[00:34] <Sput> ScottK: what's bad about boys and beer with 17?
[00:35] <Sput> I would have killed my parents if they had wanted to chaperone me at that age :)
[00:35] <seele> Sput: culture class :)
[00:35] <Sput> or run away at least, to not get into jail for homicide :)
[00:37] <Sput> also, I learned a new word today: "chaperone"
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> there's also that whole "illegal" bit :P
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> while (age < 21){ beer == illegal; age++}
[00:50]  * neversfelde googles chaperone
[00:51] <neversfelde> aha Anstandsdame^^
[01:11] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I think a for loop might be better in that case ;)
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> my c++ skillz aren't all that good ^_^
[01:13] <nhandler> And you want 1 = not 2. That isn't even c++ specific. Those are just general programming things
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> Haha: http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> bindings ftbfs in -ninjas
[02:15] <jjesse> who does the kubuntu website again?
[02:17] <vorian> ryanakca
[02:17] <jjesse> thanks vorian
[02:17] <jjesse> ryanakca you will have mail :)
[02:17] <vorian> no problemo
[02:19] <ryanakca> jjesse: hurra!
[02:19] <jjesse> :)
[02:19] <ryanakca> jjesse: ... where did you send it to?
[02:19] <jjesse> ryanakca: writing still
[02:19] <ryanakca> jjesse: ah, ok
[02:19] <jjesse> ryanakca AT kubuntu dot .org
[02:19] <ryanakca> *nod*
[02:24] <jjesse> i thought riddell's email was jr @ ubuntu dot com is that not correct?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: he probably has many
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah, his LP page has like 5 email addys
[02:24] <jjesse> got a mail undeliverable
[02:25] <jjesse> ah jriddell @ ubuntu DOt com
[02:25] <jjesse> my mistake
[02:52] <ryanakca> jjesse: I've added writing a reply to my todo for tomorrow night, time for bed... sounds very doable, at least from my side (theming and linking to it from the rest of our sites)
[03:01] <jjesse> ryanakca: cool, i think it would be nice to hae the kbuuntu doc's available online + google friendly
[03:20] <vorian> Riddell: i was able to fix bug 298529
[03:21] <vorian> erm
[03:21] <vorian> bug 298592
[03:21] <vorian> that one :)
[05:08] <ScottK> Sput: That's about how she feels about it too (wants to kill us).
[05:09] <ScottK> Of course I'd feel differently if I was one of the 17 year old boys and not a father of one of the girls in question.
[05:21] <vorian> ok, i'm done for the night
[05:26] <DaSkreech> night
[06:37] <ScottK> Why oh why does kde4.mk.in have DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/tmp when none of the others do?
[06:37] <ScottK> It meant I had to redo all the .install files for quassel.
[06:37]  * ScottK grumbles about gratuitous incompatibility.
[06:43] <ScottK-laptop> So this is from the quassel git snapshot.
[06:44] <ScottK-laptop> Seems to work in the monolithic one.
[06:44] <ScottK-desktop> ScottK-laptop: Does the notification work in KDE?
[06:44] <ScottK-laptop> Got the sound, but not the popup.
[06:45] <ScottK-laptop> Right.
[06:45] <ScottK-desktop> ScottK-laptop: How about now.
[06:46] <ScottK-laptop> Works great if you turn off the focus stealing prevention.
[06:46] <ScottK-laptop> Doesn't look like a Gnome popup anymore either.
[06:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: I committed the quassel changes to bzr.  It's all wonderful (if perhaps feeling a bit hacky) except now quassel-core wants to depend on kde.
[06:54]  * ScottK is going to bed.  I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look at that.
[10:01] <Lure> check this out: http://www.zmogo.com/gear/the-new-year-linux-resolution-day-6/
[10:13] <Riddell> goodness
[10:26] <jussi01> Lure: did you get that digicam uploaded to the ppa yet?
[10:29] <jussi01> err... digikam :D
[11:35] <Lure> jussi01: it is in jaunty already
[11:36] <Lure> jussi01: and in digikam-experimental PPA for intrepid
[11:36] <jussi01> Lure: yeah, Im on intrepid though..
[11:36] <jussi01> ok
[11:36] <Lure> jussi01: then please test (as I do not have any intrepid around) ;-)
[11:36] <Lure> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive
[11:36] <jussi01> so digikam-experimentl, not the experimental with the 4.2  beta?
[11:36] <jussi01> ok
[11:37] <Lure> jussi01: it needs 4.2 packages though
[11:37] <Lure> at least libkexiv2, libkdcraw and libksane
[11:37] <jussi01> Lure: yeah, Im on the 4.2 intrepid
[11:37] <Lure> from kdegraphics
[11:37] <jussi01> just adding the repo
[11:38] <jussi01> Lure: will this auto update the old kde3 one I have?
[11:39] <Lure> jussi01: yes, as the package is named the same
[11:39] <jussi01> cool. installing now
[11:44] <jussi01> Lure: it sigsegv's...
[11:45] <jussi01> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102685/
[11:48] <Lure> jussi01: does marble work on your system?
[11:49] <Lure> jussi01:  it looks like marble widget is reading some strange directory for it's plugins
[11:49] <jussi01> marble?
[11:49] <Lure> jussi01: just run "marble"
[11:50] <jussi01> hrm, not installed
[11:50] <Lure> jussi01: ok, then you probably just have widget installed
[11:50] <Lure> jussi01: try removing .kde/share/config/marblerc
[11:51] <jussi01> Lure: it doesnt exist...
[11:51] <Lure> dpkg -l | grep marble
[11:52] <jussi01> jussi@aaaa:~$ dpkg -l | grep marble
[11:52] <jussi01> ii  libmarble4                                4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1            Marble globe widget library
[11:54] <Lure> jussi01: problem is that Plugin System Path: is empty
[11:54] <Lure> jussi01: can you try removing that package and re-installing?
[11:54] <jussi01> sure
[11:57] <jussi01> didnt help
[11:59] <Lure> jussi01: it seems you need to install marble-data: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-devel/2008-October/021612.html
[11:59] <jussi01> ahhh
[11:59] <jussi01> let me try
[11:59] <Lure> jussi01: I think we should fix libmarble4 packaging to depend on marble-data
[11:59] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[11:59] <jussi01> Lure: +1 on that
[11:59] <Lure> or marble developers should not crash if marble-data is not installed
[12:02] <jussi01> Lure: seems to work now :)
[12:02] <Lure> jussi01: good, please report if you have any problems/glitches that may be packaging dependand
[12:02] <Lure> jussi01: and same with kipi-plugins
[12:02] <jussi01> Lure: sure.
[12:03] <Lure> jussi01: will hunt some marble developers to fix kde bug 172830
[12:03] <jussi01> :)
[12:04] <Riddell> Lure: that sounds like a very good idea
[12:04] <Lure> Riddell: yep, I think it is actually not a packaging issue - they should work even w/o data
[12:05] <Lure> hello, any marble developers around that can comment kde bug 172830
[12:07] <Lure> sorry, wrong channel
[12:07] <Lure> ETOMANYCHANNELS ;-)
[13:00] <apachelogger> !info kgamma jaunty
[13:00] <apachelogger> NCommander: ^
[13:04] <jussi01> apachelogger: ping
[13:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: does kubotu do lastfm stuff?
[13:05] <apachelogger> jussi01: aye
[13:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: how does that work?
[13:05] <apachelogger> via their api I would say
[13:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: no, literally... can you show me here in channel?
[13:09] <apachelogger> ~np
[13:09] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Ringing Bells" by Mando Diao [Hurricane Bar, 2004] 18 hours ago
[13:10] <apachelogger> ~help lastfm
[13:10] <kubotu> lastfm [<user>] => show your or <user>'s now playing track at lastfm. np [<user>] => same as 'lastfm'. other topics: events, artist, album, track, now, set, who, compare
[13:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: could you pop kubotu into #ubuntustudio-devel?
[13:11] <jussi01> ~np
[13:11] <kubotu> jussi01 listened to "Ordinary Day" by Vanessa Carlton [Be Not Nobody, 2002] 4 months ago
[13:11] <jussi01> lol
[13:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #ubuntustudio-devel
[13:11] <jussi01> havent used lastfm for ages
[13:11] <jussi01> thanks apachelogger
[13:12]  * apachelogger continues the search for sensible openoffice api documentation
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> isn't openoffice documentation an oxymoron?
[13:15] <vorian> haha
[13:15] <vorian> Kubuntu Ninja’s - Packagers in Unicorn mode — This is by far the most melodramatic session title. One hour with Kubuntu hackers to find out what it’s all about! One thing’s for sure: Harald Sitter and Stephen Stalcup and talk to you about Kubuntu Packaging and how best to do it. It’s going to be great!
[13:16] <vorian> love the title
[13:16] <jussi01> lol, love it
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> my mom looked at me funny when I burst out laughing
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[13:17] <apachelogger> muahaha
[13:17] <apachelogger> I love the combinitaton of "One thing" and and and and and
[13:18]  * apachelogger switches to pony mode and continues search
[13:19] <Tm_T> pony boy, carry me home
[13:29] <Lure> who is doing 4.2rc packages?
[13:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any chance you could look at quassel?
[13:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: not before tomorrow
[13:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  I'll ping you then if I don't get it sorted.
[13:36] <apachelogger> ok
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Lure: apachelogger, myself, nhandler, vorian and Riddell
[13:46] <Lure> JontheEchidna: whoever is doing kdeedu, can it fix Depends for Marble (move libmarble4 should depend on marble-data)
[13:46] <Lure> see kde bug 172830
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> Lure: perfect, I'm doing kdeedu :-)
[13:46] <vorian> haha
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> or rather, did last night
[13:47] <vorian> re-do
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah, if it fixes a bug then it's definitely worth redoing
[13:47] <Lure> JontheEchidna: great, it fixes crasher bug on digikam
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> actually if it's just adding a dependency I don't think I'll need to re-testbuild edu
[13:48]  * Lure has to get used to new Kubuntu ninja's nickname 
[13:48] <Lure> ;-)
[13:50] <vorian> me too
[13:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:51] <apachelogger> I have to download an external tool to inspect an object in openoffice basic
[13:51] <apachelogger> what the heck
[14:00] <Lure> which ninja did fixes for armel architecture? I have some qreal/double problems in digikam...
[14:00] <Lure> not sure if this should be just solved with casting
[14:00] <Lure> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21038146/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.digikam_2:0.10.0~beta8-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:02] <Riddell> Lure: NCommander is your man for that
[14:03] <Riddell> Lure: I hope you havn't been winding up annma too much :)
[14:06] <Lure> Riddell: that was not my intention and I hope everything is fine ;-)
[14:13] <Lure> vorian: I found them: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas
[14:13] <Lure> vorian:  and you are one of them ;-)
[14:18] <vorian> OHMY!!
[14:20] <Riddell> Lure: yeah it's entirely normal, upstreams always get upset when packagers do anything wrong to their apps
[14:28]  * Nightrose doesn't - she just goes and borrows Hobbsee's Long Pointy Stick Of Doooooooooooom
[14:28] <Nightrose> :P
[14:28] <Tm_T> noooooo
[14:28] <Nightrose> yes!
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> that stick is even scarier than pinotree!
[14:29] <Nightrose> *lol*
[14:29] <Tm_T> pin-o-tree
[14:29] <Nightrose> pino is cuddly
[14:29] <Nightrose> not scary
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> you've obviously never messed up his app :P
[14:29] <Nightrose> *lol* i didn't indeed
[14:30] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: which one of them?
[14:30] <Tm_T> and how many times?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> okular, once
[14:30] <Tm_T> bah
[14:30] <Riddell> twice
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> twice?
[14:30]  * Tm_T used to mess his head too
[14:30] <Riddell> well, kpdf
[14:31] <Riddell> replacing kpdf's internal xpdf with poppler
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> well, that one wasn't me :P
[14:31] <Riddell> and the kwin size rules for okular which broke full screen PDFs
[14:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what did you do?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> added a patch that took away the stupid multiple status popups during search
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> though looking at how search is done now in 4.2 I'm sure the only difference is implementation ;-)
[14:35] <Lure> Riddell: do you know if armel will be added to PPA?
[14:36] <Lure> would help in testing armel fixes
[14:38] <Riddell> Lure: I doubt it, I wouldn't let it block an upload though, NCommander or someone can come along and fix it later if it's needed
[14:45] <Lure> Riddell: I can probably fix this build failure, but it may take several uploads to fix all problems (since I do not have armel)
[14:46] <Lure> Riddell: will ask nhandler if there is simplier way (like turn some warnings on), to find potential armel build issues
[14:46] <ScottK> Lure: NCommander, not nhandler.
[14:53] <Lure> ScottK: thanks for correcting me
[14:53]  * Lure is bad with new nicknames ;-)
[15:20] <Lure> JontheEchidna: if you want to follow marble packaging issue, you may want to subscribe to kde bug 172830
[15:21] <Lure> JontheEchidna: debian developers now got involved in discussion, we just need Marble developer to make final call
[15:21] <Lure> for the time being adding depends is still good enough workaround
[15:39] <Lure> should usb automount work in intrepid also for kde3 apps
[15:39] <Lure> 16:00 < Morydd> any ideas why, after upgrading to Ubuntu Intrepid (and consequently Digikam 0.9.4), digiKam no longer automatically opens when I connect the camera?
[15:39] <Lure> or this works just for kde4?
[15:57] <jussi01> ~np
[15:57] <kubotu> jussi01 is listening to "Run" by Snow Patrol
[15:58] <Riddell> ~np
[15:58] <kubotu> Riddell listened to "She's The One(Ft. Royce Da 5'9" by Eminem 2 years ago
[15:58] <Riddell> !
[15:58] <Riddell> I think that's a different riddell
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> ~lastfm
[15:58] <kubotu> dualscreenman listened to "In The End" by Izzo 3 days ago
[15:58] <jjesse_> not an eminem fan?
[15:59] <Riddell> eminem is not within my collection and it's not what lastfm is currently playing me
[15:59] <jpds> Hahaha.
[16:05] <vorian> ~np
[16:05] <kubotu> vorian listened to "Disconnect the Dots" by of Montreal 5 weeks ago
[16:05] <vorian> wha?
[16:06] <ScottK> ~np
[16:06] <kubotu> ScottK hasn't played anything recently
[16:07] <ScottK> That's right at least.
[16:07] <vorian> i don't even know who Montreal is ...
[16:07] <jjesse_> ~np jjesse
[16:07] <kubotu> jjesse hasn't played anything recently
[16:09] <smarter> ~np
[16:09] <kubotu> smarter listened to "When I'm Sixty-Four" by The Beatles [Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, 1990] 3 weeks ago
[16:10] <smarter> hmm, I probably disabled the lastfm plugin in amarok somehow
[17:17] <ScottK> Sput: If I build quassel with -DWITH_KDE=ON then quassel-core gets built depending on kde.
[17:18] <ScottK> Dropping just that flag fixes it, so I suspect you are requiring something for all packages with -DWITH_KDE=ON that should just be for quassel and quassel-client.
[17:18] <ScottK> Sput: Help.
[17:20] <Riddell> run ldd on the libaries and binaries see what depends on what kde library
[17:27] <Sput> ScottK: well, enabling it creates a proper KDE binary for the core (which mean, it parses KDE's command line options)
[17:27] <Sput> I guess that's not needed necessarily?
[17:28] <ScottK> Well I really don't want to run KDE or even X on my server were the core is living.
[17:28] <ScottK> Sput: ^^
[17:29] <Sput> of course, I was thinking that for such cases you can just build it with -DWITH_KDE=0, but I guess for packagers it's easier to just ignore that flag for the core
[17:29] <cbr> hmm.. why do i have eth2?
[17:29] <cbr> but no eth0?
[17:30] <Sput> I can change that I guess
[17:30] <cbr> hmm.. i changed linux-firmware or smth cuz nothing depended on it
[17:30] <cbr> seems that my iwl3945 needs it though
[17:30] <ScottK> Sput: Yes.  Please.
[17:42] <Sput> crap. ScottK: this is not trivial, I'm afraid, and I probably won't be able to solve that problem tonight
[17:42] <Sput> a few things in our common lib (to be used by both core and UI) have different code paths for KDE or ont
[17:42] <Sput> *not
[17:43] <ScottK> Sput: OK.  I'll wait then.  This is part of why I wanted to do an early snapshot.
[17:43] <Sput> yep, I should be able to commit something tomorrow
[17:44] <ScottK> Great.
[17:44] <ScottK> Just let me know and I'll pull another snapshot.  Please don't break other stuff in the meantime.
[17:44] <Sput> I'm trying hard to :)
[17:47]  * ScottK is now officially out of excuses for procastinating $WORK.  Darn.
[17:52] <Sput> meh
[17:52] <Sput> go rewrite our CliParser in an AbstractCliParser that can then be instiated with or without KDE support :)
[17:52] <Sput> that should keep you procrastinating for another hour or so
[17:55] <ScottK-desktop> That'd be about 6 months as I'd have to learn how to program in something other than Python first.
[17:55] <LaserJock> ScottK: woah, wait! you $WORK!!! ;-)
[17:55] <ScottK-desktop> Not so far.  Still procrastinating on IRC.
[21:37] <doc__> hi there o/
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> \o
[21:41] <ScottK> \o/
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> o-/<
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> o-\<
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> o-/<
[21:54] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:55] <Nightrose> o/
[21:56] <doc__> \o/\o/\o\\\///o
[21:56] <Nightrose> doc__ is doing it wrong!
[21:56] <Nightrose> :(
[21:57] <doc__> :P
[22:00] <doc__> i'm constipated... and getting more and more crazy haha
[22:13] <ScottK> doc__: Too much information.
[22:14] <doc__> ScottK: :P
[23:44] <jussi01> ScottK: you got to learn the factoids :D
[23:44] <jussi01> !tmi | doc__
[23:49] <doc__> ops... sorry :/
[23:50] <jussi01> lol
[23:50]  * jussi01 has no idea why he is up at this time