| terli | *coughs silently* | 00:41 |
|---|---|---|
| terli | I just upgraded to kernel ~9 on a whim. | 00:41 |
| terli | My sound is shot. | 00:42 |
| crimsun | ~9? | 00:42 |
| terli | the latest revision. | 00:43 |
| crimsun | 2.6.28-4.9? | 00:43 |
| terli | I erm, ran 'pulseaudio in a terminal and it says I'm not in pulse-rt, whatever that means | 00:43 |
| crimsun | irrelevant | 00:43 |
| terli | yes, 2.6~~9 | 00:44 |
| crimsun | first, you need to be running *current* jaunty | 00:44 |
| terli | I am. | 00:44 |
| terli | everything updated. | 00:44 |
| terli | two reboots. | 00:44 |
| crimsun | as of 5 minutes ago? | 00:44 |
| terli | as of 20. | 00:44 |
| crimsun | ok, good. now run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh (bash) | 00:44 |
| terli | thx. | 00:44 |
| terli | http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a18500574c8afce9076ca7a491668feb7c5b1e81 | 00:46 |
| terli | um, pulsaudio... | 00:46 |
| terli | care to give me a very very short technical rundown on how alsa fits into the new pulseaudio thingy? | 00:47 |
| crimsun | sound hardware -> kernel (alsa-kernel/driver) -> alsa-lib -> pulseaudio | 00:47 |
| crimsun | see my presentation if you want more detail | 00:48 |
| terli | that's detailed enough | 00:48 |
| crimsun | anyhow, so your volume settings look, unsurprisingly, like they're muted and/or zeroed | 00:48 |
| crimsun | take a look at 'PCM', mainly | 00:49 |
| terli | I'm on a laptop | 00:49 |
| terli | I am pressing the "mute" multimedia key and it's not toggling | 00:50 |
| crimsun | depending on your vendor, you may need also to unmute and increase 'Headphone' and 'Master Mono' | 00:50 |
| terli | I mean, it is, but it's doing it twice. | 00:50 |
| crimsun | that's a completely different problem. one problem at a time, please. | 00:50 |
| crimsun | right now, your sound is inaudible because the volumes are muted and zeroed. you should fix that. | 00:50 |
| terli | *looks* | 00:51 |
| crimsun | i.e., amixer -Dhw:0 set 'PCM' 80% && amixer -Dhw:0 set 'PCM' unmute | 00:51 |
| terli | did there used to be a way to get at it on the menu? | 00:51 |
| terli | ran it anyway. | 00:52 |
| crimsun | yes, use the speaker icon (mixer_applet) in the notification area | 00:52 |
| terli | not really having any affect. output and "applications I'm afraid. | 00:52 |
| terli | Mono: | 00:52 |
| terli | Front Left: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [off] | 00:52 |
| terli | Front Right: Playback 25 [81%] [3.00dB] [off] | 00:52 |
| terli | and then... | 00:53 |
| terli | it puts out the exact same thing | 00:53 |
| terli | only it says on. | 00:53 |
| terli | but, I still can't hear anything, just so you know. | 00:53 |
| crimsun | did you also set 'Headphone' and 'Master Mono'? | 00:54 |
| terli | I don't have those. | 00:55 |
| crimsun | i assure you that you do. the volume applet may not expose them by default, but you definitely have them. | 00:55 |
| terli | that is probably the case. | 00:55 |
| terli | found it | 00:56 |
| terli | well, I think I found it. I'm selecting master mono but...it's not having any effect. | 00:57 |
| terli | I mean, I'm selecting it, pressing close, opening volume control and it's not doing anything different. | 00:58 |
| crimsun | pastebin your `amixer -Dhw:0' | 00:58 |
| terli | http://pastebin.com/m10fd451a | 00:59 |
| crimsun | 'Master Mono' and 'Headphone' are still muted | 01:00 |
| terli | right. | 01:00 |
| crimsun | please unmute those first, then try muting 'External Amplifier' | 01:00 |
| terli | by? | 01:00 |
| crimsun | you can use gnome-alsamixer, alsamixer -Dhw:0, amixer -Dhw:0 set ..., ... | 01:01 |
| crimsun | e.g., amixer -Dhw:0 set 'Master Mono' unmute && amixer -Dhw:0 set 'Headphone' unmute && amixer -Dhw:0 set 'External Amplifier' mute | 01:01 |
| terli | its ok | 01:01 |
| terli | getting alsamixer now | 01:02 |
| crimsun | alsamixer or gnome-alsamixer? | 01:02 |
| terli | gnome- | 01:02 |
| crimsun | the former is already installed; it's part of the alsa-utils package. | 01:02 |
| terli | changed mute/unmute in gnome-alsamixer. | 01:04 |
| terli | WARNING **: gam_toggle_get_state (). No idea what to do for mixer element "Mono Output Select"! << whatever that means, I'm sure someone knows | 01:05 |
| terli | amixer still thinks that everything is off | 01:05 |
| crimsun | amixer won't lie to you | 01:05 |
| terli | amixer now thinks that master and master-mono are on. | 01:06 |
| terli | but not mono-mix | 01:06 |
| terli | er, mix mono | 01:06 |
| terli | which is probably input-related | 01:06 |
| crimsun | and that g-a message is displayed because it doesn't know how to properly handle elements with no range or mute control | 01:06 |
| crimsun | bug in g-a, of course. | 01:06 |
| terli | never shows. | 01:07 |
| crimsun | 'Mix Mono' is capture-related, yes | 01:07 |
| terli | until you use it to send a rocket to the moon. | 01:07 |
| crimsun | anyhow, once you have all those ('PCM', 'Headphone', 'Master Mono', and 'External Amplifier') set, try: pasuspender -- speaker-test -Dplughw:0 -c2 | 01:08 |
| terli | *presses a key experimentally* | 01:08 |
| terli | uhuh, I thought that might have tipped the scales. | 01:08 |
| terli | this ibm has... | 01:08 |
| terli | hardware audio in addition to software. | 01:08 |
| terli | so even now that I've *corrected* alsa's heresy, it was still sorta muted. | 01:09 |
| crimsun | it wasn't alsa's fault at all | 01:09 |
| crimsun | some other application told alsa to do something, and alsa did the right thing | 01:09 |
| terli | I think it could have been exaile. | 01:09 |
| terli | I got this brief popup... | 01:10 |
| terli | muting something.. | 01:10 |
| terli | damm pythonites. | 01:10 |
| terli | now I've got to remove it, no telling what it will do next, sure thing in the morning I'm running mac os x inside of gedit and random bits of the universe are coming out of my powerport... | 01:11 |
| terli | thanks. | 01:11 |
| BotLobsta | anyone know why my 2.6.28 kernels will not boot after I resized my root, home, and swap partitions but my 2.6.24 kernel will? | 02:16 |
| spitfire | BotLobsta: nfc. | 02:26 |
| spitfire | is it still based on 2.6.28-rc? | 02:26 |
| BotLobsta | the 2.6.28 kernel in jaunty? | 02:27 |
| BotLobsta | i would think not but i dont know | 02:27 |
| spitfire | yeah | 02:27 |
| spitfire | in previous alpa it was still rc | 02:27 |
| spitfire | BotLobsta: what did chnage since last alpha? | 02:28 |
| BotLobsta | i have seen a few new kernel packages in the past few days | 02:28 |
| BotLobsta | when was the last alpha? | 02:28 |
| spitfire | 17 dec | 02:28 |
| spitfire | And the only highlights since inrepid were new kernel and xorg. | 02:29 |
| spitfire | any new thingies? | 02:29 |
| BotLobsta | ummm | 02:29 |
| BotLobsta | it seems like almost everything has been updated since then | 02:30 |
| BotLobsta | i get like 60 updates a day so its tough for me to remember what big things are new | 02:30 |
| spitfire | Here is what I know: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2 | 02:31 |
| spitfire | noticed ay other difference from intrepid (not mentioning just updates) | 02:31 |
| BotLobsta | not really | 02:32 |
| BotLobsta | i run xubuntu so there arent as many big changes for me | 02:32 |
| BotLobsta | the latest kernel is 2.6.28-4 so i believe its based on the final release of 2.6.28 | 02:33 |
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| * x1250 likes firefox-3.1b2, is a lot faster :) | 02:59 | |
| BotLobsta | much faster than what? | 02:59 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, faster than 3.0 ofcourse | 03:00 |
| BotLobsta | ah | 03:01 |
| BotLobsta | i dont remember that much of an improvement | 03:01 |
| BotLobsta | but last time i ran 3.1 was a few months ago | 03:02 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, beta 2 uses the new javascript engine by default :) | 03:03 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, ah. i do remember that big improvement | 03:03 |
| x1250 | yeah, that was really needed | 03:04 |
| BotLobsta | it was | 03:04 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, what is the error you get at boot? | 03:47 |
| BotLobsta | it just beeps at me until i turn it off | 03:48 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, nothing shows up on the screen after the first message | 03:48 |
| x1250 | maybe you should report a bug on launchpad | 03:50 |
| BotLobsta | i just dont have the faintest idea as to what it could be | 03:50 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, did that kernel ever worked for you? | 03:52 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, yea it worked perfectly until I resized/moved my partitions earlier today | 03:52 |
| x1250 | I guess the best you can do is file a bug report, if you haven't | 03:55 |
| BotLobsta | i havent yet | 03:55 |
| BotLobsta | ill try that and see how it goes | 03:55 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, file a bug report in launchpad, and one in http://bugzilla.kernel.org/, and link them | 03:57 |
| x1250 | in that way it will get fixed fast, and the patch will be applied fast, if someone fixes it | 03:57 |
| BotLobsta | im wondering if its more of a configuration error on my side or an actual bug | 03:58 |
| x1250 | do you have something in mind? | 04:04 |
| BotLobsta | I was thinking some of my UUIDs got messed up (especially my swap one) and the new ones werent put in all the spots they need to be | 04:05 |
| DanaG | yo, anyone know how to make Gnome do this: pop up a notification upon pressing a certain key? | 04:06 |
| BotLobsta | i put my new swap partition's uuid in /etc/fstab but thats the only place i changed it | 04:06 |
| DanaG | I have a key $KEY_LIGHT that's the ambient-light-sensor toggle thing; I want it to notify-send the status of the ambient light sensor. | 04:07 |
| x1250 | DanaG, use gconf-editor to set a key combination in /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1, and put your script in /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1. I guess that should work. | 04:18 |
| DanaG | hmm, key is 0xc5. | 04:21 |
| Andre_Gondim | I am using Intrepid, always when I try to upgrade to jaunty with update-manage -d I receve this message "http://sft.if.usp.br/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)" does not matter what mirror I am using, what am I do? | 04:26 |
| DanaG | jaunty-updates does not exist, I'd imagine. =รพ | 04:26 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, the script worked. Now I can tell whether my Ambient Light Sensor is on or off -- I scripted notify-send. | 04:27 |
| DanaG | ... but compiz doesn't run it! | 04:27 |
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| DanaG | Only metacity runs the thing on demand. | 04:27 |
| DanaG | Stupid compiz. | 04:28 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/158855 | 04:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 158855 in compiz "[compiz] Strg+Esc Shortkey doesn't work" [Low,Triaged] | 04:29 |
| x1250 | DanaG, tried some other key combination? | 04:31 |
| DanaG | I also have things bound to XF86Launch1 and XF86Launch2... but they don't work with compiz, either. | 04:32 |
| x1250 | try asking on #compiz, maybe its already fixed (and you can get a patch). | 04:34 |
| x1250 | booh, today I realized the fan for my video card is not working (dell inspiron 9400, ati x1400). I wonder if its jaunty's fault. Is there any way to get some info about the fan, somewhere? | 04:42 |
| x1250 | maybe it died :( | 04:43 |
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| DanaG | Oh hey, is there any way to get PulseAudio to run a specific command when I insert a specific device? | 05:21 |
| pradeep | does today's daily have ext4 enabled? | 05:56 |
| lucent | I'm trying to find out why initramfs and LVM broke recently | 07:36 |
| crimsun | how recently? | 07:36 |
| crimsun | 6 hours ago? 2 days ago? 1 week ago? | 07:36 |
| lucent | crimsun: between Jaunty Alpha 2 and now | 07:37 |
| crimsun | oh geez | 07:37 |
| crimsun | well, that's a cracktonne of changes, yanno | 07:37 |
| crimsun | linux, lvm2, udev/watershed | 07:38 |
| lucent | huh, watershed? that is a new one for me | 07:38 |
| lucent | what is that /where is documentation | 07:38 |
| crimsun | /usr/share/doc/watershed | 07:39 |
| lucent | that only lists the changelog and copyright | 07:39 |
| lucent | do I need to install the documentation? | 07:39 |
| crimsun | well, i figured that you could read the changelog.gz for udev/watershed | 07:40 |
| crimsun | hint: watershed itself isn't all that immediately important here in terms of your breakage | 07:41 |
| lucent | oh | 07:41 |
| lucent | well you could just say that | 07:41 |
| crimsun | dude, i have no idea what your config is | 07:41 |
| lucent | watershed documentation doesn't exist where you say it is | 07:41 |
| crimsun | watershed could be important, but i don't know | 07:41 |
| crimsun | "my arm hurts!" "uh, ok..." | 07:41 |
| lucent | if you don't know what it is then why are you telling me to read the /usr/share/doc/watershed/ files? or the changelog which only says one entry "initial release" | 07:42 |
| lucent | don't waste my time please | 07:42 |
| lucent | I don't mind if you don't know | 07:42 |
| crimsun | dude, _i_ know what watershed is. i'm asking you what your config is. | 07:42 |
| lucent | but don't waste my time on documentation that doesn't exists | 07:42 |
| lucent | oh | 07:42 |
| lucent | root on ext4 on LVM with grub2 bootloader | 07:43 |
| lucent | right now the Grub2 part works great and initramfs loads, but doesn't find the device nodes for /dev/mapper/volzontar-root (an LVM volume) | 07:43 |
| crimsun | then i'm guessing your brekage lies in linux, lvm2, and udev | 07:43 |
| crimsun | breakage* | 07:44 |
| lucent | to get it booting I type "lvm vgscan --mknodes; lvm vgchange -ay" and exit | 07:44 |
| lucent | the system boots | 07:44 |
| lucent | how do I find out which package update has the regression though? | 07:44 |
| lucent | I need to know which version of lvm2 and initramfs-tools was in jaunty alpha 2 | 07:44 |
| lucent | how do I find out that info? | 07:44 |
| crimsun | check the manifest for the isos. | 07:44 |
| lucent | hm, manifest, okay | 07:45 |
| lucent | the weird part is that those commands haven't changed | 07:45 |
| lucent | everything should work but initramfs does not run the scripts | 07:45 |
| lucent | what does watershed do? You said you know about it | 07:46 |
| lucent | the documentation is not where you say it is | 07:46 |
| lucent | so what does watershed do? | 07:46 |
| crimsun | it handles idempotency, but as i suspected, it's not relevant for you | 07:46 |
| crimsun | your breakage is linux+lvm+udev | 07:47 |
| crimsun | although now that i look at it closer, it's more than likely just lvm+udev | 07:47 |
| crimsun | the first thing i would do is revert to the last udev 124 | 07:48 |
| lucent | I think that initramfs-tools is failing to run a script or something | 07:48 |
| lucent | or udev doesn't make the nodes | 07:48 |
| crimsun | note that udev did undergo a massive upgrade (124->136) entailing multiple significant changes | 07:49 |
| crimsun | the only changes i see in initramfs-tools were to add watershed (not important) and ext4 if not available in the kernel | 07:49 |
| lucent | the ext4 part works okay, I have tested this | 07:50 |
| crimsun | where in the initramfs is the lvm breakage? | 07:50 |
| lucent | before then I must pass rootfstype=ext4 to the kernel | 07:50 |
| crimsun | i.e., are you waiting for busybox to show up? | 07:50 |
| crimsun | or are you passing something explicitly, like break=mount ? | 07:50 |
| lucent | well, when initramfs gives up trying to find the root device, and shows me busybox... there's no lvm nodes in /dev/mapper | 07:51 |
| lucent | initramfs is timing out because it can't find the device (/dev/mapper/volzontar-root) | 07:51 |
| lucent | there exists an lvm-related script in the busybox / initramfs environment then which should have activated my lvm volumes | 07:52 |
| lucent | brb I'm going to reboot and test if the volumes are activated but not having nodes (which would indicate an udev issue) | 07:53 |
| lucent | crimsun: something is messed up I'm guessing, because "mdadm" doesn't exist as a script in initramfs scripts | 08:07 |
| lucent | crimsun: please have a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/lvm2 and tell me what you think, won't that fail because of a missing mdadm script? | 08:07 |
| crimsun | lucent: is mdadm even installed? (it isn't locally) | 08:10 |
| lucent | un mdadm <none> (no description available) | 08:11 |
| lucent | nopers. | 08:11 |
| lucent | that's super wierd | 08:11 |
| lucent | weird*... should that be removed from the lvm2 hook, does it matter? | 08:11 |
| lucent | I could try removing 'mdadm' text from the script and observe | 08:12 |
| crimsun | it likely was deinstalled due to udev->* scheduling | 08:12 |
| crimsun | i.e., migration to udev 136, its corresponding deprecation of /etc/udev/rules.d, and its versioned rdepends | 08:13 |
| crimsun | note that scott has been handling the migration largely himself; jaunty-changes has a bunch of his uploads migrating to the new udev world order | 08:14 |
| lucent | crimsun: ah okay. Well, all I can figure out is that the presence of "mdadm" does not seem to make a difference in the lvm2 script | 08:23 |
| lucent | crimsun: also, I narrowed it down to the execution of "lvm vgchange" command; running lvm vgchange does create the needed nodes | 08:23 |
| lucent | so I see "lvm vgchange" exists in a script on the initramfs when I am kicked out into busybox, but why ... is it not running? does it run and gets ignored or overwritten somehow... I don't know the order of execution for that | 08:24 |
| crimsun | to troubleshoot that, you'd need to step through the initramfs sequence; use break=mount | 08:26 |
| crimsun | i think there's an irclog of that somewhere | 08:26 |
| lucent | alright | 08:28 |
| lucent | that's further than I got yesterday anyways, thanks | 08:28 |
| lucent | oh about rules.d, it's depreciated... does anything replace its function? | 08:28 |
| crimsun | it's not deprecated; the location changed | 08:29 |
| crimsun | -> /lib/udev/rules.d | 08:29 |
| lucent | ah, okay | 08:30 |
| lucent | one more question, how to revert the behavior of the system bell that just started again in Jaunty Alpha 2? | 08:31 |
| lucent | it's not pcspkr... I've rmmod'ed that | 08:32 |
| lucent | on my laptop computer it emits this decidedly irritating noise at maximum volume through the audio device | 08:32 |
| lucent | making me crazy here :P | 08:32 |
| crimsun | depends on your hardware | 08:34 |
| crimsun | hda-intel now handles it on some platforms; on others, it can be at the hardware level (e.g., thinkpads) | 08:36 |
| lucent | agh, must be hda-intel as a rough guess | 08:36 |
| lucent | I want to stabbity kill kill x stab stab that changeset | 08:36 |
| crimsun | hopefully you don't have snd_pcsp loaded | 08:37 |
| lucent | wait | 08:37 |
| lucent | I just muted it with alsamixer? is that right? | 08:37 |
| * lucent smiles :) | 08:37 | |
| crimsun | yes | 08:37 |
| crimsun | again, it's exposed through hda-intel on certain platforms | 08:37 |
| lucent | I'm really glad that you mentioned hda-intel as a possible | 08:38 |
| lucent | thanks | 08:38 |
| * tritium waves at crimsun | 08:42 | |
| crimsun | lucent: yw | 08:42 |
| crimsun | heya tritium | 08:42 |
| tritium | How are you, crimsun? | 08:42 |
| crimsun | exhausted, you? (have to get to work in some hours) | 08:43 |
| tritium | Doing ok, thanks. Let's chat another time. Go get some rest! | 08:44 |
| * lucent hovers over the "submit bug report" option | 08:45 | |
| lucent | crimsun: the error is caused by watershed, indirectly | 08:49 |
| lucent | I'm surprised though | 08:49 |
| lucent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/315580 | 08:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 315580 in initramfs-tools "jaunty: initramfs fails to activate root LV" [Undecided,New] | 08:49 |
| lucent | well that's one possibility, I have not confirmed here | 08:50 |
| x1250 | whats the matter with apport-gtk? it can't send reports. Error is: <urlopen error The read operation timed out> | 11:17 |
| Alexia_Death | Morning. | 11:19 |
| Alexia_Death | Last nights updates killed sound for me... | 11:19 |
| Alexia_Death | Anybody else with same issue? | 11:19 |
| Alexia_Death | It seems pulseaudio is used for everything but nothing gets out... | 11:20 |
| lemonade | i have same issue | 11:23 |
| Alexia_Death | aaaan... output module list only lists my modem... | 11:23 |
| Alexia_Death | in normal setup Id get two devices | 11:24 |
| x1250 | Alexia_Death, did you check your sound preferences? Inside "volume control" there's another volume slider. Check that. | 11:24 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: I did | 11:24 |
| Alexia_Death | All of them are on | 11:24 |
| x1250 | Alexia_Death, try $ pulseaudio -k, and open totem or anything and check if it works. | 11:25 |
| x1250 | you'll be using alsa, so it if don't work, pulseaudio is not guilty. | 11:25 |
| Alexia_Death | hmm | 11:27 |
| Alexia_Death | I tried to tell amarok to use alsa plugin | 11:27 |
| Alexia_Death | Killed amarok | 11:27 |
| Alexia_Death | and no, still does not work | 11:28 |
| Alexia_Death | so its alsa that is broke. | 11:28 |
| Alexia_Death | I remeber seeing something about alsa in the updates list. | 11:28 |
| x1250 | alsa-utils was updated yesterday. It works here though. | 11:33 |
| x1250 | lemonade, what happens if you run: $ pulseaudio -k, and check if sound works? | 11:37 |
| x1250 | you need to restart the sound program you use ofcourse | 11:37 |
| Alexia_Death | hmm | 11:39 |
| Alexia_Death | I dont even know how to figure it out... | 11:39 |
| Alexia_Death | Is there an alsa test routine somewhere I could run? | 11:40 |
| x1250 | check /var/log for anything | 11:41 |
| lemonade | x1250: ok, just a moment i'll try | 11:49 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: neither dmesg, messages nor kernlog has anything of interest | 11:52 |
| afflux | x1250: for the apport thing, someone told me that this would be related to LP being too slow | 11:57 |
| x1250 | afflux, it makes sense, LP _is_ slow, lately. | 11:59 |
| afflux | not sure how to workaround it, I think I wasn't even able to submit any crash report for the jaunty cycle | 12:00 |
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| * Alexia_Death grumbles | 12:44 | |
| Alexia_Death | no audio | 12:44 |
| Alexia_Death | Any ideas what to look at about my sound issue. | 13:02 |
| Alexia_Death | Its clear now that its an alsa issue | 13:02 |
| Alexia_Death | For aplications theres no issue. everyting is playing and nothing is muted | 13:03 |
| Alexia_Death | but no beep comes out since updates last night, | 13:03 |
| Alexia_Death | O_O | 13:04 |
| Alexia_Death | Aaah. | 13:04 |
| Alexia_Death | Okay. Front speakers were muted in alsamixer O_O | 13:04 |
| Alexia_Death | For the device | 13:05 |
| Alexia_Death | That I could not get that easy if I didnt kill of pulseaudio first. | 13:05 |
| Alexia_Death | get to* | 13:06 |
| Alexia_Death | Okay | 13:13 |
| Alexia_Death | Nature of the bug established | 13:13 |
| Alexia_Death | Alsa device is always started with muted front speakers | 13:14 |
| Alexia_Death | After reboot unmute is gone. | 13:14 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I think it sometimes also happened on intrepid | 13:14 |
| Alexia_Death | spitfire: never to me on my hardwarw | 13:15 |
| spitfire | according to pulseaudio thread i read | 13:15 |
| Alexia_Death | headset too. | 13:15 |
| Alexia_Death | Oh, pulseaudio | 13:15 |
| spitfire | but didn't see it happening | 13:15 |
| Alexia_Death | Inever used pulseaudio in intrepid | 13:15 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I'm on my way to pulse ;) | 13:15 |
| Alexia_Death | Its not easy to fix either:( | 13:15 |
| spitfire | I'm on intrepid, just backporting alsa bluez pulse and rhythmbox/ | 13:16 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: It works locally. | 13:16 |
| Alexia_Death | the bulez thing crashes pulseaudi for me. | 13:16 |
| Alexia_Death | pulseaudio* | 13:16 |
| spitfire | But I want to get sound played across network;) | 13:16 |
| Alexia_Death | I have bt headset | 13:16 |
| Alexia_Death | :D | 13:16 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I don't | 13:16 |
| spitfire | It's not what I want to use it for. | 13:17 |
| * Alexia_Death contemplates adding this channel to her auto join list. | 13:17 | |
| Alexia_Death | who was it who had the same problem I did with sound? | 13:17 |
| Alexia_Death | alsamixer -Dhw:0 to get to the device alsamixer. | 13:18 |
| Alexia_Death | Unmute anything there. | 13:18 |
| * Alexia_Death contemplates failing a bug about this. | 13:19 | |
| Alexia_Death | I consder myself an advanced user and this took me over an hour to figure out... Most will be lost.. | 13:19 |
| c_korn | hello | 13:54 |
| c_korn | someone | 13:55 |
| c_korn | argh | 13:55 |
| c_korn | I have an entry in /etc/crypttab for sda4_crypt. can I add another entry with sda4_crypt that uses a keyfile instead of a passphrase? | 13:56 |
| tim_sharitt | I lost my sound settings in System > Preferences after an update (thursday?), Is that the norm, or did I screw something up? | 13:59 |
| x1250 | tim_sharitt, thats ok, change intended. Double click de volume applet to get the sounds preferences now. There is no much there though :P | 14:06 |
| tim_sharitt | x1250, Thanks, I figured something was changed. Just wanted to make sure something wasn't broke. | 14:08 |
| tux91 | Hello everybody. Does anyone have their sound broken after recent updates | 14:18 |
| tux91 | ? | 14:18 |
| Alexia_Death | tux91: I did | 14:21 |
| Alexia_Death | tux91: lsamixer -Dhw:0 and see if unmuting stuf helps | 14:22 |
| Alexia_Death | alsamixer* | 14:22 |
| Alexia_Death | My front and headphones start up unmuted after restart | 14:22 |
| c_korn | does anyone know how to setup a keyfile for the encrypted swap? this guide worked for the /home partition but when I try it with swap I am still asked for the passphrase at boot: http://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile | 14:22 |
| tux91 | Alexia_Death: it worked! thanks so much | 14:23 |
| Alexia_Death | welcome. Spent hours earlyer trying to figure it out;) | 14:23 |
| Alexia_Death | start up muted* | 14:23 |
| * Alexia_Death grumbles. | 14:24 | |
| Alexia_Death | Filing a bug about this. Seems like a common issue by now. | 14:24 |
| x1250 | Alexia_Death, you finally fixed it, great :) ..... lemonade, does Alexia_Death fix helps you too? | 14:24 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: yes :) | 14:25 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: main trick was getting arount to the hw alsacontrols without killing pulseaudio first. | 14:25 |
| Alexia_Death | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/315809 <- bug filed | 14:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 315809 in ubuntu "[Jaunty] Sound card outputs start muted after recent updates to use pulseaudio" [Undecided,New] | 14:32 |
| Alexia_Death | Anybody else but me have serious problems with stability of 1.6 X? | 14:34 |
| Alexia_Death | I dont mind quircks but frequent crashes are no fun:P | 14:35 |
| x1250 | Alexia_Death, anything on the logs? | 14:35 |
| x1250 | or post a crashed log to pastebin, and xorg.conf | 14:36 |
| x1250 | what video card, driver? | 14:36 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: most traces start with graphics. Those that are left that is. Input is totally broken too, but I have several patches applied that fix most of those from upstream | 14:36 |
| Alexia_Death | nvidia, both unsupported wrong abi binary driver and nv are unstable. | 14:36 |
| Alexia_Death | Unpatched plugging in a wacom kills X dead | 14:37 |
| x1250 | aah, you'll have to wait, unsupported means "they" don't care about your problems, yet | 14:37 |
| Alexia_Death | yeah, but nv is just as broken | 14:37 |
| Alexia_Death | And slow as hell:P | 14:37 |
| x1250 | post Xorg.0.log from nv then | 14:38 |
| Alexia_Death | Will, once i generate one. | 14:38 |
| Alexia_Death | Running with nvidia now. | 14:38 |
| charlie-tca | Anybody having issues with Xubuntu not giving the desktop? | 14:39 |
| c_korn | hello | 14:44 |
| c_korn | someone knows how to setup a keyfile for an encrypted swap partition? | 14:44 |
| c_korn | so that I only need to enter the passphrase of the root partition at boot | 14:45 |
| c_korn | and not the passphrase for root+swap | 14:45 |
| c_korn | this guide has worked for my home partition | 14:49 |
| c_korn | http://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile | 14:50 |
| c_korn | but it cannot be used for swap because I am still asked for thr swap partition passphrase at startup | 14:50 |
| Splex_ | anyone suddenly have sound stop working on a recent update? | 15:22 |
| homy | Splex_: with me, sound works fine (I updated everything about an hour ago) | 15:25 |
| x1250 | Splex, ... | 15:26 |
| x1250 | <Alexia_Death> tux91: lsamixer -Dhw:0 and see if unmuting stuf helps | 15:26 |
| x1250 | <Alexia_Death> alsamixer* | 15:26 |
| Splex_ | x1250: thanks, im trying that through alsamixer now | 15:26 |
| Splex_ | x1250: im also wondering why there is no gui access via volume control... or am i missing something? | 15:27 |
| Splex_ | is the gnome volume control now a frontend for pulseaudio? | 15:27 |
| x1250 | Splex, I guess calling it a frontend is too much for the poor thing, at least for now. It only controls volumes, but can do so per application, which is good, if you feel like it. | 15:31 |
| Splex_ | basically what pulseaudio volume control does... | 15:31 |
| homy | Hi! I have problems with an nvidia card. In intrepid I use restricted drivers in order to get a higher resolution, here jockey doesn't show me any available drivers. | 15:33 |
| legodude | homy: I was told that you can't get them working with jaunty :( | 15:34 |
| legodude | the drivers are not compatibile with jaunty (X? kernel?) | 15:34 |
| homy | Will this problem be solved until jaunty is final/beta ? | 15:34 |
| x1250 | homy, try "nv" drivers | 15:36 |
| homy | x1250: it is installed, but my xorg doesn't list any driver, so isn't it used then? | 15:37 |
| homy | ok, so I'll do a xserver restart now. I'll come back when x is back up. | 15:38 |
| legodude | nv didn't seem to work for me | 15:39 |
| homy | Hi. I tried the "nv" driver, but it is even worse than the default (vesa? ). I only get the "bulletproof X". | 15:43 |
| legodude | I get a mouse cursor atop garbage | 15:47 |
| Alexia_Death | lemonade: Was your sound issue the same as mine? | 16:16 |
| === Turms is now known as Atalarico | ||
| x1250 | Alexia_Death, did you report a bug? if so, then close it please :) | 16:43 |
| Alexia_Death | why? | 16:43 |
| Alexia_Death | it is a bug. | 16:43 |
| Alexia_Death | a pressistent one | 16:44 |
| Alexia_Death | It resets to muted at every reboot. | 16:44 |
| Alexia_Death | x1250: why do you think its not a bug? | 16:45 |
| x1250 | aahh, yes, I thought your bug report was not about that, but what you first thought, just no sound. | 16:45 |
| * Alexia_Death makes it a habbit not to file bug reports untill sure what it is that is actually wrong ;) | 16:49 | |
| === jussi01 is now known as jussi01_ | ||
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 | ||
| Alexia_Death | err--- | 17:42 |
| Alexia_Death | Feedback time. | 17:42 |
| Alexia_Death | the latest kernel, 2.6.28-4, anybody else having problems with it not turning ont the wireless radio? | 17:43 |
| Alexia_Death | 2.6.28 does. | 17:43 |
| Alexia_Death | Both kernels break my touchpad. | 17:43 |
| Alexia_Death | no more taps. | 17:43 |
| Alexia_Death | they get handled by a wrong (non-synaptic) module... | 17:44 |
| Alexia_Death | that would be 2.6.28-3 | 17:44 |
| Alexia_Death | 2.6.17, the intrepid kernel has neither of the problems. but it wrote my drive full using nv driver with kernel traces... | 17:45 |
| Alexia_Death | And I was wondering why it became slow as hel when I used nv... | 17:45 |
| Alexia_Death | thats the touchpad issue: "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" id=5 [XExtensionPointer] | 17:47 |
| Alexia_Death | What of these should become bugreports and does anybody have solutions at least for the touchpad problem? | 17:48 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: you're sure it's not hal's fault? | 17:58 |
| Alexia_Death | spitfire: no. but it does not happen for the older kernel and same hal | 17:59 |
| spitfire | ok | 17:59 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: Try vanilla then ;) | 17:59 |
| Alexia_Death | spitfire: could, wont. done building kernels:P did it too mutch for gento:P | 18:00 |
| Alexia_Death | Jaunty has to get it right too:P | 18:00 |
| Alexia_Death | For everybody:P | 18:00 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I just switched back from gentoo 2 days ago | 18:01 |
| spitfire | Kernel building was ok | 18:01 |
| Alexia_Death | I switched from gentoo about... hmm... year and half ago | 18:01 |
| spitfire | kenrnel-package in ubuntu sucks | 18:01 |
| spitfire | I started using ubuntu in dec '07 switched to gentoo in jul '08 | 18:02 |
| spitfire | and back two days ago | 18:02 |
| Alexia_Death | well, ubuntu is supposed to be user friendly, so when this stops being alpha this shit should not happen | 18:02 |
| Alexia_Death | I was gentoo user for over 2 years | 18:02 |
| Alexia_Death | Started with gentoo:P | 18:02 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: Most likely it won't ;) | 18:02 |
| Alexia_Death | :P yeah | 18:02 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: people shouldn't start with it | 18:02 |
| spitfire | but I learnt a lot from it. | 18:03 |
| Alexia_Death | yes they shoudl if they want to learn:P | 18:03 |
| spitfire | Like I said "but I learnt a lot from it." | 18:03 |
| Alexia_Death | ok, gentoo was my first desktop install | 18:03 |
| spitfire | But they can get frustrated before seeing anything | 18:03 |
| Alexia_Death | Had slackware for router before that | 18:03 |
| Alexia_Death | Well, I would know nothing about configuring kernels if I hadnt done gentoo... | 18:04 |
| Alexia_Death | And Id know nothing about init if I hadnt done slackware:P | 18:04 |
| Alexia_Death | And debugging of all sorts if I dint have a bad habbit to perpetually run Ubuntu alpha:P | 18:05 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I still haven't used gdb :P | 18:06 |
| Alexia_Death | spitfire: I have, but I havent mastered it fully:P Strace is often enough:P | 18:08 |
| spitfire | I have really done no real debugging. | 18:08 |
| Alexia_Death | (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.15.2 | 18:11 |
| Alexia_Death | Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found | 18:11 |
| Alexia_Death | X is convinced theres no synaptics device | 18:11 |
| Alexia_Death | spitfire: you were right. | 18:44 |
| spitfire | about? | 18:44 |
| Alexia_Death | It is hal. | 18:44 |
| Alexia_Death | Or rather | 18:44 |
| spitfire | hla-info? | 18:44 |
| Alexia_Death | Kernel now names my touchpad differently | 18:45 |
| spitfire | *hal-info? | 18:45 |
| Alexia_Death | yes | 18:45 |
| Alexia_Death | and the fdi file does not therefore grab it. | 18:45 |
| Alexia_Death | Synaptic fdi is part of synaptic package so thats what the bug should be filed with. | 18:45 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: why wait? | 18:46 |
| spitfire | You have done you investigation ;) | 18:46 |
| Alexia_Death | ? | 18:46 |
| spitfire | Why wait to fill a bug? | 18:46 |
| Alexia_Death | Starting browswer now to do just that;) | 18:46 |
| Alexia_Death | Never had the habbit of sitting on a perfectly good bug:P | 18:47 |
| spitfire | Alexia_Death: I'm trying to get pulse working, so I'm backporting half-a-jaunty:P | 18:47 |
| spitfire | So I broke my alsa. | 18:47 |
| spitfire | But I think it's my fault. | 18:47 |
| Alexia_Death | heh. | 18:48 |
| spitfire | Not really half | 18:48 |
| spitfire | Just bluez pulse pulse gui tools and alsa | 18:49 |
| spitfire | pulse needed also libspeex | 18:49 |
| spitfire | and that's all | 18:49 |
| spitfire | ant a bunch of packages needed to be rebuild | 18:49 |
| spitfire | but I rebuild stable ones;) | 18:49 |
| pwnguin | Alexia_Death: you might check out #ubuntu-x | 18:55 |
| pwnguin | your level of participation in wacomtools upstream might justify idling in #ubuntu-x, if you care about ubuntu ;) | 18:56 |
| Alexia_Death | :D | 18:58 |
| * Alexia_Death joins another channel... | 18:59 | |
| Alexia_Death | pwnguin: I rather care about getting stuff working and remaining working ;) | 19:01 |
| pwnguin | even better | 19:01 |
| * Alexia_Death thinks about going to #ubuntu to fish for hotplug testers for wacom but decides against it. the daemon needs more licking over. | 19:02 | |
| pwnguin | unfortunately, i cant unplug my wacom | 19:03 |
| Alexia_Death | why? | 19:03 |
| pwnguin | its built into the laptop | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | can I edit the name of the bug :( | 19:04 |
| pwnguin | in lp? | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | pwnguin: serial | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | pwnguin: yes. | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | Ive made a wee bit but significant error in the title | 19:04 |
| pwnguin | what's the url? | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | it has to be 2.6.28 not 2.6.18 | 19:04 |
| Alexia_Death | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/315882 | 19:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 315882 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[Jaunty] synaptics fdi file does not contain entry for touchpads know as "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" starting with 2.6.18 series kernels" [Undecided,New] | 19:05 |
| Alexia_Death | Damn. | 19:05 |
| pwnguin | heh | 19:05 |
| * Alexia_Death slaps herself for not checking before OK :S | 19:05 | |
| pwnguin | do you see a yellow circle with a pencil near the title at that url? | 19:05 |
| Alexia_Death | Err... Well... Ive always thought that was some sort of an ! mark | 19:06 |
| Alexia_Death | But indeed! it is a pencil and indeed, it is fixed... | 19:07 |
| pwnguin | well, if you click it, i think you can correct the title | 19:07 |
| Alexia_Death | ;) | 19:07 |
| Alexia_Death | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/315882 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 315882 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[Jaunty] synaptics fdi file does not contain entry for touchpads know as "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" starting with 2.6.28 series kernels" [Undecided,New] | 19:07 |
| Alexia_Death | YAY! | 19:07 |
| * Alexia_Death is going to pretend dot being stupid and blame the designer:P | 19:07 | |
| bluevapour | anyone able to help me with firehol | 19:10 |
| m0RrE | any qualified guesses when intel i7 t will be in the kernel? | 19:11 |
| x1250 | bluevapour, how should anyone know that if you don't ask? | 19:12 |
| bluevapour | because basically my server is working fine, on lan | 19:14 |
| bluevapour | firehol has server all accept so it shouldnt block anything | 19:14 |
| bluevapour | yet global cant access http but they can access ssh | 19:14 |
| FireFox|| | m0RrE: What are your problems with the i7 core i720 ? | 19:16 |
| FireFox|| | m0RrE: you bought a dell studio XPS desktop I assume? | 19:20 |
| legodude | I'm having problems with nv... I get a mouse cursor on top of a garbage background | 19:33 |
| legodude | and that's it | 19:33 |
| legodude | even if I try to kill the X server or switch to a console login tty I get garbage | 19:33 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: whats your kernel? | 19:36 |
| legodude | 2.6.28-3-generic | 19:41 |
| legodude | Alexia_Death: I had it working perfectly in 8.10 with nvidia drivers | 19:43 |
| legodude | but have never gotten it working in jaunty | 19:43 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: interesting. works for me. | 19:44 |
| legodude | grr | 19:44 |
| legodude | what card? | 19:44 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: Hmm, dont even know exactly. laptop... | 19:44 |
| Alexia_Death | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1) | 19:45 |
| legodude | I have a 7200gs which is fairly standard | 19:45 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: with a hack you can get nvidia | 19:46 |
| legodude | even if I kill the x server I get garbage so it seems to be somewhere in kernel land for me | 19:46 |
| Alexia_Death | but it will be prone to crashing | 19:46 |
| legodude | what's the hack? | 19:46 |
| legodude | I've not heard about that | 19:46 |
| legodude | ugh | 19:46 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: IgnoreABI "true" | 19:47 |
| legodude | ahhh | 19:47 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: but you should really tell your grub to not bother with splash | 19:47 |
| Alexia_Death | then you see whats going on. | 19:47 |
| legodude | how do I do that? | 19:47 |
| legodude | nosplash option? | 19:47 |
| Alexia_Death | yes | 19:47 |
| legodude | lemme see here | 19:48 |
| legodude | Alexia_Death: I just want to add it as a command line option? | 19:52 |
| Alexia_Death | legodude: ? | 19:52 |
| Alexia_Death | in /boot/grub/menu.lst and just change your kernel parameters | 19:53 |
| legodude | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory | 20:02 |
| legodude | could this be it? | 20:02 |
| Alexia_Death | could | 20:03 |
| Alexia_Death | Google it? | 20:03 |
| legodude | I am | 20:03 |
| legodude | I saw it before and ignored it, because everything else in Xorg.log looks normal | 20:04 |
| === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity | ||
| LLStarks | yo | 20:44 |
| LLStarks | my jaunty pals | 20:44 |
| c_korn | hello I have set up an encrypted swap partition. | 20:52 |
| c_korn | I also set up a keyfile in the also encrypted root partition | 20:52 |
| c_korn | but I am still asked for the swap passphrase at boot | 20:52 |
| c_korn | is there a log of the root partition decryption at boot time? | 21:08 |
| spitfire | c_korn: man you're still encrypting it :P | 21:10 |
| c_korn | spitfire: it seemed to be a problem with the daily iso yesterday today the bug from yesterday is gone | 21:11 |
| c_korn | now I have a different one | 21:11 |
| spitfire | oh:P | 21:11 |
| LLStarks | yo | 21:12 |
| LLStarks | will jaunty be released with firefox upstream builds still broken? | 21:12 |
| c_korn | I only want to type in the passphrase of the root partition at boot. so I added a keyfile in root for my swap and my home directory. the keyfile for the home partition works but I am still asked for the passphrase of the swap partition | 21:12 |
| c_korn | LLStarks: firefox works for me | 21:13 |
| c_korn | I already opened a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/315854 | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 315854 in ubuntu "Mount root partition before swap when encryption is used" [Undecided,New] | 21:13 |
| LLStarks | is ext4 safe yet? | 21:14 |
| c_korn | but I think it is wrong because I have to enter the root passphrase before the swap passphrase | 21:14 |
| c_korn | so the root partition is already mounted before the swap partition I presume | 21:14 |
| c_korn | LLStarks: I did not encounter any issues since yesterday :P | 21:15 |
| LLStarks | pure ext4 or mounted as ext4? | 21:15 |
| c_korn | LLStarks: pure | 21:16 |
| LLStarks | how do i mount and/or convert an ext3? | 21:17 |
| c_korn | can't anyone help me? | 21:26 |
| LLStarks | ? | 21:29 |
| LLStarks | with what? | 21:29 |
| c_korn | LLStarks: scroll up | 21:31 |
| c_korn | yeah, now I cannot decrypt swap because I deleted the passphrase | 22:00 |
| archivator | I was wondering, is anyone working actively on reducing boot time? | 22:09 |
| archivator | I was recently examining my boot process and everything seemed quite tight. Just wondered where we could squeeze some extra juice from.. | 22:10 |
| c_korn | archivator: I only noticed there is a brainstorm idea about it: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/42/ | 22:23 |
| c_korn | but I wonder that jaunty still does not use upstart 0.5 | 22:23 |
| === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik | ||
| shadowkanji | hey anyone tested kubuntu 9.04 alpha 2? | 22:54 |
| shadowkanji | ......want to know how stable it is | 22:57 |
| DanaG | !nvidia | 22:57 |
| ubottu | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment | 22:57 |
| RAOF | shadowkanji: Works (mostly) for me. | 23:03 |
| RAOF | Don't expect any proprietary drivers to be installable. | 23:04 |
| shadowkanji | I can live without proprietary drivers. mostly? | 23:05 |
| RAOF | And it might require some assistance to boot if you've got a slightly interesting lvm/crypt/whatever setup | 23:05 |
| RAOF | Yeah, you can live without proprietary (graphics) drivers. | 23:05 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| shadowkanji | yea. all that matters is that its stable and works with my wireless :P although I may just stick with 8.10 and install kde 4.2 on tuesday when RC1 is out. I find the current kde4 horribly unstable | 23:07 |
| Melik | ive always hated KDE | 23:10 |
| shadowkanji | I'm always going between gnome and kde. I find gnome lacks new features, it's always been the same whereas kde4 was nice but unstable :/ | 23:12 |
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