[01:33] yo LaserJock [01:33] hi nubae [01:34] always end up having to talk to you during weird hours [01:34] what's so weird about the hours? [01:34] apparently [01:35] well, if one assumes that america is not the only place on the planet, u will quickly understand :-) [01:36] what do you mean, they've discovered other places??? [01:37] so anyway, I feel like getting stuff done... what should we be working on, oh BDFL [01:38] "BDFL"? [01:39] as an aside the sugar community is depending on us for a ubuntu inclusion solutionn [01:41] us specifically or the Ubuntu Sugar Team? [01:41] including sugar properly in Jaunty is what Imeant [01:42] right, but are you saying that the Ubuntu Sugar team is gone? [01:42] we are currently their saviour... in a a way... so I'm just curious what the ideas are [01:43] well... not, not 100% [01:43] but I have noticed many members missing [01:43] I see :( [01:44] the question is. do we bring in Sugar, with its flaws and all else and make it a part of edubuntu? [01:44] or not [01:45] well, I don't think it's quite that black-and-white [01:45] pratically it would mean more of us turning the activities we choose to debs [01:45] we can see if we can get it into Main, if not we shoot for as good of Universe packages as we can manage [01:46] I prefer the prior [01:46] thought I know it requires work [01:47] we make it main. and then decide which activities should also be main [01:52] yeah [01:52] just gotta do it [01:54] we got a lot of activity happening now for Jaunty [01:55] u have an ideas of where we should be-- final? [01:55] bring it in on a beta mode [01:55] ie, sugar-ng [01:55] for sugar next generation [01:56] Ahmuck: drive and ambition makes things happen [01:56] like scribus does [01:56] correct, but you don't want buggy software in a edu suite. once it gets a bad name in an edu institution u may never get it back in [01:59] Meshezabeel: they've discovered other planets :) [02:00] LaserJock: where should we be going? [02:01] u are our project lead.... give us a satisfying answer [02:02] well, I think we can put an initial effort in [02:02] if it wraps up well then it's all good [02:02] if there's still bugs we say it's a preview release and we need testers [02:03] agreed. a preview and needs testing [02:03] i'll be glad to do testing [02:03] but thats still too unspecific... be a bit more specific [02:03] give a game plan [02:04] ok, so what do we need for the Sugar core? [02:04] well whats there now works [02:05] ok, so we move that into Main [02:05] there are missing working dependencies.... like abiword [02:05] essential for collaboration [02:05] well, we do what we can [02:06] we need to start by listing the specific tasks that need to be done [02:06] we can then look at how much can be done in Jaunty and go from there [02:06] can we fix the abiword stuff before letting sugar go into main? [02:06] for me right now though Sugar is a rather nebulous thing [02:06] I don't know, depends on what it takes to "fix" it [02:06] nebulous? [02:07] people just talk to me about Sugar [02:07] ok, let me help u then cause I know... [02:07] I don't know about it very much but there are quite a few components [02:09] ok, so we talk about the components and we understand.... itsnot rocket science [02:09] * LaserJock would rather sometimes have rocket science ;-) [02:10] lol [02:10] so anyway plan is.. [02:10] understand /accept core [02:10] then choose activities that make sense [02:11] right? [02:11] yeah [02:11] remember that we can leave a lot in Universe too [02:11] we could leave the whole thing in Universe if we wanted to but we have room on the CD [02:14] nn [02:14] right, but I wrote an email with possible apps that could be the future of edubuntu... u should have commented [02:15] I will comment [02:16] just been working on some other stuff lately [02:18] anyway... What should I be working on now? [02:21] ok, right [02:22] * LaserJock notes not to try to hold an IRC conversation while taking a shower [02:23] there's 4 important technical tasks as I see it for Jaunty [02:23] 1) app bundle and metapackage new world order [02:23] 2) replacement and desired general edu apps [02:23] 3) Sugar [02:23] 4) moodle [02:24] nubae: does that sound about right? [02:29] yup i doodle [02:30] 1 I think I got handled ok so 2,3,4 are up for discussion [02:30] 2 I think at most we might get 5 apps changed [02:31] more or less depending on how hard the deps are [02:31] 3 needs to have somebody more familiar than myself to make up a todo list [02:49] hmm [02:49] well Sugra in Main ain't gonna happen for Jaunty [02:50] 18 MIRs would need to be done [03:00] hi, all [03:01] hi nothingman [03:24] what's new tonight? [03:26] not a ton [03:27] we were discussing Sugar and Jaunty earlier [03:35] oh, really? [03:35] got a link to the log? [03:36] I've been wondering how to integrate Sugar with ltsp [03:36] hmm, I don't think I do [03:36] nubae has been looking at some of that [03:36] yeah, I read his (long) howto on telepathy and empathy [03:37] not much out there on terms as sugar clients, though [03:38] and the networking dialog within sugar is a bit confusing [03:38] or, at least, I couldn't get two nested sugar-emulator windows to communicate when I had installed empathy/ejabberd [03:40] I would love to boot my (dead HD) laptops from a usb stick with sugar, and use the wireless as mesh [03:42] not that I probably really know what that would entail... [03:47] * nothingman hears crickets [03:51] sorry, a bit distracted presently :-) [07:23] * LaserJock spams edubuntu-devel and goes to bed [09:21] this channel seems to have less and less people by the day... [10:41] Hi, i would like to discuss about edubuntu [10:46] I dont know what I need, when I want to switch a school to edubuntu from an windows system [11:08] Hi! I decided on idly asking around here about the problem with some terminals not starting since Edubuntu Ibex. i thought more people would have had this problem but it hasn't got much attention on the list, just the (older) NFS workaround. [11:09] I thought I'd try compiling a more streamlined/tuned kernel for the terminals but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I think I still can do it..used to be a Gentooer :) [11:10] "Edubuntu Ibex"..Intrepid Ibex, rather. Sorry, tired as usual.. [12:52] hi guys. is it possible make a wireless access point with a laptop with x2 wlan cards? as in: recive a wireless signal on wlan card 1.. and have the other wlan card act as a AP.. kinda like a repeater [14:58] Morning all === ogra_ is now known as ogra [16:26] moin all [16:52] hi, LaserJock [16:53] moin Mr Laser and Mrs Hedge [16:53] greetings, highvoltage [16:53] hola highvoltage [16:53] how are things? [16:54] * HedgeMage bought *really* good tea on her business trip :) [16:54] I just got up [16:54] * LaserJock is not a morning person [16:54] :) [16:55] hmm, tea. not a bad idea. [16:56] :) [16:57] * LaserJock is having some blueberry instant oatmeal [17:00] I managed to break some things yesterday and had the release manger and cjwatson on my tail ;-) [17:06] :o === Ahmuck is now known as Eeyore-Jr === Eeyore-Jr is now known as Ahmuck [18:50] For anyone interested, here's an interesting article about Microsoft's educational initiatives and how afraid they are about GNU/Linux and Openoffice/Staroffice - http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/12/2116230 [18:55] * Ahmuck re-did the ltsp server this morning [18:57] Ahmuck: succesfully? [18:59] yes, why? [18:59] ogra: still around? [19:00] when i do it that way, i do have to re-create the users [19:00] all of them :( [19:00] Ahmuck: I thought you were having problems with the network... [19:00] ah, yes, and hence the dumping the old ltsp installation [19:01] fresh new server, and i'll do testing in a vm from now on [19:01] Ahmuck: you didnt back up your passwd/group/etc files? [19:01] I think there are some scripts that you can use to merge the existing users into the new installation. I think also the installer allows you to import them. [19:01] Its trivial to put them back after reinstalling [19:01] (I do it manually, copying the entries from /etc/passwd ...) [19:02] alkisg: yeah, but dont forget shadow/group/gshadow if applicable [19:02] Lns: nope [19:03] Lns, that's what the dots (...) were for! :P :D [19:03] i just gave em generic passwords and forced them into new ones the next time they log on [19:03] alkisg: oh didnt see that .. heh [19:03] would there be a problem? [19:04] Ahmuck: what about their user IDs, their documents, settings etc? [19:04] ah, i have a seperate /home partition [19:04] If you keep their directories, and create new users with the same names, they'll probably have different IDs [19:04] so everything stays intact [19:04] So they won't be able to access their home directories [19:04] ack ! [19:04] no way of knowing what thier old id's were huh [19:05] You could see the /home folder [19:05] * Ahmuck scribbles down lesson #1 [19:05] the /home folder would have thier listed id's ? [19:05] ls -n /home [19:06] ah, i could sudo chown user:user /home/user_directory [19:06] for today [19:06] Well, yes, but what if a users chown'ed a directory to give permission to one of his friends? You'd loose this... [19:08] ok [19:08] well, that's not happened for sure [19:08] * Ahmuck goes off to build svn hugin and kdenlive [19:17] the user would need to know how to chowned a directory? [19:17] You need to do this, they won't have access to do it [19:17] ah. [19:18] so in the future i need to backup /etc/password ... [19:18] Yup! :) [19:18] ok. i'll put that in my notes [19:18] How many users do you have? [19:18] currently, just test users. about 5 [19:18] OK, try something like this: for f in /home; do chown -R $f:$f /home/$f; done [19:19] But you'd need "sudo su" before this [19:19] Nah, it's wrong, let me fix this... [19:20] This is a little better: cd /home; for f in *; do chown -R $f:$f $f; done [19:35] that will fix my current problem?! [19:35] i guess?! [19:41] Ahmuck: I think so... A better script would read /etc/passwd instead of /home to get the users list (so it wouldn't try chown -R lost+found:lost+found lost+found - which will of course fail so there's no problem there) but I think this will work. [19:54] hmm, I wonder if we should do something with all the debian-edu packages [20:19] highvoltage, ogra: ping [20:19] LaserJock: just-about-to-fall-asleep-pong [20:20] highvoltage: I need a moderator of edubuntu-devel [20:21] highvoltage: there is a message from Launchpad I need to have [20:21] LaserJock: want the message or want it moderated? [20:21] I want it forwarded to me [20:21] ok [20:23] LaserJock: there aren't any [20:23] (no messages from LP) [20:24] highvoltage: really? :( [20:24] yep [20:24] in edubuntu-devel? [20:24] yes [20:24] there are just 7 spam messages [20:24] LaserJock: ah, wait. non-subscriber messages are auto-discarded [20:24] bah [20:25] one moment... [20:26] LaserJock: it's changed to "hold", if you could let launchpad resend it [20:27] highvoltage: ok, just hit the button [20:29] is it mantha@ubuntu.com or laserjock@ubuntu.com? I have both in my address book [20:29] LaserJock [20:29] laserjock [20:30] ok [20:30] LaserJock: got it? [20:33] yep [22:53] hey greets [22:55] did I miss anything? [22:56] I don't know, did I? [23:08] nubae: yo [23:08] you can always view the logs.... ;) [23:09] hi Lns [23:10] I dont think you missed much