| angie | how do i build nvidia support into my xconfig for a ubuntu gresec kernel setup | 00:14 |
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| angie | how do i select the kernel i want to use in ubuntu | 00:30 |
| angie | lik eeselect | 00:31 |
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| jonpackard | Hello. I'm testing the jaunty-armel 2.6.28-4-versatile kernel in qemu and seem to be running into problems. I've been comparing it against the debian-armel 2.6.26-1-versatile kernel. I can boot the debian kernel fine but I can't even get a kernel panic out of the ubuntu kernel. Could anybody please offer any suggestions? | 07:15 |
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| soren | keybuk: What is your suggested course of action wrt. bug 314879? You don't want udev's initramfs hook to create /etc/udev/rules.d, and I feel it would be wrong for lvm2, dmsetup, mdadm, etc. to move to /lib/udev/rules.d without a versioned dependency on udev, but you just /removed/ lvm2's dependency on udev, so I'm a bit confused where we're going here? | 10:49 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 314879 in udev "root on LVM broken since latest udev 136-2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314879 | 10:49 |
| soren | New debhelper will make sure the rules files are installed in the right place, but the initramfs hooks all hardcode the location. | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | soren: the removing the dep was a mistake, the dep can go back | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | I'd assumed the dep was simply there for watershed | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | so changed it to one on watershed | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | btw, devmapper doesn't depend on udev - so there's no way to introduce a versioned dependency on it ;) | 10:51 |
| soren | Ok. So a versioned dependency on udev (>> 134) ? | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | udev (>= 136-1) | 10:51 |
| soren | Hmm... Ok. So for devmapper we just change the path and pretend everything is fine? | 10:52 |
| soren | (which it is, but still) | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 10:52 |
| Keybuk | there's no configure-order dependency with udev | 10:52 |
| soren | Ok. I can do lvm2, mdadm and devmapper. | 10:53 |
| soren | (devmapper needs a no-change upload to move to /lib/udev/rules.d) | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | no change? | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | at least bump the b-d on debhelper? | 10:53 |
| soren | Erm.. No, I didn't mean to do that, actually. | 10:55 |
| soren | It doesn't need the newer debhelper to work. If people want to use the source package on older versions of Ubuntu, debhelper will DTRT. | 10:56 |
| soren | The dependency is for the binary package, really, but there's really no useful way to express that. | 10:57 |
| soren | Hmm... | 10:57 |
| soren | Unless, of course.. | 10:57 |
| soren | We could make the new dh_installudev add the versioned udev dependency to a misc:Depends? | 10:58 |
| soren | Oh, right, you said devmapper couldn't depend on udev. | 10:58 |
| soren | brb | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | well, I think it can | 11:01 |
| Keybuk | but Debianistas do that silly "but you can use devmapper without udev, I want to uninstall udev, it should only be a Recommends" thing | 11:01 |
| Keybuk | and of course, you can't have versioned Recommends | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | honestly, I don't worry about it much | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | they'll have the new udev anyway | 11:03 |
| soren | Blargh, dmsetup's hook of course needs the new path. | 11:05 |
| * soren needs to reboot | 11:08 | |
| smb_tp | Keybuk, BTW, forget my mail then. It was just about the same issue with rules.d | 11:54 |
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| Keybuk | anyone feel brave enough to set CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=n ? | 12:28 |
| Keybuk | soren: have uploaded a version of watershed that installs into the initramfs, you'll want to depend on that too (>= 2) | 12:35 |
| soren | Keybuk: Ah, yes. Will do. | 12:40 |
| soren | Keybuk: Pushed devmapper, lvm2, and mdadm. | 12:49 |
| redondos | hi. what is the reasoning behind disabling CONFIG_SND_DYNAMIC_MINORS in -generic and -server but not in -virtual? | 13:11 |
| soren | Which Ubuntu version? | 13:16 |
| redondos | soren: 8.04 | 13:25 |
| soren | No particular reason. Sounds like a mistake. | 13:26 |
| redondos | the mistake being not having it enabled in all kernels? | 13:27 |
| redondos | (or the other way around) | 13:27 |
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| soren | redondos: Mistake being that the virtual kernel differs. | 13:55 |
| jonpackard | Hello. I'm testing the jaunty-armel 2.6.28-4-versatile kernel in qemu and seem to be running into problems. I've been comparing it against the debian-armel 2.6.26-1-versatile kernel. I can boot the debian kernel fine but I can't even get a kernel panic out of the ubuntu kernel. Could anybody please offer any suggestions? | 14:15 |
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| marijus | hello is there a testing ppa for 2.6.29? | 14:35 |
| rtg | jonpackard: wait until Monday when Amit is back. | 14:38 |
| rtg | marijus: no test kernel yet | 14:38 |
| redondos | thanks, soren | 14:40 |
| jonpackard | Thanks rtg! | 14:41 |
| Kano | hi rtg , do you want to include a backport of rt2860/70 from 2.6.29/staging? those wifi chips are very common | 15:23 |
| Kano | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=91980990527258a075361490cecadbb7356fc0d2 | 15:23 |
| Kano | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c55519ff75224222f4668c92ae3733059269f575 | 15:23 |
| rtg | Kano: do those drivers actually work? I'm not interested in a bunch of bug reports on what greg refers to as "utter garbage" | 15:26 |
| Kano | rtg: well i know one with one of those chips, could be simply tested when you add it | 15:26 |
| rtg | Kano: I'll tell you what, you add it to your kernel and report back. I'm not really interested in a development driver. | 15:28 |
| Kano | even if lots of netbooks already use em and those cheap draft-n sticks? | 15:28 |
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| maxb | Is it documented anywhere why linux-restricted-modules works the way it does? I am curious why linking the modules at boot-time is useful | 18:26 |
| rtg | maxb: I've argued that it is a legal fiction. I'm trying to get that runtime link step removed based on boot time performance. | 18:32 |
| maxb | I'm quite curious as to the rationale of the fiction even if it is fiction! :-) | 18:32 |
| mjg59 | maxb: Issues with the legalities of distributing binary-only modules that are linked against GPLed components | 18:33 |
| maxb | where the gpl components are other .o files that make up the same module? | 18:34 |
| rtg | maxb: metaphorically, its the difference of shipping with a loaded gun v.s. shipping a gun with the ammo packed in the same box. | 18:35 |
| maxb | nice analogy :-) | 18:35 |
| mjg59 | maxb: Yeah | 18:37 |
| maxb | ok, thanks. I'm happy now that I know why this crazy dance is happening :-) | 18:38 |
| mjg59 | (Note: Not legal advice, not in a position to speak on behalf of Canonical, blah blah blah) | 18:39 |
| pwnguin | if linking at runtime is a legal fiction, then how is removing that step acceptable? | 19:34 |
| maxb | I assume rtg was implying "fictionally legal" | 19:38 |
| pwnguin | usually, "legal fiction" denotes a legal theory believed to not stand up in court | 19:40 |
| maxb | Well, it probably doesn't matter too much. Intrepid's l-r-m only contains two wireless drivers, and one of those (madwifi) is becoming properly free | 19:42 |
| pwnguin | i believe nvidia has a similar problem? | 19:42 |
| maxb | That seems to have been migrated to dkms | 19:42 |
| pwnguin | right. hrm | 19:43 |
| pwnguin | which is sort of a link on package install or kernel upgrade, no? | 19:44 |
| maxb | s/link/build-from-source/ | 19:45 |
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| pwnguin | i have join/parts on ignore on this channel, since a lot of activity is basically just that =/ | 19:47 |
| maxb | * cking has quit ("Me transmitte sursum, caledoni") | 19:47 |
| pwnguin | and i can't figure out how to get irssi's activity monitor to ditch the boring activity status | 19:47 |
| * maxb hunts for that setting in his own irssi config | 19:48 | |
| maxb | /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS QUITS | 19:48 |
| pwnguin | there's two levels; one is people saynig things, which is white for me. the other is joins etc and is blueish | 19:49 |
| pwnguin | maxb: if that works, thanks! | 19:50 |
| maxb | wfm :-) | 19:50 |
| pwnguin | maxb: I think adding NICKS helps, too | 20:41 |
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