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| adityag | anyone there ? | 10:04 |
|---|---|---|
| randa | adityag: ? | 10:06 |
| adityag | randa: in here for a membership | 10:07 |
| dholbach | @schedule berlin | 10:09 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 08 Jan 13:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 08 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team | 08 Jan 15:00: Ubuntu Java | 13 Jan 22:00: LoCo Council | 15 Jan 01:30: Forum Council | 19 Jan 23:00: IRC Council | 10:09 |
| dholbach | adityag: it seems like there is no membership board meeting scheduled right now | 10:09 |
| dholbach | adityag: which board did you apply with? | 10:10 |
| adityag | dholbach: Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania | 10:10 |
| adityag | but i still have to add my name there | 10:10 |
| dholbach | 06-January-2009, 09:00 UTC was the last meeting | 10:10 |
| dholbach | not sure when the next one is | 10:11 |
| MaWaLe | adityag : you have to add your apply on the WiKi page for the next meeting | 10:11 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: i am just editing it, just below yours | 10:12 |
| MaWaLe | ad affiliate to this wiki page so on every change you'll be notified | 10:14 |
| MaWaLe | s/ad/and | 10:14 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: so did you attend it ? | 10:14 |
| MaWaLe | yes adityag | 10:14 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: | 10:14 |
| adityag | ok good... | 10:14 |
| MaWaLe | and and i'm delayed to the next meeting | 10:15 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: when is the next meeting ? | 10:15 |
| MaWaLe | still not mentioned | 10:16 |
| MaWaLe | but i think there will be one the next week | 10:16 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: ok, is this your profile ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wajih | 10:19 |
| MaWaLe | adityag : you have to update your personal wiki page and to prepare a brief introduction to introduce yoursel during the meeting | 10:20 |
| MaWaLe | yes : it's mine | 10:20 |
| adityag | MaWaLe: i have done it | 10:20 |
| MaWaLe | but it's not the best example to have :) | 10:20 |
| MaWaLe | good luck adityag | 10:23 |
| adityag | thanks.........same 2 u | 10:24 |
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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 08 Jan 13:00: Desktop Team | 08 Jan 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 13 Jan 21:00: LoCo Council | 15 Jan 00:30: Forum Council | 19 Jan 22:00: IRC Council | ||
| lool | Hey | 11:59 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 12:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 06:00. The chair is davidm. | 12:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 12:00 |
| * ogra waves | 12:00 | |
| * NCommander waves | 12:00 | |
| davidm | hello, the Mobile Team Meeting is started. :) | 12:00 |
| * StevenK shores | 12:01 | |
| ogra | heh | 12:01 |
| NCommander | I read that as snores | 12:01 |
| NCommander | anyway ... | 12:01 |
| davidm | welcome to the first meeting of 2009, I hope everyone had a good end of year. | 12:01 |
| lool | Wow it's really late for StevenK | 12:01 |
| ogra | persia, ? | 12:01 |
| StevenK | Meh, 11pm | 12:01 |
| persia | ogra, ? | 12:01 |
| ogra | ah | 12:02 |
| StevenK | It was the same time at the end of last year, too | 12:02 |
| lool | To everybody I didn't have the occasion to wish a happy new year: happy new year | 12:02 |
| davidm | Yea, and it's 0600 where I'm sitting so no fair grumping, I'd much rather be up at 23:00 then 06:00 | 12:02 |
| * Hobbsee hands davidm a keg full of coffee. | 12:03 | |
| davidm | Anyway on to the agenda at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090108 | 12:03 |
| * StevenK isn't grumbling, just tired | 12:03 | |
| davidm | Thank you Hobbsee, I'm needing that at the moment :) | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:03 |
| lool | Actually we had actions from 2008 | 12:04 |
| davidm | lool, I was just about to ask that. | 12:04 |
| ogra | bah, thats so last year | 12:05 |
| davidm | I need to get mootbot a better home so logs can be reached easier | 12:05 |
| lool | not on the wiki; need to dig log | 12:05 |
| lool | [action] lool to grab the UMPC image and test. | 12:06 |
| lool | I did that | 12:06 |
| lool | specs by | 12:06 |
| lool | EPASTE | 12:06 |
| lool | [action] lool, StevenK, persia, ogra to update their specs by Jan 8th | 12:06 |
| StevenK | I need to talk about the UMPC image, too | 12:06 |
| davidm | Ah found them | 12:06 |
| lool | Sorry, back for a sec to UMPC image: I filed a bunch of bugs, there were a bunch of issues we need to address | 12:06 |
| ogra | meh, i havent finished the touchscreen one yet ... (will do so before the weekend) | 12:06 |
| lool | log is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/18/%23ubuntu-meeting.html | 12:06 |
| ogra | (teh BOF discussion was dumped in though, just needs proper formatting) | 12:07 |
| lool | Concerning specs, I didn't work on them; I'm afraid I misplanned working on them over the holidays and was sick on Mon and Tues and didn't have time to do them this week; I expect I'll do them by next week or earlier along with other tasks | 12:07 |
| lool | persia: I think you reviewed a bunch of specs; do you mind if I ask you for help in finding which ones I still need to look at? | 12:08 |
| lool | Oh right, there was [action] persia to grab unclaimed specs and update those. | 12:08 |
| lool | Might be why | 12:08 |
| persia | lool, Not at all. I'm nearly done with the overview review, and would be happy to send you a list of things to do, although probably in 15-18 hours. | 12:08 |
| * ogra would be grateful for something like that as well ... the only one i can clearly say it's mine is the touchscreen thing | 12:08 | |
| * persia accepts action to task all open specs | 12:09 | |
| davidm | HA found mootbot log updated agenda | 12:10 |
| NCommander | As an aside, all the specs that were discussed during UDS have now been drafted | 12:10 |
| persia | At least initially. I know I haven't completed at least 10 of the ones I wrote. | 12:11 |
| ogra | NCommander, all ? | 12:11 |
| lool | I added actions at the top of the current meeting | 12:11 |
| NCommander | s/all/the mobile ones/g | 12:11 |
| lool | davidm: Ah seems we were two :à) | 12:11 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyTouchscreenHandling is definately not done | 12:11 |
| ogra | (i would know that :) ) | 12:11 |
| * NCommander inserts foot in mouth and turns left | 12:12 | |
| davidm | [action] persia to send reminders to all on spec issues. | 12:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to send reminders to all on spec issues. | 12:12 |
| lool | Wow we wrote exactly the same text | 12:12 |
| davidm | [ACTION] ogra to finish the touchscreen spec ... (will do so before the weekend) | 12:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to finish the touchscreen spec ... (will do so before the weekend) | 12:12 |
| ogra | thanks | 12:12 |
| lool | persia: Cool thanks; 15-18 hours is fine | 12:13 |
| davidm | OK | 12:13 |
| lool | persia: I'll block on that and sit idle until I get it | 12:13 |
| davidm | let me set a belated topic | 12:13 |
| davidm | [topic] Action Items from Dec 18th, 2008 | 12:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Items from Dec 18th, 2008 | 12:13 |
| persia | lool, Erm. Don't do that. I was planning to sleep some of those 15-18 hours. | 12:14 |
| davidm | [topic] lool to move UNR text to wiki page. | 12:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool to move UNR text to wiki page. | 12:14 |
| * ogra guesses lool was joking | 12:14 | |
| lool | I'm searching for the URL, but it's done | 12:14 |
| davidm | lool, great | 12:14 |
| lool | ogra: Ah you can see the plans in the plans | 12:14 |
| ogra | heh | 12:14 |
| lool | It was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/jaunty-integration and was merged in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/JauntyUNR | 12:15 |
| ogra | eeek | 12:15 |
| lool | (I actually only had to poke bfiller who had already done the work of listing work items on a wiki page) | 12:15 |
| ogra | DVD ??? ! | 12:15 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/jaunty-integration | 12:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR/jaunty-integration | 12:15 |
| ogra | areally evil | 12:15 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/JauntyUNR | 12:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/JauntyUNR | 12:15 |
| persia | ogra, DVDs are good, because they contain *lots* of langpacks. | 12:16 |
| lool | ogra: i'd skip to Modification Details for the list of things we'll actually work on right now | 12:16 |
| davidm | OK lool are you happy with the pages? | 12:16 |
| ogra | persia, DVDs are the most horrid to test | 12:16 |
| lool | davidm: It's a good start; we'll update it / discuss it during implementation | 12:16 |
| persia | I suppose. | 12:16 |
| lool | ogra: I think they meant .iso | 12:16 |
| ogra | simply because tehy are so huge | 12:16 |
| davidm | OK | 12:16 |
| ogra | lool, i dont care about the image format, but about the size | 12:17 |
| lool | ogra: We can build both of a DVD and an ISO | 12:17 |
| lool | and a CDROM sized ISO I mean | 12:17 |
| ogra | ah, good | 12:17 |
| StevenK | Can we? | 12:17 |
| StevenK | Who was going to break this news to me? | 12:17 |
| StevenK | :-P | 12:17 |
| persia | Anyway, there are handy ways to test DVDs: the testing team has some automation that can be leveraged. | 12:17 |
| davidm | lool just did | 12:17 |
| StevenK | That so doesn't count | 12:17 |
| davidm | StevenK, ^^ | 12:17 |
| StevenK | You chickens | 12:17 |
| ogra | persia, doesnt make them smaller | 12:17 |
| lool | It's an option; these requirements were set by OEM folks; we can go back to them and tell them we're building a CD ISO for now, and would like to discuss the option of a DVD with them | 12:17 |
| persia | ogra, Actually, they use rsync, which makes the download smaller, but we're digressing. | 12:18 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:18 |
| lool | As in: is it a typo, do you really need it, why etc. | 12:18 |
| persia | And "who will be testing it?" | 12:18 |
| ogra | right | 12:18 |
| davidm | yes we are digressing | 12:18 |
| davidm | any actions from this right now? | 12:18 |
| ogra | the initial plan was to just modify the umpc image to be unr | 12:18 |
| StevenK | I'm working on it | 12:19 |
| lool | ogra: And that's how we will start; at some point we need to reconcile OEM's expectations with our implementation | 12:19 |
| StevenK | It's how I have started | 12:19 |
| lool | davidm: Don't think so, apart of implementation of the UNR spec | 12:19 |
| ogra | i'd like us to stick with that since all other stuff will put a lot extra work up we dont have the manpower for | 12:19 |
| lool | (Which doesn't need an action) | 12:19 |
| davidm | OK then lets move on | 12:19 |
| StevenK | The seeds, the meta packages and the tasks have all changed | 12:19 |
| davidm | [topic] StevenK to sort out seed changes | 12:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK to sort out seed changes | 12:19 |
| persia | It has a spec. Specs will become actions, once I assign them :) | 12:19 |
| lool | StevenK, ogra: Let's bring up DVD with bfiller and others and see whether it's a firm option | 12:19 |
| lool | davidm: You could action that | 12:20 |
| StevenK | Next is livecd-rootfs and cdimage scripts | 12:20 |
| lool | Since there's a lot of contention on the DVD issue | 12:20 |
| davidm | [action] lool to bring up DVD with bfiller and others and see whether it's a firm need | 12:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to bring up DVD with bfiller and others and see whether it's a firm need | 12:20 |
| ogra | lool, i dont see us having the manpower to do any DVD work, but well | 12:20 |
| lool | Ah I knew it would fall on my head | 12:20 |
| lool | StevenK, ogra: i'll make sure you're in this discussion though | 12:20 |
| ogra | thanks | 12:20 |
| davidm | ogra, we can ask for help from OEM if DVD is critical for them for some reason | 12:20 |
| lool | ogra: let's not discuss this until we're sure we do one or why we need one | 12:21 |
| davidm | StevenK, are you happy with seeds at this point? | 12:21 |
| StevenK | davidm: At this point, yes. | 12:21 |
| davidm | OK moving on then | 12:21 |
| ogra | the packages need proper autostart files etc ... | 12:21 |
| StevenK | davidm: As soon as we have a installable image, I'll become unhappy, since I'll have to change them a lot | 12:22 |
| ogra | but thast for "until FF" | 12:22 |
| davidm | [topic] persia -> I'll move the mobile-applications to a wiki page, and send email expecting people to update it for the next meeting | 12:22 |
| * NCommander has some info on d-i's status on ARM | 12:22 | |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia -> I'll move the mobile-applications to a wiki page, and send email expecting people to update it for the next meeting | 12:22 |
| * persia was an abject failure | 12:22 | |
| davidm | carry over that action then persia ? | 12:22 |
| persia | I put it on the agenda for today though, hoping we could assign people to each app. | 12:22 |
| davidm | Ah | 12:23 |
| davidm | OK | 12:23 |
| lool | I'm worried about this whole thing, even more so with one person per app | 12:23 |
| persia | Why more so with one person per app? | 12:23 |
| ogra | what would you suggest instead ? | 12:23 |
| lool | Well we'll do a frankenstein thing with random apps | 12:24 |
| persia | We each test the alternatives over the next week, and we have the answer at the next meeting? | 12:24 |
| ogra | we do have one already | 12:24 |
| StevenK | So we call Ubuntu Frankenstein and Ubuntu Frankensmaller | 12:24 |
| StevenK | I'll make the seed changes now | 12:24 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:24 |
| lool | haha | 12:25 |
| StevenK | I think we need one guy to do a 5000 foot view | 12:25 |
| lool | If you ask people here what mail app they prefer you'll get 4/5 different responses, same for photo viewing or text edition; I expect it will be somewhat the same in the MID case, even if everybody knows we're not biased | 12:25 |
| lool | Since we're basically not investing as much time on the MID image this cycle, why do we want to reconsider all apps this cycle? | 12:26 |
| Hobbsee | I believe the solution is "just use emacs for everything, and save space" | 12:26 |
| lool | (sorry for asking fundamental questions on this spec :-/) | 12:26 |
| davidm | lool, that is a valid poing | 12:26 |
| davidm | lool, that is a valid point that is | 12:26 |
| persia | lool, I'm not happy with my MID. I'd like to have a reasonable set of apps, and be happy. | 12:26 |
| * ogra agrees with lool | 12:27 | |
| lool | persia: I'm not happy with it either, and I can see that this is generally needed, but also a lot of work; I also think splitting it amongst various people will result in a different but almost equally bad result | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | lool: well, won't it be somewhat limited by the fact that various of the options won't fit on the screen anyway? | 12:27 |
| lool | Hobbsee: Sure | 12:28 |
| persia | lool, It's just testing the candidates to see how they work in jaunty, and whether they fit on the screen. | 12:28 |
| persia | I'm not suggesting people go and recode stuff or anything. | 12:28 |
| lool | It's some "research" of possible apps | 12:29 |
| lool | AIUI | 12:29 |
| persia | For most of them we have a list of 3-4 candidates from UDS. It's just testing those. | 12:29 |
| lool | Ok; is there a list of things to check / test for them as well? | 12:29 |
| lool | e.g. finger-friendly | 12:29 |
| davidm | lool, I agree and I don't want to invest too much time on this, we don't have the cycles, but I'm willing to invest some amount of time. | 12:30 |
| persia | lool, There's a short "requirements" list, yes. | 12:30 |
| lool | I think a couple of hours of everybody's time to try out apps is fine, as long as we keep it documented in a safe place | 12:30 |
| lool | My personal fear is that a better solution would be to package new stuff which isn't in the archive, or improve some existing stuff | 12:31 |
| ogra | ++ | 12:31 |
| lool | Say, what if there's a cool maemo.org project of a new foo app and it would be the winner would it be in our archive | 12:31 |
| ogra | we should not lose the overview | 12:31 |
| ogra | but surely not invest to much time | 12:31 |
| StevenK | Well, let's document stuff at least | 12:31 |
| persia | I don't want new stuff. Just testing. Some of the stuff we have doesn't work at all well, and we can just toss it out. | 12:31 |
| davidm | it's really late in cycle to import anything, but documenting things it OK with me. | 12:32 |
| lool | Ok, let's start with this research of in-archive apps as a first step then | 12:32 |
| davidm | persia, can you take the action to drive this, ie: list of things to check for each category? | 12:32 |
| lool | I agree it's useful, albeit probably not enough to chose the best apps for MID | 12:32 |
| persia | Sure. It will be in the spec tomorrow. | 12:33 |
| persia | What I want now is people to volunteer for each class. I'll name a class, and someone say "Me". First always wins. | 12:33 |
| persia | Browser. | 12:33 |
| lool | We're talking of 14 categories; I expect some 20-30 apps to test and we're 7 not counting davidm | 12:33 |
| lool | Some probably longer than others | 12:33 |
| persia | RIght. So everyone gets two. | 12:33 |
| davidm | [action] persia to pull together a list of things to check for MID Application Selection. | 12:33 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to pull together a list of things to check for MID Application Selection. | 12:33 |
| lool | I'll take calendar | 12:34 |
| StevenK | Heh | 12:34 |
| persia | I'll take the ones nobody else wants. | 12:34 |
| lool | and text editor | 12:34 |
| davidm | [action] lool to look at calendar | 12:34 |
| NCommander | I'll look at file managers | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to look at calendar | 12:34 |
| NCommander | and ... instant messager | 12:34 |
| StevenK | I don't remember the categories | 12:34 |
| davidm | [action] lool to look at text editor | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to look at text editor | 12:34 |
| lool | StevenK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090108 | 12:34 |
| davidm | [action] NCommander to look at file managers | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to look at file managers | 12:34 |
| NCommander | Disclaimer: I don't actually have a device that can run MID, so all my testing will be in a KVM image | 12:34 |
| * ogra takes on screen kbd | 12:34 | |
| davidm | [action] NCommander to look at instant messager | 12:34 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to look at instant messager | 12:34 |
| StevenK | Feed Reader | 12:35 |
| StevenK | Book Reader | 12:35 |
| davidm | [action] ogra to look at on screen kbd | 12:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to look at on screen kbd | 12:35 |
| ogra | and alarm clock | 12:35 |
| NCommander | [action] StevenK to look at Feed Reader | 12:35 |
| davidm | [action] StevenK to look at Book Reader | 12:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: StevenK to look at Book Reader | 12:35 |
| ogra | the uglyness bothers me since a while | 12:35 |
| persia | StevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090108 has the categories | 12:35 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Needs to be davidm saying it | 12:35 |
| davidm | [action] ogra to look at alarm clock | 12:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to look at alarm clock | 12:35 |
| lool | Argh we're not 7 but 6, I counted amitk on the agenda | 12:35 |
| NCommander | StevenK, I thought action was a general command, oh well. | 12:35 |
| davidm | [action] StevenK to look at Feed Reader | 12:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: StevenK to look at Feed Reader | 12:36 |
| NCommander | What''s left? | 12:36 |
| ogra | i was planning to look into fennec ... | 12:36 |
| davidm | amitk is not here | 12:36 |
| lool | I'm removing amitk from the agenda; he's only invited here and not present these weeks anyway | 12:36 |
| ogra | so i might take web browser as well | 12:36 |
| davidm | [action] ogra to look at web browsers | 12:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to look at web browsers | 12:36 |
| lool | I'll take address book as well then | 12:37 |
| davidm | ogra, I'm interested in just how good fennec is, please let me know what you think as you play with it. :-) | 12:37 |
| lool | There might be some overlap with email or instant messenger obviously | 12:37 |
| davidm | [action] lool to look at address book | 12:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to look at address book | 12:37 |
| persia | Leftovers are Document viewer, Photo Viewer, Media Player, and Onscreen Keyboard? | 12:37 |
| * lool long week ahead | 12:37 | |
| ogra | i tried eth recent release on maemo and it still sucks a bit but improved | 12:37 |
| persia | Could someone else take one of those? | 12:37 |
| davidm | persia, ogra took Onscreen Keyboard | 12:38 |
| lool | persia: onscreen was taken by ogra | 12:38 |
| ogra | right | 12:38 |
| StevenK | ogra has Onscreen Keyboard? | 12:38 |
| StevenK | s/?// | 12:38 |
| lool | NCommander: You need to say it too | 12:38 |
| ogra | :) | 12:38 |
| davidm | so persia are you willing to take on: Document viewer, Photo Viewer, Media Player? | 12:38 |
| NCommander | ogra, has the onscreen keyboard? ohnos! | 12:38 |
| NCommander | :-P | 12:38 |
| lool | ;) | 12:38 |
| persia | Great. I get Document Viewer, Photo Viewer, and Media Player then. Lots of books and movies. Hurrah! | 12:38 |
| ogra | persia, and i have the onscreen keyboard | 12:39 |
| davidm | [action] persia to review Document viewer | 12:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to review Document viewer | 12:39 |
| davidm | [action] persia to review Photo Viewer | 12:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to review Photo Viewer | 12:39 |
| davidm | [action] persia to review Media Player | 12:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: persia to review Media Player | 12:39 |
| StevenK | At least persia won't ask me to look at elisa | 12:40 |
| davidm | OK are we done with this topic for now? | 12:40 |
| persia | Yes. That was it. Thanks. | 12:40 |
| * davidm can't wait to see the mootbot log for this one ;-) | 12:40 | |
| ogra | heh | 12:40 |
| StevenK | I think my poor Q1 is still cooling down from trying to run it | 12:41 |
| davidm | OK then on to current business | 12:41 |
| davidm | [topic] status | 12:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: status | 12:41 |
| davidm | [topic] StevenK's status | 12:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK's status | 12:41 |
| ogra | asleep ? | 12:42 |
| davidm | apparently we have terminally overheated StevenK's Q1 | 12:42 |
| lool | Let's go back to him later; we'll soon get his AR too | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: looks like it. | 12:43 |
| davidm | [topic] lool's status | 12:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool's status | 12:43 |
| lool | sitting | 12:43 |
| * davidm grins | 12:43 | |
| lool | General catchup done; finishing a SRU and then will be done for intrepid stuff | 12:44 |
| lool | Currently high on the TODO are specs and some canonical work items | 12:44 |
| lool | That's about it; I have a good overview of tasks to accomplish; let me know if you need something urgently from me and I didn't ack it | 12:45 |
| davidm | OK thanks lool | 12:45 |
| davidm | [topic] ogra's status | 12:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra's status | 12:45 |
| ogra | dumped BOF notes into the touchscreen spec, no further mobile related work, did hardware enablement for some specific arm HW which doesnt belong into this meeting ... | 12:45 |
| ogra | and sitting as well :) | 12:45 |
| * davidm 10k people out of work and we have ogra for humor | 12:46 | |
| davidm | ;-) | 12:46 |
| ogra | heh | 12:46 |
| lool | StevenK has some connectivity issues with freenode, will be back shortly we hope | 12:46 |
| ogra | tahts it for this week from my side :) | 12:47 |
| StevenK | I'm here | 12:47 |
| davidm | Ah OK | 12:47 |
| davidm | [topic] StevenK's status | 12:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK's status | 12:47 |
| davidm | bringing back StevenK status | 12:47 |
| StevenK | I did armel stuff after UDS before breaking up, I've mostly been working on moving UMPC to UNR | 12:48 |
| davidm | StevenK, thanks, anything else to add? | 12:49 |
| StevenK | Nope | 12:49 |
| davidm | [topic] NCommander's status | 12:50 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander's status | 12:50 |
| NCommander | ENOCOFFEE, EBROKENCOFFEEMAKER, ENOSLEEP, EXRANDRISEVIL, WLOWCOKE, WLOWCAFFIENE, WCOLD, ISITTING | 12:50 |
| NCommander | I drafted a couple of the UDS specs for the mobile, which I'm running through Steve | 12:50 |
| NCommander | Before Christmas, I also managed to get MID semi-working on ARM (I think the issue with gnome-settings-manager has been resolved, so it probably will work should I take another stab at it) | 12:51 |
| NCommander | That's all I got. | 12:52 |
| NCommander | oh wait | 12:52 |
| lool | haha | 12:52 |
| NCommander | I would also like to join the ubuntu-mobile team :-) | 12:53 |
| davidm | Ah, we need to vote on that I think, correct persia? | 12:53 |
| StevenK | Denied. Next! | 12:53 |
| * StevenK grins evilly | 12:53 | |
| * persia digs up the records for the policy | 12:53 | |
| persia | Right. Applicants need to have contributed some stuff, and then need to get votes from current team members. | 12:54 |
| lool | I think you need a couple more months as a MOTU before joining the mobile team -- nahh just kidding, I'm +1 | 12:54 |
| persia | So, votes from current team members (LP: ~ubuntu-mobile) | 12:54 |
| StevenK | Ooooh. | 12:55 |
| ogra | + | 12:55 |
| StevenK | That could draw blood, lool | 12:55 |
| ogra | 1 | 12:55 |
| davidm | davidm, +1 | 12:55 |
| StevenK | +1 | 12:55 |
| persia | +1 from me: the architecture-neutral stuff was great. | 12:55 |
| lool | ogra is writing vertically now | 12:55 |
| ogra | y | 12:56 |
| ogra | e | 12:56 |
| ogra | a | 12:56 |
| ogra | h | 12:56 |
| lool | xrandr to the rescue | 12:56 |
| ogra | : | 12:56 |
| ogra | ) | 12:56 |
| StevenK | Oh, sigh | 12:56 |
| NCommander | lool, that's an improvement, last night my LCDs were upside down to make my world right side up | 12:56 |
| * StevenK retroactively slaughters ogra | 12:56 | |
| * ogra bleeds on the floor | 12:56 | |
| lool | So I think we have enough +1s | 12:56 |
| StevenK | At least he didn't do /\nm\ne\n | 12:56 |
| lool | And still two status reports to fit in 4 minutes | 12:56 |
| davidm | OK works for me, NCommander welcome to the team | 12:56 |
| davidm | [topic] persia's status | 12:57 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia's status | 12:57 |
| NCommander | INEWLPBADGE,IWOO | 12:57 |
| * StevenK shifts NCommander out of Zope context | 12:57 | |
| persia | Oh, I've just been reading specs, determining what needs to be done, and who's likely to care. I fixed a couple specs that people whined about specifically. | 12:58 |
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| davidm | persia, anything else? | 12:58 |
| persia | Nope. | 12:59 |
| davidm | [topic] davidm's status | 12:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm's status | 12:59 |
| davidm | I've been reading specs and in meeting with other teams to update specs | 12:59 |
| davidm | getting ready to present Ubuntu Mobile at LCA | 12:59 |
| davidm | and that's it for now' | 12:59 |
| davidm | OK | 13:00 |
| davidm | we are out of time | 13:00 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 07:00. | 13:00 |
| davidm | thanks everyone | 13:00 |
| lool | davidm: thanks for chairing | 13:01 |
| ogra | thanks | 13:02 |
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| persia | Anyone here for the Java Meeting? | 14:03 |
| slytherin | persia: yup. :-) | 14:04 |
| ludovicc | yes | 14:04 |
| persia | OK. No special agenda this week (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting) | 14:05 |
| persia | Roadmap then. | 14:06 |
| persia | robilad isn't here, so we'll skip that part (really not expecting much progress until the Maven stuff is complete anyway). | 14:06 |
| persia | slytherin, How is MoveToUniverse going? | 14:06 |
| ludovicc | I'm working on the Maven stuff ;-) | 14:07 |
| slytherin | persia: not much to do there except jboss for which I have logged the bug already. | 14:07 |
| persia | slytherin, So we're basically caught up with Debian at this point, and to get further requires real research on the copyright state of things? | 14:07 |
| slytherin | persia: we are almost caught up with Debian. Whatever packages are remaining are not high profile packages. | 14:08 |
| persia | OK. Are you expecting to move ahead of Debian, or work with Debian on MoveToMain, and then keep up-to-date? | 14:09 |
| slytherin | As of now I just plan to get in sync with Debian. | 14:11 |
| persia | OK. Anything blocking? Need any help? | 14:11 |
| slytherin | nothing blocking. I will bug some archive admin for jboss bug. But that's it. | 14:12 |
| persia | OK. Next, is Maven. | 14:12 |
| persia | ludovicc, As Koon is away today, could you give us a quick precis of status on that effort? | 14:12 |
| ludovicc | I'm working with Debian (Torsten Werner) to build Maven projects in Debian | 14:13 |
| slytherin | ludovicc: I didn't know you were involved. :-) | 14:14 |
| ludovicc | Torstern has released a 0.1 version of maven-debian-helper, which contains cdbs rules for Maven | 14:15 |
| persia | Are you using the bootstrap guide from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Specs/MavenSupportSpec or another resource? | 14:15 |
| ludovicc | this version is still a bit rough, as it requires patching Maven pom files | 14:15 |
| ludovicc | currently it's using Torsten's specs, defined here http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenBuilder | 14:16 |
| ludovicc | as I have implemented something which was more around the lines of MavenSupportSpec, I'm trying to merge both ideas together | 14:17 |
| persia | Cool! | 14:17 |
| persia | Any big issues, or just a lot of little things on a per-package basis? | 14:18 |
| ludovicc | currently software built with Maven is deployed to /usr/share/maven-repo | 14:18 |
| ludovicc | the issue is with packages which were not built with Maven in mind, we need to include them somehow in the Debian Maven repository | 14:19 |
| ludovicc | my idea currently is to create a dependency map, following the model of JPackage, and it maps the Maven structure (groupId/artifactId) to the location of the jar in Debian | 14:20 |
| ludovicc | so I will add this dependency map to maven-debian-helper, and this should solve the issue with building packages mixing Maven and non-Maven built packages | 14:22 |
| persia | On a per-package basis, or generally? | 14:22 |
| persia | Would that need updating for each new Java package introduced? | 14:22 |
| ludovicc | per-package, but only for new packages which are built with Maven | 14:23 |
| ludovicc | there will be some duplication, but it's better than upgrading all existing packages to include support for Maven | 14:24 |
| persia | OK, so Maven-built packages that depend on legacy packages need glue, but everything else can be left alone, and the glue is added only based on the build-dependencies of the new package? | 14:24 |
| ludovicc | exactly | 14:24 |
| persia | OK. That's workable. You're discussing this with Torsten? | 14:25 |
| ludovicc | yes I am | 14:25 |
| ludovicc | Torsten has already released quite a few new packages, you can see them here | 14:26 |
| ludovicc | deb http://people.debian.org/~twerner/ ./ | 14:26 |
| persia | Excellent! These are in experimental already? | 14:26 |
| ludovicc | yes, or maybe even in unstable, I don't remember exactly | 14:27 |
| ludovicc | how can we get those new packages in Ubuntu Jaunty, once they are in Debian? | 14:27 |
| slytherin | some of them are perhaps in unstable, some in experimental. I am filing sync bugs for them as and when they can be built in pbuilder chroot for jaunty. | 14:28 |
| persia | ludovicc, Anything else outstanding? Any blockers? Do you need help? | 14:30 |
| persia | ludovicc, ? | 14:31 |
| ludovicc | no blockers, but I will need other people to test and build new Maven packages when maven-debian-helper is more advanced | 14:31 |
| ludovicc | also, it would help if somebody could package the remaining Maven plugins, there are > 20 of them, plus what can be found on other places (mojo.codehaus.org) | 14:32 |
| slytherin | ludovicc: sure once the complete tool chain is in Ubuntu. | 14:32 |
| persia | OK. When you get to that point, please let us know: there's a few Java packagers that might be able to help. | 14:32 |
| ludovicc | sure | 14:33 |
| ludovicc | I will need help to move the tool chain to Ubuntu, as I don't know how that process works | 14:33 |
| persia | Mostly just requires sync requests. | 14:34 |
| ludovicc | where do you file them? | 14:34 |
| persia | slytherin, Could you walk ludovicc through the process after the meeting? | 14:34 |
| slytherin | persia: sure. | 14:35 |
| persia | Thanks. | 14:35 |
| persia | OK. Next up: dropping Sun Java 5. | 14:35 |
| persia | slytherin, did you finish drafting the spec for that? I don't see a link yet. | 14:35 |
| slytherin | persia: I never started. :-( | 14:35 |
| persia | Do you still have time to do it, or do you need someone else to do that? | 14:36 |
| slytherin | I don't mind if someone else takes over. | 14:36 |
| persia | OK. I'll write up a spec for that, and push it through the approvals process. | 14:36 |
| persia | I'll also accept assignment for the Roadmap item. | 14:37 |
| persia | Do you know of any specific packages that will break without it? | 14:37 |
| slytherin | No. All the packages which use sun specific APIs seem to build/run fine with openjdk. | 14:38 |
| persia | Excellent. I like it when I inherit easy work :) | 14:38 |
| persia | OK. Next up: open discussion. Anyone have anything else they want to add? | 14:39 |
| slytherin | nothing from my side. | 14:39 |
| persia | ludovicc, ? | 14:39 |
| ludovicc | is there a plan to upgrade the Java IDEs to their latest versions? | 14:40 |
| ludovicc | Eclipse 3.4 and Netbeans 6.5 | 14:40 |
| ludovicc | (big task!) | 14:40 |
| persia | I think everyone is hiding from eclipse, from what I've heard. | 14:40 |
| persia | I'll check on netbeans now. | 14:40 |
| slytherin | AFAIK, few people from debian-java are working on Eclipse. But debian-java moves very slow these days with regards to sponsorship. | 14:42 |
| persia | Indeed: the netbeans crew is working on netbeans 6.5 packaging, and so we should be good. | 14:42 |
| ludovicc | nice to know! | 14:42 |
| ludovicc | no more questions at this point | 14:43 |
| persia | OK. Until next week then. Thanks all. | 14:44 |
| slytherin | bye | 14:44 |
| ludovicc | ah, where is this Netbeans team? | 14:44 |
| persia | Distributed. I think most of them are in Prague and Petersberg, but I'm not 100% sure. | 14:45 |
| ludovicc | ok, so the Sun developers are actually taking care of packaging the IDE, not the Debian community | 14:47 |
| persia | Well, the NetBeans Community, but yes. | 14:47 |
| ludovicc | ok, thanks. See you | 14:47 |
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