[01:33] <nubae> yo LaserJock
[01:33] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[01:34] <nubae> always end up having to talk to you during weird hours
[01:34] <Meshezabeel> what's so weird about the hours?
[01:34] <LaserJock> apparently
[01:35] <nubae> well, if one assumes that america is not the only place on the planet, u will quickly understand :-)
[01:36] <Meshezabeel> what do you mean, they've discovered other places???
[01:37] <nubae> so anyway, I feel like getting stuff done... what should we be working on, oh BDFL
[01:38] <LaserJock> "BDFL"?
[01:39] <nubae> as an aside the sugar community is depending on us for a ubuntu inclusion solutionn
[01:41] <LaserJock> us specifically or the  Ubuntu Sugar Team?
[01:41] <nubae> including sugar properly in Jaunty is what Imeant
[01:42] <LaserJock> right, but are you saying that the Ubuntu Sugar team is gone?
[01:42] <nubae> we are currently their saviour... in a a way... so I'm just curious what the ideas are
[01:43] <nubae> well... not, not 100%
[01:43] <nubae> but I have noticed many members missing
[01:43] <LaserJock> I see :(
[01:44] <nubae> the question is. do we bring in Sugar, with its flaws and all else and make it a part of edubuntu?
[01:44] <nubae> or not
[01:45] <LaserJock> well, I don't think it's quite that black-and-white
[01:45] <nubae> pratically it would mean more of us turning the activities we choose to debs
[01:45] <LaserJock> we can see if we can get it into Main, if not we shoot for as good of Universe packages as we can manage
[01:46] <nubae> I prefer the prior
[01:46] <nubae> thought I know it requires work
[01:47] <nubae> we make it main. and then decide which activities should also be main
[01:52] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:52] <LaserJock> just gotta do it
[01:54] <nubae> we got a lot of activity happening now for Jaunty
[01:55] <nubae> u have an ideas of where we should be-- final?
[01:55] <Ahmuck> bring it in on a beta mode
[01:55] <Ahmuck> ie, sugar-ng
[01:55] <Ahmuck> for sugar next generation
[01:56] <nubae> Ahmuck: drive and ambition makes things happen
[01:56] <Ahmuck> like scribus does
[01:56] <Ahmuck> correct, but you don't want buggy software in a edu suite.  once it gets a bad name in an edu institution u may never get it back in
[01:59] <Ahmuck> Meshezabeel: they've discovered other planets :)
[02:00] <nubae> LaserJock: where should we be going?
[02:01] <nubae> u are our project lead.... give us a satisfying answer
[02:02] <LaserJock> well, I think we can put an initial effort in
[02:02] <LaserJock> if it wraps up well then it's all good
[02:02] <LaserJock> if there's still bugs we say it's a preview release and we need testers
[02:03] <Ahmuck> agreed.  a preview and needs testing
[02:03] <Ahmuck> i'll be glad to do testing
[02:03] <nubae> but thats still too unspecific... be a bit more specific
[02:03] <nubae> give a game plan
[02:04] <LaserJock> ok, so what do we need for the Sugar core?
[02:04] <nubae> well whats there now works
[02:05] <LaserJock> ok, so we move that into Main
[02:05] <nubae> there are missing working dependencies.... like abiword
[02:05] <nubae> essential for collaboration
[02:05] <LaserJock> well, we do what we can
[02:06] <LaserJock> we need to start by listing the specific tasks that need to be done
[02:06] <LaserJock> we can then look at how much can be done in Jaunty and go from there
[02:06] <nubae> can we fix the abiword stuff before letting sugar go into main?
[02:06] <LaserJock> for me right now though Sugar is a rather nebulous thing
[02:06] <LaserJock> I don't know, depends on what it takes to "fix" it
[02:06] <nubae> nebulous?
[02:07] <LaserJock> people just talk to me about Sugar
[02:07] <nubae> ok, let me help u then cause I know...
[02:07] <LaserJock> I don't know about it very much but there are quite a few components
[02:09] <nubae> ok, so we talk about the components and we understand.... itsnot rocket science
[02:09]  * LaserJock would rather sometimes have rocket science ;-)
[02:10] <nubae> lol
[02:10] <nubae> so anyway plan is..
[02:10] <nubae> understand /accept core
[02:10] <nubae> then choose activities that make sense
[02:11] <nubae> right?
[02:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:11] <LaserJock> remember that we can leave a lot in Universe too
[02:11] <LaserJock> we could leave the whole thing in Universe if we wanted to but we have room on the CD
[02:14] <Ahmuck> nn
[02:14] <nubae> right, but I wrote an email with possible apps that could be the future of edubuntu... u should have commented
[02:15] <LaserJock> I will comment
[02:16] <LaserJock> just been working on some other stuff lately
[02:18] <nubae> anyway... What should I be working on now?
[02:21] <LaserJock> ok, right
[02:22]  * LaserJock notes not to try to hold an IRC conversation while taking a shower
[02:23] <LaserJock> there's 4 important technical tasks as I see it for Jaunty
[02:23] <LaserJock> 1) app bundle and metapackage new world order
[02:23] <LaserJock> 2) replacement and desired general edu apps
[02:23] <LaserJock> 3) Sugar
[02:23] <LaserJock> 4) moodle
[02:24] <LaserJock> nubae: does that sound about right?
[02:29] <nubae> yup i doodle
[02:30] <LaserJock> 1 I think I got handled ok so 2,3,4 are up for discussion
[02:30] <LaserJock> 2 I think at most we might get 5 apps changed
[02:31] <LaserJock> more or less depending on how hard the deps are
[02:31] <LaserJock> 3 needs to have somebody more familiar than myself to make up a todo list
[02:49] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:49] <LaserJock> well Sugra in Main ain't gonna happen for Jaunty
[02:50] <LaserJock> 18 MIRs would need to be done
[03:00] <nothingman> hi, all
[03:01] <LaserJock> hi nothingman
[03:24] <nothingman> what's new tonight?
[03:26] <LaserJock> not a ton
[03:27] <LaserJock> we were discussing Sugar and Jaunty earlier
[03:35] <nothingman> oh, really?
[03:35] <nothingman> got a link to the log?
[03:36] <nothingman> I've been wondering how to integrate Sugar with ltsp
[03:36] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think I do
[03:36] <LaserJock> nubae has been looking at some of that
[03:36] <nothingman> yeah, I read his (long) howto on telepathy and empathy
[03:37] <nothingman> not much out there on terms as sugar clients, though
[03:38] <nothingman> and the networking dialog within sugar is a bit confusing
[03:38] <nothingman> or, at least, I couldn't get two nested sugar-emulator windows to communicate when I had installed empathy/ejabberd
[03:40] <nothingman> I would love to boot my (dead HD) laptops from a usb stick with sugar, and use the wireless as mesh
[03:42] <nothingman> not that I probably really know what that would entail...
[03:47]  * nothingman hears crickets
[03:51] <LaserJock> sorry, a bit distracted presently :-)
[07:23]  * LaserJock spams edubuntu-devel and goes to bed
[09:21] <nubae> this channel seems to have less and less people by the day...
[10:41] <Nilse> Hi, i would like to discuss about edubuntu
[10:46] <Nilse> I dont know what I need, when I want to switch a school to edubuntu from an windows system
[11:08] <Diskdoc> Hi! I decided on idly asking around here about the problem with some terminals not starting since Edubuntu Ibex. i thought more people would have had this problem but it hasn't got much attention on the list, just the (older) NFS workaround.
[11:09] <Diskdoc> I thought I'd try compiling a more streamlined/tuned kernel for the terminals but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I think I still can do it..used to be a Gentooer :)
[11:10] <Diskdoc> "Edubuntu Ibex"..Intrepid Ibex, rather. Sorry, tired as usual..
[12:52] <generalsnus> hi guys. is it possible make a wireless access point with a laptop with x2 wlan cards? as in: recive a wireless signal on wlan card 1.. and have the other wlan card act as a AP.. kinda like a repeater
[14:58] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:26] <LaserJock> moin all
[16:52] <HedgeMage> hi, LaserJock
[16:53] <highvoltage> moin Mr Laser and Mrs Hedge
[16:53] <HedgeMage> greetings, highvoltage
[16:53] <LaserJock> hola highvoltage
[16:53] <highvoltage> how are things?
[16:54]  * HedgeMage bought *really* good tea on her business trip :)
[16:54] <LaserJock> I just got up
[16:54]  * LaserJock is not a morning person
[16:54] <HedgeMage> :)
[16:55] <highvoltage> hmm, tea. not a bad idea.
[16:56] <HedgeMage> :)
[16:57]  * LaserJock is having some blueberry instant oatmeal
[17:00] <LaserJock> I managed to break some things yesterday and had the release manger and cjwatson on my tail ;-)
[17:06] <HedgeMage> :o
[18:50] <Lns> For anyone interested, here's an interesting article about Microsoft's educational initiatives and how afraid they are about GNU/Linux and Openoffice/Staroffice - http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/12/2116230
[18:55]  * Ahmuck re-did the ltsp server this morning
[18:57] <alkisg> Ahmuck: succesfully?
[18:59] <Ahmuck> yes, why?
[18:59] <sbalneav> ogra: still around?
[19:00] <Ahmuck> when i do it that way, i do have to  re-create the users
[19:00] <Ahmuck> all of them :(
[19:00] <alkisg> Ahmuck: I thought you were having problems with the network...
[19:00] <Ahmuck> ah, yes, and hence the dumping the old ltsp installation
[19:01] <Ahmuck> fresh new server, and i'll do testing in a vm from now on
[19:01] <Lns> Ahmuck: you didnt back up your passwd/group/etc files?
[19:01] <alkisg> I think there are some scripts that you can use to merge the existing users into the new installation. I think also the installer allows you to import them.
[19:01] <Lns> Its trivial to put them back after reinstalling
[19:01] <alkisg> (I do it manually, copying the entries from /etc/passwd ...)
[19:02] <Lns> alkisg: yeah, but dont forget shadow/group/gshadow if applicable
[19:02] <Ahmuck> Lns: nope
[19:03] <alkisg> Lns, that's what the dots (...) were for! :P :D
[19:03] <Ahmuck> i just gave em generic passwords and forced them into new ones the next time they log on
[19:03] <Lns> alkisg: oh didnt see that .. heh
[19:03] <Ahmuck> would there be a problem?
[19:04] <alkisg> Ahmuck: what about their user IDs, their documents, settings etc?
[19:04] <Ahmuck> ah, i have a seperate /home partition
[19:04] <alkisg> If you keep their directories, and create new users with the same names, they'll probably have different IDs
[19:04] <Ahmuck> so everything stays intact
[19:04] <alkisg> So they won't be able to access their home directories
[19:04] <Ahmuck> ack !
[19:04] <Ahmuck> no way of knowing what thier old id's were huh
[19:05] <alkisg> You could see the /home folder
[19:05]  * Ahmuck scribbles down lesson #1
[19:05] <Ahmuck> the /home folder would have thier listed id's ?
[19:05] <alkisg> ls -n /home
[19:06] <Ahmuck> ah, i could sudo chown  user:user /home/user_directory
[19:06] <Ahmuck> for today
[19:06] <alkisg> Well, yes, but what if a users chown'ed a directory to give permission to one of his friends? You'd loose this...
[19:08] <Ahmuck> ok
[19:08] <Ahmuck> well, that's not happened for sure
[19:08]  * Ahmuck goes off to build svn hugin and kdenlive
[19:17] <Ahmuck> the user would need to know how to chowned a directory?
[19:17] <alkisg> You need to do this, they won't have access to do it
[19:17] <Ahmuck> ah.
[19:18] <Ahmuck> so in the future i need to backup /etc/password ...
[19:18] <alkisg> Yup! :)
[19:18] <Ahmuck> ok.  i'll put that in my notes
[19:18] <alkisg> How many users do you have?
[19:18] <Ahmuck> currently, just test users.  about 5
[19:18] <alkisg> OK, try something like this:  for f in /home; do chown -R $f:$f /home/$f; done
[19:19] <alkisg> But you'd need "sudo su" before this
[19:19] <alkisg> Nah, it's wrong, let me fix this...
[19:20] <alkisg> This is a little better: cd /home; for f in *; do chown -R $f:$f $f; done
[19:35] <Ahmuck> that will fix my current problem?!
[19:35] <Ahmuck> i guess?!
[19:41] <alkisg> Ahmuck: I think so... A better script would read /etc/passwd instead of /home to get the users list (so it wouldn't try chown -R lost+found:lost+found lost+found - which will of course fail so there's no problem there) but I think this will work.
[19:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if we should do something with all the debian-edu packages
[20:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage, ogra: ping
[20:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just-about-to-fall-asleep-pong
[20:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I need a moderator of edubuntu-devel
[20:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: there is a message from Launchpad I need to have
[20:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: want the message or want it moderated?
[20:21] <LaserJock> I want it forwarded to me
[20:21] <highvoltage> ok
[20:23] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there aren't any
[20:23] <highvoltage> (no messages from LP)
[20:24] <LaserJock> highvoltage: really? :(
[20:24] <highvoltage> yep
[20:24] <LaserJock> in edubuntu-devel?
[20:24] <highvoltage> yes
[20:24] <highvoltage> there are just 7 spam messages
[20:24] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ah, wait. non-subscriber messages are auto-discarded
[20:24] <LaserJock> bah
[20:25] <highvoltage> one moment...
[20:26] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's changed to "hold", if you could let launchpad resend it
[20:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, just hit the button
[20:29] <highvoltage> is it mantha@ubuntu.com or laserjock@ubuntu.com? I have both in my address book
[20:29] <highvoltage> LaserJock
[20:29] <LaserJock> laserjock
[20:30] <highvoltage> ok
[20:30] <highvoltage> LaserJock: got it?
[20:33] <LaserJock> yep
[22:53] <nubae> hey greets
[22:55] <nubae> did I miss anything?
[22:56] <LaserJock> I don't know, did I?
[23:08] <Lns> nubae: yo
[23:08] <Lns> you can always view the logs.... ;)
[23:09] <nubae> hi Lns
[23:10] <Lns> I dont think you missed much