[00:02] sue_: there is no system xml file [00:03] lc2: what is that line referring to then? [00:03] sue_: it's not referring to an actual file, it's just a directive to include the standard system menu [00:04] I tried modifying menu items in the .cache directory, but as the name suggests, the next time I installed a package, my changes were lost [00:04] lc2: where is the standard system menu located? [00:04] sue_: it's not located anywhere afaik, it's generated on the fly [00:04] Hey out there. Sully question but I was wondering will I see much of an improvement on my 1 gig of ram system if I use XFCE over GNOME? [00:05] you might want to poke around /usr/share/applications [00:05] if you want to edit a menu item [00:05] whileimhere: what processor? [00:05] AMD [00:05] Uh [00:05] whileimhere: define improvement.. I find that xfce is much better than Gnome in more ways than just speed [00:05] Like [00:06] ? [00:06] whileimhere: GNOME doesn't eat anywhere near a gig of ram, so you'll have enough memory for either, consequently you won't notice the difference [00:06] whileimhere: xfce is significantly faster, but that might be the difference between a couple of milliseconds and a few milliseconds, and not something you'll notice, depending on your processor [00:07] but hey, try it, if you don't like xfce you can have your money back [00:07] whileimhere: has more interface options, for one [00:07] LOL I just was wondering if it will be worth my 45 minute download. I used it before and thought it was okay. [00:07] whileimhere: 45 minute download? are you already running linux? [00:08] only things I've run into so far are that the menu editor dosen't really do anything and the calendar program is rather crashy.. and wish it was integrated with the clock [00:09] sue_: yeah that and the add-a-launcher thing is fail on a biblical scale [00:09] lc2: oh yes.. it'd be nice to add items from the menu [00:09] sue_: yeah, that. [00:09] GNOME desktop [00:09] and it was funny that it doesn't use the icon browser that the menu editor does [00:10] whileimhere: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [00:10] whileimhere: shouldn't take 45 minutes [00:10] I heard that they are replacing the xfce menu in the next release [00:10] sue_: oh cool [00:11] from what I understood, it should be using the "standard" menus.. so maybe the gnome menu editor will then work too [00:11] sue_: winrar [00:11] huh? [00:11] sue_: winnar [00:12] i'm happy with that, the only reason i only have like 8 launchers on my panel is because it takes roughly five years to add one [00:13] when I was working with the menu in the .cache directory, it was actually fine.. just too bad that my changes were lost, hehe [00:13] sue_: edit their entries in /usr/share/applications [00:14] that should do it i think [00:14] (disclaimer: i've not tried it) [00:14] sue_: this is the best way i've found to edit the current xfce menu. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=40730 [00:15] look for the post by epimer [00:15] lolwut [00:16] not user friendly but it works [00:21] Have problems with FDD under Xubuntu - After reboot I have option Mount active - after single use it turns for permanently grey [00:21] mm. [00:23] i have a p3 551mhz machine, can i run xubuntu on it [00:24] dope: hi there [00:24] dope: how much ram does you computer have? [00:24] i think 512 [00:24] dope: you should be fine. [00:25] hmm [00:25] can i watch videos? [00:25] retour: i haven't a clue [00:25] dope: i run it in 384mb and yes, i watch po^H^Hvideos [00:25] i've been having trouble installing [00:25] dope: yes - dvd playback might be problematic because of your graphics card, but you could watch youtube and stuff like that [00:25] it hangs a lot [00:26] but i think that's a hardware issue [00:26] dope: try the alternative installer [00:26] the text-based one [00:26] i did [00:26] oh ;( [00:26] yeah [00:26] it hung at 6% when it was installing the main stuff [00:27] dope - without any problems! [00:27] ? [00:27] dope: does it do that for both the alternative install and the normal installer? [00:27] do memory test [00:28] Best - Verify your CD and THAN full memtest [00:28] Soooo nobody is using floppies nowdays? hehe [00:28] retour: negative [00:28] i'm all into those newfangled "cd" and "usb" things [00:29] well I need it to install Linux on system with broken CD-ROM and too old BIOS to support USB boot [00:29] hm. ;( [00:30] lc2, jlmc, thanks a lot! [00:30] wait, what [00:30] sue_: you're very welcome, stick around [00:30] retour: you're going to install an entire system from floppies? [00:30] this is heroic [00:30] Generally easy - IF I can use Xubuntu on my any other 2 machines to make a floppy boot image for me BUT they both have issues [00:31] retour: you could try using it from the command line [00:31] (as i gather, you'd have to do that anyway) [00:31] (to make a bootable disk) [00:31] Nope - skeleton Linux runs from single FDD to detect USB pendrive and install itself from ISO image on it [00:32] retour: right, so you have a floppy disk image right [00:32] Yep and my console try returns even better results doing /dev/fd0 mount or umount it says bash:"access denied" ha! [00:33] yeah well, mounting it won't help you if you're trying to write a floppy disk image anyway [00:33] uh, i don't have a working floppy drive, it's still /dev/fd0 right? [00:33] heh? can I do it into non mounted drive? [00:33] yes /dev/fd0 [00:33] retour: yes, you can't do it any other way [00:33] okay [00:34] sudo dd if=yourfile.img of=/dev/fd0 [00:34] tada [00:35] dd equals -> copy? Like using thunar and copy my file from HDD location into FDD? [00:36] no, dd = copy a file byte-for-byte onto its destination [00:37] hmm I'm not getting it. Is dd + *.img file same as using burning app + ISO file to create CD with actual content and tons of files and folders? [00:38] retour: that's not an altogether bad analogy [00:38] think of your image as an ISO file, and yeah, you're just burning floppies [00:38] retour: /dev/fd0 is a device file, if you write to that, it will write *to the floppy disk itself*, filesystems be damned [00:39] your disk image is a byte-by-byte copy of exactly what a filesystem on a boot floppy should look like [00:40] i'm not sure if i'm making any sense, so feel free to inflict violence upon me [00:44] oh btw, don't do that if you've got the floppy mounted [00:44] lc2: thank you for help. Aside of my FDD issues under Xubuntu I've used dd flopboot.img of=/dev/fd0 . Problem is that after that I've found same 1.4MB single *.img file on the floppy - Nothing looking like something making it bootable FDD [00:44] retour: it should be if=flopboot.img [00:44] So I only insert the floppy and go with a dd spell? [00:44] retour: but yeah [00:45] Whaw - strange concept to me - thank for enlightement! [00:45] retour: most welcome, let us know how you get on [00:45] thank you for flying AIR XUBUNTU [00:48] ball: are you same ball from "hamradio"? [00:48] hello retour [00:48] yes, I am. [00:48] brb, fetching charger for this laptop [00:53] hello cody-somerville [00:53] back later, I'm being dragged away [00:53] : [00:53] :) [00:53] bai [00:53] also hi cody-somerville [00:53] Hiya :) [00:59] brb [01:02] wb ball [01:03] thanks [01:04] Hello AndyInkBlot [01:07] weee. [01:08] wb retour [01:08] hey retour [01:08] &73 ;-) [01:08] hey ball! [01:09] lc2: Big thank you for blowing off spiderwebs from my brain. NOT mounting it solved ALL my problems! [01:09] retour: woot. ;D [01:09] retour: so it worked? [01:10] It created proper WORKING floppy image! insted of attacking me with errors and simply copying image file into my floppy [01:10] floppy image of what? [01:10] I only wonder what was on my floppy originally as every time system was trying to read it it was ending in almost freeze (bad sector?) [01:11] retour: for great justice [01:11] I have to use floppy image of skeleton Linux to connect to my pendrive where ISO image is of the distro I'm installing (DSL) Damn Small Linux [01:13] Ah yes, I've heard of that one. [01:13] good luck with that [01:16] lc2: good luck? should I expect any issues with it? I thought floppy part was the biggest one [01:16] retour: oh, no, just sayin' [01:16] it's like, lol floppy disk [01:17] i can't remember the last time i used one [01:19] lc2: because of strange issues using old floppy (bad sector or demagnetized surface) how to format my old floppies under linux? [01:19] formad /dev/fd0? [01:19] format? [01:19] fdformat /dev/fd0 [01:21] refour: you don't format them, you make a filesystem on them. [01:21] OH fdformat - exclusive spell for floppies! Thats good I was afraid of having to declare sectors, filesystem etc [01:22] nope [01:22] well I have to tell you on one of them I executed fdisk with partition delete and make new DOS partition hehehe [01:22] retour: man mkdosfs [01:22] if you're that way inclined [01:23] (i've never used it) [01:23] nah I just wondered into wrong valley forgeting to ask you :D [01:23] now I have your spell in my paper database! [01:24] ;D [01:28] OK have a shot of Jagermeister and pile of old dusty floppies and magic splell - Time for some serious happening! [01:29] haha cool [01:30] btw, with fdformat, that will low-level format the disk but i don't think it'll create a filesystem thereon (as DOS format does), so yeah, see mkdosfs [01:30] (maybe) [01:31] OK premature ejaculation. Here is my new error: Could not determine current format type: No such device [01:32] waiiit what [01:32] well wanted to say that I've got happy to early [01:33] retour: yeah that wasn't what i'm "what" about, i'm thinking about the "no such device" thing [01:33] hello, not sure if anyone can help? I believe I unmounted my main partition in xubuntu and now my computer has a load error after power on. I am running an older xubuntu cd in hopes of repair, but do not know how to remount the partition? [01:35] Ahh should I mount it NOW? [01:35] soulroot: sudo mkdir /what; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /what [01:35] soulroot: i'm guessing it's sdb1, it probably is, but ls /dev/sd* to be sure [01:35] retour: to format it? no [01:36] ...i never got to point out that mounting it won't help him fix it [01:36] oh well [01:39] retour: fdformat /dev/fd0u1440 [01:39] (apparently) [01:40] or it might be /dev/fd0H1440 [01:40] i'm googling, no working floppy drive to test it for you [01:42] has anyone tested the last few dailies for xubuntu jaunty? is it booting up to the desktop properly? [01:42] i ask because the mythbuntu dailies from today are booting to black screen, with nothing that we recently changed likely causing it [01:43] lc2: will try all your spells - hope none is a joke kinda "format HDD and reboot" [01:43] superm1: nosir [01:43] is there a dev channel i should ask in? [01:43] or just #xubuntu is the only one? [01:44] superm1: #xubuntu-dev [01:44] is the dev channel [01:44] lc2, i looked in there, but it's empty [01:44] oh xubuntu-devel probably [01:45] lc2: I'm an idiot again! Works under root! Thank you for help! [01:45] superm1: oh sorry, my bad ;( [01:45] retour: hah :D [01:45] thanks lc2, i'll stick in there then :) [01:47] lc2: Yep, thank you and nice to have somebody long enough into linux to work with floppies [01:47] retour: i first installed debian from floppies in 1998 [01:47] it was a triumph [01:48] WOW! I remember installing W95 from 31 floppies or so. It was frikking labor and after 1-st boot a serious dissapointment [01:48] haha oh my [01:51] saludos [01:52] alguien habla español?? [01:53] * lc2 pokes spanish speakers [01:53] porque es incompatible xubuntu con wine ?? [02:09] anyone know of a http mail client i can use for xubunt [02:10] trying to check hotmail but not through web browser [02:11] hey again zesss [02:12] gotmail may be of interest to you, if you're trying to fetch mail from a hotmail account [02:12] or getlive [02:12] apparently getlive is better [02:13] (personally, i don't know why everyone doesn't use gmail) [02:23] hey [02:23] ill try it [02:23] where do i get get live [02:27] lc2 you there [02:27] zesss: yessir [02:27] where do i get get live [02:27] zesss: http://sourceforge.net/projects/getlive [02:27] (don't ask me how to install it, i haven't a clue, and don't have a hotmail account with which to test it) [02:27] (also, it seems to break pretty regularly from all i can tell) [02:30] can't you just like, use hotmail? [02:36] lol [02:36] i guess soo [02:49] well, i've done my good deeds for the day [02:49] so i'm going to go kill some strangers then go to bed [02:50] failing that, go to bed [02:50] bye! [03:56] can anyone see this? [03:57] no :P === User_ is now known as darren8808 [03:58] still can't see you :P [03:58] trying again [03:58] can anyone see me? [03:59] darren8808 i see your text in irc [04:00] am I not see by everyone in the long list on the left... using chatzilla [04:00] well you can't be responsible for their software settings. if someone answers you eventually, you can be seen [04:02] New Mexico? [04:02] newbe to this.. just have install questions for xbuntu [04:02] yes. NM [04:03] I mean xubuntu [04:03] xubuntu works great for me [04:04] working on a laptop install... boot from CD and it freezes on the logo screen where you have a bar running back and forth [04:05] P3, 256 ram, compac armada, 30gb hd [04:05] did you verify the cd? [04:06] was there supposed to be a menu b4 this where I had a chance to do that? [04:06] yes on boot [04:06] also did you do a memtest? [04:06] hmm [04:06] ok... I'll start up again and watch... brb [04:06] you should see the grub boot loader text [04:07] ok... I'm there... chose check CD for defects [04:07] probly best to check memory first, because nothing else is valid if memory is bad [04:08] ok... will re-boot and do again [04:10] it's testing now [04:10] great [04:10] is this test physical mem only? [04:11] yes. what other kind of memory do you have? [04:11] I'm wondering why it's taking so long [04:11] it runs 8 tests, each exercising different aspects of the hardware and access to memory [04:11] pretend memory [04:11] well... u know windows put virtual memory on the HD... thought it might be trying to verify that write space [04:12] I'll try to be patient [04:12] oh. the install process will create a swap space, which is "virtual memory" [04:13] test should go fairly quick with 256MB. how fast is processor? [04:13] 845.9mhz [04:13] or more to the point, what is the uncached speed of RAM access [04:14] it should tell you just below the L1 and L2 speed [04:14] I successfully installed ubuntu on a newer machine and pretty much know what to expect as far as updates, menus [04:14] cool [04:15] hold on... [04:15] L1-8292 mb/s [04:16] L2- 3759 mb/s [04:16] at pass 25% now [04:17] while I'm waiting.. is there a way for me to use a proxy to sign in here to b a little more anonymous? [04:17] I'm using chatzilla [04:18] aparently, my IP is visible [04:18] the most anonymous would be with Tor, https://torproject.org/ for details [04:18] thanks.. will research later [04:19] 33% [04:20] memtest86 tells you cache speed? Cool! [04:21] 124k reserved memory is for BIOS, right? [04:22] hmm i think each machine is different, some might be 96K [04:23] good nite to u all guys i like to ask your help i am trying to launch zsnes but it just wont, i already tried to start it from terminal and also created a launcher on my desktop but nothing works y have xubuntu 8.10 can somebody help me pls???? [04:25] 53% now [04:25] 124K is an odd amount. [04:29] the prog shows this number in a summary column and the bottom right next to "256M" which is my total physical memory [04:30] 68% now [04:35] 81% [04:35] 0 errors... I'm making progress [04:35] yep [04:36] luis_ what happens when you start zsnes from a terminal [04:36] BTW... the install CD I made was from the std install ISO vs the alternate [04:36] nothing [04:37] keb it onlu appears numbers and numers [04:37] luis_ type "dmesg" at the terminal after running zsnes and see if there is a segfault listed [04:37] at the end [04:38] darren8808 it could be that you need minimum 384M to install xubuntu 8.10, i forget. did you check the requirements on the website? [04:39] Ubuntu Server work on 256M [04:39] I wouldn't try Ubuntu with Gnome in that. [04:39] server doesnt install the GUI [04:40] I thought it said 128m... I'll look [04:41] yes, std install req 128m to run live CD, 192 for full install [04:42] nice [04:42] it says for best performance u need 256m [04:43] for some reason I'm at 111% now [04:43] lol did it finish test 8? [04:44] yes.. now re-tesing but has a message... [04:44] ok you're good to reboot and test the cd [04:44] pass complete, no erors [04:44] yes... doing that [04:45] running CD verify now === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [04:46] Mem: 254540k total, 196160k used, 58380k free, 29884k buffers [04:52] test complete. no errors [04:53] back to language select page... [04:53] try again? [04:53] excellent, so now you get to play with boot parameters [04:53] don't know what to do from here [04:53] do I choose english? [04:54] is there a VGA mode install? did it work in Live mode? [04:54] what ever your preferred language is [04:54] did not work in live mode... tried that already [04:54] will choose english [04:54] ok keb here what i did, type zsnes on termnal and it only appears bunch of numers or codes, then i did remove zsnes from terminal with "sudo apt-get remove zsnes" and resinstall it with "sudo apt-get install zsnes" but still doesnt run [04:54] darren8808 did you try live mode with VGA graphics [04:55] oh no... it continued without me.... damn [04:55] if it freezes again... I'll re-boot and try to get back to the option menu again [04:57] keb i typed zsnes execute and appears some things and at the end ERRO OPENING FILE [04:57] luis_ it is probably looking for the name of a game module to play as the first parameter. [04:58] thaats the problm if i cannot open zsnes i wont be able to play the roms [04:58] it worked with ubuntu and mint [04:59] but i have had big issues with those distros and so far xubuntu is workiing fine but this [04:59] luis_ scroll back in the terminal after you run zsnes. i just tried itmyself and it gave me an error message about /dev/input/event6 [04:59] I made it back to the options menu... I'm thinking u want me to use one of the F key options at the bottom? [05:00] ok this dont say anithing like that but it does says this: [05:00] F4 modes? [05:00] darren8808 sure try one to see what other boot optiosn are available [05:00] F6 other options? [05:01] darren8808 you can press each in turn and read the options before any choice is final [05:01] UNable to poll /dev/input/event5 make sure you have read permissions to it and it keeps going with other 5 more lines just changing down o 0 [05:01] luis_ yes that is what i see also [05:01] so what does that mean?? [05:02] ate the nd it only says aborted [05:04] keb - my F4 options are... normal, safe graphics, use driver update CD, OEM install [05:04] so u prob want safe graphics [05:05] sure [05:06] I chose that and the menu just disappeared... but when I did F4 again, safe graphics is highlighted... so, try install again? [05:08] * ball wonders what to install next [05:08] ball : i dont suggest zsnes ;) [05:09] if luis_ comes back, can someone point him to page https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/250425 [05:10] keb - same symptom... status bar runs back and forth for awhile then freezes [05:10] CD stops spinning [05:10] I'm re-booting again [05:11] Is that a Nintendo SNES emulator? [05:12] ball - u talking to me? [05:12] keb. [05:12] ok [05:13] darren8808 ok then next might be booting with --noapic or similar things [05:16] F6 menu has.. acpi=off (default), noapic, nolapic, edd=on, free software only [05:16] yes try the noapic option [05:16] so choose "noapic"? [05:16] Which of these is the American model? http://gc.kombo.com/images/content/specials/snes.jpg [05:17] ball no idea i dont have a snes [05:17] keb: me neither, but I remember seeing a grey import just before they were released in Britain [05:18] I /think/ it was the one with the purple bits. [05:18] * ball shrugs [05:18] this menu is different from the other... it pus an "x" beside the option so I can choose more than one [05:18] I want an N64 just for WipeOut [05:18] darren8808 try them systematically. fraid i can't help you more than that [05:19] ok... trial and error.. [05:19] darren8808 are there any usb devices attached? maybe unplug them first [05:20] I only have one port and nothing plugged in [05:20] darren8808 how long did you wait after the logo freezes, maybe it is doing something that is slow on that old hardware [05:21] you could be right... I was giong by the fact that I had no HD activity and CD spun down.... I will wait longer this time [05:22] 15 minutes is probably sufficient [05:24] ball the only game i play on any computer is Battle for Wesnoth, totally not a twitch action thing ;) [05:25] pong's about my limit. I get eaten by spiders in Tomb Raider. [05:26] I want a PS3, but that's just for Linux purposes. [05:26] darren8808 i used to be able to press Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F2 when logo is showing to get more detailed display of bootup [05:27] it would switch to a scrolling text console [05:27] ok [05:28] sorry mateys, to bed i must go [05:28] keb: sleep well [05:32] ok... I think I've given it enough time... trying again [05:33] this time, I'm removing the wireless card [05:36] reading help stuff about lockups, etc... [05:39] alt-F2 and CTRL-ALT-F2 has no effect [05:40] doing install again with noapic and nolapic checked... [05:41] now... finally... got past the freeze up point [05:41] now have a black screen with "X" cursor [05:42] now I'm to the "Install" window [05:44] choosing keyboard layout... making progress... finally [05:46] I'll let u know if I get stuck again... thanks for ur help [05:47] oops... didn't realize keb was gone... oh well [08:38] hello all [08:39] anyone here today? [08:39] i'm here [08:39] nice [08:39] how are you? [08:39] good :) [08:39] are you in law enforcement? [08:39] um... no. [08:40] ok. [08:40] then do you like Porsches? [08:40] wait, sorry. i get it now. [08:40] have you been an xubuntu user long? [08:42] i kind of flick between *buntus... but i hope to stick with Xubuntu 8.10 for a while, because it's really really good. [08:42] i just booted the live disk on my laptop, looks great, doing an install now [08:42]