[00:00] <apachelogger> LaserJock: rc1
[00:00] <apachelogger> coming up in about 2 days
[00:02] <LaserJock> apachelogger: I see a bzr revisioned tagged as 4.1.96-0ubuntu1, is that pre-emptive?
[00:03] <apachelogger> LaserJock: KDE releases the tarballs one week before release to packagers for additional QA, build checks and binary preparation
[00:05] <LaserJock> interesting
[00:05] <LaserJock> is it a public download but they don't announce it widely?
[00:05] <LaserJock> or do thet send them in the mail :-)
[00:06] <apachelogger> LaserJock: packagers get direct access to the internal KDE ftp server, only once the appropriate directory is made world readable the public ftp server can sync it
[00:07] <apachelogger> usually there are some modifications being done, or important last minute bug fixes that didn't make it in before tarball creation
[00:07] <apachelogger> not many, but it happens
[00:07] <LaserJock> right
[00:08] <LaserJock> do they do that even for Betas?
[00:09] <apachelogger> yep, IMHO it makes our lives easier since we have a good amount of time to prepare packages and deploy them at the same time KDE publishes the source
[00:09] <apachelogger> also makes the users happier I suppose :)
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> unless we're a week and a half late anyways, of course :P
[00:10] <apachelogger> not often, but it happens :P
[00:11] <apachelogger> that should also improve if/when we get a server where every ninja has access
[00:12] <LaserJock> so can you not upload the packages untill KDE officially releases the tarball
[00:12] <ScottK> Except when we do.
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> it is very strongly suggested that we don't, since fixes can be made at the last moment
[00:12] <ScottK> Debian uploaded 4.1.4 and it doesn't release until Monday.
[00:12] <ScottK> Monday, right?
[00:13] <apachelogger> depends on the timezone
[00:13] <apachelogger> Tue UTC
[00:13] <ScottK> Ah.
[00:13] <ScottK> Friday in .au.
[00:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[00:13] <apachelogger> lol
[00:13] <ScottK> Quassel git snapshot test building now.
[00:14] <apachelogger> LaserJock: we upload before the embargo ends to meet our own release schedule for example
[00:14] <LaserJock> ok, so if only a couple people in Kubuntu have access to the tarballs does it make it harder to collaborate on getting the packages ready?
[00:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: In KDE the quassel notifications only work if focus grabbing protection is disabled.  I'm wondering if we should make that the default?
[00:15] <ScottK> LaserJock: We have a process ....
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> LaserJock: apachelogger mirrors them on a non-publicly-disclosed-but-accessible-to-those-who-know server
[00:16] <LaserJock> ok, makes sense
[00:16] <apachelogger> you have no idea... in june I did a release on my own because Riddell was busy and I guess Riddell did pretty much the same for every release before
[00:17] <ScottK> Then suddenly he was in charge.
[00:17] <ScottK> Which was funny because he wasn't core-dev then.
[00:19]  * apachelogger certainly got a lot of the core-dev experience through being in charge though
[00:19] <LaserJock> yes, I can imagine
[00:20] <apachelogger> also we have come a long way, we started off by downloading stuff manually, now we just call a couple of scripts, do some changes and watch pbuilder build ;-)
[00:21] <nixternal> apachelogger: and you documented all of this on the wiki right? :p
[00:22] <ScottK> nixternal: You saw my reply to his latest proposal, right?
[00:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: actually I did, it's just not public :P
[00:22] <nixternal> hehe
[00:22] <nixternal> ScottK: yup :)
[00:23] <nixternal> I can haz wikipage or something
[00:23] <ScottK> Yep.
[00:23] <nixternal> I was going to respond with the same thing :)
[00:23] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:23]  * apachelogger will write something up once he is done with .96 reviews
[00:23] <ScottK> lolspeak and everything?
[00:24] <apachelogger> I was thinking about writing it in whitespace :P
[00:24] <apachelogger> also, it's actually all pretty straight forward if you know what all the scripts are doing ;P
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> black magic otherwise
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> "ZOMG! It makes teh packagez!"
[00:25]  * ScottK hands https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/python-stepic/0.3-1 for his documentation project.
[00:28]  * ScottK tries to remember where to push the packaging branch for quassel ....
[00:29] <ScottK> Found it.
[00:33] <ScottK> Sput: It built and the depends are good now.  Thanks.
[00:33]  * ScottK tests....
[00:36] <ScottK> Note to self: Build for the release you're running.
[00:36] <Hobbsee> hah
[00:36] <Hobbsee> always a help
[01:01] <vorian> ScottK: ok, what version of mysqyl does amarok need? the ones i keep plugging in are failing in pbuilder
[01:01] <ScottK> 5.1
[01:01] <vorian> yes
[01:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: trying resumes here
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kquitapp plasma && plasma now?
[01:02] <ScottK> vorian: apachelogger knows the details.
[01:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yus
[01:02]  * vorian looks to apachelogger 
[01:02] <vorian> again
[01:02] <apachelogger> vorian: more information required
[01:03] <vorian> remeber earlier today, i showed you the pbuilder failuer with mysql?
[01:03] <apachelogger> vorian: no universe?
[01:03] <vorian> i have universe
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it wasn't default but it shows up now
[01:03] <apachelogger> vorian: post a complete build log then
[01:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ok, need a strace now
[01:04] <vorian> pfft
[01:04] <apachelogger> technically system.kdeglobals should override kdeglobals
[01:04]  * ScottK returns with his 45.0 ounce/1275.8gram bag of Peanut M&Ms.
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what command?
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[01:05] <apachelogger> strace plasma --nofork > ~/plasma-strace 2>&1
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> big file
[01:07] <apachelogger> gzip and send
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> oh, only line-wise though
[01:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Here on the quassel git snapshot now.
[01:09]  * JontheEchidna uses signature volia misspelling
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent
[01:12] <apachelogger> ah
[01:12] <apachelogger> another wrong path
[01:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: change your wallpaper to something else
[01:12]  * JontheEchidna changes to KDE 4.0 default
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> now restart plasma?
[01:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yah, best make sure that plasmarc-applets applied it
[01:14] <ScottK-desktop> ScottK-laptop: Hey.  This is a test to see if notifications work.
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> still no snow :(
[01:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nah, you need a new package
[01:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: same url
[01:15] <apachelogger> then restart plasma and you should have snow
[01:15] <apachelogger> with a bit of luck at least
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> no luck here
[01:17] <apachelogger> bleh
[01:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: strace again please
[01:18]  * apachelogger reinstalls his jaunty vm to try for himself
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent
[01:23] <apachelogger> hm
[01:23] <apachelogger> are you sure you upgraded the package?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> yes, wget, dpkg
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, unless wget tried to be smart
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> and renamed the deb
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> :/
[01:25] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> still no snow, though
[01:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: strace :P
[01:27] <apachelogger> ah well
[01:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: grep the strace for /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/system.kdeglobals
[01:27] <apachelogger> it shouldn't say (No such file or directory)
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103347/
[01:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: grep for wallpaper-of-the-month-profile
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> nothing
[01:31] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/kubuntu-devel.html
[01:32]  * vorian retries amarok
[01:33] <apachelogger> hm, apparently I am speaking a lot
[01:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is no good
[01:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anyway, thanks
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> yw
[01:33]  * apachelogger will have to look into this more closely
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> maybe if I removed the appletsrc...
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> haha @ my quote
[01:34] <vorian> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103348/
[01:37] <apachelogger> root@osiris:/# apt-cache show libmysqlclient-dev
[01:37] <apachelogger> root@osiris:/# apt-cache show mysql-server-5.1
[01:37] <apachelogger> W: Unable to locate package mysql-server-5.1
[01:37] <vorian> mrn
[01:37] <apachelogger> vorian: either these packages are stuck in new, or they are just not available
[01:37] <vorian> ah, that's prolly it
[01:38] <apachelogger> vorian: yeah, all in new launchpad sez
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> no luck with new appletsrc either
[01:38] <vorian> i just checked too :)
[01:39] <apachelogger> so, here is the question
[01:40] <apachelogger> another glass of bloody mary, or going to bed?
[01:40] <vorian> bloody mary
[01:40] <apachelogger> ok
[01:40]  * apachelogger opens another bottle of vodka
[01:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Looks like your SSL cert magic works.
[01:43] <apachelogger> yay :)
[01:43] <ScottK> Couldn't sniff my own password this time.
[01:44] <ScottK> Sput: I'm here on the git snapshot with split client server.  The monolithic one works too.
[01:47] <ScottK> Sput: I'm about convinced this git snapshot is working.  Is there some upstream person that would be willing to subscribe to Quassel bugs in Ubuntu?
[01:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any reason I shouldn't upload this?
[01:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: unless I told you some earlier there is probably none
[01:48] <ScottK> Not that I recall.
[01:49]  * apachelogger is not 100% sober but thinks there was only some testing on the cert stuff to be done
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[01:51] <kubotu> 08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already packaged smb4d, and planing to prepare the wiki static?
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> whee, lag
[01:56] <apachelogger> who is lagging?
[02:03] <apachelogger> oh dear, my bf just fell a sleep watching television
[02:03] <apachelogger> hm
[02:03] <apachelogger> oh
[02:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please check if your .kde kdeglobals contains a Directories group
[02:04]  * ScottK wonders what decorations apachelogger has available.
[02:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: decorations?
[02:05] <ScottK> If it's a deep sleep you might decorate them with something.
[02:05] <apachelogger> rofl
[02:05] <ScottK> Shaving cream and lipstick are traditional.
[02:06] <ScottK> Nair is you've got a serious nasty streak.
[02:06] <ScottK> is/if
[02:06]  * apachelogger notes that decoration from the christmas tree is still somewhere *evilgrin*
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no Directories group
[02:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hm, ok, I'll take a look at it
[02:13] <apachelogger> maybe we really need to edit kde4rc, altough I'd rather avoid that
[02:13] <torkiano> hello, I have a little problem with your KDE 4.2beta packages, Can I report a bug in launchpad?
[02:13] <torkiano> summarizing: http://imagebin.ca/view/Us-dl8.html
[02:15] <torkiano> the trash applet not shows its elements
[02:15] <apachelogger> torkiano: if you are on jaunty you can report a bug, if you are on intrepid this issue might very well be caused by the fact that we don' t deploy updated localization for it
[02:15] <torkiano> ok apachelogger, I'm in intrepid
[02:15] <vorian> torkiano: that should be fixed when RC1 comees out next week
[02:16] <apachelogger> vorian: are you sure?
[02:16] <vorian> or that
[02:16] <torkiano> vorian: grear news, thank you vorian
[02:16] <vorian> apachelogger: it's connected to the kdm.init bug
[02:16]  * apachelogger is wondering how that connects to kdm
[02:17] <vorian> it doesn't
[02:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:17] <apachelogger> you are not making sense :P
[02:17] <vorian> yeah, i'll stop talking now
[02:17] <apachelogger> lol
[02:17]  * apachelogger continues decorating and then goes to bed, still a lot of reviewing to do tomorrow
[02:19] <ScottK> apachelogger and Sput: quassel uploaded.
[03:07] <ScottK> seele: There is now a git snapshot of quassel with KDE integration enabled in Jaunty and on my PPA for Intrepid https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/
[03:08] <ScottK> seele: This is, less one small commit, the current state of the development tree. It might be worth a quick relook to see if any new usability things pop up.
[03:12]  * ScottK discovers there is a "Emoticons Themes Manager" and despairs.
[03:26] <torkiano> ScottK: Wow, Kvirc4 is very impressive, thank you for the PPA
[03:27] <ScottK> torkiano: You're welcome.  I think it's a bit much for newbies, so not great for our default, but it's a good client.
[03:27] <ScottK> I should probably upload that to the archive too.
[03:31] <torkiano> Maybe, quaseel is a little confusing, too. Mainly because of its distributed architecture
[03:31] <torkiano> but as dar as I Know they are working in it
[03:32] <ScottK> Yes.  The client/core is.  We're intending the monolithic client as the default.
[03:35] <torkiano> I wonder if you mind if I put links to your PPA in this thread in kde forum: http://forum.kde.org/kde4-qt4-replacements-for-konversation-t-23842.html
[03:36] <ScottK> No.  I don't mind.
[03:36] <ScottK> If I get bug reports, I'll mind.
[03:37] <ScottK> rgreening: Still up?
[03:42] <torkiano> ScottK: I understand. I'll wait until you upload kvirc4 to the archive
[03:53] <ScottK> It may be awhile.  I built my package on work rgreening did and I'd rather let him finish it and get the credit if he's interested.
[04:13] <rgreening> hry
[04:14] <rgreening> hey even
[04:14] <rgreening> ScottK: Im around... I have been a bit tied up with $work :)
[04:15] <rgreening> + holidays... I should have some time starting Monday...
[04:15] <ScottK> rgreening: I updated your kvirc package to a newer snapshot and then played with it some.
[04:15] <rgreening> That's cool
[04:16] <ScottK> rgreening: I think it's good enough to put in the archive as kvirc (modulo fixing the comments I gave you).
[04:16] <ScottK> rgreening: So would you be up for updating it next week then (as kvirc, not kvirc-kde4)?
[04:16] <rgreening> awesome
[04:16] <ScottK> I take it that's a yes?
[04:16] <rgreening> sure nthing.
[04:17] <rgreening> thing...
[04:17] <ScottK> Great.
[04:17] <rgreening> :P
[04:17] <ScottK> rgreening: Ping me when you need a sponsor.
[04:17] <rgreening> ok. ty.
[04:19] <ScottK> torkiano: ^^ Next week some time.
[04:20] <rgreening> Scott: what changes besides the -kde4 do I need? Obviously update the tar.gz to current snapshot/release/ver
[04:20] <rgreening> ScottK^
[04:21] <ScottK> rgreening: Do you still have my comments in your IRC logs?
[04:21] <torkiano> ScottK: I upgrade the post when that happens ;-)
[04:22] <ScottK> Well grep kvirc * acrosss my IRC logs tells me who uses kvirc.
[04:22] <rgreening> probably. If those are the ones, I am pretty sure I did those..
[04:22] <ScottK> I didn't see an upload after I gave you the comments.
[04:22] <rgreening> hmm...
[04:23] <rgreening> let me look
[04:25] <rgreening> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive
[04:25] <ScottK> rgreening: That's after I gave you comments.
[04:25] <ScottK> So I guess you did.
[04:26] <rgreening> :)
[04:27] <rgreening> ScottK: If you have a look and see any glaring bad things... feel free to let me know. I'll update hte package next week without the -kde4 extension.
[04:27] <ScottK> OK.  If I get motivated I will.
[04:27] <ScottK> rgreening: Since it's a Universe package, when you ask me, ask me in #ubuntu-motu.
[04:28] <rgreening> kk.
[04:28] <ScottK> When you apply for MOTU we want these people to know who you are.
[04:28] <rgreening> for sure
[04:28] <rgreening> ty
[04:28] <ScottK> No problem.  The more people who know what they are doing and have upload rights, the less for me to do ...
[04:29] <rgreening> true dat
[04:29] <Tm_T> (:
[04:30] <ScottK> Man with one big eyebrow and no mouth?
[04:30] <ScottK> or nose
[04:30] <rgreening> ahaha
[04:30] <Tm_T> left-handed smiley
[04:30] <rgreening> tim-may!
[04:31] <Tm_T> rgreening: ?
[04:31] <rgreening> nvm
[04:32] <Tm_T> nevervontermights?
[04:32] <vorian> wow
[04:32] <rgreening> lol
[04:32] <rgreening> nwn
[04:32] <vorian> you can put a sftp address in folderview :D
[04:32] <rgreening> hahah
[04:32] <vorian> that is awesome
[04:32] <rgreening> oh I need sleep
[04:32] <Tm_T> vorian: sure
[04:33] <vorian> i'm always the last to notice things :)
[04:33] <Tm_T> vorian: well there will be thousands of people noticing after you so no worries
[04:34] <vorian> hehe
[04:34] <ScottK> That's one of the things I love about KDE is you can pretty much to that anywhere.
[04:34] <ScottK> Gnomish stuff seems to fall over and get upset.
[05:36] <LaserJock> vorian: that rocks
[05:37]  * LaserJock comes late to the "sftp in folderview" party
[07:22] <torkiano> Sckott: I have problems with your quassel packages: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/quassel-client_0.4.0~git090110-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:22] <torkiano>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/quassel/quassel.notifyrc', which is also in package quassel
[07:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: knew this? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=1
[09:51] <briseight> Hi
[09:51] <briseight> I'm building digikam
[09:52] <briseight> from svn
[09:52] <briseight> I need libkipi
[09:52] <jussi01> briseight: you do realise there is a recent version in ppa?
[09:53] <briseight> no
[09:53] <jussi01> briseight: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[09:53] <briseight> but I would like to build it from svn
[09:53] <briseight> thx
[09:53] <jussi01> briseight: thats just a few days old
[09:53] <briseight> there are a lot of libkipi version
[09:54] <briseight> libkipi5 libkipi6 libkipi0
[09:54] <briseight> what is the difference?
[09:56] <jussi01> no idea tvh
[10:51] <Tonio_> hi there ;)
[10:51] <Tonio_> finally got internet at home !!!
[10:51] <smarter> hey toma
[10:51] <smarter> woops
[10:51] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll push some packages today... they're offline for a moment right now
[10:51] <smarter> toma: sorry :p
[10:51] <Tonio_> hi smarter
[10:52] <Tonio_> 7 month without internet connection at home..... so goot to be connected outside of work
[10:52] <Tonio_> is jaunty usable right now ? I'm currently upgrading....
[10:53] <Tonio_> smarter: any info about it's status ? I've been offline those last weeks so I have no idea wether it works or not :)
[10:54] <smarter> Tonio_: didn't try to upgrade, imho it's not really useful at the moment
[10:54] <Tonio_> smarter: hum, well to test latest kde packages, it is imho
[10:54] <Tonio_> we'll see if it reboots or not :)
[10:55] <smarter> Tonio_: we backport everything to intrepid
[10:55] <smarter> good luck :p
[10:55] <smarter> I just have a jaunty schroot set up
[10:55] <Tonio_> smarter: hum, yeah, but backports are generally poorly maintained and don't receive lots of fixes...
[10:56] <smarter> that's what we try to avoid
[10:56] <Tonio_> it's the very first time I have a 3.5 MB/s upload speed at home... impressive...
[10:56] <Tonio_> that'll be usefull :)
[10:56] <smarter> wow
[10:57] <Tonio_> and 50 MB/s download (theorically 100 but hard drive + wifi is the limit !!)
[10:57] <Tonio_> Mb, not MB, sorry :)
[10:58] <Tonio_> anyway that's still pretty good :)
[10:58] <smarter> yup
[11:02] <Tonio_> smarter: do you know if guidance replacement by powerdevil was discussed recently ?
[11:02] <smarter> yes
[11:02] <Tonio_> smarter: I need to get infos on what's going on now I'm really back ;)
[11:03] <smarter> iirc, it was decided to keep guidance in the repo, but to switch to powerdevil by default
[11:03] <danimo> moin
[11:03] <Tonio_> smarter: okay
[11:03] <Tonio_> hey danimo !! long time no see !!
[11:03] <smarter> not sure how we'll handle the transition
[11:03] <Tonio_> smarter: what about pataching the powerdevil applet so that it goes in the systray in the first place ?
[11:03] <danimo> question:does anybody know if the gtk-qt-kde4 theme is finally good enough to make firefox look good?
[11:04] <danimo> hi Tonio_ :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> smarter: to many applets in the bar take up to much space....
[11:04] <danimo> the one in 8.10 has a quite some issues
[11:04] <Tonio_> smarter: better have them in the systray imho, as for networkmanager too
[11:04] <Tonio_> danimo: yeah, but that's a long time plan discussion :)
[11:04] <smarter> Tonio_: this should be discussed with the plasma devs, I think the idea is to get the plasmoids in the systray
[11:05] <Tonio_> danimo: also, I hope the kde crew will do something with notification... there are WAY to much of them right now
[11:05] <Tonio_> smarter: should probably be an option btw...
[11:05] <danimo> Tonio_: it mostly annoys me with kopete
[11:05] <Tonio_> danimo: and what about file copy :)
[11:06] <danimo> Tonio_: well, I never liked that anyway
[11:06] <Tonio_> danimo: have you tried to load ktorrent with a bunch of torrents loaded ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> your screen get full of notifications :)
[11:06] <smarter> Tonio_: report bugs everytime you see them when you shouldn't, the devs need to specify it explicitely in the code so that they don't appear
[11:06] <danimo> Tonio_: the problem is that kio does not distinguish between downloads and file copy operations
[11:06] <Tonio_> smarter: yep, that's probably a ktorrent issue
[11:06] <smarter> and the fix should be easy
[11:07] <Tonio_> smarter: I think so...
[11:07] <Tonio_> danimo: interesting...
[11:07] <Tonio_> what about the policykit applet ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> last time I tried it didn't work at all...
[11:07] <danimo> Tonio_: you can make them silent, e.g. if you  know the operation is probably local, but nobody seems to do thgat
[11:08]  * danimo goes for breakfast
[11:08] <Tonio_> danimo: I'll check if that can simply be kiosk configured for the softwares causing problem...
[11:17] <danimo> Tonio_: I doubt it
[11:17] <danimo> Tonio_: about the policykit applet: no idea. I'm still not very involved in KDE dev again
[11:18] <danimo> Tonio_: you can now ask me all about Qt Creator though :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> danimo:  :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> the problem is that whenever you need to take a break..... everything changes so fast....
[11:21] <danimo> Tonio_: tell me about it
[11:21] <danimo> Tonio_: I finished studies and suddenly everything's changed
[11:21] <danimo> which is good to see, since there is progress
[11:21] <danimo> but well, it's quite some effort to get going again
[11:24] <Tonio_> true that....
[11:24] <Tonio_> danimo: running through personal issues, I couldn't contribute much for 7 month... alike
[11:29] <danimo> Tonio_: last thing I heard about you was getting married and stuff
[11:35] <Tonio_> danimo: that's old stuff :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> danimo: we split....
[11:35] <Tonio_> danimo: in fact she had another guy for month when we where planning to get married....
[11:35] <Tonio_> danimo: pretty rude :)
[11:36]  * Tonio_ crosses fingers and reboots.... jaunty please, give me a good feeling !
[11:44] <Tonio_> re
[11:44] <Tonio_> hum it works surprisingly well....
[12:12] <wesley> ive reported more bugs for 9.04
[12:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: seeing torkiano's error I would suppose share/kde4/apps/quassel also ought to go to quassel-data
[12:53] <apachelogger> headache--
[12:55] <apachelogger> wesley: reporting bugs against kde*-kde4 products doesn't make much sense because we don't monitor them anymore
[12:56] <apachelogger> wesley: apt-cache show juk | grep Source
[12:56] <apachelogger> that should spitout the appropriate source package to report the bug against
[13:29] <wesley> ow though that already, but some are distro related
[13:30] <wesley> gues the problems will be fixed in kde4.2 final
[13:32] <wesley> going see if in kde4.2 rc is the problem, if not its fixed within kde
[13:34] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~velroy1
[13:35] <apachelogger> wesley: that has nothing to do with distro related or not, it's about reporting bugs against the right package
[13:36] <apachelogger> usr/bin/juk was never created by kdemultimedia-kde4
[13:37] <wesley> which package is it then? kdemultimedia ?
[13:38] <apachelogger> aye
[13:39] <wesley> kdemultimedia-kde4 is from 8.04 isnt it ?
[13:39] <apachelogger> wesley: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[13:39] <apachelogger> yes, -kde4 is from hardy
[13:45] <wesley> You know that people por linux drivers to osx ?
[13:46] <apachelogger> wesley: I suppose you mean port?
[13:46] <wesley> yeah port
[13:47] <apachelogger> didn't know that
[13:47] <apachelogger> but I imagine that would be rather pointless
[13:47] <apachelogger> osx is based on bsd, now while both linux and bsd are posix compatible the way their driver stacks are quite different AFAIK
[13:48] <wesley> its not really for legal purpose but its nice to see such a commiuty, it reminds me about Linux :)
[13:49] <apachelogger> wesley: well, they make use of the linux driver's implementation details, so they don't have to analyze the hardware themselfs, so one could say they only "borrow" knowledge ;-)
[13:50] <apachelogger> something not possible for most linux drivers though
[13:52] <wesley> yeah, they doing pretty well if you ask me, i dont get why osx wont be there for the pc, but those drivers that people make should be in handy for say external wlan devices
[13:53] <apachelogger> wesley: apple would loose it's main advantage if osx was available for anything but macs
[13:53] <wesley> say is juk unmainted ?
[13:53] <apachelogger> anyway
[13:53] <apachelogger> off-topic
[13:53] <apachelogger> wesley: again
[13:53] <wesley> juk is ontopic
[13:53] <apachelogger> not so much either :P
[13:53]  * apachelogger knows no one who actually uses juk
[13:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I do
[13:54] <Tm_T> when Amarok fails that is
[13:54] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom, then I would have to use juk all the time :P
[13:54] <wesley> is it maineted by kde? because there are no responds on my bug reports
[13:54] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I don't, as my amarok is just fine
[13:54] <Tm_T> wesley: ot
[13:54] <wesley> i prefer juk over amarok
[13:54] <Tm_T> wesley: gah, sorry
[13:55] <wesley> ot ??
[13:55] <Tm_T> wesley: it's part of kdemultimedia
[13:55] <wesley> oh, doesnt really seem to be maintned if you ask me
[13:55] <apachelogger> wesley: help -> about juk
[13:56] <apachelogger> and just because you didn't recive a reply on your bugs doesn't mean it's unmaintained
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna: did anyone fix bindings?
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kdepimlibs bug which was fixed, it builds fine without any modification to Riddell's first package
[13:58] <apachelogger> ok
[13:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll mark it reviewed
[13:59] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/269592 i think this is fixed in 9.04 ?
[14:01] <apachelogger> we don't use guidance-power-manager by default anyway
[14:02] <wesley> yeah found another bug, this time in package usb-creator
[14:05] <wesley> apachelogger , gues that solved the problems, because in 8.04 and 8.10 it wasnt working like i wwanted
[14:05] <wesley> how do i find package detalil ?
[14:07] <wesley> ubuntu is hard working on the intel issues ???
[14:07] <apachelogger> what kind of package detail?
[14:07] <apachelogger> and for which package
[14:07] <wesley> usb-creator
[14:08] <wesley> and how can i report against 9.04? i always fill this in [ Kubuntu 9.04 Alpa 2 ]
[14:11] <apachelogger> wesley: you should stop that
[14:11] <apachelogger> a bug affects all series unless someone proofs it is only vaild for 9.04 or 8.10 ...
[14:11] <apachelogger> wesley: usb-creator is an ubuntu thing, so you might want to ask in #ubuntu
[14:12] <wesley> i have found the info, why not use tags like which branch i am uing? i though that would be better for developers
[14:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: join ##club-ubuntu for bug squashing purpose :P
[14:14] <wesley> so if i get it right, its better to report without pointing which branch i use?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> my dog is chewing on my dad's beard...
[14:14] <wesley> i only have cats
[14:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: another 2 hours to release I hope - getting started on the announcement now
[14:15] <wesley> apachelogger what if i know sure its related to 9.04 ? because ive used usb creator on 8.10 and it worked
[14:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: packages for intrepid are ready
[14:17] <Nightrose> excellent
[14:17] <wesley> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/103538/
[14:17] <apachelogger> wesley: that doesn't mean it can be fixed for 9.04, so it might as well affect 9.10
[14:18] <wesley> oh okay, anyway if i spit the file, see this ImportError: No module named gnomevfs
[14:18] <wesley> should i name that in my title ?
[14:18] <apachelogger> yeah, probably a dependency issue in sub-creator
[14:18] <apachelogger> wesley: for example
[14:19] <apachelogger> the triagers will change the title to the most productive form anyway if necessary
[14:19] <wesley> okay, then, i going test maby to on my acer machine
[14:20] <wesley> its better to test on more machines isnt it ?
[14:20] <apachelogger> yes
[14:21] <wesley> then i going run unstable on both
[14:22] <apachelogger> wesley: having a virtualmachine ought to be enough in most cases
[14:24] <wesley> ive something must better, i have a stable osx on my machine so i dual boot with osx and ubuntu is unstable
[14:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree I put the notify thing in the wrong package for quassel.
[15:02] <wesley> cant i help on lauchpad for people who want to ask something about kde4 in there dutch laugugae?
[15:11] <apachelogger> wesley: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[15:11] <apachelogger> it's organized by source package, so you might want to subscribe to more than just kdebase
[15:11] <apachelogger> it's like subforums for every source package
[15:12] <wesley> you added me :) thanks,
[15:13] <wesley> i can answer also in dutch
[15:26] <wesley> !kdenlive
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> !info kdenlive
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> !info kdenlive jaunty
[15:42] <seele> ScottK: which one do i want? quassel or quassel-client?
[15:42]  * seele waves to jjesse 
[15:42] <seele> 'morning
[15:42] <jussi01> seele: quassel for the monolithic build
[15:42] <seele> jussi01: thanks
[15:43] <jjesse> monring
[15:51] <wesley> I need someone with a credit card to pay some flight tickets
[15:52]  * seele blinks
[16:02] <jussi01> err, what?
[16:28] <doc__> hi there
[16:50] <alleeHol> \sh: mhmm, happy birthday \o/
[16:56] <torkiano> 	
[16:57] <torkiano> Hello, what is the kubuntu policy with KDE3 bugs?
[16:58] <ScottK> torkiano: Depends on the package.
[16:58] <torkiano> For triaging this: bug 47429
[16:58] <torkiano> is kopete
[16:58] <ScottK> Also I'm fixing the quassel conflicting file problem right now.  Thanks.
[16:59] <torkiano> You are welcome
[16:59] <ScottK> torkiano: Does the KDE4 version do it?
[16:59] <torkiano> As far as I know, no
[16:59] <ScottK> The it's still a valid bug.
[17:01] <torkiano> Then, this is not a valid response: http://pastebin.ca/1305993
[17:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do I need to conflict/replace or just conflict when I shuffle files from package to package?
[17:03]  * ScottK didn't get enough sleep in the last few days to remember.
[17:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: replace
[17:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[17:03] <apachelogger> both only when the package completely replaces another one
[17:05] <ScottK> Right.
[17:06] <ScottK> torkiano: I'm not a fan of such replies.  I tend to believe it's a bug until someone has reason to believe it's not.  Can you try it with a proxy?
[17:07] <ScottK> But that's just me.  Asking everyone to reproduce every bug in every release and invalidating the bug is all the rage these days in bugsquad.
[17:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Weren't you working on updating kdenlive to a new version or something?
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I was
[17:08] <torkiano> ScottK: not here, I try tomorrow in the work
[17:09] <ScottK> torkiano: I think that's a much more useful triaging action.
[17:09] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:11] <torkiano> ScottK: And if tomorrow I can't reproduce the bug with my KDE4, what is the next step?
[17:11] <ScottK> If you can connect via a proxy, then the bug is fixed.  Just mark it fix released.
[17:12] <ScottK> Generally you invite the reporter then to try it in a new release and reopen the bug if it still doesn't work for them.
[17:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please double check me on this...  For quassel-data:
[17:16] <ScottK> Conflicts: quassel-client (=< 0.4.0~git090110-0ubuntu1), quassel (=< 0.4.0~git090110-0ubuntu1)
[17:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah, I am being silly as well
[17:16] <apachelogger> yo need a replaces
[17:16] <apachelogger> *you
[17:16] <ScottK> OK.
[17:17] <ScottK> That's the correct syntax though, right?
[17:17] <apachelogger> nah <= not =<
[17:17] <ScottK> OK.
[17:17]  * ScottK fixes
[17:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:18] <apachelogger> and I thought my hangover had bad influence on my work :)
[17:22] <apachelogger> oh
[17:22] <apachelogger> my
[17:22] <apachelogger> god
[17:22] <apachelogger> it's 11th again
[17:22] <apachelogger> ~order birthday package for \sh
[17:22]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[17:22]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to \sh and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[17:22] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday \sh, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[17:22] <kubotu> Happy Birthday \sh :D
[17:22] <kubotu> To your health!
[17:22] <Tm_T> ok
[17:22] <apachelogger> \sh: happy bday *hug*
[17:23]  * apachelogger hands \\sh a box of cookies
[17:23] <Tm_T> Kubuntu Kookies!
[17:23] <apachelogger> ah
[17:23] <apachelogger> bad!
[17:23] <apachelogger> that makes KK
[17:23] <apachelogger> you don't want to have KK, really
[17:23] <Tm_T> Kool Kubuntu Kookies then
[17:23] <apachelogger> K3
[17:23] <ScottK> No, that's worse.
[17:23] <Tm_T> how so?
[17:24] <ScottK> KKK is a severely racist organization in the US.
[17:24] <apachelogger> so
[17:24] <apachelogger> why do your racist organizations have K's in their names?
[17:24] <Tm_T> oh I know, and we have big crocery stores called KKK-Supermarket here
[17:24] <apachelogger> in europe they at least use something with N
[17:24] <apachelogger> Tm_T: oh dear
[17:25] <Tm_T> well K KK KKK and biggest ones are KKKK
[17:25] <apachelogger> we should just use kenji signs instead
[17:25] <Tm_T> apachelogger: why not Kubuntu signs?
[17:25] <ScottK> Well it's ~ a century and a half old, so I think they got there first.
[17:25] <apachelogger> Tm_T: because we only have one :P
[17:26] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but that's enough!
[17:26] <apachelogger> if you say so :P
[17:26] <apachelogger> we need a font though
[17:26] <apachelogger> and make it default, otherwise we can't use the sign on IRC
[17:26] <Sput> happy birthday \sh!
[17:27] <Sput> \sh: we shall have a (two, three, many) beer(s) as soon as I've started drinking again :)
[17:27] <apachelogger> Sput must be sober, he is so unproductive :P
[17:27] <Sput> I am :(
[17:27]  * ScottK points out http://techbase.kde.org/Development/CMake_KDE_4_2
[17:27] <apachelogger> back in the days you broke and rewrote quassel in one day
[17:28] <Sput> I'm busy figuring out why QFormLayout sucks in Oxygen theme
[17:28] <Sput> can't give seele her middle alignment stuff with that bug :/
[17:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: something interesting about it?
[17:29] <ScottK> It summarizes build system changes 4.0/4.1 -> 4.2
[17:32] <ScottK> Sput: Did you see the minimize bug discussions from last night on #quassel?
[17:33] <Sput> ScottK: yeah, didn't get around to look at it though
[17:33] <nixternal> do we have the 2.0.1.1 amarok in intrepid yet?
[17:33] <ScottK> nixternal: vorian was working on it yesterday.
[17:33] <nixternal> groovy
[17:33] <ScottK> Sput: OK.  As long as it goes on the list.
[17:33] <ScottK> nixternal: It's punted to Universe so mere MOTU can deal with it.
[17:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:34] <nixternal> looks like there is an amarok-kde4 update in intrepid already :)
[17:34] <ScottK> Yes, but it doesn't use the official mysql 5.1 packages, so there's more work for Jaunty to get it more right.
[17:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: he worked on jaunty
[17:35] <apachelogger> also for jaunty 5.1 is still in binary new
[17:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Right.  You did the Intrepid one.
[17:35] <ScottK> That too.
[17:35]  * ScottK wonders if Riddell can find a moment to fix that (get mysql 5.1 out of binary New)?
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: what does one have to do to become archive admin? :P
[17:45] <ScottK> Working for Canonical helps a lot.  AFAIK, Hobbsee is the only exception, but has limited access as a result.
[17:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: no more Vista for me! Windows 7!!! :P
[17:47] <ScottK> Nightrose: So Amarok works with Audible?
[17:47] <Tm_T> nixternal: 7lover!
[17:47] <nixternal> hahahaha
[17:47]  * Tm_T hides
[17:47] <Tm_T> nixternal: damn you, we have to change all factoids
[17:47] <nixternal> don't know yet...they opened up beta testing to everyone...so I am going to see if it is all people are saying it is
[17:47] <nixternal> I will give an un-biased report of course :p
[17:48] <Tm_T> !nixternal
[17:48] <Nightrose> ScottK: it did in 1.4 - i don't think Alejandro got around to making it work in 2
[17:49] <ScottK> OK.
[17:49] <Nightrose> but it is planned
[17:49] <ScottK> Nightrose: Audible is the thing that stands between my wife and being Windows free ...
[17:49]  * ScottK is interested ...
[17:49] <Nightrose> *nod*
[17:49] <Nightrose> xevix and aumuell are the guys to talk to about it
[17:50] <Nightrose> aumuell being the guy who did it for 1.4
[17:50] <nixternal> !nixternal
[17:50] <nixternal> hahahahahahahha
[17:50] <Nightrose> *lol* nixternal
[17:50] <Nightrose> so you love it, he?
[17:50] <Tm_T> sorry, had to fix that
[17:50] <nixternal> Nightrose: haven't even tried it yet, downloading it now
[17:50] <Nightrose> ;-) ok
[17:50] <nixternal> I need to go get another hard drive
[17:51] <Nightrose> tell us how much you love it once you tried
[17:51] <Nightrose> :P
[17:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: can one of you update http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu please?
[18:01] <nhandler> What is the best way to test out the latest kde on intrepid? I'm still getting used to not running the Development version of Ubuntu
[18:01] <apachelogger> nhandler: kubuntu-experimental PPA
[18:01] <apachelogger> nhandler: also I think JontheEchidna could use some help with backporting
[18:01] <nhandler> Thanks apachelogger
[18:01] <nhandler> apachelogger: What is he backporting?
[18:01] <apachelogger> nhandler: 4.1.96
[18:02] <nhandler> To intrepid?
[18:02] <apachelogger> or at least I am hoping he started backporting already :)
[18:02] <apachelogger> nhandler: yes
[18:03] <nhandler> Sure, I could give him a hand. Is the progress being tracked anywhere? Or should I just ask him what he has done?
[18:09] <seele> ScottK: i saw you made a comment about notifications in quassel, is it using knotify now?
[18:09] <ScottK> seele: Now it is.
[18:09] <ScottK> It wasn't before.
[18:09] <seele> ScottK: ok great
[18:09] <ScottK> It was actually better before.
[18:10] <seele> ScottK: i didnt get to install .4 yet (i'll get to it in about 30 minutes after i finish emails).. but does Quassel have an option to run in the systram without having an entry in the task panel?
[18:10] <seele> ScottK: i'm annoyed with the plasma notifications, but i forget if they were improved for rc1.  theyre too big and block too much of my work area
[18:10] <ScottK> seele: It does, but it's currently bugged.  Sput's aware of it.
[18:10] <seele> ScottK: ok.. as long as it's planned.
[18:11]  * ScottK is using it with 4.1.3, so dunno what it's like with 4.2.
[18:11] <ScottK> It'd be handy if someone running 4.2 would take a screenshot of a quassel notification using the Jaunty package or the one from my PPA?
[18:11]  * ScottK looks around.
[18:12] <Sput> ScottK: actually, close-to-tray seems to work fine here
[18:12] <ScottK> Sput: Clost to try works.  It's minimize to try that was the problem.
[18:12] <ScottK> Was/Is.
[18:12]  * ScottK needs more coffee
[18:13] <jussi01> ScottK: I can take a screenie of git +4.2 if you like?
[18:13] <ScottK> jussi01: With the KDE integration enabled?
[18:13] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah
[18:13] <Sput> ScottK: that works here too :(
[18:14] <ScottK> Yes.  Please.
[18:14] <jussi01> ScottK: please hilight me then :)
[18:14] <ScottK> Sput: With KDE integration.
[18:14] <Sput> ScottK: yes of course.
[18:14] <ScottK> jussi01: Hello from #kubuntu-devel
[18:14] <ScottK> Sput: Dunno what to say then.  Definitely no workee here.
[18:15] <Sput> ScottK: I have tried both checking and unchecking the box, and Quassel minimizes fine with both minimize and close button
[18:15] <Sput> I'm running KDE trunk though
[18:15] <ScottK> Maybe that's it.
[18:15]  * ScottK looks at jussi01 to try it too.
[18:15]  * Sput updates and restarts quassel just in case
[18:16] <Sput> ScottK: so you have both options checked?
[18:16] <ScottK> Sput: I've tried it with both and only one.
[18:16] <jussi01> ok, hilight again? (sorry)
[18:16] <ScottK> jussi01: Does minimize-to-tray work for you?
[18:17] <ScottK> Sput: It did not work both with both options checked and with just minimize-to-tray checked.
[18:17] <jussi01> minimize to tray doesnt work here
[18:17] <ScottK> minimize-to-try-on-minimize
[18:18] <jussi01> just remaximises
[18:18] <ScottK> Same here.
[18:18] <ScottK> Sput: close-to-tray works fine.
[18:19] <jussi01> ScottK: this is annoying, cant seem to get a screen - the notifications disapear on me. can you hilight me a few times in a row?
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <Sput> ScottK: I can't reproduce :(
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <ScottK> jussi01: Sure.  Repeated notifications here we come ....
[18:19] <nhandler> Riddell: ping
[18:19] <ScottK> Sorry everyone else.
[18:20] <ScottK> I hope that was enough.
[18:20] <ScottK> Sput: What KDE are you  running?
[18:20] <Sput> minimize on minimize, minimize on close, tray icon all work fine
[18:20] <Sput> 4.2.60
[18:20] <Sput> but I couldn't reproduce that issue last time I tried either
[18:20] <ScottK> Odd.
[18:21] <Sput> which makes fixing a bitch, obviously... I'd need somebody who can reproduce who is willing to have a look at our code and can debug this
[18:22] <ScottK> Unfortunately that would not be me.
[18:22] <ScottK> willing/able
[18:22] <jussi01> Sput: I can give you vnc to my machine...
[18:23] <Sput> jussi01: that might be an option, not right now though (have some other things cooking in my workdir currently)
[18:23] <ScottK> jussi01: Was that enough notifications?
[18:23] <Sput> plasma's notifications are broken still, they seem to ignore the "persistant" flag
[18:23] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, ive got it... (though with my other client - stole the wifes lappy fo a min)  1 sec
[18:24] <ScottK> OK.
[18:24] <ScottK> jussi01: Did you have to disable focus stealing protection?
[18:24] <ScottK> One does on 4.1.
[18:24] <Sput> on 4.2 as well, afaics
[18:24] <ScottK> OK.
[18:25] <Sput> KNotification has a flag to raise the window on click, with a TODO: No working yet
[18:25] <jussi01> ScottK: I just had another app running next in line (terminal) http://omploader.org/vMTQ5YQ
[18:25]  * ScottK looks
[18:26] <ScottK> jussi01: Looks much better than what I get in 4.1.
[18:26] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, MUCH bettefr :D
[18:26] <Sput> ah, 4.1 still had those ugly rectangles
[18:27] <jussi01> 4.2 does on occaision still
[18:28] <nixternal> seele: you tweeted to me about "browser stats" being misleading...please explain, because I am quite confused right now...this was from jan. 8
[18:29] <ScottK> jussi01: Here's my recursive look at it: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/notify.notify.png
[18:29] <seele> nixternal: i posted a message on one of your articles and it said i was on XP.  i assume that is because i set my user agent to XP so i can view websites which check for Windows
[18:29] <nixternal> ahhhh
[18:30] <jussi01> ScottK: heh... I like the look of my setup much better... ;)
[18:31] <jussi01> anyone tried the new network manager plasmoid in the last few days? (updating mine now)
[18:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: problem is the positioning of the passive popup?
[18:31] <apachelogger> jussi01: it looks better :P
[18:32] <jussi01> apachelogger: usable yet?
[18:32] <apachelogger> no :P
[18:32] <apachelogger> not for me anyway
[18:33] <apachelogger> 2 packages to go
[18:39] <ScottK> seele: Did you get the updated quassel working OK?
[18:39] <ScottK> torkiano: I just uploaded the fix for the conflicting packages.
[18:42] <torkiano> ScottK: downloading...
[18:42] <ScottK> Given the huge amount of change in the quassel package from 0.3.1 (thanks again apachelogger), if that's the only thin that's bugged in the packaging, I'm pretty pleased.
[18:42] <ScottK> thin/thing
[18:42] <torkiano> ScottK: Works fine now, thanks
[18:42] <ScottK> torkiano: Great.  Sorry for the trouble.
[18:43] <torkiano> I'll try it, see you soon ;-)
[18:45] <seele> ScottK: sorry.. still going through a pile of emails.  as soon as i finish this one i plan on installing .4
[18:45] <ScottK> OK.
[18:45] <seele> sometimes i think i work hard on kde than the job that pays me
[18:45] <seele> *harder
[18:45] <Sput> seele: why do I know that feeling :)
[18:47] <torkiano> mmmm
[18:47] <torkiano> I  believe i found a little bug XD
[18:48] <torkiano> in help->about quassel
[18:48] <torkiano> show 0.3 version
[18:49] <ScottK> torkiano: It's not a 0.4 release yet, just a git snapshot, so it's up to Sput when he wants to change that.
[18:49] <Sput> yeah, probably gonna take a couple weeks until we release 0.4 proper
[18:50] <torkiano> ScottK: I know, forget what I said then
[18:50] <ScottK> But please test and file bugs.
[18:52] <torkiano> ScottK: ok, but in the quassel tracker or here (they are your packages)
[18:52]  * Sput wonders if launchpad can relay to redmine
[18:53] <ScottK> Sput: I don't think so.  If you have a launchpad account it's easy enough to subscribe and get the bugmail.
[18:53] <ScottK> torkiano: The easy answer is if it's a packaging problem put it in Launchpad and if it's a quasell problem put it in their Redmine.
[18:54] <ScottK> Of course knowing the difference isn't always easy.
[18:54]  * Sput will subscribe to launchpad if redmine can't be integrated
[18:54] <ScottK> Sput: I'm sure it can't.
[18:54] <seele> Sput: is there a changelog thusfar?
[18:55] <nhandler> Is there a better way to setup multiple pbuilders than the way mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Multiple%20pbuilders
[18:55] <ScottK> nhandler: You can do it with pbuilder-dist very easily.
[18:56] <Sput> seele: there is one, but it just contains major features (and I don't think it's quite up to date currently)
[18:56] <torkiano> ok ScottK, thank you for the information. I'll do the best we can
[18:56] <nhandler> ScottK: Will that work with k-d-t ?
[18:56] <Sput> seele: there is git log, of course.
[18:57] <ScottK> Dunno
[18:57] <Sput> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/repositories/revisions/quassel-irc
[18:58] <ScottK> seele: The current snapshot we have packaged includes the commit from 01/10/2009 06:42 PM, but nothing after.
[18:59] <seele> ok thanks
[18:59] <Riddell> nhandler: you pinged?
[18:59] <apachelogger> nhandler: you can override pbuilder in kdt using the env var $PBUILDER
[18:59] <apachelogger> nhandler: smarter knows more about that
[19:00]  * smarter switched to sbuild, pbuilder-dist sucks :p
[19:00] <apachelogger> nhandler: also, I prefer to have multiple .pbuilderrcs for different series
[19:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: to become archive admin you need to hang around on #ubuntu-release and express and interest, I'm not sure what's available through launchpad these days (hobbsee will know), I use the command line but that needs ssh to datacentre so Canonical only
[19:01] <apachelogger> so ultimately I need to become canonical employee first -.-
[19:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think most stuff is available through launchpad now
[19:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think they need someone to cleanup canonical tower? ;-)
[19:02] <nhandler> Riddell: Could you add me to k-u-t
[19:02] <Riddell> nhandler: updates-testing?
[19:02] <apachelogger> hm, hold on
[19:02] <Riddell> nhandler: what's your LP id?
[19:02] <nhandler> nhandler
[19:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: we could make -ninjas a member of it?
[19:03]  * apachelogger thins it would make much more sense to have all ninjas be member of -ninjas and indirect member to all the other teams we have
[19:03]  * nhandler likes that idea
[19:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: please make ninjas a member of kut
[19:06] <apachelogger> or make me admin and I make ninjas a member :P
[19:07] <vorian> ScottK: nixternal, waiting for mysql5.1 to get through new first
[19:10] <nixternal> groovy
[19:11] <nhandler> Thanks Riddell
[19:12] <Riddell> "Kubuntu Ninjas (kubuntu-ninjas) has been invited to join this team.
[19:14] <Riddell> vorian: mysql 5.1 accepted
[19:14] <vorian> Riddell: AWESOME!
[19:14] <vorian> thanks so much
[19:14] <Riddell> kubuntu-ninjas accepted
[19:31] <apachelogger> is it me or is rsync borked?
[19:32] <apachelogger> from the cdimage server
[19:33] <apachelogger> hm, now it works
[19:42] <Sput> seele: I think you had the great idea of replacing the giant Quassel logo by some sort of welcome page where users can choose to edit network/identity and/or connect to a (possibly predefined) network
[19:42] <Sput> seele: Would you like to provide a mock-up (either as .ui or a graphics file) how that could/should look like?
[19:52]  * ScottK wonders how much more junk mail these team changes will get him.
[19:52] <apachelogger> lol
[19:52]  * ScottK is not kidding.
[19:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: you should see what I get at releases
[19:53]  * ScottK can imagine.
[19:53]  * ScottK would really like for the entire concept of merge notifications to just die and go away.
[19:54]  * ScottK could really care less if some mozillathingy has a branch that wants merged.
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am not sure but I think you can unsubscirbe $team from the branch ;-)
[19:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Unfortunately those branches are owned by ubuntu-dev.
[19:57] <ScottK> So that might not make everyone happy.
[19:57] <ScottK> They need to disambiguate 'can commit to the branch' from 'cares if it wants merged'.
[19:58] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/ReleasePackaging
[20:00] <apachelogger> enough information?
[20:00]  * ScottK guesses too much before he looks.
[20:00] <apachelogger> oi vei
[20:02]  * apachelogger burns jaunty
[20:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: The only thing that leaps out as missing is where/how one gets the correct batrc.
[20:03] <ScottK> Is that automagic now?
[20:03] <apachelogger> the idea is that that is private :P
[20:04] <ScottK> OK.
[20:04] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[20:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: you just need to download the .batrc_path which defines where exactly the .batrc lives ... if no .batrc is around the batscritps will try to download one via the url in .batrc_path
[20:54]  * JontheEchidna tries quassel
[20:55]  * JontheEchidna purges config for pure experience
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> meh, gotta go
[21:23] <torkiano> bug 201291
[21:24] <torkiano> my ogv video appears without its video icon
[21:25] <torkiano> is it a bug in kubuntu-default-settings?
[21:25] <torkiano> I use KDE4.2 4.1.85
[21:27] <torkiano> if I change the extension to ogg, I get the correct video icon
[23:00] <ScottK> kdesvn could really use a merge from Debian Experimental if someone were in the mood.
[23:01] <ScottK> We're quite behind.
[23:58] <Nightrose> cheaters (@ amarok screenshot in the 2.0.1.1 news) ;-)
[23:59] <Nightrose> that is clearly an old beta screenshot
[23:59] <Nightrose> thx for the story though