[00:00] usually [00:00] MythbuntuGuest23, yep, wheres the log [00:01] cool one sec [00:02] Ok here it is : http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f51a7b6b4 [00:02] So here is the deal I was going through several docs to try and get this to work with no luck [00:02] MythbuntuGuest23, also, remind me of your problem [00:03] I want to get Serial Ir blaster to change my iptv det top box [00:03] I bought the one from the mythtv wiki [00:04] Here are the links I was trying to follow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789608&highlight=ir+blaster [00:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616476 [00:05] And then i tried to edit all the files manually but that didnt seem to work . I tried to seleect the correct one in MCC, but it seemed taht the settings didnt stick [00:07] So I just tried to undo everything that I did but commenting everything out that I did because my remote didnt work at all after I messssed around with it [00:08] Maybe I am selecting the wrong thing in mcc? [00:08] ok [00:08] so which part are you stuck on? Or did you finish the guides (which I can't see cause ubuntuforums is down) and it just wont change channels? [00:10] Ok so I am supposed to download the script for my set top box correct? (I have an amino one which there is only 1 Amino script apparrelty for all models) [00:13] From there I supposedly coudl go into MCC > Infared Devices > Enable an IR transmitter [00:15] And then I select settings ( Driver, module, confuration, etc) But the settings dont seem to work, or maybe I have them inorrect. It also seems that they dont stick as well. [00:16] well you need a channel change script that will transmit the channels to the box [00:17] so i'd download that one and see if it works [00:17] ok I belive I have that [00:17] you should be able to get it to work from the command line [00:18] ok so the command is like ir send ? [00:18] not exactly. For instance, I have directv and the command I use is ./directv.pl 8 [00:19] and that changes to channel 8 [00:19] can you give me a link to the script for your box? [00:22] ya i cant seem to find it.. i can post it some where... [00:22] ok wait [00:22] http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/amino/STB [00:22] there it is [00:23] if you move up a directory it (STB) is the only one under Amino [00:24] ah ok, so yea yours is going to look like IRSEND something [00:25] IRSEND 8? [00:27] irsend send_once (Amino_STB/mceusb2) 8 ? [00:28] that looks closer [00:28] probably [00:28] irsend send_once Amino_STB 8 [00:29] anyone have an issue where the ATI Catalyst driver 8.12 crashes as soon as X starts? Basically keeps rebooting the machines? [00:29] irsend send_once Amino_STB 8 irsend: command failed: send_once Amino_STB 8 irsend: unknown remote: "Amino_STB" [00:29] did you download that script? [00:30] yes [00:30] and it's now at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf [00:32] yes I have it as an INCLUDE [00:32] hmm [00:33] include /usr/share/lirc/transmitters/Amino/STB.conf [00:33] I stuck it in that dir because it seemed others were there [00:33] and I just created the dir Amino [00:34] seems fine [00:34] permissions ok on that? [00:35] root is group and owner [00:35] ok [00:35] -rw-r--r-- [00:35] should i change? [00:35] no [00:38] you have configured hardware.conf for transmitting? [00:41] oh yes this was another question i had. It seemed that the vaules that you put in MCC are populated here however they didnt seem to stick when I did it in MCC. So I tried entering them in manually to work but I coudnt seem to get them to work. I currently have it commented out. Maybe my values are wrong? [00:41] #Chosen IR Transmitter #TRANSMITTER="Amino_STB" #TRANSMITTER_MODULES="lirc_serial lirc_dev" #TRANSMITTER_DRIVER="" #TRANSMITTER_DEVICE="/dev/lirc1" #TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_CONF="/usr/share/lirc/transmitters/Amino/STB.conf" #TRANSMITTER_LIRCD_ARGS="" [00:45] yea you will need to uncomment all that. What happens when thats uncommented? [00:47] irsend send_once Amino_STB 8 irsend: command failed: send_once Amino_STB 8 irsend: unknown remote: "Amino_STB" Also when i try to restart /etc/init.d/lirc restart it tells me failed [00:47] Unable to load LIRC kernel modules. Verify your * selected kernel modules in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf === rhpot1992 is now known as rhpot1991 [00:50] MythbuntuGuest23, did you follow the mythbuntu install guide at all? [00:52] yes what makes you say that [00:53] just troubleshooting [00:54] let me pull it up here, i may have had a question on it though [00:56] According to docs it said, When installing lirc or reconguring (sudo dpkg-recongure lirc) , choose the option for either \Serial Receiver" or \Serial receiver (igor cesko's variant)". Depending upon which port you have your serial transmitter attached to, you may have to modify the modprobe options that are used for loading the kernel module. Create a le entitled /etc/modprobe.d/lirc with these contents: [00:57] however when I rund sudo dpkg-reconfig lirc it tells me that it is deprecated and quits out, so i go to file to edit it manually and it says not to edit the file but use sudo dpkg-reconfigure [00:58] "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc" tells you what is depreciated? [01:02] no acutaqlly its the dpkg-reconfigiure setserial [01:05] The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! [01:09] hi, i'm trying to install boxee on amd64. i can't figure out how to manually download the package, to install using the instructions given here: http://forum.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=22698&postcount=20 [01:10] can anybody tell me a direct url to download the package, or alternatively how to tell APT that it's okay to download an ia32 package? [01:10] Erm? Wrong channel? [01:11] hmm, well i'm running mythbuntu, and mostly use myth. i'm just trying boxee out [01:11] tgm I lgot a little further wiht: irsend send_once Amino_STB 11 irsend: could not connect to socket irsend: Connection refused [01:11] quinten: Okay sure. I'd guess that people here don't know a whole lot about boxee [01:13] fair enough, i'll try #boxee. [01:14] MythbuntuGuest23, well thats progress. [01:15] try "irsend -d /dev/lirc1 send_once Amino_STB 11" [01:15] if that doesn't work, try [01:15] try "irsend -d /dev/lirc0 send_once Amino_STB 11" [01:19] same thing,.. [01:19] hey anyone alive? looking for advice on an agp video card [01:21] MythbuntuGuest23, this thread seems to indicate you should try "irsend -d /dev/lircd1 send_once Amino_STB 11" [01:27] ok ls -l /dev/lirc* says I only have /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircd, so i tried sudo irsend -d /dev/lircd send_once Amino_STB 11 and it seemed to work. [01:27] I tried it again and it gave me the error... so did it work? [01:27] doenst look like it, i opened my front end and now i cant even navagte with my remote.. :( [01:56] Is there a way to run a script when MythTV starts and stops? (I can't try it now I'm on windows) [02:03] anyone know if there are any plugins which aren't listed in the plugin menu [02:03] or themes [02:31] is there any way to run a script wih MythTV? [02:35] what kind of script? [02:35] I know you can run a channel changing script [02:38] I wanted to mount a specific folder inside the media directory ONLY if a button is held. like ctrl. [02:39] and unmount the foulder when MythTV closes [02:39] er [02:39] folder [02:43] afraid I can't think of anything to help with that mate [02:44] Is there a good forum I can ask on? [02:46] could try the mailing list [02:46] other then that, fraid I can't help much :/ [02:46] mailing list? [02:47] chaorain: irexec [02:47] http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/ [02:48] chaorain: http://www.lirc.org/html/irexec.html [02:49] thanks [02:49] no problem [02:49] the easiest way to use it would be to make a script for what you want and just call the script [03:21] hey, when i select "edit keys" in the setup menu, it doesn't do anything. i have the newest version of mythcontrols installed [03:21] anyone know what i'm missing? [03:23] or is there another way to setup jump points? i keep seeing references to them but i haven't seen instructions on actually setting one up [03:27] ah, tail /var/log/myth/mythfrontend.log: theme is missing critical ui elements [03:27] perhaps that's the problem [03:29] quinten: you can set them in mythweb [03:31] changing the theme also worked, i should have thought of that [03:37] I was referring to the keys [03:41] i mean it fixed the problem with the menu not working [03:41] what do i put in fstab to make sure my vista samba shares mount on boot [03:45] !windows% | erb [03:45] erb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently [03:51] where do lircd.conf buttons get turned into mythtv keystrokes? [03:52] can that be configured? mythtv is seeing the "vista" button as the same as the "menu" button [03:52] and the lircd.conf file seems to be showing a description of the key, not a single letter [03:53] quinten: ~/.lirc/mythtv [03:55] oh, thanks [04:04] thanks zinn [04:07] erb: zinn is a bot [04:07] bots need love too [04:22] okay, what jumppoint means "media library/watch recordings?" or is there none? [06:35] quinten: If you'd stuck around it's playbackbox === N1X0N is now known as Nixon [10:01] i get a loop redirect error when I click on a channel in mythweb [12:45] hi everyone... [12:46] just a quick question, what's the go with mp4 files and no sound with the play back? [12:46] I downloaded a bunch of mp4 files from yapc.tv and I don't get sound.. [12:52] have you tried installing the 3rd party codecs via mythbuntu admin [12:54] styelz: I thought so.. I'll double check [12:57] yep... got the codecs installed... [12:57] at least they are all enabled in the mythbuntu setup... [13:05] dunno [13:05] what player do yo use [13:18] not really sure.. what ever the player is that comes up... I haven't changed anything [15:57] Hello all... I have an Nvidia 7200 video card and I'm having some trouble with playback of video files. I get errors such as NVP: Video is xxxx frames behind audio (too Slow), dropping frame to catch up. I'd like to verify that Xv is up and working but am unsure how to do that... [15:57] Would anyone be willing to offer a suggestion or perhaps point me to a good tutorial? [15:57] Many thanks [15:59] Also I was curious if I should select Sync to Vblank for video blitter? [16:10] does anyone have a working asound.conf or .asoundrc for HDMI sound [16:11] After spending many hours getting mine to work, I forgot to back it up when I upgraded [16:25] hey im running mythbuntu with gnome [16:25] i run my 360 sound through my mic input [16:26] but its not working since i installed mythbuntu [16:27] i went to sound/prefs/volume control [16:27] i hit preferences and enaabled all of them [16:27] and turned all of them up [16:27] but still nada [16:55] morning folks [17:00] In an error NVP: Waiting for prebuffer... 3 What does NVP stand for? [17:23] http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9444/volumece8.png [17:24] what am i not doing? [17:24] i never had this much trouble getting my 360 sound through my pc [17:24] before mythbuntu === N1X0N is now known as Nixon [17:50] superm1 ru around? [17:51] CRXLPY, i happen to be, but just post questions in general. contentless pings dont do much good if i wasnt [17:51] and if someone else knows, they can present an answer [17:51] oops sorry, didnt think. you are right [18:02] ok I just verified that no source list has the weeklyfixes source for mythtv0.21 . I have the weeklybuilds-trunk0.22 source used. yet I still see about half of my mythtv selections to be showing fixes and 0.21 in their filenames. I have been unable to reinstall mythtv since an upgrade uninstalled it this weekend [18:03] CRXLPY, so until upstream freezes on the release number to be 0.22, the package names are "0.21+trunkXXXX" meaning 0.21 release, but with all the trunk improvements past then [18:03] if you have anything with 0.22 in the name, it needs to be purged [18:04] ok [18:05] hey i installed mythbuntu and for some reason i cant get my mic input working [18:05] i use it for my xbox 360 [18:05] i had no problems before [18:07] d0netsFN, on your mixers you probably need to turn on the recording tab [18:07] and there is probably a checkbox or press button that needs activating [18:10] that was the problem. I uninstalled the 0.22 files and everything was happy ... installing mythtv now. [18:11] libmyth still shows as ver 0.22 but the desc says 21.... [18:12] yeah dont worry about that until upstream announces it [18:12] superm i know [18:12] i enabled them all i think [18:12] hey, I aint worried, I have an install in progress [18:12] d0netsFN, that screenshot doesnt show your recording tab? [18:13] can you show it [18:13] im in it [18:13] they all have mute signs over the mics [18:13] here lemme screen it [18:13] take the mute signs off of all of them then [18:15] i cant [18:15] theres the speaker icon and the mic icon [18:15] all the mic icons are muted but one [18:15] so your hardware maybe only allows one at a time then [18:15] if i click another one to unmute it, the previous one mutes [18:39] How do you tell if Xv is functional and in use? [18:42] xvinfo [18:53] Thank you! Is it possible to force mythtv to play using xv? [18:53] Playback recordings that is. [18:53] it should by default provided nothing else is using Xv when you start mythtv [18:53] or when you try to use Xv [18:54] No need for something Like in xine -V xv [18:55] If xvmc is working should xvmcinfo work like xvinfo? [18:58] Guest25313, xvmc operates a lot differently. i dont believe there is an xvmcinfo tool [18:58] typically the way you know xvmc has been operated is by the black and white OSD in mythtv [18:58] or by reading the log file when you run mythfrontend in a terminal [18:59] Ok... I think it is safe to say xvmc is not configured correctly... on my system... I can't even lauch xine using -v xvmc. [19:00] Hopefully my 7200 nvidia card supports it... [19:00] mythbuntu configures xvmc when you install and select the nvidia driver in the installer [19:00] there is a file in /etc that has to be modified if you installed the nvidia driver later or via a different method [19:02] Hmmm, I wish my diskless frontend would stop breaking and filling up the drive on my backend with logs. [19:03] which logs? [19:03] mythfrontend? [19:03] Yeah [19:03] just redirect it /tmp instead? [19:03] i think the log location is configurable by a file in etc [19:04] etc/default/myth something [19:04] Good plan. It's more the breaking bit that bothers me though :) [19:04] well or just redirect to /dev/null [19:04] then you wont have it filling up anywhere :) [19:05] I think it's getting stuck at a program boundry and filling up the log because of lack of video for NVP [19:05] Haha [19:06] so maybe just | grep -v NVP | tee logfile instead [19:06] Not a bad idea. [19:07] Cheers :) [19:07] no prob [19:07] I wish it would stop being so tempermental, I upgraded the frontend to a nicer box and it's never been the same unfortunately. [19:08] Is there any graphics driver guru around? [19:10] I have installed mythbuntu 8.10 with an onboard VIA Unichrome graphics, now the playback performance is low, and I dont know if I could use a better driver, in order to get better performance. How can I find out what driver is used in my system? [19:12] superm1: Do you use diskless clients? [19:15] hads, i did before [19:15] hads, then my hard drive suddenly spun back up to life, so i used it again [19:15] heh [19:16] Did you have issues with nbd when shutting them down? (if you remember) [19:16] no i didnt [19:16] i remember i had this really really really annoying bug with diskless that i couldnt eject cds as a normal user, i always had to gksudo to eject [19:16] and i could never root cause it [19:17] you probably need to add yourself to the CD group then [19:17] I must figure out one day why I get errors like "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" when shutting down or rebooting. [19:17] I end up needing to do a hard reset. [19:18] dashcloud, i was part of the cd group [19:18] and the device was owned by the right group [19:18] i even went as far as chmod 777 device-node [19:18] and chown my-user:my-group device-node [19:19] made no sense [19:19] Weird [19:27] I might dist-upgrade my backend today. [19:27] From what to what? [19:27] Hardy to Intrepid [19:28] I've been meaning to try it out.. anything new you know of? [19:28] trouble is I cna't mess with it willy nilly like you guys can, it's mission critical in my house... wife and kids use it constantly [19:28] I'm not sure apart from the underlying system updates. [19:28] it's not using mythtv .22 ? [19:28] No [19:29] hads, i dist upgraded mine solely so i could do intrepid diskless without having to do some pain in mucking with mcc:) [19:29] how is it?.. anything interesting? [19:29] neoneddy: Yes we use it constantly too :) [19:30] superm1: I just got my hardy diskless image the way I liked it too :) [19:30] Anyone have issues where you see the interlacing in HDcontent from 1080i sources? ... [19:32] I'm using an HD Homerun right now.. it's works great [19:34] grumble grumble finally get mythtv back on and now I cant remember the mysql passwd.... LOL [19:37] CRXLPY: look at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt [19:41] that is not the root passwd. I am looking for that. I must have changed it since blank is not correct [19:42] mysql root psswd to be complete [19:43] CRXLPY, dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 will reset it [19:43] can you do that with any package? [19:44] any package that has debconf for it's configuration you can [19:46] thanks superm1 , I am mooving through stuff again [20:17] anyone know how to make the PC button on their mce remote suspend to ram? [20:17] i found it in the wiki but the actual command appears to just be for gentoo [20:17] config = sudo /usr/sbin/hibernate-ram [20:17] i tried apt-get install hibernate-ram but no go [20:18] Forgive me for giving a very vaugue answer, but Iknow it's possible.. in the lirc config someplace you can specify scripts or commands to be run on butten presses [20:18] I was playing with it trying to turn my tv and mythbox off with 1 button press and using the MCE IR receiver as a transmitter as well [20:19] erb, the command is pm-suspend [20:19] and it likely needs to be launched as sudo [20:19] or a dbus event needs to be sent instead [20:19] the latter is probably better [20:20] but wait a minute, why would you suspend to RAM?.. it's supposed to be on all the time recording all night marathons of MXC and stuff [20:20] if it's a frontend only it's okay to do [20:20] pm-suspend [20:20] nice thanks [20:20] or if you set the RTC for the next recording [20:20] true [20:20] this mythbuntu box doesn't have a tv tuner [20:20] so its not going to be on all the time [20:22] * hads reboots [20:22] I need an HDMI guru with asound.conf : AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz) [20:23] when I am trying to play music through the HDMI card, I get this error... I am guessing I need some sort of a slave/plugin translator? [20:23] X coming back up is a good sign :) [20:25] Sweet, that upgrade went well. [20:26] * Antharian groans [20:26] bleeding edge is sooo bloody [20:29] you have to ask yourself, "if I were an HDMI port, what kind of signal would I want?" [20:29] heh [20:31] weekend, party, no music... it's kewl. We were gonna play charades and count the dimples in the ceiling anyway... all that noisy music would just buggery the count. [20:55] * Antharian ponders having a quick sip of vodka to help the thinking process [20:58] Does anyone have mythmusic playing via HDMI to their TV? [21:14] Yum! Vodka makes the brain run! [21:14] (not well, but it runs!) [21:15] No, but I've thought about.. are there graphics cards that do HDMI Video / Adio for myth tv? [21:17] neoneddy: well, I've got HDMI video and sound working quite well... it's just the myth music that wants to make problems.... all my video plays just fine with video and audio going... it's just my massive mp3 collection I've made over the last 10 years thats making my pull my hair out. [21:21] odd.. what card are you using? [21:23] built in based on the ATI 780G chipset [21:23] bugger not 780... this on is 690 [21:24] I've heard the nvidia ones are best for HD playback .. yes? [21:25] well. yes, today... but living here in Austin, TX where AMD is headquartered... I have to say there is MUCH buzz about making ATI bad ass. [21:25] Antharian: Please watch your language. [21:26] d'oh... I mean bad asprin [21:26] Bad arse :) [21:26] Zinn doesn't know about the English ;) [21:26] My cpu load is really pretty low even today with the HD content. The real issue is my lagging wireless. [21:26] jphillip, that's odd. i would think Zinn hated brits and would have learned arse first [21:27] omg.... is there a censor robot? [21:27] Antharian, around xmas the frys on mopac up by parmer had good sales on wireless n routers, but not sure prices now [21:28] tomtom099, Zinn does more than just warn people about language :) [21:28] !hi | tomtom099 [21:28] tomtom099: Hi $nick, how are you? Something we can help you with today? [21:28] !database | tomtom099 [21:28] Sorry I don't know about database [21:28] er well i forget which one that is [21:28] !help [21:28] !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs. Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number]. For a complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi [21:28] well i have just watched "terminator 3" on tv, now I hate all robots :-# [21:28] !devlogs [21:28] Developer Meeting logs are avaiable at: http://www.baablogic.net/irclogs/ [21:28] * Antharian high fives superm1 [21:28] !mceusb2 [21:28] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote [21:28] etc [21:29] Antharian, :) [21:29] so this robot listens when you bang him :) [21:30] shhhh... that's potty talk [21:30] yeah [21:30] !hammertime [21:30] ━━▊ ━━▊ ━━▊ [21:30] heh [21:31] better kill him. [21:31] can multiple people ! Zinn at the same time? [21:31] yeah [21:31] * Antharian scurries off and hides the window while the office folk monitor his screen [21:32] and by office folk, I mean the Vodka. [21:32] ok, back to work... thanks for the distraction [21:33] Can anyone help me with my graphics card and/or driver? I dont know if i could get better (faster) drivers... where do I start? [21:33] superm1: any chance you grok asound.conf and 44.1 -> 44.8? [21:33] tomtom: ummm... sure. [21:34] how do I know what kind of driver is in use? and how do i find out if it has the capability to use the onboard MPEG2 codec? [21:34] well, which card is it? [21:34] its a newly installed box, and the performance is bad :-( [21:34] integrated motherboard card? [21:34] VIA CX700 chipset with everything onboard [21:35] ahhh. [21:35] unichrome pro M [21:35] my favorite card [21:35] this one has SOOOOO much potential [21:35] thats what i hoped (and heard somewhere) [21:35] but don't be fooled, it will never to hardware h264 acceleration [21:35] Antharian, there is an easy way to set that, but i dont have my conf handy [21:35] no SD is ok [21:35] i seem to remember i had to force the rate via asound.conf though too [21:36] currenty I have mythbuntu 8.10 on it [21:36] nothing else - no vendor drivers etc. [21:36] tomtom: I am a little suprised that the default opencrhome drivers don't work well. [21:36] is this a diskless system, or a full box? [21:37] currently a full box, but I want to split it up into 2 boxes for frontend and backend later. [21:37] I just wanted to start somewhere since I am new to this whole thing (had a vdr before) [21:38] later, the frontend should work from a SSD instead of a harddisk, so it can be a "full box" too [21:38] been down this road ... done that. [21:38] great [21:38] VIA has great potential. [21:38] but not there today [21:39] if SD is all you are looking for... it will be great [21:39] there is a dist that caters to this exactly. [21:39] what do you mean "not there today"? [21:40] please tell me the details... [21:41] VIA hired an open source evangelist to help them get their drivers working under linux with the same speed and stability as under windows. as of today, very little practical stuff has come around... lot's of intellectual property has been released, but not much traction for the average "dpkg -i xyz.deb" type stuff [21:41] let me look up some links for you [21:41] http://www.google.com/cse?cx=014345598409501589908%3Amplknj4r1bu&ie=UTF-8&q=VIA+open+source+Harald+Welte&sa=Search [21:41] I am not afraid of configure, make, install etc. :-) [21:41] this should give you a good start [21:42] it's a little more than that [21:42] Harald Welte is with VIA? [21:42] heard a lot of him.... [21:42] yea... big name, big gun, but via has little yet to deliver. [21:42] but hold out hope... things don't change over night. This happened only last summer. [21:43] ok... so what can I do this winter? ;-) [21:43] the hardware acceleration is still not available for mpeg2 or other codecs. [21:43] not with the CX700 [21:43] damn... [21:43] tomtom099: Please watch your language. [21:43] bang [21:43] superm1 Zinn used to know a lot more till he yelled at people for saying "passes" [21:44] he obviously meant, Dam, as in, there is a large block with VIA [21:44] jphillip, but he should learn brit talk like wanker and arse [21:44] I can teach him those [21:44] I rather fancy, Roger [21:45] as in... VIA is really going to Roger us with their drivers === Antharian is now known as Roger1 [21:45] * Roger1 shout's his nick === Roger1 is now known as Antharian [21:46] arse [21:46] jphillip: Please watch your language. [21:46] nice... arse there jphillip [21:46] Antharian: Please watch your language. [21:47] now Daviey will be sad [21:47] well back to you tomtom... or are you still reading Harald stuff [21:47] no i am here [21:47] I have this board: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/spec/J7F5M-VHE.pdf [21:48] with a 1.2 ghz eden processor [21:48] and a KNC one DVB-S card [21:48] arg... wish you wold have opted for the 2.0ghz [21:48] there was no fanless higher than 1.2 [21:49] the fan built into the 2.0 is sooo quiet, that unless your TV is off, and you live in a cave, you would never hear it. [21:49]