[00:11] <sabhain> laga, when you check in, can you let me know what to do about /proc not unmounting after chrooting or doing some mcc work on a diskless image.  Worked the first time, but now I go back, and I get a "can't umount, device busy on the /proc mount of the image."  I now can't commit changes or finish the updates due to this.  Haven't found anything at the forums.
[00:16] <sabhain> I must be doing something dumb if it's not a common error.
[01:41] <RobertLaptop> Anyone around who can help with myth-web I am getting "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432" even though I have updated php.ini to be higher then 32M yet it keeps reporting the same size anyone know know were that setting is to increase?
[01:44] <gregL> RobertLaptop, try in #mythtv-user  The developers hang in there they maybe able to help you
[01:45] <RobertLaptop> ok
[01:45] <gregL> developers of mythweb that is
[01:45] <RobertLaptop> Must be something wrong with that since I am the only one in that room.
[01:46] <gregL> #mythtv-users
[01:46] <gregL> sorry
[01:46] <mtn_biker_mike> can any one help with trouble shooting/ setup a mythtv,
[01:46] <mtn_biker_mike>  I have a p 4 2.2 ghz soyo MB, Pchdtv Hd-3000 and a Hauppauge hvr 1600 or wintv-HVR-1600, Loaded MythtvUbuntu 8.10,
[01:46] <mtn_biker_mike> no Guide no tv,
[01:46] <mtn_biker_mike> was able to get it to record with no sound.
[01:46] <mtn_biker_mike> Current status No Tv blank data on the guide,
[01:51] <Soopa> Hello
[01:52] <Soopa> I just installed Mythbuntu 8.10 and am having video problems with my ATI Radeon 7000
[01:52] <Soopa> it doesn't seem to find a video driver
[01:52] <Soopa> can anyone help?
[02:00] <RobertLaptop> found it.  mythweb.conf.apache defines a memory limit separte from the standard php file
[02:00] <RobertLaptop> so I just need to adjust /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb.conf
[02:48] <sabhain> anyone know how to unmount /proc within chroot without rebooting?
[02:58] <sabhain> fixed it .. using umount -l from within chroot solves it..
[03:15] <Guest53292> I'm encountering an "NVP: prebuffering pause" Followed by "NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.." errors  during playback... LiveTV is no problem can anyone help point me towards a solution?
[03:49] <fluvvell> Hi, I've got Lirc running sucessfully, love the mythbuntu control centre, but its needing a modprobe after I reboot.  Any clues?
[04:03] <dgarr> cat /etc/modules for a hint
[04:14] <Shadow____X> anyone know on when mythtv-fixes will hit the repos
[04:15] <Shadow____X> the slowness of program guide and how unresponsive it is sometimes makes me really hate this amd x2 2350 cpu i am using
[04:31] <rhpot1991> Shadow____X: US weekly builds should be working now
[04:32] <Shadow____X> oh yeah
[04:32] <Shadow____X> nice
[04:32] <Shadow____X> how can i update it then
[04:33] <rhpot1991> Shadow____X: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[04:33] <Shadow____X> thanks
[04:36] <Shadow____X> updating now
[04:36] <Shadow____X> hopefully it is faster
[04:37] <Shadow____X> that would be nice
[04:43] <Shadow____X> should i reboot or just restart backend
[05:51] <MythbuntuGuest66> can someone help me hook my frontend to my backend?
[05:53] <MythbuntuGuest66> i guess i really need to know how to find out what my username and password for the database are
[05:53] <MythbuntuGuest66> is the default username mythtv?
[05:54] <MythbuntuGuest20> sorry i accidentally left the room
[05:57] <Shadow__X> MythbuntuGuest20, go under /etc/mythtv
[05:57] <Shadow__X> there will be a fill that says mysql your user name and pass ford the db are there
[05:59] <MythbuntuGuest20> awesome
[06:02] <Shadow__X> yup also your going to need to enable remote connects on the mysql server if the frontend isnt the same machine the backend is on
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest20> by setting the pin to 0000 and changing the IP to a real ip?
[06:04] <Shadow__X> no goto mythbuntu control center and under services enable remote connections to mysql
[06:05] <MythbuntuGuest20> i just checked and i aleady had it enabled
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest20> i got my frontend to the watchtv ... etc screen and it says the backend doesnt seem to be running
[06:06] <Shadow__X> make sure its running
[06:06] <Shadow__X> does the backend have a frontend on it
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest20> i just ran mythbackend and it says couldnt bind port... so im assuming its running
[06:07] <Shadow__X> alright
[06:07] <Shadow__X> open mythbackend setup
[06:07] <Shadow__X> then close it
[06:08] <MythbuntuGuest20> top said it is running but i will try that
[06:08] <Shadow__X> if top says its running
[06:08] <Shadow__X> thats fine
[06:09] <Shadow__X> connect to the mysql database remotely
[06:09] <MythbuntuGuest20> do i need to be connecting with 6543
[06:09] <MythbuntuGuest20> or 3306
[06:09] <Shadow__X> leave the ports default
[06:09] <Shadow__X> but you should put in real ip information in the mythbackend setup
[06:09] <Shadow__X> like the ip address of the machine
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest20> i did
[06:12] <MythbuntuGuest20> it is acting like it is fine and the front end loads without saying "cant connect to db?"
[06:12] <MythbuntuGuest20> but when i go to watch tv it tells me it cant find the backend
[06:12] <Shadow__X> can you wach recordings
[06:12] <MythbuntuGuest20> when i go to that it says the same thing
[06:13] <Shadow__X> you can look at the log
[06:13] <Shadow__X> or run it in terminal
[06:13] <Shadow__X> i have had that problem before but forgot how i fixed it
[06:15] <MythbuntuGuest20> where are the logs at?
[06:16] <Shadow__X> /var/logs
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest20> i think it thinks its not the master backend server
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest20> it says "adding tv as slave backend server" tv is my hostname
[06:17] <Shadow__X> hmm
[06:18] <Shadow__X> on the backend make sure the configuration is correct
[06:18] <Shadow__X> in the first step
[06:18] <Shadow__X> that defines the backends
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest20> it says connecting to 127.0.0.1
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest20> which i changed
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest20> lemme double check
[06:19] <Shadow__X> 127.0.0.1 is localhost
[06:19] <MythbuntuGuest20> yeah
[06:19] <MythbuntuGuest20> what should my master backend ip be?
[06:20] <Shadow__X> the ip of the backend
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest20> well i mean should it be a real ip too?
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest20> or localhost
[06:20] <Shadow__X> only deal with real ips
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest20> thats probably my problem
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest20> brb
[06:20] <Shadow__X> ok
[06:28] <MythbuntuGuest20> ok now it seems like it wants to play. when i hit watch tv it goes to a black screen
[06:28] <MythbuntuGuest20> after that it put a show in my recordings menu but said it was empty
[06:30] <hads> !blank
[06:30] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about blank
[06:30] <MythbuntuGuest20> i didnt install the ati drivers on the backend machine
[06:30] <hads> !blank%
[06:30] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[06:30] <MythbuntuGuest20> ohh
[06:30] <MythbuntuGuest20> can it have 777 permissions?
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest20> surely
[06:31] <hads> Sure that will be fine
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest20> i forgot, how do i add ownership? chown? i always just do chmod 777 cause i am the only user on my machines
[06:31] <hads> Bad prcatice :)
[06:32] <hads> chown user:group /path/
[06:32] <MythbuntuGuest20> sweet thanks
[06:32] <hads> np
[06:36] <MythbuntuGuest20> was i looking at the right thing that was sayings the default directory was /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ?
[06:36] <MythbuntuGuest20> i was looking under storage groups > default
[06:37] <hads> Sounds right, that's probably not you're problem then.
[06:37] <MythbuntuGuest20> well under live tv there was no group or directory set
[06:38] <MythbuntuGuest20> just under default
[06:39] <MythbuntuGuest20> does my backend need video drivers installed?
[06:39] <MythbuntuGuest20> or do i need to enable any of these codecs?
[06:40] <MythbuntuGuest20> ffmpeg seems kind of crucial
[06:41] <MythbuntuGuest20> hauppauge pvr-150
[06:42] <hads> Naw, a 150 encodes mpeg by itself and mythtv has it's own copy off ffmpeg built in.
[06:42] <hads> And you will only need video drivers if you want to run a frontend.
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest20> so all seems like it should work
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest20> under storage directories > live tv, do i need to have anything in there? there are no directories in that.
[06:44] <hads> If there's nothing there it will just use the default.
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest20> damn
[06:45] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest20: Please watch your language.
[06:54] <drfoz> can anybody help me with mythvodka?
[09:05] <Nixon> hey, whoever told showed me the command line to ddrescue thank you it works like a charm, I don't know what I was doing before, but now I can rip my dvd's off to my backend
[10:09] <ak2534> So, does anyone know how frequently and by what criterias the mythbuntu bugreports are being handled?
[10:09] <ak2534> I have bug #303549 still untouched even though it was created 2008-11-29
[10:09] <Zinn> Bug 303549 in mythbuntu "Technisat Cablestar 2 PCI support dropped in Mythbuntu 8.10" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/303549
[15:51] <Enox> Anyone have a guess what "Screens found, but none have usable configuration" might be with the NV driver?
[15:57] <Antharian> Good morning all...
[15:58] <somatorio> morning
[15:59] <superm1> Enox, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log*
[15:59] <Enox> superm1- Okay, lemme boot it up and check that file.
[15:59] <Antharian> Has anyone played with booting two separate platforms from tftp and mythbuntu?  I would like to optimize the kernel for my amd64 frontends and my VIA cpu front ends.
[16:00] <Antharian> I can't seem to find any unique pxe substrings to tell what cpu each platform is... any ideas?
[16:02] <superm1> Enox, it's two files, that's why i left the *
[16:02] <superm1> it might be the .old version or the current version
[16:02] <Enox> Anything in particular I'm looking for?
[16:03] <Enox> Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device PCI:1:0:0
[16:03] <Enox> (EE) Screen9s) found, but none have usable configuration.
[16:05] <Enox> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corpriation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)
[16:05] <superm1> Enox, nothing more detailed on there?
[16:06] <Enox> Lemme stuff it on a webpage :)  1 sec
[16:06] <superm1> i'll be back in a bit, so i'll take a look then. just leave the link herre
[16:08] <Enox> http://www.l93.com/tmp/Xorg.0.log.old.txt
[16:08] <Enox> ^^ Try that :0
[16:10] <Antharian> does anyone know how to grab the vendor-class-identifier during the PXE boot process?
[16:11] <Enox> superm1- Any insights?
[16:21] <superm1> Enox, try to modprobe nvidia and see if you can
[16:22] <Enox> Done.
[16:22] <superm1> no problemds
[16:22] <Enox> lsmod -> nvidia 6909268 0
[16:22] <superm1> and dmesg shows no errors?
[16:22] <superm1> hm
[16:22] <Enox> Lemme check
[16:23] <superm1> whats xorg.conf look like?
[16:23] <Enox> I rmmmod'd it
[16:23] <Enox> Then modprobed it again
[16:23] <Enox> Got NVRM: Loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 177.82
[16:24] <superm1> yeah that's fine
[16:24] <Enox> Looks like: http://www.L93.com/tmp/xorg.conf.txt
[16:24] <Enox> I'm rather glad networking works ;)
[16:25] <superm1> yeah pretty straightforward
[16:25] <superm1> so walk through this then: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.82/README/chapter-08.html
[16:26] <superm1> that's what they are referring to
[16:29] <Enox> superm1- None of the problems listed on that page seem to be similar to mine.
[16:29] <superm1> tge first one?
[16:32] <Enox> superm1- "...does not appear to be receiving interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device" ?
[16:32] <Enox> Grepping for interrupt produces no results
[16:34] <Enox> superm1- I've read each of the problems, none come close to matching my no screens error.
[16:37] <Enox> I haven't had problems with X in years.
[16:38] <Enox> Is it better to just install myth on a normal distribution or something?
[16:39]  * Antharian fights with dhcpd and vendor-class-identification
[16:39]  * Antharian loses
[16:39] <Enox> Am I required to select screen resolutions anywhere during setup?  It almost seems like it doesn't know which resolution to pick.
[16:40] <Antharian> Enox: what is your output device (monitor/tv) hdmi/dsub/dvi
[16:40] <Enox> It's a normal DVI computer montir.  Syncmaster 225BW
[16:41] <Antharian> any chance the EDID is not being detected correctly?
[16:41] <Enox> The 8400GS card(silent) has DVI & VGA outputs.
[16:41] <Enox> What's EDID? :)
[16:41] <Antharian> Extended display identificatin data
[16:41] <Antharian> basically is is what eliminates all the old ModeLine bits.
[16:41] <Enox> It's a relatively new monitor
[16:41] <Enox> I've used it with an older version of Ubuntu on another computer with no problems.
[16:42] <Enox> A much older version of Ubuntu :)
[16:42] <Antharian> Mine is too... but I had issues with it and had to drop back to a modeline command to get it to work
[16:42] <Enox> Any way to test EDID ?
[16:42] <Antharian> when I upgraded to newer nVidia drivers, this problem came around
[16:42] <Antharian> care to try my xorg.conf?
[16:42] <Antharian> is your monitor capable of 1920x1080?
[16:42] <Enox> Sure
[16:42] <Enox> Hmm
[16:42] <Enox> Lemme check
[16:43] <Enox> 1680x1050
[16:43] <Enox> That's maximum & native.
[16:43] <Antharian> hmmm... my xorg.conf may not work... you need to find the video timings for your specific monitor
[16:43] <Enox> I figured for testing I'd set up Myth to work with a normal computer monitor and over the air signal
[16:44] <Antharian> how familiar are you with the xorg.conf layout?
[16:44] <Enox> I haven't had problems with X in like.. 8 years..So I haven't really done anything with it in that time.
[16:44] <Enox> It's all worked pretty magically.
[16:44] <Antharian> Essentially there are two lines to add to the xorg.conf
[16:44] <Antharian> 1 - in the "Monitor" section
[16:45] <Antharian> 2 - in the "Screen" sections
[16:45] <Antharian> in the monitor section: ModeLine "1920x1080" 148.35 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +HSync +VSync
[16:46] <Antharian> in the "Screen" section:     SubSection     "Display"
[16:46] <Antharian>         Depth       24
[16:46] <Antharian>         Modes       "1920x1080"
[16:46] <Antharian>     EndSubSection
[16:46] <Enox> If I remember correctly the sync values have to be specific to my monitor, right?
[16:46] <Antharian> yes.
[16:46] <Enox> Lemme do some web searches and see
[16:46] <Antharian> so doing a google search on modeline and your monitor name may yield some good results
[16:46] <Enox> Does myth have to run at any other resultion besides 1680x1024 ?
[16:46] <Antharian> nope
[16:46] <Antharian> it will scale itself correctly
[16:47] <Enox> Ahh cool.
[16:47] <Antharian> what is the exact make/model?  I don't mind doing a bit of googling while I hope for someone to come up with PXE boot solutions for me ;)
[16:48] <Enox> Syncmaster 225BW.  I found a page that suggests it may have higher than 1680..But newegg says 1680 so I'm trying to see which is correct.
[16:49] <Antharian> modeline  "1680x1050@60" 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 -hsync +vsync
[16:49] <Antharian> is that the one you found as well?
[16:49] <Enox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174&page=63
[16:49] <Enox> I found that but I think it's wrong.
[16:49] <Enox> At least.. the 1920x part is wrong.
[16:49] <Enox> Can LCDs be damaged by driving them at the wrong hsync/vsync ?
[16:50] <Enox> I remember CRTs could be
[16:50] <Antharian> I can't speak for your milage, but I know as I tweak mine and get things wrong, the display just tells me invalid signal
[16:51] <Enox> Okay I added the montiro section
[16:51] <Enox> ...monitor section lines.
[16:52] <Antharian> then in the subsection for display inside the "screen" add the "Modes "1680x1050@60" line.
[16:53] <Antharian> or as many of the modes you are willing to add into the system.
[16:53] <Enox> What's the easiest way to try out the new config?
[16:53] <Antharian> Cntrl-Alt-Backspace
[16:54] <Enox> Oh wow
[16:54] <Enox> I think it's working. :)
[16:54] <Antharian> cool...
[16:55] <Enox> I connected my HVR-1600 to a antinnea for testing
[16:55] <Antharian> now fix my PXE boot question ... :-O
[16:55] <Antharian> ;)
[16:55] <Enox> This seems like a reasonable way to test right?
[16:55] <Antharian> sure
[16:55] <Antharian> you may even try the 1920x1080 settings
[16:55] <Antharian> see what you get
[16:56] <Enox> X config files sure have gotten simpler over the years
[16:56] <Enox> Last time I messed with one it was...much larger.
[16:56] <Antharian> well, they still can be... depends on how new the hardware you have is.
[16:56] <Enox> Newer is better or worse? ;)
[16:56] <Antharian> haha... 6 of one half a dozen of the other
[16:57] <Antharian> :-!freaking PXE
[16:57] <Enox> Should it say stuff about VESA in my Xorg.log ?
[16:58] <Enox> Ahh.. I think I'm not using the nvidia driver, lemme try and reboot.
[16:58] <Antharian> hmmm? maybe... there are VESA standards for screen blanking and such
[16:58] <Antharian> there also may be a few extra tweaks for the card itself
[16:58] <Enox> I'm able to rmmod nvidia (lol)
[16:58] <Enox> Lemme try a reboot
[16:59] <Antharian> in your "Screen" section make sure that the Device specified is the same one that loads the "nvidia" driver
[16:59] <Antharian>  Driver         "nvidia"
[16:59] <Enox> Does x64 myth work just as well as x32 by the way?
[16:59] <Antharian>     VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[16:59] <Antharian>     Option         "UseEDIDFreqs" "FALSE"
[16:59] <Antharian>     Option         "UseEDIDDpi"   "FALSE"
[16:59] <Antharian>     Option         "ModeValidation" "NoEdidModes"
[16:59] <Antharian>     Option         "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "TRUE"
[17:00] <Antharian>     Option         "AllowDDCCI" "FALSE"
[17:00] <Antharian>     Option         "UseEDIDFreqs" "FALSE"
[17:00] <Antharian>     Option         "ModeValidation" "NoVesaModes, NoDFPNativeResolutionCheck, NoVirtualSizeCheck, NoPredefinedModes"
[17:00] <Antharian> yup
[17:00] <Enox> A few years ago some codecs didn't work with 64-bit..Musta fixed that.  It was just with xine.
[17:00] <Antharian> that's what I've been using for over 6 months now and have been quite happy with it
[17:00] <Enox> Hmm, problem parsing the config file
[17:00] <Enox> Lemme see what I messed up
[17:02] <Antharian> Are there any tools in Mythbuntu to look at the detailed logs of DHCP?  I need to see what the vendor-class-identifier is reporting back from my diskless stations.
[17:03] <Enox> It's saying Modes isn't a valid thing to have in Section "Screen"
[17:04] <Antharian> it's not in the screen section
[17:04] <Antharian> it will be in the subsection "Display"
[17:04] <Enox> Ahh.. so I have to add a totally new section
[17:04] <Enox> Or is it a subsection of Screen?
[17:04] <Antharian> right subsection of screen
[17:04] <Antharian> id:
[17:05] <Antharian> err: ie
[17:05] <Antharian> Section "Screen"
[17:05] <Antharian>     Identifier     "Screen0"
[17:05] <Antharian>     Device         "Device0"
[17:05] <Antharian>     Monitor        "Monitor0"
[17:05] <Antharian>     DefaultDepth    24
[17:05] <Antharian>     SubSection     "Display"
[17:05] <Antharian>         Depth       24
[17:05] <Antharian>         Modes       "1920x1080"
[17:05] <Antharian>     EndSubSection
[17:05] <Antharian> EndSection
[17:05] <Antharian> make sense?
[17:05] <Enox> Got it, lemme give it a spin.
[17:05] <Antharian> Make sure the Device pointed to (in my case, Device0) points to the nVidia driver section
[17:06] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[17:07] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin | Antharian
[17:07] <Zinn> Antharian: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[17:07] <Antharian> tgm: sorry
[17:07] <tgm4883_laptop> np, future reference
[17:08] <dman> anyone know if there's a problem w/myth running w/ an old nvidia 280 sd card
[17:08] <dman> I've heard of conflicts
[17:10] <Enox> Sigh.  Same screens problem.
[17:11] <Enox> How hard is it to install Myth onto a normal linux distribution?
[17:11] <Antharian> Enox: there may be other options still missing
[17:12] <Enox> I feel pretty confident I can install a normal linux dist and X will work..Just wondering if the subsequent Myth install would be harder or easier than this X stuff.
[17:12] <Antharian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d55268a37
[17:12] <Antharian> 50/50
[17:13] <Antharian> the updates are definitely nice to have with mythbuntu... if you can stick with that, over all you will be much happier.
[17:13] <Enox> Hmm
[17:13] <Enox> I just can't believe X doesn't work.
[17:14] <Antharian> Yeah, mine is specific to this LCD.  If I move it to my JVC or my Sony, all is good.
[17:14] <Antharian> have you tried a newer driver?
[17:14] <Enox> Nope
[17:14] <Enox> Is one hard to install?
[17:14] <Antharian> SUPER Easy
[17:14] <Antharian> what is your card again?
[17:15] <Antharian> 8400?
[17:15] <Enox> Vidia 8400GS
[17:15] <Enox> Sorry NVidia :)
[17:15] <Antharian> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_180.22.html
[17:22] <Enox> How can I kill off X so i can run the NVIDIA thing?
[17:22] <Antharian> alt-ctl-f1
[17:22] <Antharian> log in
[17:22] <Antharian> become root
[17:23] <Antharian> sudo su -
[17:23] <Enox> I did that so far :)
[17:23] <Antharian> runlevel 1
[17:23] <Antharian> or runlevel S
[17:23] <Enox> Aha
[17:23] <Enox> Runlevel command doesn't work
[17:23] <Enox> says "unknown"
[17:24] <Antharian> oops lied to you
[17:24] <Antharian> sorry
[17:25] <Enox> Tried init 1
[17:26] <Enox> Well that failed.
[17:26] <Enox> What's the X process called?  It isn't X.
[17:26] <Enox> I can just killall it
[17:26] <Antharian> init 1
[17:27] <Enox> That brought X up, somehow.
[17:27] <Antharian> not, gdm will just restart it
[17:27] <Enox> And my CA-F1 stuff just goes to messed up screens now
[17:27] <Antharian> you can also do
[17:27] <Enox> So i can kill gdm ?
[17:27] <Antharian>  /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:28] <Enox> I'll try that after the reboot.  init 1 did bad bad things
[17:28] <Antharian> you may have to ssh into the box
[17:34] <Enox> killall xinit works ;)
[17:38] <Enox> Now it's saying there's no valid nvidia GPU on the system . . .
[17:39] <Antharian> did you already reboot after the driver install?
[17:39] <Enox> Out of curiosity.. Is there a reason I can't 'watch TV' with the limited graphics?
[17:39] <Enox> Resolution & such seem fine.
[17:39] <Antharian> I think the XVideo extensions are not available with the VESA driver.  it would probably be pretty poor quality... but who knows.
[17:40] <Enox> It doesn't do anything when I do watch TV
[17:40] <Enox> The CPu is pretty good and such, shouldn't need the acceleration from vcard.
[17:41] <Antharian> I have a AMD X2 Dual Core 4000+ in mine and watching it without XVideo extentions is not possible.
[17:41] <Antharian> if your CPU is stronger, then perhaps you will have good luck.
[17:42] <Enox> I'd just kinda like see..something. :)
[17:42] <Enox> Any guess why watchtv doesn't do anything at all?
[17:42] <Antharian> did you set up and recognize your tv card?
[17:42] <Antharian> then scan for channels?
[17:42] <Enox> I didn't scan for channels
[17:43] <Enox> Maybe I need to do that.
[17:43] <Antharian> that would do it
[17:45] <Enox> How does one scan for channels? :)
[17:49] <Antharian> mythtv-setup
[17:49] <Antharian> external program
[17:49] <Enox> Ahh cool.  Was looking around in the frontend.
[17:52] <Enox> 1General 2Capture Cards 3Video Sources 4Input sconnections 5Channel Editor 6Storage Directories
[17:52] <Antharian> probably need to go through all of them at some point or another
[17:53] <Antharian> but typically going in order is best
[17:53] <Enox> I have.. My capture card is in ther and such
[17:53] <Enox> I just dont see a 'scan' option
[17:53] <Enox> There's a channel editor..But it seems to want to add individual channels
[17:54] <Antharian> hang on...
[17:56] <Shadow__X> did you do number 3
[17:56] <Shadow__X> you have to for channels
[17:56] <Enox> Yes.. schedulesdirect is in there
[17:56] <Shadow__X> what type of course is it
[17:57] <Enox> Listings Grabber:  North America (schedulesdirect.org) (Internal)
[17:57] <Enox> No data direct lineup selected
[17:57] <Enox> Oh wait.. perform EIT scan?
[17:58] <Enox> Do I need a lineup selected?
[17:59] <Shadow__X> what type of tuner do you have
[17:59] <Enox> HVR-1600
[17:59] <Enox> Connected to an analog antinnea for now
[17:59] <Shadow__X> there we go
[18:00] <Shadow__X> alright so dd you goto schedules direct and pay for the service
[18:00] <Enox> I haven't paid.. I'm on my 7 day trial
[18:00] <Shadow__X> also you know in a month there wont be any analog service if you are in the use
[18:00] <Enox> But I have an account and such
[18:00] <Enox> Yes, I'm aware.
[18:00] <Shadow__X> you couild t ry scanning atsc with that antenna
[18:00] <Enox> I'm sure I'll connect Myth to cable by then.. I just figured this would be simpler for now.
[18:00] <Enox> How do I scan atsc?
[18:01] <tgm4883_laptop> um, you will need an atsc antenna
[18:01] <tgm4883_laptop> a digital antenna
[18:01] <Shadow__X> well you take the cable forom the antenna and move it from the analog input on the 1600 to the digital one
[18:01] <Enox> One can't scan analog?
[18:02] <Shadow__X> tgm4883_laptop, i thought you just need a uhf and vhf antenna
[18:02] <Shadow__X> i used one of those and atsc worked fine
[18:02] <Enox> Ahh.. so an analog antinnea works fine for digital?
[18:02] <Shadow__X> i even got fm
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> he asked how to scan atsc
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> which is digital OTA
[18:02] <Enox> I just want to watch anything
[18:02] <Shadow__X> Enox, yeah the antenna doesnt change you just need a digital tuner
[18:02] <Enox> Ahh okay I have a digital tuner
[18:03] <Shadow__X> Enox if you area has atsc then you should be able to see it
[18:03] <Enox> Okay.. so I switched the connection
[18:03] <Enox> But I'm back to how do I scan?
[18:03] <Shadow__X> in video source did you create a new one
[18:03] <superm1> Shadow__X, most cable providers are still providing analog at least tho
[18:04] <Enox> Okay I'll create a new one.
[18:04] <Shadow__X> superm1, so would you suggest he try analog first
[18:04] <superm1> i've not ready of the conversation
[18:04] <superm1> i just saw that one line that analog goes away in a month
[18:04] <superm1> so i wanted to throw that bit in :)
[18:04] <Shadow__X> ah yes
[18:05] <Shadow__X> wwell i like how all the commercials are trying to scare people
[18:05] <Shadow__X> its only broadcast
[18:05] <Enox> So what am I supposed to put for channel frequency table?
[18:05] <Shadow__X> you can put default
[18:05] <Shadow__X> or us broadcast
[18:05] <Enox> Okay.. That's what I had in there
[18:05] <Enox> is data direct lineup required?
[18:05] <superm1> Shadow__X, i imagine cable providers will eventually switch too - that's a lot of extra bandwidth for them.  i'm just hoping that when they do, they opt to open the digital up more rather than enforce a requirement for boxes
[18:06] <Enox> I'll probably subscribe to Brighthouse cable because they have clear QAM(i heard)
[18:06] <Shadow__X> superm1, well if comcast taught me something is that it will give alot of qam then slowy take it away
[18:06] <superm1> Shadow__X, haha. that's too bad
[18:06] <superm1> like a tease
[18:06] <Shadow__X> yeah superm1 i was all excited to get qam and then
[18:06] <Shadow__X> nope
[18:07] <Shadow__X> sorry buddy i tricked you
[18:07] <Enox> My video source has no data direct lineup, default freq table
[18:07] <Enox> I'm still back to not know how to scan anything
[18:07] <Shadow__X> Enox what is the 4th menu
[18:07] <superm1> Shadow__X, did you call and complain to get it back?
[18:07] <Enox> 4. Input connections
[18:07] <Shadow__X> superm1, i am going to today they also took away nbc hd and abc hd
[18:07] <Shadow__X> assholes
[18:08] <Enox> I have: V4L /dev/video0 Tuner 1 / S-Video 1 / Composite 1 / SVideo 2/Compsosite 2
[18:08] <superm1> wow that's rough
[18:08] <superm1> !language | Shadow__X
[18:08] <Zinn> Shadow__X: Please follow the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and watch your language.  You can find more information here: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[18:08] <superm1> btw
[18:08] <Enox> Aha
[18:08] <Enox> I need to set video source
[18:08] <Shadow__X> Enox the hvr 1600 is mpeg encoder so no v4l only mpeg
[18:08] <Enox> And then scan :)
[18:08] <Shadow__X> also Enox you need to use the digital side
[18:08] <Enox> So I shouldn't be using V4L ?
[18:08] <Shadow__X> no
[18:09] <Enox> I'm not sure how to use anything else..
[18:09] <Shadow__X> its a mpeg encoder like the 150s
[18:09] <Enox> It's finding channels I think :)
[18:09] <Shadow__X> in step 2 make a dvb tuner
[18:09] <Enox> It has a mpeg encoder.
[18:09] <Shadow__X> superm1, yeah i know just am angry at comcast they alsocreated a 250 gb downoad cap
[18:10] <superm1> maybe time to switch to uverse at that point
[18:10] <superm1> or fios (if either is available for you)
[18:11] <Enox> Watch TV goes to a black screen
[18:12] <Enox> Which is an improvement...sorta.
[18:15] <Shadow__X> Enox did you scan for channels
[18:16] <Shadow__X> superm1, yeah except fios isnt avaiable around me yet
[18:16] <Shadow__X> and its not all that bad i can record over firewire on certain channels on my box
[18:16] <Enox> I changed to DVB now re-scanning channels
[18:16] <Enox> I'm getting nothing at all so far.
[18:16] <Enox> I got some things when I was V4L.
[18:16] <Shadow__X> are you scanning us broadcast
[18:16] <Enox> deafult
[18:16] <Shadow__X> and terrestial
[18:16] <Enox> default, that is
[18:16] <Enox> I'll try us-broadcast.
[18:17] <Enox> Scan on default found nothing
[18:17] <Shadow__X> use us broadcast and under scan select the terrestial or w/e
[18:17] <Shadow__X> also dontselect v4l
[18:17] <Shadow__X> use mpeg
[18:18] <Enox> I select DVB
[18:18] <Enox> So I should use mpeg ?
[18:18] <Enox> Scan is producing nothing again.
[18:18] <Shadow__X> Enox there are 2 tuners on the 1600
[18:19] <Enox> Yes
[18:19] <Enox> It's scanning ATSC channels
[18:19] <Shadow__X> one is analog a mpeg encoder one is digital dvb
[18:19] <Shadow__X> thats what i am saying
[18:19] <Shadow__X> ok good scan away
[18:19] <Enox> My ancient antinnea is connected to the digital side(it's longer)
[18:19] <Shadow__X> alright
[18:19] <Enox> Absolutely no signals
[18:20] <Shadow__X> whats your general area i am pretty sure there is a antenna website
[18:20] <Shadow__X> also try o the analog side
[18:20] <Enox> I got some stuff on the analog side..I think I'll go back to that.
[18:21] <Enox> Do i need to select UHF or VHF or anything?
[18:21] <Enox> The antineea has a selection
[18:21] <Shadow__X> oh you cant  do both
[18:21] <Shadow__X> ?
[18:21] <Enox> Apparently not :)
[18:21] <Shadow__X> hmm well i dont really know the complete answer to that
[18:21] <Enox> I'll just switch back to analog
[18:21] <Enox> I got signals there
[18:22] <Shadow__X> yeah
[18:22] <Shadow__X> do that
[18:22] <Enox> I just want to watch _something_ before I go struggle with why X isn't work.
[18:22] <Shadow__X> what provider do you have
[18:22] <Enox> This is OTA
[18:22] <Enox> I have directTV as well but I'm not messing with that yet.
[18:22] <Enox> If I can watch pretty much anything it'll be encouraging ;)
[18:23] <Shadow__X> yeah
[18:24] <Enox> Okay for analog.. I want MJpeg capture card or  mpeg-2 encoder card?
[18:24] <Enox> mpeg-2 encoder card fails to probe
[18:24] <Shadow__X> mpeg2
[18:24] <Shadow__X> you need to enter thec ards location
[18:24] <Shadow__X> how many tunder cards do you have
[18:24] <Enox> HVR-1600 has a analog & digital..so 2
[18:25] <Enox> I got it to prove by specifying /dev/video0
[18:25] <Enox> probe, that is
[18:25] <Shadow__X> mhm
[18:25] <Enox> Yay it's finding channels.
[18:31] <Enox> Any guesses why Watch TV goes to a black screen for 30 seconds then returns to the menu?
[18:31] <Enox> It doesn't seem to give me a channel seletion ability
[18:31] <tgm4883_laptop> Enox, logs
[18:32] <Enox> What file do I look in?
[18:32] <tgm4883_laptop> !logs
[18:32] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu or via command line to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest20> I have an issue with Mythstream, trying to set it up in mythfront end, it just exits out to the Desktop when I select it.  The only thing I notice is that it does not have a graphic icon like the other selections.
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest20> ihave 8.10
[18:34] <Enox> RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/records/1003-2009108133039.mpg) Invalid file (fd-1) while opening
[18:34] <Enox> That looks like what's going on.
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> Enox, post the logs to pastebin
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> Enox, if you use mythbuntu-log-grabber it will just give you the link you need to post to us
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest20, same thing to you
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> But I gotta run, so hopefully someone use can help out
[18:38] <MythbuntuGuest20> when you going to be back tgm?
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> hours later
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> depends on how long this job takes
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest20> gotcha, well if no one helps me i'll come back for you cuz your l33t
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest20> :)
[18:39] <Enox> qtgm4883_laptop- http://www.L93.com/tmp/mythfrontend.log.txt
[18:42] <MythbuntuGuest20> i think he's gone Enox
[18:42] <Enox> Oops.. Try without .txt.. Just use .log
[18:42] <Enox> I forgot to add the .txt and apparently it wasn't required anyway
[18:43] <MythbuntuGuest20> Ya but Enox isnt he gone?l....Unless someone else is looking at your logz?
[18:43] <Enox> Oh..crap.
[18:43] <Enox> I tried to select hardware that would be easy with Myth..I dont know why this is so difficult to get working.
[18:43] <MythbuntuGuest20> what?
[18:44] <MythbuntuGuest20> oh
[18:44] <MythbuntuGuest20> It is way eaiser with mythbuntu
[18:44] <Enox> I have mythbuntu.. My nvidia video driver wont work, live tv wont work.
[18:44] <MythbuntuGuest20> as long as you have compable hardware it shold work
[18:45] <Enox> I have a nvidia card, I have a HVR-1600 card.
[18:45] <Shadow__X> Enox, what video card do you have
[18:45] <Enox> Those seemed to be well supported
[18:45] <Shadow__X> Enox, it would be easy aslong as someone does some reading
[18:45] <Shadow__X> :)
[18:45] <Enox> GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)
[18:45] <Enox> Shadow- The X problems seem to be quite strange.
[18:45] <Shadow__X> Enox, what x problem
[18:45] <Enox> I've set up quite a few Linux system.. I literally haven't had this kind of issues with X for over 8 years.
[18:46] <Enox> NVidia driver fails to work.
[18:46] <MythbuntuGuest20> Is it correct driver?
[18:46] <Shadow__X> i just got something like that too install the nvidia setting manager
[18:46] <Enox> The version coming with Myth said there were screens available but none were compatible
[18:46] <Enox> The newest version said I dont have a compatible card
[18:46] <Shadow__X> hmm
[18:46] <Shadow__X> lol
[18:46] <Shadow__X> interesting
[18:46] <Enox> The compatible card is...very strange.
[18:46] <MythbuntuGuest20> ya beatz me
[18:46] <Enox> I mean it's a cheap card.. Silent and such.
[18:46] <Shadow__X> that doesnt sound right
[18:47] <Enox> Funny thing is dmesg shows the card :)
[18:47] <Enox> before messing with the messed up x problems
[18:47] <Enox> I just wanted to watch something on TV to encourage me.
[18:47] <Enox> And even that fails.
[18:47] <Enox> Though I did at least get it to scan channels.
[18:47] <Shadow__X> Enox install the nvidia setting manager
[18:48] <Enox> That from nvidia's site?
[18:48] <superm1> apt-get install nvidia-settings
[18:49] <Enox> Already have it
[18:49] <Enox> Apparently it comes with and is installed by default.
[18:49] <Shadow__X> so goto it
[18:49] <Shadow__X> either in the xfce menu or type nvidia-settings
[18:50] <Enox> Ahh yes, I tried that before.
[18:50] <Enox> "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.."
[18:50] <Enox> Kinda a catch-22.. I can't get the NV X driver working
[18:50] <MythbuntuGuest20> would someone be able to help me with my ir blaster setup? It's probably an ID10T error. ;)
[18:50] <Enox> So i can't use that.
[18:50] <Shadow__X> do the command it tells you
[18:51] <Enox> k.  Did that as root
[18:51] <Enox> Lemme reboot
[18:51] <Shadow__X> you odnt need to reboot
[18:51] <Shadow__X> it tells you to restart x
[18:52] <Enox> When I tried restarting X it seemed to go into the 'low graphics' X I'm currently able to run
[18:52] <Enox> Using control-alt-backspace
[18:52] <Enox> This takes a little longer but at least I'm sure it's trying the right stuff
[18:52] <Shadow__X> hmm do a cold start
[18:52] <Enox> This is after a warm start---
[18:53] <Enox> (EE) NVIDIA(0) Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[18:53] <Enox> (EE) Screen9s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[18:53] <Enox> Back to the original error.
[18:53] <Enox> Said pleasure make sure there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system
[18:53] <Enox> And that the nvidia device files have been created properly.
[18:54] <Enox> If I can get watch TV to work I'll probably install normal ubuntu and see if X works on there
[18:54] <Enox> I can't imagine there being any problem with the hardware, to be honest.  It's a pretty simple system
[18:54] <ak2534> So anyone know how to get one mythbuntu bugreport some attention?
[18:56] <ak2534> This one has been lying around untouched since end of Nov.
[18:56] <ak2534> #303549
[18:57] <ak2534> mmm
[18:57] <ak2534> bug #303549
[18:57] <Enox> I think live TV might be somehow confused and trying to use the broken DVB thing.
[18:57] <Zinn> Bug 303549 in mythbuntu "Technisat Cablestar 2 PCI support dropped in Mythbuntu 8.10" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/303549
[18:57] <Shadow__X> Enox, you can take away the video source from dvd
[18:57] <Shadow__X> dvb*
[18:58] <Enox> So if no video source is configured to use it.. it shouldn't be used, right?
[18:58] <Enox> Ahh wait.. It's input connections
[18:59] <Shadow__X> mhm
[18:59] <Enox> Is there any way to kill off a single input connection?
[18:59] <Shadow__X> you can delete it in 2
[18:59] <Enox> I have "Delete all capture cards on myth1" and "Delete all capture cards
[19:00] <Enox> So i have to delete them all?
[19:00] <Enox> Eh watever.. killed em all
[19:04] <Enox> Livetv still fails, guess that wasn't it.
[19:05] <Enox> Backend error is MPEGREC(/dev/video0) Error: error reading from: /dev/video0
[19:06] <Enox> Maybe I specified the wrong device?
[19:06] <Shadow__X> could be
[19:07] <Enox> It detected a HVR-1600 when I specified /dev/video0
[19:07] <Enox> It just wasn't auto filled in for me like V4L and such
[19:07] <Shadow__X> did you select it as tuner
[19:07] <Shadow__X> and it it under mpeg2
[19:07] <Enox> MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)
[19:08] <Enox> Video device: /dev/video0
[19:08] <Enox> Probed info: Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18]
[19:08] <Enox> Default Input: Tuner 1
[19:08] <Shadow__X> yup
[19:09] <Enox> It of course fails utterly.
[19:10] <Shadow__X> look in the logs
[19:10] <Enox> Trying to look in the backend logs for any suggestion of what's going on
[19:11] <Enox> There's a "not ivtv driver???" line
[19:11] <Enox> Shortly after changing from None to WatchingliveTV
[19:12] <Shadow__X> how did you setup the 1600
[19:12] <Shadow__X> and is it a 1600 or a 1800
[19:12] <Enox> MPEGREC(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout -ivtv driver has stopped responding.
[19:12] <Enox> It's a 1600
[19:12] <Enox> I set it up as a MPEG2 encoder
[19:12] <Enox> Antinnea is connected to the analog side
[19:12] <Shadow__X> how did you install it
[19:12] <Enox> In a PCI slot?
[19:13] <Shadow__X> what version of mythbuntu are you running
[19:13] <Shadow__X> no software side
[19:13] <Enox> The latest stable version.. 8-something I think
[19:13] <Enox> I downloaded it last night
[19:13] <Shadow__X> 8.10?
[19:13] <Shadow__X> did you do all the updates
[19:13] <Enox> I believe so.. let me do a quick update and see
[19:14] <Enox> ntp & ntpdate want to update. :)
[19:14] <Enox> Now that they are done, no upgrades want to be done.
[19:16] <Enox> If I use V4L that just ruins mpeg acceleration, right?
[19:17] <Enox> I could try that and see if it does anything.
[19:17] <Enox> I just want to see anything work at this point.
[19:17] <Enox> Even if it's choppy.
[19:17] <Shadow__X> you can try but that wont deliver diserable results
[19:18] <Enox> It can't be worse :)
[19:20] <Enox> Is the HVR-1600 well supported?
[19:21] <Enox> I got the impression it was before buying it.
[19:24] <Shadow__X> its supported
[19:24] <Shadow__X> afew months ago it was beta drivers
[19:24] <Shadow__X> but i have been using it for months
[19:24] <Shadow__X> no issues
[19:27] <jduggan> guys, what's the minimum disk space mythbuntu frontend requires?
[19:27] <jduggan> ah site says 2gb
[19:28] <jduggan> hrm
[19:28] <jduggan> i want to isntall it onto a usb pen whichis exactly 2gb
[19:28] <jduggan> wonder how well that will work ;P
[19:32] <Enox> Shadow__X-Okay so... Is this just a case of me not knowing what I'm doing?  Because nothing seems to work.
[19:32] <Enox> X fails, live tv fails
[19:33] <Enox> Or at least the NV driver fails
[19:33] <Enox> I'll try a normal Linux distribution next to try and prove out the hardware
[19:36] <Shadow__X> yeah its a case of setting stuff up
[19:36] <Shadow__X> but  dont worry we all hit bumps along the road
[19:36] <Shadow__X> iwould help more but i am having an issue as well
[19:36] <Enox> I'd feel better if anything worked right..But it's 100% failure.
[19:37] <Enox> I'll toy with it a little then install normal linux on it and see if that fails.. if it does I'll feel better and return some hardware or something
[19:41] <Enox> On a side note.. The hauppauge remote that cane with my HVR-1600.. Is that supported under myth?  If so what's it called?  I didn't see anything similar on the list.
[19:48] <Shadow__X> i bought the one with the mce remote
[19:48] <Enox> Does it say Hauppauge! on the bottom?
[19:48] <Shadow__X> no
[19:49] <Shadow__X> its a windows mce remote
[19:49] <Enox> Ahh.. Oh well.  No idea what this thing is exactly then.
[19:50] <Enox> is there an easy way to tell if I should be using /dev/video0 or something else?
[19:51] <Enox> Actually nevermind.. Let me just go buy some blank CDs and try some other versions.
[20:05] <neothecat_> i hope this is not OT, but has anybody tried connecting a game console (e.g. ps2) a using it through mythtv?
[20:06] <superm1> neothecat_, likely wont be playable with any mpeg encoding tuner
[20:07] <superm1> if you have a framegrabber, it might be doable
[20:08] <neothecat_> i tried it using tvtime, and there is no lag, like i have read elsewhere, but it looks horribile.  everything is very fuzzy.
[20:11] <hads> Yeah it probably just not a good idea in general
[20:12] <neothecat_> guess i should have researched this first.  the only reason i bought the card was to use my ps2 through my desktop.  thanks for the help...
[20:24] <dman> on install of myth, should I change the mysql5 password, or leave blank?
[20:25] <dman> eh, left it blank
[20:28] <dman> can you leave it blank, or is it required to change?
[20:28] <dman> b/c it looks like the install is stalled on the password portion for Mysql
[20:29] <dman> looks like the install crashed - arghhh
[20:48] <dman> anyone have any idea why I can't (after install) get into mythtv etc - it won't run at all
[20:48] <dman> won't even killall
[20:49] <dman> killall mythtv is correct ya?
[20:58] <hads> mythtv isn't the application (sortof), I would guess you are after mythbackend or mythfrontend, and on Ubuntu mythbackend.real or mythfrontend.real
[21:11] <mustangg> Hello folks. Can anyone provide a definitive reason for the following error while dvd ripping:  "DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error"
[21:14] <mustangg> I think Ie managed to rule out in-thread solutions ->permissions, permission, defective drive and copy-protection.
[21:28] <jphillip> mustangg I'd say copy protection
[21:28] <jphillip> or damaged disc
[21:31] <mustangg> jphillip: think you may have it. I _just_  finished changing the  drive to a brand new one and the same situation. but after about 10 other dvdś - it works now..
[21:32] <mustangg> I was just sure I had retried one of the discs which gave those errors.. :(
[21:34] <mustangg>  jphillip: is there something I can do about it?
[21:35] <jphillip> well different drives can read different data sometimes
[21:35] <jphillip> used to be refered to as sheeps back a few years ago, dunno if its the same now
[21:35] <jphillip> mustangg don't use the internal ripper for that, let me recommend gddrescue
[21:36] <jphillip> runs from a terminal: ddrescue /dev/dvd/ <iso file> <log file>
[21:40] <dollop> Does mythbuntu have better support for displaying to HDTVs than plain ubuntu? I'm having trouble getting a consistent signal to the TV.
[21:45] <laga> dollop: should be about the same.
[21:49] <dollop> Any advice on where to find a solution?  I only get a signal through DVI to TV if the monitor is connected to VGA also.
[21:50] <dollop> *VGA connected at startup
[21:53] <jphillip> dollop prob your TV not doing EDID nicely
[21:53] <jphillip> I have one that does and one that doesn't
[21:57] <dollop> Sounds likely - It goes through an AV receiver on the way.  I'll check connected direct to TV.  Can I override that requirement through xorg.conf?
[21:58] <perilousapricot> is there a wiki on how to make the transcoding work? from a stock 8.10 install, it doesn't :(
[22:00] <perilousapricot> it's like the defaults are configured, but kinda aren't
[22:10] <mustangg> jphillip: from reading about that tool on debian.net it sounds like quite the jaws-of-life for computer media
[22:12] <mustangg> is there any way to integrate it into myth - mytharchive sounds like a good place for it..
[22:22] <Shadow__X> perilousapricot, under setup change the default trancoding profiles
[22:23] <perilousapricot> shadow_x I see the place, but I don't understand what any of the options mean
[22:23] <perilousapricot> are there reasonable defaults somewhere I could just plug in?
[22:24] <Shadow__X> perilousapricot, dont use rtjpeg
[22:25] <Shadow__X> use mpeg4 for al of them
[22:28] <perilousapricot> crap, now I can't find it, where is the config for the transcoder?
[22:29] <Shadow__X> within mythfrontned
[22:29] <Shadow__X> you should also read the manual
[22:31] <perilousapricot> shadow__x, I'd like to help out and put in some sensible defaults that work without futzing with that, would I look to submit a patch to mythbuntu or upstream?
[22:31] <Shadow__X> uh dont know
[22:31] <Shadow__X> that should be mythbuntu
[22:32] <perilousapricot> I think it'd be helpful to at least have the packages installed that the default myth transcode profiles need
[22:32] <Shadow__X> i believe rtjpeg isnt preferable
[22:33] <Shadow__X> i dont see aything wrong with the end user needed to read a bit and learn about what they are setting up
[22:33] <Shadow__X> i understand for ease of use though
[22:34] <perilousapricot> shadow__x I see what you're saying about reading up on things, but I don't think it's unrealistic to make sure the defaults actually.. work
[22:35] <Shadow__X> heh
[22:35] <Shadow__X> i guess
[22:35] <Shadow__X> it is ubuntu
[22:35] <perilousapricot> definately
[22:35] <Shadow__X> it should just work right
[22:35] <Shadow__X> eh
[22:35] <perilousapricot> i mean, if you're making a liveCD out of it, I'd think you'd want it to work with the least configuration possible
[22:35] <Shadow__X> you can use the livecd as a frontend
[22:35] <Shadow__X> not a backend
[22:35] <perilousapricot> right, but you get what i'm stabbing at
[22:36] <Shadow__X> yeah
[22:36] <Shadow__X> shouldnt be a bad patch
[22:37] <perilousapricot> I'm torn about upgrading to myth 0.22
[22:37] <superm1> perilousapricot, if you've got a card that support vdpau, i just tried vdpau, it's nice :)
[22:38] <Antharian> what benefits does .22 give over 21+fixes?
[22:38] <perilousapricot> superml: did you hear me asking in #mythtv-users
[22:38] <superm1> perilousapricot, for most patches, submit them upstream directly and then ask us to pull it back after upstream accepts it
[22:38] <superm1> perilousapricot, no just above i saw you asking
[22:38] <superm1> Antharian, QT4 based and vdpau are the two big things i see
[22:38] <perilousapricot> superml: cool, I'm gonna put in a couple different mpeg defaults and maybe a couple h.264
[22:39] <Antharian> vdpau in myth, not must mplayer?
[22:39] <perilousapricot> looking at the screen shots, it seems slicker overall
[22:39] <superm1> Antharian, yup it's in myth 0.22
[22:39] <superm1> on our trunk builds repo
[22:39] <Antharian> that's kinda sweet
[22:39] <perilousapricot> looks like I'm gonna be hunting for a geforce 9000 in AGP
[22:39] <perilousapricot> ...
[22:39] <Shadow__X> superm1, is it worth upgrading to that yet
[22:39] <perilousapricot> it's 9000+, right? not 8000+?
[22:39] <Shadow__X> overall
[22:39] <superm1> perilousapricot, actually some 8k cards too
[22:40] <Shadow__X> i read the wiki it should support 80000
[22:40] <Shadow__X> would that work on a 8400
[22:40] <superm1> Shadow__X, i'm not upgrading my production setup yet
[22:40] <Shadow__X> lol
[22:40] <Shadow__X> ah alright
[22:40] <Shadow__X> just testing
[22:40] <superm1> Shadow__X, i just experimented on a laptop of mine with a 9xxx card
[22:40] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[22:40] <Antharian> Is there any hope of AMDXvBA in myth 0.22?
[22:40] <Shadow__X> look at mister money bags
[22:41] <superm1> Shadow__X, it's a work computer
[22:41] <Shadow__X> i am kidding
[22:41] <superm1> Antharian, not likely.  AMD hasn't published an API yet
[22:41] <Shadow__X> i need a new laptop myself
[22:41] <Shadow__X> current one has a ati x1400:(
[22:42] <Antharian> Shadow_X: you got me beat by a land slide... mine has an ATI Mobility Radeon 9200
[22:42] <Shadow__X> its also a c2d
[22:42] <Shadow__X> ol
[22:43] <perilousapricot> mythbuntu 9.04 will be 0.22? or wil it miss the cycle?
[22:43] <laga> perilousapricot: we don't know yet. don't bet on it
[22:44] <Antharian> anyone know if this Motherboard will support VDPAU : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131355
[22:45] <perilousapricot> I might just bone my box and upgrade to 0.22, it's the beginning of the semester, having TV that works is the last thing I need
[22:50] <mustangg> jphillip: do you know what size the gddrescue output file should be typically ?
[22:51] <perilousapricot> hmm, are all geforce 8400's compatible with vdpau? I found one on newegg for $50, and I have some credit leftover with them I don't mind burning
[22:54] <Shadow__X> Antharian, its 8000 series
[22:56] <Antharian> so only the 8x series will have VDPAU?
[22:56] <Shadow__X> and up
[23:00] <MythbuntuGuest33> hey,p4 2.0ghz 512mb wintv go plus, soundblaster, etc.
[23:00] <MythbuntuGuest33> currently 8500dv -no luck b/c no driver support
[23:00] <MythbuntuGuest33> so i give up after many hours :).  however, want to buy a new tv out card (agp 4x )
[23:00] <MythbuntuGuest33> any recommendations ?
[23:01] <MythbuntuGuest33> seems as though the 440mx nvidia there are issues, etc. so last thing i want to do is purchase an nvidia card to replace my ati that doesn't work either hehe
[23:01] <MythbuntuGuest33> ideally want to install 8.10
[23:13] <Antharian> ARG!  I have two motherboards still in the boxes with AMD690 chipsets on them... I really wish ATI/AMD would suddenly make the video acceleration available
[23:59] <MythbuntuGuest23> tgm4883 = tgm_laptop?