[00:14] <jarnos> retour: I don't understand how hardware abstraction layer can know about your mount points once you deleted the default ones.
[00:23] <retour> jarnos: creating own mount points I remember from other distros with folder /mnt in ubuntu everything is different
[00:35] <jarnos> retour: In Xubuntu mounting of cdrom is automatic by default; you can control it in Removable Drives and Media settings.
[00:41] <jarnos> retour: When you changed mount point names in /media, did you also change contents of /etc/fstab accordingly?
[01:47] <DeadZ0ne> I need some help regarding OpenSSH and getting my buddy to log-on. I have Apache2 running and just want him to beable to log in and be able to edit web pages things. How do i go about doing this?
[01:48] <DeadZ0ne> i have googled and the pages that i have found are not telling me how to get things started.
[01:56] <zoredache> create an account for him (adduser) from the command line, install openssh-server if you haven't already, open any firewalls for port 22, make sure he has access in /var/www by changing permissions
[02:12] <talknow22> hello?
[02:22] <batcoder-7> i plugged in my mp3 player
[02:22] <batcoder-7> it is not reconizing / automatically mounting it
[02:22] <slimindie> hi all
[02:22] <batcoder-7> does xubuntu not do that ?
[02:23] <slimindie> dumb question: what screen resolution will the livecd of xubuntu start up in?
[02:25] <slimindie> i only ask because i was trying to set xubuntu up as a home theatre pc, and the resolution it started in was incompatible with my tv (ubuntu 6.06 lts started in 1024x768, which seemed to work ok)
[02:27] <Guest39566> good morning/afternoon/evening!  i am working on installing xubuntu on my laptop that has an external monitor hooked up next to it for two screen goodness.  is it possible to edit xorg.conf to use a virtual desktop resolution?  i'm currently stuck with just the laptop monitor working.  thanks : )
[02:29] <Guest39566> i copied over a working xorg.conf file from ubuntu, but restarts of X and the system do not seem to get it to take.
[02:30] <slimindie> Guest39566: i don't have the answer unfortunately, but a friend of mine is having the same problem (his laptop running xubuntu will only output to the laptop screen, whereas ubuntu 7.10 outputted to the laptop screen and hdtv with no problem)
[02:30] <slimindie> i'm thinking that multi-monitor support is not included in xubuntu for some reason.
[02:31] <Guest39566> hmm, how odd.  darn, i really wanted to go to the lighter cleaner xubuntu.  well i appreciate it slim, thanks!
[02:32] <ObsidianX> hey folks, when i try and boot up to xubuntu it hangs on the splash screen and doesn't continue booting until i press (and hold) a key on the keyboard
[02:32] <slimindie> Guest39566: no problem, sorry i couldn't be more helpful
[02:33] <ObsidianX> its a similar effect as the "idlehalt" flag available in darwin
[02:33] <ObsidianX> i just don't know if there's an equivalent kernel flag for linux
[02:38] <juanantonio> Hello. I want to know how fast xubuntu 8.10 can run on a 800 Mhz 256 Mb or maybe more RAM computer
[02:39] <slimindie> juanantonio: "fast" is rather subjective...
[02:39] <juanantonio> Well, yes, I know
[02:40] <juanantonio> I mean, will run faster XP, 2000 or Xubuntu? I have Xubuntu and Kubuntu on this PC and I am delighted with both of them
[02:40] <slimindie> rule of thumb: if the hardware is decent (runs standard ubuntu any faster than molasass), xubuntu will be snappy.
[02:40] <slimindie> xubuntu should run the fastest fo those choices due to xfce being such a light-weight wm.
[02:41] <juanantonio> and Xubuntu with LXDE desktop, even faster
[02:41] <DeadZ0ne> ok so i created my buddy an account to login with. you said to open up port 22 on any firewalls. is that something that i need to configure within my box or on the router itself? Another question, is it possible to change the default port to something less default? I know then i will have to open that port that i change it to. /var/www is the apache file right?
[02:42] <slimindie> you'll probably notice a benefit from adding more ram, but the benefit from a faster processor will be less noticable unless you're crunching numbers or converting video or something.
[02:43] <juanantonio> I am trying to have some old PCs I got from friends working as servers or downloading dedicates
[02:43] <juanantonio> Yes, I can get 128 Mb more RAM PPC 100, being total of 384 Mb RAM
[02:44] <DeadZ0ne>    thats how much ram this computer has
[02:44] <slimindie> unless you're getting that ram for free, i would bump it up to at least 512mb (provided it has the capacity)
[02:45] <juanantonio> Maybe I can get it for free, but all the hard work comes to this PC
[02:45] <zoredache> DeadZ0ne: by default there isn't an enabled firewall on ubuntu... if you have a broadband router you would need to probably setup a port forward there...  Depending on the router, you could forward any port to port 22
[02:45] <slimindie> i'd bump it up then.
[02:46] <juanantonio> so that was the reason of my question. No need for something more than some music, Transmission and aMule
[02:47] <slimindie> transmission will benefit from increased memory for sure.
[02:48] <juanantonio> Yes, i Know, hehehe. All BT-clients love eating more and more RAM
[02:49] <juanantonio> I had the idea of replacing Thunar with PCMan File manager from LXDE
[02:50] <DeadZ0ne> That helped
[02:51] <DeadZ0ne> now i am able to telnet from my vista to it but then i get a protocol mismatch
[02:51] <juanantonio> Can you tab browsing with Thunar? I didn't find the option
[03:02] <zoredache> DeadZ0ne: if you want to ssh from a windows box you should probably be using Putty...
[03:02] <zoredache> DeadZ0ne: also checkout winscp, and filezilla for ssh-based file transfer
[03:30] <Chreestopher> hello everyone...
[03:32] <Chreestopher> I am extremely new to ubuntu , and linux in general.. I have some questions and would really appreciate it if someone could help me out with understanding some basics, if anyone is interested in helping me out please let me know... I really need some help and i know its bassic stuff but I have looked in the documentation and cant get the answers i need
[03:33] <Chreestopher> anyone arround their box?
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> Chreestopher: just ask. :D if someone know the answer, they will respond...
[03:34] <Chreestopher> nobody?
[04:28] <culinarian> I'm mucking around with 7.10 on an ibm thinkpad 760xl and after the initial install (took a while but apparently finished successfully) ; reboot ... /dev/disk/by-uuid/ [uuid #??] does not exist. Dropping to a shell! I'm not familiar with the BusyBox shell and very inexperienced otherwise. Any ideas?
[05:11] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know how to get the sound to work under xubuntu?
[05:48] <DeadZ0ne> have you checked the sound options
[05:49] <DeadZ0ne> and the volume is not muted?
[05:49] <spasticteapot> Yes...it's some weird ubuntu problem.
[05:49] <spasticteapot> Apparently, you have to run something whenever you want to play it.
[05:49] <spasticteapot> you'd have thought they'd have made it a package by now.
[05:52] <kattollikisd> can someone here help me out... how to find the wallpaper that xubuntu-8.04 have whent I install it? :S
[06:07] <kattollikisd> can someone here help me out... how to find the wallpaper that xubuntu-8.04 have whent I install it? :S
[06:22] <kattollikisd> Im looking for the wallpaper that Xubuntu 8.04 have whent you install it, someone know were I can find it? :S
[06:25] <kattollikisd> thanks anyway
[06:35] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know how to run a ".x86" file?
[06:36] <maxamillion> pretty sure that file extension doesn't have a common runtime and that someone just renamed the file
[06:36] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: can you open it in a text editor?
[06:37] <spasticteapot> It says it's an "ELF 32-bit executable".
[06:37] <spasticteapot> pbweb.x86: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:37] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: ah, ELF we can do
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Oh, good.
[06:38] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: chmod +x nameOfFile
[06:38] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: ./nameOfFile
[06:38] <maxamillion> both in the command line
[06:38] <maxamillion> and you should be good to go
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Aha!
[06:38] <spasticteapot> I thought I'd already done that....
[06:39] <maxamillion> eh, happens to the best of us
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Any chance we'll see an Enemy Territory package for Ubuntu?
[06:39] <maxamillion> no idea, i'm a fedora developer
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Then what are you doing in Ubuntu?
[06:39] <spasticteapot> :)
[06:40] <spasticteapot> I thought that Fedora was just the free-beer consumer version of RedHat?
[06:40] <maxamillion> used to develop for xubuntu for a while because i'm a fan of xfce ... loooong story, but i left the dev team but hang around because i like the people
[06:40] <spasticteapot> Me, too.
[06:41] <spasticteapot> It's a nice interface.
[06:41] <maxamillion> i think each distro has its place in the world, i've found my personal preference is fedora ... but each distro exists because different people have different opinions about what's important to them and how they like things to be done
[06:41] <maxamillion> yes, xfce is quite clean and refreshing
[06:42] <spasticteapot> I remember not so long ago when nothing quite seemed to work properly.
[06:42] <maxamillion> i also use gnome ... used to mix it up with kde but kde4 still has a long way to go
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Of course, under GNOME, my computer wouldn't really run at all.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Learning Linux on a PIII-500 has a few downsides.
[06:43] <maxamillion> nothing worked properly in fedora? ... that's possible, i didn't really respect the distro as a whole until about release 6 ... and its continued to get much better as time has gone on
[06:43] <maxamillion> naw, linux is the only platform for a p3 500mhz these days
[06:43] <spasticteapot> I haven't really tried Fedora - it was XFCE was bugtastic.
[06:43] <maxamillion> ahhh
[06:43] <spasticteapot> maxamillion: Blustery Badger (or whatever it was) + GNOME made my system slow to a crawl.
[06:44] <maxamillion> fedora in my opinion is a solid distro and i like they way they do things
[06:44] <spasticteapot> I'm one of the very few Linux afficionados who is not a hardcore power user.
[06:44] <maxamillion> i also like how every desktop environment doesn't spawn a new distro, it just makes a different "spin" of the install image
[06:44] <spasticteapot> I like Ubuntu because I'm very lazy.
[06:44] <maxamillion> i like gnu/linux in general because i'm very lazy
[06:45] <maxamillion> package management spoils me and anything i have to do more than once i can automate
[06:45] <spasticteapot> Ironically, though, I make money as a techie - although my primary skill is not in computing, but in explaining things very slowly in a calm, reassuring voice.
[06:45] <spasticteapot> You'd also be amazed at how many people will pay you to deal with tech support for them.
[06:46] <spasticteapot> Talk about the "hidden costs of outsourcing!"
[06:46] <maxamillion> i'm a redhat enterprise linux administrator for the university i am currently attending, so i admin by day and develop by night ... somewhere in there i am working on my undergraduate degree in computer science
[06:46] <maxamillion> lol
[06:47] <maxamillion> people don't like to deal with people ... that's kinda what it boils down to and if you are good at it or atleast aren't bothered by it then there is a lot of money to be made
[06:47] <spasticteapot> I thought I'd grow up to be a programmer or electrical engineer, but found out that I was both hated it and was terrible at it.
[06:47] <spasticteapot> I'm hoping to become an automotive journalist.
[06:48] <maxamillion> interesting change in career path
[06:48] <spasticteapot> I can write funny things if I work at it.
[06:48] <spasticteapot> The major problem, IMO, with consumer review journalism today is that the manufacturers have a death-grip on the reviewers.
[06:49] <maxamillion> i actually greatly enjoy software development ... currently reading a book on linux kernel development so that i can work to contribute back to the core of the operating system that we know and love :)
[06:50] <maxamillion> that is quite true of most review industry
[06:50] <spasticteapot> For example, if the LA Times calls the Honda Limburgermobile smelly, Honda will pull advertising. The editor, therefore, cannot permit the reviewer to make any negative comments, or even to directly compare it to similar cheese-based cars in case the one reviewed least favorably pulls advertising.
[06:50] <spasticteapot> Even Consumer Reports stopped saying nasty things about Bose after they threatened to sue.
[06:50] <spasticteapot> I'm a senior in high school (woo!) and, hopefully, have the ability to weasel through a communications major.
[06:50] <maxamillion> its all rigged
[06:51] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: where you planning to go to college?
[06:51] <spasticteapot> maxamillion: Not necessarily.
[06:51] <spasticteapot> maxamillion: A year of community college, then off to who knows where - preferably someplace local and cheap. UW-whitewater or UW-milwaukee, maybe.
[06:51] <spasticteapot> On the subject of consumer journalism...have you ever heard of Jeremy Clarkson?
[06:52] <maxamillion> cool cool
[06:52] <maxamillion> no ... doesn't ring a bell
[06:52] <spasticteapot> He's employed by the BBC, who receives funding primarily from its' viewers.
[06:52] <spasticteapot> As such, he can get away with anything...and does.
[06:52] <spasticteapot> He's been called the "rudest man in Britain".
[06:53] <maxamillion> sweet
[06:53] <maxamillion> i think the internet is the outlet for those such things
[06:53] <spasticteapot> He once had the Prime Minister of Malaysia write a formal complaint about his statements on the quality of Malaysian cars...and his smashing up one outside a dealership.
[06:53] <maxamillion> like engadget with technology ... they say what they want, when they want, about who they want and nobody says anything
[06:53] <maxamillion> oh nice
[06:54] <spasticteapot> Once, after gossip rag magnate had rude things written about him in his tabloids, he punched him in the nose!
[06:54] <spasticteapot> maxamillion: No, not really. Unless you're obscenely famous (e.g. Anandtech) you're guaranteed to lose advertising dollars if you write scathing reviews.
[06:55] <maxamillion> meh
[06:55] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... gotta hit the sack, i gotta be up early in the morning ... day job and all
[06:55] <maxamillion> laters
[06:56] <source> saluton
[06:56] <spasticteapot> Hello.
[06:57] <spasticteapot> I've been trying to install Enemy Territory with no luck.
[07:13] <source> openarena FTW!
[11:26] <Juanantonio> Hello. Can anyone help me with Thunar?
[11:28] <Juanantonio> I mean, can't I tab browsing with it?
[11:28] <TheSheep> no
[11:28] <TheSheep> try PCMan if you really think you need tabs
[11:29] <Juanantonio> Ok then, in fact I have PCMan, it is really cool
[11:31] <Juanantonio> I don't need to tell Xubuntu that default explorer is PCMan instead of Thunar, do I?
[11:32] <TheSheep> no, just use pcman
[11:33] <Juanantonio> Ok man, thanks very much
[11:35] <Juanantonio> TheSheep, just one question: I installed Kubuntu and then xubuntu desktop, and sometimes, Xubuntu shoots me some errors concerning non installation of gnome. Should I have installed instead of Kubuntu-Xubuntu, Ubuntu-Xubuntu?
[11:35] <TheSheep> Juanantonio: can you be a little more specific about the errors?
[11:36] <TheSheep> Juanantonio: xubuntu-desktop should be self-contained
[11:37] <Juanantonio> For instance, when I try to change user, I can't switch throug Exit x menu, but through Ctrl+Alt+Fn, as Gnome is not installed and KDM rules and not GDM
[11:37] <Juanantonio> this is the error
[11:39] <Juanantonio> But the thing is, everything works fine despite some error messages
[11:40] <TheSheep> I suppose xubuntu wasn't tested etensiely with kdm
[11:41] <TheSheep> so there are details like that
[11:41] <Juanantonio> Yes, I undestand is more gnome-like than KDE-like
[11:42] <Juanantonio> I am testing extensively as I want to resurrect some old PCs, and I am sure that X with PCMan and some LXDE features can run well
[11:43] <Juanantonio> well, not well but fast ;)
[11:45] <Juanantonio> I will have to ask you then for NFS network filesharing, I have no idea, directly zero
[11:48] <Juanantonio> Can you send me a link to a little tutorial of filesharing in Linux, if possible in Spanish?
[11:48] <TheSheep> I don;t know any, but I would check out the wiki and the forums
[11:49] <Juanantonio> Ok. According to your experience, is it difficult?
[11:49] <TheSheep> no, but my opinion is biased
[11:50] <TheSheep> tbh I just use scp most of the time
[11:50] <TheSheep> all it needs is a running ssh server
[11:50] <Juanantonio> Ah, ok. I herad of it, yes
[11:51] <arualavi> Juanantonio, search in http://es.tldp.org/ :)
[11:51] <Juanantonio> And NFS between X and K or Samba between XP or Vista and X?
[11:51] <Juanantonio> Ok, my friend
[11:53] <Juanantonio> What's kernel last version?
[11:54] <TheSheep> !info linux-image-generic
[11:56] <arualavi> TheSheep, how do you know what ubottu knows ?
[11:56] <Juanantonio> I have Hardy, will I receive the kernel updates or there is apoint where I can't update it any more?
[11:57] <arualavi> Juanantonio, you will receive bug or security kernel updates, but no new kernel version in hardy.
[11:58] <Juanantonio> Ah, ok. And how can I update it?
[11:58] <sinbox> upgrade to 8.10
[11:58] <arualavi> well I don't know, maybe using backports
[11:59] <Juanantonio> Is this the only way?
[11:59] <arualavi> Juanantonio, why dou you want upgrade the kernel?
[11:59] <Juanantonio> Ok, I will tell you. I am back some minutes, I'll be back immediately
[12:00] <Juanantonio> I do not want, it is just curiosity ;)
[12:06] <TheSheep> !bot | arualavi
[12:07] <arualavi> thx
[12:13] <Juanantonio> I'm back again
[12:14] <Juanantonio> Things is, in my system the main installation is Kubuntu and I am not very sure of updating KDE 3.5
[12:14] <Juanantonio> and may be if I update Xubuntu, Kubuntu will be updated too
[12:15] <sinbox> it probably will be
[12:16] <Juanantonio> One question, if I update, will everything I have in the PC be saved and recovered once updated?
[12:21] <Juanantonio> The thing that annoys me the most is that I have everything customized to will, including Compiz
[12:23] <Juanantonio> and maybe if I update, I will have to restart configuring everything
[13:28] <raevol> hey guys, just installed xubuntu on a cli fresh system using --no-install-recommends, and i don't have the settings gui for gtk :[ anyone know what the package is?
[13:29] <sinbox> nope, out of interest what does --no-install-recommends actually do?
[13:32] <raevol> it doesn't install the recommeded packages, like abiword and gimp and gnome-games
[13:35] <sinbox> ok, good to know if I decide to reinstall, not too sure how you go about getting a CLI only system from the alternate CD though, guess I'll have to read the manual to find out
[13:36] <raevol> at the moment i don't recommend it, having to hash together a lot of things by hand :(
[13:38] <sinbox> well, I wanted to try that and put fluxbox but the alternate CD just put ubuntu with gnome on my old underpowered laptop straight away :/
[13:39] <raevol> yea
[13:45] <raevol> aaah there we go, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[14:32] <jarnos> What determines the time how long time system does not ask password after you give password for sudo?
[14:35] <sinbox> I think it's 5 minutes by default
[14:38] <jarnos> sinbox: This seems to force it ask every time: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-security/78651-force-sudo-re-ask-password.html#post403886
[14:38] <jarnos> sinbox: but there was not the former kind of line in my /etc/sudoers.
[14:40] <sinbox> sorry got to run out, maybe someone else can help you
[16:47] <DarkTan> how i do lock my destops with out loggin out?
[16:47] <slow-motion> hi
[16:55] <jarnos> DarkTan: xflock4
[17:20] <sunshine> I'm using 8.10 with xfce 4.4 but after reinstallation of the nvidia driver i could not login to xfce.
[17:20] <sunshine> kde 4 is working now but normally nearly unusable
[17:20] <sunshine> I see the splash screen but there is no desktop appearing
[17:21] <sunshine> and then it falls back to kdm
[17:22] <sunshine> any obvious suggestions?
[17:36] <sunshine> no ideas?
[20:10] <The-Kernel> I wonder, is there a good CLI version for virtual hosting like virtualbox?
[20:11] <The-Kernel> Virtual Machines*
[20:29] <mchelen1> after unplugging and plugging in again my network cable, xubuntu thinks there is no network connection, what should i do?
[20:30] <The-Kernel> open up the terminal
[20:30] <The-Kernel> type in "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart"
[20:31] <mchelen1> ok will do, one sec
[20:31] <The-Kernel> actually
[20:31] <The-Kernel> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:35] <mchelen1> ok great, that seems to be working, thanks!
[20:45] <Arthran> guys, any idea what Zubuntu's driver support is like for old Toshiba laptops?
[21:22] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[21:22] <wubrgamer> which version of XFCE does xubuntu current use?
[21:25] <arualavi> wubrgamer, 4.4.2
[21:25] <wubrgamer> thanks
[21:25] <wubrgamer> so they are two versions behind current
[21:26] <arualavi> you're welcome
[21:26] <arualavi> current stable xfce is 4.4.3
[21:29] <theGAXman> Hey can anyone tell me how to change the name of my wireless interface from eth1 to wlan0 on Hardy?
[21:57] <Shaba1> Sorry those messages were not intended fo this forum
[22:41] <robile> what is the parameter for "find" to NOT search in case sensitive mode?
[22:42] <rhavenn> robile: man find   should get you there
[22:42] <The-Kernel> yeah
[22:43] <The-Kernel> find /look/in/here/ -name what.youre.looking.for
[22:43] <robile> The-Kernel, i know but thats case sensitive
[22:43] <rhavenn> find /dir -iname
[22:43] <robile> iname
[22:43] <robile> ahh k thx