[01:43] <itnet7> Bug #314494
[01:43] <itnet7> I have a question about the handling of this bug if someone has a second :-)
[01:45] <crimsun> ask away
[01:46] <itnet7> Thanks crimsun, this wasn't really a bug, I just pointed the reporter in the right direction and solved their issue, how should I set the status? I am thinking Invalid because it wasn't really a bug, right?
[01:48] <Ryan52> I didn't actually look at it, but maybe convert it to a question?
[01:48] <crimsun> no, it's a bug
[01:48] <crimsun> the package needs to handle nonexistent files gracefully
[01:49] <crimsun> i.e., the action "remove" should not fail, and one should not need to "purge" to workaround the failure proceeding the "remove" action
[01:50] <itnet7> oh, Should I then check to see if that same thing happens when I try removing samba, then confirm it, basically commenting what you just said about gracefully handling file removal if I have the same results as the reporter?
[01:51] <Ryan52> well, no. I doubt that you'll be able to reproduce it.
[01:51] <Ryan52> you should ask the submitter for more debugging information.
[01:52] <Ryan52> or let a maintainer deal with that :)
[01:52] <crimsun> itnet7: if you can reproduce it in a fully updated install (or vm), that would be great
[01:52] <crimsun> i'll it to my TODO this evening
[01:52] <crimsun> i'll add it* (...)
[01:55] <itnet7> Thanks to you both...  I will bring up a vm and see If I can duplicate it too
[01:59] <andresmujica> why don't we have  virtualbox ready images?
[02:00] <andresmujica> the ones i've seen are vmware....
[02:00] <andresmujica> and they seems forgotten...
[02:00] <andresmujica> it would be helpful...
[02:00] <Rocket2DMn> of what? ubuntu installs?
[02:01] <andresmujica> although vmbuilder is pretty nice...
[02:01] <andresmujica> yeap.. for reproducing bugs...
[02:01] <Rocket2DMn> that would be nice, i use vbox, though i want to switch to vmware sometime i think
[02:01] <andresmujica> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[02:01] <andresmujica> have you tested 2.1?
[02:02] <Rocket2DMn> i never got intrepid to run in a vm though
[02:02] <andresmujica> the networking part is perfect.. all the vbox0, br0 hassle is gone!!
[02:02] <Rocket2DMn> no i havent, im excited about the networking stuff though
[02:02] <Rocket2DMn> no more bridging
[02:03] <andresmujica> yeap! i was testing it today and it can use wlan0 or eth0, and that's pretty nice
[02:04] <Rocket2DMn> is 2.1 in backports?
[02:04] <andresmujica> the bad side of vms is the space consumption...
[02:04] <Rocket2DMn> ah, its only in jaunty
[02:04] <andresmujica> i've got my disk full because of them..
[02:04] <andresmujica> i'm using virtualbox repo, so i've got the puel..
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> i dont have more than a handful of VMs, and i have plenty of space to go around
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> im still in hardy on this desktop, too
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> i wasnt sure my nvidia card would play nice with intrepid and dual head
[02:05] <andresmujica> ohh, i've got the servers in hardy (well there're some still in dapper thou) and desktop with intrepid
[02:06] <Rocket2DMn> cool, ive needed a stable setup on this box, it's too much of a pain dealing with upgrades when you gotta drag along nvidia drivers and vbox ose modules and whatnot
[02:07] <Rocket2DMn> they kept throwing upgraded kernels at hardy, too
[02:09] <andresmujica> for the modules try woth dkms
[02:09] <andresmujica> it's great!
[02:09] <andresmujica> there's a tiny bug with 1.6.6 you need to purge the package
[02:09] <andresmujica> after that every time you update your kernel it would auto compile the new modules
[02:09] <Rocket2DMn> 1.6.6 of what? dkms?
[02:10] <andresmujica> vbox 1.6.6
[02:10] <Rocket2DMn> i have 1.5.6
[02:10] <andresmujica> a file was left at /var/lib/dkms that made the vbox's modules auto compilation fail..
[02:10] <andresmujica> ohhh
[02:11] <andresmujica> that's the good thing of vbox it's a nice piece of software, stable you don't feel the urge of upgrade
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> i havent used dkms at all, i probably should learn
[02:11] <andresmujica> if i'm not wrong it's already at hardy...
[02:11] <andresmujica> ls /var/lib/dkms
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> dkms_dbversion?
[02:14] <Rocket2DMn> i just need to do an intrepid upgrade sometime, i suppose i'll get to that soon and pray that the nvidia stuff works ok
[02:14] <andresmujica> around vbox 1.6.something they are using dkms, so it would put some vbox dirs on that..  but it's better to go directly to 2.1
[02:15] <Rocket2DMn> they should backport 2.1 to intrepid
[02:16] <andresmujica> http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=212  (for nvidia thing  don't know how updated is the info thou)
[02:17] <Rocket2DMn> thanks, i use his EnvyNG in Hardy b/c the drivers in the repos failed and so did a manual install
[02:19] <Rocket2DMn> gonna go afk for a bit, catch ya later andresmujica
[02:22] <andresmujica> ok!
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[07:41] <maco> thekorn: hiya
[07:42] <thekorn> hello maco
[09:43] <YoBoY> hi
[09:45] <YoBoY> #314919 should be set to 'Wishlist'
[10:52] <andresmujica> dholbach: ping
[10:52] <dholbach> andresmujica: pong
[10:52] <andresmujica> hi dholbach, how are u?
[10:52] <dholbach> good good - how 'bout you?
[10:52] <andresmujica> nice, thks... but i've messed with my 5-a-a-day
[10:52] <andresmujica> i've changed my launchpad login
[10:52] <andresmujica> and now there's 2 me on the stats page...
[10:53] <andresmujica> :(
[10:53] <dholbach> 2 you?
[10:53] <dholbach> like two entries of yours?
[10:54] <andresmujica> yeap
[10:54] <andresmujica> andres-mujica
[10:54] <andresmujica> and andres.mujica
[10:54] <andresmujica> the new lp is andres.mujica
[10:55] <dholbach> ah, here's what you can do:
[10:55] <andresmujica> i've just managed to reconfigure .5-a-day within my hme, so i can report again..
[10:55]  * andresmujica takes note
[10:56] <dholbach>  - copy all the bug number of your  ~/.5-a-day-<old name>/data  to  ~/.5-a-day-<old name>/data   and in the new directory run  bzr commit -m "merged old bug numbers"; bzr push
[10:56] <dholbach>  - try to delete the old branch in code.launchpad.net/~<new lp login>
[10:56] <dholbach> if that doesn't work out, just forget about the old one :)
[10:57] <andresmujica> ok let me try...
[10:57] <andresmujica> copy from old name to new name, right?
[10:57] <dholbach> no
[10:57] <dholbach> copy the bug numbers of the one file to the other one
[11:03] <andresmujica> ok, it seems it's done..
[11:03] <dholbach> alright
[11:34] <andresmujica> hey, where's the debugging procedure for hibernate (suspend to DISK) ??
[11:47] <andresmujica> oo oh i've found it..
[15:04] <bddebian> Boo
[17:27] <torkiano> hello all
[17:28] <torkiano> anyone can mark bug 214439 as triaged?
[18:12] <hggdh> torkiano, why triaged? the bug is still in status new; also, the last entry states "... I think ...", which does not sound, to me, as being a confirmation
[20:04] <cyril__> Hello
[20:05] <bdmurray> cyril__: hello
[20:05] <cyril__> I make some work on bug 298592, but i don't know how to propose more work on this bug
[20:06] <bdmurray> I'm bring it up in #kubuntu-devel
[21:10] <bdmurray> james_w: What is the workflow for your merge proposal in Launchpad?
[21:12] <james_w> bdmurray: from the link in the email you can write a review and vote on it
[21:12] <james_w> if you are happy with it then you can merge as normal
[21:12] <james_w> then edit the merge proposal to change the status to "merged"
[21:12] <james_w> you do that by clicking the edit link next to the status, near the top of the page
[21:13] <james_w> it's a lot better than it was, but it's still not quite there
[21:13] <james_w> though if you merge and push to launchpad it may mark it as merged automatically, I can't remember
[21:14] <bdmurray> neat, and how did you request the merge proposal?
[21:17] <james_w> "Propose this branch for merging" or similar on the branch page
[21:17] <james_w> I believe you will be able to do it via email soon
[21:17] <james_w> and through the API one day
[21:21] <greg-g> ahhh, "one day" ;)
[21:21] <bdmurray> yes, "one day" is on my calendar but it keeps moving
[21:22] <greg-g> I know what you mean! It keeps hopping around, just out of my reach.
[21:46] <LimCore> hello
[21:47] <LimCore> it would seem that all main media players in ubuntu 8.04 fail epically when trying to play media, because of bugs in playlist implementations
[21:47] <LimCore> I find this highly embarassing.  Is it possible to make some meta-bug and therefore resolve it with higher priority (not just one program fails, but all that could do given task)
[21:50] <greg-g> LimCore: it would make most sense to report specific application bugs. no need for a metabug
[21:51] <greg-g> metabugs tend to be overlooked by the people who actually do the fixing
[21:52] <greg-g> the prefered first step would be to submit (or find) a bug with steps to reproduce in launchpad and then also the upstream's bug tracker (since they are the ones who actually know the code of the application)
[21:52] <LimCore> ehh ok
[21:53] <greg-g> does that not make sense?
[21:53] <LimCore> it makes
[21:53] <LimCore> but volounteers alone seem to not always give expected result in timely maner
[21:54] <greg-g> I don't think that contradicts anything I said above
[21:54] <greg-g> if there is an issue, please report it
[21:54] <LimCore> ok I will
[21:55] <greg-g> thanks.
[21:55] <Rocket2DMn> any chance i can get another triager to have a look at my bug 313567 for me?
[21:56] <Rocket2DMn> it would be a shame if that behavior made it through to jaunty release
[21:56] <hggdh> Rocket2DMn, is this on Jaunty?
[21:56] <Rocket2DMn> yessir
[21:57] <Rocket2DMn> somebody tagged it as regression-potential, it is indeed a regression
[21:57] <hggdh> hum. I will give it a go, and see if it I am also affected
[21:57] <hggdh> brb
[21:58] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: regression-potential means it is in a regression in the development release
[21:58] <Rocket2DMn> ah, news to me thanks bdmurray
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> btw bdmurray i just gave ubuntu-bug a test (it exists in hardy, not just intrepid).  i'll update my guide when the forums are stable
[21:59] <hggdh> back
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> any luck hggdh >
[22:00] <hggdh> no, I resumed without even being asked for password
[22:00] <hggdh> on the other hand, I got a kernel oops
[22:00] <hggdh> heh
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[22:00] <hggdh> let me see what was the oops
[22:01] <hggdh> interesting: this is where I got the oops: 426656660207002
[22:01] <hggdh> dammit
[22:01] <hggdh> Component: resume devices
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> where are you pulling the oops from? kern.log?
[22:01] <hggdh> dmesg
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> ah k
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> whoa X got all messed up wheni resumed this time, WHAT is going on!
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> i like how TTYs come and go on that laptop, sometimes they work sometimes they dont
[22:03]  * LimCore cleans room
[22:03] <hggdh> Rocket2DMn, I am no expert on suspend (*never* supended before): are you expected to re-authenticate?
[22:04] <Rocket2DMn> hggdh, normally it is like a locked screen, it just wants your password
[22:04] <LimCore> (sorry, wrong window)
[22:04] <Rocket2DMn> whats happening here is that X session is restarted, so i have to login all over again
[22:04] <hggdh> I go *no* request:
[22:04] <hggdh> so you get a GDM restart, I get my session as it was
[22:04] <Rocket2DMn> check your power options
[22:04] <hggdh> and a koops
[22:05] <Rocket2DMn> yeah youre supposed to get your session back, just as you left it
[22:06] <hggdh> Yes, I expect I would get the session as it was, but I also expected to have to authenticate
[22:07] <hggdh> Rocket2DMn, what is you kernel package version?
[22:09] <Rocket2DMn> 2.6.28-4-generic
[22:09]  * hggdh is running 2.6.28-3-generic ... 2.6.28-4.9 fails to load
[22:10] <Rocket2DMn> i had the problem all through jaunty as long as i remmeber
[22:10] <hggdh> ah, got apport kicked on the koops
[22:10] <hggdh> reporting it
[22:11] <Rocket2DMn> i was hoping to get my bug triaged, i reported it last weekend
[22:11] <Rocket2DMn> since i cant really triage my own bug :(
[22:11] <hggdh> weird... apport states problem cannot be reported, because linux-image-2.6.28-3-generic is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[22:11] <hggdh> now THAT is surprising
[22:11] <Rocket2DMn> lol, file it against linux
[22:12] <hggdh> yes, but I am losing apport's auto upload of problem data. This is ridiculous
[22:21] <bdmurray> hggdh: it might be because your kernel is not up to date
[22:22] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, any idea about my suspend/resume bug?
[22:22] <hggdh> bdmurray, I can understand if this is the reason but: (1) the message is misleading; (2) I cannot boot with current -4
[22:23] <hggdh> hum. Will try another boot on current, JIC
[22:23] <hggdh> brb
[22:24] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: looking
[22:28] <bdmurray> can you add your menu.lst file to the bug?
[22:31] <Rocket2DMn> sure
[22:32] <Rocket2DMn> done
[22:33] <hggdh> yay, I drop straight into BusyBox on 2.6.28-4
[22:33] <bdmurray> your kernel isn't trying to resume from suspend
[22:34] <bdmurray> ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
[22:34] <bdmurray> # defoptions=quiet splash
[22:34] <hggdh> no, this is on a full reboot
[22:35] <Rocket2DMn> i dont understand bdmurray , i did two installs of jaunty
[22:37] <Rocket2DMn> you just listed 2 comments
[22:40] <bdmurray> Sorry, I was confused about suspend vs hibernate
[22:40] <Rocket2DMn> k
[22:41] <bdmurray> The output of dmesg after resuming from suspend might be helpful
[22:42] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: also have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend ?
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> o_0 i swore that was attached already, lol, ill get that right away
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i know about that page, thanks
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> you want me to do that stuff on the wiki page or just get the dmesg?
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> ah i had the dmesg.txt file i just neve ruploaded it
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> alright bdmurray , i uploaded dmesg, i havent done the wiki page stuff yet
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> thanks for sticking through this
[22:51] <bdmurray> Its probably really an X bug
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> i thought it might be, i filed it under linux b/c it is suspend resume though
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> i discussed it in here before i filed it i think
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, would you make a note on the bug of your analysis and change the package as necessary?  it would be nice to have a more professional opinion on the report so that the X guys don't think i'm crazy
[22:54] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: you could ping someone in #ubuntu-x and see what they thing
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> k, i'm in there now bdmurray , thank you
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> we'll see if anybody bites
[23:38] <woody86> how can I mark a bug as 'wishlist'?
[23:39] <crimsun> you need to be in bugcontrol
[23:39] <crimsun> which bug?
[23:40] <woody86> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/315248
[23:40] <crimsun> marked
[23:40] <woody86> how can I do that in the future?
[23:40] <crimsun> you need to join bugcontrol
[23:41] <woody86> ah, how can I do that? :)
[23:41] <crimsun> see the topic
[23:41] <crimsun> Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/
[23:45] <woody86> crimsun-  ah, thanks again :)
[23:45] <crimsun> yw
[23:55] <woody86> out of curiosity, would you guys mark this one as 'Wishlist' too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/315263
[23:59] <bdmurray> woody86: yes, it's a bit improperly formatted too.  it should be tagged 'needs-packaging' and the title should actually have [needs-packaging] in the front of it