[01:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: indeed.  The only things i actually can do are those exposed through launchpad.  If and when they work.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh dear...
[01:21] <nixternal> :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: all you need to do is to sort your mail based on the headers - pull out the bits you want, and blackhole the rest.  works a charm.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: you around?
[03:55] <vorian> AMAROK HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!!
[03:56] <nhandler> vorian has conquered the wolf ;)
[03:56] <vorian> it did rip off my face though
[03:57] <LaserJock> ewww
[03:57] <nhandler> vorian: Do you have this week off too? Or do you go back to work now?
[03:57] <vorian> I have this week off too \o/
[03:57] <nhandler> You are lucky. I have final exams this week
[03:58] <vorian> oh boy, i am sooo glad i'm done with that stuff.
[03:58] <nhandler> Only good news is that I get a 4 day weekend
[03:58] <vorian> Thats great news!
[04:05] <ScottK> Now it's time to kill every amaork rdepend in the archive.  They're all broken.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:11] <ScottK> I'm actually busily patching out amarok support and such.
[04:40] <ScottK> Nightrose, apachelogger, anyone: Does pacpl work with Amarok 2/KDE4?  It claims to have been recently rewritten, but doesn't say.
[04:40] <ScottK> if someone could hunt this one down, I'm really not sure how broken it is.
[04:40] <ScottK> It may be a removal candidate.
[04:41]  * seele wonders if/when ScottK sleeps
[04:41] <seele> up late up early
[04:41] <ScottK> Come on, it's not even midnight yet.
[04:41] <nhandler> ScottK: What timezone are you in?
[04:41] <ScottK> -0500
[04:41] <ScottK> Same as seele.
[04:41] <ScottK> We actually live only about a 30 minute drive apart.
[04:42] <nhandler> I'm probably about that far from nixternal (give or take 15 minutes)
[04:42] <ScottK> nhandler: Any chance you could play with pacpl and see if it works with KDE4?
[04:43] <vorian> ScottK: pacpl looks only to be in jaunty
[04:43] <ScottK> Yes, and?
[04:43] <nhandler> ScottK: Not right now. I want to get the backports that I uploaded today building before I go to bed. Tomorrow, I'm doing the other backports. I could maybe try on Tuesday though
[04:43] <vorian> nothing...
[04:43] <ScottK> OK.  Tuesda would be great.
[04:43] <ScottK> y
[04:43] <ScottK> OK.
[04:44] <nhandler> I'll try and remember, but a reminder would be great ;)
[04:45] <ScottK> nhandler: Don't foret.
[04:45] <ScottK> forget even.
[04:46] <vorian> huh, that's odd
[04:47] <vorian> amarok built in my ppa with zero problems. now in the archives it says, Dependencey wait.
[04:47] <vorian> i wonder what the difference is
[04:48] <Hobbsee> what's it waiting on?
[04:48] <vorian> i'm looking now
[04:49]  * ScottK looks too
[04:49] <vorian> libmp4v2-dev
[04:53] <ScottK> vorian: That's in multiverse
[04:54] <ScottK> Since amarok is in Universe, it doesn't see it on the official buildds
[04:54] <ScottK> vorian: Whatever caused you to add that you need to make it go away.
[04:54] <vorian> it's just going to be missing a feature
[04:54] <ScottK> OK.  It'll have to be missed then.
[04:55] <vorian> roger that
[04:56] <vorian> and away
[05:00] <vorian> don't know how i missed that ...
[05:00]  * vorian is redfaced
[05:01] <ScottK> vorian: It's easy enough to do
[05:01] <vorian> that's why i sent it to my ppa
[05:02] <ScottK> Don't feel bad about mistakes, feel rotten about mistakes you leave for others to clean up.
[05:02] <vorian> good point :)
[05:02] <vorian> ppa's are evil
[05:02] <LaserJock> and even then, as long as you offer then $cold_beverage usually you can get away with it
[05:02] <LaserJock> *them
[05:02] <ScottK> And dangerous (still unsigned)
[05:03]  * ScottK doesn't count "talk someone into fixing it for you" as leaving it.
[05:03] <nhandler> ScottK: They are getting signed
[05:03] <ScottK> nhandler: Yes, but not yet (at least not any I use).
[05:03] <vorian> that still doesn't mean much to me
[05:03] <vorian> anyone can sign a package, it's the person who's signing it that counts
[05:04] <ScottK> vorian: Without the signature you have zero assurance the package you downloaded from the PPA is actually from there.
[05:04] <ScottK> Google Kaminsky and DNS cache poisoning and then read until you are scared.
[05:05] <ScottK> There is no actual fix for his attack short of DNSSEC.  All the fixing that's been done has just slowed it down.
[05:05] <vorian> hmm
[05:07] <LaserJock> seems like it's taken quite some time to get signed PPAs to roll out. the announcement was sent a while ago
[05:08] <ScottK> yep.
[05:08] <nhandler> LaserJock: Someone was saying earlier that they needed to get some new hardware
[05:08] <ScottK> I consider it par for the course for Launchpad and security design.
[05:09] <LaserJock> nhandler: right, but don't you figure that out *before* you announce it?
[05:10] <nhandler> LaserJock: I would have thought so. And then, just the other day, you get Microsoft who does something very similar
[05:11] <LaserJock> I wouldn't expect "well MS does it" to be a particularly persuasive argument, but I guess that is an interesting point
[05:12]  * nhandler doesn't think it was exceptable for either of them to make that mistake
[05:16] <LaserJock> considering it took almost 1.5 years to be "Fix Released" and it's still not actually released ...
[05:17] <nhandler> Is the bug really marked fix released?
[05:19] <LaserJock> yes
[05:19] <nhandler> lol
[05:19] <nhandler> Night everyone
[05:19] <LaserJock> since 18th of December
[05:23] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:24] <ScottK> Oooh.  My first post Amarok 2 removal ....
[05:24] <Hobbsee> oh?
[05:24]  * vorian is out too™ 
[05:24] <vorian> awesome, so far so good on arm
[05:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: moodbar
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:27] <ScottK> Or  Bug #316262 if you prefer.
[05:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: isn't that, ummm, wrong?
[05:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: there's moodbar plasmoid
[05:40] <ScottK> Tm_T: moodbar is for amarok 1.4.
[05:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: but, there's moodbar plasmoid
[05:40] <ScottK> The plasmoid must be built from another package.
[05:41] <Tm_T> right, it's in plasma playground
[05:41]  * vorian does not spy a moodbar plasmoid on his system and goes searching
[05:51] <Tm_T> vorian: you prolly don't have it unless you have svn build from playground/base/plasma
[05:52] <vorian> i was just grabbing it Tm_T :)
[05:52] <vorian> it looks perty
[05:52] <vorian> it would be great if someone could commit a COPYING file to that branch
[07:55] <\sh> Sput: thx a lot :) at the end of the month we will have a bigger party ,-)
[10:34] <jussi01> hrm, curious.... Im getting plasma crashes at startup as well as missing plasmoids (lancelot for one) when I try reinstall lancelot I get an error - did someone break something in the experirmental repo?
[10:34] <jussi01> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:34] <jussi01>   plasmoid-lancelot: Depends: libplasma2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:34] <jussi01> E: Broken packages
[10:47] <Riddell> we use libplasma3 these days in KDE 4.2
[10:49] <fabo> danimo: no, some glitches remain: the tab especially.
[10:49] <fabo> oups, some delay in the answer ;)
[10:50] <Riddell> fabo: did I see in your commit comments that qt 4.5 can't use kdesupport phonon?
[10:52] <fabo> Riddell: not me. I have written a comment on the changelog that pusling raised. It seems there's an issue, but I didn't reached this point yet to confirm ... or not.
[11:01] <jussi01> Riddell: ahh, so someone needs to update lancelot then. wheres JontheEchidna ?
[11:45] <Nightrose> ScottK: i don't even know what that is tbh
[11:58] <doc__> hi there
[11:58] <Riddell> buenas dias doc__
[12:01] <doc__> Riddell: buenos días :)
[12:02] <Riddell> oh well, nearly right
[12:24] <davmor2> Riddell: Ktranslate let you down ;)
[12:38] <nhandler> Anyone know what is going on with the PPA lpia buildd?
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: it's part of kdeplasma-addons in 4.2
[12:48] <Riddell> davmor2: how so?
[12:49] <davmor2> Riddell: just teasing
[12:49] <Riddell> ah :)
[12:57] <vorian> morning
[13:04] <nhandler> Off to school now
[13:05] <vorian> Learn well
[13:17] <ScottK> Nightrose: OK.  Thanks.  I guess I'll spend some time to see if Google knows.
[13:30]  * Sput continues to work on predefined server lists for quassel
[13:30] <ScottK> Excellent.
[13:31] <Sput> using presets already works, now I need to hack in the default stuff :)
[13:31] <ScottK> Sput: If there's some patch I can try out to produce debugging info for that minimize problem, just let me know.
[13:31] <Sput> ScottK: sure
[13:31] <Sput> I'll tackle that in a few days I think, once I'm done with the other stuff I have on my table
[13:32] <ScottK> OK.
[13:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: The C10shell pbuilder hook is worth it's weight in gold.  I've wanted pbuilder to do that since years.
[13:49] <ScottK> Thank you very much.
[13:53]  * Nightrose wonders how much such a pbuilder hook weights and if apachelogger could make a living with them
[13:53] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:53] <vorian> meh, you killed my C10nanoshell :(
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: he merged it with the C10shell
[13:54] <vorian> i just noticed
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> export EDITOR=nano in pbuilderrc, I think
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> and bleh, openoffice without openoffice.org-kde looks like fried armpit
[13:55] <Nightrose> *lol*
[13:55] <vorian> hehe
[13:55] <Nightrose> argh @ JontheEchidna for flooding my inbox once again
[13:55] <Nightrose> do i owe you cookies?
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> sure? :P
[13:55] <Nightrose> :P
[13:55] <Nightrose> ~order cookies for JontheEchidna
[13:55]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[13:56]  * JontheEchidna has only done 23 bugs so far
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> >:}
[13:56] <Nightrose> oO
[13:56] <Nightrose> well tbh you are not the only one
[13:56] <vorian> dude
[13:56] <Nightrose> a kde guy has been doing it as well tonight
[13:56] <Nightrose> inbox -> esplode
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:57] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls
[13:58] <vorian> spammer
[13:58] <ScottK> nixternal: It's Alpha 3 release notes time (you said to ping you).
[13:58] <ScottK> nixternal: Item one is Amarok 2 in the archive, but not yet on the CD.
[14:06] <emonkey-t> nvidia-proprietary still doesn't support xorg 1.6 ABI (if I'm not wrong, I think ubuntu will have this in the issues too ...)
[14:06] <emonkey-t> ^^ (just my 2 cents for the release notes )
[14:18] <colomar> seele: Hi, anything new from the kpackagekit-front?
[14:30] <seele> colomar: i havent heard anything yet
[14:37] <agony_> hi
[14:37] <agony_> anybody running amarok 2 in jaunty ?
[14:39] <Riddell> yes
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Once everything that's pending gets processed, all the Amarok 1 rdepends/recommeds/suggests are dealt with.
[14:47] <cbr> so.. today my pidgin wont connect to msn
[14:47] <cbr> meh..
[14:48] <cbr> and kopete still doesnt have msn support in jaunty
[14:48] <cbr> ownage :)
[14:48] <cbr> webmessenger @ msn's site works though
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm one upload away from time to make a decision on kdebindings for KDE3.
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: My proposal was to remove kita2 and dump bindings for KDE3.  apachelogger wants to keep them as long as they 'work' for 3rd party stuff.
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Up to you.
[14:49] <ScottK> If we go apachelogger's way, we'd make it kde3bindings.
[14:51] <siekacz> hi
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: kita?
[14:52] <ScottK> It's a japanese IM client not in Debian.
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/kita/
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I already warned the guy that packaged it a month ago it might have to go away.
[14:54] <Riddell> how about moving kdebindings to universe?
[14:54] <Riddell> or what's the rationale for removing it again?  just one less hassle?
[14:54] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Move it to Universe as kde3bindings?
[14:55] <ScottK> One less hassle.
[14:56] <ScottK> The more KDE3 stuff that dies the sooner the better.
[14:57] <siekacz> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vNKxmokgKjU/SWpEpMVef5I/AAAAAAAAAek/UPEeLVNZHBA/s1600-h/zrzut-styczen-10.png - kde 4.2.60 :)
[14:57] <Riddell> I think universe would be my preference
[14:57] <siekacz> very nice
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[14:57] <Riddell> ScottK: shall I do that?
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Let me upload it as kd3bindings first.
[14:58] <siekacz> sorry
[14:58] <ScottK> Then the next kde4bindings upload can be kdebindings.
[14:58] <ScottK> One less diff from Debian.
[14:58] <Riddell> right
[14:58] <ScottK> kd3/kde3
[15:01] <Nightrose> hey folks :)   a user got this with jaunty packages: amarok:      [ERROR!] Tried to perform query on uninitialized MySQLe
[15:01] <Nightrose> could it be that the amarok package is using the wrong mysql?
[15:01] <Nightrose> he gets no collection because of this
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah, me too
[15:07]  * JontheEchidna afk for a bit
[15:08] <nixternal> ScottK: can they be done tonight by chance?
[15:08] <nixternal> releasw notes that is? if you have points, throw them on a wiki page and link me to them
[15:09] <ScottK> nixternal: Absolutely.  Need them by Wed.
[15:09] <nixternal> groovy
[15:09] <nixternal> I will work on that stuff tonight then
[15:10] <Nightrose> vorian: poke
[15:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: poke
[15:14] <vorian> Nightrose: ouch
[15:14] <Nightrose> heh
[15:14] <Nightrose> you packaged it right?
[15:14] <Nightrose> can you have a look?
[15:14] <vorian> yes mam!
[15:14] <Nightrose> thx :)
[15:14] <Riddell> I don't get that messages but I do have an empty collection
[15:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: amarok -d
[15:15] <vorian> what's the problem
[15:15] <Nightrose> probably build against the wrong mysql
[15:16] <vorian> ok, let me get the build-deps
[15:16] <Riddell> mm, now I get  amarok:      [ERROR!] Tried to perform query on uninitialized MySQLe
[15:16] <nixternal> oh give me the beat boys and free my soul, i wanna get lost in your rock and roll, and drift away!
[15:16] <nixternal> I woke up to that song this morning...it is such an eye opener, I am ready to work now!
[15:17] <vorian> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103942/
[15:17] <Nightrose> nixternal: haha morning then - ScottK poked you about release notes in case you havn't seen it
[15:17] <Nightrose> vorian: checking
[15:18] <ScottK> apachelogger and Riddell: I'd suggest go ahead and change kde4bindings to kdebindings.  I'm test building my kde3bindings right now.
[15:18] <Nightrose> vorian: yea - have a look at the intrepid package - it should have a custom mysql package
[15:19] <Nightrose> asuming the stock mysql package wasn't fixed in jaunty
[15:19] <ScottK> Nightrose: We need to figure out how to make the official mysql package work for amarok too for Jaunty.  Can't have two.
[15:19] <Nightrose> *nod*   Aides really is the guy to talk to about that
[15:19] <Nightrose> he did all the mysql vodoo for us
[15:19]  * ScottK looks over at vorian.
[15:20]  * vorian nods to scott
[15:20] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:20] <vorian> since 5.1 is in the universe and all
[15:56] <Riddell> vorian: if I install mysql-server-5.1 and libmysqlclient-dev my collection works
[15:56] <Riddell> so it needs something installed which isn't, data files or the like
[15:57] <vorian> hmm
[16:02] <ScottK> Riddell: My kde3bindings is still test building and I need to run off for a meeting, so I'll upload it tonight.
[16:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: did you see my issue before?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> plasmoid-lancelot is no longer a separate package
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> it's included in kdeplasma-addons
[16:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ahh... that makes sense then
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> yup :)
[16:14] <vorian> Riddell: do you have to install libmysqlclient-dev to get it working, or will mysql-server work?
[16:20] <Riddell> let me see
[16:21] <Riddell> just needs mysql-server-5.1 vorian
[16:21] <vorian> Riddell: that's an easy fix then
[16:21] <Riddell> if you look in the PPA there's a package with the data files it needs
[16:21] <vorian> yet another kubuntu-debian difference
[16:21] <Riddell> but depending on mysql-server-5.1 would be the quick fix
[16:21] <vorian> yup
[16:22] <vorian> i wonder what kind of feedback debian is getting
[16:39] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: I am around now :)
[16:41] <apachelogger> ScottK, Nightrose: so what is pacpl?
[16:43] <briseight> Hi! digikam from http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu  has problems. It fails to load pluings and exit. Any suggestion?
[16:43] <apachelogger> there is a party going on
[16:44] <apachelogger> what the heck is digikam-experimental?
[16:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that mysqle error appears when one tries to be smart and not installes the deps of amarok-kde4
[16:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ;-)
[16:45] <Nightrose> and havn't checked what that pacpl thingy is
[16:46] <vorian> neversfelde: please see bug 316288
[16:48] <vorian> Nightrose, Riddell, fix commited
[16:48] <Nightrose> vorian: gracias :)
[16:48] <apachelogger> vorian: shouldn't you see that bug?
[16:49] <apachelogger> considering he already dropped a diff.gz and all :P
[16:49] <vorian> well, that was for 3, there is now a 3.1 :)
[16:49] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[16:50] <vorian> i suppose i could sponsor this upload, and neversfelde can update from there
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you ok if I upload 4.1.4 all at once?
[16:50]  * apachelogger thinks Riddell has to accept it piece by piece anyway
[16:51] <apachelogger> vorian: well, in any case make sure you commit the changes to $branch and prepare $backport ;-)
[16:51] <vorian> yup yup
[16:51] <apachelogger> or let neversfelde do it ... delegation > work
[16:51] <vorian> heh
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's fine
[16:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: how is that related to Amarok?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[16:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seems to have an extension for amarok
[16:53] <Nightrose> whatever that means
[16:53] <Nightrose> at least the intro says so
[16:53] <apachelogger> hm
[16:53] <Nightrose> never heard of it before though
[16:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/images/pac_amarok.jpg
[16:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: in that case.. if it doesn't work with amarok2 it is due to pacpl being close-to-unmaintained and not having noticed that amarok got a new scripting interface half a year ago :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> *shrug*
[16:55]  * apachelogger will sure be glad when he'll not be the only one to review a complete release
[16:56] <apachelogger> all of .4 is signed by me :S
[16:56] <\sh> apachelogger: you are the hero :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> \sh: and I am scared of what would happen if I screwed something up ;-)
[16:57] <Lure> briseight: what plugins? kipi-plugins?
[16:58] <Lure> apachelogger: digikam-experimental are beta packages of kde4's digikam/kipi-plugins for Intrepid
[16:58] <briseight> Lure: Marble
[16:58] <apachelogger> Lure: that should be in kubuntu-experimental really
[16:58] <\sh> apachelogger: well, then you have more time to practice karaoke ,-)
[16:58] <Lure> briseight: do you have marble-data installed?
[16:58] <apachelogger> \sh: haha, true :D
[16:58] <briseight> I can paste the log
[16:59] <briseight> I compiled from svn
[16:59] <Lure> briseight: what is from svn and what from digikam-experimental?
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: all 4.1.4 packages uploaded, I recommend you check that all 20 arrived though :)
[17:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[17:00] <Lure> apachelogger: 4.1.4? that sounds so last-year... ;-)
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got time to test a new approach to wotm?
[17:01] <briseight> Lure: I've installed 0.10.0~beta8-0ubuntu1~intrepid~ppa1
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[17:01] <briseight> and also tried to compile
[17:01] <briseight> but both have the same problem
[17:01] <apachelogger> Lure: yah, that is about what I said when scott mentioned that debian already uploaded it ;-)
[17:02] <Lure> briseight: can you check if you have marble-data package installed?
[17:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uploading
[17:02] <Lure> briseight: this is known issue with kde 4.2/beta packages (should be fixed for rc by JontheEchidna ;-))
[17:03] <apachelogger> Lure: if I applied the right packaging :P
[17:03] <briseight> Lure: I'm checking now
[17:03]  * apachelogger was getting real confused from all the mails in his inbox
[17:03] <Lure> apachelogger: ;-)
[17:03]  * Lure is waiting for rc packages to switch from kde-from-svn
[17:04]  * apachelogger is wondering if he should switch at all
[17:04] <apachelogger> you people could work on jaunty while I focus my efforts on annoying upstream for 4.3 :P
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-wotm_8.12_all.deb
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you will have to login though
[17:05] <briseight> Lure: I have libmarble but not murble
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:06] <apachelogger> there is now an xsession file that sets KDEDIRS
[17:06] <Lure> briseight: you do not need marble (standalone app), but you need marble-data to prevent crash
[17:06] <briseight> Lure: ok I'm installing also marble-data
[17:07]  * Lure updated digikam-experimental description 
[17:07] <briseight> Lure: it takes too long on my slow connection :( Ill try it tonight. Thx
[17:09] <briseight> Lure: I'm complaing about the oddity of the error message
[17:09] <briseight> "initrd.img"  -  "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic"
[17:09] <briseight> Plugin Failure:  "initrd.img"  is not a valid Marble Plugin:
[17:10] <briseight> etc...
[17:10] <Riddell> briseight: do you have marble-data installed?
[17:11] <Lure> briseight: that confirms it is marble-data issue
[17:13] <Nightrose> argh @ whiners crying about closed amarok 1 bugs
[17:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did something break? Oo
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> nah
[17:16] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: *hug*
[17:16] <Nightrose> @ crybabies
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> konversation just doesn't autostart for some reason :/
[17:16] <apachelogger> stupid kde software, never works
[17:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, do you have nu wallpaper?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: success, although my pager is now 1 row instead of two
[17:17] <apachelogger> hm
[17:17] <apachelogger> interesting
[17:17] <apachelogger> very much so
[17:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have usual kubuntu-default-settings stuff?
[17:18]  * apachelogger is wondering what would cause the pager to go one-rowish
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> nope, everything else is as I left it
[17:19] <apachelogger> no clue
[17:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sounds unrelated though
[17:19] <apachelogger> the plasma-appletsrc only locks the wallpaper image
[17:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you find out why pager changed please poke me, thanks for testing
[17:22]  * JontheEchidna isn't too concerned
[17:22] <apachelogger> now we just need someone to select the images and deploy the package ;-)
[17:23] <jussi01> is the nepomuk/crystal search plasmoid packaged smewhere yet? (ie. this one: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=904 )
[17:23] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I think I got pacpl patched into submission.
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: nope
[17:25] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: feel like being nice to me? ;)
[17:25] <astromme_> Is anyone else using Amarok2.0.1 from the jaunty packages? I get no collection with it.
[17:25] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I did KDE 3.5.10 packaged, reviewed, and uploaded essentially all by myself.  KDE4 with Cmake is easy.
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: it'd pretty much be unusably slow since we don't have the sesame2 nepomuk backend
[17:26] <ScottK-palm> So my sympathy is limited.
[17:26] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: oh. ok. :/
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> which we can't distribute since the software distributes binary blobs
[17:26] <astromme_> I was previously using Neon on jaunty which correctly scanned and produced a collection. I removed the neon packages, installed the jaunty, cleared out the configuration (.kde/share/conf/amarok* and .kde/share/apps/amarok) and hit scan.
[17:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: doing it yourself is quite different from reviewing though
[17:27] <astromme_> JontheEchidna: Do you know if the binary blobs issue is going to be cleared up somtime? Or is it more likely that a second c++ based backend will be created?
[17:27] <ScottK-palm> Yes.  More painful.
[17:27] <apachelogger> vorian: now that was a quick release ;-)
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> astromme_: no clue :-(
[17:28] <ScottK-palm> If I never type make -f debian/rules build-prep again, it will be too soon.
[17:28] <vorian> apachelogger: hmm?
[17:28] <vorian> I noticed my inbox asplode :)
[17:28] <apachelogger> vorian: choqok
[17:28] <apachelogger> +1
[17:29] <apachelogger> +2 actually
[17:29] <apachelogger> I have 20 extra mails about the .4 upload
[17:29] <vorian> haha
[17:29] <apachelogger> and then I will get 20 more for it failing on some arch
[17:29] <vorian> it didn't seem like i did that many at the time
[17:29] <vorian> right
[17:30] <ScottK-palm> Was it only 20?
[17:30] <vorian> the build farm is bogged down too
[17:31] <vorian> for 4.1.4
[17:32] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: it's always only 20 packages
[17:32] <apachelogger> well
[17:32] <ScottK-palm> I think quassel is going to solve our IRC client problem.
[17:33] <apachelogger> for backport/proposed anways
[17:33]  * apachelogger gets ~60 mails for l10n uploads :D
[17:33] <ScottK-palm> Anyone know how k3b kde4 is looking?
[17:33] <apachelogger> and someone will have to save me from drowning if thei FTBFS ;-)
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: we won't know until someone tests it
[17:34] <apachelogger> which no one did AFAIK
[17:34] <ScottK-palm> That and the NM plasmoid we really need.
[17:36] <apachelogger> anyone wanna blog a bit?
[17:36] <vorian> about what apachelogger
[17:36] <ScottK-palm> What about?
[17:37] <ScottK-palm> I think I can do that in my phone.
[17:37] <apachelogger> I need some people to maintain kubuntu wallpaper of the month
[17:38] <apachelogger> i.e. select a good wallpaper and deploy the package
[17:38] <apachelogger> not much work, just need to have a couple of people with good taste so it doesn't depend on one lonesome ghost  ;-)
[17:39] <seele> apachelogger: make a plasmoid and make it update automagically every month!
[17:39] <apachelogger> too much work :P
[17:40] <ScottK-palm> Sounds like a job for nixternal.
[17:40] <ScottK-palm> Like docs, but even less wor.
[17:40] <apachelogger> nixternal could test k3b :P
[17:40] <apachelogger> and help develop the NM plasmoid
[17:41]  * nixternal is dealing with stupid vendors who do not QC their damn hardware worth a crap and now he has a total of 7 machines that can't provide their statistics correctly via SNMP
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: IMHO such small things are a good chance to get new people in
[17:41] <ScottK-palm> Sure thing.
[17:41]  * nixternal also has other things that need to get done first (ie. archive re-organization stuff) :/
[17:42]  * nixternal goes back to dealing with stupid vendors
[17:42]  * ScottK-palm wonders if nixternal doing stuff would count as new.
[17:42] <ScottK-palm> :-)
[17:42] <apachelogger> :D
[17:42] <nixternal> no, it would count as a miracle that I am even doing stuff
[17:42] <nixternal> :)
[17:42]  * apachelogger hands poor nixternal a cookie
[17:43] <nixternal> num num num
[17:43] <nixternal> *burp*
[17:43] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:43] <nixternal> thanks for the cookie..I am starving
[17:43] <apachelogger> no cookies for you anymore
[17:43] <apachelogger> I haz nu wallpaper
[17:43] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:43] <apachelogger> <3 wotm
[17:43] <apachelogger> <3 weird acronyms
[17:44] <apachelogger> that wp looks like crap \o/
[17:44] <apachelogger> <3 when other people decide
[17:44] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I think someone who's also on planet.kde.org should blog that.
[17:45] <apachelogger> vorian, neversfelde: are you backporting nu choqok already?
[17:45]  * ScottK-palm considers seele.
[17:45] <vorian> apachelogger: two shakes
[17:45]  * apachelogger is on planet kde, but too lazy to blog :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> there was a time I tired to blog once every day
[17:45] <apachelogger> long long ago ;-)
[17:46]  * ScottK-palm did that for about a week.
[17:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, are we pushing .96 before or after the next kubuntu alpha?
[17:47]  * apachelogger is wondering if the beta2 l10n is imported into rosetta yet
[17:47]  * ScottK-palm votes for before.
[17:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: let's do it now
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, please upload kdelibs, I'll follow with kdepimlibs
[17:48] <ScottK-palm> \o/
[17:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: is that the kdepimlibs with the patch I added?
[17:48] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde2.png
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[17:48] <ScottK-palm> Please make kde4bindings kdebindings
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, you pushed a broken version to bzr :P
[17:49] <Riddell> I did?
[17:49] <Riddell> what was broken with it?
[17:49]  * ScottK-palm will conveniently be offline for several hours.
[17:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't look into it, I just replaced it with the ppa version ... I think the .installs were not updated
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: if something breaks in bindings I will redirect all blame to you :P
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> Changing the source package name ought to be easy enough even nixternal could do it.
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> k-)
[17:51]  * apachelogger had to do openoffice uno hacking today
[17:51] <apachelogger> I am quite mind warped
[17:51] <apachelogger> but! I managed to finish that project
[17:51] <apachelogger> no more uno for me
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> Ouch
[17:52]  * ScottK-palm vanishes
[17:52]  * ScottK-palm quit
[17:52] <apachelogger> well, only rbot uno :D
[17:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: whatever were you doing?
[17:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: binding openoffice to our CRM software
[17:54] <apachelogger> we will probably migrate from ms office
[17:55] <Riddell> kde4libs uploaded
[17:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: "our"?
[17:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: our = the company I am part of ;-)
[18:00] <Riddell> you have a job?
[18:01] <Riddell> koffice2 built, I'll backport it to intrepid
[18:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, not even I can live on love alone :) ... doing sysadmin and minor software development at a local tax/business/bankruptcy/other-weird-economic-stuff consultant
[18:05] <apachelogger> in february I am starting work in a retirement home though
[18:05] <Riddell> I fell like I should have known that
[18:05] <Riddell> retirement?  got bored of working already? :)
[18:06] <Nightrose> *lol*
[18:06] <Nightrose> Riddell: don't feel to bad about it - he didn't tell me either
[18:06] <Nightrose> *sob*
[18:06] <Nightrose> (but i knew it anyway...=
[18:08] <jussi01> hrm, we got any backporters hanging around? Ive got one we'd love to have done soonish if possible.
[18:08] <apachelogger> work is like sleep, completely unnecessary and only invented to keep me from doing more sensible stuff ... like break kubuntu ;-)
[18:08] <jussi01> bug 299287
[18:08] <jussi01> its already to go, just needs a backport team member
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK, NCommander, jpds ^
[18:14] <jussi01> could someone try open this page in konq, and see if it crashes? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/books/ubuntu_applications/konqueror
[18:14] <jussi01> Im using the b2 packages from experimental
[18:14]  * Nightrose tries
[18:14] <apachelogger> just keeps on loading
[18:15] <apachelogger> and loading
[18:15] <LaserJock> what's the difference between the ~kubuntu-experimental and ~kubuntu-memebers-kde4 PPAs?
[18:15] <apachelogger> ....
[18:15] <Nightrose> jussi01: looks ok here
[18:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: -experimental is for pre-stable/experimental packages
[18:15] <Nightrose> also beta 2
[18:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: -members-kde4 is considered stable
[18:15] <jussi01> apachelogger: Nightrose sorry, forgot to mention I it was while I had the view mode set to webkitkde
[18:16] <jussi01> (didnt realise till I checked
[18:16] <apachelogger> LaserJock: basically like $series-backports, just that stuff usually gets built faster in the PPA ;-)
[18:16] <LaserJock> apachelogger: should they in general contain the same software?
[18:16] <Nightrose> jussi01: hmm i only have webkit
[18:16] <Nightrose> eh
[18:16] <Nightrose> khtml
[18:17] <jussi01> Nightrose: you get webkit by installing webkitkde package
[18:17] <LaserJock> I'm just reading vorian's amarok blog post and i noticed I don't have a new amarok :-)
[18:17] <apachelogger> LaserJock: well, they both contain KDE software ;-)
[18:17] <Nightrose> jussi01: don't really have time now to install and test that - sorry
[18:17] <jussi01> Nightrose: thanks anyway
[18:18] <LaserJock> but I have k-e and not kubuntu-members-kde4
[18:18] <apachelogger> LaserJock: amarok 2.0.1.1 is a stable version so it would only be in -members-kde4
[18:18] <LaserJock> gotcha
[18:18] <jussi01> apachelogger: which -dbg package do I need to get som deven symbols from konq?
[18:18] <apachelogger> LaserJock: if for example amarok was already releasing preview versions of 2.1 those would be available via -experimental
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: the crasp probably happens in webkit or webkitkde
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: we don't have dbg packages for the latter I think
[18:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah, likely
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: also it wouldn't make much sense, webkit in Qt 4.5 is quite different from what we have
[18:19] <apachelogger> same applies for webkitkde
[18:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: oh.
[18:20]  * jussi01 goes away...
[18:20] <apachelogger> jussi01: do you know some nice people who could maintain a kubuntu wallpaper of the month package?
[18:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: whats involved?
[18:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: browsing kde-look regularily, choosing a very fine wallpaper every month and running a couple of scripts to deploy the packages
[18:22] <jussi01> apachelogger: I could do it, but Im not overly arty...
[18:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: I'd like to have a group of people anyway
[18:23] <jussi01> although some of the studio guys might be interested, though they are mostly gnome people
[18:23] <apachelogger> jussi01: you should convert them then :P
[18:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: Ill ask them anyway, they generally are happy to help with stuff
[18:23] <apachelogger> okies
[18:24] <jussi01> (if you like)
[18:24] <jussi01> :)
[18:24] <apachelogger> sure.... I'd like to become wotm to be a cultural movement anyway :D
[18:24] <apachelogger> like youtube
[18:24] <apachelogger> just wallpaperish
[18:24] <jussi01> hehe, yeah
[18:24] <jussi01> well Ill let you know
[18:25] <apachelogger> kthx
[18:25] <apachelogger> now, here is the bummer question ... how to deploy wotm?
[18:25] <apachelogger> own ppa? existing ppa? no ppa?
[18:25] <apachelogger> air mail?
[18:26] <jussi01> own ppa IMHO
[18:26] <apachelogger> yeah, I think the same, but I am slowly drowning in ppas :P
[18:26] <jussi01> snail mail... with the source printed out so they have to type it themselves :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[18:26] <apachelogger> now that would be geeky
[18:26] <apachelogger> that said
[18:27] <apachelogger> we need an application to create real life wallpaper from a wallpaper
[18:27] <apachelogger> "I printed that whole room" :D
[18:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: are you thinking blue curl on your walls?
[18:27] <jussi01> :D
[18:27] <apachelogger> no
[18:27] <apachelogger> air
[18:27] <jussi01> hehe
[18:28] <jussi01> would make a nice feature wall
[18:28] <apachelogger> and you wouldn't have to open the window to get fresh air :P
[18:28] <apachelogger> just print a new row ^_^
[18:28] <jussi01> hehe
[18:28] <jussi01> anyway, Im off for a bit
[18:28]  * apachelogger hands jussi01 a cookie
[18:28] <jussi01> laters
[18:28] <apachelogger> *wave*
[18:28] <jussi01> :)
[18:29]  * Sput steals apachelogger's cookie jar
[18:29] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear!!!
[18:30]  * apachelogger gets his laser screwdriver
[18:30] <apachelogger> no one steals my pony cookies!
[18:30]  * apachelogger throws the laser screwdriver at Sput and shouts "scoooby doooo"
[18:31]  * Sput ducks
[18:32] <apachelogger> We are the swedish borg! Resistance is futile!
[18:32]  * apachelogger assimilates Sput into a duck
[18:32]  * Sput turns himself into a nice chinese dish
[18:32] <apachelogger> gross
[18:32] <Sput> klein!
[18:32]  * apachelogger takes his cookie jar and hides in the bunker
[18:33]  * Sput pulls out his WZ 2100 Bunker Buster
[18:34] <vorian> LaserJock: i amended by post for intrepid users.  Thanks for pointing that out :)
[18:34] <apachelogger> Sput: no one ever busted the kubuntu bunker, ask the vorian
[18:35] <vorian> tru dat
[18:35] <apachelogger> he locked it down like fort nox
[18:35] <apachelogger> just better
[18:35] <Sput> uh oh
[18:35]  * Sput doesn't like cookies anyway
[18:35] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:35] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:35] <apachelogger> Sput--
[18:36] <Sput> they're a security risk!
[18:36] <apachelogger> why do you think am I giving them away for free? :P
[18:37] <apachelogger> vorian, neversfelde: if I understood the choqok dude correctly, then he appears to be pretty surprised of the 0.3.1 deployment speed ... good job I'd say :)
[18:38] <vorian> yes, nice work neversfelde
[18:50]  * Lure is building k3b-svn to try it
[18:50] <apachelogger> Lure++
[18:57] <LaserJock> so does this firefox-qt package work?
[18:57] <vorian> erm
[18:58] <Tm_T> LaserJock: isn't it Arora these days?
[18:59] <LaserJock> Tm_T: I have no idea about it at all, I just see a firefox-qt package in a PPA. There isn't really a description of what it is
[18:59] <Tm_T> LaserJock: see arora-browser.org
[18:59] <apachelogger> Tm_T: no it is not
[19:00] <apachelogger> LaserJock: no it is not either
[19:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ah, I thought firefox-qt project kinda evolved to what we know now as Arora
[19:00] <Tm_T> oh well
[19:01] <apachelogger> firefox-qt was an attemt to make firefox use Qt, started by nokia as part of their effort to make their embedded stuff use Qt(Embeded)-only now that they pretty much own Qt, but since their main motivation was not to have the complete firefox gui use Qt the project pretty much stopped progressing AFAIK
[19:02] <LaserJock> I see
[19:02] <apachelogger> arora on the other hand is a browser using Qt's WebKit trying to be a easy to use cross-platform browser similar to Firefox, with the differen that it uses Qt and WebKit, other than that it is indeed very similar to Firefox
[19:02] <vorian> Riddell: choqok is ready to go (its in k-u-t)
[19:03] <apachelogger> has some limitations with Qt 4.4's Webkit though (like no support for flash/or other nsplugins)
[19:03] <apachelogger> which will pretty much disappear with Qt 4.5 (which also comes with HTMLv5 support AFAIK ;-)
[19:04] <apachelogger> that said, firefox-qt is not recommendable, arora is, especially since it got better support for google applications than konqueror
[19:04] <Lure> btw, do we have qt4.5 test packages somewhere (like -experimental)?
[19:04] <apachelogger> Lure: Tm_T was working on it, but hit a problem, I didn't came round to look at it though
[19:05] <LaserJock> apachelogger: so why is it in the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA? You told me that was the good stuff ;p
[19:05] <apachelogger> LaserJock: firefox-qt is in -experimental if I am not mistaken
[19:06] <apachelogger> oh cold tea \o/
[19:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I'll have to look
[19:06]  * apachelogger should be writing less and drinking more
[19:09] <apachelogger> anyone using jaunty?
[19:09]  * vorian is
[19:11]  * JontheEchidna is
[19:11]  * Lure does
[19:12] <apachelogger> I assume it is kinda usable then?
[19:12] <Lure> apachelogger: sure
[19:12] <apachelogger> +is any of you using vbox?
[19:12] <vorian> nope
[19:12] <Lure> apachelogger: I normally switch soon after repos are open and do clean install with alpha 4 or 5
[19:12]  * Lure does not like stable system ;-)
[19:13]  * Lure was booting manually from BusyBox for a week after recent LVM breakage ;-)
[19:13]  * apachelogger uses KDE trunk until stable KDE arrives in $developmentseries
[19:13] <Lure> apachelogger: oh yes, and I use KDE from SVN currently
[19:13] <apachelogger> KDE 4.3 \o/
[19:14]  * apachelogger now installs vbox in a vbox :P
[19:14] <Lure> uh, k3b installed - now what to burn...
[19:14]  * apachelogger needs to make sure it works before he can install jaunty
[19:15] <Lure> no need to worry, k3b does not list any device... :-(
[19:15] <apachelogger> lol
[19:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I seem to stick with trunk until, uhm, trunk becomes KDE5 and breaks
[19:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you should use 4.2 and polish it up for jaunty :P
[19:16] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but it has no fun features!
[19:16] <apachelogger> like that matters
[19:16] <Tm_T> for my personal use it does
[19:16]  * Sput needs his daily trunk fix
[19:17] <Lure> apachelogger: actually, just Device menu is empty
[19:17]  * Lure is erasing CD-RW
[19:17] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I prefer to find bugs and get them fixed before distros got 'em anyway
[19:17]  * Lure is woken up by the trumpet ;-)
[19:18] <apachelogger> Tm_T: good thing as well
[19:18] <vorian> Sput: just a suggestion if possible, make the default port for freenode 8001
[19:18] <apachelogger> Lure: once I almost fainted because the trumpet was so loud :P
[19:18] <Sput> vorian: hmmm, with our new networks.ini that should be possible easily
[19:18] <vorian> excellent
[19:19] <apachelogger> lol
[19:19] <vorian> saves unwary users of a nasty router exploit
[19:19] <apachelogger> my vbox in the vbox just made vbox crash
[19:19]  * Lure found some sysrescuecd.iso
[19:19] <apachelogger> hm
[19:19] <apachelogger> well, vbox started, that is good enough for me
[19:20] <vorian> haha
[19:20] <smarter> the trumpet is back? cool :p
[19:20] <apachelogger> TrumpetOfDoom
[19:21] <Lure> apachelogger: I forgot that trumpet plays, did not burn CD/DVD for ages...
[19:22] <smarter> Lure: it has been removed by default in the latest k3b for kde3 releases
[19:23] <Riddell> vorian: so just backport what's in jaunty?
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: it needs changes due to the quilt stuff
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am uploading kdepimlibs because I am going to install jaunty now, feel free to retry once kdelibs is done
[19:24]  * apachelogger hopes he will be able to boot :D
[19:24] <vorian> Riddell: there are changes
[19:24] <Lure> anybody with kde3 k3b?
[19:24] <Lure> what should be in Devices menu?
[19:24] <Riddell> vorian: so copy from kubuntu-updates-testing to intrepid-backports?
[19:25] <vorian> Riddell: let me check
[19:25]  * JontheEchidna checks with his k3b-kde3
[19:25] <vorian> Riddell: actually no, there were newer versions of libs in k-u-t
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Lure: mount/unmount controls for the CD drive
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> as well as info about the media in the drive
[19:26]  * apachelogger reboots for jaunty install
[19:26] <vorian> Riddell: i'll get a build in a clean ppa
[19:27] <Lure> JontheEchidna: thanks - that is missing in kde4-svn version
[19:27] <Lure> JontheEchidna: info about media is actually shown in main window
[19:27] <Riddell> vorian: you can just upload to intrepid-backports
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> Lure: actually it's a menu action to show the media info pane I think
[19:28] <vorian> Riddell: yep
[19:28] <vorian> ok
[19:28]  * smarter tries to motivate himself to write a mail to the plasma ml about porting Kvkbd to Plasma
[19:30] <Lure> no good: simple data CD write returns some strange error and some defunct processes are hanging around
[19:30] <Lure> will go back to simplier test - iso image burn
[19:33]  * jussi01 sighs an prods apachelogger
[19:35] <Lure> apachelogger, Riddell: k3b is not ready for packaging :-(
[19:35] <Riddell> Lure: the KDE 4 version?
[19:36] <Lure> copy medium -> crash, create data medium -> strange error + hang
[19:36] <Lure> Riddell: kde-from-svn
[19:36] <Riddell> thanks for testing it Lure
[19:36] <Lure> it looks good and it may be that only minor changes are needed
[19:36] <Lure> I see it uses K3Process and I recall some problems with this
[19:36] <Riddell> that and networkmanager makes out KDE 4 only plans problematic
[19:37] <Riddell> our
[19:37] <Riddell> openoffice too
[19:37] <Lure> since most of k3b work is executing other commands, it may be the root cause
[19:37] <Riddell> 19:34 < pinotree> pusling: [20:20:18] <dfaure> kde packagers: please apply r910155 (i.e. http://www.davidfaure.fr/kde/bug-179921.diff) to your 4.1.4 packages
[19:37] <Lure> networkmanager does not look that far (plasma applet)
[19:37] <Lure> works for me (tm) ;-)
[19:37] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna ^^
[19:37] <Riddell> Lure: wasn't making any connection for me earlier today
[19:38] <Lure> Riddell: just UI is strnage sometime and no WPA-Enterprise (can use at work)
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> I wasn't able to actually configure anything
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> something fiddly with permissions or something
[19:39] <Lure> JontheEchidna: strange, just started to work for me 1-2 weeks ago
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> the configuration dialog is completely greyed out
[19:40] <smarter> Lure: doe k3b development appears to be active?
[19:40] <smarter> *does
[19:41] <Tm_T> smarter: hibernate mode
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> smarter: not really
[19:41] <Tm_T> smarter: some bugfixes in last weeks, but that's all
[20:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded kdebase-runtime and kde4bindings, are you uploading the rest
[20:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: and 4.1.4?
[21:11] <quassel84> hm
[21:11] <quassel84> quassel it is
[21:11] <Tm_T> is not
[21:11] <quassel84> *switching to irssi*
[21:13] <apachelogger_> man that looks geeky
[21:13]  * Nightrose wonders who quassel84 is
[21:13] <apachelogger_> must be me
[21:13] <apachelogger_> or was
[21:13] <Nightrose> hah
[21:14]  * apachelogger_ is xterming for .kde cleanup
[21:17] <apachelogger_> hum, that looks like I used every KDE app there is -.-
[21:20] <apachelogger_> haha, I still had apps/kicker lying around :D
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.1.4 is already up completely
[21:33] <wonderful> test
[21:33] <apachelogger> retest
[21:34] <wonderful> this is a nice client
[21:34] <apachelogger> <3 quassel
[21:34] <apachelogger> smarter: talking too much again? Oo
[21:37] <vorian> [v]:
[21:37] <apachelogger> wah
[21:37] <apachelogger> plasma exploded
[21:37] <vorian> [v]:
[21:37] <apachelogger> vorian: did you make it crash?
[21:38] <vorian> nope
[21:38] <apachelogger> phew :)
[21:38] <jpds> apachelogger: All those staffer addons.
[21:38] <vorian> i don't think it would work for me
[21:41] <smarter> apachelogger: was?
[21:41] <apachelogger> exactly
[21:41] <jussi01> jpds: ping?
[21:42]  * vorian smacks apachelogger 
[21:42] <jpds> jussi01: Pong.
[21:42] <smarter> anyway, off for the night
[21:42] <smarter> bye
[21:42] <jussi01> jpds: can you look at abackport for me?
[21:42] <vorian> -workspace had 14 changes, you made one of them silly
[21:42] <jussi01> jpds: bug 299287
[21:42] <vorian> them, silly
[21:42] <apachelogger> vorian: hm?
[21:42] <apachelogger> silly?
[21:43] <vorian> no, i was calling you silly
[21:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son, you are
[21:43] <apachelogger> vorian: don't get it
[21:43] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I wonder where I got that from
[21:43] <vorian> there were 15 changes in -workspace, one of them you made
[21:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: me too, but I don't let it bother me
[21:44] <apachelogger> Tm_T: wise choice
[21:44] <jpds> jussi01: Looks OK for intrepid.
[21:44] <apachelogger> vorian: I shouldn't have made that change?
[21:44] <vorian> na, it needed to be made
[21:44] <jussi01> jpds: yes it does, you are on the backports team, no? can you get it happening?
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> amarok is almost down to 75 bugs
[21:45] <apachelogger> vorian: so what is the problem with it?
[21:45]  * apachelogger is not really fast today
[21:47] <jpds> jussi01: It's done.
[21:47] <jussi01> jpds: excellent :) thank you
[21:50] <jussi01> jpds: so when will you know about the hardy backport?
[21:52] <jpds> jussi01: I'm not sure if I can upload directly to -backports pockets (for source changed backports) - I think I'm only supposed to do it on emergencies.
[21:52] <apachelogger> wah
[21:52] <apachelogger> silly me upgraded while .96 is being built
[21:52] <apachelogger> that explains the plasma crash though :D
[21:53] <vorian> ohmy
[21:53] <jussi01> jpds: ok, we would _really_ like to have it asap - its important to studio users, so if you can follow up on it it would be fantastic
[21:53] <apachelogger> <3 yakuake
[21:55] <neversfelde> apachelogger, vorian: do I have to do anything more for updating choqok?
[21:55] <vorian> neversfelde: nope! you did awesome
[21:55] <apachelogger> hm
[21:55] <neversfelde> :)
[21:55] <apachelogger> looking pretty is always a good idea though
[21:55] <neversfelde> was not as difficult as I thougt
[21:56] <apachelogger> you never know if someone pays you a visit ;-)
[21:56] <jussi01> ok, nini all
[21:56] <vorian> what in the world are you talking about?
[21:58] <jpds> jussi01: Hmm, lots of stuff to do: http://tinyurl.com/a5dpjx
[21:58] <apachelogger> vorian: UNO
[21:58] <apachelogger> ~uno
[21:58] <apachelogger> stupid bot -.-
[21:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does insanity still have uno?
[21:59] <vorian> haha
[21:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dunno - might be missing since the move to jeffs server
[22:00] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:00] <apachelogger> who is up for a round of uno?
[22:00] <Tm_T> teeworlds?
[22:01] <vorian> sure
[22:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you gotta play uno with us
[22:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still wibbly
[22:02] <Nightrose> sorry
[22:02] <Nightrose> can't play
[22:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, I think playing uno would be perfect to stop that wobbly Nightrose effect :P
[22:03] <Nightrose> *lol*
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna can play uno
[22:10] <apachelogger> bleh
[22:10] <apachelogger> lost focus
[22:10] <apachelogger> anyway, shouldn't we like use oxygen for that language selector thing?
[22:10]  * nhandler might actually be able to start on the bindings backport soon
[22:11]  * JontheEchidna thought he whined about language-selector-qt's icon a while back :P
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> work > whining
[22:11] <apachelogger> core devs don't whine, they break things
[22:13] <apachelogger> bug #164316
[22:13] <apachelogger> argh
[22:14] <apachelogger> mvo is the lost
[22:15] <apachelogger> but it seems like the gnome thingy uses the icon shipped with gnome now
[22:15] <apachelogger> so we should switch to oxygen and the language selector icon should be dropped completely
[22:17] <apachelogger> bah, that same bug applies to the Qt interface :P
[22:17] <apachelogger> but vice versa
[22:17] <apachelogger> we get the globe in the menu and the UN flag in the app :)
[22:19] <apachelogger> also, shouldn't we like port that thing to KDE?
[22:25] <apachelogger> funnies, it is KDE but no one bothered to change the name ^_^
[22:39] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1/+build/834937/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kde4libs_4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:39] <vorian> more uploads apachelogger?
[22:40] <apachelogger> they broke kdelibs again, looks doublish again
[22:40] <apachelogger> vorian: .96
[22:40] <NCommander> apachelogger, ****
[22:40] <NCommander> I still haven't even gotten the last round of patches to flow upstream
[22:40]  * apachelogger doesn't even wanna look at his inbox
[22:41]  * apachelogger blames sebas
[22:41] <vorian> apachelogger: did you upload the rest?
[22:41] <apachelogger> sebas: NCommander didn't get a free armel device and still cares whether KDE builds
[22:41] <apachelogger> vorian: yes
[22:41] <apachelogger> all up now
[22:42] <sebas> apachelogger: what did I do wrong? :/
[22:43] <apachelogger> sebas: not you, KDE, do you have suggestions how we can push NCommander's compile patches in? ... bug reports don't seem to work very well
[22:43] <sebas> Post them to the relevant lists?
[22:43] <apachelogger> point
[22:43] <sebas> Possibly kde-devel
[22:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: did you do that yet? :P
[22:43] <NCommander> my inbox is already flooded enough to the point that its impraticial for me to subscribe to all of them
[22:43] <sebas> For plasma, you can just commit if it's the usual qreal vs double crap
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, that's most of it across the board
[22:44] <NCommander> bindings still broken because pyqt4 still hasn't merged my patches
[22:44] <sebas> Just post to kde-devel and threaten to commit them :)
[22:44] <apachelogger> <3 threats
[22:44] <vorian> sweeet
[22:44] <NCommander> but I don't have commit access ...
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, does KDE have some sorta autobuild farm?
[22:44] <sebas> We actually do care about portability ...
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, its not KDE thats really all that broken
[22:44] <apachelogger> yah sure :P
[22:44] <sebas> NCommander: Ow, then send them and ask someone to commit
[22:44] <NCommander> Qt's design is absolutely braindead
[22:45] <sebas> That might not get 100% in, but a good part
[22:45] <NCommander> (in this respect)
[22:45] <NCommander> sebas, a good part is in
[22:45] <Lure> NCommander: I can break KDE SVN for you ;-)
[22:45] <NCommander> kdegraphics went in
[22:45] <NCommander> half of kdelibs
[22:45] <NCommander> half of kdebindings
[22:45]  * Lure sent digikam/armel fix for review
[22:45] <NCommander> kdebluetooth is already extremely broken
[22:45] <apachelogger> ~google dirkboard
[22:45] <kubotu> Results for dirkboard: 1. ZOIG.COM - dirkboard: http://www.zoig.com/profile/dirkboard | 2. ZOIG.COM - dirkboard's amateur videos: http://www.zoig.com/profile/dirkboard-videos | 3. nl.html: http://milvetstravel.net/nl.html
[22:45] <NCommander> I didn't bother with the ARM fixs there
[22:45] <apachelogger> stupid google :P
[22:45] <NCommander> ~google stupid google
[22:45] <kubotu> Results for stupid google: 1. Is Google Making Us Stupid? - The Atlantic (July/August 2008): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google | 2. Google is stupid!: http://www.ozzu.com/google-forum/google-stupid-t25174.html | 3. Porn, Sex, Wedding Rings, and Stupid Google Tricks: http://savethehumans.com/culturebashing/outbursts/porn_sex_google/index.shtml
[22:46] <NCommander> O_o on #3
[22:46] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://developer.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard/
[22:46] <apachelogger> only i386
[22:46] <NCommander> I *might* be able to contribute some automagic build love for KDE4
[22:47]  * apachelogger is wondering what automagic build love is :P
[22:47] <NCommander> if ARM portability is a 4.2 release goal.
[22:47] <sebas> Not particularly a goal, but everyone agrees that we want things to work on ARM
[22:47] <apachelogger> you just don't do anything for it :P
[22:48] <sebas> But not everybody knows about portability caveats
[22:48] <sebas> Well, the people who care do (Martijn, Ade, others, ...)
[22:48] <apachelogger> sebas: I guess NCommander could send a mail about that
[22:48] <apachelogger> it's mostly the same issues anyway
[22:48] <sebas> That would be cool, it's definitely not a 'political' thing, more that people don't know, aren't aware etc
[22:49]  * apachelogger suspected something like this
[22:52] <apachelogger> sebas: btw, if nokia starts throwing cells (which aren't actually cells because they can't do calling) again, it would be cool if you could catch one for me ... I'd like to work on a kubuntu-mobile/-mid image once plasma-mid is usable :)
[22:53] <sebas> I'm not aware of anything like this planned atm, but sure :)
[22:53] <sebas> So don't hold your breath for it.
[22:53] <sebas> I could lend you my n180 maybe
[22:54] <sebas> But yeah ... first plasma-mid :)
[22:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[22:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 316559
[22:56] <apachelogger> btw, my 4.2 beta2 almost looks translated ... it appears rosetta imported the strings after all ;-)
[23:07] <nellery> am I correct in saying that a build-depends on quilt is not necessary with kde4.mk in cdbs?
[23:07] <nhandler> nellery: I do not believe it is necessary in jaunty, but it is needed for backports iir apachelogger's email correctly
[23:08] <Riddell> yes
[23:08] <nellery> so if a package is only in Jaunty, is it better to leave it, or remove it?
[23:09] <Riddell> if you're doing an upload anyway then you can remove it
[23:10] <nellery> Riddell: alright thanks
[23:10] <apachelogger> nellery: as Riddell says, unless you want to backport $package to intrepid, in which case I recommend to leave the quilt dep, otherwise a autobackport becomes impossible
[23:44] <nhandler> vorian: amarok runs nicely
[23:54] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ah ha.  found you.