[00:44] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: #ubuntu *is* community support
[00:45] <Jack_Sparrow> We havent been supporting the ppc version
[00:45] <Flannel> Of course, ppc specific stuff is in -powerpc
[00:46] <Flannel> Mmm, his particular question belongs in -powerpc, but a blanket attitude like that is a poor policy
[00:46] <Jack_Sparrow> noted
[00:47] <Flannel> Usually because the people don't know what the problem is, and may be something like "how do I use synaptic", and they mention theyre on PPC jsut because they don't know any better, etc.
[00:48] <Jack_Sparrow> mint is community supported like many deriv's.. we dont support it
[00:48] <Jack_Sparrow> His question belonged in a diff channel.  but I will watch the tone of my response to that
[01:02] <nalioth> Can you European folks text message folks in the USA w/o paying with a pint of blood?
[01:49] <elkbuntu> sigh... why must it become ##windows-offtopic :( :( :(
[01:49] <elkbuntu> i got screamed down for trying to reclaim the channel yesterday, who wants to try today?
[01:50] <Seeker`> which channel?
[01:51] <Seeker`> just ban everyone
[01:51] <elkbuntu> offtopic of course
[01:52] <Seeker`> yeah, just ban everyone
[01:52]  * bluesmoke will ban you all :P
[01:53] <elkbuntu> they seem to have corrected themselves for the moment
[01:53] <elkbuntu> bluesmoke, try not to let it be ##windows-offtopic in there please. we are not a windows 7 advertisement agency
[01:54] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: really?
[01:54] <Seeker`> Wow, I'm in the wrong channel then
[01:54] <Seeker`> :P
[01:54] <bluesmoke> elkbuntu: It's the latest tech topic, unless you have something more interesting to talk about?
[01:55] <elkbuntu> bluesmoke, it might be the latest tech topic, but if i wanted to talk about windows, i'd go to ##windows
[01:55] <elkbuntu> since i dont want to talk about windows, i chose a linux distro channel. i kind of expect it to be about the distro, not windows
[01:55] <bluesmoke> ha
[01:56] <bluesmoke> #ubuntu-offtopic has never been all ubuntu-related talk
[01:56] <elkbuntu> see what i did there?
[01:56] <bluesmoke> it's people who use ubuntu talking about things, big difference
[01:57] <elkbuntu> of course not, but i find it really insulting that it be nothing about ubuntu and all about windows
[01:57] <elkbuntu> really really insulting
[01:59] <bluesmoke> that makes Ubuntu sound like a religion
[02:01] <elkbuntu> no, it makes ubuntu sound like something that has values, such as, oh i dont know, bug #1
[02:03] <elkbuntu> bluesmoke, -offtopic doesnt belong to ubuntu users any more. the loudest people in there have often not installed it or stepped foot in #ubuntu. they're there purely because it's one of the largest offtopic-named channels on the network.
[02:12] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-offtopic, dmsuperman said: !42 is 42 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything
[02:21] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, Who da bot?
[02:22] <nickrud> u da bot!
[02:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I Have been accuded of being a bot, but I'm not running one
[02:23] <nickrud> I still haven't run you thru a turing test
[02:23]  * nickrud wonders about all but nalioth, he's the only one he's seen in person
[02:44]  * nalioth blinks
[02:46] <Seeker`> i reckon nalioth is a bot really
[02:48] <Seeker`> maybe a form of AI
[02:49] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, <kelbizzle> VideoSmith: HAHAHA MY NIG!             I warned should we do more
[02:50] <nickrud> one of those iffy's, I'd say. They know each other, and if they stay ok otherwise. If it's a one time thing of course
 kelbizzle:  cmon m8 lets go hit Microsoft.
[02:52] <Jack_Sparrow> HE was understanding and said it wont happen again
[02:52] <bazhang> dont know whether to redirect to ##windows or #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:52] <nickrud> with followup jk. Again, high spirits, mostly on topic that I've seen since
[02:52] <bazhang> err #ubuntu-win7
[02:53] <nickrud> lol, elkbuntu made that?
[02:53] <bazhang> no wai
[02:53] <nickrud> that has to be one of the best channel names I've seen :)
[02:53] <bazhang> check the /topic in -ot :)
[02:54] <nickrud> heh. 
[02:54] <Flannel> Nothing wrong with the topic in -ot
[02:54] <bazhang> indeed not.
[02:54] <nickrud> don't think anyone thinks so
[02:54] <bazhang> never implied as such
[02:54] <Flannel> Nothing wrong with talking about win 7 in -ot either, for that matter.
[02:58] <elkbuntu> Flannel, anneshirley is a fedora op?
[02:58] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I have no idea.
[02:58] <Flannel> She "learned about it" in #fedora
[02:58] <Flannel> that doesn't mean shes an op
[02:59] <Flannel> I assumed she meant that she learned how to act annoying... but, that may be reading into it ;)
[03:00] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[03:00] <Flannel> No, she's not.
[03:01] <Flannel> Or at least, not on the current access list
[03:08] <elkbuntu> she definately seems pseudotrollesque
[03:09] <Flannel> s/pseudo/
[03:09] <Flannel> er, with another /
[03:10] <Flannel> Shes been "told" the rules, and now she's "enforcing" them overzealously.
[03:10] <Flannel> Or, she was.  I noticed that chatter in there went down to a low din, so I stopped paying so much attention
[03:37] <n00b-helper> hello!
[03:37] <Flannel> Hi n00b-helper, how can we help you?
[03:37] <n00b-helper> Not that it's a big deal or anything, but someone is using two handles to waste people's time
[03:37] <Flannel> Where and who?
[03:37] <n00b-helper> #ubuntu and i'ts ben_m and eimh
[03:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel, I asked n00b-helper here to find out what he wanted
[03:38] <n00b-helper> basically one is pretending to be a complete newbie while the "other" is pretending to have hacked him
[03:38] <n00b-helper> Hi jack!
[03:38] <Flannel> n00b-helper: I don't see eimh in #ubuntu currently, did he leave?
[03:38] <n00b-helper> it's nothing horrible, just kind of annoying when you're tryingto help
[03:38] <n00b-helper> he might have
[03:38] <Flannel> Ah, he did.
[03:38] <n00b-helper> i can paste the conversation if you want, but again, it's not a huge deal
[03:38] <n00b-helper> just kind of annoying lol
[03:39] <n00b-helper> but if they're gone, i guess it's problem solved
[03:39] <Flannel> I've got in the buffer.
[03:39] <n00b-helper> even better!
[03:39] <n00b-helper> lol
[03:41] <n00b-helper> anyway, i'm gonna head back to #ubuntu, unless I'm needed.  In any case, have a good evening, guys
[03:41] <Flannel> n00b-helper: thanks for your help
[03:41] <Flannel> I doubt they're the same people.  Although they're both in arch-ot, which has been known to troll in the past.
[03:42] <Flannel> I didn't see any interaction between the two though.
[03:42] <Flannel> just ben_m being an idiot.
[03:42] <Flannel> but he's left now too
[04:56] <Flannel> Sigh
[04:56] <Flannel> Is Oinkness trollingtoo?
[04:56]  * Pici sighs as well
[04:56] <nickrud> not sure, I think he' just enjoying attention. See how he plays out
[05:48] <masacre666> hola
[05:48] <masacre666> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:48] <nickrud> masacre666, hi, what's up?
[05:48] <masacre666> yo whats up
[05:49] <nickrud> masacre666, this is the 'fix problems with irc stuff' channel, you got something we can help with?
[05:49] <masacre666> i want a woma 
[05:50] <masacre666> who want
[05:50] <nickrud> masacre666, irc's a lousy place to be looking. If you don't have some ubuntu irc issue, please part
[05:51] <Tm_T> <3
[05:51] <Tm_T> nickrud: that person saved my day
[05:52] <nickrud> man, your day must not have needed much help :)
[05:52] <Tm_T> I mean, see his nick and what he wanted
[05:52] <nickrud> heh
[05:52] <Tm_T> I bet with that nick you will get much that kind of company
[05:52] <nickrud> went right over my head
[05:53] <nickrud> oh, I know clubs that would fit right in ;(
[05:53] <Tm_T> I too, but in #ubuntu channels ?
[05:53] <nickrud> ah, The Commitments, great movie
[05:54] <nickrud> the fight sceen, with the record producer getting his first impression of the band
[07:12] <Tm_T> xD
[07:12] <bazhang> fryguy?
[07:12] <Tm_T> real nice factoid that would be
[07:13] <nickrud> lol
[07:13] <nickrud> !beer
[07:13] <nickrud> I like that one too ;)
[07:13] <Tm_T> that should be fixed
[07:14] <Tm_T> or, more like, removed
[07:14] <nickrud> yep.
[07:14] <nickrud> sad, but true. Probably a holdover from the joke wars
[07:14] <bazhang> my fave was the !why
[07:14] <Tm_T> it could be like "beer is something we don't use here"
[07:15] <Tm_T> or something
[07:15] <nickrud> now now, no lies
[07:15] <nickrud> !why
[07:15] <bazhang> the bot said 'because...................satan'
[07:15] <nickrud> hahahahhahaa
[07:15] <Tm_T> nickrud: lies?
[07:15] <bazhang> days of ubotu
[07:15] <nickrud> 'beer is something we don't use here'
[07:15] <Tm_T> well I don't use
[07:16] <nickrud> neither do I, but I won't say we :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> if you use alcohol to poison yourself, you shouldn't be in irc IMO
[07:16] <Tm_T> and yes, I have done that too, shame
[07:16] <nickrud> me also. Actually had a bearing on my quitting
[07:37] <Tm_T> interesting crazyness going on in -ot
[07:38] <tritium> -ot is the definition of craziness
[07:39] <nickrud> oh baby
[07:39] <Tm_T> I notice
[07:39] <Tm_T> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=1
[07:41] <nickrud> earlier version of Ubuntu, Debian? rflol
[07:41] <nickrud> Tm_T, thanks for the link
[07:41] <tritium> Yeah, thanks, Tm_T.
[07:42] <Tm_T> np
[07:42] <Tm_T> interesting, isn't it
[07:47] <nickrud> pretty balanced article really.
[07:50] <nickrud> but that characterization of debian is going to cause some heads to steam rather madly
[07:51] <Tm_T> haha
[07:51] <Tm_T> is it false?
[07:51] <nickrud> earlier version implies dead or superseded, neither is true
[07:52] <Tm_T> nickrud: no it doesn't imply that IMO
[07:52] <nickrud> well I guarantee many are going to read it that way. No skin off my nose though
[07:52] <Tm_T> well it's their perception then
[08:13] <Tm_T> heh, I did print that article
[08:45] <stdin> it would read better if "earlier" was replaced with "another"
[08:45] <stdin> but reading it twice, I don't think it's a big issue
[08:54] <Tm_T> I saw nothing in it
[08:54] <Tm_T> it just says it has been founded earlier
[08:54] <Tm_T> or so I read
[08:57] <Tm_T> hmm, #u is getting offtopic?
[08:59] <stdin> could have been, but it seems quiet now
[10:44] <ziroday> Someone might want to talk to shepherd
[10:44] <ziroday> is in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic discussing his need for an ascii porn player or something
[10:53] <topyli> removed not banned from -ot, will observe if it comes back
[12:53] <Myrtti> börb
[12:55] <Myrtti> nalioth: I can msg UK with the same 0.069€ per message, IIRC same to US
[13:34] <topyli> Myrtti: i think our sms always costs the same, international or not
[13:34] <Myrtti> yup
[13:34] <Myrtti> have I mentioned lately I love the Finnish mobile operators?
[13:35] <Myrtti> I love the Finnish mobile operators
[13:35] <topyli> i do like saunalahti at least. the choice of geeks
[13:37] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, what about to australia?
[13:37] <topyli> i bet they have dedicated personnel for finding out the latest coolest things, then convincing their exects that "we SO have to offer that"
[13:37] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: prolly the same
[13:37] <topyli> execs even
[13:38] <Myrtti> topyli: atleast when the PR person of Elisa/Saunalahti was in the Summercode Finland jury last spring, he was so cool
[13:38] <Myrtti> gave Wellark some mobile phones and stuff to make MBCA
[13:38] <Myrtti> for loan, not to keep
[13:38] <Myrtti> but then didn't even bother to ask afterwards for return
[13:39] <Myrtti> I don't know if Wellark has returned them already
[13:39] <elkbuntu> hrmph. trying to install the array.org kernel onto the eee for kicks and giggles, and the restricted modules package is too old :(
[13:40] <topyli> elkbuntu: afaik the array.org kernel has the worse wifi driver. our linux-backports-modules has the latest ath5k, and array.org still ships madwifi
[13:40] <topyli> so, we have the better, more free thingy
[13:41] <topyli> Myrtti: ongoing testing is of great importance. he mustn't return them
[13:42] <elkbuntu> does the array.org kernel not offer anything else to warrant the downgrade there?
[13:43] <topyli> maybe better acpi scripts or something. do your hotkeys work? mine do, but that might be leftovers from my earlier array.org experiment
[13:43] <elkbuntu> topyli, hotkeys such as?
[13:43] <elkbuntu> oh, the fn things?
[13:43] <topyli> fn+volume for example yes
[13:43] <elkbuntu> the screen dims and un-dims
[13:44] <topyli> most importantly, the wifi toggle used to be broken
[13:44] <elkbuntu> wifi toggle still seems broken
[13:45] <topyli> works for me, i guess it got fixed when i installed array.org stuff. either that or i've fixed it and forgotten all about it
[13:45] <topyli> entirely possible too :)
[13:45] <elkbuntu> volume doesnt appear to be functioning either
[13:45] <elkbuntu> this could be why the projector didnt want to listen to me last month too
[13:46] <topyli> you can try the array.org kernel. it won't break anything and give you a chance to compare
[13:47] <elkbuntu> yeah, except i *cant* because the modules are out of date
[13:47] <topyli> oh yes, you said as much :(
[13:48] <elkbuntu> cest la vie with 3rd party stuff and all
[13:50] <Myrtti> I'm trying to install Ubuntu to my nephews new laptop
[13:50] <Myrtti> sadly the both the wubi and the desktop installation segfault quite early on in the process
[13:51] <Myrtti> I would have like to make a wubi installation so he could've uninstalled Ubuntu easily from Windows if he doesn't like it, but now that it doesn't work, I don't know what to do
[13:53] <jpds> Myrtti: Any useful debug in /var/log/installer?
[13:53] <Myrtti> if I could get my hands on it, probably yes.
[13:54] <Myrtti> I'm just procrastinating now, I should do the accounts of an association for years 2007 and 2008
[13:54] <Myrtti> and i really don't want to
[13:58] <jussi01> Myrtti: get to work!
[13:59] <Myrtti> but daddy, I don't wanna
[14:09] <topyli> elkbuntu: just for curiosity, do i have acpi stuff that you don't? http://pastebin.com/f542ad244
[14:10] <topyli> so we can know if my hotkey hotness comes from array.org
[14:42] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:43] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:43] <nalioth> thank you, Myrtti 
[15:44]  * Mez is now a DD :D
[15:47] <Seeker`> congratulations
[16:06] <nickrud> Mez, you want that list now, or later :)  Congratulations
[16:10] <Tm_T> DD ?
[16:11] <Tm_T> Mez: you got silicon manboobs?
[16:23] <nalioth> Doctor of Divinity?
[16:23] <nalioth> Destructive Device?
[16:23] <nalioth> Delbert Dekellan?
[16:29] <Mez> Tm_T: Debian Developer :D
[16:30] <Mez> nickrud: mail it to mez@debian.org (/me quickly adds you to his bounce list)
[16:32] <Tm_T> Mez: ah ok, good job, son
[16:39]  * Myrtti yawns
[16:49] <nickrud>  /me whines, again, about his brilliance at telling others what to do once again being unrecognized
[16:59]  * Myrtti grunts at kids complaining about Ubuntu EOL versions
[16:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: where?
[17:15] <Myrtti> I wonder where my bookkeeping 101 is
[17:49] <Tm_T> !nixternal ~=s/Vista/Windows7
[17:49] <Tm_T> bah
[17:49] <Tm_T> ubottu: login
[17:49] <Tm_T> @login
[17:50] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:50] <Tm_T> !nixternal ~=s/Vista/Windows7
[17:50] <Tm_T> !nixternal ~=s/Vista/Windows7/
[17:50] <Tm_T> happy now?
[17:50] <nixternal> no
[17:50] <Tm_T> did I fail?
[17:51] <Seeker`> !nixternal
[17:53] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[17:53] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[17:57] <Myrtti> fail
[17:57] <Tm_T> fail?
[17:57] <Mez> fail?
[17:57] <Myrtti> in reality, mIRC is a good irc client.
[17:57] <Myrtti> and yes, I'm failing, badly.
[17:58] <Myrtti> http://identi.ca/notice/1777266
[17:58] <Mez> Myrtti, was it you who said you'd found a way to get out of a broken SSH session?
[17:58] <Myrtti> #define broken
[17:59] <Mez> as in, say, for example, someone's shutdown the server, and you're "still connected"
[18:00] <Myrtti> nope, wasn't me
[18:12] <cprofitt> hello folks... anyone hear that can handle a cloak?
[18:12] <Tm_T> always somewhere
[18:13] <cprofitt> usually talk to PriceChild but he is not on currently...
[18:13]  * cprofitt whistles to the hunting dog
[18:17] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, dkey was quite polite in PM..  and he now understands that it was the store he bought the disk from that is  the problem.  Now that he knows it is free  he will dl a fresh version
[18:17] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, I suggest we pull the ban as he wont ask any more questions about a key
[18:18] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, kk. I pm'd him, but never got an answer.
[18:18] <Jack_Sparrow> HE was talking with me
[18:18] <Myrtti> cprofitt: cloak issues are in general handled in #ubuntu-irc as they are Ubuntu IRC council matters.
[18:18] <Jack_Sparrow> and quite polite and understanding once I explained things
[18:18] <nickrud> well, I am feeling really small ;(
[18:18] <cprofitt> Myrtti, yep... in that channel now... thanks
[18:18] <Myrtti> cprofitt: since you already are there, you can leave this channel
[18:18] <nickrud> sniff. mez bounces me, dkey ignores me, next thing I know the dog will turn his back :(
[18:19] <cprofitt> is this channel an off-limits channel?
[18:19] <Myrtti> nickrud: better that than they all humping your leg
[18:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrti.. did you hear something just now..
[18:19] <nickrud> Myrtti, heh
[18:19] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, take care, back to my football gamer
[18:19] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, you also
[18:20] <Myrtti> cprofitt: well, the cloaks are offtopic to this channel
[18:20] <cprofitt> Myrtti, no problem... just wanted to make sure that it was not an issue being in here...
[18:20] <Myrtti> cprofitt: actually, if you'd please read the topic...
[18:21] <cprofitt> thanks.
[18:21]  * cprofitt ciao
[18:49] <Myrtti> FYI: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article5489134.ece
[18:49] <Myrtti> "Everytime you do a Google search, a kitten dies. So please, think of the kittens"
[18:49] <Myrtti> no, wait.
[18:49] <Myrtti> :-P
[18:50] <Myrtti> "Performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle for a cup of tea, according to new research."
[18:50] <Myrtti> STOP MAKING TEA!
[18:50] <jpds> But we love tea.
[19:37] <ikonia> can a staff member please remove Tom_Welling
[19:38] <ikonia> oops
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[19:50] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #ubuntu oskude <oskude> so you say if i use ubuntu (the os) to kill little children its ok, but when i say WTF on the #ubuntu irc im a bad person ? (sorry, im just bored)
[19:52] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia, Got a sec for pm
[19:54] <oskude> it seems i got banned (by Jack_Sparrow) from #ubuntu without reason, could you unban ?
 so you say if i use ubuntu (the os) to kill little children its ok, but when i say WTF on the #ubuntu  irc im a bad person ? (sorry, im just bored)
[19:55] <Mez> I think that's the reason you got banned
[19:55] <oskude> that was not on #ubuntu, that was on private chat...
[19:56] <oskude> and the GPL doesnt disallow that...
[19:56]  * Mez head desks
[19:56] <oskude> yes, its a little harsh, but thats the deal!
[19:56] <Mez> !guidelines
[19:56] <oskude> repeat, that was not on #ubuntu
[19:56]  * Mez isnt dealing with this btw. Jack_Sparrow your call
[19:57] <oskude> i said WTF on #ubuntu, got kicked. rejoined #ubuntu, didn say a word on #ubuntu = ban. you call that ok ?
[19:57] <Jack_Sparrow> I had enough of this in PM... HE did not seem to want to listen.. <oskude> users of ubuntu or #ubuntu irc chat ? ;) i assume these are 100% american bans, where killing is still allowed but not human boobs or bad language...
[19:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Mez, I can paste more.. but not really necessary
[19:58] <oskude> Jack_Sparrow, still thats personal between you an what else, not the #ubuntu
[19:58] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle
[19:58] <oskude> so you say if an admin of #ubuntu has personal problem with someone, he/she is allowed to ban from #ubuntu ?
[20:00] <oskude> wasn kindergarten...
[20:00] <Jack_Sparrow> You were askin in channel to not use wtf..  you wanted to discuss policy in channel.. and you came back with wtf again and continued in PM..
[20:00] <Myrtti> the rules are we don't allow cursing in #ubuntu. that includes acronyms. those are the rules. if you can't live with that, then you're welcome to find another channel.
[20:01] <oskude> Jack_Sparrow, you mean WTF is ALSO not allowed on PMs with #ubuntu admins, i could say W**
[20:01] <Jack_Sparrow> W** is still not allowed as wel all know what you intend 
[20:01] <oskude> as i said WTF on #ubuntu, got kicked. rejoined #ubuntu, didn say a word on #ubuntu = ban. you call that ok ?
[20:02] <Jack_Sparrow> you said wtf and got warned.
[20:02] <oskude> yes
[20:02] <oskude> and then i didnt say a word on #ubuntu
[20:02] <oskude> and got banned, why ?
[20:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Obviously you dont want to listen to the rules of the channel
[20:03] <oskude> what rule did i break IN THAT CHANNEL to get banned ?
[20:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Trying to explain it to you in PM does not give you the right to be abusive
[20:03] <oskude> what does p
[20:03] <Myrtti> oskude: if you're bored, how about you find something else to do than picking fights you can't win, wait for couple of hours, do something productive and then come back?
[20:04] <oskude> what does PMs have to do with   #ubuntu ?
[20:04] <Jack_Sparrow> If it involves an op that is trying to discuss with you the reasons for not swearing.. everything
[20:05] <oskude> so #ubuntu is for people +1 years and you gotta watch out what you say ?
[20:05] <oskude> may i suggest the programm "kill" to someone ?
[20:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I gave you the benefit of the doubt by not banning you after you came back with wtf after the warning
[20:06] <Myrtti> oskude: yes, the channel is meant for everyone who uses Ubuntu. That includes 8 year olds.
[20:06] <Myrtti> and even younger.
[20:06] <Jack_Sparrow> You gave no impression that you intended to follow the rules and continued your abuse.
[20:06] <oskude> and what do YOU say instead of WTF ? cmon, were all humans!... wait, what was the ubuntu slogan again ?
[20:07] <oskude> Jack_Sparrow, i asked if your over 18, so i want ***** speak normally..
[20:07] <Myrtti> oskude: I personally don't curse on Ubuntu IRC channels or anything that's related to Ubuntu.
[20:07] <oskude> Myrtti, well, i now know why ;P
[20:08] <Myrtti> oskude: yes, I'm mature enough to know that cursing achieves nothing
[20:08] <Jack_Sparrow> There is no need to use profanity in a room  full of mixed ages in order to make your point..
[20:08] <oskude> why not ? whats so bad about cursing ?
[20:08] <oskude> i never got it
[20:08] <Myrtti> oskude: because we have people of different cultures and different ages
[20:08] <oskude> all says its cause of the children, but why ? in the end all freaking curse
[20:09] <Myrtti> oskude: there are ways of getting your message heard and understood without cursing
[20:09] <nickrud> oskude, generally it's because of lack of imagination or vocabulary
[20:09] <Myrtti> so, now that we're settled on "we do not curse on Ubuntu IRC channels" is there something else?
[20:09] <oskude> yeah, and "internet acronyms" shouldnt exists in the first place...
[20:09] <nickrud> oskude but you do realize now why we have zero tolerance for swearing in #ubuntu-* ?
[20:10] <oskude> nickrud, yes, we all like to be more than what we are, but fail miserably ...
[20:10] <nickrud> amen
[20:11] <Myrtti> that still doesn't mean that trying is futile and useless
[20:12] <nickrud> amen, sister :)
[20:13] <Myrtti> we all try to excel ourselves every day
[20:14]  * nickrud has to admit that only happens on his good days
[20:15] <oskude> hmm, i just asked on #debian if i get banned if i say WTF, no one even noticed me...
[20:15] <Jack_Sparrow> oskude, All we have asked is that you not use profanity or shorthand that can be interpreted as profanity..  And if you had not noticed.. this is not #Debian
[20:15] <oskude> so, lets recap, #ubuntu is for kids, and all the #ubuntu admins too ?
[20:16] <nickrud> oskude, offering a warm welcome to kids, yes. Sorta like an all age party.
[20:16] <oskude> could you please add some #ubuntu+18 channels and admins ? ;P
[20:16] <Myrtti> oskude: are you done trolling anytime soon?
[20:16] <Myrtti> because that's what you seem to be doing
[20:17] <Myrtti> I'm sorry if you're not in your opinion
[20:17] <oskude> Myrtti, you mean i should press my anger and maybe get come complex ?
[20:17] <oskude> *some
[20:18] <Myrtti> oskude: I mean have you figured out anything else to do to pass your time since you have been quoted to say you're bored
[20:18] <Myrtti> you've wasted a lot of our time and I find it boring and annoying
[20:18] <Myrtti> I hope you've gotten the kicks you've expected to get
[20:19] <Myrtti> no, there will not be #ubuntu+18 channel.
[20:19] <oskude> and what about my time ? all did was type WTF in a program ? and now that this is "YOUR" OS, why not just filter all those so ugly words from ever irc client ? 
[20:19] <Myrtti> yes, #ubuntu is for everyone, including muslim, female, transgender, preschooler etc.
[20:20] <Myrtti> yes, rude language will not be tolerated
[20:20] <Myrtti> and finally...
[20:20] <oskude> rude is SO relarive !
[20:20] <Myrtti> yes, you've wasted a lot of time, both ours and yours
[20:20] <Myrtti> so...
[20:20] <oskude> please give me the fill list of rude words so i can filter them! i dont wan to be rude again ...
[20:20] <oskude> *full
[20:21] <oskude> as you said, ubuntu is for all (but not for "rude" people") so please educate me!
[20:21]  * jussi01 huggles Myrtti
[20:21] <Jack_Sparrow> ty..  
[20:22] <Myrtti> am I too tartly and sarcastic?
[20:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti, Hope your fuzzy friends had a good new year
[20:22] <nickrud> Myrtti, not even close. 
[20:22] <nickrud> today, anyway. Must be a good day :)
[20:23] <Myrtti> [22:22] <oskude> and again i see that ubuntu is pressing down the FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
[20:23] <Myrtti> [22:22] <Myrtti> IRC is not a democracy
[20:23] <Myrtti> [22:23] <oskude> or dont say that #ubuntu takes admins that are under 18 years ?
[20:23] <Myrtti> *snigger*
[20:23] <nickrud> IRC is not a government 
[20:24] <Myrtti> [22:23] <oskude> so in IRC freedom of speech doesnt matter ?
[20:24] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[20:24]  * Myrtti headwalls
[20:25] <nickrud> Myrtti, I'm assuming he's american: point out that the first amendment speaks only to government, not private bodies
[20:25] <Myrtti> nickrud: german
[20:25] <nickrud> Myrtti, if you're not simply ignoring him.
[20:25] <Myrtti> I am as of now
[20:26] <Myrtti> I've got better things to do than to waste my time on him
[20:26] <nickrud> Myrtti, hm, I should look up the speech laws there, but since it allows laws against certain speech ...
[20:26] <Myrtti> like, painting my toenails pink
[20:27] <Jack_Sparrow> I paint Ms Sparrows toenails for her all the time
[20:28] <Myrtti> awwww
[20:28] <nickrud> how homey :)
[20:28] <Myrtti> that's true love, boys ♥ 
[20:30] <Jack_Sparrow> 30 years together has benefits
[20:30] <nickrud> Myrtti, you can throw article 5 section (2) of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany, expressly provides exemption for protection of young persons. (my final comment)
[20:31] <Myrtti> nickrud: bwahahah :-D
[20:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Good one
[20:36] <Flaw> How do all ubuntu locoteams get the 'same looking' site as ubuntu.com?
[20:36] <Flaw> Do they all share the source code?
[20:38] <Myrtti> they don't
[20:38] <Myrtti> loco teams are welcome to make their websites look pretty much as they wish, though respecting the trademarks and good common sense
[20:39] <Flaw> How does ubuntu.ru make their site look so similar (more than less exactly the same) as ubuntu.com?
[20:39] <Flaw> Something must be shared, surely?
[20:40] <jussi01> is this really the place for these questions? ;)
[20:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're welcome to come up with the right place, dear ;-)
[20:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: haha, gotcha :-P
[20:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're it, neener neener
[20:41] <Flaw> jussi01: Got a better place?
[20:41] <Flaw> It's probably all the same users (ubuntu members) anyway.
[20:41] <nickrud> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183 ?
[20:41] <jussi01> Myrtti: #canonical-sysadmins for ubuntu site stuff, and #ubuntu-ru for the loco?
[20:41] <Flannel> Flaw: #ubuntu-locoteams
[20:42] <Flaw> jussi01: #canonical-sysadmins there is no such channel. :)
[20:42] <Myrtti> nickrud: and that's only those that are on ubuntuforums
[20:42] <jpds> Flaw: s/s$//
[20:42] <Flannel> Flaw: Also, the loco contacts mailing list covered this recently
[20:42] <nickrud> yep. but -locoteams is better, I didn't find that one fast enough ;)
[20:42] <jpds> Flaw: Please note that they're out on weekends.
[20:42] <Flannel> er... I thought I remember reading about it
[20:42] <jussi01> jpds: was about to say same ;)
[20:42] <Myrtti> ours doesn't look a bit like ubuntu.com
[20:43] <nickrud> Myrtti, that' sounds flaw'ed
[20:43] <Myrtti> nickrud: you're such a horrible pun'dit
[20:44] <jpds> Myrtti: Yeah, but you lot have Mirv. \o/
[20:44] <jussi01> lol
[20:45] <Myrtti> mwahaha
[20:45] <Myrtti> jpds: true. I also have him personally, as he's my boss.
[20:45] <Myrtti> neener neener.
[20:45] <jpds> PS: For ubuntu.com website stuff - I think it's better to prod the users to #ubuntu-website.
[20:47] <jussi01> jpds: ahh, thanks
[20:47] <ikonia> oskude
[20:47] <ikonia> ??
[20:47] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: sorry, missed your pm, was away from desk
[20:47] <Myrtti> ikonia: where?
[20:48] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia, np handled
[20:48] <ikonia> Myrtti: sorry, I still had jack's pm open, didn't mean to paste that
[20:48] <Myrtti> oh.
[20:48] <Myrtti> ok.
[20:48]  * jussi01 waves to ikonia
[20:48]  * ikonia waves
[20:48] <jussi01> ikonia: pm ;)
[20:48] <Myrtti> less than a week, tadim tudum lalalala
[20:48] <Myrtti> wohoo
[20:48] <Myrtti> excuse me
[20:52] <Myrtti> my brain hurts
[20:54] <Myrtti> I think my brain has become allergic to ASUS-tek
[20:54] <Myrtti> it's the only explanation
[20:54] <ikonia> I don't see why he's not long term banned to be honest
[20:54] <ikonia> I know I've said that before
[20:57] <Myrtti> ikonia: funny, that's what I've been wondering too. There's a lot of people who complain about his behaviour that have the power to ban him, but haven't. Fortunately I have decided just before I started my IRC time off that I won't touch him with a ten foot pole.
[20:58] <Myrtti> but I'm just about to become too tartly and sarcastic again, and I think that's my cue to get away from IRC for tonight.
[20:58] <ikonia> okey dokey
[20:58] <ikonia> I'll stick my hat in the ring now publicly, I'd ban him, 
[20:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Wait, so Im the only one that had not hear of him before
[20:59] <Jack_Sparrow> heard
[20:59] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: I suppose ;)
[21:00] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: your so yesterday
[21:00] <Jack_Sparrow> GReat last to know.. again..
[21:00] <ikonia> you're
[21:00] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[23:10] <Seeker`> hmm, is My rtti coming to the UK soon?
[23:14] <Myrtti> on Friday
[23:14] <Mez> Myrtti: whereabouts in the UK ?
[23:14] <Flannel> Mez: the united parts
[23:14] <Myrtti> cambridgeshire
[23:15] <Mez> ooh, it's purdy round there :D
[23:15] <jussi01> Myrtti: for how long?
[23:15] <Myrtti> *might* end up visiting London and/or Littlehampton/Brighton area, but that's not sure yet
[23:15] <Myrtti> jussi01: two weeks \o/
[23:15] <Seeker`> cool
[23:15] <Seeker`> sounds fun
[23:16] <Mez> Myrtti: lucky you :D
[23:16] <Myrtti> Mez: I'm very, very aware how lucky :-P
[23:16] <Myrtti> \o/
[23:16] <Mez> Myrtti: :P indeed
[23:16] <Mez> hmm - I might be down in London next week
[23:17] <Seeker`> I live near london
[23:18] <nickrud> you europeans are so lucky - the only interesting cities within 1500 miles of me are San Francisco, Seattle and Mexico City ;(
[23:18] <Myrtti> even my plane tickets were paid for me, though I'd like to think it was more because of the credit card identification theft...
[23:19] <Flannel> nickrud: Eh?  You're the lucky one... you *live* in an interesting city.
[23:19] <Flannel> s/you're/we're/
[23:19] <nickrud> I've lived in them all, true. And LA is interesting, but heck, it'd be nice to be a few hour train ride from *somewhere else* :)
[23:20] <Flannel> Oh, you live in LA?  nevermind then.
[23:20] <nickrud> erm, not Mexico city
[23:20]  * Flannel thought you were down here with the rest of the cool kids.
[23:20] <Flannel> nickrud: You going to be at SCaLE then?
[23:20] <nickrud> San Diego :> been there, done that. That 72% year round temp got to me 
[23:20] <Flannel> s/be at/attend/
[23:20] <Myrtti> if someone thinks Finland is an intresting place and that there are intresting cities within 1500km's from here, they need their heads checked. Fortunately miles != kilometers.
[23:21] <nickrud> Flannel, yep. I work just around the corner. Intended to make last year's, but events interfered
[23:21] <Flannel> nickrud: Good, good.  You can check out our awesome booth ;)
[23:21] <jussi01> Myrtti: wrong. you need your head checked
[23:21] <Myrtti> jussi01: Stockholm. PFT.
[23:21] <nickrud> Gonna be doing key signings? It would finally be nice to have one that actually had value
[23:21] <Myrtti> Tallinn... pft.
[23:21] <jussi01> Myrtti: berlin, tallin, riga
[23:21] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Joensuu <3
[23:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: st petersburg
[23:22] <Myrtti> ok, St. Petersburg might be a bit more intresting
[23:22] <Myrtti> I give you that
[23:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: brussels, amsterdam
[23:22] <Myrtti> Berlin... well, Knut's all grown up already
[23:22]  * nickrud pines
[23:23] <jussi01> Myrtti: as much as you think its not true, rovaniemi
[23:23] <Flannel> nickrud: We could, sure.  Not officially, but I'll let everyone know to bring their stuff.  We also do keysignings at other things... although, I don't know if we'll have another event before then and now... except to do testing on the software we're writing for SCaLE
[23:23] <jussi01> Myrtti: I win. :)
[23:23] <Myrtti> jussi01: pft.
[23:24] <Mez> nickrud: come to UK, I can sign your key :D
[23:24]  * nickrud makes a note to, again, work out his key password
[23:24] <Flannel> nickrud: Heh.  I did that recentlyish.
[23:24] <nickrud> Mez, someday .... 
[23:24] <Mez> nickrud: there's always LRL
[23:25]  * jussi01 thinks a lot of cities are interesting, and you just have to dig a little deeper in some than others
[23:25] <Mez> Myrtti: Was birmingham interesting?
[23:26] <Myrtti> Mez: I didn't get to see it that much
[23:26] <Mez> true, you were there for what - 2/3 hours?
[23:26] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where have you been in the UK?
[23:26] <nickrud> time for sunday chores. You be nice to the trolls
[23:26] <Myrtti> something like that
[23:26] <Mez> and most of that was spent buying CDs :D
[23:27] <Myrtti> Seeker`: mainly Wolverhampton for LRL08
[23:27] <Mez> Seeker`: she's been to wolves (poor thing!)
[23:27] <Seeker`> awww
[23:27] <Myrtti> don't diss the place
[23:27] <Seeker`> Cambridge is nice for a vist
[23:27] <Seeker`> as is Bath
[23:27] <Mez> Myrtti: wolves is a craphole :D
[23:27] <Myrtti> I saw double decker buses and those funny english houses
[23:27] <Myrtti> and canals
[23:28]  * Mez chuckles at the memory of you being so excited :D
[23:28] <Mez> Myrtti: coming to LRL this year?
[23:28] <Myrtti> don't know yeet
[23:28] <Myrtti> -e
[23:28] <Myrtti> depends on where life decides to place me at that time
[23:28] <Mez> you should :D It'll be fun :D
[23:29] <Myrtti> I don't know if I'm going to FOSDEM either.
[23:29] <Myrtti> and that's less than a month away
[23:29]  * Mez will be bringing a few people with him (that dont really know much about open source but are interested)
[23:29] <Tm_T> Myrtti: atleast you have opportunity, I don't
[23:29]  * Mez would love to goto fosdem
[23:30] <Mez> oog
[23:30] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why are you nervous aobut your trip?
[23:30] <Tm_T> I still haven't been outside Finland except Kuopio
[23:30] <Mez> ooh, actually, might not goto LRL :D
[23:30]  * Mez might goto debconf
[23:30] <Myrtti> Seeker`: lots of reasons ;-)
[23:31] <Myrtti> anyway
[23:31]  * Myrtti wipes her eyes and goes to bed
[23:35]  * Mez should too