[00:33] <Lns> Lns: im here
[00:36] <Ahmuck> notepad ++
[00:36] <LaserJock> Lns: heh, talking to yourself again?
[00:37] <LaserJock> Lns, Ahmuck: have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61
[00:37] <Lns> ah, heh didnt notice that
[00:37]  * Lns only talks to himself on thursdays
[00:39] <Lns> LaserJock: node 61 looking slick!!!
[00:40] <LaserJock> do you think a new person would get a good intro from that?
[00:41] <Lns> for sure!
[00:41] <Lns> youd have to be pretty strange not to understand that, its very clear and to the point.
[00:41] <LaserJock> I'm trying to walk the line between "umm, what *is* it?" and "woah, to much information"
[00:42] <Lns> perfect balance
[00:42] <Lns> and i think it gives ME motivation as to knowing what edubuntu is too =)
[00:42] <Lns> even though ive been working with it since fiesty
[00:42] <Lns> err, dapper even
[00:42] <LaserJock> heh
[00:43] <Lns> since back then, it was an OS, an LTSP installation, apps, themes and more
[00:47] <LaserJock> next step is to do similar stuff to the pages it links to
[00:48] <LaserJock> hmm, we also have a Glossary page
[00:48] <LaserJock> we can link up things that are a bit hard to explain to that (Main, Universe, etc.)
[00:55] <Ahmuck> yes, i like that site
[00:55] <Ahmuck> it's well organized
[01:01] <LaserJock> oh bother
[01:01] <LaserJock> why do we have *3* download pages?
[01:02] <Lns> lol\
[01:04] <LaserJock> I'm confused
[01:04] <LaserJock> they're all similar but slightly different
[01:05] <Lns> sounds like 2 / 3 need to go away
[01:09] <LaserJock> hmm and we have a FAQ on the website *and* on the wiki
[01:13] <LaserJock> ok, time to head out
[01:13] <LaserJock> I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages
[02:44] <nothingman> so I'm trying to conjure up what I'm going to do about student files for the future
[02:44] <nothingman> I had been planning on having Active Directory user names and a shared folder for all users
[02:45] <nothingman> shared, but with a subfolder for each student
[02:56] <nothingman> now I'm thinking I'll use thumb drives for the older students, and have them install a minimal OS plus partition for classwork
[03:12] <nothingman> so there
[03:12] <nothingman> and my battery's dying
[13:45] <encompass> hi guys, is there any way to do an ltsp setup without pxe boot?
[13:45] <encompass> I have an old lappy I want to use as a thin client
[13:46] <encompass> for example, can I do a special install or something?  PErhaps boot from a CD
[13:46] <alkisg> encompass: you can boot from a floppy or cd or even from the hard disk. Try #ltsp
[13:46] <encompass> ok
[13:47] <alkisg> encompass: (or go directly to etherboot.org and download a gpxe disk)
[13:48]  * encompass checks it out
[13:53] <nubae> yeah downloading the gpxe image and writing to cdrom will be your best bet
[13:54] <encompass> nubae: so this gpxe doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet is that right?
[13:55] <nubae> well its not really anything to do with the OS
[13:55] <nubae> its like a mini image that acts like a pxe network card
[13:55] <nubae> so this works for all operating systems... thats why its not in ubuntu... but I guess its not a bad idea to package it up for ubuntu
[13:56] <encompass> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet
[13:56] <encompass> that seems to be the answer
[13:57] <nubae> thats complicating things, its not that complicated
[13:57] <encompass> hehe
[13:57] <nubae> just download teh gpxe image, write to cdrom
[13:57] <nubae> and put cdrom in drive :-)
[13:57] <encompass> does it do the kernel install and grub setup so I don't have to keep using the cd drive?
[13:57] <nubae> set the machine to load from cdrom of course
[13:57] <nubae> no
[13:57] <nubae> that u have to copy over manually
[13:58] <nubae> but to be honest, using the cd is not so bad
[13:58] <nubae> I have it set up like that for a bunch of thin clients
[13:58] <encompass> pretty quick I suppose
[14:05] <alkisg> encompass: you just download gpxe.lkrn to /boot/ and put the lines "title Boot from network" and "kernel /boot/gpxe.lkrn" somewhere in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[14:05] <encompass> yeah
[14:05] <encompass> I just found that now
[14:05] <encompass> trying to figure out which pci id I have
[14:05] <nubae> lspci
[14:05] <alkisg> encompass: download gpxe:all-drivers, it contains all drivers and it's in the middle of the list
[14:06] <encompass> there is one?
[14:06] <alkisg> Yeap
[14:06] <nubae> oh yeah, thats what I used...
[14:06] <nubae> nice quick solution
[14:06] <alkisg> Like I write it, with "g" in front: "gpxe:all-drivers"
[14:07] <nubae> alkisg: so why edu apps do u use?
[14:07] <alkisg> Well... Firefox, OpenOffice, kolourpaint, iTalc... :)
[14:08] <nubae> kolourpaint?
[14:08] <encompass> they need to put that at the top :P
[14:08] <alkisg> Nothing from the _real_ edu* stuff!
[14:08] <nubae> well italc is in the bundle :-)
[14:08] <alkisg> encompass: tell them, #etherboot
[14:09] <alkisg> There are some lessons in the school books about window paintbrush, and kolourpaint is quite similar
[14:09] <alkisg> gpaint sucks though
[14:09] <encompass> alkisg: yeah, gimp is better :P
[14:09] <nubae> too complex
[14:09] <alkisg> In the first class of secondary education, when they learn about the mouse etc
[14:09] <nubae> ok... so u think gpaint should be replaced by kolourpaint?
[14:10] <nubae> there is also tuxpaint
[14:10] <alkisg> encompass: gimp isn't good for young kids... tuxpaint is better, but suffers in performance in ltsp environment
[14:10] <alkisg> nubae: absolutely!
[14:10] <encompass> oh, yeah, out of context I suppose
[14:10] <encompass> what about video and things? does ltsp handle where in that respect?
[14:10] <alkisg> gpaint should be burned and thrown out of the window
[14:10] <nubae> ok... well, now is the time to push these things through... kolourpaint seems stable to you?
[14:10] <encompass> for example, miro?
[14:11] <nubae> in edubuntu we use Kino
[14:11] <alkisg> kolourpaint is 1000% more stable than gpaint
[14:11] <nubae> ok ok... good to know... I'll lobby for it then
[14:11] <alkisg> and edubuntu already has kde apps, so no problem there
[14:11] <nubae> no not at all, can u check see if its in main?
[14:11] <nubae> ah its in universe
[14:12] <nubae> well, still not a problem
[14:12] <alkisg> nubae, it's kolourpaint4
[14:12] <alkisg> And it's in main
[14:13] <nubae> Package: kolourpaint
[14:13] <nubae> Section: universe/kde
[14:13] <nubae> Priority: extra
[14:13] <nubae> oh the other must be kde3
[14:13] <alkisg> Canonical provides critical updates for kolourpaint4 until May 2010.
[14:13] <alkisg> But you're right, it's not in main
[14:14] <nubae> it is or it isnt now?
[14:15] <nubae> no its in main
[14:15] <nubae> you were right
[14:15] <nubae> http://appnr.com/package/kolourpaint4
[14:16] <alkisg> !info kolourpaint4
[14:16] <alkisg> I forget about ubot3, it knows stuff! :)
[14:16] <nubae> ok, so thats an easy switch... just change the seed
[14:17] <nubae> I'll write a mail to teh list, see if anyone objects
[14:17] <nubae> +1 in it ;-)
[14:18] <alkisg> !info stardict
[14:20] <alkisg> !info vlc
[14:20] <alkisg> vlc is good for streaming video in ltsp classrooms
[14:20] <encompass> !info ubottu
[14:21] <nubae> !info vlc
[14:21] <encompass> :(
[14:21] <nubae> multiverse
[14:21] <nubae> that will be hard...
[14:21] <alkisg> Yeah... :/
[14:22] <nubae> anything similar?
[14:22] <alkisg> !info wine
[14:22] <nubae> it will be in main by Jaunty though
[14:22] <alkisg> wine? good! :)
[14:22] <nubae> yeah
[14:22] <nubae> lots of discussion about that on the ubuntu-devel list
[14:23] <nubae> I want blender back in
[14:23] <alkisg> blender is great, but difficult for education on any level :(
[14:24] <alkisg> !mplayer
[14:24] <nubae> yeah I used it for after school classes
[14:24] <nubae> it was so much fun
[14:24] <alkisg> Bah...all the good players are multiverse for the codecs
[14:24] <nubae> yup
[14:24] <nubae> but the good thing is that starting with Jaunty we can bend the rules a bit
[14:25] <nubae> and put stuff like that in
[14:25] <nubae> just wont be on the cd
[14:26] <encompass> ok, ok, I am close here... I get the ethernet card to load, it get's a dhcp set addy
[14:26] <encompass> now is it ready for lstp at this point?
[14:26] <alkisg> So if someones installs edubuntu-desktop from the cd it will ask to download stuff from the internet?
[14:26] <alkisg> encompass: yes, as I client. Now you need the server
[14:28] <nubae> alkisg: no
[14:28] <nubae> 2 options, either the ubuntu education cd
[14:28] <nubae> and if u want extras
[14:29] <nubae> then edubuntu-primary or edubuntu-secondary, or whatever
[14:29] <nubae> basically they are bundles of all the software we choose to promote that are not in main
[14:29] <alkisg> nubae: what will the edubuntu-desktop package be called?
[14:29] <alkisg> edubuntu-primary?
[14:29] <nubae> hmm, probably edubuntu-desktop
[14:30] <nubae> and the cd will be called ubuntu-edu-addon
[14:30] <alkisg> So, what will the edubuntu-primary etc packages have that edubuntu-desktop won't have?
[14:30] <nubae> so the desktop will include ubuntu-edu-addon and all the edu packages we choose from universe
[14:31] <nubae> no, edubuntu-primary, edubuntu-secondary are there for users who want just certain age groups
[14:31] <nubae> the metapackage is edubuntu-desktop
[14:31] <alkisg> Bah, I'm really newbie to be talking about packaging!!! :)
[14:32] <nubae> right now, we have a set of metapackages that describe what is in them
[14:32] <nubae> for example, edubuntu-young
[14:32] <nubae> edubuntu-artwork
[14:32] <nubae> edubuntu-desktop currently contains all the sub metapackages
[14:33] <alkisg> So edubuntu-desktop will contain both primary and secondary
[14:33] <nubae> and the add on cd is called edubuntu-addon
[14:33] <nubae> right
[14:33] <alkisg> And what of the "canonical supported" package? How will that be called?
[14:33] <nubae> edubuntu-desktop will contain everything
[14:33] <nubae> ubuntu-edu
[14:33] <alkisg> That doesn't sound like a package... :)
[14:34] <nubae> so ubuntu-edu-cd
[14:34] <alkisg> Ah, like kde-edu, I get it
[14:34] <nubae> yeah... the point is that only that specific metapackage is supported
[14:34] <nubae> everything else, is edubuntu
[14:34] <nubae> be it artwork, uni packages, documentation
[14:34] <nubae> etc
[14:35] <alkisg> OK, I got it. So edubuntu-desktop will depend on ubuntu-edu,
[14:35] <alkisg> but edubuntu-primary will *not* depend on ubuntu-edu
[14:35] <nubae> yes
[14:35] <nubae> no
[14:35] <nubae> there might be something like ubuntu-edu-primary, etc too
[14:36] <nubae> but that is just gonna be complicated
[14:36] <nubae> actually, maybe edubuntu-primary should contain ubuntu-edu-primary as well as whatever else
[14:36] <alkisg> Yes... but anyway if the cd has an installer similar to what it already has now, one can only install the apps he/she wants.
[14:38] <nubae> yeah I'm talking the repository now though
[14:38] <nubae> as there will be no cd other than ubuntu-edu
[14:39] <alkisg> Aaaaaa, I didn't see that coming! :)
[14:39] <encompass> alkisg: a shizzle, I can't control my dhcp client, as I am on a wippies connection... any ideas on how to get around this?
[14:39] <encompass> dhcp server I mean
[14:39] <alkisg> encompass: could you rephrase that without using shizzle and wippies? :) I didn't get all the words...
[14:40] <encompass> wippies is a linux based router that I use for my internet access
[14:40] <encompass> the shizzle is a swear I suppose
[14:40] <encompass> I have only limited access to it
[14:40] <alkisg> OK, so what's the problem with the dhcp server?
[14:40] <encompass> it's on the router
[14:40] <encompass> don't I need that on the pxe server?
[14:40] <encompass> ltsp server I mean?
[14:41] <alkisg> You may have 2 dhcp servers, it's doable
[14:41] <nubae> well... u should really only have one
[14:41] <alkisg> You just need to tell the linux dhcp server that "gpxe:priority=1", to have greater priority for gpxe to use it
[14:41] <nubae> but if there on different interfaces it dont matter so much
[14:42] <alkisg> encompass: do you want my dhcpd.conf? I have 2 dhcp servers at school (1=router), and it works fine...
[14:42] <encompass> yeah
[14:43] <encompass> send it over
[14:43] <encompass> or if you need an email that would work too
[14:43] <alkisg> encompass: you may also copy the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz & initrd from the ltsp server to your laptop, and directly boot the kernel and give it a manual ip address without even using gpxe
[14:43] <alkisg> !pastebot
[14:43] <alkisg> !pastebin
[14:46] <alkisg> encompass: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102764/
[14:46] <alkisg> Of course you'll have to change the IPs
[14:46] <alkisg> ranges etc
[15:15] <nothingman> hi, all
[15:15] <nothingman> having some major trouble
[15:16] <nothingman> my wireless is my internet-facing interface, my ethernet is my client-subnet-facing interface
[15:16] <nothingman> I have my IP set on that interface as 192.168.18.1, netmask 255.255.255.0
[15:16] <nothingman> I can pastebin my dhcpd.conf if that's helpful
[15:18] <nubae> first what is teh problem?
[15:18] <nothingman> I get no DHCP address on the clients
[15:19] <nothingman> my server here is my laptop, and I'm always switching between networks with it
[15:19] <nubae> ok.. but the clients can start loading at all?
[15:19] <nubae> or nothing?
[15:20] <nothingman> nothing
[15:20] <nothingman> I mean, they go through PXE but get no address
[15:20] <nubae> ok, so lets start at the begining then... the wireless interface is internet side and is called eth0?
[15:22] <nubae> check /etc/default/dhcp3-server and make sure its pointed to the correct interface
[15:23] <nothingman> wireless is called eth1
[15:23] <nothingman> and that I checked
[15:24] <nothingman> it's set to eth0, the wired connection
[15:24] <nubae> u checked dhcp is feeding eth0 ?
[15:24] <nubae> k
[15:24] <nothingman> and yes, dhcpd.conf is set for that subnet
[15:24] <nothingman> want me to pastebin
[15:24] <nubae> sure
[15:24] <nubae> u have a firewall running by any chance?
[15:25] <nothingman> nope
[15:26] <nothingman> http://pastebin.com/m513947a7
[15:28] <nubae> seriously?
[15:28] <nubae> thats u're dhcpd.conf?
[15:28] <nothingman> yeah
[15:28] <nubae> well there isn't even an image to grab
[15:28] <nothingman> it was overwritten once by firestarter, which I've not started on this machine
[15:28] <nothingman> yeah, I know
[15:29] <nothingman> I need to get the DHCP part going first
[15:29] <nubae> theres no root path
[15:29] <nubae> well no, u need to do it correctly
[15:29] <nubae> the file is totally screwed up
[15:29] <nubae> u want me to paste mine so u can see?
[15:29] <nothingman> yeah, sure
[15:30] <nubae> http://pastebin.com/m3ab4e1db
[15:44] <nothingman> sorry, I replaced it with a backup
[15:44] <nothingman> now it works fine
[16:14] <LaserJock> nubae: ping
[16:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: ping
[16:16] <RichEd> LaserJock: pong
[16:17] <LaserJock> RichEd: couple things, 1) do you need anything from me on the US grades mapping? Lns said he sent you a wikipedia link that looked pretty useful
[16:17] <LaserJock> so K-6 = Primary and 7-12 = Secondary
[16:18] <LaserJock> 2) yesterday we worked on a new edubuntu.org homepage, could you take a quick look: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61
[16:19] <RichEd> 2) give me a coupla mins ... to check out the page
[16:20] <RichEd> 1) I think we have enough on the grade mapping for me to do a guideline for the package description
[16:20] <RichEd> We'll go with something like: Pre-School Year
[16:20] <RichEd> oops
[16:20] <RichEd> We'll go with something like:
[16:21] <RichEd> * Pre-School / Kindergarten { which is universal)
[16:21] <RichEd> * Primary = Grade / Year / K1-6
[16:21] <RichEd> * Secondary = Grade / Year / K6-12
[16:22] <RichEd> * Tertiary = College / University
[16:22] <RichEd> As you can see the age mapping is pretty diverse ... with Denmark +3 years and England -1 !
[16:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[16:23] <RichEd> A teacher or parent should know the school level of their kid ... so age is not so NB
[16:23] <LaserJock> RichEd: do you think it would be worth putting up a webpage version of that spreadsheet?
[16:23] <LaserJock> or is that too patronizing
[16:23] <RichEd> LaserJock: yep ... I will do a wiki page and then someone can prettify and move to edubuntu.org
[16:24] <LaserJock> k, cool
[16:24] <RichEd> I think it is of interest ... for teachers ... so say a US teacher can see what age his class maps to in Sweden
[16:25] <LaserJock> yeah, I hadn't thought of that. It might help with the community helping each other
[16:25] <LaserJock> sort of a "public service"
[16:25] <RichEd> yep ... school peering / exchange projects etc
[16:26] <RichEd> we wouls also like to move to: does your school want to link to other schools ... add your degtails here
[16:26] <RichEd> Note also that Gavin McCullogh suggested (in Sevilla) as I mentioned briefly in the meeting that Adult education is an issue in some countries ... like Adult literacy for low income people
[16:26] <RichEd> also similar need in Africa
[16:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd like to think about that some more
[16:27] <LaserJock> I don't have so much experience with the kidos
[16:27] <RichEd> We should keep an eye out for Adult oriented stuff - they do not want to see "rubber duckies" when learning to read ... typing etc. is also an adult skill
[16:27] <RichEd> we can look at that for 9.10 maybe ... extend to category 5
[16:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[16:35] <LaserJock> cool, I even got a bite from my meeting minutes blog post http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/edubuntu-meeting-minutes-2/
[17:23] <Ahmuck> good morning
[17:24] <LaserJock> hi Ahmuck
[18:34] <Lns> FYI: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906 is new OOo Impress Slide Show pixmap issue URL
[18:43] <nothingman> hi, all
[18:44] <LaserJock> hi nothingman!
[18:57] <Lns> hey nothingman
[19:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: we've got quite some work to do to get Add/Remove to reflect reality :(
[21:04] <LaserJock> nubae: let me know when you've got a few minutes to talk about edubuntu.org
[23:57] <Ahmuck> has edubuntu addressed internet filtering?
[23:58] <LaserJock> well, sorta
[23:59] <LaserJock> some time ago we worked on a easy to use, adaptive content filter
[23:59] <LaserJock> the problem with content filtering is that it's usually difficult to set up for a regular user