[00:35] <x1250> anyone noticed the new totem plugins, jamendo and the subtitle downloader? nice addons :)
[00:36] <spitfire_> oO
[00:36] <spitfire_> nice
[00:36] <spitfire_> though rhythmbox already supports jamendo
[00:36] <spitfire_> but subdownloader is great news;)
[00:37] <x1250> yep :)
[00:37] <spitfire_> x1250: I will backport it then :P
[00:46] <x1250> spitfire_, don't, let them upgrade, we need more testers >:)
[00:47] <spitfire_> x1250: what?
[00:47] <spitfire_> You say I should go jaunty? :P
[00:48] <x1250> are you not in jaunty?
[00:49] <spitfire_> x1250: nooo
[00:49] <spitfire_> intrepid
[00:49] <spitfire_> just looking what's new;P
[00:49] <spitfire_> That's why I said "backporting" ;P
[00:51] <x1250> yep, didn't know you were in the good ol' intrepid.
[00:54] <lamalex> Hey, does the graphical installer have ext4 yet or just alternate
[01:00] <spitfire_> x1250: can you modprobe --list |grep gspca for me?
[01:00] <spitfire_> modprobe --list |grep gspca
[01:02] <x1250> spitfire_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/103707/    ------- dont make it a habit :P
[01:02] <spitfire_> ok
[01:02] <spitfire_> thanx;)
[01:02] <spitfire_> I needed to know it it's really there.
[01:23] <Nicekiwi9> hi, is it possable to upgrade from Kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 Alpha 2/
[01:23] <Nicekiwi9> ?
[01:27] <spitfire_> apt-get update -d ?
[01:28] <spitfire_> Nicekiwi9: update-manager -d
[01:28] <spitfire_> and then you'll have an option to upgrade.
[01:28] <Nicekiwi9> update manager isent istalled!? this is useing KDE 4.1 on kubutnu
[01:29] <spitfire_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2
[01:29] <spitfire_> \instructions from there^^
[01:29] <Nicekiwi9> no...
[01:30] <Nicekiwi9> those are the upgrade instuctions for Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> to make that command work i have to install most of the Gnome and GTK systems and dependancies, over 200MB before u could run that update-manager :S
[01:31] <spitfire_> Ok
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> that is NOT the command for upgrading Kubutnu
[01:31] <Nicekiwi9> =(
[01:31] <spitfire_> You want to upgrade because kde4 sucks?
[01:32] <Nicekiwi9> huh? :S
[01:32] <Nicekiwi9> KDE4 rules... i dont get what ur saying...
[01:33] <spitfire_> :D
[01:33] <spitfire_> Nicekiwi9: I'd recomment you to get a livecd rather than upgrading.
[01:33] <spitfire_> And making clean install.
[01:33] <Nicekiwi9> :( i wish..
[01:33] <Nicekiwi9> but the liveCD dosent work with Wubi
[01:34] <Nicekiwi9> and i dont have any blank discs... so id rather not partition my drive so wui woudl be best but dosent work :(
[01:34] <Nicekiwi9> wubi
[01:35] <spitfire_> test version just *don't* work:P
[01:35] <spitfire_> In one month they it will;)
[01:35] <Nicekiwi9> sigh.. alpha 3 comes out ina few days... guess i'll ahve to wait and hope for that one
[02:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[03:22]  * DanaG wonders what's up with that kernel panic bug.
[03:24] <terli> *uses the DEBIAN folder in package generation*
[03:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[05:35] <Andre_Gondim> if I replace intrepid for jaunty in sources.list will broke?
[05:37] <nroot7> I am upgrading to 9.04 and in the list of known issues, one issue is that it does not work properly with ATI drivers. Now I am using closed source ATI drivers right now. In case a problem comes when I restart the system, how should i revert to open source drivers?
[06:05] <poningru> Andre_Gondim, yes it will
[06:05] <poningru> nroot7, just blacklist the open drivers
[07:20] <manusmad> I just updated to 9.04
[07:20] <manusmad> and can login anymore
[07:21] <manusmad> when I boot I land up on command login
[07:22] <nroot7> I just updated to 9.04
[07:22] <nroot7> and can login anymore
[07:22] <nroot7> when I boot I land up on command login
[07:22] <nroot7> how can I know what is causing the problem
[07:22] <nroot7> can anyone help me trouble shoot
[08:34] <BUGabundo> question: when is the next debian sync scheduled?
[08:34] <BUGabundo> 'cause http://packages.debian.org/sid/pidgin-musictracker 0.4.13-1 isn't in yet
[08:34] <BUGabundo> should I ask for a manual sync?
[08:47] <allthebestisyeto> why is my Intel graphics card kinda slower in Jaunty?
[08:49] <BUGabundo> allthebestisyeto: please confirm me something
[08:49] <BUGabundo> is your alt-tab slow too?
[08:49] <BUGabundo> I can only change windows by pressing twice!!
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: no it is fine
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I have effects enabled
[08:50] <BUGabundo> humm
[08:50] <BUGabundo> I don't!
[08:50] <BUGabundo> what make its even stranger!
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I'm more worried about video playback
[08:50] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: it flickers a bit
[08:50] <BUGabundo> X is under a lot of changes (again)
[08:50] <BUGabundo> I guess the intel driver still aint stable!
[08:51] <BUGabundo> check their BTS to see if anyone is reporting slowness with current trunk X
[08:51] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: bts?
[08:51] <BUGabundo> Bug track system
[08:51] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: address?
[08:52] <allthebestisyeto> uh, I mean link
[08:52] <BUGabundo> don't know!
[08:52] <BUGabundo> lol
[08:52] <BUGabundo> google search it for intel linux gpu
[08:52] <allthebestisyeto> BUGabundo: I actually am doing it already
[08:55] <allthebestisyeto> there is a forums thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=4094e3ad27ac1bdf6ddc192f96a7d598&t=998754&page=4
[10:10] <vega> does this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20090112/ already have EXT4 support?
[10:47] <lucent> vega: the Jaunty Alpha 2 release has ext4 support
[10:48] <lucent> not for the installer though
[10:48] <vega> installer support is what i'm looking for
[10:48] <lucent> I was able to - however - boot JA2 and mount an ext4 disk
[10:49] <vega> this article seems to suggest that it has since of yesterday: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_ext4&num=1
[10:49] <vega> "as of yesterday, Ubuntu 9.04 now has install-time support for EXT4."
[10:49] <vega> and it was written yesterday
[10:49] <lucent> interesting
[10:50] <vega> so guess i'll give it a shot
[12:03] <spitfire_> vega: "January 9, 2009 daily spins"
[12:03] <spitfire_> so it' there for 3 days
[12:03] <spitfire_> Why not reiser4:/
[12:10] <ikonia> just beta ?
[12:12] <Volkodav> where is a new evdev xkb layout file ? console something
[12:13] <spitfire_> ikonia: what?
[12:13] <ikonia> spitfire_: reiser4 -sorry, thought you said ext4
[12:13] <spitfire_> reiser4 is more stable than ext4
[12:13] <ikonia> spitfire_: resier4 is dead after the owner is in jail
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: nope
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: it's been dropped from the default kernel
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I read an article on it a few days ago, it's still being argued as I read
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: never been there.
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I know - but it's been dropped as an option for the kernel
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: It's because of political issues i think:P
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: I think his company is still pushing ahead with it
[12:14] <spitfire_> ikonia: it is.
[12:14] <ikonia> spitfire_: totally political yes,
[12:14] <spitfire_> And it is developed
[12:15] <ikonia> but it's not in the kernel, so no point discussing it
[12:15] <spitfire_> ikonia: it'j just because linus doesn't want it
[12:15] <ikonia> I don't care
[12:15] <ikonia> it's not in the kernel
[12:15] <spitfire_> ikonia: depends
[12:15] <ikonia> so no point discussing it
[12:17] <spitfire_> ikonia: I have patched kernel that inludes it. Ubuntu patches it's kernel heavily so why not patch  it with reiser4?
[12:18] <ikonia> because they don't
[12:18] <ikonia> so there is no point discussing it
[12:18] <ikonia> the developers have chose not to
[12:36] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/358596 where do I edit this file ?
[13:06] <pwuertz> hi, I'm a bit confused about the intel driver situation in jaunty... isn't that new driver / gallium / gem / xserver 1.6 stuff supposed to finally solve that problem with opengl applications rendering the contents "over" instead of "into" the windows?
[13:07] <pwuertz> like this strange behavior when moving/wobbeling glxgears around
[14:21] <ahz>  Why can't I find the new package "bleachbit" in Add/Remove Programs (set to all packages) but I can find it with apt-cache on Ubuntu 9.04 alpha?
[15:30] <ahz>  Why can't I find the new package "bleachbit" in Add/Remove Programs (set to all packages) but I can find it with apt-cache on Ubuntu 9.04 alpha?
[15:50] <Happosade> Hello
[15:51] <Happosade> What is name of installingserver, where Ubuntu will be downloaded?
[16:05] <IntrepidOne> has Ubuntu decided to switch to LILO?
[16:07] <Pici> No.
[16:09] <IntrepidOne> so why am I getting a perform liloconfig during the upgrade?
[16:09] <Pici> I vaguely remember getting that as well, but it still installed grub.
[16:09] <IntrepidOne> ok
[16:14] <pwuertz> does someone know why opengl is still drawn as an overlay? despite the usage of dri2?
[16:46] <CarlFK> play sound.wav, aplay sound.wav both work.  espeak hi does not - no sound, no error.
[16:46] <CarlFK> hmm, apt-get upgrade has a lot to upgrade...  lets see if that fixes it
[16:59] <CarlFK> upgrade, still nothing from espeak
[17:00] <CarlFK> this works: espeak hi -w hi.wav && play hi.wav
[17:04] <CarlFK> and this: hi --stdout| play -t wav -
[17:11] <CarlFK> google says:  edit the espeak.conf file, and set EspeakAudioOutputMethod to "pulse". ...
[17:12] <CarlFK> where is espeak.conf ?
[17:15] <RyeBrye> quick question - I did an upgrade to jaunty one one of my machines last night and the ethernet card is now listed in lshw as "disabled" - what should i do to enable it and get my ethernet working again? It's Intel 82562V 10/100 NIC on the motherboard of a Dell E520
[17:19] <RyeBrye> hmm.... looks like the driver is listed as ? in udev rules... I'll look at fixing that
[17:28] <astromme_> Is anyone using the Amarok 2.0.1.1 packages from Kubuntu/Ubuntu Jaunty?
[17:29] <astromme_> I can't seem to get a collection. It scans but no collection shows up.
[17:29] <astromme_> It previously worked with the Neon packages (intrepid packages used on jaunty).
[17:38] <s0u][ight> hello #ubuntu is way too busy, how can i set the default of g++ to 4.2?
[17:49] <ikonia> you don't ask in here if #ubuntu is too busy
[17:49] <ikonia> s0u][ight: please ask in #ubuntu , this is for jaunty discussion only
[17:49] <s0u][ight> i understand :)
[17:50] <ikonia> thank youi
[17:50] <ikonia> you even
[17:59]  * astromme_ is sad that Amarok can't seem to put the results of his scan into a collection
[18:01] <s0u][ight> ikonia, i found out what i needed myself ;)
[18:01] <s0u][ight> laters
[18:02] <BotLobsta> is there any way to tell apt-get that its being stupid and it should do something other than what it wants to do?
[18:02] <ikonia> BotLobsta: do you want to ask a real question, with real detail please
[18:03] <robin0800> BotLobsta: you could try aptitude instead
[18:03] <BotLobsta> so im trying to update to the latest openoffice that came out today and it wants to install some mysql stuff
[18:03] <Pici> apt-get --disable-studpidness
[18:03] <ikonia> BotLobsta: ok, so there is some dependencies, why is that stupid ?
[18:03] <BotLobsta> and i looked through the dependencies and it doesnt need those packages but it wants to do it anyways
[18:04] <ikonia> BotLobsta: how do you know it doesn't need them ?
[18:04] <Pici> BotLobsta: It doesn't grab that stuff from thin air, something must be depending or reccomending it.
[18:04] <ikonia> BotLobsta: I mean what is the criteria your using to determain it doesn't need them
[18:04] <BotLobsta> the only way to get from openoffice.org-core to mysql-common is through libsasl2-2
[18:05] <BotLobsta> that depends on libsasl2-modules | libsasl2-modules-sql
[18:05] <BotLobsta> i already have libsasl2-modules installed but it wants to install libsasl2-modules-sql also
[18:05] <ikonia> that seems sensible in terms of dependencies ?
[18:05] <ikonia> so you've tracked the dependency and it look like it needs it
[18:05] <ikonia> (as I'm reading what your saying)
[18:06] <BotLobsta> but it depends on either one or the other
[18:06] <BotLobsta> it doesnt need both
[18:06] <BotLobsta> unless im misunderstanding the | character
[18:07] <ikonia> BotLobsta: are you sure, it looks like it needs libsasl2-modules-sql
[18:07] <ikonia> (from what your saying)
[18:07] <BotLobsta> this is what the depends line for libsasl2-2 shows
[18:08] <BotLobsta> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdb4.6, libsasl2-modules (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-sql (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2) | libsasl2-modules-kerberos-heimdal (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2)
[18:08] <ikonia> BotLobsta: that looks like it's saying "I need these"
[18:08] <BotLobsta> i thought if it said a | b | c it only needed a or b or c
[18:09] <BotLobsta> and that a, b, c meant a and b and c
[18:09] <ikonia> but its not doing A | B | C, i's doing A B C
[18:09] <ikonia> as I'm reading it
[18:10] <BotLobsta> the separator between libsasl2-modules and libsasl2-modules-sql is |
[18:11] <ikonia> ooh I see libsasl2-modules's the 2.1.22.dfsg1-23ubuntu2 package
[18:11] <ikonia> sorry, I'm miss-reading that due to line breaks
[18:13] <BotLobsta> yea it is a bit confusing
[18:13] <ikonia> BotLobsta: my terminal is wrong I'm miss-reading
[18:13] <ikonia> so your saying libsasl2-modules-sql libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal libsasl2-modules-kerberos-heimdal is one or the other, not all 3
[18:15] <ikonia> BotLobsta: is this OO3 from the ubuntu repo (jaunty)
[18:15] <BotLobsta> i think it means it needs libc6 and libdb4.6 and (libsasl2-modules or -modules-sql or -modules-gssapi-heimdal or -modules-kerberos-meimdal)
[18:15] <BotLobsta> yes
[18:17] <ikonia> I actually read that as "I need all 3"
[18:17] <ikonia> I'll have to look a the synatax
[19:16] <iamarockstar> so what is the new feature expected in alpha3?
[19:17] <iamarockstar> ??
[19:20] <charlie-tca> iamarockstar: perhaps the newest is ext4 support
[19:20] <iamarockstar> hmmm... k that is in the dailies also right.
[19:22] <iamarockstar> by the way i havent exavctly tried the alpha so could znyone tell me how the notification feature is looking like? does it work well? does it look as beautiful as in mark's blog' mockup presentation?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> yes. Everything in alpha3 should be in the dailies. I do not think any feature is held just for a release
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know about the notification feature
[19:24] <iamarockstar> anyone else?
[19:53] <c_korn> will this "new design" be in jaunty already?
[19:53] <fosco___> c_korn, no news about it
[20:52] <timing> hello, when i run update-manager -2 i get an error about not able to download jaunty-security and jaunty-updates
[20:52] <timing> i use the nl. mirror
[20:52] <timing> that's a known problem? or am i doing something wrong?
[20:55] <timing> O i have some sort of solution, i disabled updates and security first in the software sources preferences
[20:56] <timing> well, bbl i think
[23:45] <roe> is there a known issue that is keeping OOo 3.0 out of jaunty?
[23:50] <fosco_> roe: OO3 is included in jaunty
[23:50] <roe> look at that, it wasn't 2 days ago
[23:51] <fosco_> take a look today :)
[23:51] <roe> yes I see