| nubae | yo LaserJock | 01:33 |
|---|---|---|
| LaserJock | hi nubae | 01:33 |
| nubae | always end up having to talk to you during weird hours | 01:34 |
| Meshezabeel | what's so weird about the hours? | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | apparently | 01:34 |
| nubae | well, if one assumes that america is not the only place on the planet, u will quickly understand :-) | 01:35 |
| Meshezabeel | what do you mean, they've discovered other places??? | 01:36 |
| nubae | so anyway, I feel like getting stuff done... what should we be working on, oh BDFL | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | "BDFL"? | 01:38 |
| nubae | as an aside the sugar community is depending on us for a ubuntu inclusion solutionn | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | us specifically or the Ubuntu Sugar Team? | 01:41 |
| nubae | including sugar properly in Jaunty is what Imeant | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | right, but are you saying that the Ubuntu Sugar team is gone? | 01:42 |
| nubae | we are currently their saviour... in a a way... so I'm just curious what the ideas are | 01:42 |
| nubae | well... not, not 100% | 01:43 |
| nubae | but I have noticed many members missing | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | I see :( | 01:43 |
| nubae | the question is. do we bring in Sugar, with its flaws and all else and make it a part of edubuntu? | 01:44 |
| nubae | or not | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't think it's quite that black-and-white | 01:45 |
| nubae | pratically it would mean more of us turning the activities we choose to debs | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | we can see if we can get it into Main, if not we shoot for as good of Universe packages as we can manage | 01:45 |
| nubae | I prefer the prior | 01:46 |
| nubae | thought I know it requires work | 01:46 |
| nubae | we make it main. and then decide which activities should also be main | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | just gotta do it | 01:52 |
| nubae | we got a lot of activity happening now for Jaunty | 01:54 |
| nubae | u have an ideas of where we should be-- final? | 01:55 |
| Ahmuck | bring it in on a beta mode | 01:55 |
| Ahmuck | ie, sugar-ng | 01:55 |
| Ahmuck | for sugar next generation | 01:55 |
| nubae | Ahmuck: drive and ambition makes things happen | 01:56 |
| Ahmuck | like scribus does | 01:56 |
| Ahmuck | correct, but you don't want buggy software in a edu suite. once it gets a bad name in an edu institution u may never get it back in | 01:56 |
| Ahmuck | Meshezabeel: they've discovered other planets :) | 01:59 |
| nubae | LaserJock: where should we be going? | 02:00 |
| nubae | u are our project lead.... give us a satisfying answer | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | well, I think we can put an initial effort in | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | if it wraps up well then it's all good | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | if there's still bugs we say it's a preview release and we need testers | 02:02 |
| Ahmuck | agreed. a preview and needs testing | 02:03 |
| Ahmuck | i'll be glad to do testing | 02:03 |
| nubae | but thats still too unspecific... be a bit more specific | 02:03 |
| nubae | give a game plan | 02:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what do we need for the Sugar core? | 02:04 |
| nubae | well whats there now works | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | ok, so we move that into Main | 02:05 |
| nubae | there are missing working dependencies.... like abiword | 02:05 |
| nubae | essential for collaboration | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | well, we do what we can | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | we need to start by listing the specific tasks that need to be done | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | we can then look at how much can be done in Jaunty and go from there | 02:06 |
| nubae | can we fix the abiword stuff before letting sugar go into main? | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | for me right now though Sugar is a rather nebulous thing | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, depends on what it takes to "fix" it | 02:06 |
| nubae | nebulous? | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | people just talk to me about Sugar | 02:07 |
| nubae | ok, let me help u then cause I know... | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | I don't know about it very much but there are quite a few components | 02:07 |
| nubae | ok, so we talk about the components and we understand.... itsnot rocket science | 02:09 |
| * LaserJock would rather sometimes have rocket science ;-) | 02:09 | |
| nubae | lol | 02:10 |
| nubae | so anyway plan is.. | 02:10 |
| nubae | understand /accept core | 02:10 |
| nubae | then choose activities that make sense | 02:10 |
| nubae | right? | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | remember that we can leave a lot in Universe too | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | we could leave the whole thing in Universe if we wanted to but we have room on the CD | 02:11 |
| Ahmuck | nn | 02:14 |
| nubae | right, but I wrote an email with possible apps that could be the future of edubuntu... u should have commented | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | I will comment | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | just been working on some other stuff lately | 02:16 |
| nubae | anyway... What should I be working on now? | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | ok, right | 02:21 |
| * LaserJock notes not to try to hold an IRC conversation while taking a shower | 02:22 | |
| LaserJock | there's 4 important technical tasks as I see it for Jaunty | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | 1) app bundle and metapackage new world order | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | 2) replacement and desired general edu apps | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | 3) Sugar | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | 4) moodle | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | nubae: does that sound about right? | 02:24 |
| nubae | yup i doodle | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | 1 I think I got handled ok so 2,3,4 are up for discussion | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | 2 I think at most we might get 5 apps changed | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | more or less depending on how hard the deps are | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | 3 needs to have somebody more familiar than myself to make up a todo list | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | well Sugra in Main ain't gonna happen for Jaunty | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | 18 MIRs would need to be done | 02:50 |
| nothingman | hi, all | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | hi nothingman | 03:01 |
| nothingman | what's new tonight? | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | not a ton | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | we were discussing Sugar and Jaunty earlier | 03:27 |
| nothingman | oh, really? | 03:35 |
| nothingman | got a link to the log? | 03:35 |
| nothingman | I've been wondering how to integrate Sugar with ltsp | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't think I do | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | nubae has been looking at some of that | 03:36 |
| nothingman | yeah, I read his (long) howto on telepathy and empathy | 03:36 |
| nothingman | not much out there on terms as sugar clients, though | 03:37 |
| nothingman | and the networking dialog within sugar is a bit confusing | 03:38 |
| nothingman | or, at least, I couldn't get two nested sugar-emulator windows to communicate when I had installed empathy/ejabberd | 03:38 |
| nothingman | I would love to boot my (dead HD) laptops from a usb stick with sugar, and use the wireless as mesh | 03:40 |
| nothingman | not that I probably really know what that would entail... | 03:42 |
| * nothingman hears crickets | 03:47 | |
| LaserJock | sorry, a bit distracted presently :-) | 03:51 |
| * LaserJock spams edubuntu-devel and goes to bed | 07:23 | |
| nubae | this channel seems to have less and less people by the day... | 09:21 |
| Nilse | Hi, i would like to discuss about edubuntu | 10:41 |
| Nilse | I dont know what I need, when I want to switch a school to edubuntu from an windows system | 10:46 |
| Diskdoc | Hi! I decided on idly asking around here about the problem with some terminals not starting since Edubuntu Ibex. i thought more people would have had this problem but it hasn't got much attention on the list, just the (older) NFS workaround. | 11:08 |
| Diskdoc | I thought I'd try compiling a more streamlined/tuned kernel for the terminals but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I think I still can do it..used to be a Gentooer :) | 11:09 |
| Diskdoc | "Edubuntu Ibex"..Intrepid Ibex, rather. Sorry, tired as usual.. | 11:10 |
| generalsnus | hi guys. is it possible make a wireless access point with a laptop with x2 wlan cards? as in: recive a wireless signal on wlan card 1.. and have the other wlan card act as a AP.. kinda like a repeater | 12:52 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:58 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| LaserJock | moin all | 16:26 |
| HedgeMage | hi, LaserJock | 16:52 |
| highvoltage | moin Mr Laser and Mrs Hedge | 16:53 |
| HedgeMage | greetings, highvoltage | 16:53 |
| LaserJock | hola highvoltage | 16:53 |
| highvoltage | how are things? | 16:53 |
| * HedgeMage bought *really* good tea on her business trip :) | 16:54 | |
| LaserJock | I just got up | 16:54 |
| * LaserJock is not a morning person | 16:54 | |
| HedgeMage | :) | 16:54 |
| highvoltage | hmm, tea. not a bad idea. | 16:55 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 16:56 |
| * LaserJock is having some blueberry instant oatmeal | 16:57 | |
| LaserJock | I managed to break some things yesterday and had the release manger and cjwatson on my tail ;-) | 17:00 |
| HedgeMage | :o | 17:06 |
| === Ahmuck is now known as Eeyore-Jr | ||
| === Eeyore-Jr is now known as Ahmuck | ||
| Lns | For anyone interested, here's an interesting article about Microsoft's educational initiatives and how afraid they are about GNU/Linux and Openoffice/Staroffice - http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/12/2116230 | 18:50 |
| * Ahmuck re-did the ltsp server this morning | 18:55 | |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: succesfully? | 18:57 |
| Ahmuck | yes, why? | 18:59 |
| sbalneav | ogra: still around? | 18:59 |
| Ahmuck | when i do it that way, i do have to re-create the users | 19:00 |
| Ahmuck | all of them :( | 19:00 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: I thought you were having problems with the network... | 19:00 |
| Ahmuck | ah, yes, and hence the dumping the old ltsp installation | 19:00 |
| Ahmuck | fresh new server, and i'll do testing in a vm from now on | 19:01 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: you didnt back up your passwd/group/etc files? | 19:01 |
| alkisg | I think there are some scripts that you can use to merge the existing users into the new installation. I think also the installer allows you to import them. | 19:01 |
| Lns | Its trivial to put them back after reinstalling | 19:01 |
| alkisg | (I do it manually, copying the entries from /etc/passwd ...) | 19:01 |
| Lns | alkisg: yeah, but dont forget shadow/group/gshadow if applicable | 19:02 |
| Ahmuck | Lns: nope | 19:02 |
| alkisg | Lns, that's what the dots (...) were for! :P :D | 19:03 |
| Ahmuck | i just gave em generic passwords and forced them into new ones the next time they log on | 19:03 |
| Lns | alkisg: oh didnt see that .. heh | 19:03 |
| Ahmuck | would there be a problem? | 19:03 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: what about their user IDs, their documents, settings etc? | 19:04 |
| Ahmuck | ah, i have a seperate /home partition | 19:04 |
| alkisg | If you keep their directories, and create new users with the same names, they'll probably have different IDs | 19:04 |
| Ahmuck | so everything stays intact | 19:04 |
| alkisg | So they won't be able to access their home directories | 19:04 |
| Ahmuck | ack ! | 19:04 |
| Ahmuck | no way of knowing what thier old id's were huh | 19:04 |
| alkisg | You could see the /home folder | 19:05 |
| * Ahmuck scribbles down lesson #1 | 19:05 | |
| Ahmuck | the /home folder would have thier listed id's ? | 19:05 |
| alkisg | ls -n /home | 19:05 |
| Ahmuck | ah, i could sudo chown user:user /home/user_directory | 19:06 |
| Ahmuck | for today | 19:06 |
| alkisg | Well, yes, but what if a users chown'ed a directory to give permission to one of his friends? You'd loose this... | 19:06 |
| Ahmuck | ok | 19:08 |
| Ahmuck | well, that's not happened for sure | 19:08 |
| * Ahmuck goes off to build svn hugin and kdenlive | 19:08 | |
| Ahmuck | the user would need to know how to chowned a directory? | 19:17 |
| alkisg | You need to do this, they won't have access to do it | 19:17 |
| Ahmuck | ah. | 19:17 |
| Ahmuck | so in the future i need to backup /etc/password ... | 19:18 |
| alkisg | Yup! :) | 19:18 |
| Ahmuck | ok. i'll put that in my notes | 19:18 |
| alkisg | How many users do you have? | 19:18 |
| Ahmuck | currently, just test users. about 5 | 19:18 |
| alkisg | OK, try something like this: for f in /home; do chown -R $f:$f /home/$f; done | 19:18 |
| alkisg | But you'd need "sudo su" before this | 19:19 |
| alkisg | Nah, it's wrong, let me fix this... | 19:19 |
| alkisg | This is a little better: cd /home; for f in *; do chown -R $f:$f $f; done | 19:20 |
| Ahmuck | that will fix my current problem?! | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | i guess?! | 19:35 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: I think so... A better script would read /etc/passwd instead of /home to get the users list (so it wouldn't try chown -R lost+found:lost+found lost+found - which will of course fail so there's no problem there) but I think this will work. | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if we should do something with all the debian-edu packages | 19:54 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage, ogra: ping | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: just-about-to-fall-asleep-pong | 20:19 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I need a moderator of edubuntu-devel | 20:20 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: there is a message from Launchpad I need to have | 20:21 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: want the message or want it moderated? | 20:21 |
| LaserJock | I want it forwarded to me | 20:21 |
| highvoltage | ok | 20:21 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: there aren't any | 20:23 |
| highvoltage | (no messages from LP) | 20:23 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: really? :( | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | yep | 20:24 |
| LaserJock | in edubuntu-devel? | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | yes | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | there are just 7 spam messages | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ah, wait. non-subscriber messages are auto-discarded | 20:24 |
| LaserJock | bah | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | one moment... | 20:25 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: it's changed to "hold", if you could let launchpad resend it | 20:26 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ok, just hit the button | 20:27 |
| highvoltage | is it mantha@ubuntu.com or laserjock@ubuntu.com? I have both in my address book | 20:29 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock | 20:29 |
| LaserJock | laserjock | 20:29 |
| highvoltage | ok | 20:30 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: got it? | 20:30 |
| LaserJock | yep | 20:33 |
| nubae | hey greets | 22:53 |
| nubae | did I miss anything? | 22:55 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, did I? | 22:56 |
| Lns | nubae: yo | 23:08 |
| Lns | you can always view the logs.... ;) | 23:08 |
| nubae | hi Lns | 23:09 |
| Lns | I dont think you missed much | 23:10 |
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