[03:54] LaserJock: [03:54] u wanted to talk to me yesterday I believe [03:54] nubae: yeah [03:54] nubae: wanted you to look at the new homepage we were working on [03:54] yeah I published it :-) [03:55] there are still a couple other pages that need the 'edubuntu is a distribution' parts taken out [03:56] ah, cool [03:56] that, and I need your help with the community and help pages [03:56] I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages [03:56] both have contacts that are probably out of date [03:56] yeah, I actually got an email from one of the contacts today asking for it to be updated :-) [03:57] ok, so what should we change there... I put you up there, since you weren't mentioned [03:57] starting with the help and support page.. [03:58] teh education realm should probably be switched to Riched right? [03:59] Technical/General, to you? [03:59] I don't have time to work on it tonight [03:59] I think we can discuss that one via mailing list [03:59] ok no worries, shall we set a time? [03:59] since we're putting people's names down I think we should get broader discussion [04:00] I doubt anyone is going to answer on the mailing list :-) [04:00] but sure we can try... [04:00] I'm not sure if we even want to do a ton for specific contacts, especially since they often go away [04:00] well, even if it's me and you [04:00] and then set a time when me and you can go over specifics in the page [04:00] it's a little hard to work on lists, etc. on IRC [04:00] I do want to talk to you a little about the Download page [04:01] yup... ok yeah I agree, 3 contacts at most [04:01] specifically that there is 3 similar but different Download pages [04:01] hmmm, I only see 2 [04:02] node 3, 47 and whatever node /Download is [04:02] but are they all published? [04:03] not sure, at least 2 are [04:03] on the front page, we have a link to downloads, and then the banner at the top brings you to a kind of download page too [04:03] I guess those 2 links could go to the same place [04:03] the link on the frontpage goes to a different node than 3 and 47 [04:03] good evening [04:05] it goes to 53 [04:05] which seems to be the only active one [04:05] the other download-like page is the new release announcement [04:06] ok, let's come up with a syntax or naming scheme [04:06] 1) I'd like to archive release announcements and release notes for each release [04:07] 2) rather than updating the same page for each release we should just change the url aliases [04:07] ok, by archiving them, we take out the url rewrite, unpublish and leave as a node [04:07] yeah we normally do that [04:07] at least I've been doing that, like in the case of the homepage [04:07] problem is, that gets messy [04:07] there are a ton of unpublished pages that serve no purpose [04:07] well, for the homepage I don't think we really need to do that so much [04:08] right [04:08] I don't think we need to unpublish them either [04:08] ok so for which pages [04:08] well, the thing is the url changes to a node [04:08] so no one will find it anyway [04:08] google might [04:08] unless we link to old release announcements some how [04:09] and what I'm thinking is that we can make an archive page that links to them [04:09] ok [04:09] ok, so we do this for announcements and which other pages? [04:09] I think the application lists, any release-specific documentation, release notes, and release announcements should be done this way [04:10] k I'll jot that down in a tomboy note [04:10] the thing is I want to keep info on there [04:11] so that the site is not only useful for people getting the very latest release [04:11] for instance, a lot of people will be using 8.04 for a while [04:12] well, the release notes from 8.04 hardly changed to 8.19 [04:12] 8.10 [04:12] i know [04:12] but that may not always be the case [04:12] only the release name was changed, which of course is something that should be remedied... we should mention what is new with the releases [04:12] so people have a feeling that the thing is growing [04:13] not just cloning itself [04:13] sure [04:13] it's just that nobody did it for 8.10 [04:13] ok, so back downloads, what should we do? [04:14] in the release annoncement we could point to the download pages instead of repeating the full instructions there [04:14] well so do we have duplicates or are a couple actually release announcements? [04:15] the places where instructions for downloading are is in the release notes (/news/8.10-release) and the downloads page (/Download) [04:16] my thinking is we can keep release notes just about that, and point them to the download page for full instructions [04:16] I think so [04:16] because I want to keep the actual release notes and announcments [04:16] but if they include download instructions that gets oudated [04:17] so /Download should be basically the only place with downloading instructions [04:17] kewl [04:18] I renamed a few pages [04:18] but I think we should go through and make sure that the release-specific pages have the release in them [04:18] perhaps using 8.10: etc. [04:19] also, the edubuntu wiki is a bit of a mess [04:20] pointing to there is like going to an outside source that is very out of date [04:20] I think it does more damage than good at this point [04:23] apart from the develop part, the rest is duplication of what is already on or should be on the edubuntu.org page [04:24] the wiki should really be about how to get stuff working, describing and rating the apps, projects being undertaken by us... [04:24] etc [04:26] whatcha think? [04:27] nn [04:27] well [04:27] there's points both ways [04:28] many fewer people have access to edubuntu.org [04:28] well from a maintenance point of view, we shouldnt be duplicating data [04:28] so it's often been more outdated than the wiki [04:28] well, thats not the case now [04:28] right now the wiki is far more outdated, and duplicate [04:29] how duplicative? [04:31] communication, participate, teams, contact us, faq [04:32] anyway I have to go, but its an idea to think about what exactly we want to do with the wiki.... It shouldnt just be another edubuntu.org with some extra material [04:33] oh b4 I forget [04:33] there was a bug report about moodle... its related to postrgres and permission [04:34] yes [04:34] I suggest making moodle depend on mysql instead, its far more common [04:34] it does [04:34] and easier to auto install [04:34] anyone wanting to use postrgres, will more than likely know how to install that manually [04:35] our package does either, but default so mysql [04:35] and will want to too, postgres isnt something u should be installing unless you know what u are doing [04:35] ^to [04:35] hmmm, last I checked it defaulted to postgres [04:35] and it would seem from that error report that his did too [04:36] I'll try it on a fresh ubuntu vm [04:36] oh, you're right [04:36] you can just check the package [04:36] apt-cache show moodle [04:36] postgresql-client |mysql-client [04:36] yah right :-) ok so if we switch to mysql, we'll get far fewer problems and be able to strike that bug away [04:37] there was a reason for doing postgresql but I can't remember it [04:37] well, its a better db for sure, for scaling... [04:38] but anyone that is going to be doing 1000s of users will need to know what they are doing [04:38] so its kinda moot... mysql is easy enough for everyone [04:39] well we can discuss that [04:39] oh, there is another server side app we can look at, that links into moodle a bit... its an e-portfolio type software... very powerful, like a school based facebook, but geared totally towards learning [04:39] its called Mahara [04:40] maybe u've heard of it [04:40] i have [04:40] I wrote an article about it a while back: http://www.nubae.com/mahara-e-portfolio-for-moodle [04:41] its in universe [04:41] cool [04:41] oh, u wanna check out a live mahara, I have one here on my server? [04:42] sure [04:42] http://nubae.selfip.com/mahara/htdocs/ [04:44] ok, created a user for u: laserjoch [04:44] laserjock even [04:44] with pass mahara5 [04:46] its actually really neat... its like a common place for students to store their data, post resumes, interact, grab posted files for whatever reason, etc [04:53] needs some more research but could be a good addition to the edubuntu server packages [04:53] yeah, i'd like to beef that up [04:53] oh, its totally modular [04:54] can be easily adjusted to whatever we want [04:54] so from a server side we have php mysql ejabberd, moodle right now [04:55] and possibly mahara and schooltool+ [04:55] right? [04:55] I don't know about schooltool [04:55] we don't have ejabberd right now, but it'd be nice to add it [04:55] well, what do u mean we don't gave [04:55] have [04:56] I've installed it just fine [04:56] in Edubuntu [04:56] oh k [04:56] is it in uni? [04:57] I guess [04:57] and with schooltool I really think it would be a good idea to talk to tom hoffman [04:57] apt-cache madison ejabberd [04:57] ok so that requires an MIR [04:58] shall I do that? [04:58] yeah, you can start working on that [04:59] ok cool, there is also the case with kolourpaint 4 [04:59] vs gpaint [04:59] both are in main [04:59] I've been thinking about that [04:59] so it should just be an agreement to push that through [04:59] and a little about the role of KDE in Edubuntu [05:00] * nubae listens [05:01] well, it does seem like KDE is more edu-minded [05:02] I think making ubuntu-desktop-kde more of a priority might be useful [05:03] there aren't that many Gnome edu apps left [05:04] u mean focus on kde apps [05:04] or make it kde4? [05:04] which I all up for [05:05] there's a few thing [05:05] s [05:05] with the app bundles there's much less lock-in to the DE [05:05] we're mostly just after educational stuff, regardless [05:06] but there are little things we wrap around the purely eductional apps [05:06] like gpaint vs kolourpaint [05:07] and then there are issues like Gnome's user admin tool being kinda dead and buggy [05:07] so I'm not saying drop gnome or replace it with KDE [05:07] but just having a stronger KDE option in edubuntu-desktop-kde [05:12] ok sounds good [05:12] kdefy it [05:12] so how do we do that? [05:12] it would be nice too, because the look and feel would have a nice change [05:12] essentially just pay attention to edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage [05:12] and work with Kubuntu folks [05:12] cool [05:13] so can we user their widget based approach at all? [05:13] I wonder how many edu people use KDE though [05:13] or does that reuiquiren kd4 outright [05:13] hmm, at least 10% [05:14] how do you mean? [05:14] we have KDE4 [05:14] yes, but more integrated into the gui [05:14] just bits of it in KDE Edu and Kolourpaint4 [05:14] i know [05:14] I'm talking look and fee [05:15] right, what I'm saying is that edubuntu-desktop-kde would be installed on top of Kubuntu [05:15] be able to us some of their plasma and widget stuff [05:15] ok [05:15] so whatever we do in there we can use KDE 4 to our hearts content [05:15] ,so maintiain 32 version then [05:15] so yeah, we could write plasmoids or whatever [05:16] well, who do we talk to at kde? [05:16] I don't know that we need to exactly talk to kde [05:16] we can just start doing things [05:17] 1 task is to get the edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage in shape in the seeds [05:17] I have an idea about that that I'll try to get going shortly [05:18] but that would mean installing on top of a kubuntu, right= [05:18] yeah [05:18] so say on our download page we could have [05:18] for Ubuntu users: [05:18] blah blah [05:18] for Kubuntu users: [05:18] bla blah [05:20] would the apps all still be the same [05:20] or woudl we put something different in gnome than in kde [05:20] right [05:22] ok, so shall we open a discussion on the lists concerning this? [05:23] I don't think we need to right away [05:23] we can see where it takes us [05:23] ok a possible future roadmap [05:24] ok, I gotta go [05:24] anything else? [05:24] I think we could put it in the Jaunty announcment/release notes [05:24] nah [05:24] I gotta go too [05:25] ye we can start, and maybe at next weeting we know enough to write something [05:25] anyway bye [06:59] ogra: ouch, this is running windows: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/video-intels-convertible-classmate-pc-hands-on/ [08:24] always good to have a weeting [08:27] Well, it was nice talking to you HedgeMage, cya next time. [08:27] ?? [08:28] ?? [08:28] I just got here... I'm not leaving yet. :) [08:29] yeah, it was nice talking to you with the double question marks at least :) [08:30] I'm the one leaving :) [08:31] ahh [21:40] afternoon [21:43] hey LaserJock