[04:59] <LaserJock> hmm, no RichEd
[11:23] <nubae> hey there RichEd
[11:24] <nubae> just a quickie... me and Laserjock were looking at the help and community pages of edubuntu.org, can we put u as the general education contact?
[11:24] <RichEd> hi nubae
[11:24] <RichEd> thanks for all the work you have  been doing on this ...
[11:24] <RichEd> and yes indeed you can ... ta
[11:26] <nubae> cool, the apps list for 8.04 and 8.10 is up there too, as well as a revamped frontpage corresponding to the split between ubuntu education cd and the rest
[11:35] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[11:41] <RichEd> excellent nubae ... hundreds
[11:41] <RichEd> hey highvoltage
[11:41]  * RichEd waves
[11:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: are you still out of the country?
[11:42] <RichEd> highvoltage: just back last week ...
[11:42] <highvoltage> RichEd: shew, you were gone long
[11:42] <nubae> highvoltage: u are listed at contact for community/web, that is still correct?
[11:42] <highvoltage> nubae: I was just thinking about that, btw the new front page is very nice
[11:43] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm fine if you change it to your details, if you want
[11:43] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm fine with making changes, etc when required. although pips1 has actually been responsible for the site for about 2 years now
[11:44] <highvoltage> (or at least was supposed to be)
[11:44] <nubae> it doesn't really affect what happens to the website, I guess its just a case of where emails go concerning community/web
[11:44] <nubae> do u get a lot?
[11:44] <highvoltage> about 1 every 2 months or so
[11:45] <highvoltage> usually a spelling correction or something simple
[11:45] <nubae> well, I dont mind so much, if u prefer not to get the mail, let me know and I'll change it to my details
[11:46] <highvoltage> I don't mind at all. Could I forward the mail to you if I'm real busy at the time and can't get to it?
[11:46] <nubae> sure thing
[11:46] <highvoltage> awesome.
[11:49] <nubae> RichEd: have u heard anything further from Sugarlabs?
[11:55] <RichEd> nubae: not since new year no ... i will touch sides with david soon ... will keep you in the loop
[13:50] <RichEd> nubae: http://www.edubuntu.org/applications/8.10 & 8.04 look very slick ... much impressed !
[13:51] <nubae> yah, we could do with more content, but not quite sure where to go from here...
[13:53] <RichEd> nubae: i'm working on some stuff ... will chat soon about sharing
[13:53] <nubae> oh cool...
[13:53] <RichEd> (about ubuntu as a solution across the whole education requirement - from data centre to classroom)
[13:54] <RichEd> nubae: do you also get large white/blank linespacing in the application lists page ?
[13:55] <nubae> just checking, in hardy.. yes
[13:55] <nubae> I'll try and fix that...
[13:55] <nubae> thanks for the heads up
[13:57] <RichEd> np ... presume it's a small style formatting wobbly
[13:57] <RichEd> otherwise ... it looks stonking ! very pretty & crisp
[13:58] <nubae> yeah, its due to copying and pasting from dreamweaver...
[14:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:11] <LaserJock> morning morning Edu Land!
[16:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: pingy pingy
[16:13] <RichEd> pongy pong
[16:13] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[16:13] <RichEd> sbalneav: :)
[16:14] <LaserJock> Scott!
[16:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: alright, I spend some time this weekend munging the seeds about
[16:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: I know have a new edubuntu-meta source package ready to upload that will give use ubuntu-edu-*
[16:15] <LaserJock> I have a question though
[16:15] <LaserJock> the removal of metapackage can be handled in two different ways
[16:16] <LaserJock> 1) if the metapackage is removed all the apps that it depends on are also removed
[16:16] <LaserJock> 2) if the metapackage is removed none of the apps that it depends on are removed
[16:16] <LaserJock> I'm thinking that we'd want to do 1)
[16:17] <LaserJock> since I think users will expect the "bundle" concept to be all or nothing
[16:18] <RichEd> mvo said that a package will look at whether or not an application was installed explicitly, rather than as a bundle
[16:18] <RichEd> the explicit installs will remain, the bundled ones will be removed
[16:18] <RichEd> dependencies will be removed iff no other application needs them
[16:18] <RichEd> ?
[16:19] <LaserJock> that would be 1)
[16:19] <LaserJock> I also have the ability to do 2) though so I wanted to ask
[16:19] <LaserJock> ubuntu-desktop is don't that way, for instance
[16:19] <LaserJock> if you remove ubuntu-desktop you don't wipe out your entire system ;-)
[16:20] <LaserJock> but I think for us we always want to use 1) because we're not installing/removing core functionality
[16:27] <RichEd> i'll defer to your choice :)
[16:35] <LaserJock> k
[16:35] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you see the new homepage on edubuntu.org?
[18:13] <LaserJock> oh nice, I got an explosion incident report :-)
[18:48] <HedgeMage> lol
[18:48] <HedgeMage> Do you explode things often?
[18:48] <LaserJock> no
[18:48] <LaserJock> last Spring semester though we had a grad student blow up a lab
[18:49] <LaserJock> so I guess just now the final report was given out
[18:49] <HedgeMage> lol
[18:49] <LaserJock> basic result: don't mix nitric acid with methanol
[18:51] <HedgeMage> heh
[18:52] <LaserJock> well, don't mix them and cap the container
[18:52] <LaserJock> ~40 min later you get a big boom
[18:52] <HedgeMage> glad it wasn't me.
[18:52] <HedgeMage> no one was hurt, I hope?
[18:52] <LaserJock> not too bad
[18:52] <LaserJock> there was a grad student there
[18:53] <LaserJock> but the hood doors took most of the blast
[18:53] <LaserJock> she just got what looked  like a good sun tan and a few minor cuts
[18:53]  * HedgeMage nods
[18:53] <LaserJock> the glass container completely disintegrated into glass dust, they never found any of it
[18:54] <HedgeMage> wow
[18:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:54] <LaserJock> didn't even find the cap
[18:54] <HedgeMage> My knowledge of chemistry, unfortunately, is pretty limited -- I can cook, and I can make baking soda volcanos to entertain my son, that's about it.
[18:55] <HedgeMage> Though in my defense, I've never accidentally blown anything up, either.
[18:55] <LaserJock> there you go
[19:02] <HedgeMage> :)
[19:03] <HedgeMage> I just got back from a business trip and am trying some amazing teas I picked up :)
[19:04] <LaserJock> nice
[19:06] <HedgeMage> very
[19:06] <Lns> HedgeMage: "amazing" meaning.. ? :)
[19:07] <HedgeMage> Lns: meaning interesting and higher quality than I can buy near my home.  I got an earl grey + white, a Rooibus + Chai + Mate, and a White + Bamboo + fruit -- all amazing, though I think the last one is becoming my favorite of the three.
[19:10] <Lns> wow, that sounds really good
[19:10] <Lns> i've been getting into green teas a lot lately
[19:10] <Lns> very nice alternative to coffee
[19:11] <Lns> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/269188 - nspr got fixed, for Jaunty! That means Firefox 3 will be usable in LTSP !
[19:12] <LaserJock> ohh?!
[19:12] <Lns> So Im going to work on getting an SRU for Hardy.
[19:13] <Lns> i'm waiting for someone in #ubuntu-testing to help me out with the process
[19:13] <Lns> After reading your blog post yet again, LaserJock =)
[19:14] <LaserJock> I need to reboot
[19:14] <LaserJock> gimme a minute and we can talk SRU ;-)
[19:14] <Lns> np =) thx!
[19:14] <HedgeMage> Lns: this place had a great selection of those, too, I just could only afford to try a few in one trip!
[19:15] <Lns> HedgeMage: that is awesome.. once i get a bigger office that i can put a coffee maker in (yeah, its that small!) im going to be drinking green tea daily
[19:17] <HedgeMage> Lns: there are also controlled hot water dispensers that you can set to the optimal temperature for the tea you are making at the time (whites, for example, are generally best steeped around 175F while many chais can be steeped at 208-220F)
[19:20] <sbalneav> Lns: For all the talk of that bug, I've had absolutely NO problems with firefox here, running hardy.
[19:20] <HedgeMage> hi, sbalneav
[19:21] <sbalneav> hey HedgeMage
[19:22] <Lns> sbalneav: How many simultaneous users were launching at the same time?
[19:22] <Lns> for my situation its when a class comes into the computer lab, logs in and launches FF ALL at the same time
[19:22] <Lns> so the server's entropy is exausted
[19:23] <Lns> But 1-2 people launching it at a time seems to work fine
[19:27] <LaserJock> hmm, seems my reboot won't be so easy, my other partition is toast :-)
[19:32] <Lns> yikes!
[19:34] <LaserJock> ah well, I guess I'll reinstall
[19:35] <Lns> what did you DO?? ;)
[19:35] <LaserJock> Lns: anyway, so you want to push for a SRU to Hardy/Intrepid for that Firefox thing?
[19:35] <LaserJock> Lns: updated jaunty
[19:36] <Lns> Yes please =)
[19:36] <Lns> Im reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates right now
[19:37] <Lns> Hopefully we can convince the powers that be that this is SRU material, and not just a backport.. ?
[19:38] <sbalneav> Lns: I've got 38 copies of it opened.
[19:39] <Lns> sbalneav: did they all launch FF at the same time (within 30 seconds of each other) ? That's where the entropy gets squashed pretty bad
[19:39] <alkisg> Does this also affect intrepid?
[19:40] <Lns> I want a dummy mouse/kb driver for the server that sends random input so that doesnt happen ;)
[19:40] <Lns> alkisg: not sure, all my sites are on hardy
[19:40] <Lns> i'd assume so though'
[19:41] <alkisg> I've seen it happening some times, and I think it was both previously in hardy and also now on Intrepid. I thought the checking for newer extensions versions was to blame, though... Good news.
[19:42] <Lns> could be - anything that uses /dev/random excessively (there were multiple fixes for FF "Places" mechanism that overused it, so they switched to urandom since it doesnt block requests if entropy runs out on the server
[19:43] <LaserJock> Lns: I would talk to fta about doing SRUs since he's the one that did the fix in Jaunty
[19:43] <Lns> Probably doesnt affect FF as a localapp
[19:44] <Lns> LaserJock: ok
[19:44] <LaserJock> it seems like something that would be SRUable
[19:44] <LaserJock> but it's probably better to have the Mozilla Team working on that they us
[19:44] <LaserJock> *then us
[19:45] <Lns> ok, im always in #ubuntu-mozillateam, im asking right now
[19:45] <LaserJock> I think Jaunty could be a pretty good release for Edubuntu
[19:45] <LaserJock> :-)
[19:48] <Lns> LaserJock: fta wants us to test the Jaunty fix before doing an SRU
[19:49] <LaserJock> Lns: I agree totally
[19:49] <Lns> I dont have any Jaunty setups anywhere, anybody here care to test it out that has more than 3 thin clients to launch FF at the same time (with new profiles) ?
[19:49] <LaserJock> it's not a straightforward bug
[19:49] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:49] <LaserJock> we really need to try to get a group of testers together
[19:49] <Lns> yes
[19:50] <Lns> i can post to the lists
[19:50] <LaserJock> it's a tough issue with LTSP as you need a whole other setup
[19:50] <LaserJock> well, hmm
[19:51] <LaserJock> I wonder if we can make virtual LTSP testing labs with vmware/virtualbox/kvm
[19:51] <Lns> That's what fta asked me if i had
[19:51] <Lns> but im running my own ltsp so it would conflict with that :(
[19:51] <Lns> fta there's also my ppa, you can just dl the nspr debs for hardy, they have the fix
[19:51] <Lns> (he just said that)
[19:52] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:52] <LaserJock> oh sweet, my TV converter boxes just showed up
[19:53] <LaserJock> my local ABC station went all digital today
[19:53] <Lns> lol, my tech and I were just talking about that 5 minutes ago
[19:53] <LaserJock> first in the state or something
[19:53] <Lns> wow
[19:53] <LaserJock> I just got a blinking message "if you can see this you need a converter"
[19:54] <Lns> lol
[19:54] <LaserJock> I'm curious if these things really work
[19:55] <LaserJock> I suppose I could go and buy a TV that *wasn't* made at least 15 years ago
[19:55] <LaserJock> but that'd just be too easy
[19:55] <Lns> or you could "kill your tv" ;)
[19:56] <LaserJock> yeah, well, there are a few shows I still like
[19:56]  * LaserJock missed 24 last night :(
[19:56] <Lns> ah
[19:56] <Lns> i used to watch that one a bit
[19:57] <Lns> (in #ubuntu-mozillateam) Lns fta: if I used the packages from your PPA on Hardy and tested, would that be enough for an SRU request?
[19:57] <Lns> fta yes
[19:57] <LaserJock> awesome
[19:58] <Lns> Hopefully upgrading nspr isnt going to pull hundreds of packages down
[20:00] <Lns> Im going to reboot myself and then upgrade, i'll bb in a bit
[20:09] <LaserJock> wow, this digital stuff is amazing
[20:43] <Lns> Ok, I've upgraded my own LTSP environment (nspr specifically) using fta's PPA. I'll try and write a simple procedure so others can do the same to test
[20:45] <Lns> "apt-get install" will upgrade a pkg if its available right, even if its already installed (but a lower version) ?
[20:46] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[20:46] <Lns> yep
[20:59] <Lns> Ok, here are the instructions to upgrade NSPR for hardy, if anyone spots any errors in the process please speak up: http://lns.wikidot.com/nsprupdate
[21:00] <Lns> (just updated right now if anyone's already clicked on it)
[21:52] <LaserJock> alright, I've just uploaded the new world order :-)