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| adiroiban | mdke: hi | 19:55 |
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| mdke | adiroiban: hi | 21:10 |
| adiroiban | for hardy I have changed the ubuntu-doc folder organization to match the one from intrepid | 21:11 |
| adiroiban | and in this way I can use the same script for doing all the work | 21:12 |
| mdke | adiroiban: that's not something we can use I'm afraid - the changes to the directory structure are too invasive to upload to hardy | 21:13 |
| mdke | adiroiban: but, most tranlators are not focusing on hardy now anyy | 21:13 |
| mdke | s/anyy/anyway | 21:13 |
| adiroiban | ok | 21:14 |
| mdke | adiroiban: in your last email you asked if I can request the translations for intrepid, but I sent those to you already, you got them, right? | 21:15 |
| adiroiban | but the hardy POT files were not changed, so I can use my local folders to generate the report and other stuff | 21:15 |
| adiroiban | I got a set | 21:15 |
| adiroiban | but I don't know if they were for hardy or intrepid | 21:15 |
| mdke | I said in the covering email which release was applicable, hardy or intrepid | 21:16 |
| mdke | you should have got them both | 21:16 |
| adiroiban | Ah. my bad | 21:16 |
| adiroiban | I got both of them | 21:17 |
| mdke | great | 21:17 |
| adiroiban | Thanks! | 21:17 |
| adiroiban | do you think we need to create jaunty reports? | 21:17 |
| mdke | I've uploaded the intrepid translations to our ubuntu-intrepid branch | 21:18 |
| mdke | jaunty reports would be useful, but not yet - we haven't yet uploaded the pot files for jaunty | 21:18 |
| adiroiban | ok. | 21:18 |
| adiroiban | I will update the stats page using the new Intrepid po files | 21:19 |
| adiroiban | brb... about 15 minutes | 21:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey mdke | 21:21 |
| Rocket2DMn | fyi i was accepted for membership, thank you again for your testimonial! | 21:21 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: hiya. Yes, I saw that, good job! | 21:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | :) | 21:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | i also have a question for you: | 21:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | why can't we set importance on bugs filed against Ubuntu Documentation? | 21:23 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: are you in the ubuntu-core-docs team? | 21:35 |
| mdke | ubuntu-core-doc, sorry | 21:35 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: looks like you're not; ubuntu-core-doc is the bug supervisor for the ubuntu-doc project so that's the team that can set importance for bugs | 21:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | no, im not in that | 21:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | i didnt notice that team was set as the maintainer | 21:47 |
| adiroiban | back | 21:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | well, i have no intention of being a committer, i'm not familiar with bzr or the process | 21:52 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: it's really easy to learn if you're up for working on some of the system documents - we always need new contributors :) | 21:56 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: obviously, we can help you as you learn | 21:56 |
| Rocket2DMn | if you or somebody else wants to teach me, then i'm willing to learn | 21:58 |
| mdke | sure, you'll always find help. The only skill you need is to be keen to contribute | 21:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | i havent used bazaar at all, and dont actually know anything about the system documents and ubuntu-docs package | 21:58 |
| mdke | and having seen your work so far, I know you have that skill | 21:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | ive done most of my work on the wiki | 21:58 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: have a read of the pages under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation and see if things start to make sense or if you have other questions | 21:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | alright, i'll have a look at that shortly, looks like there is a lot of info there | 22:00 |
| mdke | yeah | 22:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh, and did you get my message a week or two ago about your forums howto | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | its a little outdated | 22:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81999 | 22:02 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: yeah, we should definitely update that, I'll put it on my mental todo list | 22:04 |
| mdke | thanks | 22:04 |
| adiroiban | mdke: the intrepid xml and html generation and status script is running and in a couple of hour we should have a result. you only need to put the achive form Launchpad in the docs root folder and the script will do the job :) | 22:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, i had a look through those pages, they seem straightforward enough. I'll setup my local copy/branch later tonight when i'm back in Ubuntu. | 22:19 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: great | 22:23 |
| mdke | adiroiban: great as well :) | 22:23 |
| adiroiban | :) | 22:24 |
| adiroiban | mdke: what do you say about the idea of having the Glossary as a docbook? | 22:57 |
| mdke | adiroiban: the question is whether it would be useful for inclusion in the system documentation? I'm not sure really | 23:04 |
| mdke | I'm not sure whether people would use it, or how much work would be required to make it high quality | 23:05 |
| adiroiban | now we have the "windows" glossary | 23:06 |
| adiroiban | I find it useful for new computer users | 23:06 |
| mdke | that's part of the "Switching from Windows" document, yes | 23:06 |
| mdke | maybe we could adapt the wiki glossary page to be used in the system documentation. Quite a few irrelevant items would be removed, but reading through it, it doesn't look to be in bad shape | 23:11 |
| adiroiban | I found it more useful in the translated form | 23:17 |
| adiroiban | as a user can see a concept (maybe translated) | 23:17 |
| adiroiban | and search to see what's that | 23:17 |
| adiroiban | for example if I want to search yelp for "sesiune" (the romanian translation for session) , it will return 0 results | 23:17 |
| adiroiban | if I will try "session" (but I don't know if a user will do that) , yelp returns to many results, from different applications | 23:17 |
| adiroiban | but the term is not described in any result | 23:17 |
| mdke | that's strange | 23:18 |
| mdke | yelp should find translated words as well, I wonder why sesiune doesn't have any results | 23:18 |
| adiroiban | "session" is popular in gnome-user-docs | 23:20 |
| adiroiban | but gnome-user-docs is not yet fully translated | 23:20 |
| mdke | I see | 23:20 |
| mdke | "session" doesn't appear in the Glossary on the help wiki though... | 23:20 |
| mdke | maybe we could add items from other glossaries | 23:21 |
| adiroiban | I like the idea of having a wiki as it is easy to edit | 23:21 |
| adiroiban | but that glossary is not included in yelp | 23:22 |
| adiroiban | maybe create a script to parse the wiki and create a yelp document | 23:22 |
| adiroiban | looking after other glossaries is another step | 23:22 |
| adiroiban | there is an Gnome one... but it was not updated | 23:23 |
| adiroiban | it would be great to have one glossary for all open source projects | 23:23 |
| mdke | there are no good tools in existence for converting wiki markup to docbook, otherwise we'd have our whole project in a wiki | 23:23 |
| adiroiban | but I don't know if this is feasible | 23:23 |
| mdke | there are some, but they all have quite significant defects | 23:24 |
| mdke | so the best we can do is to export the wiki page into xml using one of the existing tools, tidy it up, and continue to maintain it in xml | 23:26 |
| adiroiban | I would like to have a translatable glossary for 2 reasons. 1. Help users, 2. Help translators | 23:26 |
| mdke | right, but a glossary for Rosetta would be very difficult to a glossary for Ubuntu documentation | 23:27 |
| adiroiban | true... maybe have the translators glossary and from a subset of those term to create the documentation glossary | 23:28 |
| adiroiban | I could imagine that for translators, this glossary will look more like a terminology | 23:28 |
| mdke | hmm | 23:29 |
| adiroiban | but a least for Ubuntu, from the user point of view, I can imagine a common glossary for Ubuntu and GNOME | 23:31 |
| mdke | right, that's what I meant by adding items from other glossaries | 23:31 |
| adiroiban | apart from GNOME, what other glosarries were you thinking of? | 23:32 |
| mdke | any others that exist, I don't know | 23:32 |
| adiroiban | ok | 23:33 |
| adiroiban | I will start a discussion on the mailinglist to see what other glossaries we could use | 23:33 |
| adiroiban | and what people say about it... maybe the glossary will not be of to much help in ubuntu-docs | 23:34 |
| mdke | yes. You can carry on the existing thread | 23:34 |
| * mdke goes to bed, night all | 23:39 | |
| adiroiban | good night | 23:39 |
| adiroiban | the script is still translating xml files | 23:39 |
| adiroiban | :) | 23:39 |
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