| Lns | Lns: im here | 00:33 |
|---|---|---|
| Ahmuck | notepad ++ | 00:36 |
| LaserJock | Lns: heh, talking to yourself again? | 00:36 |
| LaserJock | Lns, Ahmuck: have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61 | 00:37 |
| Lns | ah, heh didnt notice that | 00:37 |
| * Lns only talks to himself on thursdays | 00:37 | |
| Lns | LaserJock: node 61 looking slick!!! | 00:39 |
| LaserJock | do you think a new person would get a good intro from that? | 00:40 |
| Lns | for sure! | 00:41 |
| Lns | youd have to be pretty strange not to understand that, its very clear and to the point. | 00:41 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to walk the line between "umm, what *is* it?" and "woah, to much information" | 00:41 |
| Lns | perfect balance | 00:42 |
| Lns | and i think it gives ME motivation as to knowing what edubuntu is too =) | 00:42 |
| Lns | even though ive been working with it since fiesty | 00:42 |
| Lns | err, dapper even | 00:42 |
| LaserJock | heh | 00:42 |
| Lns | since back then, it was an OS, an LTSP installation, apps, themes and more | 00:43 |
| LaserJock | next step is to do similar stuff to the pages it links to | 00:47 |
| LaserJock | hmm, we also have a Glossary page | 00:48 |
| LaserJock | we can link up things that are a bit hard to explain to that (Main, Universe, etc.) | 00:48 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i like that site | 00:55 |
| Ahmuck | it's well organized | 00:55 |
| LaserJock | oh bother | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | why do we have *3* download pages? | 01:01 |
| Lns | lol\ | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm confused | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | they're all similar but slightly different | 01:04 |
| Lns | sounds like 2 / 3 need to go away | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | hmm and we have a FAQ on the website *and* on the wiki | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, time to head out | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages | 01:13 |
| nothingman | so I'm trying to conjure up what I'm going to do about student files for the future | 02:44 |
| nothingman | I had been planning on having Active Directory user names and a shared folder for all users | 02:44 |
| nothingman | shared, but with a subfolder for each student | 02:45 |
| nothingman | now I'm thinking I'll use thumb drives for the older students, and have them install a minimal OS plus partition for classwork | 02:56 |
| nothingman | so there | 03:12 |
| nothingman | and my battery's dying | 03:12 |
| encompass | hi guys, is there any way to do an ltsp setup without pxe boot? | 13:45 |
| encompass | I have an old lappy I want to use as a thin client | 13:45 |
| encompass | for example, can I do a special install or something? PErhaps boot from a CD | 13:46 |
| alkisg | encompass: you can boot from a floppy or cd or even from the hard disk. Try #ltsp | 13:46 |
| encompass | ok | 13:46 |
| alkisg | encompass: (or go directly to etherboot.org and download a gpxe disk) | 13:47 |
| * encompass checks it out | 13:48 | |
| nubae | yeah downloading the gpxe image and writing to cdrom will be your best bet | 13:53 |
| encompass | nubae: so this gpxe doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet is that right? | 13:54 |
| nubae | well its not really anything to do with the OS | 13:55 |
| nubae | its like a mini image that acts like a pxe network card | 13:55 |
| nubae | so this works for all operating systems... thats why its not in ubuntu... but I guess its not a bad idea to package it up for ubuntu | 13:55 |
| encompass | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet | 13:56 |
| encompass | that seems to be the answer | 13:56 |
| nubae | thats complicating things, its not that complicated | 13:57 |
| encompass | hehe | 13:57 |
| nubae | just download teh gpxe image, write to cdrom | 13:57 |
| nubae | and put cdrom in drive :-) | 13:57 |
| encompass | does it do the kernel install and grub setup so I don't have to keep using the cd drive? | 13:57 |
| nubae | set the machine to load from cdrom of course | 13:57 |
| nubae | no | 13:57 |
| nubae | that u have to copy over manually | 13:57 |
| nubae | but to be honest, using the cd is not so bad | 13:58 |
| nubae | I have it set up like that for a bunch of thin clients | 13:58 |
| encompass | pretty quick I suppose | 13:58 |
| alkisg | encompass: you just download gpxe.lkrn to /boot/ and put the lines "title Boot from network" and "kernel /boot/gpxe.lkrn" somewhere in /boot/grub/menu.lst. | 14:05 |
| encompass | yeah | 14:05 |
| encompass | I just found that now | 14:05 |
| encompass | trying to figure out which pci id I have | 14:05 |
| nubae | lspci | 14:05 |
| alkisg | encompass: download gpxe:all-drivers, it contains all drivers and it's in the middle of the list | 14:05 |
| encompass | there is one? | 14:06 |
| alkisg | Yeap | 14:06 |
| nubae | oh yeah, thats what I used... | 14:06 |
| nubae | nice quick solution | 14:06 |
| alkisg | Like I write it, with "g" in front: "gpxe:all-drivers" | 14:06 |
| nubae | alkisg: so why edu apps do u use? | 14:07 |
| alkisg | Well... Firefox, OpenOffice, kolourpaint, iTalc... :) | 14:07 |
| nubae | kolourpaint? | 14:08 |
| encompass | they need to put that at the top :P | 14:08 |
| alkisg | Nothing from the _real_ edu* stuff! | 14:08 |
| nubae | well italc is in the bundle :-) | 14:08 |
| alkisg | encompass: tell them, #etherboot | 14:08 |
| alkisg | There are some lessons in the school books about window paintbrush, and kolourpaint is quite similar | 14:09 |
| alkisg | gpaint sucks though | 14:09 |
| encompass | alkisg: yeah, gimp is better :P | 14:09 |
| nubae | too complex | 14:09 |
| alkisg | In the first class of secondary education, when they learn about the mouse etc | 14:09 |
| nubae | ok... so u think gpaint should be replaced by kolourpaint? | 14:09 |
| nubae | there is also tuxpaint | 14:10 |
| alkisg | encompass: gimp isn't good for young kids... tuxpaint is better, but suffers in performance in ltsp environment | 14:10 |
| alkisg | nubae: absolutely! | 14:10 |
| encompass | oh, yeah, out of context I suppose | 14:10 |
| encompass | what about video and things? does ltsp handle where in that respect? | 14:10 |
| alkisg | gpaint should be burned and thrown out of the window | 14:10 |
| nubae | ok... well, now is the time to push these things through... kolourpaint seems stable to you? | 14:10 |
| encompass | for example, miro? | 14:10 |
| nubae | in edubuntu we use Kino | 14:11 |
| alkisg | kolourpaint is 1000% more stable than gpaint | 14:11 |
| nubae | ok ok... good to know... I'll lobby for it then | 14:11 |
| alkisg | and edubuntu already has kde apps, so no problem there | 14:11 |
| nubae | no not at all, can u check see if its in main? | 14:11 |
| nubae | ah its in universe | 14:11 |
| nubae | well, still not a problem | 14:12 |
| alkisg | nubae, it's kolourpaint4 | 14:12 |
| alkisg | And it's in main | 14:12 |
| nubae | Package: kolourpaint | 14:13 |
| nubae | Section: universe/kde | 14:13 |
| nubae | Priority: extra | 14:13 |
| nubae | oh the other must be kde3 | 14:13 |
| alkisg | Canonical provides critical updates for kolourpaint4 until May 2010. | 14:13 |
| alkisg | But you're right, it's not in main | 14:13 |
| nubae | it is or it isnt now? | 14:14 |
| nubae | no its in main | 14:15 |
| nubae | you were right | 14:15 |
| nubae | http://appnr.com/package/kolourpaint4 | 14:15 |
| alkisg | !info kolourpaint4 | 14:16 |
| ubottu | kolourpaint4 (source: kdegraphics): simple image editor for KDE 4. In component main, is extra. Version 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 (intrepid), package size 939 kB, installed size 2220 kB | 14:16 |
| alkisg | I forget about ubot3, it knows stuff! :) | 14:16 |
| nubae | ok, so thats an easy switch... just change the seed | 14:16 |
| nubae | I'll write a mail to teh list, see if anyone objects | 14:17 |
| nubae | +1 in it ;-) | 14:17 |
| alkisg | !info stardict | 14:18 |
| ubottu | stardict (source: stardict): International dictionary. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.1-4ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 13 kB, installed size 60 kB | 14:18 |
| alkisg | !info vlc | 14:20 |
| ubottu | vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 1628 kB, installed size 3616 kB | 14:20 |
| alkisg | vlc is good for streaming video in ltsp classrooms | 14:20 |
| encompass | !info ubottu | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Package ubottu does not exist in intrepid | 14:20 |
| nubae | !info vlc | 14:21 |
| ubottu | vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 1628 kB, installed size 3616 kB | 14:21 |
| encompass | :( | 14:21 |
| nubae | multiverse | 14:21 |
| nubae | that will be hard... | 14:21 |
| alkisg | Yeah... :/ | 14:21 |
| nubae | anything similar? | 14:22 |
| alkisg | !info wine | 14:22 |
| ubottu | wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 7330 kB, installed size 54492 kB | 14:22 |
| nubae | it will be in main by Jaunty though | 14:22 |
| alkisg | wine? good! :) | 14:22 |
| nubae | yeah | 14:22 |
| nubae | lots of discussion about that on the ubuntu-devel list | 14:22 |
| nubae | I want blender back in | 14:23 |
| alkisg | blender is great, but difficult for education on any level :( | 14:23 |
| alkisg | !mplayer | 14:24 |
| nubae | yeah I used it for after school classes | 14:24 |
| ubottu | mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs | 14:24 |
| nubae | it was so much fun | 14:24 |
| alkisg | Bah...all the good players are multiverse for the codecs | 14:24 |
| nubae | yup | 14:24 |
| nubae | but the good thing is that starting with Jaunty we can bend the rules a bit | 14:24 |
| nubae | and put stuff like that in | 14:25 |
| nubae | just wont be on the cd | 14:25 |
| encompass | ok, ok, I am close here... I get the ethernet card to load, it get's a dhcp set addy | 14:26 |
| encompass | now is it ready for lstp at this point? | 14:26 |
| alkisg | So if someones installs edubuntu-desktop from the cd it will ask to download stuff from the internet? | 14:26 |
| alkisg | encompass: yes, as I client. Now you need the server | 14:26 |
| nubae | alkisg: no | 14:28 |
| nubae | 2 options, either the ubuntu education cd | 14:28 |
| nubae | and if u want extras | 14:28 |
| nubae | then edubuntu-primary or edubuntu-secondary, or whatever | 14:29 |
| nubae | basically they are bundles of all the software we choose to promote that are not in main | 14:29 |
| alkisg | nubae: what will the edubuntu-desktop package be called? | 14:29 |
| alkisg | edubuntu-primary? | 14:29 |
| nubae | hmm, probably edubuntu-desktop | 14:29 |
| nubae | and the cd will be called ubuntu-edu-addon | 14:30 |
| alkisg | So, what will the edubuntu-primary etc packages have that edubuntu-desktop won't have? | 14:30 |
| nubae | so the desktop will include ubuntu-edu-addon and all the edu packages we choose from universe | 14:30 |
| nubae | no, edubuntu-primary, edubuntu-secondary are there for users who want just certain age groups | 14:31 |
| nubae | the metapackage is edubuntu-desktop | 14:31 |
| alkisg | Bah, I'm really newbie to be talking about packaging!!! :) | 14:31 |
| nubae | right now, we have a set of metapackages that describe what is in them | 14:32 |
| nubae | for example, edubuntu-young | 14:32 |
| nubae | edubuntu-artwork | 14:32 |
| nubae | edubuntu-desktop currently contains all the sub metapackages | 14:32 |
| alkisg | So edubuntu-desktop will contain both primary and secondary | 14:33 |
| nubae | and the add on cd is called edubuntu-addon | 14:33 |
| nubae | right | 14:33 |
| alkisg | And what of the "canonical supported" package? How will that be called? | 14:33 |
| nubae | edubuntu-desktop will contain everything | 14:33 |
| nubae | ubuntu-edu | 14:33 |
| alkisg | That doesn't sound like a package... :) | 14:33 |
| nubae | so ubuntu-edu-cd | 14:34 |
| alkisg | Ah, like kde-edu, I get it | 14:34 |
| nubae | yeah... the point is that only that specific metapackage is supported | 14:34 |
| nubae | everything else, is edubuntu | 14:34 |
| nubae | be it artwork, uni packages, documentation | 14:34 |
| nubae | etc | 14:34 |
| alkisg | OK, I got it. So edubuntu-desktop will depend on ubuntu-edu, | 14:35 |
| alkisg | but edubuntu-primary will *not* depend on ubuntu-edu | 14:35 |
| nubae | yes | 14:35 |
| nubae | no | 14:35 |
| nubae | there might be something like ubuntu-edu-primary, etc too | 14:35 |
| nubae | but that is just gonna be complicated | 14:36 |
| nubae | actually, maybe edubuntu-primary should contain ubuntu-edu-primary as well as whatever else | 14:36 |
| alkisg | Yes... but anyway if the cd has an installer similar to what it already has now, one can only install the apps he/she wants. | 14:36 |
| nubae | yeah I'm talking the repository now though | 14:38 |
| nubae | as there will be no cd other than ubuntu-edu | 14:38 |
| alkisg | Aaaaaa, I didn't see that coming! :) | 14:39 |
| encompass | alkisg: a shizzle, I can't control my dhcp client, as I am on a wippies connection... any ideas on how to get around this? | 14:39 |
| encompass | dhcp server I mean | 14:39 |
| alkisg | encompass: could you rephrase that without using shizzle and wippies? :) I didn't get all the words... | 14:39 |
| encompass | wippies is a linux based router that I use for my internet access | 14:40 |
| encompass | the shizzle is a swear I suppose | 14:40 |
| encompass | I have only limited access to it | 14:40 |
| alkisg | OK, so what's the problem with the dhcp server? | 14:40 |
| encompass | it's on the router | 14:40 |
| encompass | don't I need that on the pxe server? | 14:40 |
| encompass | ltsp server I mean? | 14:40 |
| alkisg | You may have 2 dhcp servers, it's doable | 14:41 |
| nubae | well... u should really only have one | 14:41 |
| alkisg | You just need to tell the linux dhcp server that "gpxe:priority=1", to have greater priority for gpxe to use it | 14:41 |
| nubae | but if there on different interfaces it dont matter so much | 14:41 |
| alkisg | encompass: do you want my dhcpd.conf? I have 2 dhcp servers at school (1=router), and it works fine... | 14:42 |
| encompass | yeah | 14:42 |
| encompass | send it over | 14:43 |
| encompass | or if you need an email that would work too | 14:43 |
| alkisg | encompass: you may also copy the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz & initrd from the ltsp server to your laptop, and directly boot the kernel and give it a manual ip address without even using gpxe | 14:43 |
| alkisg | !pastebot | 14:43 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebot | 14:43 |
| alkisg | !pastebin | 14:43 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 14:43 |
| alkisg | encompass: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102764/ | 14:46 |
| alkisg | Of course you'll have to change the IPs | 14:46 |
| alkisg | ranges etc | 14:46 |
| nothingman | hi, all | 15:15 |
| nothingman | having some major trouble | 15:15 |
| nothingman | my wireless is my internet-facing interface, my ethernet is my client-subnet-facing interface | 15:16 |
| nothingman | I have my IP set on that interface as 192.168.18.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 | 15:16 |
| nothingman | I can pastebin my dhcpd.conf if that's helpful | 15:16 |
| nubae | first what is teh problem? | 15:18 |
| nothingman | I get no DHCP address on the clients | 15:18 |
| nothingman | my server here is my laptop, and I'm always switching between networks with it | 15:19 |
| nubae | ok.. but the clients can start loading at all? | 15:19 |
| nubae | or nothing? | 15:19 |
| nothingman | nothing | 15:20 |
| nothingman | I mean, they go through PXE but get no address | 15:20 |
| nubae | ok, so lets start at the begining then... the wireless interface is internet side and is called eth0? | 15:20 |
| nubae | check /etc/default/dhcp3-server and make sure its pointed to the correct interface | 15:22 |
| nothingman | wireless is called eth1 | 15:23 |
| nothingman | and that I checked | 15:23 |
| nothingman | it's set to eth0, the wired connection | 15:24 |
| nubae | u checked dhcp is feeding eth0 ? | 15:24 |
| nubae | k | 15:24 |
| nothingman | and yes, dhcpd.conf is set for that subnet | 15:24 |
| nothingman | want me to pastebin | 15:24 |
| nubae | sure | 15:24 |
| nubae | u have a firewall running by any chance? | 15:24 |
| nothingman | nope | 15:25 |
| nothingman | http://pastebin.com/m513947a7 | 15:26 |
| nubae | seriously? | 15:28 |
| nubae | thats u're dhcpd.conf? | 15:28 |
| nothingman | yeah | 15:28 |
| nubae | well there isn't even an image to grab | 15:28 |
| nothingman | it was overwritten once by firestarter, which I've not started on this machine | 15:28 |
| nothingman | yeah, I know | 15:28 |
| nothingman | I need to get the DHCP part going first | 15:29 |
| nubae | theres no root path | 15:29 |
| nubae | well no, u need to do it correctly | 15:29 |
| nubae | the file is totally screwed up | 15:29 |
| nubae | u want me to paste mine so u can see? | 15:29 |
| nothingman | yeah, sure | 15:29 |
| nubae | http://pastebin.com/m3ab4e1db | 15:30 |
| nothingman | sorry, I replaced it with a backup | 15:44 |
| nothingman | now it works fine | 15:44 |
| LaserJock | nubae: ping | 16:14 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: ping | 16:15 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: pong | 16:16 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: couple things, 1) do you need anything from me on the US grades mapping? Lns said he sent you a wikipedia link that looked pretty useful | 16:17 |
| LaserJock | so K-6 = Primary and 7-12 = Secondary | 16:17 |
| LaserJock | 2) yesterday we worked on a new edubuntu.org homepage, could you take a quick look: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61 | 16:18 |
| RichEd | 2) give me a coupla mins ... to check out the page | 16:19 |
| RichEd | 1) I think we have enough on the grade mapping for me to do a guideline for the package description | 16:20 |
| RichEd | We'll go with something like: Pre-School Year | 16:20 |
| RichEd | oops | 16:20 |
| RichEd | We'll go with something like: | 16:20 |
| RichEd | * Pre-School / Kindergarten { which is universal) | 16:21 |
| RichEd | * Primary = Grade / Year / K1-6 | 16:21 |
| RichEd | * Secondary = Grade / Year / K6-12 | 16:21 |
| RichEd | * Tertiary = College / University | 16:22 |
| RichEd | As you can see the age mapping is pretty diverse ... with Denmark +3 years and England -1 ! | 16:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 16:22 |
| RichEd | A teacher or parent should know the school level of their kid ... so age is not so NB | 16:23 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: do you think it would be worth putting up a webpage version of that spreadsheet? | 16:23 |
| LaserJock | or is that too patronizing | 16:23 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: yep ... I will do a wiki page and then someone can prettify and move to edubuntu.org | 16:23 |
| LaserJock | k, cool | 16:24 |
| RichEd | I think it is of interest ... for teachers ... so say a US teacher can see what age his class maps to in Sweden | 16:24 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I hadn't thought of that. It might help with the community helping each other | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | sort of a "public service" | 16:25 |
| RichEd | yep ... school peering / exchange projects etc | 16:25 |
| RichEd | we wouls also like to move to: does your school want to link to other schools ... add your degtails here | 16:26 |
| RichEd | Note also that Gavin McCullogh suggested (in Sevilla) as I mentioned briefly in the meeting that Adult education is an issue in some countries ... like Adult literacy for low income people | 16:26 |
| RichEd | also similar need in Africa | 16:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'd like to think about that some more | 16:26 |
| LaserJock | I don't have so much experience with the kidos | 16:27 |
| RichEd | We should keep an eye out for Adult oriented stuff - they do not want to see "rubber duckies" when learning to read ... typing etc. is also an adult skill | 16:27 |
| RichEd | we can look at that for 9.10 maybe ... extend to category 5 | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 16:28 |
| LaserJock | cool, I even got a bite from my meeting minutes blog post http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/edubuntu-meeting-minutes-2/ | 16:35 |
| Ahmuck | good morning | 17:23 |
| LaserJock | hi Ahmuck | 17:24 |
| Lns | FYI: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906 is new OOo Impress Slide Show pixmap issue URL | 18:34 |
| ubottu | OpenOffice.org bug 97906 in Presentation "Starting "Slide Show" caches pixmap data excessively, crashing thin clients" [Defect,Unconfirmed: ] | 18:35 |
| nothingman | hi, all | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | hi nothingman! | 18:44 |
| Lns | hey nothingman | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: we've got quite some work to do to get Add/Remove to reflect reality :( | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | nubae: let me know when you've got a few minutes to talk about edubuntu.org | 21:04 |
| Ahmuck | has edubuntu addressed internet filtering? | 23:57 |
| LaserJock | well, sorta | 23:58 |
| LaserJock | some time ago we worked on a easy to use, adaptive content filter | 23:59 |
| LaserJock | the problem with content filtering is that it's usually difficult to set up for a regular user | 23:59 |
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