[03:31] <james_w> rock!
[03:32] <james_w> new fridge mockups :-)
[05:24] <boredandblogging> james_w: yeah, nand is kicking butt
[15:40] <tyche> Morning, kennymc0
[15:45] <kennymc0> morning
[15:45] <tyche> How goes it?
[15:45] <kennymc0> it goes alright
[15:45] <kennymc0> just finished putting everything that i normally do into the uwn
[15:46] <kennymc0> would have done it last night before i went to bed but it said that johnc4510 was still in it
[15:46] <tyche> Great.  Now all we have to do is wait for myrtlebeachbums.
[15:47] <kennymc0> i was working on it while watching saturday night live
[15:47] <kennymc0> with Neil Patrick Harris hosting
[15:47] <tyche> Oh, DEAR.  Maybe I should check it, then.  Hee hee
[15:47] <kennymc0> :)
[15:47] <kennymc0> ROFL
[15:48] <kennymc0> well i'm going to go get myself some breakfast bbl
[15:49] <tyche> Yea, I'd done a bunch of work yesterday, but there were holes (things I didn't know how to handle).  Went out on errands with my wife (and supper), and when I got back johnc4510 had beat me to them ALL.
[15:50] <kennymc0> lol
[16:09] <LirazSiri> Hi, I'd like to try and do the security and package updates for this issue. Who usually handles that? (I'd like to prevent duplicated effort)
[16:11] <tyche> LirazSiri: They're already done for this issue.  And the best way to get involved is to get trained.  We have certain procedures that help make the job simpler and more consistent.
[16:11] <LirazSiri> tyche: who usually does that?
[16:11] <tyche> If you'd like to get involved, I'd be happy to share my knowledge with you.
[16:12] <tyche> kennymc0 is doing them, at present.
[16:12] <LirazSiri> does he always handle them?
[16:12] <tyche> Since he started, yes.  Before that, there have been others including myself
[16:13] <LirazSiri> let's say I want to pick up that role, by what time should I have that ready?
[16:14] <tyche> The whole package that includes Security and Updates is usually done as LATE as possible, to include information on the whole week.  The whole package includes not only Security and Updates but Upcoming Meetings and the Statistics.
[16:14] <LirazSiri> statistics such as?
[16:15] <tyche> The work involved in it takes anywhere from 2 to 4 hours, usually.  Sometimes longer.
[16:15] <tyche> The Ubuntu Stats include Bug Stats, Translation Stats, and 5-a-day bug stats
[16:16] <LirazSiri> Well, I volunteer to take care of the security and updates section. I've taken a look at the 4 last issues and I think I can handle that. As for training, I propose to prepare the security and updates section for today independently and then submit that to you for review. If it's satisfactory I can begin doing this regulary
[16:17] <LirazSiri> does that sound ok?
[16:17] <tyche> When I started with the UWN, I developed a text file template that we use to help find where the information is, and how to present it.  You might be better off letting me go through that with you, so you understand the job.  I have no doubt that you can pick up a lot on your own, but it's better to have the whole picture.
[16:19] <LirazSiri> tyche: thanks but I don't want to waste your time unnecessarily. You sent me the template a few weeks ago. What works best for me when I'm learning is to first try and figure out things on my own and then have someone more experienced give me feedback and complete the picture.
[16:19] <LirazSiri> ok?
[16:21] <tyche> LirazSiri: You wouldn't be wasting my time.  It's part of what I do.  Besides, I'm retired, and my time is my own.
[16:23] <tyche> Also, since I'm only an associate editor, I'd have to get direction from johnc4510 and boredandblogging as to what section(s) you should take over.
[16:23] <LirazSiri> tyche: ok, I'll go and do my homework, and be back when I have something for you to review. I'll also send you wiki text by email (I prepare it in a text editor).
[16:24] <LirazSiri> that's ok, I've talked with Nick and he has urged me to get more involved, so I think we'll figure it out.
[16:25] <LirazSiri> cheers. I'll be back soon
[16:29]  * myrtlebeachbums is alive and jumping into UWN 124 now. :)
[16:29] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums: Morning.
[16:29] <tyche> Glad to see you could get up so early.  Hee hee
[16:29] <myrtlebeachbums> Good morning.
[16:34] <myrtlebeachbums> Well you know me on weekends tyche ;)
[16:34] <tyche> Yep.  That's why I said "up so early".  It isn't noon, yet.  hee hee
[16:34] <myrtlebeachbums> Exactly!
[16:41] <johnc4510> morning -news
[16:42] <tyche> Yea, but by the time it gets out, it's evening -news.  Hee hee
[16:43] <johnc4510> lol
[16:43] <myrtlebeachbums> Is Dan Rather joining our team?
[16:43] <johnc4510> tyche: did you look over the jono piece on good people, great teams
[16:43] <johnc4510> ?
[16:43] <myrtlebeachbums> Bad "Evening News with Dan Rather" joke.
[16:43] <johnc4510> kennymc0: ping
[16:43] <johnc4510> lol
[16:44] <tyche> Naw, we don't aspire that high.  With us, we just use all the news that print to fit.
[16:44] <tyche> Yea, I read it over, then you beat me to it.
[16:44] <tyche> Besides, I like yours better.
[16:44] <johnc4510> ah ok
[16:45] <johnc4510> i wasn't sure, the piece was written a bit differently
[16:47] <johnc4510> anyone working on the edubuntu meeting minutes??
[16:47] <johnc4510> if not i'll jump in there
[16:47] <johnc4510> ??
[17:03] <johnc4510> brb
[17:08] <johnc4510> back
[17:09] <johnc4510> tyche: ping
[17:09] <myrtlebeachbums> TTL expired in transit ;)
[17:10] <johnc4510> :)
[17:30] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums: don't forget to add your credit to the issue :)
[17:31] <myrtlebeachbums> Will do.
[17:31] <johnc4510> k
[17:31] <myrtlebeachbums> Working on the last ITP article now and will post. I'm definitely up for ideas on how to revise the "What Ubuntu Must Do" article, but I like the way the others worked out. Youll see soon.
[17:35] <johnc4510> cool
[17:40] <myrtlebeachbums> ITP pasted in.
[17:43] <johnc4510> thx
[17:48] <johnc4510> ok, the welcome and In this Issue is up
[17:49] <johnc4510> proof readers now appreciated
[17:49] <johnc4510> no pay of course
[17:49] <johnc4510> :)
[17:49] <tyche> *-I'm going through and proofing, and checking for glossary terms now.
[17:49] <johnc4510> lol
[17:49] <johnc4510> great minds
[17:49] <johnc4510> well, mine anyway hee hee
[17:50] <tyche> Thank you for acknowledging the fact . . . that mine is great, I mean.
[17:50] <johnc4510> lol
[17:50] <johnc4510> i took it back shortly after lol
[17:50] <tyche> No, you only TRIED to take it back.  Hee hee
[17:50] <johnc4510> ah
[18:01] <boredandblogging> just a reminder to everyone, please don't include wiki-style links in the UWN
[18:02] <boredandblogging> they won't work when copy them for the email and forums
[18:02] <johnc4510> right
[18:02] <tyche> Yep.  Part of what the proofing is about is to remove camelbacks
[18:03] <myrtlebeachbums> ITB pasted in.
[18:03] <johnc4510> k, thx
[18:03]  * myrtlebeachbums writes this date down because he missed no camelbacks in any articles this week. 
[18:03] <johnc4510> lol
[18:03] <boredandblogging> :-)
[18:03] <tyche> ROFL
[18:04] <myrtlebeachbums> I did however seem to forget to click save after telling you I posted ITB. Duh Dave...
[18:11] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums: second entry in ITB, "in order to make them useable for people East Palo Alto." should be "in order to make them useable for people in East Palo Alto."
[18:12] <myrtlebeachbums> Gotcha. Fixing.
[18:13] <tyche> Thanks
[18:18] <johnc4510> myrtlebeachbums: nice job, only minor edits
[18:19] <myrtlebeachbums> Thanks johnc!
[18:19] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: ping
[18:20] <tyche> Why am I
[18:20] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: yo
[18:20] <johnc4510> we ended up with 2 Freescale articles, one ITP and one ION   should i leave both in?
[18:20] <tyche> Why am I "Waiting for wiki.ubuntu.com..."
[18:20] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: nah
[18:20] <johnc4510> it saw you coming
[18:20] <boredandblogging> keep the best one
[18:20] <boredandblogging> or merge them
[18:20] <johnc4510> k
[18:21] <tyche> Glossary in.
[18:21] <johnc4510> thx
[18:21] <myrtlebeachbums> Careful - I thought the same thing on the Freescale articles, and after review they do seem to complement each other.
[18:21] <myrtlebeachbums> ...but that's just my opinion.
[18:22] <johnc4510> yeah, i'm going to try and merge them
[18:22] <myrtlebeachbums> Go for it.
[18:23] <tyche> johnc4510: should I add a link to the glossary page I created, for those who might have references outside the UWN to use?
[18:26] <johnc4510> depends on how you handle it i think
[18:26] <johnc4510> lol
[18:26] <rhagge> hello---just testing---don't mind me!
[18:26] <johnc4510> put it in and let me see
[18:26] <johnc4510> please
[18:26] <johnc4510> rhagge: hey
[18:27] <tyche> dantrevino is in there currently
[18:29] <johnc4510> yeah
[18:29] <johnc4510> who's that hee hee
[18:29] <johnc4510> ah, florida member it looks like
[18:29] <tyche> dantalizing, he's in #ubuntu-us
[18:30] <boredandblogging> dantalizing runs the Florida team
[18:30] <johnc4510> ah
[18:30] <johnc4510> loco news maybe then
[18:30] <johnc4510> :)
[18:30] <LirazSiri> tyche: I sent you the practice security & updates section by mail
[18:30] <johnc4510> LirazSiri: hey
[18:30] <LirazSiri> hi john
[18:30] <johnc4510> i saw your earlier conversation with tyche
[18:30] <LirazSiri> ah great
[18:31] <tyche> LirazSiri: Yea, I haven't had a chance to check them, yet.  I'm a bit busy right now.
[18:31] <johnc4510> we'd be glad to have you do the stats, meetings and update and security if you want
[18:31] <LirazSiri> Should I send it to someone else?
[18:31] <johnc4510> ?
[18:31] <tyche> Right now, the UWN staff is kinda busy getting the UWN finalized and out.
[18:31] <johnc4510> so they match up with what we have in the issue?
[18:31] <myrtlebeachbums> Sunday afternoon is usually crunch time for the latest UWN. Any other day is probably good.
[18:32] <LirazSiri> johnc4510: I don't know I haven't checked
[18:32] <johnc4510> k
[18:32] <johnc4510> the current stuff is in and should be right
[18:32] <LirazSiri> alright, maybe I should use that for comparison then
[18:32] <johnc4510> that would work great
[18:32] <johnc4510> :)
[18:32] <LirazSiri> I'll just compare my practice run with the actual wiki text and see if it's ok
[18:33] <LirazSiri> alright.
[18:33] <johnc4510> cool
[18:33] <LirazSiri> having done the practice run today, I can commit to doing this every week if you guys will let me
[18:34] <johnc4510> great, what parts did you do exactly?
[18:34] <LirazSiri> the security and updates sections
[18:34] <johnc4510> ok
[18:34] <johnc4510> they need to be done late sat. night or early sunday morning then
[18:34] <johnc4510> to be current
[18:34] <LirazSiri> I'll have to stake a look to see what the statistics and meetings section are about. I don't know anything about how to do that yet, so I can't commit.
[18:35] <johnc4510> ok, look it over
[18:35] <johnc4510> it's not any harder than the other though
[18:35] <myrtlebeachbums> Paging tyche the trainer. One n00b coming up.
[18:35] <kennymc0> the security and updates is a piece of cake
[18:35] <kennymc0> usually only takes about 10 min
[18:35] <tyche> myrtlebeachbums: SegFault . . . paging did not work.  LOL
[18:36] <LirazSiri> really? tyche told the whole section usually takes 2-4 hours
[18:36] <kennymc0> if it's just after a release maybe a little longer since there are usually a ton of updates :)
[18:36] <myrtlebeachbums> :)
[18:36] <myrtlebeachbums> Maybe... That's funny kennymc0
[18:36] <johnc4510> yeah, it varies on time
[18:36] <johnc4510> right after a new release comes out it is usually longer
[18:36] <kennymc0> it can take 2 hours for everything i do if it's just after a release and there are over 100 updates
[18:36] <johnc4510> for a week or two, then settles down
[18:37] <kennymc0> first issue i worked on was just after a release and i had to put in 150 updates total
[18:37] <myrtlebeachbums> That's when you start asking "Isn't there some new guy that wants to join the UWN team that I can pass this off to?"
[18:37] <kennymc0> that was a _TON_ of fun
[18:37] <johnc4510> lol
[18:37] <kennymc0> THAT'S why I got started then
[18:37] <myrtlebeachbums> kennymc0 - have I told you that your joining the team was perfectly timed? :D
[18:37] <kennymc0> it all makes sense now
[18:37] <tyche> Been there, done that, worn the T-shirt . . . out.
[18:38] <LirazSiri> kennymc0: when do you usually work on this stuff?
[18:38] <LirazSiri> Sunday? Sat evening?
[18:38] <kennymc0> i started at about 10 last night
[18:38] <tyche> LirazSiri: that's AZ time
[18:38] <johnc4510> ok i merged the two freescale pieces by just adding the other links and indicating what they were
[18:39] <kennymc0> i did the bug stats translation stats, 5-a-day bug stats, upcoming events and the security updates and stuff
[18:39] <LirazSiri> kennymc0: since you seem to have a bit more experience doing this, maybe I could send you the wiki text by email next Saturday/early sunday?
[18:39] <dantalizing> i'm done editing guys
[18:39] <johnc4510> dantalizing: hi
[18:39] <dantalizing> sorry for the last minute editing
[18:39] <johnc4510> np
[18:39] <dantalizing> morning johnc4510
[18:39] <kennymc0> ok
[18:39] <johnc4510> what did you add?
[18:39] <LirazSiri> that way if I make any mistakes you can catch them
[18:39] <dantalizing> florida loco news
[18:39] <johnc4510> cool   thx
[18:39] <tyche> dantalizing: bookmark the channel.  We usually work in here, to avoid confusion.
[18:40] <dantalizing> gotcha
[18:40] <kennymc0> LirazSiri: you can even just post them and i can check them when you have them up
[18:40] <kennymc0> that would probably be fastest
[18:40] <kennymc0> then I could let you know if you did anything wrong and teach you how to fix it :)
[18:41] <tyche> johnc4510: I added the link at the bottom of the Glossary.  you can take a look.
[18:41] <johnc4510> tyche: k
[18:42] <johnc4510> tyche: yeah that's ok
[18:42] <johnc4510> thx
[18:42] <tyche> Good.  I tried to make it as generic as possible.
[18:42] <johnc4510> right
[18:43] <johnc4510> tyche: add it to the template too please
[18:43] <tyche> Will do.  That's an EASY fix
[18:44] <tyche> LoCo News, one camelback and 3 inline links.
[18:45] <tyche> dantalizing: Do you happen to have the information on the Tampa Linux Meetup posted on a wiki or blog page?
[18:46] <dantalizing> the meetup page
[18:46] <dantalizing> one sec
[18:46] <dantalizing> http://www.meetup.com/Tampa-Linux
[18:46] <dantalizing> want me to add it?
[18:47] <tyche> Great, then we can add that link underneath, as the reference point.
[18:47] <johnc4510> i cleaned up the hotlinks
[18:47] <johnc4510> just add the link
[18:47] <tyche> kk.  Can do
[18:49] <LirazSiri> when are the bug and translation stats done? if I do them on Saturday evening will that be ok?
[18:49] <johnc4510> tyche: i missed the last hotlink for the global bug jam :(
[18:49] <tyche> I was about to mention that.  I'll get it.
[18:49] <johnc4510> k
[18:49] <tyche> I'm in right now.
[18:50] <johnc4510> got to step away for a few, bb shortly
[18:56] <tyche> dantalizing: Thanks for your help and your addition.
[18:59] <dantalizing> guys this doesnt look right : https://launchpad.net/~thelupine and https://launchpad.net/~itnet7 where Lupine and itnet7 sat down with several of us for a mini bug ja
[19:00] <tyche> How about if I pulled the links out and put them underneith, just referencing them with a number, like [1]?
[19:01] <tyche> That would be the easiest fix.  Would the sentence read properly then?
[19:01] <dantalizing> i think so
[19:01] <tyche> OK, hold on.
[19:04] <tyche> dantalizing: take a look now.
[19:04] <dantalizing> nice
[19:04] <johnc4510> dantalizing: we can't have any hotlinks in the issue since we email it out and the links don't work
[19:04] <johnc4510> bakc
[19:04] <johnc4510> back
[19:05] <tyche> OK.  Now you see why we work in here.  Hee hee
[19:05] <dantalizing> johnc4510: gotcha.. i'll remember that
[19:05] <johnc4510> thx
[19:06] <johnc4510> tyche: looks good thx
[19:06] <tyche> NP
[19:06] <johnc4510> i'm going to do some wiki cleanup now
[19:06] <tyche> kk
[19:07] <johnc4510> dantalizing: give me your name and i'll add it to the credits
[19:07] <johnc4510> :)
[19:07] <dantalizing> Dan Trevino
[19:07] <johnc4510> k
[19:07] <dantalizing> thanks
[19:08] <johnc4510> np
[19:08] <tyche> See what happens when you add things to the UWN?  You get KNOWN.  LOL
[19:08] <myrtlebeachbums> "The Usual Suspects" ;)
[19:09] <tyche> Naw, we're VERY unusual.  Hee hee
[19:09] <myrtlebeachbums> Very true
[19:14] <johnc4510> ok, we're looking pretty good, i'll do the spell check and final run thru and publish a little later
[19:14] <johnc4510> thanks folks
[19:14] <johnc4510> great job again
[19:14] <johnc4510> :)
[19:14] <myrtlebeachbums> Thanks johnc4510.
[19:14] <johnc4510> :)
[19:15] <johnc4510> ah, now for a little work in the lazyboy
[19:15] <johnc4510> hee hee
[19:16] <myrtlebeachbums> :)
[19:16] <tyche> Oh, I mis-read that.  I thought he said that he was going to do a little work AS a lazy boy.  Hee hee
[19:17] <johnc4510-laptop> oooooooooh cut!!
[19:17] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[19:21] <kennymc0> ok i'm back
[19:21] <kennymc0> modem decided to lose its internet connection for a bit
[19:22] <kennymc0> parents hadnt tightened the coax cable going into the back of it down enough
[19:32] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[19:52] <johnc4510-laptop> ok, i'm going to release and publish folks    thx again!!
[19:55] <johnc4510-laptop> boredandblogging: ping
[19:55] <kennymc0> boredandblogging: ping
[19:55] <kennymc0> johnc4510-laptop: wants you
[19:55] <kennymc0> :)
[19:56] <johnc4510-laptop> i got like 50 unsubscribe notices from the -news mailing list at 2:00AM this morning. seems kind of strange to have that many at the same time. Wondering if it was a cron job or a hack??
[19:56] <johnc4510-laptop> boredandblogging: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[19:57] <tyche> I think you just haven't been keeping up.  There have been that number, but they happened over time.
[19:58] <tyche> I've also gotten a bunch of subscriptions.
[19:58] <tyche> Check the dates of the notices
[19:59] <johnc4510-laptop> dates all show 2:00AM this morning
[19:59] <johnc4510-laptop> that's why i was wondering about it
[19:59] <tyche> Hmmm.  Strange.
[19:59] <johnc4510-laptop> yeah
[19:59] <tyche> Like I said, I've gotten them, but over time.
[20:00] <tyche> Same with bounce notifications and action needed notifications.
[20:01] <johnc4510-laptop> sure, but this looks odd right off to me
[20:01] <boredandblogging> johnc4510-laptop: sorry
[20:01] <boredandblogging> was getting some food
[20:01] <johnc4510-laptop> np
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> you see my above note
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> ?
[20:02] <boredandblogging> nah, it probably processes stuff like that in batches
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> kk
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> just struck me as odd
[20:02] <tyche> WHAT???!!!!???  boredandblogging eats???  When was he allowed to do that!!!  Hee hee
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> all at once
[20:02] <boredandblogging> i do try to maintain my girlish figure
[20:02] <johnc4510-laptop> lol
[20:03] <tyche> So do I.  But now it's a rather FAT girl.  LOL
[20:08] <boredandblogging> thanks everyone for UWN #124!
[20:08] <tyche> You're welcome.  :-D
[20:09] <boredandblogging> heh
[20:10] <johnc4510-laptop> yep
[20:11] <johnc4510-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue124
[20:42] <LirazSiri> when does the UWN template for the next week go up? (e.g., will it be setup by Saturday night?)