| nubae | LaserJock: | 03:54 |
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| nubae | u wanted to talk to me yesterday I believe | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | nubae: yeah | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | nubae: wanted you to look at the new homepage we were working on | 03:54 |
| nubae | yeah I published it :-) | 03:54 |
| nubae | there are still a couple other pages that need the 'edubuntu is a distribution' parts taken out | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | ah, cool | 03:56 |
| nubae | that, and I need your help with the community and help pages | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages | 03:56 |
| nubae | both have contacts that are probably out of date | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I actually got an email from one of the contacts today asking for it to be updated :-) | 03:56 |
| nubae | ok, so what should we change there... I put you up there, since you weren't mentioned | 03:57 |
| nubae | starting with the help and support page.. | 03:57 |
| nubae | teh education realm should probably be switched to Riched right? | 03:58 |
| nubae | Technical/General, to you? | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | I don't have time to work on it tonight | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | I think we can discuss that one via mailing list | 03:59 |
| nubae | ok no worries, shall we set a time? | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | since we're putting people's names down I think we should get broader discussion | 03:59 |
| nubae | I doubt anyone is going to answer on the mailing list :-) | 04:00 |
| nubae | but sure we can try... | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if we even want to do a ton for specific contacts, especially since they often go away | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | well, even if it's me and you | 04:00 |
| nubae | and then set a time when me and you can go over specifics in the page | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | it's a little hard to work on lists, etc. on IRC | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | I do want to talk to you a little about the Download page | 04:00 |
| nubae | yup... ok yeah I agree, 3 contacts at most | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | specifically that there is 3 similar but different Download pages | 04:01 |
| nubae | hmmm, I only see 2 | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | node 3, 47 and whatever node /Download is | 04:02 |
| nubae | but are they all published? | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | not sure, at least 2 are | 04:03 |
| nubae | on the front page, we have a link to downloads, and then the banner at the top brings you to a kind of download page too | 04:03 |
| nubae | I guess those 2 links could go to the same place | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | the link on the frontpage goes to a different node than 3 and 47 | 04:03 |
| Ahmuck | good evening | 04:03 |
| nubae | it goes to 53 | 04:05 |
| nubae | which seems to be the only active one | 04:05 |
| nubae | the other download-like page is the new release announcement | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | ok, let's come up with a syntax or naming scheme | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | 1) I'd like to archive release announcements and release notes for each release | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | 2) rather than updating the same page for each release we should just change the url aliases | 04:07 |
| nubae | ok, by archiving them, we take out the url rewrite, unpublish and leave as a node | 04:07 |
| nubae | yeah we normally do that | 04:07 |
| nubae | at least I've been doing that, like in the case of the homepage | 04:07 |
| nubae | problem is, that gets messy | 04:07 |
| nubae | there are a ton of unpublished pages that serve no purpose | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | well, for the homepage I don't think we really need to do that so much | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | right | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | I don't think we need to unpublish them either | 04:08 |
| nubae | ok so for which pages | 04:08 |
| nubae | well, the thing is the url changes to a node | 04:08 |
| nubae | so no one will find it anyway | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | google might | 04:08 |
| nubae | unless we link to old release announcements some how | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | and what I'm thinking is that we can make an archive page that links to them | 04:09 |
| nubae | ok | 04:09 |
| nubae | ok, so we do this for announcements and which other pages? | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | I think the application lists, any release-specific documentation, release notes, and release announcements should be done this way | 04:09 |
| nubae | k I'll jot that down in a tomboy note | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | the thing is I want to keep info on there | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | so that the site is not only useful for people getting the very latest release | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | for instance, a lot of people will be using 8.04 for a while | 04:11 |
| nubae | well, the release notes from 8.04 hardly changed to 8.19 | 04:12 |
| nubae | 8.10 | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | i know | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | but that may not always be the case | 04:12 |
| nubae | only the release name was changed, which of course is something that should be remedied... we should mention what is new with the releases | 04:12 |
| nubae | so people have a feeling that the thing is growing | 04:12 |
| nubae | not just cloning itself | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | sure | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | it's just that nobody did it for 8.10 | 04:13 |
| nubae | ok, so back downloads, what should we do? | 04:13 |
| nubae | in the release annoncement we could point to the download pages instead of repeating the full instructions there | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | well so do we have duplicates or are a couple actually release announcements? | 04:14 |
| nubae | the places where instructions for downloading are is in the release notes (/news/8.10-release) and the downloads page (/Download) | 04:15 |
| nubae | my thinking is we can keep release notes just about that, and point them to the download page for full instructions | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | because I want to keep the actual release notes and announcments | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | but if they include download instructions that gets oudated | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | so /Download should be basically the only place with downloading instructions | 04:17 |
| nubae | kewl | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | I renamed a few pages | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | but I think we should go through and make sure that the release-specific pages have the release in them | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | perhaps using 8.10: <whatever> etc. | 04:18 |
| nubae | also, the edubuntu wiki is a bit of a mess | 04:19 |
| nubae | pointing to there is like going to an outside source that is very out of date | 04:20 |
| nubae | I think it does more damage than good at this point | 04:20 |
| nubae | apart from the develop part, the rest is duplication of what is already on or should be on the edubuntu.org page | 04:23 |
| nubae | the wiki should really be about how to get stuff working, describing and rating the apps, projects being undertaken by us... | 04:24 |
| nubae | etc | 04:24 |
| nubae | whatcha think? | 04:26 |
| Ahmuck | nn | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | well | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | there's points both ways | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | many fewer people have access to edubuntu.org | 04:28 |
| nubae | well from a maintenance point of view, we shouldnt be duplicating data | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | so it's often been more outdated than the wiki | 04:28 |
| nubae | well, thats not the case now | 04:28 |
| nubae | right now the wiki is far more outdated, and duplicate | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | how duplicative? | 04:29 |
| nubae | communication, participate, teams, contact us, faq | 04:31 |
| nubae | anyway I have to go, but its an idea to think about what exactly we want to do with the wiki.... It shouldnt just be another edubuntu.org with some extra material | 04:32 |
| nubae | oh b4 I forget | 04:33 |
| nubae | there was a bug report about moodle... its related to postrgres and permission | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:34 |
| nubae | I suggest making moodle depend on mysql instead, its far more common | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | it does | 04:34 |
| nubae | and easier to auto install | 04:34 |
| nubae | anyone wanting to use postrgres, will more than likely know how to install that manually | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | our package does either, but default so mysql | 04:35 |
| nubae | and will want to too, postgres isnt something u should be installing unless you know what u are doing | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | ^to | 04:35 |
| nubae | hmmm, last I checked it defaulted to postgres | 04:35 |
| nubae | and it would seem from that error report that his did too | 04:35 |
| nubae | I'll try it on a fresh ubuntu vm | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | oh, you're right | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | you can just check the package | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | apt-cache show moodle | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | postgresql-client |mysql-client | 04:36 |
| nubae | yah right :-) ok so if we switch to mysql, we'll get far fewer problems and be able to strike that bug away | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | there was a reason for doing postgresql but I can't remember it | 04:37 |
| nubae | well, its a better db for sure, for scaling... | 04:37 |
| nubae | but anyone that is going to be doing 1000s of users will need to know what they are doing | 04:38 |
| nubae | so its kinda moot... mysql is easy enough for everyone | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | well we can discuss that | 04:39 |
| nubae | oh, there is another server side app we can look at, that links into moodle a bit... its an e-portfolio type software... very powerful, like a school based facebook, but geared totally towards learning | 04:39 |
| nubae | its called Mahara | 04:39 |
| nubae | maybe u've heard of it | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | i have | 04:40 |
| nubae | I wrote an article about it a while back: http://www.nubae.com/mahara-e-portfolio-for-moodle | 04:40 |
| nubae | its in universe | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | cool | 04:41 |
| nubae | oh, u wanna check out a live mahara, I have one here on my server? | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | sure | 04:42 |
| nubae | http://nubae.selfip.com/mahara/htdocs/ | 04:42 |
| nubae | ok, created a user for u: laserjoch | 04:44 |
| nubae | laserjock even | 04:44 |
| nubae | with pass mahara5 | 04:44 |
| nubae | its actually really neat... its like a common place for students to store their data, post resumes, interact, grab posted files for whatever reason, etc | 04:46 |
| nubae | needs some more research but could be a good addition to the edubuntu server packages | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | yeah, i'd like to beef that up | 04:53 |
| nubae | oh, its totally modular | 04:53 |
| nubae | can be easily adjusted to whatever we want | 04:54 |
| nubae | so from a server side we have php mysql ejabberd, moodle right now | 04:54 |
| nubae | and possibly mahara and schooltool+ | 04:55 |
| nubae | right? | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | I don't know about schooltool | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | we don't have ejabberd right now, but it'd be nice to add it | 04:55 |
| nubae | well, what do u mean we don't gave | 04:55 |
| nubae | have | 04:55 |
| nubae | I've installed it just fine | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | in Edubuntu | 04:56 |
| nubae | oh k | 04:56 |
| nubae | is it in uni? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | I guess | 04:57 |
| nubae | and with schooltool I really think it would be a good idea to talk to tom hoffman | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | apt-cache madison ejabberd | 04:57 |
| nubae | ok so that requires an MIR | 04:57 |
| nubae | shall I do that? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, you can start working on that | 04:58 |
| nubae | ok cool, there is also the case with kolourpaint 4 | 04:59 |
| nubae | vs gpaint | 04:59 |
| nubae | both are in main | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | I've been thinking about that | 04:59 |
| nubae | so it should just be an agreement to push that through | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | and a little about the role of KDE in Edubuntu | 04:59 |
| * nubae listens | 05:00 | |
| LaserJock | well, it does seem like KDE is more edu-minded | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | I think making ubuntu-desktop-kde more of a priority might be useful | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | there aren't that many Gnome edu apps left | 05:03 |
| nubae | u mean focus on kde apps | 05:04 |
| nubae | or make it kde4? | 05:04 |
| nubae | which I all up for | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | there's a few thing | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | s | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | with the app bundles there's much less lock-in to the DE | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | we're mostly just after educational stuff, regardless | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | but there are little things we wrap around the purely eductional apps | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | like gpaint vs kolourpaint | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | and then there are issues like Gnome's user admin tool being kinda dead and buggy | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | so I'm not saying drop gnome or replace it with KDE | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | but just having a stronger KDE option in edubuntu-desktop-kde | 05:07 |
| nubae | ok sounds good | 05:12 |
| nubae | kdefy it | 05:12 |
| nubae | so how do we do that? | 05:12 |
| nubae | it would be nice too, because the look and feel would have a nice change | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | essentially just pay attention to edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | and work with Kubuntu folks | 05:12 |
| nubae | cool | 05:12 |
| nubae | so can we user their widget based approach at all? | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | I wonder how many edu people use KDE though | 05:13 |
| nubae | or does that reuiquiren kd4 outright | 05:13 |
| nubae | hmm, at least 10% | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | how do you mean? | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | we have KDE4 | 05:14 |
| nubae | yes, but more integrated into the gui | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | just bits of it in KDE Edu and Kolourpaint4 | 05:14 |
| nubae | i know | 05:14 |
| nubae | I'm talking look and fee | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | right, what I'm saying is that edubuntu-desktop-kde would be installed on top of Kubuntu | 05:15 |
| nubae | be able to us some of their plasma and widget stuff | 05:15 |
| nubae | ok | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | so whatever we do in there we can use KDE 4 to our hearts content | 05:15 |
| nubae | ,so maintiain 32 version then | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | so yeah, we could write plasmoids or whatever | 05:15 |
| nubae | well, who do we talk to at kde? | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that we need to exactly talk to kde | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | we can just start doing things | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | 1 task is to get the edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage in shape in the seeds | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | I have an idea about that that I'll try to get going shortly | 05:17 |
| nubae | but that would mean installing on top of a kubuntu, right= | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | so say on our download page we could have | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | for Ubuntu users: | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | blah blah | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | for Kubuntu users: | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | bla blah | 05:18 |
| nubae | would the apps all still be the same | 05:20 |
| nubae | or woudl we put something different in gnome than in kde | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | right | 05:20 |
| nubae | ok, so shall we open a discussion on the lists concerning this? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't think we need to right away | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | we can see where it takes us | 05:23 |
| nubae | ok a possible future roadmap | 05:23 |
| nubae | ok, I gotta go | 05:24 |
| nubae | anything else? | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | I think we could put it in the Jaunty announcment/release notes | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | nah | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | I gotta go too | 05:24 |
| nubae | ye we can start, and maybe at next weeting we know enough to write something | 05:25 |
| nubae | anyway bye | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ouch, this is running windows: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/video-intels-convertible-classmate-pc-hands-on/ | 06:59 |
| Meshezabeel | always good to have a weeting | 08:24 |
| Meshezabeel | Well, it was nice talking to you HedgeMage, cya next time. | 08:27 |
| HedgeMage | ?? | 08:27 |
| Meshezabeel | ?? | 08:28 |
| HedgeMage | I just got here... I'm not leaving yet. :) | 08:28 |
| Meshezabeel | yeah, it was nice talking to you with the double question marks at least :) | 08:29 |
| Meshezabeel | I'm the one leaving :) | 08:30 |
| HedgeMage | ahh | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | afternoon | 21:40 |
| stgraber | hey LaserJock | 21:43 |
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