[00:14] how do i build nvidia support into my xconfig for a ubuntu gresec kernel setup [00:30] how do i select the kernel i want to use in ubuntu [00:31] lik eeselect === emma_ is now known as emma === asac_ is now known as asac === asac_ is now known as asac [07:15] Hello. I'm testing the jaunty-armel 2.6.28-4-versatile kernel in qemu and seem to be running into problems. I've been comparing it against the debian-armel 2.6.26-1-versatile kernel. I can boot the debian kernel fine but I can't even get a kernel panic out of the ubuntu kernel. Could anybody please offer any suggestions? === fdd is now known as corge [10:49] keybuk: What is your suggested course of action wrt. bug 314879? You don't want udev's initramfs hook to create /etc/udev/rules.d, and I feel it would be wrong for lvm2, dmsetup, mdadm, etc. to move to /lib/udev/rules.d without a versioned dependency on udev, but you just /removed/ lvm2's dependency on udev, so I'm a bit confused where we're going here? [10:49] Malone bug 314879 in udev "root on LVM broken since latest udev 136-2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314879 [10:49] New debhelper will make sure the rules files are installed in the right place, but the initramfs hooks all hardcode the location. [10:50] soren: the removing the dep was a mistake, the dep can go back [10:50] I'd assumed the dep was simply there for watershed [10:50] so changed it to one on watershed [10:51] btw, devmapper doesn't depend on udev - so there's no way to introduce a versioned dependency on it ;) [10:51] Ok. So a versioned dependency on udev (>> 134) ? [10:51] udev (>= 136-1) [10:52] Hmm... Ok. So for devmapper we just change the path and pretend everything is fine? [10:52] (which it is, but still) [10:52] yeah [10:52] there's no configure-order dependency with udev [10:53] Ok. I can do lvm2, mdadm and devmapper. [10:53] (devmapper needs a no-change upload to move to /lib/udev/rules.d) [10:53] no change? [10:53] at least bump the b-d on debhelper? [10:55] Erm.. No, I didn't mean to do that, actually. [10:56] It doesn't need the newer debhelper to work. If people want to use the source package on older versions of Ubuntu, debhelper will DTRT. [10:57] The dependency is for the binary package, really, but there's really no useful way to express that. [10:57] Hmm... [10:57] Unless, of course.. [10:58] We could make the new dh_installudev add the versioned udev dependency to a misc:Depends? [10:58] Oh, right, you said devmapper couldn't depend on udev. [10:59] brb [11:01] well, I think it can [11:01] but Debianistas do that silly "but you can use devmapper without udev, I want to uninstall udev, it should only be a Recommends" thing [11:02] and of course, you can't have versioned Recommends [11:03] honestly, I don't worry about it much [11:03] they'll have the new udev anyway [11:05] Blargh, dmsetup's hook of course needs the new path. [11:08] * soren needs to reboot [11:54] Keybuk, BTW, forget my mail then. It was just about the same issue with rules.d === fdd is now known as corge [12:28] anyone feel brave enough to set CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=n ? [12:35] soren: have uploaded a version of watershed that installs into the initramfs, you'll want to depend on that too (>= 2) [12:40] Keybuk: Ah, yes. Will do. [12:49] Keybuk: Pushed devmapper, lvm2, and mdadm. [13:11] hi. what is the reasoning behind disabling CONFIG_SND_DYNAMIC_MINORS in -generic and -server but not in -virtual? [13:16] Which Ubuntu version? [13:25] soren: 8.04 [13:26] No particular reason. Sounds like a mistake. [13:27] the mistake being not having it enabled in all kernels? [13:27] (or the other way around) === asac_ is now known as asac [13:55] redondos: Mistake being that the virtual kernel differs. [14:15] Hello. I'm testing the jaunty-armel 2.6.28-4-versatile kernel in qemu and seem to be running into problems. I've been comparing it against the debian-armel 2.6.26-1-versatile kernel. I can boot the debian kernel fine but I can't even get a kernel panic out of the ubuntu kernel. Could anybody please offer any suggestions? === asac_ is now known as asac [14:35] hello is there a testing ppa for 2.6.29? [14:38] jonpackard: wait until Monday when Amit is back. [14:38] marijus: no test kernel yet [14:40] thanks, soren [14:41] Thanks rtg! [15:23] hi rtg , do you want to include a backport of rt2860/70 from 2.6.29/staging? those wifi chips are very common [15:23] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=91980990527258a075361490cecadbb7356fc0d2 [15:23] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c55519ff75224222f4668c92ae3733059269f575 [15:26] Kano: do those drivers actually work? I'm not interested in a bunch of bug reports on what greg refers to as "utter garbage" [15:26] rtg: well i know one with one of those chips, could be simply tested when you add it [15:28] Kano: I'll tell you what, you add it to your kernel and report back. I'm not really interested in a development driver. [15:28] even if lots of netbooks already use em and those cheap draft-n sticks? === Omegamoon is now known as Omegamoon|away [18:26] Is it documented anywhere why linux-restricted-modules works the way it does? I am curious why linking the modules at boot-time is useful [18:32] maxb: I've argued that it is a legal fiction. I'm trying to get that runtime link step removed based on boot time performance. [18:32] I'm quite curious as to the rationale of the fiction even if it is fiction! :-) [18:33] maxb: Issues with the legalities of distributing binary-only modules that are linked against GPLed components [18:34] where the gpl components are other .o files that make up the same module? [18:35] maxb: metaphorically, its the difference of shipping with a loaded gun v.s. shipping a gun with the ammo packed in the same box. [18:35] nice analogy :-) [18:37] maxb: Yeah [18:38] ok, thanks. I'm happy now that I know why this crazy dance is happening :-) [18:39] (Note: Not legal advice, not in a position to speak on behalf of Canonical, blah blah blah) [19:34] if linking at runtime is a legal fiction, then how is removing that step acceptable? [19:38] I assume rtg was implying "fictionally legal" [19:40] usually, "legal fiction" denotes a legal theory believed to not stand up in court [19:42] Well, it probably doesn't matter too much. Intrepid's l-r-m only contains two wireless drivers, and one of those (madwifi) is becoming properly free [19:42] i believe nvidia has a similar problem? [19:42] That seems to have been migrated to dkms [19:43] right. hrm [19:44] which is sort of a link on package install or kernel upgrade, no? [19:45] s/link/build-from-source/ [19:45] * maxb chuckles at cking's quit message [19:47] i have join/parts on ignore on this channel, since a lot of activity is basically just that =/ [19:47] * cking has quit ("Me transmitte sursum, caledoni") [19:47] and i can't figure out how to get irssi's activity monitor to ditch the boring activity status [19:48] * maxb hunts for that setting in his own irssi config [19:48] /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS QUITS [19:49] there's two levels; one is people saynig things, which is white for me. the other is joins etc and is blueish [19:50] maxb: if that works, thanks! [19:50] wfm :-) [20:41] maxb: I think adding NICKS helps, too === Omegamoon|away is now known as Omegamoon === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson