[00:04] <enigma> jelmer: I just added a bug for that AssertError I saw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/315666
[00:09] <kumi> fullermd: but I thought if a standalone tree had all of the revisions stored in .bzr? And when I copied it to the remote server and checked the log, all of the revisions were there...
[00:09] <kumi> - if
[00:16] <fullermd> Well, if it was standalone, then yes.
[03:29] <seb_kuzminsky> hi folks, is there an up-to-date ppa for bzrtools and bzr-svn?
[03:29] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm on intrepid
[03:30] <seb_kuzminsky> the bzr ppa has really out-of-date bzrtools packages, and the bzrtools lp project doesnt have its own ppa
[03:30] <seb_kuzminsky> oh i see, the nightly ppa has bzrtools
[03:31] <seb_kuzminsky> never mind me...
[03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, but the bzrtools .deb in the nightly bzr ppa reports version 1.10 (using "bzr plugins"), and then complains it's older than the bzr .deb, which is 1.11rc1:
[03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> 0 seb@water /home/seb/work/bioserve/bionet2.bzr/subtopic/client/watcher>  bzr shelf ls
[03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> Plugin "Bzrtools" is not up to date with installed Bazaar version 1.11rc1.
[03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> There should be a newer version of Bzrtools available, e.g. 1.11.
[03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> Patches on shelf 'default': None
[04:17] <Leefmc> I think i found a bug.. or workflow problem with bzr.. and would like an explanation of it. If i run a test and pastebin in it, can anyone review my actions?
[04:22] <Leefmc> http://dpaste.com/107341/ someone please check it out. Its annoying because it wont let me create a new branch and switch to the newly created branch..
[05:09] <El_Guille2> hola
[05:16] <El_Guille2> has someone used bazaar for web sites ??
[05:37] <verterok> El_Guille2: take a look to the bzr-upload plugin
[05:38] <El_Guille2> yeah .. i did xD
[05:39] <El_Guille2> it is gonna make my life much easier
[05:55] <ziroday> Hi, how can you see bzr's progress on branching?
[06:39] <ziroday> Hi, I keep getting 104 errors when trying to do bzr branch lp:do
[08:34] <j^> how does the loggerhead serve-branch --user-dirs option work?
[08:53] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[08:54] <rysiek|pl> I cannot seem to find a definite answer to this:
[08:55] <rysiek|pl> can a branch hold other branches? or, can a repo hold other repos
[09:00] <fullermd> Depends on what you mean by "hold".
[09:00] <fullermd> You can put a branch underneath another branch, and a repo underneath another repo.  But that doesn't forge a link between them.
[09:00] <rysiek|pl> /path/to/repo1/somedir/repo2/branch
[09:01] <rysiek|pl> so that I could bzr clone /path/to/repo1
[09:01] <fullermd> You can't clone a repo in the first place.
[09:01] <rysiek|pl> AND bzr clone /path/to/repo1/somedir/repo2
[09:01] <rysiek|pl> AND bzr clone /path/to/repo1/somedir/repo2/branch
[09:02] <rysiek|pl> simply put, I need finer-grained control over what can be cloned/checked-out
[09:03] <fullermd> Certainly you could put a branch underneath another one, and clone either one.  But grabbing the outer won't grab the inner; the outer doesn't know anything about it, other than as an unversioned directory inside it.
[09:03] <rysiek|pl> ah
[09:03] <fullermd> Eventually, nested tree support will redefine some of that.
[09:03] <rysiek|pl> well, that defeats the whole purpose of it
[09:04] <rysiek|pl> thing is, I have a project that uses as it's core another bzr-versioned project
[09:04] <rysiek|pl> the idea was to have: project-branch/ and project-branch/core
[09:05] <rysiek|pl> so that changes in project-branch/core can be bzr merged upstream
[09:05] <rysiek|pl> but bzr clone project-branch gets the whole deal, along with project-branch/core
[09:06] <rysiek|pl> and... project-branch is only a mere branch inside a wider meta-project's repo
[09:06] <fullermd> The only way that would work right now would be if you actually merged core into project-branch.  And then those revs couldn't be directly merged upstream, they'd have to be cherry picked.
[09:06] <rysiek|pl> right
[09:06] <fullermd> What you want there is by-reference nested trees.
[09:07] <rysiek|pl> I assume something like project-repo/core-branch and project-repo/project-branch
[09:07] <fullermd> And that's a "someday" feature.
[09:07] <rysiek|pl> would work as expected? i.e. bzr cloninig project-repo would get me both branches
[09:07] <fullermd> You can't clone a repo.  Only a branch.
[09:08] <fullermd> Shared repositories aren't semantic units in bzr.
[09:08] <rysiek|pl> ah
[09:08] <rysiek|pl> so there would be no single operation on the repo I could perform to get all the branches within?
[09:09] <fullermd> Not built into bzr, no.
[09:09] <fullermd> There's no way to ask a repo "what branches do you have"; it doesn't know.
[09:10] <rysiek|pl> so, what's the point, actually, in creating a repo, instead of a "dumb" directory with branches within?
[09:11] <fullermd> It saves space and I/O, since you only have one copy of common history.
[09:11] <fullermd> If you've got two branches that aren't related, of course, you don't save anything.
[09:12] <rysiek|pl> right
[09:12] <rysiek|pl> thanks, that got a lot things cleared-up
[09:12] <fullermd> There's a command 'branches' in bzrtools that looks under a dir and tries to list all the branches there.
[09:13] <fullermd> But it does it by walking the dir tree and asking each dir "Hi there, are you a branch?"
[09:14] <fullermd> (works pretty much the same whether you're scanning a repo, a bunch of standalone branches, a dir tree with 5 different repos in it, etc)
[09:14] <rysiek|pl> I've found a plugin or two that more or less do what I need
[09:16] <fullermd> There's been talk about a scmproj plugin (or some name like that) lately, which could help.
[09:18] <rysiek|pl> but come to think about it, those nested trees would be awesome
[09:19] <fullermd> Yeah.  The feature would be perfect, if it were done   :)
[09:19] <fullermd> scmproj (AIUI) gives you something similar, with a little outside help.  I could be wrong though; I'm not watching it too closely.
[11:18] <garyvdm> Hi - Is there a way to check if there is a working tree in a remote location?
[11:20] <garyvdm> Unfortunately BzrDir.has_workingtree allway raises NotLocalUrl weather there is a working tree or not.
[11:21] <garyvdm> Note: I do not intend to open the working tree remotely. I'm actual want to check that it is not there.
[12:30] <wekt> Is there a more up to date package source for Debian Lenny?
[12:41] <maxb> Get packages from experimental and rebuild?
[14:46] <beuno> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090107-dvcs-adoption-is-soaring-among-open-source-projects.html
[16:51] <vadi2> Hello. Is it possible to see the history of a specific file only, not the whole branch?
[16:52] <luks> bzr log <file>
[16:53] <vadi2> I see, thanks
[17:13] <gutworth> why does cmd_missing have to lock the branches twice?
[17:13] <gutworth> it does so in the cmd_missing class and in bzrlib.missing.find_unmerged
[17:15] <LarstiQ> did it drop the first lock by then?
[17:16] <gutworth> no
[17:37] <kumi> related to vadi2's question: is it possible to see the history of a specific file that existed previously, but is deleted in the tip revision?
[17:54] <Ambro> hello i am a web developer and i am new at version control systems
[17:55] <Ambro> i am uploading a website, i use bzr-upload plugin and it is working but i have two different files locally and remotely
[17:55] <Ambro> there is a mysql conection php file lets say conection.php
[17:56] <Ambro> but they are different ....  how should i use bazaar in this case ???
[17:57] <luks> I'd suggest to not version them
[17:57] <luks> version the default configuration in a different file instead
[17:57] <luks> e.g. config.php.default is versioned, config.php is always local and not versioned
[17:58] <Ambro> that would be just deleting the files from bazaar right
[17:58] <Ambro> deleting and keeping them of course ...
[17:59] <luks> yes
[17:59] <luks> maybe somebody has a different idea, but this is what works for me
[18:02] <Ambro> ok thanks i'll try that
[18:22] <ronny> LarstiQ: any quick idea for running anyvc tests with different bzr versions?
[18:32] <LarstiQ> ronny: you need to have different versions of bzrlib in the python path
[18:33] <ronny> hmm
[18:33] <ronny> i wonder if i can make up a test-rerunner that runs the testsuite once per vcs + version and collects the results
[18:33] <ronny> combined with a setuptool to set those up
[19:05] <Ambro> bzr-upload remembers only one old location and not the last i used
[19:05] <Ambro> how can i get it to remember a specific location ???
[19:06] <Ambro> or maybe i'll just use an alias ..
[19:06] <james_w> Ambro: bzr upload --remember <location>?
[19:08] <Ambro> thanks
[19:08] <Ambro> can i get it to remember the password ?? .. i tried putting it in the remembered location but it asks me for it again
[19:20] <ronny> LarstiQ: btw, i finally found a way to correctly abstract bzr
[19:21] <LarstiQ> ronny: oh?
[19:22] <ronny> LarstiQ: i have 3 basic entities - repo, branch, workdir
[19:22] <ronny> they will be in arbitar relations from 1:1 up to n:m
[19:22] <ronny> and they can be located together
[19:22] <LarstiQ> ronny: heh, that is exactly what the bazaar concepts are too
[19:23] <LarstiQ> so you're modelling bazaar 1:1 then
[19:23] <ronny> no
[19:23] <ronny> branch/workdir relations are different
[19:23] <LarstiQ> how do they differ?
[19:23] <ronny> workdirs may not have a single asociated branch
[19:24] <ronny> in monotone it can be arbitrary
[19:24] <LarstiQ> ah yes
[19:24] <LarstiQ> do they need to be tied to 1 repo though?
[19:24] <LarstiQ> or does that not matter
[19:24] <ronny> and in git/hg the model of workdir=repo + n branches fits
[19:24] <lucypher> Hi, is there any way I can keep (777) permissions of a folder?
[19:24]  * LarstiQ nods at ronny
[19:25] <ronny> as for darcs, repo=workdir=branch
[19:25] <ronny> so its like a standalone bzr branch
[19:26] <ronny> workdirs/branches will have "tags" they may be movable/fixed and local/distributed
[19:30] <treeform> hi am having problems doing bzr co on a 512mb server because it taken 100% of memory and swap (about 1.5GB - kernel)
[19:30] <treeform> is there a way to get around this kind of memory usage?
[19:34] <treeform> i will try to copy the .bzr part and bzr co from that, i think i did that once and it worked
[20:14] <Peng_> treeform: What version of bzr? Memory usage tends to get better over time.
[20:17] <treeform> 1.8
[23:16] <Jaearess> Does anyone have experience with setting up a Bazaar shared repository with Redmine? When I point Redmine to my Bazaar repository, it tells me "The entry or revision was not found in the repository" and the error "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /path/to/my/repository/.bzr/branch/" shows up in my Apache logs. I know Bazaar is working fine because I've had Redmine working with a single branch before.
[23:17] <luks> maybe it can only work with branches?
[23:17] <RAOF> Is that error verbatim?  If so, it looks like there's a little configuration you need to da :)
[23:19] <Jaearess> No, it's not verbatim. The path in Redmine is correct, I just took it out of the error message.
[23:30] <Jaearess> If it's only capable of working with branches, is there a way of doing multiple branches per project (sub-branches or something)?
[23:32] <Jaearess> Since Redmine will only take one repository per project I mean. If it can only work with a branch, is there a way to work with multiple branches inside that one branch? (So there could be a development branch, stable branch, releases, etc.)
[23:32] <Peng_> This sounds like more of a Redmine question.
[23:33] <Jaearess> Okay, I've tried finding out there and got to response at all, so I was hoping someone here could help. Thanks anyway.
[23:33] <Jaearess> No repsonse, rather.
[23:55] <Pete_> Hello.  Can anyone help me get loggerhead to work on apache?  I have it running on the localhost:80, but cant get it to work when someone types in : http://bzr.website.com
[23:58] <Pete_> To be clear i have gotten it to show up using mod rewrite to force everything to localhost:8080... however, loggerhead seems to screw up and displays links for files as localhost:8080, disregarding the mod rewrite