[00:33] Lns: im here [00:36] notepad ++ [00:36] Lns: heh, talking to yourself again? [00:37] Lns, Ahmuck: have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61 [00:37] ah, heh didnt notice that [00:37] * Lns only talks to himself on thursdays [00:39] LaserJock: node 61 looking slick!!! [00:40] do you think a new person would get a good intro from that? [00:41] for sure! [00:41] youd have to be pretty strange not to understand that, its very clear and to the point. [00:41] I'm trying to walk the line between "umm, what *is* it?" and "woah, to much information" [00:42] perfect balance [00:42] and i think it gives ME motivation as to knowing what edubuntu is too =) [00:42] even though ive been working with it since fiesty [00:42] err, dapper even [00:42] heh [00:43] since back then, it was an OS, an LTSP installation, apps, themes and more [00:47] next step is to do similar stuff to the pages it links to [00:48] hmm, we also have a Glossary page [00:48] we can link up things that are a bit hard to explain to that (Main, Universe, etc.) [00:55] yes, i like that site [00:55] it's well organized [01:01] oh bother [01:01] why do we have *3* download pages? [01:02] lol\ [01:04] I'm confused [01:04] they're all similar but slightly different [01:05] sounds like 2 / 3 need to go away [01:09] hmm and we have a FAQ on the website *and* on the wiki [01:13] ok, time to head out [01:13] I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages [02:44] so I'm trying to conjure up what I'm going to do about student files for the future [02:44] I had been planning on having Active Directory user names and a shared folder for all users [02:45] shared, but with a subfolder for each student [02:56] now I'm thinking I'll use thumb drives for the older students, and have them install a minimal OS plus partition for classwork [03:12] so there [03:12] and my battery's dying [13:45] hi guys, is there any way to do an ltsp setup without pxe boot? [13:45] I have an old lappy I want to use as a thin client [13:46] for example, can I do a special install or something? PErhaps boot from a CD [13:46] encompass: you can boot from a floppy or cd or even from the hard disk. Try #ltsp [13:46] ok [13:47] encompass: (or go directly to etherboot.org and download a gpxe disk) [13:48] * encompass checks it out [13:53] yeah downloading the gpxe image and writing to cdrom will be your best bet [13:54] nubae: so this gpxe doesn't seem to be in ubuntu yet is that right? [13:55] well its not really anything to do with the OS [13:55] its like a mini image that acts like a pxe network card [13:55] so this works for all operating systems... thats why its not in ubuntu... but I guess its not a bad idea to package it up for ubuntu [13:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet [13:56] that seems to be the answer [13:57] thats complicating things, its not that complicated [13:57] hehe [13:57] just download teh gpxe image, write to cdrom [13:57] and put cdrom in drive :-) [13:57] does it do the kernel install and grub setup so I don't have to keep using the cd drive? [13:57] set the machine to load from cdrom of course [13:57] no [13:57] that u have to copy over manually [13:58] but to be honest, using the cd is not so bad [13:58] I have it set up like that for a bunch of thin clients [13:58] pretty quick I suppose [14:05] encompass: you just download gpxe.lkrn to /boot/ and put the lines "title Boot from network" and "kernel /boot/gpxe.lkrn" somewhere in /boot/grub/menu.lst. [14:05] yeah [14:05] I just found that now [14:05] trying to figure out which pci id I have [14:05] lspci [14:05] encompass: download gpxe:all-drivers, it contains all drivers and it's in the middle of the list [14:06] there is one? [14:06] Yeap [14:06] oh yeah, thats what I used... [14:06] nice quick solution [14:06] Like I write it, with "g" in front: "gpxe:all-drivers" [14:07] alkisg: so why edu apps do u use? [14:07] Well... Firefox, OpenOffice, kolourpaint, iTalc... :) [14:08] kolourpaint? [14:08] they need to put that at the top :P [14:08] Nothing from the _real_ edu* stuff! [14:08] well italc is in the bundle :-) [14:08] encompass: tell them, #etherboot [14:09] There are some lessons in the school books about window paintbrush, and kolourpaint is quite similar [14:09] gpaint sucks though [14:09] alkisg: yeah, gimp is better :P [14:09] too complex [14:09] In the first class of secondary education, when they learn about the mouse etc [14:09] ok... so u think gpaint should be replaced by kolourpaint? [14:10] there is also tuxpaint [14:10] encompass: gimp isn't good for young kids... tuxpaint is better, but suffers in performance in ltsp environment [14:10] nubae: absolutely! [14:10] oh, yeah, out of context I suppose [14:10] what about video and things? does ltsp handle where in that respect? [14:10] gpaint should be burned and thrown out of the window [14:10] ok... well, now is the time to push these things through... kolourpaint seems stable to you? [14:10] for example, miro? [14:11] in edubuntu we use Kino [14:11] kolourpaint is 1000% more stable than gpaint [14:11] ok ok... good to know... I'll lobby for it then [14:11] and edubuntu already has kde apps, so no problem there [14:11] no not at all, can u check see if its in main? [14:11] ah its in universe [14:12] well, still not a problem [14:12] nubae, it's kolourpaint4 [14:12] And it's in main [14:13] Package: kolourpaint [14:13] Section: universe/kde [14:13] Priority: extra [14:13] oh the other must be kde3 [14:13] Canonical provides critical updates for kolourpaint4 until May 2010. [14:13] But you're right, it's not in main [14:14] it is or it isnt now? [14:15] no its in main [14:15] you were right [14:15] http://appnr.com/package/kolourpaint4 [14:16] !info kolourpaint4 [14:16] kolourpaint4 (source: kdegraphics): simple image editor for KDE 4. In component main, is extra. Version 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 (intrepid), package size 939 kB, installed size 2220 kB [14:16] I forget about ubot3, it knows stuff! :) [14:16] ok, so thats an easy switch... just change the seed [14:17] I'll write a mail to teh list, see if anyone objects [14:17] +1 in it ;-) [14:18] !info stardict [14:18] stardict (source: stardict): International dictionary. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.1-4ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 13 kB, installed size 60 kB [14:20] !info vlc [14:20] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 1628 kB, installed size 3616 kB [14:20] vlc is good for streaming video in ltsp classrooms [14:20] !info ubottu [14:20] Package ubottu does not exist in intrepid [14:21] !info vlc [14:21] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 1628 kB, installed size 3616 kB [14:21] :( [14:21] multiverse [14:21] that will be hard... [14:21] Yeah... :/ [14:22] anything similar? [14:22] !info wine [14:22] wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 7330 kB, installed size 54492 kB [14:22] it will be in main by Jaunty though [14:22] wine? good! :) [14:22] yeah [14:22] lots of discussion about that on the ubuntu-devel list [14:23] I want blender back in [14:23] blender is great, but difficult for education on any level :( [14:24] !mplayer [14:24] yeah I used it for after school classes [14:24] mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs [14:24] it was so much fun [14:24] Bah...all the good players are multiverse for the codecs [14:24] yup [14:24] but the good thing is that starting with Jaunty we can bend the rules a bit [14:25] and put stuff like that in [14:25] just wont be on the cd [14:26] ok, ok, I am close here... I get the ethernet card to load, it get's a dhcp set addy [14:26] now is it ready for lstp at this point? [14:26] So if someones installs edubuntu-desktop from the cd it will ask to download stuff from the internet? [14:26] encompass: yes, as I client. Now you need the server [14:28] alkisg: no [14:28] 2 options, either the ubuntu education cd [14:28] and if u want extras [14:29] then edubuntu-primary or edubuntu-secondary, or whatever [14:29] basically they are bundles of all the software we choose to promote that are not in main [14:29] nubae: what will the edubuntu-desktop package be called? [14:29] edubuntu-primary? [14:29] hmm, probably edubuntu-desktop [14:30] and the cd will be called ubuntu-edu-addon [14:30] So, what will the edubuntu-primary etc packages have that edubuntu-desktop won't have? [14:30] so the desktop will include ubuntu-edu-addon and all the edu packages we choose from universe [14:31] no, edubuntu-primary, edubuntu-secondary are there for users who want just certain age groups [14:31] the metapackage is edubuntu-desktop [14:31] Bah, I'm really newbie to be talking about packaging!!! :) [14:32] right now, we have a set of metapackages that describe what is in them [14:32] for example, edubuntu-young [14:32] edubuntu-artwork [14:32] edubuntu-desktop currently contains all the sub metapackages [14:33] So edubuntu-desktop will contain both primary and secondary [14:33] and the add on cd is called edubuntu-addon [14:33] right [14:33] And what of the "canonical supported" package? How will that be called? [14:33] edubuntu-desktop will contain everything [14:33] ubuntu-edu [14:33] That doesn't sound like a package... :) [14:34] so ubuntu-edu-cd [14:34] Ah, like kde-edu, I get it [14:34] yeah... the point is that only that specific metapackage is supported [14:34] everything else, is edubuntu [14:34] be it artwork, uni packages, documentation [14:34] etc [14:35] OK, I got it. So edubuntu-desktop will depend on ubuntu-edu, [14:35] but edubuntu-primary will *not* depend on ubuntu-edu [14:35] yes [14:35] no [14:35] there might be something like ubuntu-edu-primary, etc too [14:36] but that is just gonna be complicated [14:36] actually, maybe edubuntu-primary should contain ubuntu-edu-primary as well as whatever else [14:36] Yes... but anyway if the cd has an installer similar to what it already has now, one can only install the apps he/she wants. [14:38] yeah I'm talking the repository now though [14:38] as there will be no cd other than ubuntu-edu [14:39] Aaaaaa, I didn't see that coming! :) [14:39] alkisg: a shizzle, I can't control my dhcp client, as I am on a wippies connection... any ideas on how to get around this? [14:39] dhcp server I mean [14:39] encompass: could you rephrase that without using shizzle and wippies? :) I didn't get all the words... [14:40] wippies is a linux based router that I use for my internet access [14:40] the shizzle is a swear I suppose [14:40] I have only limited access to it [14:40] OK, so what's the problem with the dhcp server? [14:40] it's on the router [14:40] don't I need that on the pxe server? [14:40] ltsp server I mean? [14:41] You may have 2 dhcp servers, it's doable [14:41] well... u should really only have one [14:41] You just need to tell the linux dhcp server that "gpxe:priority=1", to have greater priority for gpxe to use it [14:41] but if there on different interfaces it dont matter so much [14:42] encompass: do you want my dhcpd.conf? I have 2 dhcp servers at school (1=router), and it works fine... [14:42] yeah [14:43] send it over [14:43] or if you need an email that would work too [14:43] encompass: you may also copy the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz & initrd from the ltsp server to your laptop, and directly boot the kernel and give it a manual ip address without even using gpxe [14:43] !pastebot [14:43] Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebot [14:43] !pastebin [14:43] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [14:46] encompass: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102764/ [14:46] Of course you'll have to change the IPs [14:46] ranges etc [15:15] hi, all [15:15] having some major trouble [15:16] my wireless is my internet-facing interface, my ethernet is my client-subnet-facing interface [15:16] I have my IP set on that interface as 192.168.18.1, netmask 255.255.255.0 [15:16] I can pastebin my dhcpd.conf if that's helpful [15:18] first what is teh problem? [15:18] I get no DHCP address on the clients [15:19] my server here is my laptop, and I'm always switching between networks with it [15:19] ok.. but the clients can start loading at all? [15:19] or nothing? [15:20] nothing [15:20] I mean, they go through PXE but get no address [15:20] ok, so lets start at the begining then... the wireless interface is internet side and is called eth0? [15:22] check /etc/default/dhcp3-server and make sure its pointed to the correct interface [15:23] wireless is called eth1 [15:23] and that I checked [15:24] it's set to eth0, the wired connection [15:24] u checked dhcp is feeding eth0 ? [15:24] k [15:24] and yes, dhcpd.conf is set for that subnet [15:24] want me to pastebin [15:24] sure [15:24] u have a firewall running by any chance? [15:25] nope [15:26] http://pastebin.com/m513947a7 [15:28] seriously? [15:28] thats u're dhcpd.conf? [15:28] yeah [15:28] well there isn't even an image to grab [15:28] it was overwritten once by firestarter, which I've not started on this machine [15:28] yeah, I know [15:29] I need to get the DHCP part going first [15:29] theres no root path [15:29] well no, u need to do it correctly [15:29] the file is totally screwed up [15:29] u want me to paste mine so u can see? [15:29] yeah, sure [15:30] http://pastebin.com/m3ab4e1db [15:44] sorry, I replaced it with a backup [15:44] now it works fine [16:14] nubae: ping [16:15] RichEd: ping [16:16] LaserJock: pong [16:17] RichEd: couple things, 1) do you need anything from me on the US grades mapping? Lns said he sent you a wikipedia link that looked pretty useful [16:17] so K-6 = Primary and 7-12 = Secondary [16:18] 2) yesterday we worked on a new edubuntu.org homepage, could you take a quick look: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/61 [16:19] 2) give me a coupla mins ... to check out the page [16:20] 1) I think we have enough on the grade mapping for me to do a guideline for the package description [16:20] We'll go with something like: Pre-School Year [16:20] oops [16:20] We'll go with something like: [16:21] * Pre-School / Kindergarten { which is universal) [16:21] * Primary = Grade / Year / K1-6 [16:21] * Secondary = Grade / Year / K6-12 [16:22] * Tertiary = College / University [16:22] As you can see the age mapping is pretty diverse ... with Denmark +3 years and England -1 ! [16:22] yeah [16:23] A teacher or parent should know the school level of their kid ... so age is not so NB [16:23] RichEd: do you think it would be worth putting up a webpage version of that spreadsheet? [16:23] or is that too patronizing [16:23] LaserJock: yep ... I will do a wiki page and then someone can prettify and move to edubuntu.org [16:24] k, cool [16:24] I think it is of interest ... for teachers ... so say a US teacher can see what age his class maps to in Sweden [16:25] yeah, I hadn't thought of that. It might help with the community helping each other [16:25] sort of a "public service" [16:25] yep ... school peering / exchange projects etc [16:26] we wouls also like to move to: does your school want to link to other schools ... add your degtails here [16:26] Note also that Gavin McCullogh suggested (in Sevilla) as I mentioned briefly in the meeting that Adult education is an issue in some countries ... like Adult literacy for low income people [16:26] also similar need in Africa [16:26] yeah, I'd like to think about that some more [16:27] I don't have so much experience with the kidos [16:27] We should keep an eye out for Adult oriented stuff - they do not want to see "rubber duckies" when learning to read ... typing etc. is also an adult skill [16:27] we can look at that for 9.10 maybe ... extend to category 5 [16:28] yeah [16:35] cool, I even got a bite from my meeting minutes blog post http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/edubuntu-meeting-minutes-2/ [17:23] good morning [17:24] hi Ahmuck [18:34] FYI: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906 is new OOo Impress Slide Show pixmap issue URL [18:35] OpenOffice.org bug 97906 in Presentation "Starting "Slide Show" caches pixmap data excessively, crashing thin clients" [Defect,Unconfirmed: ] [18:43] hi, all [18:44] hi nothingman! [18:57] hey nothingman [19:13] RichEd: we've got quite some work to do to get Add/Remove to reflect reality :( [21:04] nubae: let me know when you've got a few minutes to talk about edubuntu.org [23:57] has edubuntu addressed internet filtering? [23:58] well, sorta [23:59] some time ago we worked on a easy to use, adaptive content filter [23:59] the problem with content filtering is that it's usually difficult to set up for a regular user