[00:00] Hobbsee: he went to bed [00:00] can I help you? [00:00] Nightrose: ah, ah well. [00:01] Nightrose: was just going to talk about what stuff was there for archive admin, but it can wait [00:01] alright :) [00:02] Hobbsee: Just out of curiosity, how did you become an archive admin? Same way you became a core-dev ;) [00:02] hehe [00:03] nhandler: it was found to be a requirement as part of being on the release team. [00:04] Interesting. I didn't know that requirement existed [00:06] well, it was while we actually did hard freezes [00:10] apachelogger, ping === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [00:49] NCommander: he's in bed [01:00] ScottK, thanks for your comments on my core dev app [01:15] Are there plans for jaunty to have 4.2RC or are you guys waiting until 4.2 final? [01:17] astromme_: yes the RC will be released on schedule [01:18] vorian: Excellent, good to hear. I'm excited and it will be good to be able to build kdevelop again. [01:18] :) [01:19] Ohh, exciting, RC1 is due out tomorrow [01:20] :) [01:44] Ewww... I'm using dapper as a rescue disk... looks... tacky... compared to KDE4 :) [01:44] ryanakca: Why not use a more recent live cd? [01:45] nhandler: because I'm not sure if I have any other live cds burned (I have a tendency of not labelling things)... and I'd rather just take the shipit cd than go through the spindle... [01:45] Anyways, all I need is fdisk [01:46] Whenever a new (K)Ubuntu is released, I order it from shipit. That way, I have a pretty copy [01:46] nhandler: I ordered a CD... but... I never received it... :/ [01:47] When did you order it? [01:47] * ryanakca checks [01:49] nhandler: hmm... didn't order any intrepid, but, for 8.06, 1 CDs requested on 2008-06-26. This request was not approved, so no CDs were shipped. [01:50] I ordered an intrepid cd, came about a month ago (took a month) [01:51] I go to college in Philadelphia, so I had it sent there... worked just fine [01:51] * nhandler just accidentally uploaded to Ubuntu instead of PPA f*** [01:57] nhandler: I did that in Main during a freeze once. Set you default dput target to something nonsensical so you always have to specify. [01:58] ScottK: I just did that. The worst part is that the package just FTBFS. I think I know the issue. I'll test the fix in my ppa and then reupload [02:07] This is funny. Yesterday, the lpia ppa buildd was taking forever to get to my packages. Today, it is building them faster than i386 and amd64 [02:07] ha [02:08] Good news is that I only have a few more packages to backport [02:08] Should I backport l10n? [02:23] ok, I want to get a proper count of hard drives on a machine and it needs to scale, so no counting /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* and such...what is the best way? [02:23] drives could either be sata, scsi, sas, and who know what the future holds [02:23] does linux now place all info under /proc/scsci/ ? [02:23] no matter the drive type? [02:37] nixternal: finally got to your blogs re; netbook, i love my dell mini 9 and i hack away at ubuntu-docs all the time on it [02:37] nixternal and have no problem iwth the keyboard [02:37] I have tried the mini 9, keyboard sucks for me [02:37] right now Samsung and HP have the best keyboards for my 2 slabs of meat at the end of my arms [02:37] really? i enjoy the keyboard, works great for me [02:37] lol at slabs of meat [02:39] ha [02:39] just updating vm of jaunty, wow there are a lot of updates, including a ton of new packages installed [02:40] don't install anything!!1111one [02:40] give it another 12 hours or so [02:42] vorian; too late i think :) [02:42] oh boy [02:42] hrmm was just downloading still [02:42] canceled the download [02:42] i think most of the x86 has passed though [02:42] lots of issues in jaunty? [02:42] ok i'll wait :) [02:42] no, 4.1.96 is about half way finished building [02:42] :) [02:43] ah then i'll wait [02:43] oh yeah, you'd be in big trouble [02:43] kde4bindings is still building for 386 [02:43] nhandler: no, we don't generally backport l10n packages. There are like 40 of them :S [02:44] JontheEchidna: I also learned why bindings built so easily, it was an older version ;) [02:44] lol [02:44] Yeah, I noticed once I started getting a few FTBFS [02:45] Riddell: Uploaded kde3bindings, so please accept into Universe when you get a chance. [02:55] NCommander: You're welcome. [02:56] btw, /me plays Uno too. [02:56] ScottK, Uno? [02:57] It came up earlier in the day. [02:57] Card game. [02:57] * ScottK just got done with 11 hours of backscroll. [02:57] heh [02:57] * nhandler notes there is ##uno [02:58] jpds: Why didn't you ack Ardour for Hardy too? [02:58] wow ScottK you read all 11 hours of backscroll [02:58] that's amazing [02:58] Anyone know if we managed to stuff the late breaking konqmimedata.cpp patch into our 4.1.4 packages? [02:59] * ScottK confesses to skimming some parts. [02:59] still wow [02:59] * ScottK got hilighted enough he had to look at most of it for context. [02:59] * ScottK reads fast too. === akonadi is now known as nihui [03:16] BTW, I think I've cleared Jaunty of stuff that doesn't work with Amarok 2. [03:16] :D [03:16] * ScottK notices he blew right by NCommander on UTU in the process. [03:17] Is UTU up right now? [03:17] Yes. [03:17] New URL. [03:17] What is it? [03:18] http://thc.emgent.org/utu/utu_jaunty.php [03:19] I'm going to suggest that they add the UTU to the hall-of-fame [03:19] What happened to uploading 4.1.4? [03:19] it was uploaded earlier today [03:19] nhandler: I've suggested it to emgent before. [03:19] Just not accepted yet, I guess. [03:19] right [03:20] 12pm est [03:20] ScottK: Why to emgent? Go to jono or whoever is doing HoF [03:20] * nhandler notes that that is how he got REVU added [03:20] Because emgent would either have to hand over the code of make UTU actually reliable. [03:20] what is utu? [03:20] Up for 1 day in 7 doesn't do it. [03:20] netowrk time out of me [03:20] Ubuntu Top Uploaders [03:20] ah [03:20] http://thc.emgent.org/utu/utu_jaunty.php [03:21] ScottK: True, the uptime would be an issue. But the code is very simple. norsetto gave me his old version. I then ported it to perl [03:21] It is very similar to what emgent is running [03:21] OK. [03:22] ported/obfuscated, but yeah. [03:22] Converting to Perl is by definition obfuscating. [03:22] ScottK: In this case, the perl is about as obfuscated as its python equivalent [03:23] That can happen. [03:23] The difference is in Python you have to work to make it obfuscated and in Perl you have to work to make it clear. [03:24] Mind you, you might have said PHP and then I'd just have to be ill. [03:25] Well, lucky for you, I don't use PHP [03:28] ScottK, **** ;-P [03:28] nhandler: No. I'd say lucky for you too. [03:28] NCommander: Got kde4ilbs on armel fixed yet? [03:29] No [03:29] My ARM board is about to go flying out the nearest window at the rate I'm going :-P [03:29] Please fix, then throw after. [03:30] ScottK, bug apachelogger for me to comment on my core dev application [03:30] OK. [03:30] apachelogger: Comment on NCommander's core-dev application. [03:30] Did apachelogger already comment on it? [03:30] Nope [03:31] Part of the reason why its stalle [03:31] We're in the follow-up section anyway. [03:31] *stalled [03:31] Maybe in retrospect it wasn't the best idea to apply over christmas [03:31] NCommander: Kirkland applied in October. He's still not core-dev. [03:31] Did we become Debian NM and no one told me? [03:31] ScottK: Isn't that why the MOTU Council is working on improving the process? [03:32] * NCommander notes he still hasn't used his DD uploading powers yet [03:32] Oooh. [03:32] crao [03:32] *crap [03:32] shouldn't have said that [03:32] NCommander: Sponsor an NMU for me? [03:32] ScottK, let me guess? A little roll reversal :-)? [03:32] ScottK, bug? [03:32] NCommander: Did you ever get a chance to look at that package again for me? [03:32] nhandler, no [03:32] NCommander: I didn't write the NMU fix yet. [03:33] kinda slipped off the radar [03:33] Ok, np [03:33] It won't take long. [03:33] ScottK, yesh, at least I only bug you for sponsoring when I have the fix already :-P [03:33] * NCommander is shot [03:33] * ScottK hands NCommander a band-aid [03:33] lol [03:33] I can apperiate the irony that I have to sponsor you. [03:33] Just rewards and all that. [03:34] NCommander: I've sponsored my AM in Ubuntu, so it all goes around. [03:34] whats the NMU? [03:34] * ScottK looks for the bug [03:34] (or which maintainer am I going to be pissing off) [03:34] No one important. [03:35] * NCommander installs KDE's build deps [03:35] NCommander: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511037 [03:35] Debian bug 511037 in python-dkim "python-dkim: tries to overwrite file owned by dkimproxy (again!)" [Serious,Open] [03:36] python-dkim is mine and the dkimproxy upstream just came back and gave the OK to rename stuff in dkimproxy [03:36] So in other words, my inbox isn't going to be decimated by a POed DD? [03:36] * NCommander has already experienced the "fun" in that [03:36] Nope. Maintainer is not a DD. [03:37] s/DD/D Something [03:37] :-P! [03:37] ScottK, remember to request the unblock once I sponsor [03:37] NCommander: Sure thing. [03:38] Extra bonus tip: I recommend setting your urgency to high [03:38] (its somewhat annoying waiting ten days just so the release team can unblock) [03:38] OK. I'd have gone for Medium, but you're the sponsor [03:38] Doesn't really matter [03:38] its your patch [03:38] if it compiles and doesn't break $WORLD, I'll upload it [03:43] OK. [03:43] I'm doing it now. [03:46] * ScottK is tempted to file an new bug on dkimproxy while he is at it, "Maintainer provided man pages complete crap." [03:49] At least the NMU template works. [03:53] ScottK: Have you tried the Amarok 2 package? I can't seem to get a collection built. It shows the progressbar but no collection shows up. [03:53] I have not, but others have. [03:53] * ScottK looks at vorian. [03:53] astromme_: I tried out amarok 2, but I didn't actually try building a collection [03:53] astromme_: there is a fix in progress [03:53] It was working fine for me with the neon 2.0.0 packages [03:54] vorian: Oh, so it's known? [03:54] as soon as it clears the build machines [03:54] yes [03:54] Great, good to know. [03:54] you can install mysql-server-5.1 to fix it now [03:54] * astromme_ never remembers how important his dynamic playlists are until they're gone [03:55] vorian: Alright, downloading. Fingers crossed [03:56] * ScottK waits for the sid pbuilder to update . [03:56] vorian: is that going to make it into ~kubuntu-experimental PPA? [03:57] LaserJock: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0.1.1 [03:57] vorian: I got the fixed version a few hours ago [03:57] sorry, I meant ~kubuntu-memebers-kde4 PPA [03:57] JontheEchidna: then you are running x386 [03:58] vorian: I have no mysql-server-5.1 here [03:58] yay for multiple archs [03:58] the backported version has the necessary depends LaserJock [03:59] but it will be called amarok-mysql-server or some such thing [03:59] I have amarok-mysql-data [04:00] that's the one [04:00] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.0.1.1-0ubuntu3 [04:00] 11 hours! [04:00] you'd think we flooded the build machines today or something :P [04:01] lol =). Gotta love large releases [04:02] Aha! Amarok 2 is taking much longer to scan the collection. I think that's a good sign [04:02] vorian: i386 and amd64 have been really slow today for the ppas [04:02] yeah [04:03] * vorian wonders what has a private build on official build machines [04:04] NCommander: NMU diff mailed to the bug. You want it some way else? [04:12] * astromme_ is excited. His collection works again in amarok! [04:13] * NCommander blows the dust off his sid chroot [04:14] bah, I wish you could set exclusions for the collection folder [04:14] Excellent. Once that's uploaded I'll know which package version to conflict with. [04:16] * NCommander is amazed [04:16] A non-source upload [04:16] This is a first :-) === akonadi is now known as nihui [04:17] my chroot almost done updating [04:21] bug 267497 [04:21] Launchpad bug 267497 in network-manager-applet "MASTER support for connection sharing missing - Was: networkmanager offers no simple function to make one computer's internet connection available to other computers, using Wi-Fi / WLAN" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267497 [04:22] eek [04:22] this the place to ask about problems in the 4.2 beta? [04:23] sure [04:23] are you running jaunty? [04:23] well sound works in everything EXCEPT amarok. no, this is on top of inrepid, via the neon nightlies [04:24] what's not working with amarok? [04:24] no audio output [04:24] do you have other sound? [04:25] yes, as far as i can tell everything else puts out sound, like vlc mplayer and even pidgin [04:25] hmm [04:25] ive tried goin into the system settings and rearranging the sound devices, to no avail [04:26] it started when i got an error that 'sound device nvidia somethingorother is not working" when i logged in, and have not gotten sound since [04:30] that particular sound device has not worked at all, i might add. its named as "NVIDIA CK804 with ALC850 (NVidia CK804)" [04:33] well this is strange. just changing the order under 'audio output' doesnt change the order for the subcategories. so i reordered the devices in each category, and now amarok returns the error that it could not find any collection plugins [05:13] vorian: So mark down libmysqlclient16-dev on your list ..... [05:14] ScottK: amarok build-depends on libmysqlclient-dev, not libmysqlclient15-dev [05:14] Right, but both 15 and the soon to be 16 provide that. [05:14] You want to make sure we get the 5.1 one. [05:14] ah noted [05:16] yeah, you guys broke OO.o :p [05:16] ha [05:18] Nope. Server Team did the mysql 5.1 upload. [05:18] Not our fault at all. [05:18] The fact that we were pushing them to get it done quickly had nothing to do with it. [05:18] ;-) [05:24] * ScottK is really glad he didn't upload mysql 5.1. [05:24] * ScottK considered it. [05:25] * ScottK goes to be before his head esploads. [05:25] Good night all. [08:58] msn support in kopete 4.1.96? [08:58] no? [09:09] okay, the first thing when entering the 4.1.96 in jaunty is a message informing me that plasma has received SIGSEGV [09:09] msn support in kopete 4.1.96 <-- yes! [09:09] and no desktop appears [09:10] is that a known issue? [09:10] i'm of course overly joyful that something like this still happens in an RC.. and am crossing my fingers for it to be a kubuntu issue :p [09:18] oh.. kdebase-workspace is not updated yet [09:18] maybe that's why plasma is being evil at me [09:18] didnt notice that [09:27] hi! [09:27] will vpnc work again with knetworkmanager in 9.04? [10:03] nihui: for dependency reason, we can not have WML support in kubuntu(a.k.a. msn) [10:03] by now [10:11] Lure: Hi! Thx for your help. Installing marble-data fixed my issue with digikam plugin. [10:14] freeflying: ??? [10:14] libmsn -> kopete WLM support ~~ [10:15] nihui: yes, for libmsn [10:29] hi there [10:29] Tonio! [10:29] I just tests rc1 packages on jaunty.... plasma is broken here, receiving a dbus time out error... [10:30] is that known problem or is that just my computer ? [10:30] Riddell: hey ;) [10:30] Riddell: I HAVE internet at home :) [10:30] Riddell: finally, since a couple of days :) [10:30] Riddell: libpackagekit and kpackagekit are waiting in the NEW queue, btw [10:30] ooh [10:31] Tonio_: what about policykit-kde? isn't that needed first? [10:31] Riddell: also uploaded kde4 version of kipi-plugins [10:31] Lure ^^ [10:31] Riddell: and working on k3b atm [10:31] Riddell: I'll wait for kde 4.2 to be released since there are commits everyday [10:31] Tonio_: Lure tried k3b from svn yesterday and said he couldn't get it to do anything with the CDs [10:31] Riddell: then I'll upload it [10:31] Riddell: as for network-manager-kde [10:32] so test it out hard [10:32] they both don't work at the moment, so I keep them localy and test them every day [10:33] Riddell: I'll contact upstream for those 2 directly... [10:33] Riddell: so what about plasma ? am I the only one with a broken thing ? [10:33] Tonio_: working fine with me using packages from kubuntu-ninjas, I havn't looked at what's compiled in jaunty yet, maybe something hasn't compiled yet and there's an incompatibility [10:38] oh nice, 4.1.96 works now [10:38] that kdebase-workspace got built [10:42] Riddell: well I'll retry then :) [10:43] Riddell: I give policykit-kde a complete review toonight and will let you know [10:43] Riddell: still a bit messy in my appartment, so I'll be 60% available only for a couple of weeks.... I have to buy a few things I miss in there to be comfortable :) [10:45] Riddell: but I'm back, definately [10:45] he's back! [10:46] yup.... you cannot imagin how it is to live 7 month without any internet connection at home [10:46] Riddell: that's a nightmare for a geek [10:46] the good point is that you rediscover a couple of things :) like reading books and so on :) [10:46] * Tonio_ reboots on linux and gives plasma a test === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Test Upgrading! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidKDE42Upgrades | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs [10:51] it works :) [10:52] formidable [10:52] Riddell: is there a main inclusion report for libmsn ? [10:52] Riddell: we need this for msn support back in kopete [10:52] Tonio_: yes, as usual it's blocked on security review [10:52] I'm going to just promote it to main after the alpha [10:52] as well as ssl support for jabber for gmail [10:52] I don't remember the required dep for that... [10:53] hum looks like this is done, great [10:53] Riddell: okay [10:54] Riddell: I saw that mysql-server if going 5.1, sounds good for us :) [10:54] it's not [10:54] not in main anyway [10:55] Riddell: can't we get that done ? [10:55] hopefully we can get something in, but not the whole thing [10:56] hum, all we need is the runtime right ? [10:57] the libmysql.a is all, and some amount of mysql-data [11:00] hum okay === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [11:27] hi, is here anyone using PyKDE4? i somehow can't use it :-( [11:45] oh [12:00] Tonio_: hi! long time no read... [12:01] Tonio_: what version of kipiplugins did you upload [12:01] * Lure has uploaded beta6 couple of days ago... === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [12:19] apachelogger: kdepim failed with "/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or" [12:19] something wrong with the quilt detection you added to cdbs? [12:22] who broke koffice in backports? [12:22] mmm? [12:23] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen [12:25] grr [12:25] nixternal: what version of kde-icons-oxygen do you have? [12:25] good point :) [12:26] I tend to forget I am not running kde4 from the main repos :) [12:27] apachelogger: ah, it does have a patch [12:27] * Riddell fixes === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [12:55] Lure: I uploaded kde4 beta6 version [12:56] Lure: long time no see :) happy new year !! [12:56] Lure: hum, I couldn't see it in the archives.... did you upload in a ppa ? [12:58] hum kmail's currently broken... [12:59] ho kdepim fails, right... [12:59] Riddell: want me to fix kdepim ? [12:59] Tonio_: I just uploaded it [13:00] Riddell: okay, missing build-dep I suspect ? [13:00] yes [13:01] hum file conflicts between kmousetool and kttsd [13:01] both have /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/female.png [13:01] fixing... [13:02] Tonio_: please update the bzr branches too [13:02] yup [13:02] bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members//ubuntu/ [13:05] Tonio_: did colomar get in contact with you again? he has been having trouble using kpackagekit to get anything installed [13:10] seele: hum he contacted me 2 weeks, then I responded and fixed the packages on my ppa [13:10] seele: no news since then.... [13:10] Riddell: it was in ppa, and later to main archives [13:10] or better universe archives [13:11] Tonio_: ^^^ [13:11] Tonio_: and happy new year to you too! [13:11] Tonio_: was your upload accepted or rejected (because of smaller/same version)? [13:11] Lure: hum lemme look :) [13:12] Riddell: kdebase-runtime RC version missing in jaunty - know issue? [13:12] Lure: rejected, which is fine :) [13:12] Tonio_: I did beta version of both digikam/kipi [13:12] Tonio_: hum.. i wonder who he talked to then [13:12] * Lure is back in digikam/kipi hacking ;-) [13:12] * Lure and ubuntu polishing ;-) [13:12] Lure: it's there, although not amd64 yet https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1 [13:13] Riddell: ok, then I just need to wait [13:13] Tonio_: this happens any time you try to install a package: "The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!" [13:13] seele: well as I said him the packages are on my ppa for intrepid... [13:14] seele: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive [13:14] Tonio_: yes, that is where we got it from [13:14] seele: he should have been able to test from there [13:15] seele: you also have to use the policykit-gnome thing at the moment since the kde equivalent is missing/broken [13:15] hmm.. maybe that's the problem [13:15] huh.. no that's installed [13:16] seele: hum.... [13:16] seele: what about the "policykit-gnome" package, is it installed ? [13:17] seele: with this one it is supposed to work... [13:17] seele: I expect to give latest policykit-kde a complete test toonight, on that purpose... [13:17] Tonio_: yes policykit-gnome is installed [13:19] seele: weird.... what dosn't work then ? [13:19] seele: please report to me by mail, I'll give a test since I'll work on those toonight :) [13:19] Tonio_: installing software doesnt work. i'll send you mail then [13:20] is kpackagekit written in c++? [13:20] woow, the folderview highlight effect looks so nice [13:20] seele: yes it is [13:20] seele: hum, works for me [13:21] Tonio_: did you uninstall adept or maybe we missed a dependency? [13:21] seele: you may also need to check permissions and unsure your user is authorized software installation [13:21] seele: that's the purpose of policykit [13:21] seele: I haven't adept installed [13:21] so it asking me for the admin password isnt enough? [13:22] seele: to set permissions, you may have to start : sudo polkit-gnome-authorization [13:22] seele: check if your user is allowed installations, upgrades etc... [13:23] seele: [13:23] seele: policykit requires : user/group allowed a task and then if yes, auth mode (could be with or without a password and so on) [13:23] Tonio_: aah, none of that was set. hopefully that was the problem [13:23] seele: probably yes :) [13:24] seele: we'll have to be sure default settings are convenient on that point ! [13:24] after today's upgrade, plasma can not start [13:24] anyone suffered this? [13:24] seele: atm, policykit-kde works for authentication if password isn't asked, but fails authenticate with password... [13:24] huh, i think kpackagekit is also buggy. i always get problems searching for software [13:24] freeflying: update again, will work :) [13:24] hehe [13:25] seele: didn't see many problems with kpackagekit for the moment [13:26] Tonio_: do you have a minute to try something? searching for "game" works, but searching for "games" gives me some backend forking error [13:26] ack.. wtf. now if i search for game again it gives me the forking error [13:26] Tonio_: since it works on yours, i dont know if i have something screwed up or if it is a bug [13:28] ScottK: Needs source changes, I'll do the process described at help.u.c and get it done asap. [13:29] jpds: OK. I guess i missed that in the bug. BTW, MOTU can upload source backports now, so you can just do it. [13:29] hmmmm, does motu still use revu? [13:30] I apparently got revu account 3 years ago [13:30] or something [13:30] * freeflying seldom use ruve now [13:30] Tm_T: Yes. For new packages, but it uses your LP ID now. [13:30] ScottK: I don't have to do the stuff at: http://tinyurl.com/a5dpjx - just fire and forget? [13:30] ScottK: I thought so [13:31] ScottK: I can upload new package directly? is it? [13:32] jpds: Since you're a backporter, you can skip the attach the debdiff and have it reviewed step as you can do your own review. [13:32] freeflying: Even MOTU are recommended to get their packages reviewed. [13:34] ScottK: I just sposor upload for others from revu, is it ok? [13:34] * freeflying need to learn more to catch up [13:34] * vorian has his packages reviewed [13:34] freeflying: For non-MOTU it needs two MOTU to advocate for a new package, so if you're the second, certainly. [13:35] what needs reviewed? [13:35] I have some time while i try and fix kdeartwork [13:35] ScottK: OK; I'll get that done this evening. [13:36]