[00:01] <woody86> bdmurray-  ok, thanks :)
[00:03] <woody86> bdmurray-  could you mark it as 'Wishlist' for me?
[00:04] <crimsun> i already did
[00:04] <woody86> ok, thx :)
[00:12] <woody86> since you guys are on a roll, can someone mark this as a ''Wishlist" too? And do you think my comment is ok? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/315257
[00:15] <woody86> ok, nvm my comment. It was longer until I accidentally clicked away from the page and lost it
[00:27] <woody86> could someone mark this one as 'wishlist' too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-cd-burner/+bug/315179
[00:35] <Rocket2DMn> woody86, done
[00:38] <woody86> tyvm Rocket2DMn :)
[00:38] <Rocket2DMn> np
[00:39] <woody86> ok, I'll try to stop bugging all you guys now :)
[00:41] <Lupine> One of my bugs was marked as duplicate, and pointed me to here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/280675
[00:41] <Lupine> however...upon visiting that page, I get:  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[00:41] <Lupine> lol...kind of like that ubottu message :-)
[00:41] <Lupine> how can I monitor/subscribe to this bug?
[00:44] <hggdh> Lupine, try again, please
[00:45] <Lupine> :) you're like a magician or something
[00:45] <Lupine> ty
[00:45] <hggdh> welcome. And, no, I am not a magician. I looked up for private data, could not see any, and unset the private status
[00:46] <hggdh> it is not really correct to set as duplicate to a private bug...
[00:46]  * hggdh thinks it is not kosher, that is
[00:47] <Lupine> yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, but I guess the guy just made a little mistake
[00:47] <Lupine> thanks for correcting
[01:08] <tcole> hm
[01:08] <tcole> so I've got a kernel bug which I'm not entirely sure should go upstream to the kernel proper or not
[01:08] <tcole> it's kind of related to changes we've made on our side
[01:12] <Rocket2DMn> tcole, have you filed in on Launchpad yet?
[01:12] <tcole> oh yes
[01:12] <tcole> I've got a patch attached and everything
[01:12] <tcole> actually it was an existing bug that I was looking into
[01:13] <tcole> bug #300143
[01:13] <Rocket2DMn> do you have a link ?
[01:14] <Rocket2DMn> eh old school kernel hacker here eh
[01:15] <tcole> er, no, actually
[01:15] <tcole> just an old school hacker who can usually find his way around a source tree pretty quickly
[01:15] <Rocket2DMn> cool, did you just want us to finish the triage on the bug?
[01:16] <tcole> I guess so; I'm a little fuzzy on what the next steps would be in this particular case
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> we dont assign bugs to the kernel team anymore, but i can finish the triage on it to grab their attention
[01:16] <tcole> ah, ok
[01:17] <tcole> yes, please
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> alright, done
[01:18] <tcole> awesome, thanks
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, thank you for looking into it
[01:45] <askand> Hi, Why is bug 313502 invalid? Is there another report like that I can comment on or should I start a new?
[01:48] <Ryan52> Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. However, your crash report is either missing or challenging to deal with as a '.crash' file. Please follow these instructions to have apport report a new bug about your crash that can be dealt with by the automatic retracer.
[01:49] <Ryan52> that's why it's invalid.
[01:49] <crimsun> askand: because there wasn't enough information to debug. i've reset it to New.
[01:49] <Ryan52> gah. crimsun fixed it before I could finish what I was saying :p
[01:50] <askand> haha thanks :)
[01:50] <crimsun> askand: a little-known hint: check the activity log
[01:50] <crimsun> you'll be able to more easily correlate why certain Statuses are set
[01:50] <ashbringer> Should I file a bug against vrms for finding packages non-free under the DFSG? I don't know how mainline Ubuntu aligns itself, but I do remember that when Gobuntu was alive, it followed FSF guidelines and there was some talk of patching vrms to take off the non-DFSG-free packages.
[01:50] <askand> ah nice tips, wasnt aware of that
[01:50] <crimsun> ashbringer: yes
[01:51] <ashbringer> crimsun: Separate bug per misidentified package or one bug for all of them?
[01:52]  * nhandler notes that there is a greasemonkey script that displays the activity log data on the comment page
[01:52] <crimsun> ashbringer: well, i may have misunderstood the original question. would you clarify "finding packages non-free under the DFSG?"
[01:53] <crimsun> nhandler: needs fixing. the correlation between person triaging and the activity is sometimes very wrong
[01:53] <crimsun> not to mention it doesn't handle localtime, etc., but i don't mind it so much, since i just read the activity log regardless
[01:53] <nhandler> crimsun: I've noticed. But it does still come in handy. Although my favorite is the one that shows the teams/karma next to a person ;)
[01:54] <ashbringer> crimsun: The DFSG applies the Four Freedoms to all works, including non-functional ones like media, icons, documentation, and the like. The FSF holds that there is a difference between functional (software) and non-functional (media, icons, documentation) works. So, the package gdb-doc, for instance, is non-free because it includes a back-cover text which (afaik) cannot be modified or removed.
[01:54] <ashbringer> As well as invariant sections, which cannot be modified or removed.
[01:55] <crimsun> ashbringer: from the Description, "In some cases, the opinions of Richard M. Stallman and the Debian project have diverged since this program was originally written.  In such cases, this program follows the Debian Free Software Guidelines."
[01:55] <ashbringer> But Ubuntu follows (or followed) the FSF guidelines. Does that not overrule the Description?
[01:58] <crimsun> ashbringer: gdb-doc is in main, so yes, the Description needs to be clarified
[01:59] <ashbringer> So would it be helpful to file bug reports for vrms against packages that are FSF-free, but not DFSG-free? Or would it only be helpful to file bug reports for packages labeled non-free which are in main?
[02:00] <crimsun> ashbringer: i would follow the main/universe/multiverse redistributability guidelines
[02:02] <ashbringer> Meaning what in terms of this?
[02:03] <crimsun> ashbringer: vrms needs to be aligned with current archive acceptance standards
[02:04] <ashbringer> So it should only report packages as non-free if they're in restricted?
[02:04] <crimsun> ashbringer: in terms of your original question, it would be filing a bug against vrms to honour restricted / multiverse as opposed to main / universe
[02:05] <ashbringer> So then, I should file bugs against packages vrms flags as non-free if the package is in main / universe. Should I file one bug per package or do it all in a big bug and update that as I find new violations?
[02:06] <crimsun> ashbringer: how would filing bugs against those source packages help?
[02:06] <crimsun> ("those" vice vrms)
[02:06] <ashbringer> No, one bug against vrms per package.
[02:07] <crimsun> err, i would just file one bug against vrms and use the Description as a whiteboard of sorts
[02:07] <ashbringer> Meaning what exactly?
[02:07] <ashbringer> (Sorry for all the questions, I'm a bit of a noob and don't want to make too big of a mistake.)
[02:08] <crimsun> file a bug affecting vrms. in the Description, list the names of the sources packages that vrms flags incorrectly.
[02:09] <ashbringer> Alright. I'll do that. thanks for your help.
[02:55] <ziroday> Can I have bug #315316 marked as wishlist please
[02:59] <nellery> ziroday: done
[03:01] <ziroday> nellery: thanks!
[03:08] <andresmujica> one q about the coming global bug jam
[03:13] <MTecknology> It's insave to think their's 7,260 bugs in Ubuntu that can expire....
[03:16] <crimsun> there are many tens of thousands more
[03:31] <MTecknology> I wonder if Ubuntu will ever have less than 10,000 open bugs against it?
[03:31] <MTecknology> that'd be pretty cool
[03:35] <nhandler> MTecknology: Who knows, we might accomplish that with the Global Bug Jam. Anyone remember the numbers from the last one?
[03:36] <MTecknology> It's sad how many bs bugs there are - I'm still trying to learn how to triage
[03:41] <andresmujica> i've just seen 896 bugs jammed
[03:42] <andresmujica> err
[03:42] <andresmujica> 862
[03:42] <andresmujica> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2008/08/11/last-post-about-the-gbj/
[03:44] <direw0lf> Could someone set bug #315257 to wishlist? It looks like someone wrote it would be put on wishlist 3 hours ago, but it is still at undecided importance. Thanks!
[03:44] <MTecknology> If I could, I would :(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> direw0lf: i think that's a real bug.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> a design issue, yes.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> but not a wishlist bug.
[03:53] <andresmujica> shouldn't we open tickets at bug tracking software websites, so they learn about the bug plugin API ? http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/announcing-the-launchpad-plugin-api-spec
[04:31]  * MTecknology hugs Hobbsee
[04:35] <MTecknology> I'm trying to triage but I keep hitting on bugs that just need an invalid state...
[04:58] <persia> MTecknology, That too is helpful :)
[05:00] <direw0lf> Is there a mentoring program for bugsquad? I find times when I think I know how to triage a bug, but would like to have somebody "watch over my shoulder," so to speak.
[05:01] <MTecknology> persia: I kinda wanna run through every one of the bugs that are ready to expire and ask if it's still an issue...
[05:01] <MTecknology> direw0lf: I've been shooting for the same thing a few times. I use this channel for that
[05:02] <direw0lf> I put questions in the channel, too...just hate to add to the IRC noise for everyone by asking my own nagging questions. :)
[05:02] <MTecknology> persia: You ever get upset with people asking to make sure they're doing the right things with a bug?
[05:05] <persia> Not here.  I get annoyed sometimes when people ask if a change was correct in a bug comment.
[05:05] <persia> I also get annoyed when someone asks "Does this still happen" to a bug that's trivially reproducible, and it's my bug, and I have to say "Yes".
[05:06] <persia> direw0lf, Please, ask away.  That's why we have this channel.
[05:12] <direw0lf> Thanks. I warn you, though, that I will probably ask a few stupid questions as I learn this. I've used Linux for years, and started my career doing tech support, but this is the first time I've combined the two, so I'm sure I will make some clumsy n00b mistakes.
[05:12] <MTecknology> direw0lf: They probably won't be as bas as mine ;) - This helps a lot though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[05:13] <direw0lf> MTecknology: I have a permanent Firefox window open on that page. :)
[05:14] <MTecknology> lol
[05:15] <direw0lf> The bug how-tos are excellent
[06:20] <thekorn> good morning
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:38] <thekorn> morgen dholbach
[06:38] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[09:40] <tawmas> Hi, I'm trying to obtain a backtrace for bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/315373 and I need some guidance. Also, apport kicked in while I was reproducing the bug, and I'd like to know if there's a way to attach that report to the bug.
[09:43] <persia> tawmas, Did apport not give you the option of submitting a bug?
[09:43] <persia> One strategy is to submit the apport bug, mark it as a dupe, and then leave a comment in the master saying "recent apport trace available from bug #nnnnnn"
[09:43] <persia> That's probably easier than trying to get the trace manually.
[09:43] <tawmas> persia, It did
[09:43] <tawmas> persia, Ok, I'll do that way
[09:44] <tawmas> persia, btw, I was lost on installing the debuggins symbols for nautilus. The wiki page I was directed to lacks directions for Jaunty
[09:45] <persia> tawmas, Which page?
[09:46] <tawmas> persia, was directed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, which links here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:46] <persia> Oh, just replace "intrepid" with "jaunty" if you're running jaunty.
[09:47] <tawmas> persia, Ok, thought so, but I saw I have nautilus-dbg installed and wondered if it was the same
[09:47] <persia> Bah.  My browser crashed trying to edit that.  Could you put a note on DebuggingProgramCrash to avoid confusion in the future?
[09:48] <tawmas> persia, Don't know if I have permissions to, let me try
[09:49] <tawmas> persia, it says "Immutable Page"
[09:49] <tawmas> persia, btw, apport just timed out while uploading the report
[09:49] <persia> Immunatble page?  I'll try again then.
[09:51] <persia> tawmas, Worked for me.  Dunno why.  Is that change less confusing, or should I be more explicit?
[09:51] <tawmas> persia, what did you change?
[09:52] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?action=diff&rev2=65&rev1=64
[09:53] <tawmas> persia, I'd prefer something more explicit
[09:54] <persia> OK.
[09:57] <persia> tawmas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?action=diff&rev2=66&rev1=64 is closer?
[09:57] <tawmas> persia: That looks perfect, thanks!
[09:58] <tawmas> persia, btw, I got the debug symbols installed. Do I get it right that I need to attach to the running nautilus?
[10:00] <persia> tawmas: If you're using the gdb method, yes.
[10:01] <persia> Personally, I just use apport.
[10:01] <persia> Even when I don't submit a bug, I find it's easier to use apport-retrace against the .crash report than to use gdb.
[10:01] <tawmas> I used gdb because apport timed out
[10:01] <persia> But maybe that's just because I don't like gdb that much.
[10:01] <persia> apport timed out at which stage?  Saving the crash file, or submitting the bug?
[10:02] <tawmas> Submitting
[10:03] <persia> Check /var/crash
[10:03] <persia> In there you should have a crash file.
[10:03] <tawmas> do'h
[10:03] <persia> Try running apport-retrace against that crash file.
[10:03] <tawmas> Well, at least I learned how to obtain a backtrace with gdb :-)
[10:03] <persia> You'll have to read the man page: by default it seems to like to get the files from launchpad bugs, but it can work locally.
[10:06] <tawmas> persia, will look into that. Thanks for your help. I've added the backtrace I got with gdb
[10:06] <BUGabundo> good mornign
[10:07] <BUGabundo> is anyone seeing new bugs about ssh keys?
[10:07] <BUGabundo> maybe gnome-keyring (2.25.4.1-0ubuntu1) ?
[10:09] <BUGabundo_work> my ssh key got renamed some how today, and I couldn't access bzr.lp
[10:20] <BUGabundo> filed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/315398
[10:23] <seb128> BUGabundo_work: could you open that bug to bugzilla.gnome.org?
[10:25] <seb128> BUGabundo_work: I don't confirm the bug for what is worth and I doubt we will get a pertinent reply on launchpad since there is no gnome-keyring hacker there
[10:48] <BUGabundo_work> seb128: okay
[10:48] <BUGabundo_work> let me look for my login for gnome BTS
[11:10] <Nickname> Hey all, i signed up with bugsquad just today. ------ I'm looking at starting off on assigning packages. Anyone have tips on finding the correct package related to the bug discription?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search <terms> will often help find the binary it's for (or it'll be obvious by the report)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> you can use apt-cache madison <packagename> to get the source name of the package, and assign it there.
[11:12] <Nickname> Sweet advise Hobbsee, thanks for the help
[11:12] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[12:56] <Laibsch> Hi,
[12:56] <Laibsch> Can somebody please upload my patch from bug 254228 to intrepid-proposed?  It fixes a quite serious error in sqlite3
[13:02] <pedro_> Laibsch: try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[13:03] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[13:04] <pedro_> np
[13:04] <Laibsch> but isn't that about Jaunty?
[13:04] <Laibsch> well, let's give it a try
[17:09] <tjcertified> hello
[17:11] <MrKanister> hello tjcertified
[21:00] <torkiano> Is correct mark bug 214439 as triaged? Anyone can do it?
[22:15] <MTecknology> So - I want to do a little triaging - but I keep having a hard time getting going on it
[22:15] <MTecknology> It seems I lose my ability to debug when I have a working system
[22:16] <bdmurray> MTecknology: What do you mean?
[22:17] <MTecknology> My system is working 100% on 9.04. I can't find any bugs and I can't find any bugs I have any experience in
[22:17] <MTecknology> I want to help though
[22:19] <bdmurray> You could look at testing some applications maybe?
[22:19] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases
[22:29] <MTecknology> hrm - I never setup printing on this thing