[00:00] LaserJock: rc1 [00:00] coming up in about 2 days [00:02] apachelogger: I see a bzr revisioned tagged as 4.1.96-0ubuntu1, is that pre-emptive? [00:03] LaserJock: KDE releases the tarballs one week before release to packagers for additional QA, build checks and binary preparation [00:05] interesting [00:05] is it a public download but they don't announce it widely? [00:05] or do thet send them in the mail :-) [00:06] LaserJock: packagers get direct access to the internal KDE ftp server, only once the appropriate directory is made world readable the public ftp server can sync it [00:07] usually there are some modifications being done, or important last minute bug fixes that didn't make it in before tarball creation [00:07] not many, but it happens [00:07] right [00:08] do they do that even for Betas? [00:09] yep, IMHO it makes our lives easier since we have a good amount of time to prepare packages and deploy them at the same time KDE publishes the source [00:09] also makes the users happier I suppose :) [00:10] unless we're a week and a half late anyways, of course :P [00:10] not often, but it happens :P [00:11] that should also improve if/when we get a server where every ninja has access [00:12] so can you not upload the packages untill KDE officially releases the tarball [00:12] Except when we do. [00:12] it is very strongly suggested that we don't, since fixes can be made at the last moment [00:12] Debian uploaded 4.1.4 and it doesn't release until Monday. [00:12] Monday, right? [00:13] depends on the timezone [00:13] Tue UTC [00:13] Ah. [00:13] Friday in .au. [00:13] ;-) [00:13] lol [00:13] Quassel git snapshot test building now. [00:14] LaserJock: we upload before the embargo ends to meet our own release schedule for example [00:14] ok, so if only a couple people in Kubuntu have access to the tarballs does it make it harder to collaborate on getting the packages ready? [00:14] apachelogger: In KDE the quassel notifications only work if focus grabbing protection is disabled. I'm wondering if we should make that the default? [00:15] LaserJock: We have a process .... [00:15] LaserJock: apachelogger mirrors them on a non-publicly-disclosed-but-accessible-to-those-who-know server [00:16] ok, makes sense [00:16] you have no idea... in june I did a release on my own because Riddell was busy and I guess Riddell did pretty much the same for every release before [00:17] Then suddenly he was in charge. [00:17] Which was funny because he wasn't core-dev then. [00:19] * apachelogger certainly got a lot of the core-dev experience through being in charge though [00:19] yes, I can imagine [00:20] also we have come a long way, we started off by downloading stuff manually, now we just call a couple of scripts, do some changes and watch pbuilder build ;-) [00:21] apachelogger: and you documented all of this on the wiki right? :p [00:22] nixternal: You saw my reply to his latest proposal, right? [00:22] nixternal: actually I did, it's just not public :P [00:22] hehe [00:22] ScottK: yup :) [00:23] I can haz wikipage or something [00:23] Yep. [00:23] I was going to respond with the same thing :) [00:23] hrmm [00:23] * apachelogger will write something up once he is done with .96 reviews [00:23] lolspeak and everything? [00:24] I was thinking about writing it in whitespace :P [00:24] also, it's actually all pretty straight forward if you know what all the scripts are doing ;P [00:24] black magic otherwise [00:24] "ZOMG! It makes teh packagez!" [00:25] * ScottK hands https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/python-stepic/0.3-1 for his documentation project. [00:28] * ScottK tries to remember where to push the packaging branch for quassel .... [00:29] Found it. [00:33] Sput: It built and the depends are good now. Thanks. [00:33] * ScottK tests.... [00:36] Note to self: Build for the release you're running. [00:36] hah [00:36] always a help === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [01:01] ScottK: ok, what version of mysqyl does amarok need? the ones i keep plugging in are failing in pbuilder [01:01] 5.1 [01:01] yes [01:01] JontheEchidna: trying resumes here [01:02] apachelogger: kquitapp plasma && plasma now? [01:02] vorian: apachelogger knows the details. [01:02] JontheEchidna: yus [01:02] * vorian looks to apachelogger [01:02] again [01:02] vorian: more information required [01:03] remeber earlier today, i showed you the pbuilder failuer with mysql? [01:03] vorian: no universe? [01:03] i have universe [01:03] apachelogger: it wasn't default but it shows up now [01:03] vorian: post a complete build log then [01:04] JontheEchidna: ok, need a strace now [01:04] pfft [01:04] technically system.kdeglobals should override kdeglobals [01:04] * ScottK returns with his 45.0 ounce/1275.8gram bag of Peanut M&Ms. [01:05] apachelogger: what command? [01:05] nvm [01:05] strace plasma --nofork > ~/plasma-strace 2>&1 [01:07] big file [01:07] gzip and send [01:08] oh, only line-wise though [01:08] OK. Here on the quassel git snapshot now. [01:09] * JontheEchidna uses signature volia misspelling [01:09] apachelogger: sent [01:12] ah [01:12] another wrong path [01:12] JontheEchidna: change your wallpaper to something else [01:12] * JontheEchidna changes to KDE 4.0 default [01:12] now restart plasma? [01:13] JontheEchidna: yah, best make sure that plasmarc-applets applied it [01:14] ScottK-laptop: Hey. This is a test to see if notifications work. [01:15] still no snow :( [01:15] JontheEchidna: nah, you need a new package [01:15] JontheEchidna: same url [01:15] then restart plasma and you should have snow [01:15] with a bit of luck at least [01:15] oh [01:17] no luck here [01:17] bleh [01:18] JontheEchidna: strace again please [01:18] * apachelogger reinstalls his jaunty vm to try for himself [01:21] apachelogger: sent [01:23] hm [01:23] are you sure you upgraded the package? [01:24] yes, wget, dpkg [01:25] oh, unless wget tried to be smart [01:25] and renamed the deb [01:25] :/ [01:25] ^_^ [01:26] still no snow, though [01:26] JontheEchidna: strace :P [01:27] ah well [01:27] JontheEchidna: grep the strace for /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/system.kdeglobals [01:27] it shouldn't say (No such file or directory) [01:29] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103347/ [01:31] JontheEchidna: grep for wallpaper-of-the-month-profile [01:31] nothing [01:31] http://machine-crusade.net/kubuntu-devel.html [01:32] * vorian retries amarok [01:33] hm, apparently I am speaking a lot [01:33] JontheEchidna: that is no good [01:33] JontheEchidna: anyway, thanks [01:33] yw [01:33] * apachelogger will have to look into this more closely [01:33] maybe if I removed the appletsrc... [01:34] haha @ my quote [01:34] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103348/ [01:37] root@osiris:/# apt-cache show libmysqlclient-dev [01:37] root@osiris:/# apt-cache show mysql-server-5.1 [01:37] W: Unable to locate package mysql-server-5.1 [01:37] mrn [01:37] vorian: either these packages are stuck in new, or they are just not available [01:37] ah, that's prolly it [01:38] vorian: yeah, all in new launchpad sez [01:38] no luck with new appletsrc either [01:38] i just checked too :) [01:39] so, here is the question [01:40] another glass of bloody mary, or going to bed? [01:40] bloody mary [01:40] ok [01:40] * apachelogger opens another bottle of vodka [01:43] apachelogger: Looks like your SSL cert magic works. [01:43] yay :) [01:43] Couldn't sniff my own password this time. [01:44] Sput: I'm here on the git snapshot with split client server. The monolithic one works too. [01:47] Sput: I'm about convinced this git snapshot is working. Is there some upstream person that would be willing to subscribe to Quassel bugs in Ubuntu? [01:47] apachelogger: Any reason I shouldn't upload this? [01:48] ScottK: unless I told you some earlier there is probably none [01:48] Not that I recall. [01:49] * apachelogger is not 100% sober but thinks there was only some testing on the cert stuff to be done [01:51] kubotu: chat [01:51] 08] Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare the wiki static? [01:51] whee, lag [01:56] who is lagging? [02:03] oh dear, my bf just fell a sleep watching television [02:03] hm [02:03] oh [02:04] JontheEchidna: please check if your .kde kdeglobals contains a Directories group [02:04] * ScottK wonders what decorations apachelogger has available. [02:04] ScottK: decorations? [02:05] If it's a deep sleep you might decorate them with something. [02:05] rofl [02:05] Shaving cream and lipstick are traditional. [02:06] Nair is you've got a serious nasty streak. [02:06] is/if [02:06] * apachelogger notes that decoration from the christmas tree is still somewhere *evilgrin* [02:07] apachelogger: no Directories group [02:12] JontheEchidna: hm, ok, I'll take a look at it [02:13] maybe we really need to edit kde4rc, altough I'd rather avoid that [02:13] hello, I have a little problem with your KDE 4.2beta packages, Can I report a bug in launchpad? [02:13] summarizing: http://imagebin.ca/view/Us-dl8.html [02:15] the trash applet not shows its elements [02:15] torkiano: if you are on jaunty you can report a bug, if you are on intrepid this issue might very well be caused by the fact that we don' t deploy updated localization for it [02:15] ok apachelogger, I'm in intrepid [02:15] torkiano: that should be fixed when RC1 comees out next week [02:16] vorian: are you sure? [02:16] or that [02:16] vorian: grear news, thank you vorian [02:16] apachelogger: it's connected to the kdm.init bug [02:16] * apachelogger is wondering how that connects to kdm [02:17] it doesn't [02:17] Oo [02:17] you are not making sense :P [02:17] yeah, i'll stop talking now [02:17] lol [02:17] * apachelogger continues decorating and then goes to bed, still a lot of reviewing to do tomorrow [02:19] apachelogger and Sput: quassel uploaded. [03:07] seele: There is now a git snapshot of quassel with KDE integration enabled in Jaunty and on my PPA for Intrepid https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ [03:08] seele: This is, less one small commit, the current state of the development tree. It might be worth a quick relook to see if any new usability things pop up. [03:12] * ScottK discovers there is a "Emoticons Themes Manager" and despairs. [03:26] ScottK: Wow, Kvirc4 is very impressive, thank you for the PPA [03:27] torkiano: You're welcome. I think it's a bit much for newbies, so not great for our default, but it's a good client. [03:27] I should probably upload that to the archive too. [03:31] Maybe, quaseel is a little confusing, too. Mainly because of its distributed architecture [03:31] but as dar as I Know they are working in it [03:32] Yes. The client/core is. We're intending the monolithic client as the default. [03:35] I wonder if you mind if I put links to your PPA in this thread in kde forum: http://forum.kde.org/kde4-qt4-replacements-for-konversation-t-23842.html [03:36] No. I don't mind. [03:36] If I get bug reports, I'll mind. [03:37] rgreening: Still up? [03:42] ScottK: I understand. I'll wait until you upload kvirc4 to the archive [03:53] It may be awhile. I built my package on work rgreening did and I'd rather let him finish it and get the credit if he's interested. [04:13] hry [04:14] hey even [04:14] ScottK: Im around... I have been a bit tied up with $work :) [04:15] + holidays... I should have some time starting Monday... [04:15] rgreening: I updated your kvirc package to a newer snapshot and then played with it some. [04:15] That's cool [04:16] rgreening: I think it's good enough to put in the archive as kvirc (modulo fixing the comments I gave you). [04:16] rgreening: So would you be up for updating it next week then (as kvirc, not kvirc-kde4)? [04:16] awesome [04:16] I take it that's a yes? [04:16] sure nthing. [04:17] thing... [04:17] Great. [04:17] :P [04:17] rgreening: Ping me when you need a sponsor. [04:17] ok. ty. [04:19] torkiano: ^^ Next week some time. [04:20] Scott: what changes besides the -kde4 do I need? Obviously update the tar.gz to current snapshot/release/ver [04:20] ScottK^ [04:21] rgreening: Do you still have my comments in your IRC logs? [04:21] ScottK: I upgrade the post when that happens ;-) [04:22] Well grep kvirc * acrosss my IRC logs tells me who uses kvirc. [04:22] probably. If those are the ones, I am pretty sure I did those.. [04:22] I didn't see an upload after I gave you the comments. [04:22] hmm... [04:23] let me look [04:25] ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive [04:25] rgreening: That's after I gave you comments. [04:25] So I guess you did. [04:26] :) [04:27] ScottK: If you have a look and see any glaring bad things... feel free to let me know. I'll update hte package next week without the -kde4 extension. [04:27] OK. If I get motivated I will. [04:27] rgreening: Since it's a Universe package, when you ask me, ask me in #ubuntu-motu. [04:28] kk. [04:28] When you apply for MOTU we want these people to know who you are. [04:28] for sure [04:28] ty [04:28] No problem. The more people who know what they are doing and have upload rights, the less for me to do ... [04:29] true dat [04:29] (: [04:30] Man with one big eyebrow and no mouth? [04:30] or nose [04:30] ahaha [04:30] left-handed smiley [04:30] tim-may! [04:31] rgreening: ? [04:31] nvm [04:32] nevervontermights? [04:32] wow [04:32] lol [04:32] nwn [04:32] you can put a sftp address in folderview :D [04:32] hahah [04:32] that is awesome [04:32] oh I need sleep [04:32] vorian: sure [04:33] i'm always the last to notice things :) [04:33] vorian: well there will be thousands of people noticing after you so no worries [04:34] hehe [04:34] That's one of the things I love about KDE is you can pretty much to that anywhere. [04:34] Gnomish stuff seems to fall over and get upset. [05:36] vorian: that rocks [05:37] * LaserJock comes late to the "sftp in folderview" party [07:22] Sckott: I have problems with your quassel packages: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/quassel-client_0.4.0~git090110-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack): [07:22] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/quassel/quassel.notifyrc', which is also in package quassel [07:54] Riddell: knew this? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=1 [09:51] Hi [09:51] I'm building digikam [09:52] from svn [09:52] I need libkipi [09:52] briseight: you do realise there is a recent version in ppa? [09:53] no [09:53] briseight: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main [09:53] but I would like to build it from svn [09:53] thx [09:53] briseight: thats just a few days old [09:53] there are a lot of libkipi version [09:54] libkipi5 libkipi6 libkipi0 [09:54] what is the difference? [09:56] no idea tvh [10:51] hi there ;) [10:51] finally got internet at home !!! [10:51] hey toma [10:51] woops [10:51] hey Tonio_ [10:51] Riddell: I'll push some packages today... they're offline for a moment right now [10:51] toma: sorry :p [10:51] hi smarter [10:52] 7 month without internet connection at home..... so goot to be connected outside of work [10:52] is jaunty usable right now ? I'm currently upgrading.... [10:53] smarter: any info about it's status ? I've been offline those last weeks so I have no idea wether it works or not :) [10:54] Tonio_: didn't try to upgrade, imho it's not really useful at the moment [10:54] smarter: hum, well to test latest kde packages, it is imho [10:54] we'll see if it reboots or not :) [10:55] Tonio_: we backport everything to intrepid [10:55] good luck :p [10:55] I just have a jaunty schroot set up [10:55] smarter: hum, yeah, but backports are generally poorly maintained and don't receive lots of fixes... [10:56] that's what we try to avoid [10:56] it's the very first time I have a 3.5 MB/s upload speed at home... impressive... [10:56] that'll be usefull :) [10:56] wow [10:57] and 50 MB/s download (theorically 100 but hard drive + wifi is the limit !!) [10:57] Mb, not MB, sorry :) [10:58] anyway that's still pretty good :) [10:58] yup [11:02] smarter: do you know if guidance replacement by powerdevil was discussed recently ? [11:02] yes [11:02] smarter: I need to get infos on what's going on now I'm really back ;) [11:03] iirc, it was decided to keep guidance in the repo, but to switch to powerdevil by default [11:03] moin [11:03] smarter: okay [11:03] hey danimo !! long time no see !! [11:03] not sure how we'll handle the transition [11:03] smarter: what about pataching the powerdevil applet so that it goes in the systray in the first place ? [11:03] question:does anybody know if the gtk-qt-kde4 theme is finally good enough to make firefox look good? [11:04] hi Tonio_ :) [11:04] smarter: to many applets in the bar take up to much space.... [11:04] the one in 8.10 has a quite some issues [11:04] smarter: better have them in the systray imho, as for networkmanager too [11:04] danimo: yeah, but that's a long time plan discussion :) [11:04] Tonio_: this should be discussed with the plasma devs, I think the idea is to get the plasmoids in the systray [11:05] danimo: also, I hope the kde crew will do something with notification... there are WAY to much of them right now [11:05] smarter: should probably be an option btw... [11:05] Tonio_: it mostly annoys me with kopete [11:05] danimo: and what about file copy :) [11:06] Tonio_: well, I never liked that anyway [11:06] danimo: have you tried to load ktorrent with a bunch of torrents loaded ? [11:06] your screen get full of notifications :) [11:06] Tonio_: report bugs everytime you see them when you shouldn't, the devs need to specify it explicitely in the code so that they don't appear [11:06] Tonio_: the problem is that kio does not distinguish between downloads and file copy operations [11:06] smarter: yep, that's probably a ktorrent issue [11:06] and the fix should be easy [11:07] smarter: I think so... [11:07] danimo: interesting... [11:07] what about the policykit applet ? [11:07] last time I tried it didn't work at all... [11:07] Tonio_: you can make them silent, e.g. if you know the operation is probably local, but nobody seems to do thgat [11:08] * danimo goes for breakfast [11:08] danimo: I'll check if that can simply be kiosk configured for the softwares causing problem... [11:17] Tonio_: I doubt it [11:17] Tonio_: about the policykit applet: no idea. I'm still not very involved in KDE dev again [11:18] Tonio_: you can now ask me all about Qt Creator though :) [11:18] danimo: :) [11:18] the problem is that whenever you need to take a break..... everything changes so fast.... [11:21] Tonio_: tell me about it [11:21] Tonio_: I finished studies and suddenly everything's changed [11:21] which is good to see, since there is progress [11:21] but well, it's quite some effort to get going again [11:24] true that.... [11:24] danimo: running through personal issues, I couldn't contribute much for 7 month... alike [11:29] Tonio_: last thing I heard about you was getting married and stuff [11:35] danimo: that's old stuff :) [11:35] danimo: we split.... [11:35] danimo: in fact she had another guy for month when we where planning to get married.... [11:35] danimo: pretty rude :) [11:36] * Tonio_ crosses fingers and reboots.... jaunty please, give me a good feeling ! [11:44] re [11:44] hum it works surprisingly well.... [12:12] ive reported more bugs for 9.04 [12:52] ScottK: seeing torkiano's error I would suppose share/kde4/apps/quassel also ought to go to quassel-data [12:53] headache-- [12:55] wesley: reporting bugs against kde*-kde4 products doesn't make much sense because we don't monitor them anymore [12:56] wesley: apt-cache show juk | grep Source [12:56] that should spitout the appropriate source package to report the bug against [13:29] ow though that already, but some are distro related [13:30] gues the problems will be fixed in kde4.2 final [13:32] going see if in kde4.2 rc is the problem, if not its fixed within kde [13:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~velroy1 === akonadi is now known as nihui [13:35] wesley: that has nothing to do with distro related or not, it's about reporting bugs against the right package [13:36] usr/bin/juk was never created by kdemultimedia-kde4 [13:37] which package is it then? kdemultimedia ? [13:38] aye [13:39] kdemultimedia-kde4 is from 8.04 isnt it ? [13:39] wesley: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Bugs/FindRightPackage [13:39] yes, -kde4 is from hardy [13:45] You know that people por linux drivers to osx ? [13:46] wesley: I suppose you mean port? [13:46] yeah port [13:47] didn't know that [13:47] but I imagine that would be rather pointless [13:47] osx is based on bsd, now while both linux and bsd are posix compatible the way their driver stacks are quite different AFAIK [13:48] its not really for legal purpose but its nice to see such a commiuty, it reminds me about Linux :) [13:49] wesley: well, they make use of the linux driver's implementation details, so they don't have to analyze the hardware themselfs, so one could say they only "borrow" knowledge ;-) [13:50] something not possible for most linux drivers though [13:52] yeah, they doing pretty well if you ask me, i dont get why osx wont be there for the pc, but those drivers that people make should be in handy for say external wlan devices [13:53] wesley: apple would loose it's main advantage if osx was available for anything but macs [13:53] say is juk unmainted ? [13:53] anyway [13:53] off-topic [13:53] wesley: again [13:53] juk is ontopic [13:53] not so much either :P [13:53] * apachelogger knows no one who actually uses juk [13:53] apachelogger: I do [13:54] when Amarok fails that is [13:54] Tm_T: mom, then I would have to use juk all the time :P [13:54] is it maineted by kde? because there are no responds on my bug reports [13:54] apachelogger: I don't, as my amarok is just fine [13:54] wesley: ot [13:54] i prefer juk over amarok [13:54] wesley: gah, sorry [13:55] ot ?? [13:55] wesley: it's part of kdemultimedia [13:55] oh, doesnt really seem to be maintned if you ask me [13:55] wesley: help -> about juk [13:56] and just because you didn't recive a reply on your bugs doesn't mean it's unmaintained [13:56] Riddell, JontheEchidna: did anyone fix bindings? [13:56] apachelogger: kdepimlibs bug which was fixed, it builds fine without any modification to Riddell's first package [13:58] ok [13:58] Riddell: I'll mark it reviewed [13:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/269592 i think this is fixed in 9.04 ? [13:59]