[00:00] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: he went to bed
[00:00] <Nightrose> can I help you?
[00:00] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: ah, ah well.
[00:01] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: was just going to talk about what stuff was there for archive admin, but it can wait
[00:01] <Nightrose> alright :)
[00:02] <nhandler> Hobbsee: Just out of curiosity, how did you become an archive admin? Same way you became a core-dev ;)
[00:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[00:03] <Hobbsee> nhandler: it was found to be a requirement as part of being on the release team.
[00:04] <nhandler> Interesting. I didn't know that requirement existed
[00:06] <Hobbsee> well, it was while we actually did hard freezes
[00:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, ping
[00:49] <Nightrose> NCommander: he's in bed
[01:00] <NCommander> ScottK, thanks for your comments on my core dev app
[01:15] <astromme_> Are there plans for jaunty to have 4.2RC or are you guys waiting until 4.2 final?
[01:17] <vorian> astromme_: yes the RC will be released on schedule
[01:18] <astromme_> vorian: Excellent, good to hear. I'm excited and it will be good to be able to build kdevelop again.
[01:18] <vorian> :)
[01:19] <astromme_> Ohh, exciting, RC1 is due out tomorrow
[01:20] <vorian> :)
[01:44] <ryanakca> Ewww... I'm using dapper as a rescue disk... looks... tacky... compared to KDE4 :)
[01:44] <nhandler> ryanakca: Why not use a more recent live cd?
[01:45] <ryanakca> nhandler: because I'm not sure if I have any other live cds burned (I have a tendency of not labelling things)... and I'd rather just take the shipit cd than go through the spindle...
[01:45] <ryanakca> Anyways, all I need is fdisk
[01:46] <nhandler> Whenever a new (K)Ubuntu is released, I order it from shipit. That way, I have a pretty copy
[01:46] <ryanakca> nhandler: I ordered a CD... but... I never received it... :/
[01:47] <nhandler> When did you order it?
[01:47]  * ryanakca checks
[01:49] <ryanakca> nhandler: hmm... didn't order any intrepid, but, for 8.06, 1 CDs requested on 2008-06-26. This request was not approved, so no CDs were shipped.
[01:50] <astromme_> I ordered an intrepid cd, came about a month ago (took a month)
[01:51] <astromme_> I go to college in Philadelphia, so I had it sent there... worked just fine
[01:51]  * nhandler just accidentally uploaded to Ubuntu instead of PPA f***
[01:57] <ScottK> nhandler: I did that in Main during a freeze once.  Set you default dput target to something nonsensical so you always have to specify.
[01:58] <nhandler> ScottK: I just did that. The worst part is that the package just FTBFS. I think I know the issue. I'll test the fix in my ppa and then reupload
[02:07] <nhandler> This is funny. Yesterday, the lpia ppa buildd was taking forever to get to my packages. Today, it is building them faster than i386 and amd64
[02:07] <vorian> ha
[02:08] <nhandler> Good news is that I only have a few more packages to backport
[02:08] <nhandler> Should I backport l10n?
[02:23] <nixternal> ok, I want to get a proper count of hard drives on a machine and it needs to scale, so no counting /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* and such...what is the best way?
[02:23] <nixternal> drives could either be sata, scsi, sas, and who know what the future holds
[02:23] <nixternal> does linux now place all info under /proc/scsci/ ?
[02:23] <nixternal> no matter the drive type?
[02:37] <jjesse> nixternal: finally got to your blogs re; netbook, i love my dell mini 9 and i hack away at ubuntu-docs all the time on it
[02:37] <jjesse> nixternal and have no problem iwth the keyboard
[02:37] <nixternal> I have tried the mini 9, keyboard sucks for me
[02:37] <nixternal> right now Samsung and HP have the best keyboards for my 2 slabs of meat at the end of my arms
[02:37] <jjesse> really?  i enjoy the keyboard, works great for me
[02:37] <jjesse> lol at slabs of meat
[02:39] <vorian> ha
[02:39] <jjesse> just updating vm of jaunty, wow there are a lot of updates, including a ton of new packages installed
[02:40] <vorian> don't install anything!!1111one
[02:40] <vorian> give it another 12 hours or so
[02:42] <jjesse> vorian; too late i think :)
[02:42] <vorian> oh boy
[02:42] <jjesse> hrmm was just downloading still
[02:42] <jjesse> canceled the download
[02:42] <vorian> i think most of the x86 has passed though
[02:42] <jjesse> lots of issues in jaunty?
[02:42] <jjesse> ok i'll wait :)
[02:42] <vorian> no, 4.1.96 is about half way finished building
[02:42] <vorian> :)
[02:43] <jjesse> ah then i'll wait
[02:43] <vorian> oh yeah, you'd be in big trouble
[02:43] <vorian> kde4bindings is still building for 386
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: no, we don't generally backport l10n packages. There are like 40 of them :S
[02:44] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I also learned why bindings built so easily, it was an older version ;)
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:44] <nhandler> Yeah, I noticed once I started getting a few FTBFS
[02:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Uploaded kde3bindings, so please accept into Universe when you get a chance.
[02:55] <ScottK> NCommander: You're welcome.
[02:56] <ScottK> btw, /me plays Uno too.
[02:56] <NCommander> ScottK, Uno?
[02:57] <ScottK> It came up earlier in the day.
[02:57] <ScottK> Card game.
[02:57]  * ScottK just got done with 11 hours of backscroll.
[02:57] <NCommander> heh
[02:57]  * nhandler notes there is ##uno
[02:58] <ScottK> jpds: Why didn't you ack Ardour for Hardy too?
[02:58] <jjesse> wow ScottK you read all 11 hours of backscroll
[02:58] <jjesse> that's amazing
[02:58] <ScottK> Anyone know if we managed to stuff the late breaking konqmimedata.cpp patch into our 4.1.4 packages?
[02:59]  * ScottK confesses to skimming some parts.
[02:59] <jjesse> still wow
[02:59]  * ScottK got hilighted enough he had to look at most of it for context.
[02:59]  * ScottK reads fast too.
[03:16] <ScottK> BTW, I think I've cleared Jaunty of stuff that doesn't work with Amarok 2.
[03:16] <nhandler> :D
[03:16]  * ScottK notices he blew right by NCommander on UTU in the process.
[03:17] <nhandler> Is UTU up right now?
[03:17] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:17] <ScottK> New URL.
[03:17] <nhandler> What is it?
[03:18] <ScottK> http://thc.emgent.org/utu/utu_jaunty.php
[03:19] <nhandler> I'm going to suggest that they add the UTU to the hall-of-fame
[03:19] <ScottK> What happened to uploading 4.1.4?
[03:19] <vorian> it was uploaded earlier today
[03:19] <ScottK> nhandler: I've suggested it to emgent before.
[03:19] <ScottK> Just not accepted yet, I guess.
[03:19] <vorian> right
[03:20] <vorian> 12pm est
[03:20] <nhandler> ScottK: Why to emgent? Go to jono or whoever is doing HoF
[03:20]  * nhandler notes that that is how he got REVU added
[03:20] <ScottK> Because emgent would either have to hand over the code of make UTU actually reliable.
[03:20] <jjesse> what is utu?
[03:20] <ScottK> Up for 1 day in 7 doesn't do it.
[03:20] <jjesse> netowrk time out of me
[03:20] <ScottK> Ubuntu Top Uploaders
[03:20] <jjesse> ah
[03:20] <ScottK> http://thc.emgent.org/utu/utu_jaunty.php
[03:21] <nhandler> ScottK: True, the uptime would be an issue. But the code is very simple. norsetto gave me his old version. I then ported it to perl
[03:21] <nhandler> It is very similar to what emgent is running
[03:21] <ScottK> OK.
[03:22] <ScottK> ported/obfuscated, but yeah.
[03:22] <ScottK> Converting to Perl is by definition obfuscating.
[03:22] <nhandler> ScottK: In this case, the perl is about as obfuscated as its python equivalent
[03:23] <ScottK> That can happen.
[03:23] <ScottK> The difference is in Python you have to work to make it obfuscated and in Perl you have to work to make it clear.
[03:24] <ScottK> Mind you, you might have said PHP and then I'd just have to be ill.
[03:25] <nhandler> Well, lucky for you, I don't use PHP
[03:28] <NCommander> ScottK, **** ;-P
[03:28] <ScottK> nhandler: No.  I'd say lucky for you too.
[03:28] <ScottK> NCommander: Got kde4ilbs on armel fixed yet?
[03:29] <NCommander> No
[03:29] <NCommander> My ARM board is about to go flying out the nearest window at the rate I'm going :-P
[03:29] <ScottK> Please fix, then throw after.
[03:30] <NCommander> ScottK, bug apachelogger for me to comment on my core dev application
[03:30] <ScottK> OK.
[03:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Comment on NCommander's core-dev application.
[03:30] <nhandler> Did apachelogger already comment on it?
[03:30] <NCommander> Nope
[03:31] <NCommander> Part of the reason why its stalle
[03:31] <ScottK> We're in the follow-up section anyway.
[03:31] <NCommander> *stalled
[03:31] <NCommander> Maybe in retrospect it wasn't the best idea to apply over christmas
[03:31] <ScottK> NCommander: Kirkland applied in October.  He's still not core-dev.
[03:31] <NCommander> Did we become Debian NM and no one told me?
[03:31] <nhandler> ScottK: Isn't that why the MOTU Council is working on improving the process?
[03:32]  * NCommander notes he still hasn't used his DD uploading powers yet
[03:32] <ScottK> Oooh.
[03:32] <NCommander> crao
[03:32] <NCommander> *crap
[03:32] <NCommander> shouldn't have said that
[03:32] <ScottK> NCommander: Sponsor an NMU for me?
[03:32] <NCommander> ScottK, let me guess? A little roll reversal :-)?
[03:32] <NCommander> ScottK, bug?
[03:32] <nhandler> NCommander: Did you ever get a chance to look at that package again for me?
[03:32] <NCommander> nhandler, no
[03:32] <ScottK> NCommander: I didn't write the NMU fix yet.
[03:33] <NCommander> kinda slipped off the radar
[03:33] <nhandler> Ok, np
[03:33] <ScottK> It won't take long.
[03:33] <NCommander> ScottK, yesh, at least I only bug you for sponsoring when I have the fix already :-P
[03:33]  * NCommander is shot
[03:33]  * ScottK hands NCommander a band-aid
[03:33] <NCommander> lol
[03:33] <NCommander> I can apperiate the irony that I have to sponsor you.
[03:33] <NCommander> Just rewards and all that.
[03:34] <ScottK> NCommander: I've sponsored my AM in Ubuntu, so it all goes around.
[03:34] <NCommander> whats the NMU?
[03:34]  * ScottK looks for the bug
[03:34] <NCommander> (or which maintainer am I going to be pissing off)
[03:34] <ScottK> No one important.
[03:35]  * NCommander installs KDE's build deps
[03:35] <ScottK> NCommander: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511037
[03:36] <ScottK> python-dkim is mine and the dkimproxy upstream just came back and gave the OK to rename stuff in dkimproxy
[03:36] <NCommander> So in other words, my inbox isn't going to be decimated by a POed DD?
[03:36]  * NCommander has already experienced the "fun" in that
[03:36] <ScottK> Nope.  Maintainer is not a DD.
[03:37] <NCommander> s/DD/D Something
[03:37] <NCommander> :-P!
[03:37] <NCommander> ScottK, remember to request the unblock once I sponsor
[03:37] <ScottK> NCommander: Sure thing.
[03:38] <NCommander> Extra bonus tip: I recommend setting your urgency to high
[03:38] <NCommander> (its somewhat annoying waiting ten days just so the release team can unblock)
[03:38] <ScottK> OK.  I'd have gone for Medium, but you're the sponsor
[03:38] <NCommander> Doesn't really matter
[03:38] <NCommander> its your patch
[03:38] <NCommander> if it compiles and doesn't break $WORLD, I'll upload it
[03:43] <ScottK> OK.
[03:43] <ScottK> I'm doing it now.
[03:46]  * ScottK is tempted to file an new bug on dkimproxy while he is at it, "Maintainer provided man pages complete crap."
[03:49] <ScottK> At least the NMU template works.
[03:53] <astromme_> ScottK: Have you tried the Amarok 2 package? I can't seem to get a collection built. It shows the progressbar but no collection shows up.
[03:53] <ScottK> I have not, but others have.
[03:53]  * ScottK looks at vorian.
[03:53] <nhandler> astromme_: I tried out amarok 2, but I didn't actually try building a collection
[03:53] <vorian> astromme_: there is a fix in progress
[03:53] <astromme_> It was working fine for me with the neon 2.0.0 packages
[03:54] <astromme_> vorian: Oh, so it's known?
[03:54] <vorian> as soon as it clears the build machines
[03:54] <vorian> yes
[03:54] <astromme_> Great, good to know.
[03:54] <vorian> you can install mysql-server-5.1 to fix it now
[03:54]  * astromme_ never remembers how important his dynamic playlists are until they're gone
[03:55] <astromme_> vorian: Alright, downloading. Fingers crossed
[03:56]  * ScottK waits for the sid pbuilder to update .
[03:56] <LaserJock> vorian: is that going to make it into ~kubuntu-experimental PPA?
[03:57] <vorian> LaserJock: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0.1.1
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I got the fixed version a few hours ago
[03:57] <LaserJock> sorry, I meant ~kubuntu-memebers-kde4 PPA
[03:57] <vorian> JontheEchidna: then you are running x386
[03:58] <LaserJock> vorian: I have no mysql-server-5.1 here
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> yay for multiple archs
[03:58] <vorian> the backported version has the necessary depends LaserJock
[03:59] <vorian> but it will be called amarok-mysql-server or some such thing
[03:59] <LaserJock> I have amarok-mysql-data
[04:00] <vorian> that's the one
[04:00] <vorian> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.0.1.1-0ubuntu3
[04:00] <vorian> 11 hours!
[04:00] <vorian> you'd think we flooded the build machines today or something :P
[04:01] <astromme_> lol =). Gotta love large releases
[04:02] <astromme_> Aha! Amarok 2 is taking much longer to scan the collection. I think that's a good sign
[04:02] <nhandler> vorian: i386 and amd64 have been really slow today for the ppas
[04:02] <vorian> yeah
[04:03]  * vorian wonders what has a private build on official build machines
[04:04] <ScottK> NCommander: NMU diff mailed to the bug.  You want it some way else?
[04:12]  * astromme_ is excited. His collection works again in amarok!
[04:13]  * NCommander blows the dust off his sid chroot
[04:14] <LaserJock> bah, I wish you could set exclusions for the collection folder
[04:14] <ScottK> Excellent.  Once that's uploaded I'll know which package version to conflict with.
[04:16]  * NCommander is amazed
[04:16] <NCommander> A non-source upload
[04:16] <NCommander> This is a first :-)
[04:17] <NCommander> my chroot almost done updating
[04:21] <vorian> bug 267497
[04:22] <vorian> eek
[04:22] <mooglinux> this the place to ask about problems in the 4.2 beta?
[04:23] <vorian> sure
[04:23] <vorian> are you running jaunty?
[04:23] <mooglinux> well sound works in everything EXCEPT amarok. no, this is on top of inrepid, via the neon nightlies
[04:24] <vorian> what's not working with amarok?
[04:24] <mooglinux> no audio output
[04:24] <vorian> do you have other sound?
[04:25] <mooglinux> yes, as far as i can tell everything else puts out sound, like vlc mplayer and even pidgin
[04:25] <vorian> hmm
[04:25] <mooglinux> ive tried goin into the system settings and rearranging the sound devices, to no avail
[04:26] <mooglinux> it started when i got an error that 'sound device nvidia somethingorother is not working" when i logged in, and have not gotten sound since
[04:30] <mooglinux> that particular sound device has not worked at all, i might add.  its named as "NVIDIA CK804 with ALC850 (NVidia CK804)"
[04:33] <mooglinux> well this is strange. just changing the order under 'audio output' doesnt change the order for the subcategories. so i reordered the devices in each category, and now amarok returns the error that it could not find any collection plugins
[05:13] <ScottK> vorian: So mark down libmysqlclient16-dev on your list .....
[05:14] <vorian> ScottK: amarok build-depends on libmysqlclient-dev, not libmysqlclient15-dev
[05:14] <ScottK> Right, but both 15 and the soon to be 16 provide that.
[05:14] <ScottK> You want to make sure we get the 5.1 one.
[05:14] <vorian> ah noted
[05:16] <LaserJock> yeah, you guys broke OO.o :p
[05:16] <vorian> ha
[05:18] <ScottK> Nope.  Server Team did the mysql 5.1 upload.
[05:18] <ScottK> Not our fault at all.
[05:18] <ScottK> The fact that we were pushing them to get it done quickly had nothing to do with it.
[05:18] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:24]  * ScottK is really glad he didn't upload mysql 5.1.
[05:24]  * ScottK considered it.
[05:25]  * ScottK goes to be before his head esploads.
[05:25] <ScottK> Good night all.
[08:58] <cbr> msn support in kopete 4.1.96?
[08:58] <cbr> no?
[09:09] <cbr> okay, the first thing when entering the 4.1.96 in jaunty is a message informing me that plasma has received SIGSEGV
[09:09] <nihui> msn support in kopete 4.1.96   <-- yes!
[09:09] <cbr> and no desktop appears
[09:10] <cbr> is that a known issue?
[09:10] <cbr> i'm of course overly joyful that something like this still happens in an RC.. and am crossing my fingers for it to be a kubuntu issue :p
[09:18] <cbr> oh.. kdebase-workspace is not updated yet
[09:18] <cbr> maybe that's why plasma is being evil at me
[09:18] <cbr> didnt notice that
[09:27] <knusperfrosch> hi!
[09:27] <knusperfrosch> will vpnc work again with knetworkmanager in 9.04?
[10:03] <freeflying> nihui: for dependency reason, we can not have WML support in kubuntu(a.k.a. msn)
[10:03] <freeflying> by now
[10:11] <briseight> Lure: Hi! Thx for your help. Installing marble-data fixed my issue with digikam plugin.
[10:14] <nihui> freeflying: ???
[10:14] <nihui> libmsn -> kopete WLM support ~~
[10:15] <freeflying> nihui: yes, for libmsn
[10:29] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:29] <Riddell> Tonio!
[10:29] <Tonio_> I just tests rc1 packages on jaunty.... plasma is broken here, receiving a dbus time out error...
[10:30] <Tonio_> is that known problem or is that just my computer ?
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I HAVE internet at home :)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: finally, since a couple of days :)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: libpackagekit and kpackagekit are waiting in the NEW queue, btw
[10:30] <Riddell> ooh
[10:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: what about policykit-kde?  isn't that needed first?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: also uploaded kde4 version of kipi-plugins
[10:31] <Riddell> Lure ^^
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: and working on k3b atm
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait for kde 4.2 to be released since there are commits everyday
[10:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: Lure tried k3b from svn yesterday and said he couldn't get it to do anything with the CDs
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: then I'll upload it
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: as for network-manager-kde
[10:32] <Riddell> so test it out hard
[10:32] <Tonio_> they both don't work at the moment, so I keep them localy and test them every day
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll contact upstream for those 2 directly...
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: so what about plasma ? am I the only one with a broken thing ?
[10:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: working fine with me using packages from kubuntu-ninjas, I havn't looked at what's compiled in jaunty yet, maybe something hasn't compiled yet and there's an incompatibility
[10:38] <cbr> oh nice, 4.1.96 works now
[10:38] <cbr> that kdebase-workspace got built
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll retry then :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I give policykit-kde a complete review toonight and will let you know
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: still a bit messy in my appartment, so I'll be 60% available only for a couple of weeks.... I have to buy a few things I miss in there to be comfortable :)
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I'm back, definately
[10:45] <Riddell> he's back!
[10:46] <Tonio_> yup.... you cannot imagin how it is to live 7 month without any internet connection at home
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a nightmare for a geek
[10:46] <Tonio_> the good point is that you rediscover a couple of things :) like reading books and so on :)
[10:46]  * Tonio_ reboots on linux and gives plasma a test
[10:51] <Tonio_> it works :)
[10:52] <Riddell> formidable
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a main inclusion report for libmsn ?
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need this for msn support back in kopete
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, as usual it's blocked on security review
[10:52] <Riddell> I'm going to just promote it to main after the alpha
[10:52] <Tonio_> as well as ssl support for jabber for gmail
[10:52] <Tonio_> I don't remember the required dep for that...
[10:53] <Tonio_> hum looks like this is done, great
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw that mysql-server if going 5.1, sounds good for us :)
[10:54] <Riddell> it's not
[10:54] <Riddell> not in main anyway
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't we get that done ?
[10:55] <Riddell> hopefully we can get something in, but not the whole thing
[10:56] <Tonio_> hum, all we need is the runtime right ?
[10:57] <Riddell> the libmysql.a is all, and some amount of mysql-data
[11:00] <Tonio_> hum okay
[11:27] <houz> hi, is here anyone using PyKDE4? i somehow can't use it :-(
[11:45] <Riddell> oh
[12:00] <Lure> Tonio_: hi! long time no read...
[12:01] <Lure> Tonio_: what version of kipiplugins did you upload
[12:01]  * Lure has uploaded beta6 couple of days ago...
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdepim failed with  "/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or"
[12:19] <Riddell> something wrong with the quilt detection you added to cdbs?
[12:22] <nixternal> who broke koffice in backports?
[12:22] <Riddell> mmm?
[12:23] <nixternal> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[12:25] <Riddell> grr
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: what version of kde-icons-oxygen do you have?
[12:25] <nixternal> good point :)
[12:26] <nixternal> I tend to forget I am not running kde4 from the main repos :)
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, it does have a patch
[12:27]  * Riddell fixes
[12:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I uploaded kde4 beta6 version
[12:56] <Tonio_> Lure: long time no see :) happy new year !!
[12:56] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, I couldn't see it in the archives.... did you upload in a ppa ?
[12:58] <Tonio_> hum kmail's currently broken...
[12:59] <Tonio_> ho kdepim fails, right...
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to fix kdepim ?
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just uploaded it
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, missing build-dep I suspect ?
[13:00] <Riddell> yes
[13:01] <Tonio_> hum file conflicts between kmousetool and kttsd
[13:01] <Tonio_> both have /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/female.png
[13:01] <Tonio_> fixing...
[13:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: please update the bzr branches too
[13:02] <Tonio_> yup
[13:02] <Riddell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/<package>/ubuntu/
[13:05] <seele> Tonio_: did colomar get in contact with you again?  he has been having trouble using kpackagekit to get anything installed
[13:10] <Tonio_> seele: hum he contacted me 2 weeks, then I responded and fixed the packages on my ppa
[13:10] <Tonio_> seele: no news since then....
[13:10] <Lure> Riddell: it was in ppa, and later to main archives
[13:10] <Lure> or better universe archives
[13:11] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[13:11] <Lure> Tonio_: and happy new year to you too!
[13:11] <Lure> Tonio_: was your upload accepted or rejected (because of smaller/same version)?
[13:11] <Tonio_> Lure: hum lemme look :)
[13:12] <Lure> Riddell: kdebase-runtime RC version missing in jaunty - know issue?
[13:12] <Tonio_> Lure: rejected, which is fine :)
[13:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I did beta version of both digikam/kipi
[13:12] <seele> Tonio_: hum.. i wonder who he talked to then
[13:12]  * Lure is back in digikam/kipi hacking ;-)
[13:12]  * Lure and ubuntu polishing ;-)
[13:12] <Riddell> Lure: it's there, although not amd64 yet https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1
[13:13] <Lure> Riddell: ok, then I just need to wait
[13:13] <seele> Tonio_: this happens any time you try to install a package: "The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!"
[13:13] <Tonio_> seele: well as I said him the packages are on my ppa for intrepid...
[13:14] <Tonio_> seele: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive
[13:14] <seele> Tonio_: yes, that is where we got it from
[13:14] <Tonio_> seele: he should have been able to test from there
[13:15] <Tonio_> seele: you also have to use the policykit-gnome thing at the moment since the kde equivalent is missing/broken
[13:15] <seele> hmm.. maybe that's the problem
[13:15] <seele> huh.. no that's installed
[13:16] <Tonio_> seele: hum....
[13:16] <Tonio_> seele: what about the "policykit-gnome" package, is it installed ?
[13:17] <Tonio_> seele: with this one it is supposed to work...
[13:17] <Tonio_> seele: I expect to give latest policykit-kde a complete test toonight, on that purpose...
[13:17] <seele> Tonio_: yes policykit-gnome is installed
[13:19] <Tonio_> seele: weird.... what dosn't work then ?
[13:19] <Tonio_> seele: please report to me by mail, I'll give a test since I'll work on those toonight :)
[13:19] <seele> Tonio_: installing software doesnt work.  i'll send you mail then
[13:20] <seele> is kpackagekit written in c++?
[13:20] <cbr> woow, the folderview highlight effect looks so nice
[13:20] <Tonio_> seele: yes it is
[13:20] <Tonio_> seele: hum, works for me
[13:21] <seele> Tonio_: did you uninstall adept or maybe we missed a dependency?
[13:21] <Tonio_> seele: you may also need to check permissions and unsure your user is authorized software installation
[13:21] <Tonio_> seele: that's the purpose of policykit
[13:21] <Tonio_> seele: I haven't adept installed
[13:21] <seele> so it asking me for the admin password isnt enough?
[13:22] <Tonio_> seele: to set permissions, you may have to start : sudo polkit-gnome-authorization
[13:22] <Tonio_> seele: check if your user is allowed installations, upgrades etc...
[13:23] <Tonio_> seele:
[13:23] <Tonio_> seele: policykit requires : user/group allowed a task and then if yes, auth mode (could be with or without a password and so on)
[13:23] <seele> Tonio_: aah, none of that was set.  hopefully that was the problem
[13:23] <Tonio_> seele: probably yes :)
[13:24] <Tonio_> seele: we'll have to be sure default settings are convenient on that point !
[13:24] <freeflying> after today's upgrade, plasma can not start
[13:24] <freeflying> anyone suffered this?
[13:24] <Tonio_> seele: atm, policykit-kde works for authentication if password isn't asked, but fails authenticate with password...
[13:24] <seele> huh, i think kpackagekit is also buggy.  i always get problems searching for software
[13:24] <Tonio_> freeflying: update again, will work :)
[13:24] <freeflying> hehe
[13:25] <Tonio_> seele: didn't see many problems with kpackagekit for the moment
[13:26] <seele> Tonio_: do you have a minute to try something?  searching for "game" works, but searching for "games" gives me some backend forking error
[13:26] <seele> ack.. wtf.  now if i search for game again it gives me the forking error
[13:26] <seele> Tonio_: since it works on yours, i dont know if i have something screwed up or if it is a bug
[13:28] <jpds> ScottK: Needs source changes, I'll do the process described at help.u.c and get it done asap.
[13:29] <ScottK> jpds: OK.   I guess i missed that in the bug.  BTW, MOTU can upload source backports now, so you can just do it.
[13:29] <Tm_T> hmmmm, does motu still use revu?
[13:30] <Tm_T> I apparently got revu account 3 years ago
[13:30] <Tm_T> or something
[13:30]  * freeflying seldom use ruve now
[13:30] <ScottK> Tm_T: Yes.  For new packages, but it uses your LP ID now.
[13:30] <jpds> ScottK: I don't have to do the stuff at: http://tinyurl.com/a5dpjx - just fire and forget?
[13:30] <Tm_T> ScottK: I thought so
[13:31] <freeflying> ScottK: I can upload new package directly? is it?
[13:32] <ScottK> jpds: Since you're a backporter, you can skip the attach the debdiff and have it reviewed step as you can do your own review.
[13:32] <ScottK> freeflying: Even MOTU are recommended to get their packages reviewed.
[13:34] <freeflying> ScottK: I just sposor upload for others from revu, is it ok?
[13:34]  * freeflying need to learn more to catch up
[13:34]  * vorian has his packages reviewed
[13:34] <ScottK> freeflying: For non-MOTU it needs two MOTU to advocate for a new package, so if you're the second, certainly.
[13:35] <vorian> what needs reviewed?
[13:35] <vorian> I have some time while i try and fix kdeartwork
[13:35] <jpds> ScottK: OK; I'll get that done this evening.
[13:36] <freeflying> ScottK: is there any workflow documented now? thanks
[13:36] <ScottK> freeflying: I'm sure there is, but I'm not sure where.  I'd ask on #ubuntu-motu.
[13:36] <ScottK> jpds: Great.
[13:37]  * ScottK sees kgrubeditor on the component mismatches list.  Does it need a MIR?
[13:38] <Tonio_> seele: currently buildging policykit-kde from svn.... I'll let you know if that works
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKgrubeditor
[13:39] <Riddell> "Moved back into universe due to unresolved issues. Incompatibility with our standard grub configuration seems like a serious issue to me."
[13:39] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/262309
[13:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds like it ought to be unseeded then.
[13:42] <Riddell> I think we still hope to get it back into main, artimis seems to be saying he'll make the necessary changes
[13:46] <seele> is there a kubuntu meeting planned before the end of january?
[13:47] <ScottK> OK.  So it doesn't hurt to leave it seeded in the meantime?
[13:47] <ScottK> What's up with KDE on amd64 anyone?
[13:47] <vorian> ScottK: it's just running slow
[13:47] <ScottK> OK
[13:47] <vorian> all the important packages didn't finish first
[13:47] <ScottK> Of course.
[13:47] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:47] <vorian> np
[13:48] <Tonio_> seele: no issues searching either "game" or "games" here...
[13:48] <Tonio_> seele: maybe that's a packagekit issue, not the kde part...
[13:48] <Tonio_> seele: I'm running jaunty, so more recent version of packagekit
[13:49] <Tonio_> seele: also the kpackagekit content change a lot since the uds and my packages...
[13:49] <seele> Tonio_: ok.  i might have to just look at it in vb then
[13:49] <Tonio_> seele: policykit-kde content sorry, so it might give better results...
[13:49] <seele> hum.. ok.  we'll have to review it then
[13:49] <Tonio_> seele: do you run a jaunty virtual machine or so ?
[13:51] <seele> Tonio_: not at the moment
[13:51] <Tonio_> seele: oki
[13:51] <seele> i'm on a business trip now, so i'll have to set it up when i get back later this week
[13:52] <Tonio_> seele: I'll test on my side and will let you know about the technical review... I'll let you do the usability stuff :)
[13:52] <seele> Tonio_: right.  that's what colomar and I are working on, we just ran in to problems doing stuff :)
[13:53] <Tonio_> seele: hehe, I just hope it'll work for you as I can't test on intrepid
[14:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: very good news, we can now manage policyit permissions within kde :)
[14:02] <Tonio_> Riddell, seele: I have to say policykit-kde just works :)
[14:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably upload to review toonight
[14:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: couple of bugs though.... I have to authenticate twice to get it to work...
[14:03] <Tonio_> seele: uploading on my ppa, in case you want it to work...
[14:04] <Riddell> awooga
[14:05] <seele> Tonio_: jaunty only though? not intrepid?
[14:09] <Tonio_> seele: I'll upload on my ppa for intrepid
[14:09] <Tonio_> seele: then on jaunty
[14:09] <Tonio_> once the packaging has been reviewed
[14:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: still missing a couple of desktop files looks like
[14:09] <seele> Tonio_: cool
[14:11] <ScottK> Tonio_: Does it handle debconf and stuff?
[14:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy testing ? I can send you the deb file
[14:11] <Tonio_> ScottK of course not :)
[14:11] <Tonio_> ScottK it exports debian_frontend=non-interractive
[14:11]  * ScottK thinks that's a very bad idea.
[14:12]  * ScottK considers it a very 'Xandros' thing to do.
[14:15] <Tonio_> ScottK I consider debconf stuff too complicated for my mother
[14:16] <Tonio_> ScottK and people that want to play with debconf are generally using apt-get the cli way (I do that)
[14:16]  * ScottK too, but one never knows for sure when it will come up.
[14:16] <Tonio_> ScottK what will your mother respond when she installs a package that depends on openldap for example
[14:16] <Tonio_> ScottK will she respond the "type in your DC name" question ?
[14:17] <ScottK> I would consider it a rare situation for a desktop, but just punting is the wrong answer.
[14:17] <Tonio_> or the "the file /etc/blabla has ben modified by you or a script, which version to keep ??"
[14:17] <Tonio_> there is just no way for them to respond this.... so we have to make it silent...
[14:17] <ScottK> Which one do we keep?
[14:17] <Tonio_> yep
[14:18]  * ScottK doesn't recall which way non-interactive leans.
[14:18] <Tonio_> ScottK it accepts the default choice for everything
[14:18] <Tonio_> which can be bad in some cases, true
[14:18] <Tonio_> we have to handle the cases it can be problematic
[14:19] <Tonio_> but what is bad for us is 10 times better for the user, so I prefer this really
[14:19] <ScottK> I'd consider arbitrarily over-writing user config changes bad.
[14:19] <Tonio_> it won't, since the default is to keep the current file
[14:19] <Tonio_> which in 99% of the cases is fine
[14:19] <ScottK> Is it?
[14:20] <Tonio_> yup
[14:20] <ScottK> OK.
[14:20] <mok0> Version 0.10 of Stellarium is in REVU. This is a major new version written to use QT4. I am going to review it and it would be good if a couple of other MOTUs would track it too, so we can get it into JJ
[14:20] <Tonio_> is some rare case, where the config file has new options, then it'll cause problems, and we'll have to handle those very rare case, I agree on that point
[14:20] <Tonio_> but that's very, very rare
[14:20] <ScottK> OK.  That is exacly what Xandros did.
[14:20] <Tonio_> ScottK and I approve this way to do things
[14:21]  * ScottK doesn't like it a bit.
[14:21] <Tonio_> ScottK installing a package should be silent, as it is on a mac
[14:21] <vorian> mok0: looking
[14:21] <ScottK> And when there's a sane way to do it, that's great.
[14:21]  * ScottK notes it's a regression too.
[14:21] <mok0> vorian, you also should look at http://www.stellarium.org
[14:22] <vorian> haha
[14:22] <vorian> mok0: i almost grabbed this app
[14:22] <mok0> vorian: for packaging?
[14:23] <vorian> yep
[14:23] <mok0> vorian: so you are interested in reviewing too
[14:23] <vorian> yes
[14:23] <mok0> vorian: great.
[14:24] <mok0> vorian: the packager has eliminated a bunch of patches, I think that needs to be checked
[14:24] <vorian> excellent
[14:46] <vorian> mok0: commented
[14:46] <mok0> vorian: woot!
[14:46] <mok0> vorian: trying to install it on my machine
[14:47] <vorian> mok0: it should install fine for you, but i'm concerned about the patches
[14:47] <mok0> vorian: yeah
[14:47] <mok0> me too
[14:48] <vorian> it's hard for me to believe that 9 patches could be dropped, and the reason for removal was not documented in the change log
[14:48] <mok0> vorian: exactly
[14:48] <mok0> vorian: we need to figure out what those patches were doing
[14:49] <mok0> vorian: but most likely they no longer apply cleanly, so uploader just dropped them
[14:49] <vorian> right
[14:49] <vorian> mok0: i'll keep an eye on it.  He can have two weeks.
[14:50] <mok0> vorian: sounds good
[14:50] <vorian> it should be updated soon though
[14:50] <vorian> yup yup
[14:50] <vorian> :)
[14:50] <mok0> I'll investigate som more
[14:50] <vorian> excellent
[14:50] <vorian> thanks mok0!
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: good news it starts up however on cd desktop there is a warning.  Sorry the program "nepomukservicetub" closed unexpectedly.
[15:07] <mok0> I'd like to see bug 288740 closed for JJ
[15:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy reviewing policykit-kde on revu ?
[15:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: even buggy we should get it in the repos, as it won't replace anything existing, there's no risk
[15:56] <Riddell> ok
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded, I'll give you the link
[16:00] <ScottK> vorian: Server Team meeting in ~a few minutes (after TB meeting finishes) in #ubuntu-meeting.
[16:00] <vorian> ScottK: thanks :)
[16:00] <vorian> putting the finishing touches on kdeartwork
[16:01] <davmor2> Riddell: ubiquity crashes on exit
[16:01] <Riddell> grump
[16:01] <Riddell> davmor2: make sure to report a bug on that
[16:02] <davmor2> trying to upload it now
[16:07] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 316800
[16:07]  * seele smacks her forehead
[16:07] <seele> NOW they decide that they have time to help with design
[16:07] <seele> and guess what.. they want to work on kpackagekit
[16:07]  * seele writes an email THANK YOU FOR BEING SO LATE SIRS
[16:08] <davmor2> Riddell: changed privacy
[16:08] <Riddell> "they"?
[16:08] <seele> Riddell: some german design group who was working with TT and matthias was trying to get to contribute to kde
[16:09] <davmor2> Riddell: I've let evand know too
[16:09] <seele> oh interesting.. i *also* got an email from one of the apilink devs who want to work on kpackagekit
[16:10]  * apachelogger waves
[16:11] <Riddell> all the rage
[16:11] <seele> i hope all this stuff wraps up well by february.. i dont think i'm going to have time once school starts
[16:12] <seele> i'm already putting more time in the kde/kubuntu than my job.. although "replacing time" is more accurate :P
[16:15]  * jussi01 waves
[16:19] <Riddell> davmor2: doesn't look KDE specific, have you tried the GTK one as well?
[16:20]  * Riddell hugs seele 
[16:20] <davmor2> Riddell: not today no
[16:24] <seele> oooh hugs
[16:24]  * seele hugs Riddell 
[16:33]  * LaserJock hugs whoever did the new choqok
[16:34] <davmor2> Riddell: general faulty I'll try again tomorrow
[16:34] <Riddell> davmor2: phew :)
[16:39] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you have been hugged
[16:39] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it appears to me revu ate your policykit upload, btw, I think It's better if someone else reviews it, so Riddell can let it through new
[16:40] <neversfelde> apachelogger: why? and how can I escape? :)
[16:41] <apachelogger> neversfelde: apparently LaserJock luvs the nu choqok, and I think there is no escape
[16:42] <apachelogger> mvo made a pretty b0rked changelog entry :|
[16:43] <neversfelde> choqoK is very buggy here, probably I should delete the config files
[16:44] <LaserJock> i created a new config
[16:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde, LaserJock: the compability problems are only config related?
[16:46] <seaLne> Riddell: i get "/etc/zsh/zshrc:12: unknown parameter: terminfo" and no terminal setup happens pgup backspace etc, happens with bash aswell, happened recently now 2 machines (only ones updated recently)
[16:46] <LaserJock> apachelogger: what do you mean by "compatibility problems"?
[16:47] <apachelogger> LaserJock: AFAIK upgrading from choqok 0.1 -> 0.2 broke choqok pretty much and now apparently 0.2 -> 0.3 does again
[16:48] <LaserJock> apachelogger: it didn't like my intial config. I just recreated my accounts (as the config dialog is totally different) and it's working fine so far
[16:48] <Riddell> seaLne: there's no recent update of ncurses
[16:48] <LaserJock> I got both twitter and identi.ca \o/
[16:48] <vorian> apachelogger: its 0.3.1 (which was supposed to not break the config)
[16:49] <vorian> ^5 LaserJock
[16:49] <apachelogger> well
[16:49] <apachelogger> a config should _never_ break
[16:49] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2009-January/thread.html  maybe glibc or linux could affect something like terminfo
[16:49]  * apachelogger probably should tell upstream about kconf_update
[16:50] <LaserJock> apachelogger: well, I figure since this app is so new I'd give them some slack ;-)
[16:50] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah its weird i've not had any thoughts on the cause
[16:50]  * LaserJock lets apachelogger be the bad guy
[16:50]  * apachelogger notes that amarok never did that, not even in early releases, basically also because amarok didn't have any configuration :P
[16:51] <Riddell> seaLne: but you think it happened after an apt-get upgrade ?
[16:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[16:51] <neversfelde> config deleted and now it is totally broken^^
[16:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong
[16:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: already done?
[16:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - query
[16:52] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah on one machine that has been up for a while it is fine in existing shells but any new ones are broken on another machine that has been rebooted lots it happens all the time
[16:53] <Riddell> seaLne: what's in  find /var/cache/apt/archive -mtime 0 ?
[16:54] <seaLne> nothing (archives)
[16:55] <Riddell> -mtime 1 ?
[16:55] <Riddell> or increasing values of mtime?
[16:55] <seaLne> nothing obvious
[16:57] <ScottK> Are we shipping kpilot?
[16:57] <ScottK> http://movingparts.net/2009/01/13/kpilot-42-progress/
[16:57] <seaLne> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/104432/
[16:58] <Riddell> seaLne: none of those look like the cause
[16:59] <seaLne> yeah, the fact that i just noticed that it is happening n my other machine with new shells worried me more than it happening on one machine, very annoying tho
[17:04] <stdin> Riddell: on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0 it says: "Follow the Kubuntu Repository Guide to enable Recommended Updates (backports)", but backports would be Unsupported updates
[17:05] <astromme_> vorian: Are the RC1 packages built completely? sudo aptitude full-upgrade shows lots of breakage. (mainly in kdepim)
[17:05] <vorian> not quite yet astromme_, there are a tone of things waiting to be built
[17:06] <vorian> it's going rather slowly :(
[17:06] <astromme_> vorian: Is there a way to see the build queue?
[17:06] <vorian> launchpad.net/+builds
[17:08]  * astromme_ lols... ia64     110 builds waiting in queue
[17:08]  * astromme_ uses amd64 however, which only has 36 in queue
[17:10] <astromme_> Hmm, I can see what it's currently building and the number in queue, but is there a way to see the actual queue?
[17:15] <stdin> astromme_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[17:17] <astromme_> stdin: Thanks, that's what I was looking for.
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, my package won't reach revu for some reason I have to investigate...
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: mind if I upload to the archives ?
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the packaging is super simple, and has no patch...
[17:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: upload it to a web server somewhere for us to look over
[17:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[17:21] <apachelogger> oh well
[17:22] <apachelogger> I fixed gdebi-kde's icon
[17:22] <apachelogger> that is about all good news
[17:22] <apachelogger> plasma crashes for unkown reasons and can't produce a sensible backtrace itself
[17:22] <apachelogger> vorian's kdm.init change breaks kdm if LANG= is not set in /etc/environment
[17:22] <apachelogger> which is never the case on default intallations anyway it seems
[17:23] <apachelogger> and yakuake is doing the popup dance
[17:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: dget http://planetemu.net/temp/policykit-kde_4.1.96~svn910476-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:23] <apachelogger> Tonio_: bad versioning
[17:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ah ?
[17:23] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I talked to drf, and he's going to do backport releases, kinda like he did for powerdevil
[17:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: how would you version this ?
[17:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: 0.0+svn
[17:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's for jaunty and 4.2
[17:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, drf will backport release policykit-kde for KDE 4.2, while policykit-kde actualyl targets 4.3
[17:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: 403 Forbidden
[17:24] <Tonio_> we use + now ? I've always used ~ for years ;)
[17:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah..... lemme fix
[17:25] <apachelogger> Tonio_: + makes it > $baseversion, ~ makes it < $baseversion
[17:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be okay
[17:25] <apachelogger> doesn't really matter but I find the idea of a version number lower than 0 a bit weird ;-)
[17:25] <ScottK> apachelogger and Tonio_: Either can be appropriate, but to use ~ you need to know what the next upstream release will be.
[17:25] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I want it < $baseversion
[17:26]  * ScottK used ~ in the git snapshot of quassel he packaged.
[17:26] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, baseversion should be 0.0
[17:26] <apachelogger> or 0.1 for that matter
[17:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so you'd version it 0.0+svn910476 ?
[17:26] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yep
[17:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: honnestly, as this is temporary, I don't see the point :)
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll upload a 4.2 version in 3 weeks :)
[17:27] <apachelogger> that is if upstream versions it as 4.2
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep, and since the version I took was from kde svn, it makes sence versioning 4.1.96 imho :)
[17:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: policykit-kde is not going to be part of KDE 4.2
[17:28] <Tonio_> I could even drop the svn revision in fact...
[17:28] <apachelogger> it was rejected from kdereview because no one reviewed it in time
[17:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it is in extragear, btw
[17:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes, but it doesn't have version 4.1.96, does it? :P
[17:28] <Tonio_> nope :)
[17:29] <apachelogger> that is my point
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: still on 4.2 feature plan afaics
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: did that change ?
[17:29] <apachelogger> Tonio_: read above
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and there's no way to get it reviewed in time ? that sucks...
[17:29] <apachelogger> nope
[17:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: 3 weeks before the release.... so stupid...
[17:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: then I agree with your point, let's version 0.0 waiting for an official one
[17:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't need to depend on quilt
[17:31] <apachelogger> vorian: ping ping
[17:31] <vorian> pon pong
[17:31] <apachelogger> vorian: why does var=$(grep "^LANG=" /etc/environment)
[17:31] <apachelogger> make the init fail?
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah !!! quilt was droped rom kde.mk ? good to ear
[17:31] <apachelogger> Tonio_: just made optional :P
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't package for a couple of month, I didn't figure out that
[17:31] <Riddell> "This package was debianised by Anthony Mercatante <tonio@@ubuntu.com> on"
[17:32] <Riddell> double @
[17:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: which is cool
[17:32] <ScottK> Cuts down on spam
[17:32] <Riddell> THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE not needed
[17:32] <vorian> apachelogger: no language environment
[17:32] <apachelogger> vorian: well, read above ... default ubuntu wouldn't have it there anyway ... but I wonder why it makes the whole script fail
[17:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: this also removed, and good to ear too :)
[17:33] <apachelogger> vorian: I am not sure LANG is the way to go anyway
[17:33] <apachelogger> vorian: much to unreliable since technically it could be set anywhere
[17:33]  * Tonio_ realizes that leaving 4 weeks means having to learn everything again...
[17:33] <vorian> true
[17:34] <apachelogger> ah
[17:34] <apachelogger> I see
[17:34] <apachelogger> vorian: gdm does it the same way though
[17:34] <vorian> hmmmm
[17:34] <vorian> very interesting
[17:34] <apachelogger> kdm is superior to gdm though, so there ought to be a better solution ;-)
[17:34] <NCommander> apachelogger, hola
[17:34] <apachelogger> vorian: well, their shell is better than ours it looks
[17:34] <NCommander> ScottK, the 96 issue is an ICE. I'm seeing if I can beg doko to look at it
[17:34] <apachelogger> *stealing code*
[17:35] <apachelogger> aloha NCommander
[17:35] <NCommander> ScottK, not much I can do from my end
[17:35] <vorian> i say for now we didtch the change until a sane solution can be found, apachelogger
[17:35] <NCommander> apachelogger, please send something to my core dev application, its had two fatal shots taken at it
[17:35] <NCommander> :-P
[17:35] <apachelogger> vorian: I'll try the gmd approach, it ought to work considering it is in their init script for quite some time now
[17:35] <ScottK> NCommander: Urgh.  Thanks for looking at it.
[17:35] <vorian> okie
[17:36]  * ScottK notes to apachelogger the gdm and gmd are two very different things.
[17:36] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah, its officially out of my ballpark.
[17:36]  * vorian wonders what suse's init is ...
[17:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have $unreadable font today :P
[17:36] <apachelogger> vorian: they don't do init, they start yast, yast starts world, world starts universe, universe starts sue :P
[17:36] <vorian> ohmy
[17:36] <apachelogger> NCommander: I didn't really sponsor much ... so I can just say what I noticed from hanging out here, which might not be enough
[17:37] <apachelogger> of course if someone tells me to make stuff up.... ;-)
[17:37] <NCommander> apachelogger, you sponsored me plenty
[17:37] <ScottK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
[17:37] <apachelogger> NCommander: for example?
[17:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: dget http://planetemu.net/temp/policykit-kde_0.0+svn910476-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:37] <apachelogger> NCommander: they might have been too good, which would explain that I can't remember :)
[17:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for the issues, I'll have to re-learn the current kde packaging things :)
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: all fixed including the versioning
[17:38] <Tonio_> apachelogger: fancy reviewing too ?
[17:38] <Riddell> nobody makes perfect packages first time round
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that, but those issues should have been avoided, as some things changed :)
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: then you should drop libpackagekit-qt and kpackagekit from NEW
[17:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: they have the same issues
[17:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix them in a moment.... while fixing my revu upload issues
[17:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: W: policykit-kde: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libpolkitkdeprivate.so.4.1.0 usr/lib/libpolkitkdeprivate.so
[17:40] <Notch-1> hi all, should you take a look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/292159 ?
[17:40] <Riddell> no need to include the .so
[17:40] <Riddell> Notch-1: we do KDE here, Linux isn't our bag baby
[17:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is a -dev package for pk-gnome IIRC, we probably should do the same
[17:41] <Notch-1> here in kubuntu-devel you do only kde? :D
[17:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: if it's called "private" it shouldn't be made available I suspect
[17:41] <Notch-1> this bug is affecting only kubuntu, i think
[17:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yeah but do I have to write a rules entry to get it removed ?
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: generally speaking I was
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: making the packaging more complex to avoid warnings..... sounds weird no ?
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: this isn't a splited package...
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: or even better, should I patch the CMake files ?
[17:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think that's worth fixing else people might be tempted to use it
[17:43] <Riddell> I don't know if CMake can be changed to not install the .so
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: well my mother wouldn't :)
[17:45] <Notch-1> Riddell: so ?
[17:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixing ;)
[17:47] <Riddell> Notch-1: I don't see why that would be Kubuntu specific, the Linux build is the same for all the variants
[17:48] <Notch-1> it seems to affect only kubuntu
[17:49] <Notch-1> there has to be a reason...
[17:50] <Notch-1> AND on #linux i got: "zcram » that's ubuntu-specific"
[17:51] <Notch-1> is an update problem, so i think that's very specific too...
[17:54] <Riddell> right, ubuntu specific, not Kubuntu, we are but one part of the larger Ubuntu family
[17:57] <Notch-1> i think that in ubuntu it works fine
[17:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: dget http://planetemu.net/temp/policykit-kde_0.0+svn910476-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: this one should be good, then I'm fixing libpackagekit and kpackagekit
[17:58] <Riddell> " Initiali SVN snapshot"  typo
[17:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: all good otherwise
[17:59] <Notch-1> on the bug page it seems that are all using kubuntu...
[18:00] <ScottK> \o/
[18:00]  * ScottK spies 4.1.4 in the build queue.
[18:01] <seele> is it possible to downgrade?
[18:01]  * seele doesnt want to run 4.2 beta 2 anymore Q.Q
[18:01] <Riddell> seele: you can uninstall kdelibs5 then reinstall again, entirely unsupported of course
[18:01] <Riddell> 4.2 RC 1 should be out later
[18:02] <Riddell> later today
[18:03] <seele> oh.. RC 1 is good. i've been using neon for the past week because beta was too annoying
[18:03] <seele> please.. next time i talk about upgrading my work laptop to do software testing, someone hit me over the head
[18:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, uploading then
[18:09]  * jussi01 thwacks seele for last time... :P
[18:10] <apachelogger> seele: you shouldn't be upgrading before me :P
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you drop the packaging stuf in new ? I'll fix my revu problem and get them there toonight
[18:11] <Riddell> drop?
[18:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: they have the same "this should go unstable" thing
[18:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: they shouldn't go in the archives since packaging is not good :)
[18:14] <Riddell> always the perfectionist
[18:14] <seele> apachelogger: lol
[18:14] <apachelogger> wahhh
[18:14] <apachelogger> no highlights
[18:15] <apachelogger> I am working in the shell where I started plasma
[18:15] <apachelogger> now my vim is all messed up :P
[18:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, I did crappy work....
[18:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: or you can accept them and I'll fix later.... the packages are ready btw
[18:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: dget http://planetemu.net/temp/libpackagekit-qt_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: dget http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kpackagekit_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can review those and then I'll upload
[18:20]  * Tonio_ going home, waiting for Riddell ping to upload
[18:28] <cbr> any idea why does kwin start to use 70% cpu after i watch a video with mplayerplug-in in firefox?
[18:28] <cbr> when i toggle compositing off and on again, it's normal again
[18:29] <apachelogger> overload of uglysoftware
[18:29] <cbr> okay, now i listened to a music track in mplayerplug-in.. no video.. and it started to abuse my cpu again
[18:29] <cbr> kwin did, i mean
[18:29] <apachelogger> overload of uglysoftware again
[18:30] <cbr> well, it sucks but there is no alternative to mplayerplug-in in firefox
[18:30] <apachelogger> sure there is
[18:30] <apachelogger> dragonplayer in konqueror
[18:30] <cbr> konqueror is not an option to be honest
[18:30] <jussi01> mozilla-plugin-vlc
[18:30] <Sput> oO
[18:30] <cbr> it lacks so many stuff compared to firefox
[18:30] <Sput> more of an option than firefox
[18:31] <apachelogger> jussi01: that would still cause overload of uglysoftware
[18:31] <cbr> the vlc plugin has no controls and plays stuff even more seldom than mplayerplug-in
[18:31]  * Sput wonders how people can survive using firefox
[18:31] <apachelogger> firefox is so ugly you would need feed it all the oxygen team to make it not cuase overload of uglysoftware
[18:31] <cbr> i use it with the oxygen gtk theme
[18:31] <cbr> it's okay
[18:31] <cbr> and konqueror is extremely ugly compared to ff
[18:32] <Sput> except it's gtk, hence ugly
[18:32] <apachelogger> well
[18:32] <apachelogger> _the_ oxygen gtk theme
[18:32] <cbr> look at the options.. i know people who would call it a clusterf***
[18:32] <apachelogger> is the ugliest of all
[18:32] <NCommander> apachelogger, I use firefox on KDE all the time ;-)
[18:32] <NCommander> and thunderbird too
[18:32] <apachelogger> there, no sponsoring for you anymore
[18:32] <cbr> also, konq lacks addons, smartcard support to name a few
[18:33] <cbr> plus it looks worse
[18:33] <NCommander> No KDE on ARM then apachelogger ;-)
[18:33] <cbr> also konq doesnt officially support gmail
[18:33]  * apachelogger wouldn't benefit anyway
[18:33] <jussi01> I just want the konq with webkit+flash...
[18:33]  * apachelogger just wants standards
[18:34] <NCommander> apachelogger, think of your users!! KDE on ARM is important to some of them
[18:34] <apachelogger> NCommander: my feet are cold ... literally ... so no time to think of users
[18:35] <apachelogger> bah, pbuilder creation failed
[18:35] <NCommander> apachelogger, that's karma, and its a bitch
[18:36] <apachelogger> ~karma
[18:36] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 4
[18:37] <jussi01> how do you reduce someones karma? (dont you dare do it to me apachelogger) :P
[18:37] <cbr> i wish you could use the kmplayer plugin in firefox
[18:38] <apachelogger> jussi01: hum, dunno, I can show you though :P
[18:38]  * jussi01 guesses...
[18:38] <jussi01> -- apachelogger
[18:38] <jussi01> meh
[18:39] <apachelogger> karmastats
[18:39] <apachelogger> ~karmastats
[18:40] <kubotu> 223 items. Best: C (74); Worst: > (-22)
[18:40] <apachelogger> C++
[18:40] <jussi01> who has 74?
[18:40] <apachelogger> C
[18:40] <jussi01> oh
[18:40] <jussi01> ~karma Riddell
[18:40] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 2
[18:40] <apachelogger> ~karma JontheEchidna
[18:40] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 7
[18:41] <jussi01> ~karma jussi01
[18:41] <kubotu> jussi01 has neutral karma
[18:41] <jussi01> damn, I need some karma
[18:43] <apachelogger> ~karma jussi01
[18:43] <kubotu> karma for jussi01: -1
[18:43] <jussi01> :(
[18:44] <jussi01> *sniff*
[18:44] <apachelogger> hm
[18:44] <apachelogger> jussi01: I thought you wanted karma?
[18:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah, karma, not negative karma!
[18:45] <apachelogger> jussi01: karma can be both
[18:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: when are the RC1 packages ready do you know?
[18:47] <apachelogger> when I unbroke them :P
[18:47] <jussi01> hehe
[18:47] <apachelogger> and since I have cold feet that could take some time
[18:47]  * jussi01 stops distracting apachelogger
[18:47]  * seele gets apachelogger some slippers
[18:47] <seele> RC1 gogogogo!
[18:48] <apachelogger> \o/ slippers
[18:48] <apachelogger> nhandler, JontheEchidna: someone backport workspace for poor seele and her broken workspace
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> the intrepid packages are all built and ready to be copied
[18:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not if you based workspace on the jaunty package
[18:51] <apachelogger> that breaks kdm on loads of systems
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, shit.
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> that would be bad
[19:08] <NCommander> apachelogger, have we replaced adept with kpackagekit yet?
[19:08] <apachelogger> nope
[19:08] <NCommander> are we planning to?
[19:09] <apachelogger> NCommander: tonio sent the packaging url earlier
[19:09] <apachelogger> feel free to review it
[19:09] <apachelogger> also, we need it in miain before we can replace adept I guess
[19:09] <apachelogger> *main even
[19:10] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'll put it on my wishlist TODO list
[19:19] <DaSkreech> RC today?
[19:19] <seele> sshh.. ninjas at work
[19:20] <jussi01> DaSkreech: [20:46:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: when are the RC1 packages ready do you know?
[19:20] <jussi01> [20:47:07] <apachelogger> when I unbroke them :P
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Whee for unbreakage!
[19:20] <DaSkreech> how badly blody broke ?
[19:21] <jussi01> [20:49:55] <JontheEchidna> the intrepid packages are all built and ready to be copied
[19:21] <jussi01> [20:50:06] --> devfil_ (n=dfiloni@host186-254-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #kubuntu-devel
[19:21] <jussi01> [20:51:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not if you based workspace on the jaunty package
[19:21] <jussi01> [20:51:20] <apachelogger> that breaks kdm on loads of systems
[19:21] <jussi01> [20:51:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, shit.
[19:21] <jussi01> ok, I now apologise for all the hilights...
[19:21] <Tm_T> awww
[19:22] <DaSkreech> Does anyone use KDM?
[19:22] <DaSkreech> really?
[19:22] <DaSkreech> console login and kdeinit ftw
[19:23]  * jussi01 slaps DaSkreech
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Why would there be such a discrepancy for Jackalope and Ibex packages ?
[19:24] <Tm_T> KDM <3
[19:26] <DaSkreech>  Istill want to theme the logout dialog
[19:27] <DaSkreech> I should put up a userbase page for awesome things KDE should do
[19:27]  * DaSkreech wonders how long before someone makes a taskbar that replicates Windows 7
[19:27] <DaSkreech> Oh why didn't the beta 2 ship with slideshow for wallpapers?
[19:27] <Tm_T> I thought we got already
[19:31] <DaSkreech> We did? where?
[19:39]  * DaSkreech should put up an Ubuntu Wiki page on what sucks in Kubunt
[19:39] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: please do
[19:39] <DaSkreech> are we planning on backporting the plasmodified knetworkmanager ?
[19:40] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: backporting to what?
[19:41] <jussi01> DaSkreech: not till it works good...
[19:41] <jussi01> Ive latest svn and it still sucks
[19:41] <seele> doesnt the knetworkmanager plasmoid require the new version of knetworkmanager which only works in 4.2?
[19:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you look at he packages ?
[19:44]  * Tonio_ look why he can't upload to revu...
[19:48] <Tonio_> seele: I have been able to play with the plasmoid, but there are lots of bugs right now...
[19:48] <Tonio_> seele: I suspect the solid backend needs 4.2 stable, so maybe it'll work right now...
[19:49] <seele> Tonio_: right.  i think DaSkreech was talking about making it available for 4.1.4 which i didnt think was possible :)
[19:51] <Tonio_> seele: I suspect it won't indeed :)
[19:51] <Tonio_> seele: the point is it even doesn't work properly with 4.2 :)
[19:51] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Latest svn as in SVn 4.2 or svn 4.3 ?
[19:51] <seele> Tonio_: right :)
[19:52] <jussi01> DaSkreech: hrm... the one in sebas' post about it...
[19:52] <DaSkreech> seele: Oh no :-) I've been working getting everyone off 4.1 to 4.2 :)
[19:52] <DaSkreech> 4.2 is doing wonders for impressions
[19:52] <seele> DaSkreech: not too soon now. i can't wait to get rid of 4.2 beta 2
[19:52] <seele> either by downgrade or upgrade
[19:52] <DaSkreech> your dislike for wonky notifications notwithstanding
[19:52] <DaSkreech> well today is the day for update :0
[19:52] <DaSkreech> assuming that you care about KDM :)
[19:53] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Trunk is now 4.3 correct?
[19:53] <jussi01> DaSkreech: think so.. which is why it might be it doesnt work...
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Yeah I would expect trunk to be horribly broken about now
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoid is made to work with 4.2, trunk 4.3 being shouldn't be the issue
[19:55]  * DaSkreech tries very hard to unravel that sentence
[19:55]  * JontheEchidna was being pestered by someone when he typed that
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoid is made to work with 4.2, trunk being 4.3 shouldn't be an issue
[20:02]  * seele is confuse what is confusing about the sentence
[20:03] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[20:03] <DaSkreech> I'll read the blog post again I was pretty sure that it was a 4.3 project
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> well, that's when it's going for inclusion
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> but they're gonna keep it 4.2 compatible so that 4.2 distros can use it without having to wait for 4.3
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Ah sweet so it's more of a side port?
[20:33] <sebas> jussi01: if you don't want to hack on networkmanager, it's useless do compile it atm
[20:33]  * sebas said that to many people already
[20:34] <jussi01> sebas: Ive realised.... thank you :) but it does look pretty there on my pane :)
[20:35] <DaSkreech> hows libknotify ?
[20:35] <sebas> yeah, you wouldn't believe how many emails I got with "it doesn't work" this and that ... bla lately.
[20:35] <sebas> While I thought I made it rather clear. DOES ... NOT ... WORK.
[20:36] <sebas> People making it work rather than asking for support for it would be more appreciated...
[20:36] <jussi01> sebas: I would if I could...
[20:36] <jussi01> sebas: but I wasnt complaining, honest
[20:37] <sebas> I just don't get why it's so unclear
[20:37] <bobesponja> knotify and many stuff seem to be broken on jaunty
[20:37] <smarter> sebas: do you need a deep understanding of NetworkManager api to hack on it, or does being a KDE dev is enough for most of the stuff?
[20:37] <sebas> I've bloggged about it so people know about its status, and be patient and not spread FUD about it
[20:37] <sebas> Not to encourage everybody to compile it and email me with support questions and mediocre UI ideas for it
[20:38] <sebas> And the number of "you don't forget to implement ABC, would you?" emails is simply annoying
[20:38] <DaSkreech> sebas: ooooh mediocre Ideas! Sounds like a new blog post
[20:38] <sebas> smarter: there's a lot of low-hanging fruit to sort
[20:38] <sebas> I don't know the NM API myself, doing more on the UI side
[20:38] <sebas> DaSkreech: yeah
[20:38] <DaSkreech> sebas: Throw up a JJ page for it on Techbase
[20:39] <sebas> I was more than once tempted to just reply "of course, moron."
[20:39] <sebas> smarter: Having some help with the non-plasma UI bits would be really useful
[20:40]  * sebas goes back to releasing KDE instead. :P
[20:40] <smarter> sebas: okay, I might try to hack on it a bit if I get some free time :)
[20:41] <sebas> Cool :)
[20:41] <sebas> If you run into problems, email me (sebas@k.o, wstephenson@k.o and coolo@k.o) someone will know :)
[20:41] <ScottK> Alpha 3 Freeze in < 1 hour, so if there's anything for Main that needs doing, it needs to get done ....
[20:42]  * jussi01 is happy someone has volunteered :)
[20:42] <smarter> sebas: okay :)
[20:43] <ScottK> OK, since smarter is going to make the NM plasmoid work, k3b is the big question mark.
[20:45] <smarter> ScottK: uh, I didn't say that :P
[20:46] <smarter> might give a hand, but after viewing the TODO I guess it would require a lot more to get it ready
[20:46] <doc__> hi there
[20:46] <ScottK> You're young and energetic.
[20:47] <smarter> ScottK: but got tons of exams :p
[20:47] <ScottK> Yes, and?
[20:47] <smarter> less time for KDE
[20:48] <ScottK> Bah.  You need to work on your priorities.
[20:48] <ScottK> Less time for sleep, maybe.
[20:49] <DaSkreech> :-D
[20:50] <smarter> I'm already über sleepy all the time, any less night sleep would mean that I'd sleep at school d:
[20:52] <DaSkreech> Sleep while driving you aren't doing much then anyway
[20:52] <ScottK> Between the sleep and the fear induced adrenelin you're pretty awake when you get somewhere.
[20:53] <smarter> hehe
[20:54] <ulaas> hi.
[20:54] <DaSkreech> What are the mising bits for 9.04 ?
[20:54] <ulaas> latest update broke my kde4 login
[20:55] <ulaas> something related with kdeinit
[20:55] <smarter> ulaas: apt-cache showpkg kdm
[20:55] <DaSkreech> wow that's pretty
[20:55] <ulaas> no kdm is cool! after user and pass all i get is a black screen and a mouse icon
[20:56]  * ScottK isn't kidding.  Hadn't planned on it, but did that exact thing yesterday.
[20:57] <smarter> ulaas: have you checked if your disk or /home partition is full?
[20:57] <smarter> ScottK: driving while sleeping? :o
[20:57] <ScottK> Only a little bit at a time.
[20:57] <ulaas> smarter:this is a clean 1 part only install. so no issues there. plus i wiped my home folder as wellç
[20:58]  * ScottK was very tired and doesn't recommend the practice.
[20:58] <ulaas> i am sure that this is from an update. however the problem is no wireless without kde.
[20:58] <smarter> [21:55:16] <smarter> ulaas: apt-cache showpkg kdm
[20:59] <ulaas> smarter: what to check? i am on windows now . yuck!!!
[20:59] <DaSkreech> ScottK: you know that's like 1374651397 Times as dangeraous as driving drunk and 14 times as dangerous as driving dead ?
[21:00] <ScottK> Well if one of my kids had done what I did yesterday, I'd have grounded them.
[21:00] <smarter> ulaas: hmm, simpler would be dpkg -l|grep kdebase
[21:00] <smarter> ulaas: then report the version number you see(which should be something like 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1)
[21:00] <ulaas> smarter:also a way to connect wireless with wpa from console would be magic :) is there a way?
[21:01] <smarter> ulaas: yup, but it requires some files editing and is quiet painful to do :/
[21:01] <smarter> there's probably a guide for it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com or http://help.ubuntu.com
[21:01] <smarter> you have to use wpasupplicant
[21:02] <ulaas> smarter: thanks! there i go....
[21:02] <apachelogger> smarter: actually it's not really painful
[21:03] <smarter> apachelogger: I find it a lot more complicated than it should be
[21:08] <DaSkreech> sebas: Forward all questions about will WPA work to smarter :)
[21:09] <smarter> DaSkreech: pfff :p
[21:09] <DaSkreech> smarter: make a techbase JJ page
[21:09] <sebas> DaSkreech: OT, do you know of a nice hotel in Kingston? :)
[21:09] <sebas> I need a bed from Thursday to Friday
[21:09] <DaSkreech> sebas: Oh lord you are landing in Kingston as well?
[21:09] <DaSkreech> What time ?
[21:09] <sebas> yeah
[21:09] <sebas> 8pm
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Umm Hold on
[21:10] <smarter> DaSkreech: JJ? jaunty?
[21:10] <DaSkreech> Let see if I can get you a geek room
[21:10] <DaSkreech> smarter: Juniour Job
[21:10] <sebas> What's a geek room?
[21:11] <smarter> DaSkreech: oh, the TODO file of the networkmanager applet already has lots of JJs :p
[21:11] <DaSkreech> sebas: A member of the LUG wanting to hang out with a celebrity dev :)
[21:11] <apachelogger> smarter: trust me, debian makes this pretty bareable
[21:11] <DaSkreech> smarter:
[21:11] <DaSkreech> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Kopete/JuniorJobs
[21:13] <sebas> DaSkreech: heh
[21:13] <mrvanes> Can anybody tell me what's wrong with kdebase-runtime for amd64 at this moment?
[21:13] <sebas> DaSkreech: Just a nice hotel is OK for me as well
[21:14] <ScottK> mrvanes: Probably not built yet.
[21:14] <sebas> I'll be utterly wasted when I arrive, so won't be a very social guy
[21:14] <ScottK> amd64 builders are way behind.
[21:14] <DaSkreech> sebas: Alright I'll check Four seasons ?
[21:14] <sebas> Like ... 3 hours of sleep, then 20 hours of flying
[21:14] <sebas> DaSkreech: ehm, smaller, cheaper pls :)
[21:14] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[21:14] <sebas> At least ... how much if 4seasons over there? :P
[21:14] <mrvanes> Hmmm... have a completely broken apt (suggesting removal of 30 packages) at the moment... turning thumbs and waiting....
[21:15] <mrvanes> because kdebase-runtime is behind...
[21:18]  * jussi01 is not updating till tomorrow...
[21:19] <smarter> 'night everyone
[21:25] <mrvanes> jussi01: you resp for amd64?
[21:25] <ScottK> mrvanes: It's not any one person, it's an automatic system.  It's just behind today.
[21:26] <mrvanes> ah... ok, get it... thx
[21:33] <mok0> an impressive number of plasmoids are awaiting build
[21:33] <DaSkreech> What counts as impressive?
[21:33] <mok0> DaSkreech: oh, they are just plentyful in the list
[21:34] <mok0> DaSkreech: haven't counted'em
[21:35] <DaSkreech> I wonder if Mars land of mercy is packaged
[21:36] <ScottK> mok0: It's all or soon to be all of them.
[21:36] <ScottK> Upstream slipped a little libplasma3 abi change in on us.
[21:36] <mok0> ScottK: there are a couple sitting in REVU in the "needs work" queue
[21:37] <ScottK> mok0: Please feel free to work on them.  We want as much plasma packaged in this cycle as we can get.
[21:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[21:38] <DaSkreech> Like slideshows for the backgrounds?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: I've always hade slideshow
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> whoa, hade
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> *had
[21:39] <DaSkreech> To hell with it?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:40] <mok0> ScottK: plasmoid-adjustableclock has build problems; if you have access to a 4.2 build environement, please give it a try (I don't)
[21:40] <ScottK> mok0: You don't have a Jaunty pbuilder?
[21:41] <mok0> ScottK: yes, does it have 4.2 already?
[21:41] <DaSkreech> sebas: somewhere between 54 and 120
[21:41] <DaSkreech> still looking
[21:41] <ScottK> mok0: 4.2 RC1
[21:41] <sebas> DaSkreech: sounds ok
[21:41] <mok0> ScottK: ah, well then I can try building myself
[21:41] <ScottK> mok0: Without looking, I'm going to guess http://paste.ubuntu.com/104469/ may be relevant.
[21:42] <mok0> ScottK: thanks
[21:42] <ScottK> mok0: No problem.  That's what I've been fixing most of the afternoon.
[21:45] <DaSkreech> sebas: 54 != seasons
[21:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you haven't, would you update the quassel packaging in Neon to be based on our current Jaunty package?
[21:48] <knusperfrosch> hi! will there be 4.2rc packages?
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Oh right Quassel solves Konversation
[21:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: neon uses /opt
[21:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:48] <DaSkreech> knusperfrosch: Ja
[21:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, but I was thinking about the KDE integration, the SSL cert magic, etc.
[21:49] <ScottK> Merge our updates in
[21:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: neon is low-maintenance packaging :P
[21:49] <ScottK> The KDE integration stuff at least should be low maintenance
[21:50] <apachelogger> it is built with KDE integration
[21:50] <ScottK> I'd like to make sure it gets as widely tested as possible.
[21:50] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:50] <ScottK> Excellent.
[21:51] <mok0> ScottK: yup, it's the same error. Can you refer me to one of the packages you've fixed? I've never worked with cmake before
[21:52] <ScottK> Anything in the archive that starts with plasmoid.
[21:53] <ScottK> mok0: How about plasmoid-spellcheck
[21:53] <mok0> ScottK: ok will take a look.
[21:54] <ScottK> mok0: IIRC you're a quilt fanboy, so it should be easy enough.
[21:54] <mok0> ScottK: I am :-)
[21:54] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[21:59] <sebas> DaSkreech: I'm quite easy on that, something with a bed and no bugs should do
[22:00] <sebas> And preferably somewhere I dare going after dark, that's actually my main concern
[22:00] <DaSkreech> sebas: The lug LInk has that :) I'll ask later if Thursday night is good and let you decide
[22:00] <sebas> Cool, thanks
[22:03] <ScottK> So the funny part is I had 11 uploads hit jaunty-changes today, but it was such a busy day, I only had two in a row once.
[22:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy bumping kdebase-workspace in jaunty on amd64?
[22:03] <ScottK> The funny bit is that 2nd one has been sitting in New for a couple of weeks.
[22:07] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong?
[22:08] <nixternal> make it quick, I am at work still :/
[22:08] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Coming to Camp?
[22:09] <nixternal> doesn't look like it
[22:11] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ok
[22:12] <mok0> ScottK: hm, that fix made it go further, but it's missing a header file called  ui_calendar.h
[22:14] <ScottK> mok0: Does it build-dep on kdebase-workspace-dev
[22:15] <mok0> ScottK: no
[22:15]  * mok0 tries again
[22:17] <ScottK> mok0: FYI for next time http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ui_calendar.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[22:17] <mok0> ScottK: ah, what a cool trick, never thought of that
[22:21] <jussi01> can someone tell me where see if the builds for RC1 are done?
[22:24] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds/
[22:27] <vorian> jussi01: what arch?
[22:27] <jussi01> vorian: amd64
[22:27] <vorian> jaunty or intrepid?
[22:28] <jussi01> intrepid
[22:28] <vorian> you'll have just a little more time to wait
[22:28] <vorian> not much, things just have to finish building
[22:28] <jussi01> vorian: define "a little more time"
[22:28] <jussi01> :D
[22:28] <vorian> i wish i could
[22:30] <jussi01> vorian: np. can you give me a guestimate? minutes? hours? days?
[22:30] <vorian> hours
[22:30] <vorian> maybe less
[22:30] <jussi01> ok,  :)
[22:31] <jjesse> vorian: is it safe to update my jaunty vm yet?
[22:31] <vorian> jjesse: heavens no
[22:31] <vorian> :)
[22:31] <jjesse> vorian: ok, i know you told me last night not to
[22:32] <vorian> yeah, that will be hours
[22:32] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm still waiting on my Jaunty partition
[22:32] <LaserJock> dist-upgraded this morning to see if I'd get more, but no luck on getting plasma to live
[22:36] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: Where does it die?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> My friend was having it die when it called qstardict
[22:36] <DaSkreech> I have no idea why it's calling that
[22:36] <LaserJock> well, when I log in, it just goes black
[22:37] <LaserJock> I see notifications  and cursor, that's it
[22:38] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: what happens if you run plasma from the command line?
[22:38] <LaserJock> I don't know
[22:39] <LaserJock> I'll reboot here and give it a try
[22:41] <jussi01> ok, laziness kicking in, quicklink to jaunty images so I can test in VB?
[22:44] <jussi01> nvm, got unlazy
[22:55] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: well, my issue is that I have no kdebase-workspace-bin right now :-)
[22:56] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: Ha ha
[22:56] <LaserJock> next time I need to be more careful in making sure all of KDE is there before dist-upgrading :-)
[22:57] <LaserJock> I just say kde stuff in the list and went for it
[22:57] <LaserJock> s/say/saw/
[23:09] <mok0> Hm, I have a missing library. Anyone recognize  undefined reference to `ClockApplet::mousePressEvent(QGraphicsSceneMouseEvent*)
[23:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Riddell: at the bottom of the 4.2 rc1 release note for kubuntu s/Bit/Big
[23:11] <Riddell> Nightrose: fixed thanks
[23:11] <Riddell> pending cache
[23:12]  * Hobbsee tries prodding it
[23:15] <cbr> how do you use the official translations of firefox in ubuntu?
[23:15] <cbr> are they incorporated into the package?
[23:16] <Riddell> support in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[23:16] <Riddell> (or to say another way, we do KDE and don't know about firefox)
[23:17] <cbr> mkay, i thought that maybe someone has run into the same issue, np
[23:17] <mok0> Does anyone have an example of a watch file to download a plasmoid tarball from kde-look.org?
[23:17] <vorian> mok0: it's not possible
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> not possible
[23:18] <mok0> vorian: damn
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> darn, beat :P
[23:18] <vorian> hehe
[23:20] <mok0> ... and everything has to be re-tarred?
[23:20] <mok0> from kde-looks I mean
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> unless the author does it right (tm)
[23:21]  * DaSkreech prods back Hobbsee
[23:22] <DaSkreech> cbr: again Waaaay more people in #kubuntu and #ubuntu to run into that issue
[23:22] <vorian> mok0: what is thy package?
[23:23] <mok0> plasmoid_adjustableclock
[23:23] <mok0> vorian: another revu loot
[23:23] <vorian> yours or are you reviewing it?
[23:24] <mok0> vorian: I am trying to build ti
[23:24] <nhandler> mok0: I just subscribe to the package on kde-look so I get notified by email when they upload a new version.
[23:24] <Riddell> aren't all clocks adjustable?
[23:24] <mok0> nhandler: ok, that's a poor substitute for uscan, thoug
[23:24] <vorian> haha
[23:25] <nhandler> mok0: I agree, but it does work
[23:25] <mok0> Riddell: he, afaik it's the appearance that can be adjusted
[23:25]  * nhandler has kept both of his plasmoids up-to-date in that way
[23:25] <vorian> mok0: linky?
[23:25] <mok0> vorian: why what
[23:25] <vorian> link to the plasmoid page
[23:25] <mok0> ah
[23:26] <mok0> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-adjustableclock
[23:26] <mok0> vorian: there's a much newer version available
[23:26] <vorian> i hope so
[23:27] <vorian> this package will not build
[23:27] <mok0> vorian: that's what I'm trying to fix
[23:27] <vorian> the CMakeLists.txt will need to be fix0red
[23:28] <mok0> vorian: I know, I almost have it working
[23:28] <mok0> vorian: except for a linking error
[23:32]  * nhandler is updating to RC1
[23:33] <vorian> lucky
[23:33] <nhandler> Why?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> amd64 queue for jaunty is huge liek xbox
[23:33]  * JontheEchidna hugs his i386
[23:33]  * nhandler has i386 too
[23:34] <nhandler> and intrepid right now
[23:34] <vorian> jebbeez! kdeutils, kdeplasma-addons, kdesdk, kdeadmin, kdetoys, kdebase-workspace, kdebase-runtime are all still in the amd64 queue
[23:34]  * NCommander hugs his i386, amd64, lpia, powerpc, and armel
[23:34] <NCommander> :-)
[23:34] <nhandler> NCommander: Want to send me a machine or two?
[23:35]  * nhandler needs to replace his crappy Dell Inspiron 6000
[23:35] <NCommander> the i386 is mostly dead, the amd64 is mine, and the armel is needed
[23:35] <NCommander> so no :-P
[23:35] <nhandler> :'(
[23:36] <NCommander> I could consider shell accounts
[23:36] <nhandler> But does anyone here have any ideas why I can't get a jaunty pbuilder working on intrepid?
[23:36] <NCommander> nhandler, whats the issue?
[23:36] <nhandler> NCommander: Nah, that is fine. I just want a new computer ;)
[23:36]  * NCommander shoots nhandler 
[23:36] <ScottK> nhandler: Do you have intrepid-backports enabled?
[23:36]  * JontheEchidna needs to replace his uber crappy Compaq Presario
[23:36] <nhandler> ScottK: I should, I'll double check
[23:36] <NCommander> nhandler, whats the specific error with chroot creation
[23:37] <seele> yaay
[23:37]  * seele upgrades to RC
[23:37]  * NCommander is trying to fix RC
[23:37]  * seele hugs the kubuntu ninjas
[23:37] <NCommander> ScottK, so the ICE was seemingly fixed with the last compiler upgrade
[23:37] <NCommander> *coughs*
[23:37] <nhandler> NCommander: One second, I'll run it again
[23:37] <NCommander> If so, I'll work on descrewing KDE RC1
[23:37] <NCommander> again.
[23:37] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:38] <NCommander> As an ARM porter, i don't think KDE will ever leave my TODO list
[23:38] <Sput> seele: do you have a good idea how quassel's welcome screen could look like (instead of the logo area), and are willing to do a mockup for us or give us some suggestions? the idea being that the user should be able to perform important tasks right away without looking through menus
[23:38] <Sput> (I think that was your idea even)
[23:39] <seele> Sput: i can give it a whirl, but can you remind me later this week? i'm out at a conference for a client so i'm a bit limited
[23:39] <Riddell> welcome screen?
[23:39] <Sput> seele: sure thing :)
[23:39] <Riddell> important tasks right away++
[23:40] <Sput> Riddell: on first start (i.e., with no networks active) quassel now displays a large area with just a logo on it... the idea is to make use of that :)
[23:41] <Sput> so some shortcuts for the user to edit his default identity (enter a nick at least), and connect to existing (default) networks
[23:41] <Sput> or something like that
[23:41] <mok0> vorian: yay new version built
[23:41] <vorian> excellent!
[23:42] <Riddell> that seems sensible
[23:45] <seele>   kuser: Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.96) but 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[23:45] <seele> hrm
[23:45] <nhandler> seele: Where is that?
[23:46] <seele> nhandler: apt-get after upgrading.  i saw that kuser didnt get updated
[23:47] <seele> this too
[23:47] <seele>   python-kde4: Depends: kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.96) but 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[23:48] <nhandler> Try doing an apt-get update seele
[23:48] <ScottK> No kde4bindings yet.
[23:48] <nhandler> ScottK: It should be in k-e
[23:48] <seele> nhandler: i did right before i upgraded. about 10 minutes ago
[23:49]  * JontheEchidna can't see it in -experimental
[23:49] <nhandler> wtf
[23:49]  * nhandler goes to look
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, beware that the copying page can't display all the packages in the ppa
[23:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: poke
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> it's limited to 20, so you have to manually search for those that aren't on the apge
[23:50] <LaserJock> seele: you got:
[23:50] <LaserJock> The following packages have been kept back:
[23:50] <LaserJock>   kuser python-kde4
[23:50] <LaserJock> ?
[23:50] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Talk about a UI bug
[23:50] <nhandler> I'll get the rest
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah :/
[23:51] <LaserJock> I think that bug has been filed somewhere
[23:52] <LaserJock> it's been around for quite some time
[23:53] <mok0> I learned something today. Another great day
[23:54] <mok0> g
[23:54] <mok0> g'night all
[23:55] <seele> LaserJock: yes
[23:55] <seele> and plasma crashes on startup and doesnt restart
[23:55] <seele> so i'm back to using neon
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoids probably need copying too
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> (rsibreak and plasmoid-quickaccess
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> )
[23:57] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I'm including them
[23:57] <LaserJock> seele: that's on intrepid?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> nhandler++
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> ~karma nhandler
[23:57] <kubotu> karma for nhandler: 3
[23:57] <seele> LaserJock: yep
[23:57] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Ok, hopefully everything is there now
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[23:57] <seele> ~karma seele
[23:57] <kubotu> seele has neutral karma
[23:57] <seele> lol
[23:58] <seele> better than 0 karma
[23:58] <xerosis> I can confirm the plasma crashage on intrepid
[23:58] <jjesse_> ~karma jjesse
[23:58] <kubotu> karma for jjesse: 1
[23:58] <jjesse_> yay 1
[23:58] <jjesse_> how did i get 1 karma?
[23:58]  * ScottK guesses he has none.
[23:58] <nhandler> ~karma
[23:58] <kubotu> karma for nhandler: 3
[23:58] <ScottK> ~karma ScottK
[23:58] <kubotu> karma for ScottK: 5
[23:58] <jjesse_> ~karma scottk
[23:58] <kubotu> karma for scottk: 5
[23:58] <ScottK> Woh.
[23:58] <jjesse_> is that launchpad karma or some other karma?
[23:59] <nhandler> jjesse_: It is only for this channle
[23:59] <seele> irc bot karma
[23:59] <neversfelde> ~karma
[23:59] <kubotu> neversfelde has neutral karma
[23:59] <neversfelde> mhh