[01:08] ScottK: indeed. The only things i actually can do are those exposed through launchpad. If and when they work. [01:08] nixternal: oh dear... [01:21] :) [01:39] ScottK: all you need to do is to sort your mail based on the headers - pull out the bits you want, and blackhole the rest. works a charm. [01:40] apachelogger: you around? [03:55] AMAROK HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!! [03:56] vorian has conquered the wolf ;) [03:56] it did rip off my face though [03:57] ewww [03:57] vorian: Do you have this week off too? Or do you go back to work now? [03:57] I have this week off too \o/ [03:57] You are lucky. I have final exams this week [03:58] oh boy, i am sooo glad i'm done with that stuff. [03:58] Only good news is that I get a 4 day weekend [03:58] Thats great news! [04:05] Now it's time to kill every amaork rdepend in the archive. They're all broken. [04:06] hah [04:11] I'm actually busily patching out amarok support and such. [04:40] Nightrose, apachelogger, anyone: Does pacpl work with Amarok 2/KDE4? It claims to have been recently rewritten, but doesn't say. [04:40] if someone could hunt this one down, I'm really not sure how broken it is. [04:40] It may be a removal candidate. [04:41] * seele wonders if/when ScottK sleeps [04:41] up late up early [04:41] Come on, it's not even midnight yet. [04:41] ScottK: What timezone are you in? [04:41] -0500 [04:41] Same as seele. [04:41] We actually live only about a 30 minute drive apart. [04:42] I'm probably about that far from nixternal (give or take 15 minutes) [04:42] nhandler: Any chance you could play with pacpl and see if it works with KDE4? [04:43] ScottK: pacpl looks only to be in jaunty [04:43] Yes, and? [04:43] ScottK: Not right now. I want to get the backports that I uploaded today building before I go to bed. Tomorrow, I'm doing the other backports. I could maybe try on Tuesday though [04:43] nothing... [04:43] OK. Tuesda would be great. [04:43] y [04:43] OK. [04:44] I'll try and remember, but a reminder would be great ;) [04:45] nhandler: Don't foret. [04:45] forget even. [04:46] huh, that's odd [04:47] amarok built in my ppa with zero problems. now in the archives it says, Dependencey wait. [04:47] i wonder what the difference is [04:48] what's it waiting on? [04:48] i'm looking now [04:49] * ScottK looks too [04:49] libmp4v2-dev [04:53] vorian: That's in multiverse [04:54] Since amarok is in Universe, it doesn't see it on the official buildds [04:54] vorian: Whatever caused you to add that you need to make it go away. [04:54] it's just going to be missing a feature [04:54] OK. It'll have to be missed then. [04:55] roger that [04:56] and away [05:00] don't know how i missed that ... [05:00] * vorian is redfaced [05:01] vorian: It's easy enough to do [05:01] that's why i sent it to my ppa [05:02] Don't feel bad about mistakes, feel rotten about mistakes you leave for others to clean up. [05:02] good point :) [05:02] ppa's are evil [05:02] and even then, as long as you offer then $cold_beverage usually you can get away with it [05:02] *them [05:02] And dangerous (still unsigned) [05:03] * ScottK doesn't count "talk someone into fixing it for you" as leaving it. [05:03] ScottK: They are getting signed [05:03] nhandler: Yes, but not yet (at least not any I use). [05:03] that still doesn't mean much to me [05:03] anyone can sign a package, it's the person who's signing it that counts [05:04] vorian: Without the signature you have zero assurance the package you downloaded from the PPA is actually from there. [05:04] Google Kaminsky and DNS cache poisoning and then read until you are scared. [05:05] There is no actual fix for his attack short of DNSSEC. All the fixing that's been done has just slowed it down. [05:05] hmm [05:07] seems like it's taken quite some time to get signed PPAs to roll out. the announcement was sent a while ago [05:08] yep. [05:08] LaserJock: Someone was saying earlier that they needed to get some new hardware [05:08] I consider it par for the course for Launchpad and security design. [05:09] nhandler: right, but don't you figure that out *before* you announce it? [05:10] LaserJock: I would have thought so. And then, just the other day, you get Microsoft who does something very similar [05:11] I wouldn't expect "well MS does it" to be a particularly persuasive argument, but I guess that is an interesting point [05:12] * nhandler doesn't think it was exceptable for either of them to make that mistake [05:16] considering it took almost 1.5 years to be "Fix Released" and it's still not actually released ... [05:17] Is the bug really marked fix released? [05:19] yes [05:19] lol [05:19] Night everyone [05:19] since 18th of December [05:23] Good night. [05:24] Oooh. My first post Amarok 2 removal .... [05:24] oh? [05:24] * vorian is out too™ [05:24] awesome, so far so good on arm [05:25] Hobbsee: moodbar [05:26] ahh [05:27] Or Bug #316262 if you prefer. [05:27] Launchpad bug 316262 in moodbar "Please remove moodbar source and binary from Jaunty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316262 [05:39] ScottK: isn't that, ummm, wrong? [05:39] ScottK: there's moodbar plasmoid [05:40] Tm_T: moodbar is for amarok 1.4. [05:40] ScottK: but, there's moodbar plasmoid [05:40] The plasmoid must be built from another package. [05:41] right, it's in plasma playground [05:41] * vorian does not spy a moodbar plasmoid on his system and goes searching [05:51] vorian: you prolly don't have it unless you have svn build from playground/base/plasma [05:52] i was just grabbing it Tm_T :) [05:52] it looks perty [05:52] it would be great if someone could commit a COPYING file to that branch [07:55] <\sh> Sput: thx a lot :) at the end of the month we will have a bigger party ,-) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [10:34] hrm, curious.... Im getting plasma crashes at startup as well as missing plasmoids (lancelot for one) when I try reinstall lancelot I get an error - did someone break something in the experirmental repo? [10:34] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:34] plasmoid-lancelot: Depends: libplasma2 but it is not going to be installed [10:34] E: Broken packages [10:47] we use libplasma3 these days in KDE 4.2 [10:49] danimo: no, some glitches remain: the tab especially. [10:49] oups, some delay in the answer ;) [10:50] fabo: did I see in your commit comments that qt 4.5 can't use kdesupport phonon? [10:52] Riddell: not me. I have written a comment on the changelog that pusling raised. It seems there's an issue, but I didn't reached this point yet to confirm ... or not. [11:01] Riddell: ahh, so someone needs to update lancelot then. wheres JontheEchidna ? [11:45] ScottK: i don't even know what that is tbh [11:58] hi there [11:58] buenas dias doc__ [12:01] Riddell: buenos días :) [12:02] oh well, nearly right [12:24] Riddell: Ktranslate let you down ;) [12:38] Anyone know what is going on with the PPA lpia buildd? [12:46] jussi01: it's part of kdeplasma-addons in 4.2 === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [12:48] davmor2: how so? [12:49] Riddell: just teasing [12:49] ah :) [12:57] morning [13:04] Off to school now [13:05] Learn well [13:17] Nightrose: OK. Thanks. I guess I'll spend some time to see if Google knows. [13:30] * Sput continues to work on predefined server lists for quassel [13:30] Excellent. [13:31] using presets already works, now I need to hack in the default stuff :) [13:31] Sput: If there's some patch I can try out to produce debugging info for that minimize problem, just let me know. [13:31] ScottK: sure [13:31] I'll tackle that in a few days I think, once I'm done with the other stuff I have on my table [13:32] OK. [13:49] apachelogger: The C10shell pbuilder hook is worth it's weight in gold. I've wanted pbuilder to do that since years. [13:49] Thank you very much. [13:53] * Nightrose wonders how much such a pbuilder hook weights and if apachelogger could make a living with them [13:53] ;-) [13:53] meh, you killed my C10nanoshell :( [13:53] vorian: he merged it with the C10shell [13:54] i just noticed [13:54] export EDITOR=nano in pbuilderrc, I think === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:54] and bleh, openoffice without openoffice.org-kde looks like fried armpit [13:55] *lol* [13:55] hehe [13:55] argh @ JontheEchidna for flooding my inbox once again [13:55] do i owe you cookies? [13:55] sure? :P [13:55] :P [13:55] ~order cookies for JontheEchidna [13:55] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna. [13:55] ^_^ [13:56] * JontheEchidna has only done 23 bugs so far [13:56] >:} [13:56] oO [13:56] well tbh you are not the only one [13:56] dude [13:56] a kde guy has been doing it as well tonight [13:56] inbox -> esplode [13:56] lol [13:57] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls [13:58] spammer [13:58] nixternal: It's Alpha 3 release notes time (you said to ping you). [13:58] nixternal: Item one is Amarok 2 in the archive, but not yet on the CD. [14:06] nvidia-proprietary still doesn't support xorg 1.6 ABI (if I'm not wrong, I think ubuntu will have this in the issues too ...) [14:06] ^^ (just my 2 cents for the release notes ) [14:18] seele: Hi, anything new from the kpackagekit-front? [14:30] colomar: i havent heard anything yet [14:37] hi [14:37] anybody running amarok 2 in jaunty ? [14:39] yes [14:47] Riddell: Once everything that's pending gets processed, all the Amarok 1 rdepends/recommeds/suggests are dealt with. [14:47] so.. today my pidgin wont connect to msn [14:47] meh.. [14:48] and kopete still doesnt have msn support in jaunty [14:48] ownage :) [14:48] webmessenger @ msn's site works though [14:48] Riddell: I'm one upload away from time to make a decision on kdebindings for KDE3. [14:49] Riddell: My proposal was to remove kita2 and dump bindings for KDE3. apachelogger wants to keep them as long as they 'work' for 3rd party stuff. [14:49] Riddell: Up to you. [14:49] If we go apachelogger's way, we'd make it kde3bindings. [14:51] hi [14:52] ScottK: kita? [14:52] It's a japanese IM client not in Debian. [14:53] Riddell: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/kita/ [14:53] Riddell: I already warned the guy that packaged it a month ago it might have to go away. [14:54] how about moving kdebindings to universe? [14:54] or what's the rationale for removing it again? just one less hassle? [14:54] Riddell: OK. Move it to Universe as kde3bindings? [14:55] One less hassle. [14:56] The more KDE3 stuff that dies the sooner the better. [14:57] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vNKxmokgKjU/SWpEpMVef5I/AAAAAAAAAek/UPEeLVNZHBA/s1600-h/zrzut-styczen-10.png - kde 4.2.60 :) [14:57] I think universe would be my preference [14:57] very nice [14:57] Riddell: OK. [14:57] ScottK: shall I do that? [14:57] Riddell: Let me upload it as kd3bindings first. [14:58] sorry [14:58] Then the next kde4bindings upload can be kdebindings. [14:58] One less diff from Debian. [14:58] right [14:58] kd3/kde3 [15:01] hey folks :) a user got this with jaunty packages: amarok: [ERROR!] Tried to perform query on uninitialized MySQLe [15:01] could it be that the amarok package is using the wrong mysql? [15:01] he gets no collection because of this [15:07] yeah, me too [15:07] * JontheEchidna afk for a bit [15:08] ScottK: can they be done tonight by chance? [15:08] releasw notes that is? if you have points, throw them on a wiki page and link me to them [15:09] nixternal: Absolutely. Need them by Wed. [15:09] groovy [15:09] I will work on that stuff tonight then [15:10] vorian: poke [15:10] apachelogger: poke [15:14] Nightrose: ouch [15:14] heh [15:14] you packaged it right? [15:14] can you have a look? [15:14] yes mam! [15:14] thx :) [15:14] I don't get that messages but I do have an empty collection [15:15] Riddell: amarok -d [15:15] what's the problem [15:15] probably build against the wrong mysql [15:16] ok, let me get the build-deps [15:16] mm, now I get amarok: [ERROR!] Tried to perform query on uninitialized MySQLe [15:16] oh give me the beat boys and free my soul, i wanna get lost in your rock and roll, and drift away! [15:16] I woke up to that song this morning...it is such an eye opener, I am ready to work now! [15:17] Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/103942/ [15:17] nixternal: haha morning then - ScottK poked you about release notes in case you havn't seen it [15:17] vorian: checking [15:18] apachelogger and Riddell: I'd suggest go ahead and change kde4bindings to kdebindings. I'm test building my kde3bindings right now. [15:18] vorian: yea - have a look at the intrepid package - it should have a custom mysql package [15:19] asuming the stock mysql package wasn't fixed in jaunty [15:19] Nightrose: We need to figure out how to make the official mysql package work for amarok too for Jaunty. Can't have two. [15:19] *nod* Aides really is the guy to talk to about that [15:19] he did all the mysql vodoo for us [15:19] * ScottK looks over at vorian. [15:20] * vorian nods to scott [15:20] hehe [15:20] since 5.1 is in the universe and all [15:56] vorian: if I install mysql-server-5.1 and libmysqlclient-dev my collection works [15:56] so it needs something installed which isn't, data files or the like [15:57] hmm [16:02] Riddell: My kde3bindings is still test building and I need to run off for a meeting, so I'll upload it tonight. [16:03] JontheEchidna: did you see my issue before? [16:03] plasmoid-lancelot is no longer a separate package [16:03] it's included in kdeplasma-addons [16:03] JontheEchidna: ahh... that makes sense then [16:04] yup :) [16:14] Riddell: do you have to install libmysqlclient-dev to get it working, or will mysql-server work? [16:20] let me see [16:21] just needs mysql-server-5.1 vorian [16:21] Riddell: that's an easy fix then [16:21] if you look in the PPA there's a package with the data files it needs [16:21] yet another kubuntu-debian difference [16:21] but depending on mysql-server-5.1 would be the quick fix [16:21] yup [16:22] i wonder what kind of feedback debian is getting [16:39] Hobbsee: I am around now :) [16:41] ScottK, Nightrose: so what is pacpl? [16:43] Hi! digikam from http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu has problems. It fails to load pluings and exit. Any suggestion? [16:43] there is a party going on [16:44] what the heck is digikam-experimental? [16:45] Nightrose: that mysqle error appears when one tries to be smart and not installes the deps of amarok-kde4 [16:45] apachelogger: ;-) [16:45] and havn't checked what that pacpl thingy is [16:46] neversfelde: please see bug 316288 [16:46] Launchpad bug 316288 in choqok "New upstream version available" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316288 [16:48] Nightrose, Riddell, fix commited [16:48] vorian: gracias :) [16:48] vorian: shouldn't you see that bug? [16:49] considering he already dropped a diff.gz and all :P [16:49] well, that was for 3, there is now a 3.1 :) [16:49] ô mon dieu! [16:50] i suppose i could sponsor this upload, and neversfelde can update from there [16:50] Riddell: are you ok if I upload 4.1.4 all at once? [16:50] * apachelogger thinks Riddell has to accept it piece by piece anyway [16:51] vorian: well, in any case make sure you commit the changes to $branch and prepare $backport ;-) [16:51] yup yup [16:51] or let neversfelde do it ... delegation > work [16:51] heh [16:52] Nightrose: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/ [16:52] apachelogger: that's fine [16:52] ScottK: how is that related to Amarok? [16:52] Riddell: ok [16:53] apachelogger: seems to have an extension for amarok [16:53] whatever that means [16:53] at least the intro says so [16:53] hm [16:53] never heard of it before though [16:54] apachelogger: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/images/pac_amarok.jpg [16:54] ScottK: in that case.. if it doesn't work with amarok2 it is due to pacpl being close-to-unmaintained and not having noticed that amarok got a new scripting interface half a year ago :P [16:54] *shrug* [16:55] * apachelogger will sure be glad when he'll not be the only one to review a complete release [16:56] all of .4 is signed by me :S [16:56] <\sh> apachelogger: you are the hero :) [16:57] \sh: and I am scared of what would happen if I screwed something up ;-) [16:57] briseight: what plugins? kipi-plugins? [16:58] apachelogger: digikam-experimental are beta packages of kde4's digikam/kipi-plugins for Intrepid [16:58] Lure: Marble [16:58] Lure: that should be in kubuntu-experimental really [16:58] <\sh> apachelogger: well, then you have more time to practice karaoke ,-) [16:58] briseight: do you have marble-data installed? [16:58] \sh: haha, true :D [16:58] I can paste the log [16:59] I compiled from svn [16:59] briseight: what is from svn and what from digikam-experimental? [17:00] Riddell: all 4.1.4 packages uploaded, I recommend you check that all 20 arrived though :) [17:00] JontheEchidna: ping [17:00] apachelogger: pong [17:00] apachelogger: 4.1.4? that sounds so last-year... ;-) [17:01] JontheEchidna: got time to test a new approach to wotm? [17:01] Lure: I've installed 0.10.0~beta8-0ubuntu1~intrepid~ppa1 [17:01] apachelogger: sure [17:01] and also tried to compile [17:01] but both have the same problem [17:01] Lure: yah, that is about what I said when scott mentioned that debian already uploaded it ;-) [17:02] briseight: can you check if you have marble-data package installed? [17:02] JontheEchidna: uploading [17:02] briseight: this is known issue with kde 4.2/beta packages (should be fixed for rc by JontheEchidna ;-)) [17:03] Lure: if I applied the right packaging :P [17:03] Lure: I'm checking now [17:03] * apachelogger was getting real confused from all the mails in his inbox [17:03] apachelogger: ;-) [17:03] * Lure is waiting for rc packages to switch from kde-from-svn [17:04] * apachelogger is wondering if he should switch at all [17:04] you people could work on jaunty while I focus my efforts on annoying upstream for 4.3 :P [17:05] JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-wotm_8.12_all.deb [17:05] JontheEchidna: you will have to login though [17:05] Lure: I have libmarble but not murble [17:06] ok [17:06] there is now an xsession file that sets KDEDIRS [17:06] briseight: you do not need marble (standalone app), but you need marble-data to prevent crash [17:06] Lure: ok I'm installing also marble-data [17:07] * Lure updated digikam-experimental description [17:07] Lure: it takes too long on my slow connection :( Ill try it tonight. Thx [17:09] Lure: I'm complaing about the oddity of the error message [17:09] "initrd.img" - "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic" [17:09] Plugin Failure: "initrd.img" is not a valid Marble Plugin: [17:10] etc... [17:10] briseight: do you have marble-data installed? [17:11] briseight: that confirms it is marble-data issue [17:13] argh @ whiners crying about closed amarok 1 bugs [17:15] JontheEchidna: did something break? Oo [17:16] nah [17:16] JontheEchidna: *hug* [17:16] @ crybabies [17:16] konversation just doesn't autostart for some reason :/ [17:16] stupid kde software, never works [17:16] JontheEchidna: so, do you have nu wallpaper? [17:16] apachelogger: success, although my pager is now 1 row instead of two [17:17] hm [17:17] interesting [17:17] very much so [17:17] JontheEchidna: do you have usual kubuntu-default-settings stuff? [17:18] * apachelogger is wondering what would cause the pager to go one-rowish [17:18] nope, everything else is as I left it [17:19] no clue [17:19] JontheEchidna: sounds unrelated though [17:19] the plasma-appletsrc only locks the wallpaper image [17:22] JontheEchidna: if you find out why pager changed please poke me, thanks for testing [17:22] * JontheEchidna isn't too concerned [17:22] now we just need someone to select the images and deploy the package ;-) [17:23] is the nepomuk/crystal search plasmoid packaged smewhere yet? (ie. this one: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=904 ) [17:23] apachelogger: I think I got pacpl patched into submission. [17:24] jussi01: nope [17:25] JontheEchidna: feel like being nice to me? ;) [17:25] Is anyone else using Amarok2.0.1 from the jaunty packages? I get no collection with it. [17:25] apachelogger: I did KDE 3.5.10 packaged, reviewed, and uploaded essentially all by myself. KDE4 with Cmake is easy. [17:25] jussi01: it'd pretty much be unusably slow since we don't have the sesame2 nepomuk backend [17:26] So my sympathy is limited. [17:26] JontheEchidna: oh. ok. :/ [17:26] which we can't distribute since the software distributes binary blobs [17:26] I was previously using Neon on jaunty which correctly scanned and produced a collection. I removed the neon packages, installed the jaunty, cleared out the configuration (.kde/share/conf/amarok* and .kde/share/apps/amarok) and hit scan. [17:26] ScottK-palm: doing it yourself is quite different from reviewing though [17:27] JontheEchidna: Do you know if the binary blobs issue is going to be cleared up somtime? Or is it more likely that a second c++ based backend will be created? [17:27] Yes. More painful. [17:27] vorian: now that was a quick release ;-) [17:27] astromme_: no clue :-( [17:28] If I never type make -f debian/rules build-prep again, it will be too soon. [17:28] apachelogger: hmm? [17:28] I noticed my inbox asplode :) [17:28] vorian: choqok [17:28] +1 [17:29] +2 actually [17:29] I have 20 extra mails about the .4 upload [17:29] haha [17:29] and then I will get 20 more for it failing on some arch [17:29] it didn't seem like i did that many at the time [17:29] right [17:30] Was it only 20? [17:30] the build farm is bogged down too [17:31] for 4.1.4 [17:32] ScottK-palm: it's always only 20 packages [17:32] well [17:32] I think quassel is going to solve our IRC client problem. [17:33] for backport/proposed anways [17:33] * apachelogger gets ~60 mails for l10n uploads :D [17:33] Anyone know how k3b kde4 is looking? [17:33] and someone will have to save me from drowning if thei FTBFS ;-) [17:33] ScottK-palm: we won't know until someone tests it [17:34] which no one did AFAIK [17:34] That and the NM plasmoid we really need. [17:36] anyone wanna blog a bit? [17:36] about what apachelogger [17:36] What about? [17:37] I think I can do that in my phone. [17:37] I need some people to maintain kubuntu wallpaper of the month [17:38] i.e. select a good wallpaper and deploy the package [17:38] not much work, just need to have a couple of people with good taste so it doesn't depend on one lonesome ghost ;-) [17:39] apachelogger: make a plasmoid and make it update automagically every month! [17:39] too much work :P [17:40] Sounds like a job for nixternal. [17:40] Like docs, but even less wor. [17:40] nixternal could test k3b :P [17:40] and help develop the NM plasmoid [17:41] * nixternal is dealing with stupid vendors who do not QC their damn hardware worth a crap and now he has a total of 7 machines that can't provide their statistics correctly via SNMP [17:41] ScottK-palm: IMHO such small things are a good chance to get new people in [17:41] Sure thing. [17:41] * nixternal also has other things that need to get done first (ie. archive re-organization stuff) :/ [17:42] * nixternal goes back to dealing with stupid vendors [17:42] * ScottK-palm wonders if nixternal doing stuff would count as new. [17:42] :-) [17:42]