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| karlp | man ppmtojpeg brings up a man page for pnmtojpeg | 01:20 |
|---|---|---|
| karlp | anyone else get this? | 01:20 |
| andersk | Yes, that's expected. | 01:21 |
| andersk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-06-02 14:51 /usr/bin/ppmtojpeg -> pnmtojpeg | 01:21 |
| andersk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2008-06-02 14:51 /usr/share/man/man1/ppmtojpeg.1.gz -> pnmtojpeg.1.gz | 01:21 |
| karlp | oh all right, nvm | 01:22 |
| x1250 | does anyone have a working 3D acceleration (hardware, not software rendering) with xserver-xorg-video-ati? I don't seem able to get it. LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo shows some problems with drmOpenDevice (Open failed). Strange thing is that drmOpenDevice does not fail in Xorg.0.log! Odd stuff. | 03:31 |
| x1250 | xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102522/ | 03:31 |
| x1250 | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102521/ | 03:32 |
| x1250 | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102518/ | 03:32 |
| x1250 | AFAICT, it should work. But it doesn't :) | 03:33 |
| DanaG | Oh hey, is there any way to get PulseAudio to do arbitrary things on insertion of particular devices? | 03:49 |
| lucent | like, what? | 03:49 |
| DanaG | Specifically, I want it to load a module when I plug in a device: | 03:49 |
| DanaG | load-module module-mmkbd-evdev device=/dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:1d.2-usb-0:1:1.3-event- sink=alsa_output.usb_device_10f5_200_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 | 03:49 |
| lucent | oh | 03:50 |
| DanaG | When I plug in the thing that has both audio device and hid device (meaning it can trigger on either), I want it to run that. | 03:50 |
| lucent | that's a little over my head :/ | 03:50 |
| DanaG | It's a USB sound card with a HID device. | 03:50 |
| DanaG | I've already done HAL and UDEV stuff to make it readable by all and not grabbed by xorg. | 03:51 |
| x1250 | DanaG, no idea if this helps, but I remember that on hardy I picked up a code that disabled my touchpad when inserting a usb mouse. Take a look at the README here: /etc/udev/rules.d | 03:55 |
| x1250 | oh, you did it already | 03:56 |
| DanaG | Well, all except for the load-module bit. | 03:57 |
| x1250 | DanaG, tried running a script with the RUN+="" syntax? No idea if it would work though :) | 04:01 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I wonder if adding root to pulse-access would mean it'd run for all users for that device. | 04:02 |
| DanaG | Granted, it's a 1-user system, anyway. | 04:02 |
| x1250 | I don't know, I really dislike pulseaudio; Almost the only thing I know about it is pulseaudio -k :) | 04:03 |
| x1250 | SYSFS{idVendor}=="0403", SYSFS{idProduct}=="fe71", RUN+="/lib/brltty/brltty.sh -b bm -d usb:" | 04:04 |
| x1250 | see the RUN+= script.sh... | 04:04 |
| x1250 | maybe you could load your stuff in a similar way | 04:04 |
| x1250 | I'm talking out of ignorance, haven't done it, don't know if it will work. | 04:05 |
| lucent | uh... "gnome" is not installed | 04:14 |
| lucent | that's weird, something happen in the recent update? | 04:14 |
| lucent | ubuntu-desktop not depending on gnome | 04:14 |
| x1250 | nah, thats ok. gnome has some other dependencies. Take a look to: aptitude show gnome. | 04:16 |
| lucent | oh yeah | 04:17 |
| lucent | I just noticed that after the recent update, gnome-volume-manager was not installed | 04:17 |
| lucent | wondering if I fix that by apt-get install gnome | 04:17 |
| crdlb | you don't need that anymore | 04:18 |
| lucent | ohhh | 04:18 |
| lucent | devkit? | 04:18 |
| crdlb | it's not installed by default on intrepid either | 04:18 |
| lucent | I'm curious :) | 04:18 |
| lucent | or maybe I am just confused | 04:18 |
| crdlb | nautilus handles it now, or at least most of it | 04:18 |
| lucent | it stopped working and my theme engine is crashing, so I'm overdue for a reboot or log out log back in anyways | 04:19 |
| lucent | probably not a problem I'm just speculating the wrong way :) | 04:19 |
| lucent | crdlb: how to configure removable devices though? I don't see an obvious entry in System | prefs | 04:22 |
| crdlb | open a nautilus window and go to edit->prefs->media | 04:23 |
| lucent | ha, thanks | 04:24 |
| crdlb | stock gnome puts nautilus preferences in the preferences menu but ubuntu removed it to cut down on the number of entries | 04:24 |
| x1250 | thats a nice thing to do, it was getting a "little" crowded :) | 04:29 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 | 04:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic (dup-of: 313027)" [Undecided,New] | 04:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 313027 in fglrx-installer "MASTER: fglrx does not support xserver 1.6" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 04:47 |
| DanaG | I just love how somebody marked my bug a duplicate of an entirely UNRELATED issue. | 04:47 |
| * DanaG marks an apple as a duplicate of an orange. | 04:49 | |
| DanaG | s/as // | 04:49 |
| DanaG | X.Org X Server 1.5.2 | 04:54 |
| DanaG | NOT DUPLICATE. | 04:54 |
| * DanaG unmarks dupe. | 04:56 | |
| * DanaG thinks the person who marked it a dupe probably thought, "oh, jaunty + fglrx == dupe", and didn't actually read the report. | 05:00 | |
| tretle | hi, I have a 7.1 sound system hooked up to the pc through a 7.1 hd sound card, I cant set the individual settings for the front, side back, sub etc in the new sound applet though | 05:01 |
| DanaG | What new sound applet, anyway? | 05:01 |
| DanaG | Handy hint: choose the real sound card device as default mixer, and go to Preferences in gnome-volume-control to enable other sliders. | 05:01 |
| tretle | the new one in 9.04 | 05:02 |
| tretle | but I cant choose any other one in the preferences anymore | 05:02 |
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| tretle | just my usb mic on my webcam and what it says is alsa but is obviously pulse | 05:03 |
| DanaG | hmm, go to console and aplay -l (lowercase l) | 05:04 |
| DanaG | then alsamixer -c# where # is 0 or 1 or 2 or whatever. | 05:04 |
| tretle | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** | 05:05 |
| tretle | card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog] | 05:05 |
| tretle | Subdevices: 0/1 | 05:05 |
| tretle | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 05:05 |
| tretle | card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital] | 05:05 |
| tretle | Subdevices: 1/1 | 05:05 |
| tretle | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 05:05 |
| DanaG | hmm, then something's up with the gnome-volume-control. | 05:05 |
| lucent | dang, lvm initramfs broke recently | 05:07 |
| lucent | initramfs is not running "lvm vgchange -ay" | 05:08 |
| tretle | well I like the new layout, only problem is it tells me its alsa in the preferences but I know its pulse and pulse doesnt have 7.1 compatibility out of box... on the good side though my webcam usb mic finally works and is easy find and set up to boot :D | 05:08 |
| DanaG | oh yeah, handy hint: edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and set default-sample-channels=8 | 05:09 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and... my USB sound card support 2 channels or 8 channels... but not 6, for some reason. =þ | 05:10 |
| DanaG | So I have it set to 6 default, and it goes up to 8. | 05:10 |
| DanaG | s/support/supports/ | 05:10 |
| tretle | cool, is pulseaudio supposed to switch the default channels depending on the sound card instead of having people manually change the channel? | 05:16 |
| DanaG | It mixes stuff to different numbers of channels. | 05:19 |
| DanaG | Spiffy. | 05:19 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and handy hint: disable-lfe-remixing | 05:20 |
| DanaG | Otherwise it copies each channel to sub, and becomes too bassey. | 05:20 |
| lucent | interesting bug... I close the laptop lid and the theme engine crashes | 05:21 |
| lucent | what could cause that? | 05:21 |
| tretle | brb | 05:23 |
| DanaG | On my old laptop, closing the lid made the audididididididididio glitch out, as illustrated by that repeating double letter. =þ | 05:28 |
| cowbud | lucent: does dmesg show the button entry that is pushed when the lid is closed? | 05:31 |
| lucent | cowbud: why would it be in dmesg? | 05:39 |
| tretle | hmmmm.... changing the default channel from 2 to 6 and 8 doesnt seem to add any more controls to gnome-sound applet or pulse audio manager | 05:41 |
| lucent | cowbud: [ 2836.948789] gnome-settings-[7721]: segfault at 8 ip b720bbeb sp bfc7d930 error 4 in libxrandr.so[b7207000+7000] | 05:41 |
| DanaG | wait, what applet? The mixer_applet2 has its own "default mixer" setting. | 05:42 |
| lucent | I guess that explains it | 05:42 |
| DanaG | Try running gnome-volume-control | 05:42 |
| cowbud | lucent: well if it is a special button for your laptop it typically would show up in dmesg. That segfault is interesting though, I would file a bug with that trash and put in your model of laptop etc etc | 05:42 |
| * DanaG is glad to have a serial-over-lan console. | 05:43 | |
| DanaG | It means I can get stacktraces from kernel panics. :) | 05:43 |
| cowbud | DanaG: you have it connected constantly? | 05:43 |
| DanaG | Yeah, I have console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 on boot parameters. | 05:43 |
| DanaG | and I even added a getty to ttyS0. | 05:43 |
| DanaG | It's AMT Serial-Over-Lan. | 05:43 |
| cowbud | right, so you also have a terminal on it as well? | 05:44 |
| cowbud | constantly? | 05:44 |
| DanaG | I don't always keep another computer connected, but when I find panics, they're often reproducible. | 05:44 |
| cowbud | ah | 05:44 |
| DanaG | So I'll connect the thing, reboot, and then grab it. | 05:44 |
| cowbud | no n8 option on your console line eh | 05:44 |
| DanaG | I just wish the amtterm didn't write to stdIN... so I could pipe the dang thing. | 05:44 |
| DanaG | Only oddity: sometimes the port seems to get bogged down, and stalls a bit. | 05:45 |
| DanaG | I must be using it a bit too fast. =þ | 05:45 |
| DanaG | 115200 is what it is. | 05:45 |
| DanaG | One time I moved console=ttyS0 to the end, so stdin and stdout were there instead, and then booted single... and fixed stuff. | 05:46 |
| DanaG | ... then resumed, and thought nothing of it when the getty popped up. | 05:46 |
| DanaG | I then realized I wanted another console on the thing... and went to connect to my ssh server on it... and then realized.... the network interfaces were down. =þ | 05:47 |
| tretle | yeah gnome-volume-control is the gnome panel applet I'm talking about | 05:47 |
| DanaG | SOL (Serial-Over-LAN) works, too. | 05:47 |
| DanaG | mixer_applet2 is the panel applet; gnome-volume-control is the full mixer utility. | 05:48 |
| tretle | stuck with one volume slider een though I have a 7.1 system and have pulse audio set to 8 channels | 05:48 |
| DanaG | look in the preferences menu. | 05:48 |
| DanaG | And make sure the selected device is the real sound card, not the pulseaudio volume control. Then again, on mine, I don't have independent sliders on the USB sound card, either. | 05:48 |
| DanaG | ( oh yeah, too -> no matter what state the OS is in) | 05:49 |
| tretle | the preferences shoes all the inputs but they dont show up in gnome-volume-control | 05:49 |
| DanaG | The pavucontrol gives per-channel volume controls for me instead. | 05:49 |
| DanaG | Checkmarks decide what the app shows and hides. | 05:49 |
| DanaG | Check them all, and hit OK. | 05:49 |
| tretle | its also called HDA Nvidia(alsa mixer even though I think its using pulse audio, if not then pulse audio has disapeared from preferences | 05:50 |
| cowbud | gnome-alsamixer | 05:52 |
| tretle | not installed | 05:52 |
| cowbud | so install it? | 05:53 |
| tretle | but id like to use pulse | 05:53 |
| tretle | if i can get it to work | 05:53 |
| DanaG | what does alsamixer -c0 on terminal show? | 05:53 |
| DanaG | If there are volume controls there... you should be able to check them in Preferences in gnome-volume-control. | 05:54 |
| tretle | a picture is worth a thousand words | 05:58 |
| tretle | http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/986/gahtv4.png | 05:58 |
| tretle | no check box's | 05:59 |
| tretle | Its also wrecking my head as Im not sure whether its alsa or pulse labelled as alsa | 05:59 |
| DanaG | oh... you have to open the MIXER first. | 06:00 |
| tretle | If you have per application volume control in gnome-volume-manager does that mean its pulse? | 06:00 |
| DanaG | Oh, what the heck? The "Open Volume Control" NO LONGER WORKS! | 06:00 |
| tretle | right click and preferences | 06:01 |
| DanaG | That's broken. | 06:01 |
| DanaG | I just checked on mine. | 06:01 |
| DanaG | Wow. | 06:01 |
| DanaG | That's really, really stupid. | 06:01 |
| tretle | are you using pulse? | 06:02 |
| DanaG | Yeah. | 06:03 |
| DanaG | But I usually like to still have my real device mixer available. | 06:03 |
| DanaG | Can't select input source with pavucontrol, after all. | 06:03 |
| tretle | does the preferences dialog report it as being pulse audio or alsa like mine? | 06:03 |
| DanaG | I have mine set to HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) | 06:04 |
| DanaG | ** (gnome-volume-control:18574): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.VolumeControl | 06:04 |
| DanaG | ** (gnome-volume-control:18574): WARNING **: Could not acquire name on session bus | 06:04 |
| DanaG | Aaaaah, so that's the answer. | 06:04 |
| DanaG | gnome-volume-control is broken. | 06:04 |
| tretle | kind of relived thats its not a hardware specific issue and its being reported as alsa else where too | 06:05 |
| DanaG | Heh, the sound preferences thing in the Preferences menu... offers not much. | 06:07 |
| DanaG | And it shows "HDA Intel - ADI198x Analog" twice. =þ | 06:07 |
| DanaG | And it shows "HDA Intel - ADI198x Analog" twice. =þ | 06:07 |
| * DanaG "double-posts" to be funny. =þ | 06:07 | |
| DanaG | But this lack of mixer controls sucks. | 06:08 |
| DanaG | Lovely... unplugging the USB sound card... killed PA daemon. | 06:10 |
| tretle | indeed, the lack of channel detection with pulse kind of sucks also | 06:10 |
| DanaG | Heh, no battery warning sound, either. | 06:11 |
| DanaG | And no way to choose which devices get what app. | 06:13 |
| DanaG | er, transpose devices and app, and reverse plurals. | 06:14 |
| DanaG | which apps get which devices. | 06:14 |
| tretle | well i hadnt noticed that because I only have two available including the webcam... in an ideal worl though you should be able to choose to send streams to each individual speaker in a 2.1 5.1 or 7.1 system | 06:15 |
| tretle | DanaG - so you can control all output devices from pavcontrol but not gnome-volume-manager? | 06:23 |
| DanaG | pavucontrol has some controls; alsamixer has the most. | 06:43 |
| DanaG | I use flash->onboard stereo speakers | 06:43 |
| DanaG | and music / movies / games -> offboard surround | 06:43 |
| DanaG | simultaneously. | 06:43 |
| cowbud | DanaG: you cna set that shit up to do that? | 06:52 |
| DanaG | watch the overuse of profanity -- try to reserve it for exclamations, not for use as nouns. =þ | 06:53 |
| DanaG | Anyway, you can use pavucontrol to do that. | 06:53 |
| DanaG | Set one (onboard) as default, and then right-click an app and move it to another device. | 06:53 |
| DanaG | That way, if a web site plays audio, I just mute it. Nice. | 06:54 |
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| BUGabundo | good morning | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo | is anyone seeing new bugs about ssh keys? | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo | maybe gnome-keyring (2.25.4.1-0ubuntu1) ? | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo_work | my ssh key got renamed some how today, and I couldn't access bzr.lp | 10:09 |
| tawmas | Hello | 11:35 |
| tawmas | I'd need someone who could confirm if they can still reproduce bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/315373 | 11:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 315373 in hal "nautilus segfaults on insertion or removal of removable media" [Medium,Confirmed] | 11:45 |
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| pwuertz | do you know whats the status of the nvidia driver in 9.04? is there a supported package in the repository or I have to install it by myself? | 12:07 |
| vega | pwuertz: packages.ubuntu.com | 12:13 |
| vega | and sure it is in the repository, but don't know what you mean by "supported" | 12:14 |
| vega | ubuntu cannot support binary restricted packages | 12:14 |
| pwuertz | vega: by "supported" I mean "does ubuntu support the installation of the binary drivers"... because http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2 says that due to the xserver upgrade the binary drivers do not work yet | 12:18 |
| pwuertz | and by "do you know whats the status of the nvidia driver in 9.04" I meant "is this problem fixed yet?" | 12:20 |
| vega | ok, don't know then as i'm using os drivers | 12:24 |
| vega | is the bug report closed? | 12:24 |
| vega | seems not, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410 | 12:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] | 12:25 |
| corden | can't wait to have this version ;) | 12:30 |
| Nicekiwi9 | hurro | 12:30 |
| Nicekiwi9 | how can i upgrade from kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 alpha 2? | 12:30 |
| corden | does somebody tried updating 8.04 to 9.04? | 12:31 |
| corden | just asking ;) | 12:31 |
| pwuertz | ah I see.. thanks vega | 12:32 |
| BUGabundo_work | Nicekiwi9: update-manager -d | 12:33 |
| BUGabundo_work | corden: I did upgrade | 12:33 |
| BUGabundo_work | even before Alpha 1 | 12:34 |
| Nicekiwi9 | that dosent work, im in Kubuntu | 12:34 |
| corden | does 9.04 damage your 8.04? | 12:34 |
| corden | currently using 8.04, no plans to use 8.04 | 12:35 |
| corden | i mean 8.10 | 12:35 |
| SwedeMike | I tried upgrading 8.10 to 9.04, fonts were screwed up, tried to fix it, couldn't, so I reverted using a backup. fresh install of 9.04 worked better, though | 12:35 |
| corden | currently using 8.04, no plans to use 8.10 | 12:35 |
| corden | i guess i need to download 9.10 | 12:36 |
| mvo | when going from 8.10 to 9.04 it is a full upgrade, no going back (except for installing a backup or installing a new) | 12:36 |
| corden | i hope the next LTS will come out soon | 12:36 |
| corden | but i guess it would be 10.04 | 12:37 |
| corden | downloading jack | 12:39 |
| Nicekiwi9 | =( dose no-one know? | 12:41 |
| tiyowan | Hi. :) | 13:26 |
| tiyowan | I just had a small question about the upcoming Jaunty. Do you any of you folks have any info whether there's any chance that we can get ATI DRI2 running on it? | 13:27 |
| grapz_ | Anyone know when nvidia-glx-180.22 package will be available for Jaunty? (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/180.22-0ubuntu1) | 15:37 |
| MTecknology | Is Jaunty supposed to have any features added to it | 15:44 |
| MTecknology | better question - roadmap - sorry, I'll go to google | 15:45 |
| MTecknology | hrm - I didn't realize how far off it still was... I guess I'll stick with 8.10 :P | 15:46 |
| Pici | 9.04 = April | 15:46 |
| MTecknology | ya, I was thinking 4 was next month... idk why | 15:46 |
| Pici | o.OP | 15:47 |
| * MTecknology runs off to reinstall system from scratch | 15:47 | |
| MTecknology | bbl | 15:48 |
| mphill | MTecknology: probably not. GNOME hasn't changed much at all over the last 12 releases or more. I'm sure 3.0 will be a joke. At least KDE had some balls when they came out with 4.0 (fyi I'm a GNOME user). | 16:44 |
| steven_ | Hi everyone. | 16:46 |
| mphill | hi | 16:46 |
| spitfire__ | mphill: KDE4 is more broken than vista. | 16:47 |
| spitfire__ | I wouldn't like to see that happening to gnome. | 16:48 |
| MTecknology | mphill: I don't use Gnome on that system. It's a cli system built from the minimal cd | 16:48 |
| MTecknology | mphill: I want to just start using 8.04 but there's no minimal cd for it... | 16:50 |
| MTecknology | I don't use things like evolution, eog, ekiga, etc and I like not having them after I install :P | 16:51 |
| MTecknology | or is there a way to do that from the alternate install cd? | 16:51 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: why not remove that after install? | 16:52 |
| spitfire__ | Search help on debian-installer, ubuntu alternate cds are based on it. | 16:52 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: because I don't know what all the extras that are installed are | 16:52 |
| spitfire__ | if you want to remove all gui-related stuff remove libgtk :P | 16:53 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: so you're saying make a minimal cd off the daily build? | 16:53 |
| spitfire__ | and all dependencies will follow. | 16:53 |
| MTecknology | ok | 16:53 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: daily? | 16:53 |
| spitfire__ | I didn't mention daily. | 16:54 |
| spitfire__ | You can try whatever version you want. | 16:54 |
| MTecknology | I like that remove libgtk idea | 16:54 |
| spitfire__ | Uninstalling libgtk, and qt should pull everything down. | 16:54 |
| spitfire__ | don't forget qt. | 16:54 |
| spitfire__ | I dont know what;s the package name | 16:55 |
| MTecknology | oh - please don't ask me why I try to make the smallest installation I can w/ my laptop that has a 250GB HD... I'm obsessed w/ speed, battery life, size on that thing. Every other desktop/server I use a regular install | 16:56 |
| MTecknology | I suppose I like fewer updates to packages too... | 16:57 |
| spitfire__ | "I suppose I like fewer updates to packages too..." what do you mean? | 16:58 |
| MTecknology | less packages installed, less packages that get updates | 17:00 |
| spitfire__ | you can block updates :P | 17:01 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: but bloching updates on alpha is a BAD idea. | 17:02 |
| MTecknology | block updates? | 17:02 |
| MTecknology | It's like I said though - it's an obsession that I limit to my laptop. It'd take a lot to keep me from playing w/ it in this way :P | 17:03 |
| mphill | Ubuntu only has ~650 meg live installers | 17:07 |
| spitfire__ | mphill: yo're talking about daily-live? | 17:07 |
| spitfire__ | or what? | 17:07 |
| mphill | i don't know | 17:07 |
| mphill | just trying to read things that were said early and piece it together | 17:08 |
| MTecknology | I'm burning a daily alternate right now | 17:08 |
| mphill | MTecknology: what are you trying to accomplish? | 17:08 |
| MTecknology | mphill: smallest, leanest, fastest ubuntu installation possible | 17:09 |
| mphill | maybe JeOS? | 17:10 |
| mphill | or debbootstrap | 17:10 |
| Pici | !minimal | 17:11 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 17:11 |
| MTecknology | Pici: not available for 9.04 yet ;) | 17:11 |
| MTecknology | I'm already burning though ;) | 17:11 |
| Pici | MTecknology: Install 8.10 minimal and upgrade then | 17:12 |
| MTecknology | Pici: I was going to install the alternernate of 9.04 and remove libgtk and everything qt | 17:12 |
| mphill | wow, 10 megs, thats pretty damn small | 17:14 |
| mphill | even debian business is like 40 megs | 17:14 |
| MTecknology | ya | 17:15 |
| MTecknology | so - which is better..... | 17:15 |
| mphill | oh no. distro wars | 17:15 |
| MTecknology | 8.10 upgrade from minimal cd - or 9.04 cli install removing all gtk apps | 17:15 |
| MTecknology | or will the cli install give me the exact same thing?? | 17:17 |
| mphill | i think if you remove gtk there is still going to be a bunch of stuff left over | 17:17 |
| mphill | there are tons of things that go into ubuntu that do not have GTK as a dependency | 17:17 |
| MTecknology | will the cli install give me any of that gtk stuff though? | 17:18 |
| Pici | MTecknology: You mean the Alternate CD? | 17:18 |
| MTecknology | ya | 17:18 |
| Pici | That installs everything that the Desktop CD does. | 17:18 |
| MTecknology | the "Command Line" installation option from it | 17:18 |
| Pici | I'm not sure | 17:18 |
| MTecknology | My guess is the minimal cd dloads everything to come up with a cli install | 17:19 |
| MTecknology | mphill: do you know? | 17:20 |
| mphill | If the minimal just does net install I think it would ultimately be the same. | 17:22 |
| mphill | but the installer should ask you what you want to install, select absolutly nothing | 17:22 |
| MTecknology | Alrighty, thanks for the help | 17:24 |
| MTecknology | I | 17:24 |
| MTecknology | I'm excited to start playing w/ 9.04. I just hope there aren't any issues like last time where aptitude full-upgrade tried to remove a good portion of the system | 17:25 |
| MTecknology | Is it bad that I trust Ubuntu enough to be essentially stable enough to use on the only system I have for school 3 months before the release? | 17:27 |
| mphill | i think you can do an install . | 17:31 |
| MTecknology | ext4 is available...... | 17:32 |
| * MTecknology is struck w/ curiousity | 17:32 | |
| MTecknology | I've been using reiserfs for a few resons... 1. ext3 takes a heck of a long time w/ disk checks 2. reiserfs gives me significantly better battery life 3. i forgot the other reason | 17:33 |
| mphill | my mom is running jaunty | 17:33 |
| MTecknology | How will that compare w/ ext4? | 17:33 |
| mphill | fsck is like 2 to 20 times faster | 17:34 |
| MTecknology | and w/ battery consumption? | 17:34 |
| MTecknology | any benchmarks yet? | 17:34 |
| mphill | phoronix.com does i think | 17:36 |
| mphill | from what i recall it wasn't earth shattering | 17:36 |
| MTecknology | earth shattering better/worse ? | 17:37 |
| MTecknology | looks like better | 17:37 |
| ccooke | I'm looking forward to 9.04 because it should be the first release where 64-bit on the desktop is a truly viable option | 17:40 |
| MTecknology | I have a 64bit system | 17:41 |
| MTecknology | Phoronix is a pretty awesome site.... | 17:41 |
| MTecknology | very detailed w/ this comaprison | 17:41 |
| ccooke | (The native 64-bit flash and java plugins mean I don't have to muck around with a 32-bit browser when I need to log into vendor websites for work) | 17:41 |
| MTecknology | I already don't do that - but the ia32libs are there | 17:43 |
| MTecknology | anyway - Ext4 over ReiserFS is the decision | 17:43 |
| ccooke | MTecknology: Two points: 1) What article are you looking at? 2) ia32libs will let you run a 32-bit browser, but it isn't integrated into Ubuntu. It won't update properly with the rest of the system. | 17:44 |
| MTecknology | www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13199 | 17:44 |
| ccooke | For my work laptop, I want it to *work*. Reliably, and the way I need it to. That means logging into vendor websites that make heavy use of flash interfaces (mostly sorted for 64-bit with nspluginwrapper) and java applets (utterly broken in 64-bit) | 17:45 |
| ccooke | Thanks! | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | I know that feeling | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | It's nice to only need to worry about GoDaddy now | 17:46 |
| MTecknology | I work at a Hy-Vee instead of w/ computer. I just couldn't handle the pricks I was working with | 17:46 |
| MTecknology | long story - I should write a blog about it | 17:47 |
| ccooke | Why do you worry about GoDaddy? | 17:50 |
| MTecknology | dns | 17:50 |
| ccooke | MTecknology: ext4 looks like a clear winner over reiserfs, according to that | 17:50 |
| ccooke | ah, yes. I avoided them due to hearing too many horror stories. | 17:50 |
| MTecknology | ya, I found others that say rfs is still a contendor - but we'll see | 17:51 |
| MTecknology | what do you use? | 17:51 |
| MTecknology | I hate godaddy | 17:51 |
| MTecknology | 9.04 offers the option to encrypt your home directory w/o pass - seamless encryption | 17:52 |
| MTecknology | Nice | 17:52 |
| MTecknology | ccooke: I might be up for switching to what you use for dns | 17:53 |
| ccooke | MTecknology: register.com are okay. I'm probably going to switch to my own servers shortly, though | 17:54 |
| ccooke | But I'd have to say I've never had a single complaint against register.com - been using them since about 2002. | 17:55 |
| ccooke | Anyway. I need to go catch a train :-) | 17:55 |
| MTecknology | ccooke: thanks for that web addy | 17:56 |
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| Kuaera | Hello; I was wondering the status of the koffice-data-kde4 package conflicting with kde-icons-oxygen, as I would like to test KOffice 2. | 18:25 |
| c_korn | hallo | 18:26 |
| c_korn | ich bekomme diesen fehler http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenanntsu93.png mit dieser konfiguration: http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenannt-1nt6d.png hab ich da was falsch gemacht? | 18:26 |
| c_korn | der fehler kommt nicht, wenn ich nicht verschlüssele | 18:26 |
| c_korn | ich benutze übriens die aktuelle jaunty daily | 18:27 |
| TheInfinity | c_korn: this is an english channel | 18:27 |
| c_korn | oh, sorry | 18:27 |
| c_korn | I was redirected here from a german channel :P | 18:27 |
| TheInfinity | c_korn: i know. i'm in this german channel :p | 18:28 |
| c_korn | using the jaunty daily I get this error http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenanntsu93.png when I use this configuration: http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenannt-1nt6d.png the error does not occur when I don't use the encryption | 18:29 |
| steven_ | Hi everyone,I'm runnining Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Alpha2.I'm having a problem with Pulseaudio.I'm not getting any sound.My soundcard is a Creative Audigy 2 ZS,I have been to my Windows XP Professional partition,but there are no problems there. | 18:34 |
| steven_ | I can see that paman is showing my soundcard,and pavumeter is showing that sound is playing,but I can't hear anything. | 18:35 |
| c_korn | did anyone use ext4 in the current daily build? | 18:39 |
| Kuaera | steven_: I also have that issue, actually | 18:40 |
| steven_ | I haven't used the ext4 from the daily builds,but I have enabled it from reading the Ubuntu forums.I have it both on my root and home partitiions.It is working nicely. | 18:41 |
| steven_ | Hi Kuaera,I'm glad I'm not alone. | 18:42 |
| Kuaera | It seems like a new issue, too. I know I wasn't having problems in Intrepid, and shortly after jumping to Jaunty, I didn't use my linux boot for about a month | 18:43 |
| c_korn | steven_: ok, but I have a problem when I set up the partitions as encrypted. can you please have a look at this? http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenanntsu93.png http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenannt-1nt6d.png | 18:47 |
| steven_ | Hi Korn,I'm sorry but the dialog box is in German,I can't read what it is saying.From what I can tell,it does look serioous. | 18:50 |
| c_korn | steven_: sorry I forgot that :P | 18:54 |
| DanaG | " * debian/control: Drop padevchooser(Recommends) and pavucontrol (Suggests) completely - functionality has been subsumed by jaunty's gnome-volume-control." -- OH REALLY? | 18:56 |
| DanaG | I don't THINK so. | 18:56 |
| c_korn | I will translate it: An error occurred while trying to install the kernel on the target system: Kernel package: "kernel-generic" Check "/var/log/syslog" or the virtual console 4 for more information | 18:56 |
| DanaG | Can you move different apps to different devices with the gnome volume control? No. Can you control individual speakers with the gnome volume control? No. | 18:56 |
| DanaG | So no, it really is NOT the same functionality. | 19:00 |
| c_korn | steven_: oh, I think I found it: "stdout: No space left on device" | 19:00 |
| c_korn | 8MB are not enough for /boot :P | 19:00 |
| c_korn | what size is appropriate for /boot ? | 19:00 |
| steven_ | No worries Korn,I would try a program called partedmagic,I think it might be able to help you.I read this thread to get my ext4 working,even though I'm using Grub2:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033163&highlight=ext4 | 19:01 |
| c_korn | I need /boot in an unencrypted volume because the others are encrypted | 19:01 |
| steven_ | Ok guys,I'll have to leave,I'll be back soon,bye. | 19:09 |
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| MTecknology | ok - I need a little help finishing up my installation. | 19:20 |
| MTecknology | I launch things like nm-applet and gnome-power-manager and they seem to launch ok - but I never get the icon in my tray | 19:21 |
| MTecknology | The only error from nm-applet is ** (nm-applet:3977): WARNING **: No connections defined | 19:22 |
| jng1 | MTecknology: assume you have a notification area in your panel? | 19:22 |
| jng1 | i managed to delete mine once.. very confusing | 19:23 |
| MTecknology | ya, it's there | 19:23 |
| MTecknology | I'm using lal for my dock | 19:23 |
| MTecknology | stalonetray! | 19:23 |
| MTecknology | stalonetray** | 19:23 |
| MTecknology | oh... | 19:24 |
| MTecknology | I guess I forgot to install that :P | 19:24 |
| Tukon | Hi all | 19:31 |
| Tukon | will jaunty include qt 4.5??? | 19:32 |
| strangeseraph | hallooooooo | 19:33 |
| MTecknology | strangeseraph: hi | 19:36 |
| strangeseraph | :) I'm not testing the alpha because I'm not a linux expert or anything. But I want to know more about it. I couldn't get 8.04 to work on this laptop, but the 8.10 released fixed whatever bug had been present to prevent my laptop from running. Just want to make sure it keeps running in future releases. | 19:38 |
| MTecknology | strangeseraph: when it gets closer to release time there will be a lot of blogs about the changes | 19:39 |
| strangeseraph | cools | 19:39 |
| MTecknology | for me - so far there's been more hardware support, extremely fast boot time, and so far everything is working for me | 19:40 |
| MTecknology | just need to remember | 19:40 |
| MTecknology | !wfm | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ | 19:40 |
| MTecknology | well - I'm gonna run off | 19:43 |
| MTecknology | eh - nvm | 19:43 |
| emet | strangeseraph: 9.04 will have OOo 3, ext4 support at install | 19:44 |
| emet | probably much faster boot time | 19:44 |
| emet | but that's all I know about it | 19:44 |
| emet | heh | 19:44 |
| strangeseraph | nice :) | 19:44 |
| emet | it might have support for a few more webcams 8.10 didn't support out of the box too | 19:45 |
| MTecknology | emet: ya - about 1/10 the boot time | 19:45 |
| emet | but right now it's a pretty early alpha so most of the features aren't really even finalized yet | 19:45 |
| * DanaG hates the arrogance of gnome devs who assume their volume control supersedes pavucontrol. | 19:45 | |
| emet | MTecknology: cool | 19:45 |
| MTecknology | emet: I'm gonna run it on my production system... | 19:45 |
| MTecknology | my laptop - only system I have for school :P | 19:46 |
| * ccooke wonders if he should migrate his home laptop to 9.04 yet... | 19:46 | |
| ccooke | Anyone heard of significant brokenness currently? | 19:47 |
| emet | if you got nothing important on it | 19:47 |
| emet | go for it | 19:47 |
| MTecknology | ccooke: I shouldn't be on it in my situation | 19:47 |
| ccooke | I usually migrate this laptop about three to four months early | 19:47 |
| emet | it's like playing Russian roulette with every update | 19:47 |
| emet | heh | 19:47 |
| MTecknology | emet: I've learned to have a little watchfullness in updates | 19:48 |
| MTecknology | long as no removes are requested it seems to be a pretty safe operation | 19:48 |
| MTecknology | that's just my experience | 19:48 |
| ccooke | emet:The worst thing I can lose on this lapotop is a half days work - it's backed up automatically. | 19:48 |
| MTecknology | I should do that | 19:49 |
| ccooke | cron, ssh-key, rsync... No excuse not to, if you have a server :-) | 19:50 |
| MTecknology | I only have a remote server | 19:50 |
| MTecknology | I just do manual backups frequently | 19:50 |
| * ccooke now only runs two servers at home... down from three | 19:51 | |
| MTecknology | What should I be using for flash? | 20:03 |
| MTecknology | I could use flashplugin-nonfree but that's 32bit - I know there's supposed to be a 64bit alternative now | 20:03 |
| MTecknology | or is it not around yet? | 20:03 |
| ccooke | MTecknology: for now, nspluginwrapper is a fine 64-bit solution | 20:04 |
| ccooke | when the 64-bit plugin gets packaged, use that | 20:04 |
| l337ingDisorder | anyone familiar with ntfsclone? | 20:05 |
| MTecknology | ccooke: that wants ia32-libs | 20:07 |
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| ccooke | MTecknology: yes, it will. It was stable the last two times I used it - for about three and four months, five months apart | 20:09 |
| ccooke | MTecknology: ia32-libs are a good thing to install anyway | 20:09 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: what do you need flash for? | 20:10 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: websiters | 20:11 |
| spitfire__ | If fot youtube, there's a good alternative. | 20:11 |
| spitfire__ | If for youtube, there's a good alternative. | 20:11 |
| c_korn | I have setup jaunty daily with encrypted ext4. after entering the passphrase there is only this: http://img1.abload.de/img/unbenannta9eq.png | 20:11 |
| spitfire__ | gecko-mediaplayer. | 20:11 |
| c_korn | nothing more happens | 20:11 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: ext4 is *very* experimental :P | 20:11 |
| ccooke | c_korn: ... Huh. My 3g sitck blocks your upload site due to content control. I'd better get that removed :-) | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: BTW 64BIT flash is available;) | 20:12 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: that's what I was looking for | 20:12 |
| ccooke | spitfire__: is it in Jaunty? | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | I don't know if it's packaged. | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | ccooke: what? | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | flash? | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | dunno | 20:12 |
| MTecknology | So I just need to wait for it? | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | will search;) | 20:12 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html | 20:13 |
| MTecknology | not in repos yet | 20:13 |
| spitfire__ | ccooke: MTecknology: I'll check if it's available on jaunty, if not, then I'll check debian. | 20:14 |
| spitfire__ | And package it if available anywhere. | 20:14 |
| MTecknology | alrighty | 20:14 |
| MTecknology | I'll just wait | 20:14 |
| spitfire__ | anyone interested in jaunty package? | 20:14 |
| spitfire__ | *intrepid | 20:14 |
| spitfire__ | not jaunty | 20:14 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: and you can install it manually;) | 20:15 |
| MTecknology | I can install from that site - no prob | 20:15 |
| spitfire__ | Remove flashplayer-nonfree package and follow adobe's instructions | 20:16 |
| spitfire__ | but remove. flashplayer-nonfree | 20:16 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: I thought ext4 was released as final. hm | 20:16 |
| MTecknology | hrm... | 20:16 |
| MTecknology | I have libflashplayer.so | 20:16 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: ext4 just changed state from development version 2 months ago. | 20:17 |
| MTecknology | I assumed it was a make; make install thing | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | So I *bet* it;s less stable thn reiser4 | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: no. | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | It goes somewhere in ~/.mozilla/plugins | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | I guess. | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | But google. | 20:17 |
| spitfire__ | Or just *follow the f* instrucions* | 20:18 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: ya - that was retardedly easy | 20:20 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: i knew ;) You just have to know where to copy it. | 20:20 |
| MTecknology | thanks :) | 20:20 |
| MTecknology | now I should start fixing the boot time errors... | 20:20 |
| spitfire__ | But remember: it'll be only available for your user if under ~/.mozilla/* | 20:20 |
| MTecknology | yup - ty | 20:21 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: http://www.abload.de/img/unbenannt-165i5.png that is shown in the console. maybe I did the encryption wrong. I used an encrypted volume per partition | 20:21 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: fdisk -l | 20:21 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: fdisk not found | 20:22 |
| spitfire__ | try to write disk name in /ev/sd* manner in /etc/fstab | 20:22 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: you have busybox. | 20:22 |
| spitfire__ | sorry. | 20:22 |
| spitfire__ | try to reboot to other kernel. | 20:22 |
| spitfire__ | Do you have any other/ | 20:23 |
| spitfire__ | ? | 20:23 |
| c_korn | ehm, no | 20:23 |
| c_korn | I have an unencrypted /boot | 20:23 |
| c_korn | then encrypted /, /home and swap | 20:23 |
| c_korn | each have an own logical volume with different passphrases | 20:24 |
| MTecknology | I get this message when I boot up - Pulseaudio configured for per-user sessions - I know it's not an error but I can't figure out how to change this. Google doesn't want to help much | 20:24 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: do you know the disk names? like /dev/sda7 ? | 20:25 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: it's not;) | 20:25 |
| MTecknology | right - that's what I said | 20:25 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: it's better than system-wide | 20:25 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: really | 20:25 |
| spitfire__ | I had some probs with PA lately. | 20:25 |
| x1250 | MTecknology, check /etc/pulse/ directory for the config files | 20:26 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: ls works. it shows up /dev/sda{,1,2,5,6,7} | 20:26 |
| spitfire__ | You know, you can play sound across network | 20:26 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: try to replace /dev/disk_by_uuid thing in grub by your disks /dev/sd** name | 20:26 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: You know, you can play sound across network. And I can't get it working. | 20:27 |
| MTecknology | huh? | 20:27 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: I have not all commands like nano in this initramfs | 20:28 |
| spitfire__ | I know. | 20:28 |
| spitfire__ | But when grub menu appears. | 20:28 |
| spitfire__ | You can edit boot entry. | 20:28 |
| spitfire__ | with e | 20:28 |
| spitfire__ | 'e' | 20:28 |
| MTecknology | x1250:would daemonize = yes be the answer then? | 20:29 |
| spitfire__ | try to replace /dev/disk_by_uuid thing in grub by your disks /dev/sd** name | 20:29 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: what makes system wide bad? | 20:29 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: unsafe. | 20:29 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: sound is unsafe? | 20:29 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: many other reasons I don't remember | 20:29 |
| x1250 | MTecknology, no idea, google it, I just knew where there was an /etc/pulse with config files :) (I hate pulseaudio) | 20:30 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: someone *MIGHT* break into system using leak in pulse. | 20:30 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: ah, you mean the boot options: kernel /vmlinuz.... root=/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt | 20:30 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: cause you can't configure it. | 20:30 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: yah | 20:30 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: just uninstall it and use alsa if it's too hard. | 20:31 |
| x1250 | spitfire__, because it does not work. | 20:31 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: x1250: Pulseaudio can be great but if it;s to hard to use, you can just remove it and use alsa. | 20:31 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: replace with root=/dev/sda5 ? | 20:31 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: try. | 20:31 |
| spitfire__ | It won't stay there. | 20:32 |
| x1250 | hard to use? what is this? rocket science? | 20:32 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: no offense, but just not for newbies. | 20:32 |
| spitfire__ | I don't know why it's defau;t in ubuntu | 20:32 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: I think I'm using both | 20:32 |
| MTecknology | hrm | 20:33 |
| spitfire__ | It shouldn't be deafault especially in LTS | 20:33 |
| MTecknology | I use alsa to change the volume - but it doesn't work unless I launch pulseaudo | 20:33 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: you can disable it in gnome-sound-properties. | 20:33 |
| spitfire__ | ^^same to you MTecknology | 20:33 |
| x1250 | spitfire__, my problem with pulseaudio are sound artifacts | 20:33 |
| x1250 | i doubt that is my fault. | 20:33 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: resampler then. | 20:33 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: I don't have any gnome apps | 20:33 |
| spitfire__ | What hardware do you own? | 20:34 |
| x1250 | spitfire__, any docs on that? | 20:34 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: so what uses pulse? | 20:34 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: aaaahh kde? | 20:34 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: I'll help you | 20:34 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: I'm removing pulseaudio - i'll see how it goes after a reboot | 20:34 |
| MTecknology | I hate KDE | 20:34 |
| MTecknology | I have openbox | 20:34 |
| MTecknology | xdm+openbox | 20:34 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: I also do. | 20:34 |
| spitfire__ | I'm gnome ;P | 20:34 |
| MTecknology | It's installed from cli | 20:35 |
| spitfire__ | ok | 20:35 |
| MTecknology | I do like Gnome - but I prefer the speed I'm getting | 20:35 |
| x1250 | spitfire__, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) | 20:35 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: computer, processor ram. | 20:35 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: and give me output of 'cat /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |grep resample-method' | 20:36 |
| MTecknology | I am getting these errors though - http://pastebin.com/m35657820 | 20:36 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: and 'cat ~/.pulse/daemon.conf |grep resample-method' | 20:37 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: 2.6.28 is quite new. | 20:37 |
| spitfire__ | And everybody: it's experimental: don't expect *anything* to work. | 20:38 |
| x1250 | spitfire__, a dell notebook: intel centrino 1.66Ghz dual core, 2GB RAM 800Mhz. resample-method = speex-float-1 | 20:38 |
| spitfire__ | x1250: fuck | 20:38 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: I didn't expect it to - I just figured that if there's a way to make it work, I'll do it | 20:38 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: http://img1.abload.de/img/unbenannt-2197s.png | 20:39 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: probably there isn't. | 20:39 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: so I need time for that to work? | 20:39 |
| c_korn | does not seem to fix it | 20:39 |
| c_korn | can I create all partitions that need to be encrypted in one encrypted volume instead of creating one for each partition? | 20:39 |
| c_korn | maybe that is the source of the problem | 20:39 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: it says it doesn't detect this dev by uuid thing | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | so the disk uuid changed. | 20:40 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: oh ya - vbox is why I use pulseaudio | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | and your config haven't | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: vbox? | 20:40 |
| MTecknology | virtualbox | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | I thought it's virtualbox kernel module. | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | oh. | 20:40 |
| spitfire__ | So what does it have to do with pulse? | 20:41 |
| MTecknology | even virtualbox refers to itself as vbox :P | 20:41 |
| MTecknology | It can use it as the saound server so it wants it installed too | 20:41 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: f** | 20:42 |
| MTecknology | hu? | 20:42 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: lsmod |grep ext4 | 20:42 |
| spitfire__ | or cat /proc/modules grep ext4 | 20:42 |
| spitfire__ | *or cat /proc/modules |grep ext4 | 20:43 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: which part of it depends on pulse? | 20:44 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: idk exactly | 20:45 |
| MTecknology | I'll brb | 20:45 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: then check. | 20:45 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: outputs nothing :P | 20:46 |
| vita_ | hi all | 20:46 |
| c_korn | why isn't it loaded? | 20:46 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: no f* idea | 20:46 |
| spitfire__ | modprobe ext4 | 20:46 |
| vita_ | how can I enable ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X? | 20:46 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: and after that? | 20:47 |
| spitfire__ | vita_: it's xorg 1.6_pre baby ;P | 20:47 |
| spitfire__ | cat /proc/modules |grep ext4 | 20:47 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: still nothing | 20:48 |
| x1250 | vita_, Section ServerFlags: Option "DontZap" "False" | 20:48 |
| vita_ | x1250: thanks | 20:48 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: then you don't have that module I think.. | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: everything seems to be working perfect now | 20:49 |
| spitfire__ | try if you get anything with cat /proc/modules | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | 162MB RAM used after loggin in and letting everything load :) | 20:49 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: what? | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | I needed to install two extra packages for vbox to work | 20:49 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: pulse might be bloat. Most people on't need it. But it might be GREAT tool. | 20:50 |
| MTecknology | hrm... | 20:50 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: http://www.abload.de/img/unbenannt-3dljt.png | 20:50 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: ext4, right? | 20:51 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: it looks like openjdk-6-jre also wants pulseaudio | 20:52 |
| spitfire__ | reboot, in grub there are two lines. edit both. replace diskbyuuid think in both | 20:52 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: right, inside an encrypted logical volume. did not test it without encryption, yet | 20:52 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: then use sun-jre-bin | 20:52 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: I know it's not open:/ | 20:53 |
| MTecknology | lol | 20:53 |
| spitfire__ | But won't require it :P | 20:53 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: what lol? | 20:53 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: you wanna help walk be through getting rid of pulse? | 20:53 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: I don't get what you're thinking. | 20:54 |
| MTecknology | I'm not entirely sure either | 20:54 |
| MTecknology | I think for the moment I'll keep using pulseaudio since it's been working for me - when I have a chance I'll drop it | 20:54 |
| MTecknology | actually - I did drop it all | 20:55 |
| MTecknology | nope - i lied | 20:55 |
| MTecknology | now to figure out how to test sound | 20:56 |
| MTecknology | dns lookup time is taking a long time :S | 20:56 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: pulseadio is great, when you (for example) want to play sound on another computer (which is veeery useful for me) | 20:58 |
| spitfire__ | (laptop speakers suck) | 20:59 |
| MTecknology | interesting | 20:59 |
| MTecknology | You're pretty much saying that it's really good - but too much for most people? | 20:59 |
| mphill | well GNOME is moving full steam ahead on adopting pulseaudio. | 21:00 |
| mphill | its just taking a long time to get all the bugs fixed | 21:00 |
| mphill | i think the flash issue was a huge deal, but that seems pretty much resolved | 21:00 |
| mphill | heck, i even have the native 64-bit version running (great btw) | 21:01 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: http://img2.abload.de/img/unbenannt-4tvwn.png there is no line with an UUID there | 21:01 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: It doesn't seem to like my Capture device | 21:02 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: then no f* idea man. | 21:02 |
| spitfire__ | It must be in initrd, and I have no idea how to change it. | 21:02 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: #pulseaudio. | 21:02 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: It's being displayed in alsamixer as read | 21:02 |
| MTecknology | ok | 21:02 |
| spitfire__ | Let's get it moving:P | 21:02 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: ok, thank you very much. I will ask then in a forum or open a bug report. best regards | 21:03 |
| MTecknology | well - I consider my system working | 21:03 |
| MTecknology | spitfire__: thanks | 21:03 |
| spitfire__ | MTecknology: I'm also ther ;) | 21:03 |
| spitfire__ | People are you all from Germany? | 21:03 |
| spitfire__ | I'm about 30 km from Stuttgart :P | 21:04 |
| c_korn | me, 220km from Stuttgart :P | 21:05 |
| spitfire__ | I'm from poland | 21:07 |
| spitfire__ | *Poland | 21:07 |
| spitfire__ | Aber ich bin bei meine Mutter.;P | 21:07 |
| c_korn | spitfire__: the problem is encryption related. I reinstalled the current jaunty daily without encryption and it boots fine | 21:52 |
| spitfire__ | c_korn: that was rather obvious. | 21:52 |
| c_korn | ok, not to me :P | 21:52 |
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| Melik | hey guys is everyone else having trouble with nvidia and xorg on jaunty? | 23:20 |
| TheInfinity | yea. known prob. nvidia has no 3d drivers for latest kernel release. | 23:20 |
| TheInfinity | latest *xorg release. | 23:20 |
| Melik | TheInfinity, any idea when it might be released? | 23:21 |
| TheInfinity | Melik: when nvidia thinks its done :) | 23:21 |
| Melik | heh, i hope its sometime soon or i'm guna go blind on 800 x 600 :$ | 23:22 |
| spitfire__ | Melik: try beta drivers. | 23:24 |
| Melik | spitfire__, where would i find them? | 23:24 |
| TheInfinity | nvidia site? | 23:24 |
| spitfire__ | TheInfinity: yes. | 23:26 |
| TheInfinity | spitfire__: that was not really a question ;) | 23:26 |
| spitfire__ | TheInfinity: I know. | 23:27 |
| spitfire__ | Melik: are u sure testing release suits you? You can't even find drivers.... | 23:27 |
| spitfire__ | TheInfinity: what's new in jaunty since last beta? | 23:31 |
| spitfire__ | Cause xorg 1.6 and new kernel is not enough for me ;) | 23:31 |
| TheInfinity | spitfire__: atm i dont have a working jaunty ;) | 23:31 |
| spitfire__ | (to switch) | 23:31 |
| spitfire__ | Melik: what's new in jaunty since last beta? | 23:32 |
| spitfire__ | *alpha | 23:32 |
| TheInfinity | spitfire__: install it in a vm then you know :p | 23:32 |
| Melik | honestly no idea, i just installed it yesterday | 23:32 |
| spitfire__ | Ok, but what since 8.10 except new or and kernel? | 23:33 |
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