[11:52] <cjwatson> does anyone have /proc/cpuinfo from an lpia system handy?
[11:52] <StevenK> Ish
[11:52] <cjwatson> I'm working on bug 291670
[11:52] <persia> I have a collection of those.  I can attach them to the bug if you like.
[12:01] <persia> cjwatson, I've attached two I had handy, which were very similar.  I'll attach at least two others, I just have to dig them up.
[12:03] <persia> StevenK, I think mine are different than yours (different hardware), so it might be interesting to push those two, just to show variance.
[12:03] <StevenK> My Q1 isn't running lpia currently
[12:03] <persia> intrepid live image?
[12:07] <StevenK> Hm
[12:07] <StevenK> Good point
[12:08] <cjwatson> persia: thanks
[12:09] <StevenK> cjwatson: Booting my Q1 to also add to the bug
[12:09] <StevenK> (Helping you so I don't feel bad when I bug you after the meeting :-)
[12:09] <cjwatson> the kernel installation script is going to be really simple, so there's not much possible variance - don't put too much effort in
[12:10] <persia> There's two classes of chips that get a real lpia kernel: A1xx and Atom.  Everything else probably should have lpiacompat.
[12:10] <persia> Since lpiacompat doesn't ship in the image, this will generate another bug, but that can be worked around differently.
[12:11] <cjwatson> ah, in that case I would like to have a sample of A1xx, Atom, and something that requires lpiacompat
[12:11] <cjwatson> does -lpia boot on non-A1xx/Atom chips?
[12:11] <cjwatson> (at least in theory)
[12:11] <persia> Does anyone have one of the Via EeePCs, or another C7M device in the channel?
[12:12] <cjwatson> because if it does, then I can just fall back from -lpiacompat to -lpia if available
[12:12] <cjwatson> fallbacks are good
[12:12] <persia> For some chips, maybe.  Depends on the instruction set on the chip.  Also, no guarantees that it will continue to do so as lpia evolves.
[12:12] <persia> lpiacompat is for chips that can't run lpia kernel, but can run lpia userspace.
[12:13] <cjwatson> you guys should instruct me on what to do here
[12:13] <persia> The VIA c7M is the most popular example.
[12:13] <persia> How about I get the rest of the data you need to write the shims, and update the bug?
[12:14] <cjwatson> persia: ok, yes please. BTW, if there's something in 'flags' in cpuinfo that I can use for the detection, that would be better than working off model names
[12:15] <persia> I don't know of something for that.  I'll see if I can chase down a better answer from the kernel folk.
[12:16] <cjwatson> StevenK: what am I going to be bugged about later? :)
[12:16] <StevenK> cjwatson: livecd-rootfs, which will take about 15 seconds, and also about the ubuntu-mid daily fail
[12:49] <cjwatson> ok
[13:21] <lool> Grrr build logs disappearing from librarian, and I sent them in a Debian bug report as a reference
[13:22] <lool> persia: I have a VIA C7 and I found its power adapter
[13:22] <lool> It's been on the way to my desk for weeks now to push me into booting it
[13:22] <persia> lool, Excellent.  Could you post /proc/cpuinfo to the bug?
[13:22] <lool> Yeah, just finishing what I have in progress first
[13:23] <lool> (need to write an USB key for it and all)
[15:04] <lool> Hmm the MID image says Could not find kernel image: linux to me
[15:04] <lool> On my VIA C7
[15:04] <lool> Perhaps it's screwed
[15:06]  * lool rsyncs and tries again
[15:12] <lool> Suckage, even with the latest version
[15:17] <lool> Interesting, it only boots once into syslinux, the second time it's boot failure
[15:19] <lool> It seems this device is very picky
[15:20] <lool> I kind of don't know what I'm booting actually since I don't get the boot.msg
[15:24] <lool> Ah perhaps with a fat16
[15:27] <lool> YES \o/
[15:27] <lool> Stupid old crap
[15:30] <lool> persia: Ah this is a VIA C3, Nehemiah
[15:30] <lool> cjwatson: Did you have any interest in this?
[15:30] <lool> cjwatson: (/proc/cpuinfo)
[15:30] <lool> I'm in the initramfs and running a lpia kernel on it
[15:30] <lool> AFAICS, lpiacompat isn't needed
[15:31] <lool> What I have in cpuinfo: vendor_id is "CentaurHauls" model name is "VIA Nehemiah"; that's about all
[15:48] <cjwatson> lool: go ahead and attach it
[16:00] <lool> Not really attached but done
[18:55] <mcgrof> umpc and mid do not use conman?
[18:57] <mcgrof> lool: IIRC Via Nehemiah requires CONFIG_X86_GENERIC or something like that
[19:00] <lool> mcgrof: Should I understand from your comment that it's not turned on in the lpia kernel or that I will see breakage?
[19:04] <mcgrof> lool: I am not sure if it is or not enabled, check, but if its not I would expect your kernel to oops early as I ran into that same issue a while back when debian decided to remove that config option from their 686 kernel images
[19:10] <lool> mcgrof: At least I can tell you I successfully load the kernel and an initramfs and run busybox in it
[19:13] <mcgrof> lool: oh mine was VIA Nehemiah
[19:13] <mcgrof> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/7/21/162
[19:13] <lool> so is mine
[19:13] <lool> mcgrof: That's what I have as well
[19:14] <mcgrof> oh then yeah it was CONFIG_X86_GENERIC that needs to be =y
[19:14] <mcgrof> unless hpa fixed this somehow in recent kernels
[19:14] <lool> I guess it's set in lpia
[19:14] <mcgrof> I thought he wasn't though
[19:17] <n_8> hello all.  i have a quick question if someone would be so kind to help me with
[19:17] <n_8> i am running ubuntu-mobile with the hildon desktop as a second session for use as an in car computer
[19:18] <n_8> i wrote an app utilizing adobe air that will run just fine under gnome, however will not launch one i am logged into the hildon desktop
[19:19] <n_8> is adobe air compatible with ubuntu-mobile/hildon 
[19:34] <lool> n_8: I don't know why it wouldn't work, but you should be able to run anything you run under GNOME under hildon, perhaps with more components running
[19:34] <lool> n_8: Perhaps you're missing packages; check error messages in your .xsession-errors
[19:34] <n_8> ok i will do that
[19:34] <n_8> thank you
[19:35] <n_8> one more quick question
[19:35] <n_8> is there anything other than changing the .desktop file to get it to show in hildon?
[19:35] <n_8> a particular application i mean
[19:36] <lool> Depends of your version, is it the intrepid one?
[19:36] <lool> 8.10
[19:36] <lool> It's using Categories to select what to show
[19:36] <lool> n_8: But yeah, it's just tweaking the OnlyShowIn and Categories in the .desktop file
[19:37] <n_8> im using 8.04
[19:37] <lool> It's also the case in 8.04, but with different combinations
[19:37] <n_8> ok thank you
[19:43] <lool> mcgrof: x86_generic=y in intrepid's linux-lpia lpia config
[19:43] <lool> and lpiacompat as well
[19:43] <mcgrof> lool: nice
[20:35] <vit1251> hi all
[20:36] <vit1251> i am have intersting about Ubuntu Mobile
[20:36] <vit1251> can I install this on my PDA?
[20:36] <vit1251> what i neet to do this?
[23:32] <n_8> ok so i got the app to run by going into the terminal and using ./
[23:32] <n_8> but why will the icon not launch the app?
[23:33] <n_8> xsession-error says: attempt to exec invalid entry
[23:33] <n_8> any ideas?