, which is beyond retarded.
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> actually that's only because the ubuntu doods now have apt automatically installing recommends
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> you can get around that by sudo apt-get install firefox --no-install-recommends
[22:30] <Digital_Pioneer> OK... I got the Kubuntu 8.10 DVD, and I want to install it onto a system which doesn't have a DVD drive (old computer) so I moved the HDD temporarily to a system which DOES have a DVD drive, and the HDD I wish to install to is at /dev/sdb. Now what the heck is wrong with the Kubuntu installer that it refuses to install to sdb?? It acts like the only drive in the system is sda.
[22:33] <contrast> JontheEchidna: interesting... still dumb though, imo. apt-get != aptitude. sidux seems to be the only distro left that realizes this.
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, quite dumb
[22:41] <robile> what is the parameter for "find" to NOT search in case sensitive mode?
[22:41] <robinr> -iname -ipath etc
[22:47] <robile> robinr, thx!
[22:47] <contrast> BazBaz: any progress?
[22:54] <charles__> hi everyone
[22:55] <rhys> hi
[22:56] <charles__> with kubuntu, whatis the difference with ubuntu ?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> +KDE - GNOME chakie_work
[22:57] <Dr_willis> opps charles__  :)
[22:57] <charles__> lol
[22:57] <charles__> just that XD?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> basically
[22:57] <charles__> but
[22:58] <charles__> i have a good PC, KDE is better for me ?
[22:58] <Dr_willis> Better - depends on what YOU want
[22:58] <IppatsuMan> charles__: you can't know unless you try it
[22:58] <Dr_willis> You can easially install gnome and kde both. and try them both out
[22:58] <Dr_willis> may as well install xfce also
[22:58] <charles__> i can install KDE on ubuntu ?
[22:59] <ae88925> charles__: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:59] <charles__> (sorry for my questions ... I'm just a new user of linux)
[22:59] <didac> hello
[22:59] <charles__> ok i try that
[22:59] <didac> i'm new on irc
[22:59] <charles__> hello
[22:59] <rhys> hi didac
[22:59] <didac> there are any Catalan channel?
[22:59] <didac> Catalan language
[22:59] <Homesick> no, fuck off
[23:00] <Homesick> #kubuntu-es
[23:00] <Dr_willis> charles__,  of course you can. :) linux is your os  YOUR way
[23:00] <charles__> i install kubuntu desktop now
[23:00] <didac> only spanish?
[23:00] <didac> ok
[23:00] <didac> thanks
[23:00] <didac> :)=
[23:00] <charles__> i'm a old user of vista :D
[23:00] <charles__> an old*
[23:00] <Dr_willis> given how vista is not that old... :P
[23:00] <charles__> i uninstall it
[23:01] <charles__> because of an error xD
[23:01] <ae88925> In Linux-time, Vista is ancient
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> Vista is crap, no matter how old it is. :)
[23:01] <charles__> yeah ...
[23:01] <charles__> i want to uses Linux for all my life
[23:01] <charles__> its better
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> True, true.
[23:01] <charles__> no virus, free for all
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> *Few viruses
[23:02] <charles__> yeah, i cant take one ^
[23:02] <Digital_Pioneer> *Few, harder to get viruses. ;)
[23:02] <charles__> ^^
[23:02] <Digital_Pioneer> (The joy of package management)
[23:02] <charles__> yeah, someone tell me its very hard to have
[23:02] <charles__> just tell me
[23:02] <charles__> i DL my G15 drivers
[23:02] <charles__> and i dont know how to install it
[23:03] <charles__> i tried -install file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15render-1.2
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: Check Synaptic first.
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Or Adept...
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Or whatever Kubuntu uses.
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> LOL
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Package manager.
[23:03] <charles__> xD
[23:03] <charles__> package manager ? where is it xD
[23:04]  * Digital_Pioneer uses APT directly.
[23:04] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: You on KDE 3 or 4?
[23:04] <charles__> im using ubuntu for now
[23:05] <charles__> i have gnome
[23:05] <charles__> and i tried to install KDE,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <charles__> like that
[23:06] <charles__> but i dont know how its work exactly
[23:06] <Dr_willis> at the LOGIN screen theres a menu
[23:06] <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, OK, you know how to use apt. :)
[23:07] <Dr_willis> pick kde from the menu :)
[23:07] <charles__> no i dont know xD
[23:07] <charles__> someone tell me to do that
[23:07] <charles__> lol ^
[23:07] <charles__> ^^
[23:07] <Dr_willis> Install the KDE desktop ------->   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:07] <Digital_Pioneer> Well... You are looking for graphics drivers for an intel chipset, right?
[23:07] <Dr_willis> there ya go.. t will install.. will download a few 100mb of data
[23:07] <Digital_Pioneer> I would think those are present.
[23:08] <charles__> no, i have my drivers installed
[23:08] <charles__> not a problem
[23:08] <Digital_Pioneer> Then what are you looking ror?
[23:08] <Digital_Pioneer> *for
[23:08] <charles__> for install my G15 drivers
[23:08] <charles__> i have files
[23:09] <charles__> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:09] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, someone enlighten me, what is G15?
[23:09] <charles__> that thing
[23:09] <charles__> its a keyboard
[23:09] <charles__> sorry ^^'
[23:10] <Digital_Pioneer> IC... Well, what is that file g15composer-3.2 then?
[23:10] <charles__> i need to install that ^
[23:10] <Digital_Pioneer> You can run `file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2` (without the ``) to find out.
[23:11] <charles__> http://wiki.blap.info/linux:g15tools
[23:11] <charles__> i cant run it, its a file
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> Run the command: file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:12] <charles__> i do it
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> What did it say?
[23:12] <charles__> nothing appens xD
[23:12] <charles__> charles@charles-desktop:~$ file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:12] <charles__> /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2: directory
[23:12] <charles__> charles@charles-desktop:~$
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> Directory...
[23:13] <charles__> hooo, that is the thing we want ? :o
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> That's gonna be a source code.
[23:13] <charles__> i tell you its a file
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> No, it's a directory. :)
[23:13] <charles__> (im french, sorry, for me file = directory)
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, LOL
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
[23:13] <charles__> ^^
[23:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Well... First, `apt-cache search g15` I would say...
[23:14] <charles__> wow
[23:14] <charles__> many results ^'
[23:14] <charles__> ^^
[23:14] <charles__> g15composer - Scriptable command interface to libg15render
[23:14] <charles__> g15daemon - Screen multiplexer for Logitech G15 Keyboard
[23:14] <charles__> g15daemon-audacious - G15daemon Audacious visualization plug-in
[23:14] <charles__> g15macro - A simple Macro recording/playback application for G15Daemon
[23:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Good.
[23:14] <charles__> g15mpd - A simple frontend for the MPD Media Player Daemon, for use with g15daemon
[23:14] <charles__> g15stats - a CPU/Memory/Swap usage meter for G15Daemon
[23:14] <charles__> libg15-1 - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15-dev - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15daemon-client-dev - Development packages for libg15daemon-client
[23:14] <charles__> libg15daemon-client1 - Development packages for libg15daemon-client
[23:14] <charles__> libg15render-dev - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15render1 - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> it's amazing :P
[23:14] <marlon_> ok'
[23:15] <CharlesTell> :)
[23:15] <CharlesTell> what i do now ?
[23:15] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: Please don't paste more than 3 lines. ;) If you need to, you can put them all on a pastebin (such as http://rafb.net/paste ) and paste the link here.
[23:15] <marlon_> :)
[23:15] <CharlesTell> ok sry :s
[23:15] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `sudo apt-get install g15composer`
[23:16] <marlon_> ok
[23:16] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: NP. :)
[23:16] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:16] <CharlesTell> its says its not "valable" (in french)
[23:16] <Dr_willis> ive used the g15 stuff under linux befor. ;)
[23:17] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `apt-cache policy g15composer`
[23:17] <CharlesTell> good
[23:17] <Dr_willis> You may need to update/upgrade and try again...
[23:17] <marlon_> ããèèèìììì
[23:17] <CharlesTell> g15composer:
[23:17] <CharlesTell>   Installé : (aucun)
[23:17] <CharlesTell>   Candidat : 3.2-1
[23:17] <CharlesTell>  Table de version :
[23:17] <CharlesTell> 3.2-1 0
[23:18] <CharlesTell> (sorry if its in french :s)
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: This would be a good time to use rafb.net/paste ;)
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> Anyways, it's done now.
[23:18] <CharlesTell> yes lol
[23:18] <marlon_> ok
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `apt-get update && apt-get install g15composer`
[23:18] <marlon_> lol
[23:19] <marlon_> lol
[23:19] <CharlesTell> http://rafb.net/p/FMlm6839.html
[23:19] <Digital_Pioneer> Oh, bah.
[23:19] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:19] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install g15composer`
[23:20] <CharlesTell> yes
[23:20] <CharlesTell> i do it myself :)
[23:20] <Digital_Pioneer> :)
[23:20] <CharlesTell> now ?
[23:20] <Digital_Pioneer> Did it work?
[23:20] <CharlesTell> i dunno xD
[23:20] <CharlesTell> its says me yes
[23:20] <marlon_> jol
[23:20] <marlon_> h
[23:21] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep Installé`
[23:21] <CharlesTell> no response
[23:22] <marlon_> l_l
[23:22] <CharlesTell> o_o'
[23:22] <marlon_> :(
[23:22] <CharlesTell> i think i need to install all
[23:22] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:22] <marlon_> o_o
[23:22] <CharlesTell> libg15, libg15render, g15daemon and g15composer
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep nstall`
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
[23:22] <marlon_> u are
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: apt will do that for you.
[23:23] <Bou> CharlesTell: when installing g15composer it should alert you that other packages will be installed automatically
[23:23] <CharlesTell> ho ... ok :o
[23:23] <CharlesTell> (its wonderfull linux xD)
[23:23] <marlon_> ted!").
[23:23] <Digital_Pioneer> Yes. :)
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep Installé`
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <-- ulitkus has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <-- jannott_ has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[23:23] <CharlesTell> but
[23:24] <marlon_> eh
[23:24] <CharlesTell> no one is install
[23:24] <CharlesTell> its say Installé : (aucun)
[23:24] <CharlesTell> aucun  mean nothing
[23:24] <marlon_> what are u talking about
[23:24] <Bou> CharlesTell: what happened after you entered `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install g15composer` ?
[23:24] <Bou> what was the message?
[23:24] <CharlesTell> many things xD
[23:25] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: rafb.net/paste
[23:25] <Bou> paste them to rafb.net then
[23:25] <CharlesTell> http://rafb.net/p/3nMhs870.html
[23:26] <Digital_Pioneer> I don't know French, but that looks successful.
[23:26] <Bou> it looks like a succesful instam
[23:26] <Bou> *install
[23:26] <Digital_Pioneer> Run g15composer
[23:26] <CharlesTell> yes, i think too
[23:26] <CharlesTell> Atteint mean "reach"
[23:26] <CharlesTell> how can i do that ?
[23:26] <Bou> i'm french by the way
[23:26] <CharlesTell> apt-get g15composer ?
[23:26] <Bou> type 'g15composer'
[23:27] <CharlesTell> lol bou, c'est vrai xD?
[23:27] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: No, just run `g15composer`
[23:27] <Bou> CharlesTell: yes, but english only here ;)
[23:27] <CharlesTell> charles@charles-desktop:~$ g15composer
[23:27] <CharlesTell> Please provide a FIFO filename to read from.
[23:27] <CharlesTell> ok bou
[23:27] <CharlesTell> :D
[23:27] <CharlesTell> bou what is mean FIFO XD?
[23:27] <Digital_Pioneer> Dr_willis: OK, he installed it, now you'll have to tell him how to use it. ;)
[23:27] <sts> hey all
[23:28] <CharlesTell> hey
[23:28] <Bou> Digital_Pioneer: héhé :)
[23:28] <CharlesTell> i tell him what xD?
[23:28] <rhys> hii
[23:28] <marlon__> ok
[23:28] <marlon__> eh
[23:28] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: FIFO means First In First Out. It's a virtual file.
[23:28] <BazBaz> hi guys, I am on gnome but trying to compile a kde app. I did:
[23:28] <BazBaz> $ sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a
[23:28] <BazBaz> $ sudo apt-get install libqt3-headers
[23:28] <BazBaz> but when I try to configure the make to the /usr folder (as recommended) I get the error that there  are no KDE headers installed
[23:28] <BazBaz> Anyone know where the headers would be if I am installing the kde libs like this?
[23:28] <CharlesTell> ho ... ok
[23:28] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: But you shouldn't need to worry about that. :)
[23:29] <CharlesTell> ok ^^
[23:29] <marlon__> hi guys i have my a website
[23:29] <CharlesTell> how i know what g15composer want ?
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Yes, you need the KDE dev packages too.
[23:29] <ae88925> Can anyone suggest a lighter-weight alternative to Konsole (but nicer than xterm)?
[23:29] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: may ask how i get em :)
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: I don't know what a G15 is. ;)
[23:29] <CharlesTell> its a keyboard xD
[23:29] <marlon__> www.imarcus20.socialgo.com
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: I would `apt-cache search kdelibs dev`
[23:29] <Bou> CharlesTell: quit, and try 'man g15composer' for some manual help
[23:30] <marlon__> eh?
[23:30] <marlon__> xD
[23:30] <marlon__> OD
[23:30] <marlon__> pop
[23:30] <CharlesTell> haaaa i have an help
[23:30] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: there is kdelibs4-dev and kdelibs5-dev, which do u recomend?
[23:31] <Bou> CharlesTell: good luch then..
[23:31] <Bou> *luck
[23:31] <CharlesTell> thx bou xD
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Digital_Pioneer,  i dont even rember what he was doing...
[23:31] <CharlesTell> i will need it
[23:31] <Bou> Dr_willis: he just installed g15composer
[23:32] <sts> which is the best irc clent for ubuntu?
[23:32] <Bou> and now wondering how to use it :)
[23:32] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Ehhh, both? :P
[23:32] <Dr_willis> g15composer wont do much by itself.. read its docs.. :) its used by other g15 apps i recall
[23:32] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: hehe, ok
[23:32] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:32] <marlon__> Digital_Pioneer
[23:32] <Dr_willis> g15daemon - Screen multiplexer for Logitech G15 Keyboard g15stats - a CPU/Memory/Swap usage meter for G15Daemon
[23:32] <CharlesTell> very hard to use
[23:32] <Dr_willis> Install/run those
[23:33] <Digital_Pioneer> marlon__: ?
[23:33] <CharlesTell> i run g15composer b
[23:33] <CharlesTell> and its says Sorry Cant connect to g15daemon
[23:33] <CharlesTell> xD
[23:33] <marlon__> yeah
[23:33] <IceBall> Someone, when i test audio in administration using oss, everything works, apps play music etc, but when i try to use a flash player, i.e youtube i get no sound and it crackles?
[23:33] <BazBaz> sts: i actually like the cleanliness of pidgin irc
[23:33] <Dr_willis> I would go get my G15 keyboard.. but this desk is too small for it. :)
[23:33] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:33] <BazBaz> sts: are u looking for DCC and hardcore irc'ing?
[23:33] <marlon__> Digital_Pioneer yeah
[23:34] <CharlesTell> G15 its amazing, when its work xD
[23:34] <Dr_willis> I use it for quick macros in my MMORPG's mainly
[23:34] <CharlesTell> yeah me too
[23:34] <Dr_willis> G1 = select and heal #1
[23:34] <CharlesTell> but ... i cant launch the macro
[23:34] <marlon_> Dr_willis  what game
[23:34]  * Bou suits his geek armor
[23:34] <Dr_willis> G13 = selet and BIG heal #1
[23:34] <Dr_willis> marlon_,  LOTOR mainly
[23:34] <CharlesTell> oO
[23:35] <marlon_> what that
[23:35] <Dr_willis> Lord Of the Rings Onlinx
[23:35] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: after those packages do i go for it again in the /usr dir?
[23:35] <CharlesTell> ok dr
[23:35] <sts> IceBall:  try firefox with plug for flash player
[23:36] <sts> yes BazBaz
[23:36] <CharlesTell> bou
[23:36] <CharlesTell> Bou*
[23:36] <Bou> yop?
[23:36] <IceBall> sts, it has one, i.e the utube vids load and play, but no sound
[23:36] <CharlesTell> with moniteur, i can do what i want ?
[23:37] <IceBall> sts, all sound from alsa crackles, im using oss
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: moniteur?
[23:37] <CharlesTell> terminal
[23:37] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I get a similar error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail
[23:37] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: After installing those, run configure again.
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: what do you want to do?
[23:37] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: thats after the configure
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: most things can be done via terminal
[23:38] <CharlesTell> ok, if i want to change directory of place
[23:38] <CharlesTell> i can?
[23:38] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Yes... You have to find where the klibs installed to.
[23:38] <Bou> CharlesTell: sure
[23:38] <CharlesTell> like all g15 directories in a special directory
[23:38] <CharlesTell> how can i do it ?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> what are you really trying todo CharlesTell  ?
[23:38] <Bou> CharlesTell: erm.. it won't work anymore if you do it I think
[23:38] <CharlesTell> just change the place
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move
[23:39] <BazBaz> searching my filesystem for 'klibs'... (is there a smarter way?)
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move files
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move files in a directory
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15render-1.2
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15-1.2.7
[23:39] <Bou> CharlesTell: moving the one you just installed? of the one that you downloaded?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15lcd-1.2
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:39] <Dr_willis> CharlesTell,  and why are you trying todo this?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> just learn xD
[23:39] <Dr_willis> why did you not use the package manager to isntall the stuff and be done withit?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> hard to use ^^
[23:39] <powertool08> !fuse
[23:40] <Dr_willis> whats hard to use?
[23:40] <Bou> Dr_willis: we made him install it with apt
[23:40] <marlon_> brb
[23:40] <CharlesTell> yeah,
[23:40] <Dr_willis> apt is a package manager. ;)
[23:40] <CharlesTell> ^
[23:40] <CharlesTell> ok !
[23:40] <CharlesTell> but with synaptic i cant add what i want
[23:40] <sts> byeeeee and happy new year with love and pease.....
[23:40] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:40] <Bou> Dr_willis: but i guess he initiallt downloaded files instead of using apt
[23:41] <Dr_willis> synaptic and apt-get should  both isntall the saem stuff and work the same
[23:41] <Bou> CharlesTell: anyway, you can move the files
[23:41] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I found a folder named 'klibc'... is that it?
[23:41] <powertool08> !fstab
[23:41] <Bou> CharlesTell: you can create a directory with 'mkdir'  and check 'man mv' to know how to move it into
[23:41] <CharlesTell> ok !
[23:42] <CharlesTell> i type : mkdir test
[23:42] <Bou> CharlesTell: now type 'ls'
[23:42] <Bou> you should see the 'test' directory
[23:42] <Dr_willis> It may be time to go track down a BASH/shell tutorial or 2  CharlesTell  :)
[23:42] <CharlesTell> i see it
[23:42] <CharlesTell> lol yes xD
[23:43] <CharlesTell> BASH/shell if different ?
[23:43] <Bou> 'mv' can be used to rename files or move them, so check the help to know the syntax
[23:43] <CharlesTell> i type man mv
[23:43] <CharlesTell> i see the manuel
[23:44] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I tried /usr, /user/lib, /user/lib/klibc, /usr/lib/kde4 >> all give the same msg "no KDE libraries installed" - what am i supposed to be looking for exactly?
[23:44] <CharlesTell> i type : mkdir test2, mv test test2
[23:44] <CharlesTell> its good ?
[23:45] <Bou> what do you want to do?
[23:45] <CharlesTell> just move test in test2
[23:45] <Dr_willis> Now is the time to start reading docs/tutoials :)
[23:45] <CharlesTell> i do it :P
[23:46] <CharlesTell> yes ^
[23:46] <CharlesTell> i will do it :D
[23:46] <Dr_willis> You will learn more that way
[23:46] <CharlesTell> thank you very much
[23:46] <CharlesTell> to all :)
[23:46] <Bou> going to bed
[23:46] <Bou> good night all
[23:46] <CharlesTell> Dr_willis and Bou ^
[23:46] <CharlesTell> good night
[23:46] <Bou> or good morning,afternoon, whatever
[23:46] <CharlesTell> its 00:46
[23:46] <CharlesTell> xD
[23:47] <Bou> CharlesTell: you forget Digital_Pioneer ;)
[23:47] <Bou> bye
[23:47] <CharlesTell> yeah
[23:47] <CharlesTell> i dont forget him
[23:47] <CharlesTell> Digital_Pioneer was the principal xD
[23:47] <CharlesTell> but he left
[23:47] <CharlesTell> ?
[23:49] <Itaku> how can i change the clock from 24 hour to 12 hour?
[23:51] <judgen> !lircd
[23:51] <judgen> !lirc
[23:51] <judgen> dang
[23:52] <judgen> How do i get my remote to work?
[23:52] <judgen> ive tried so many guides not
[23:52] <CharlesTell> goodbye all :)
[23:52] <CharlesTell> see ya
[23:53] <fyn> What's the best way to share control of some running applications?  I want to let my gf use amarok and ktorrent.  I know I can use VNC to export the whole desktop, but that's not quite what I want.  There are a bunch of half baked things like shared-app-vnc.sourceforge.net but they don't look up to date, what's the current actively maintained way of doing this?  Maybe nxwindows handles it somehow?
[23:55] <fyn> Alternatively, what's the best way to remotely control Amarok from OSX?  I've seen web interfaces floating around, any good ones?  Any of them make it into the ubuntu repos?