| alecwh | Hello, I would like to turn on my automatic vacation responder on Gmail, however, I'm worried that if I get bug report/question on my launchpad project, Gmail will respond to it with my vacation responder. How can I stop this from happening, or does Launchpad already protect against this? | 00:14 |
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| MTecknology | how do I make the firefox search bar not use google.com/firefox - anybody have a clue? | 00:15 |
| MTecknology | sorry - wrong channel | 00:15 |
| sinzui | alecwh: We have not added vacation handling to Launchpad yet. It is discussed from time to time. | 00:16 |
| alecwh | sinzui: So, if I do get a bug report, my vacation responder on Gmail will reply to it, and it will show up on launchpad.net? | 00:17 |
| sinzui | Yes | 00:17 |
| alecwh | is there any way to temporarily disable my ability to reply to reports on Launchpad, so LP will just ignore them? | 00:18 |
| Hobbsee | sinzui: is there any ETA on getting it done? | 00:19 |
| maxb | Does Launchpad not watch out for the Precedence header for this sort of thing? | 00:19 |
| Hobbsee | maxb: doesn't seem to, or doesn't work. There have been some lovely bugs with many people and teams subscribed, and an autoresponder | 00:20 |
| sinzui | Hobbsee it is on the priority list for this year, but it is not scheduled for development yet | 00:20 |
| alecwh | are there any recommendations for avoiding this...? It is pretty important that I have a vacation responder. | 00:21 |
| alecwh | And I don't want to clog up bug reports, questions, etc. | 00:21 |
| Hobbsee | alecwh: afaik, there is no way to disable bugmail. | 00:21 |
| Hobbsee | alecwh: although, if you changed your primary address to somewhere else (like a gmail account or something), then that would work | 00:22 |
| Hobbsee | all the mail would be sent there, and just don't turn a responder on for that account | 00:22 |
| alecwh | Hobbsee: not a bad idea, but I would also like the bug reports to be emailed to my primary email address. =( | 00:22 |
| Hobbsee | either that, or you create filters that just send it straight to trash (or wherever your autoresponder won't respond to it) | 00:22 |
| Hobbsee | alecwh: you can change it back when you get back | 00:22 |
| maxb | "Precedence: bulk" seems to be the standard header for this sort of thing, and gmail's autoresponder does send it | 00:23 |
| maxb | (If that's useful to put in a launchpad bug somewhere for when it gets done) | 00:23 |
| alecwh | Hobbsee: well, I'll just have to go with that... | 00:25 |
| alecwh | thanks. | 00:25 |
| sinzui | Hobbsee: https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionThreeDotO/Registry I don't expect to be working on this kind of issue until the end of spring. Getting project registration will take up most of your time in the Registry. | 00:25 |
| Hobbsee | alecwh: you're welcome. There's really not a lot one can actually do, launchpad-side with mail | 00:25 |
| Hobbsee | sinzui: spring. Where are you? | 00:26 |
| Hobbsee | sinzui: as in, which hemisphere's spring are you meaning? | 00:26 |
| sinzui | Hobbsee: sorry. I am think 5 months | 00:26 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right | 00:26 |
| Hobbsee | cool :) | 00:27 |
| Hobbsee | ahh, hidden teams :) | 00:28 |
| sinzui | Hobbsee: That is happen now | 00:28 |
| Hobbsee | they 404 on their project page, not 403? | 00:29 |
| sinzui | I really must put gerrunds on the ends of my words | 00:29 |
| sinzui | Hobbsee: They should get a 404. Trying to register a project under the same name should not imply the team exists | 00:29 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 00:29 |
| Hobbsee | i guess the only part of that i've found is that it doesn't work for public teams with private ppas, which may not come under that banner | 00:30 |
| sinzui | It does. | 00:31 |
| sinzui | As does branches | 00:31 |
| sinzui | I think there is a subtle amount of irony in that the two most important themes for the registry this year are make project and team organisation transparent, while also providing hidden projects and teams. | 00:33 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 00:36 |
| Ryan52 | is launchpad down? | 00:42 |
| jml | Ryan52: I don't think so. | 00:43 |
| jml | Ryan52: but it seems v. slow -- much more so than normal. | 00:43 |
| * Ryan52 got "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." | 00:44 | |
| * Hobbsee gets that too | 00:44 | |
| Hobbsee | edge's alive, productions down | 00:45 |
| Hobbsee | jml: you tried edge, i presume? | 00:45 |
| Ryan52 | how do I get at edge? I've seen URL's to it, but don't have the muscle memory yet. | 00:45 |
| jml | Hobbsee: yeah. | 00:45 |
| Hobbsee | Ryan52: edge.launchpad.net | 00:45 |
| Hobbsee | jml: try production ;) | 00:45 |
| Ryan52 | oh, right :p | 00:46 |
| jml | Hobbsee: yeah, mthaddon just confirmed it's down. | 00:46 |
| Hobbsee | ah, good | 00:46 |
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| mthaddon | Hobbsee: should be better now, we hope (have reverted some app servers away from the slave DB server) | 00:49 |
| spm | .. for larger values of "some" :-) | 00:49 |
| Ryan52 | much better. thanks! | 00:50 |
| RAOF | Is anyone on the PPA team looking at the long-standing bug preventing anything using mono from being built on the amd64 PPA buildds? | 03:35 |
| RAOF | This is bug #270031 | 03:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270031 in launchpad-buildd "Mono segfaults on amd64 PPA buildds" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270031 | 03:36 |
| RAOF | This is getting a little annoying for gnome-do :/ | 03:38 |
| lifeless | RAOF: how is that a PPA bug | 03:39 |
| RAOF | lifeless: mono only segfaults on the PPA buildds? | 03:40 |
| lifeless | RAOF: sure sounds like a mono issue | 03:40 |
| RAOF | The same source builds fine locally in a pbuilder or sbuild environment, and just fine on the main archive buildds. | 03:40 |
| RAOF | Furthermore, the version of mono didn't change between it successfully building in the PPA and it segfaulting in the PPA. | 03:41 |
| lifeless | I'm not denying that there is something about PPA's triggering it | 03:41 |
| RAOF | It _might_ be a mono problem, but there's something pretty specific to the PPA buildds that triggers it. | 03:41 |
| RAOF | Also, if it is a mono problem, I'm utterly incapable of debugging it, and access to the PPA chroots would be pretty invaluable for debugging. | 03:45 |
| lifeless | getting a backtrace of the segfault would be useful | 03:46 |
| lifeless | I think | 03:46 |
| RAOF | I suppose I could upload a package which ran gdb mono in the build process. Is gdb scriptable? | 03:47 |
| mwhudson | yes | 03:48 |
| RAOF | Hm. -x looks to be the winner. Let's give that a try. | 03:50 |
| mwhudson | it's a bit of a pest | 03:54 |
| mwhudson | you'll probably want to put "set height 0" in your script to stop things like 'bt' stopping and asking you to hit return for more output | 03:55 |
| RAOF | set pagination 0? | 03:55 |
| RAOF | That's generally what I set; that'll work, right? | 03:55 |
| mwhudson | oh mayber | 03:56 |
| mwhudson | wow 'help set pagination' is helpful | 03:56 |
| RAOF | Let's see if my awesome new package "mono-buildd-debug" works :) | 04:15 |
| RAOF | Oh, dear lord. mono-gac succeeds under gdb. I hate you! | 04:56 |
| mwhudson | that suggests a workaround :) | 05:00 |
| mwhudson | or maybe >:) | 05:00 |
| RAOF | I'll look at precisely what's segfaulting. | 05:03 |
| Lns | Would this be the right place for feature requests in LP? | 05:08 |
| Lns | or should I file a bug report..? ;) | 05:09 |
| mwhudson | Lns: probably a bug report, not many people are around at this time of day | 05:09 |
| Lns | mwhudson, right-o. =) thx | 05:10 |
| Lns | how do you actually file a bug/feature request for LP? Whats the project name, its not launchpad :( | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | it is launchpad | 05:16 |
| Lns | hrm..lemme try again i guesss | 05:17 |
| Lns | oooooooooh, the numbers. Im blind. =p | 05:18 |
| Lns | Can someone explain the tags feature in advanced bug reporting section? | 05:22 |
| Lns | Where is it used? | 05:22 |
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| MFen | are there any restrictions on what i can put on my ppa? can i host software there that isn't part of any launchpad project? | 05:33 |
| mwhudson | i think being open source is the only requirement | 05:34 |
| MFen | i want to package a little python script but it isn't worth a whole launchpad project | 05:34 |
| MFen | ok, that's good | 05:34 |
| MFen | i might package my vimrcs too, my team uses them a lot | 05:34 |
| MFen | not really sure how that would work though.. | 05:35 |
| Lns | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-report-tool/+bug/316645 - now see, since you see it here and a possible discussion might take place in reference to it, you see the importance of this feature on LP. :) | 05:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 316645 in launchpad-report-tool "Feature request: Search existing IRC, mailing list logs periodically for affected packages/project tags/keywords and link to it in bug report" [Undecided,New] | 05:46 |
| Lns | its like peeking through an interdimensional portal...whhoah. =p | 05:47 |
| Lns | an alternate method might be to program ubottu / irc bots to post comments on LP referencing the irc log / line number of log that references the bug... | 05:50 |
| Lns | but then you still need to think about mailiing lists too | 05:50 |
| MFen | Lns: can it just fix the bugs too? i want to mention a bug in irc and then get a fix for it in an update the next morning | 05:56 |
| Lns | MFen, maybe if you can easily transfer paypal money to the project to get it fixed in a certain time frame...who knows, it might at least be partially possible ;) | 05:58 |
| Lns | sh*t thats actually not a bad idea either =p | 05:59 |
| Lns | link to paypal for donations when you file a bug and the maintainers can either accept or not accept it | 06:00 |
| Lns | if you are donating to get your bug fixed | 06:00 |
| MFen | Lns: hell it sure isn't | 06:00 |
| MFen | bugbot: pay google $50 to port chrome to linux kthx | 06:02 |
| Lns | hmm.. it would have to dance lightly around the money issue though, i feel it'd be tricky to do it right and not seem like money is the focus (as it shouldnt be) | 06:03 |
| Lns | kinda opens a big can of worms | 06:03 |
| RAOF | AARGH! I can't get mono to segfault under gdb on the PPA. | 06:07 |
| MFen | lns: maybe the default would be bugbot: pay google $love to port chrom to linux kthx | 06:08 |
| MFen | (btw, you guys seen LOLCODE? http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/28/lolcode-the-lolcat-programming-language/ ) | 06:09 |
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| spitfire_ | can someone help me with devscripts? | 11:39 |
| spitfire_ | I don't know how to get them to sign sources/packages. | 11:39 |
| spitfire_ | with gpg | 11:39 |
| wgrant | spitfire_: debsign | 11:41 |
| wgrant | But debuild will do that automatically in most cases. | 11:41 |
| spitfire_ | peterz: but how to set devscripts conf file? | 11:41 |
| spitfire_ | wgrant: it doesn't | 11:41 |
| spitfire_ | Complaints about missing priv key. | 11:42 |
| spitfire_ | But I obviously got it. | 11:43 |
| spitfire_ | attaching -k<key> to dpkg-buildpackage works | 11:43 |
| spitfire_ | but I want to have that in-config | 11:43 |
| spitfire_ | I already edited /etc/devscripts.conf | 11:44 |
| spitfire_ | and entered that key. | 11:44 |
| spitfire_ | But it works only if specified manually, from command line by -k :/ | 11:44 |
| spitfire_ | wgrant: do you know how to deal with devscripts.conf? | 11:45 |
| spitfire_ | anyone knows how to handle that? | 11:46 |
| pochu_ | spitfire_: I think exporting DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME should be enough | 11:46 |
| spitfire_ | pochu_: I had. | 11:47 |
| spitfire_ | In .bashrc . | 11:47 |
| spitfire_ | An works for dch | 11:47 |
| spitfire_ | But not dpkg-buildpackage, nor pbuilder | 11:47 |
| spitfire_ | *But not for dpkg-buildpackage, nor pbuilder | 11:48 |
| spitfire_ | pochu_: and what about the issue with pbuilder? | 11:49 |
| spitfire_ | I bugged a report of gst-plugins-base, and you answered. | 11:49 |
| spitfire_ | any ideas about that? | 11:49 |
| spitfire_ | anybody? | 11:55 |
| spitfire_ | Does everyone here who has ppa does it manually? | 11:56 |
| wgrant | spitfire_: I just set DEBEMAIL and co properly, and debuild does it all for me. | 11:57 |
| spitfire_ | :/ | 12:01 |
| spitfire_ | I'll check if everything's ok, and if i haven' misspeled anything. | 12:02 |
| spitfire_ | wgrant:can the character encoding be wrong? | 12:03 |
| spitfire_ | I sued to have problem with gpg | 12:03 |
| spitfire_ | showind strange sign in my last name:/ | 12:03 |
| spitfire_ | *uset to have a problem | 12:04 |
| spitfire_ | *used | 12:04 |
| spitfire_ | fuck^^ | 12:04 |
| wgrant | I don't know. | 12:06 |
| wgrant | My name is nice and boring. | 12:06 |
| spitfire_ | wgrant: any idea what the problem might be? | 12:06 |
| spitfire_ | my last name is Ślusarczyk:P | 12:06 |
| spitfire_ | so can you see it properly:P | 12:06 |
| wgrant | Of course. | 12:06 |
| spitfire_ | yes, an "S" with "`" | 12:06 |
| spitfire_ | UTF8:P | 12:07 |
| wgrant | ` or '? | 12:07 |
| spitfire_ | rather ' | 12:07 |
| wgrant | Right. | 12:07 |
| spitfire_ | But ie. gpg used to have a problem | 12:07 |
| spitfire_ | My first key had strange sign instead of it. | 12:08 |
| * wgrant plays with some Unicode UIDs on a new key. | 12:08 | |
| spitfire_ | Can it be a problem? | 12:08 |
| wgrant | I don't know. | 12:08 |
| wgrant | I'm about to find out. | 12:08 |
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| spitfire_ | I'm on ubuntu 8.10, I haven't reconfigured encoding, just have set my local settings (Poland) and that's all. | 12:11 |
| wgrant | spitfire_: I just used a thoroughly UTF-8 key UID to sign a package - debuild signed it automatically. | 12:14 |
| wgrant | Do the characters show up properly when you list your key? | 12:15 |
| spitfire_ | yeah | 12:17 |
| spitfire_ | in the new key yes. | 12:17 |
| spitfire_ | dpkg-buildpackage -S | 12:18 |
| spitfire_ | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: no private key | 12:19 |
| spitfire_ | wgrant: that's mine: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x7B00536E5351ED08D164CB152421F5647FDDB035&op=index | 12:19 |
| spitfire_ | does it display properly? | 12:20 |
| spitfire_ | my .bashrc http://pastebin.com/f4114e839 | 12:25 |
| spitfire_ | sent as it is. | 12:25 |
| spitfire_ | can you see it encoding is the same in both:P | 12:25 |
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| spitfire_ | wgrant: did you find out what's wrong? | 12:49 |
| Fabien7 | hello | 12:55 |
| Fabien7 | do you have a doc about importing sourceforge bug reports to launchpad trackers? | 12:55 |
| Fabien7 | or an automatic procedure for that? | 12:55 |
| beuno | Fabien7, you want to move your project over from sourceforge? | 12:55 |
| Fabien7 | well, at least the bug reports for now | 12:56 |
| Fabien7 | maybe the whole stuff in a later stage | 12:56 |
| Fabien7 | the project is not too small (stellarium) | 12:56 |
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| beuno | Fabien7, if you file a question requesting it, an admin can get to it and do it for you: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 12:57 |
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| Fabien7 | OK, great :) | 12:57 |
| Fabien7 | and if I request a full move, an admin also will do it for me? | 12:57 |
| beuno | Fabien7, I think so, yes. Maybe BjornT or gmb can confirm? | 12:58 |
| gmb | Whatawhata? | 12:58 |
| * gmb reads scrollback | 12:58 | |
| gmb | Fabien7: As beuno said, if you file a question we can kick off the process for migrating the bugs. It's pretty straightforward but it requires some work on our side. | 13:00 |
| gmb | Fabien7: Out of interest, which SF project are you thinking of moving? | 13:00 |
| Fabien7 | Stellarium | 13:00 |
| * gmb looks | 13:00 | |
| Fabien7 | it's already in ubuntu and has a launchpad project | 13:00 |
| Fabien7 | we use it for translating maintly | 13:01 |
| gmb | Fabien7: Cool. That makes life a bit easier. | 13:01 |
| Fabien7 | just 1 more question: is launchpad always so slow, or is ti just now? | 13:01 |
| gmb | Fabien7: It's always a bit slow; we're working hard to improve that. Are you on a high latency connection? | 13:02 |
| Fabien7 | well, thanks guys, I need to leave, see you | 13:02 |
| fta2 | could someone edit the whiteboard of a branch owned by a team without being part of that team? | 13:51 |
| fta2 | someone i don't know just edited one of my branch.. scary :( | 13:54 |
| fta2 | +es | 13:54 |
| afflux | fta2: that's possible, yes. | 13:55 |
| fta2 | afflux, really? it's bad. i feel unsafe now | 13:57 |
| afflux | fta2: It looks like it's intended, but I'm not sure for what use cases. | 13:58 |
| afflux | fta2: anyone can change any bug's status, so that looks rather like the idea behind launchpad | 13:58 |
| fta2 | that's a security issue. i wonder how upstream could trust lp to host their projects then. | 14:01 |
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| maxb | fta2: Really? The edit branch pages says that only the owning user or team can do so | 14:10 |
| fta2 | maxb, yes. I still have the email from LP.. And worse, it contains no diff, just the new version of the text. | 14:12 |
| maxb | really? What branch, ooi? | 14:12 |
| bigjools | fta2: can you give me the branch URL please? | 14:14 |
| fta2 | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head | 14:15 |
| bigjools | fta2: I'm told that the whiteboards are editable by anyone, by design | 14:17 |
| fta2 | :( | 14:17 |
| ScottK | Doesn't make it a good design. | 14:18 |
| * ScottK suggest filing bugs anyway. | 14:18 | |
| fta2 | I/someone should blog about that, or something. so people are aware that they should not trust whiteboards | 14:19 |
| fta2 | in my case, the change was not evil, but it could have been | 14:20 |
| bigjools | file a question or a bug and it'll get some attention from the Code team | 14:20 |
| fta2 | bigjools, bug 316773 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 316773 could not be found | 14:28 |
| bigjools | fta2: thanks, I'll point someone from Code at it | 14:34 |
| beuno | fta2, I agree that anyone-can-edit whiteboards aren't good | 14:34 |
| beuno | comments are more appropriate | 14:35 |
| janneke | how do i change the upstream VCS for https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/lilypond/trunk ? | 15:10 |
| bigjools | janneke: let me find out for you | 15:11 |
| bigjools | janneke: the best course of action is to request a new import | 15:13 |
| janneke | bigjools: ok, will do that, thanks | 15:13 |
| bigjools | welcome | 15:14 |
| kroepke | hi! who would i best contact for stopping a vcs-import for a project? | 15:27 |
| kroepke | we don't need to waste that resource any longer :) | 15:27 |
| beuno | kroepke, just open a question requesting it: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 15:28 |
| beuno | and an admin will kill it | 15:28 |
| kroepke | beuno: great, thanks! | 15:28 |
| beuno | kroepke, thanks for letting us know :) | 15:28 |
| kroepke | :) | 15:28 |
| savvas | beuno: actually, I think it's https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar | 15:32 |
| savvas | kroepke: ^ :) | 15:33 |
| kroepke | oops :) | 15:33 |
| beuno | savvas, kroepke either is fine | 15:33 |
| kroepke | 'k, since it's already done | 15:33 |
| savvas | ah ok then :) | 15:33 |
| beuno | safe bet is /launchpad | 15:34 |
| beuno | (more eyes on it) | 15:34 |
| kroepke | it's not urgent (obviously), just so we can save some trees in the process | 15:34 |
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| vorian | did you guys just update the ssl cert? | 17:09 |
| bigjools | vorian: no, what's your problem? | 17:12 |
| vorian | i just got a ssl_error_bad_cert_domain | 17:12 |
| andrea-bs | there are some parts of the page that are loaded via HTTP | 17:13 |
| bigjools | vorian: ok, it's a known problem and should be fixed when edge is updated next | 17:13 |
| vorian | excellent | 17:13 |
| vorian | I just wanted to make sure i wasn't getting spoofed | 17:13 |
| andrea-bs | bigjools: I've reported bug 316352 yesterday, is it a duplicate? | 17:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 316352 in launchpad "YUI is loaded via HTTP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316352 | 17:14 |
| * bigjools checks | 17:14 | |
| bigjools | andrea-bs: yes yours is a dupe, I'll mark it now | 17:16 |
| andrea-bs | thanks, bigjools | 17:16 |
| bigjools | np | 17:16 |
| andrea-bs | bigjools: it's always a problem for me to file bugs checking for duplicates: I don't know the differences between -foundations and -registry | 17:18 |
| andrea-bs | bigjools: perhaps launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+filebug should first list similar bugs before asking to select a project | 17:19 |
| bigjools | andrea-bs: file them on launchpad itself, and our QA team will triage them to the right place | 17:19 |
| bigjools | -registry is for the code that manages the fundamental data in LP, like people and projects | 17:20 |
| bigjools | -foundations is the core code | 17:20 |
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| jarnos | Would it be possible that Launchpad would show upstream changelog of a software? | 19:41 |
| jarnos | ..when you are making a bug report. I am tired of writing bug reports of things fixed already upstream. | 19:42 |
| Turl | hi | 19:49 |
| Turl | my ppa packages got rejected with "PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket." | 19:50 |
| Turl | any idea¿ | 19:50 |
| bac | cprov: ^^ | 19:53 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: ping | 19:57 |
| mthaddon | LaserJock: hi | 19:57 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: regarding the claiming/merging of the edubuntu-devel LP team | 19:58 |
| cprov | Turl: PPAs do not accept uploads to post-release pockets. | 19:58 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: what do you want me to do? | 19:58 |
| cprov | Turl: you have to use: hardy, intrepid, jaunty instead of hardy-updates, intrepid-proposed, etc. | 19:58 |
| mthaddon | LaserJock: there should be a link on https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-devel saying "is this a team you run?" - if you click on that and activate the team | 19:59 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: right, but I dont' know what email address to put in there | 19:59 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: that's why I asked for admin help :-) | 20:00 |
| cprov | Turl: despite of being published on the release pocket, PPA sources also fetch build dependencies from -security and -updates. | 20:00 |
| mthaddon | LaserJock: I'm guessing "edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" from the question you posted | 20:01 |
| LaserJock | cprov: that doesn't sound like a very good idea. People are then building on top of repos that their users may or may not have | 20:01 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: ok, but is that going to send an email to the list? I'll get stuck in the moderation queue I think | 20:02 |
| Turl | thnks cprov | 20:02 |
| cprov | LaserJock: including the PPA repo itself | 20:02 |
| mthaddon | LaserJock: I'm not sure to be honest - it's the only way I can think of to try and get around the current bug | 20:02 |
| LaserJock | cprov: but what if you build on -updates but the users doesn't have -updates enabled? you can get some mismatches | 20:03 |
| cprov | LaserJock: meaning, if you know enough to enable a PPA, you also know that its binaries were built against -updates & security (or other specific archive deps listed in the PPA page) | 20:03 |
| cprov | LaserJock: worst case scenario is that the user won't be able to rebuild the source locally. | 20:04 |
| LaserJock | cprov: wait wait | 20:05 |
| LaserJock | cprov: the UI says nothing about building on -updates and -security | 20:05 |
| cprov | LaserJock: people extremely conservative about build-deps should only use PPA that only depends on Release pocket. | 20:05 |
| LaserJock | cprov: and worst case scenario is that PPA binaries are uninstallable | 20:05 |
| LaserJock | cprov: maybe I came in too late to the conversation but I thought you were saying that PPAs automatically build on -security and -updates | 20:06 |
| cprov | LaserJock: building on -updates + -security is the default build environment | 20:07 |
| LaserJock | ok, so then that is very much an issue if users have turned off either | 20:07 |
| cprov | LaserJock: if you modify the bulding environment it will be listed in the PPA page. | 20:07 |
| LaserJock | you're assuming people will have -updates and -security enabled when using the PPA | 20:08 |
| cprov | example, https://edge.launchpad.net/~cprov/+archive | 20:08 |
| LaserJock | but you don't indicate anywhere that that is the case | 20:08 |
| cprov | LaserJock: yes, and 99 % of the users do. | 20:08 |
| LaserJock | doesn't matter | 20:08 |
| LaserJock | that's a big no-no | 20:08 |
| LaserJock | you're essentially mixing repos without telling anybody | 20:08 |
| cprov | LaserJock: when you say *you* you mean the user, we are not doing anything automatically. | 20:09 |
| LaserJock | no, the PPA is mixing repos | 20:09 |
| LaserJock | and then not telling *anybody* the uploader nor the downloader | 20:10 |
| cprov | LaserJock: what do you mean by "mixing" ? | 20:10 |
| LaserJock | -security and -update are different repos | 20:10 |
| cprov | LaserJock: the default ppa build env is exactly the same that the one used for upload to -updates | 20:10 |
| cprov | what's new about it ? | 20:11 |
| LaserJock | because you don't call the PPA -updates | 20:11 |
| LaserJock | you call it main | 20:11 |
| LaserJock | so you're mixing main, -updates, -security and calling it main | 20:11 |
| cprov | release, main is a component ;) | 20:11 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: You can't turn off security. | 20:11 |
| LaserJock | wgrant: I can't? | 20:12 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: +edit-dependencies does show the pockets, but +index should probably also say if it's changed from the default. | 20:12 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: It's not a supported Ubuntu configuration. | 20:12 |
| cprov | wgrant: agreed, we can do that. | 20:12 |
| wgrant | Maybe it should always say, actually. | 20:12 |
| LaserJock | yes | 20:12 |
| wgrant | But that might be a bit confusing. | 20:12 |
| wgrant | beuno will save the day. | 20:13 |
| * beuno pops in | 20:13 | |
| LaserJock | you need to tell people what repos they must have enabled in order for the PPA to work | 20:13 |
| LaserJock | it's ridiculous to hide part of it from users | 20:13 |
| wgrant | In fact, there's no way for a user to see that without checking build logs. | 20:13 |
| cprov | wgrant: since it's the default build behaviour, help.l.n/Packaging/PPA not would solve it. | 20:13 |
| wgrant | cprov: That last phrase didn't make sense. | 20:14 |
| cprov | wgrant: err, s/not/ | 20:14 |
| wgrant | And putting things there doesn't seem to be right; I take that as more of a document for PPA owners. | 20:14 |
| beuno | cprov, I'll let you take note of this madness and bring it up at our sprint in a couple of weeks :) | 20:14 |
| cprov | beuno: fine | 20:14 |
| * beuno goes back to fixing blueprints | 20:15 | |
| cprov | wgrant: I not keen about whether it's only documentation or a need note in the PPA page itself, both are easily fixable. | 20:15 |
| wgrant | beuno: yay! They haven't been touched in years... | 20:15 |
| beuno | wgrant, yeah, I'm trying to give it *some* love. Updating it to look 2.0-ish at a minimum :) | 20:16 |
| LaserJock | the PPA page itself should not that -updates and -security are required | 20:16 |
| wgrant | Good, good. | 20:16 |
| LaserJock | the help page could give the PPA owners the heads up | 20:16 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: s/not/note/? | 20:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 20:17 |
| LaserJock | I have a few users who turn off -updates and they should know what they're dealing with when using a PPA | 20:17 |
| cprov | LaserJock: feel free file a bug | 20:20 |
| wgrant | cprov: Which of the uses of Obsolete as a publishing status is wrong? | 20:20 |
| wgrant | AFAICT you are trying to use it for two things which are completely different. | 20:20 |
| wgrant | And that is confusing. | 20:21 |
| stochastic | hi, I'm trying to upload my very first .deb to my PPA, I've registered my GPG and SSH keys and activated everything, what do I need to do to get the file into my PPA? | 20:21 |
| cprov | wgrant: Obsolete == files not available anymore | 20:21 |
| wgrant | cprov: ... you're going to remove files from obsolete distroseries too!? | 20:21 |
| cprov | wgrant: we keep the metadata around (publishing date, changelogs, etc) but the actual files are gone. | 20:21 |
| maxb | stochastic: Start with http://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA | 20:21 |
| wgrant | That doesn't seem sane. | 20:22 |
| wgrant | Does the distroteam think this is alright? | 20:22 |
| wgrant | For PPAs, sure, although I think the period that they stick around should be a bit longer. | 20:22 |
| stochastic | maxb, whoops I guess I didn't see the section on uploading | 20:23 |
| cprov | wgrant: only superseded packages for obsolete distros are marked as Obsolete. The latest versions still Published. | 20:23 |
| cprov | wgrant: 30 days isn't enough, you think ? | 20:23 |
| wgrant | cprov: I know, and correct. | 20:24 |
| wgrant | Removing history of a distribution feels like Debian. | 20:24 |
| wgrant | And that's not something that Debian does that I like. | 20:24 |
| jcastro | hi, I have a project that was being maintained by one person who wants to open up development a bit, so we created a new team and handed over the project to the new team. So next he needs to do a bzr push to ?? to get it under the team namespace? | 20:24 |
| wgrant | jcastro: You can move the branch to be owned by the team. | 20:25 |
| cprov | wgrant: binaries are consuming too much space already, it seems unsustainable at this rate. | 20:25 |
| jcastro | ah, then it just works itself out? | 20:25 |
| wgrant | jcastro: Yes. | 20:25 |
| cprov | wgrant: we have to do something, I agree 30 days might be a little harsh, but we can certainly discuss a longer period. | 20:25 |
| wgrant | cprov: You do have to do something, but I don't think you do for primary archives. | 20:26 |
| LarstiQ | wgrant: removing history of a distribution is something Debian does? Not as far as I know, keeping archives way past slink. | 20:26 |
| wgrant | LarstiQ: Yes, but they don't keep the packages that aren't published in the final release. | 20:27 |
| wgrant | (except for snapshot.debian.net) | 20:27 |
| jcastro | wgrant: it doesn't seem obvious to me how to move a branch to be owned by a team | 20:27 |
| cprov | wgrant: but we will do something in the same direction soon | 20:28 |
| wgrant | jcastro: Hit the edit button, which is next to what is, IIRC, the most often-missed button on Launchpad. | 20:28 |
| wgrant | jcastro: The exclamation mark that is meant to look like a pencil next to the branch summary. | 20:29 |
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| jcastro | I don't even see that, I only see an edit whiteboard option | 20:30 |
| wgrant | jcastro: You probably don't have privileges over the branch. | 20:30 |
| jcastro | ah ok, I'll have him look | 20:30 |
| LarstiQ | jcastro: alternatively, if you have a copy of the branch you want to make trunk, and you have access to the team, you could `bzr push:~team/product/trunk` | 20:31 |
| LarstiQ | jcastro: like, I today did for lp:~bzr/bzr-hookless-email/trunk | 20:31 |
| jcastro | oh neat, thanks! | 20:32 |
| jcastro | thanks wgrant! | 20:32 |
| wgrant | np | 20:32 |
| Nafallo | morning wgrant | 20:45 |
| stochastic | I'm trying to upload my first .deb to my PPA, but when I dput it I get a: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. Error | 20:58 |
| stochastic | it's telling me it needs a signature file, how do I? where do I? etc... | 20:59 |
| fred | "man gpg" | 20:59 |
| stochastic | fred, that really does't explain things | 21:00 |
| fred | search for an introduction to gpg then :p | 21:00 |
| stochastic | so you're saying I need to run commands in gpg before uploading to the PPA | 21:01 |
| fred | I don't use PPA, but that's what that error is saying. | 21:01 |
| bigon | stochastic: you must generate your own key pair | 21:01 |
| stochastic | I have a key | 21:01 |
| stochastic | I even created the debuild with the -S flag | 21:02 |
| stochastic | everything should be signed | 21:02 |
| bigon | try to use debsign | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | mthaddon: \o/, that worked, thanks a ton | 21:03 |
| Ursinha | stochastic, let me find the help page for that | 21:03 |
| mthaddon | LaserJock: sure, np | 21:03 |
| stochastic | so is it the .changes file that I'll need to sign? | 21:03 |
| Ursinha | stochastic, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA | 21:04 |
| bigon | stochastic: and the .dsc | 21:04 |
| Ursinha | this explain the steps | 21:04 |
| stochastic | Ursinha, no, I'm walking through those steps but it's giving me this error | 21:04 |
| stochastic | right after I do: $ dput my-ppa P_V_source.changes | 21:05 |
| bigon | stochastic: is the email used in the changelog the same that the one in your key | 21:05 |
| stochastic | yes, I double check that though | 21:05 |
| stochastic | yes, they're identical | 21:06 |
| stochastic | they're also identical to the launchpad account | 21:06 |
| stochastic | sorry for the paste, but the full error reads: Checking Signature on .changes | 21:10 |
| stochastic | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. | 21:10 |
| stochastic | gpg: the signature could not be verified. | 21:10 |
| stochastic | Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) | 21:10 |
| stochastic | should be the first file given on the command line. | 21:10 |
| stochastic | No signature on /var/cache/pbuilder/result/calf_0.0.17-0ubuntu1_i386.changes. | 21:10 |
| fiasco | how from away is are the web services API from being released to the 'public'? in particular the restful API? | 21:10 |
| fiasco | -is | 21:11 |
| stochastic | bigon, thanks, debsign took care of it | 21:13 |
| lamalex | How do I mark a blueprint as "won't implement"? | 21:36 |
| thumper | lamalex: priority "Not" ? | 21:54 |
| stochastic | hi, I'm just curious, I've built and uploaded a package for jaunty to my PPA, but now I'd like to upload the same package for intrepid, what steps are needed to adjust it? | 22:16 |
| wgrant | fiasco: It's still in beta, but it's public... | 22:29 |
| wgrant | stochastic: debuild will tell you why it didn't sign it - it tries to sign automatically unless you pass it -us -uc | 22:30 |
| stochastic | wgrant, turns out I was trying to upload the binary version rather than the source | 22:30 |
| wgrant | stochastic: Ah, that would do it. | 22:31 |
| fiasco | wgrant: orly! so we can use it? I found it really hard to navigate around launchpad and find what I was looking for | 22:34 |
| fiasco | wgrant: don't suppose you have some handy urls that show you how to use the resful api? | 22:35 |
| wgrant | fiasco: launchpadlib makes it really easy to use from Python. https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib | 22:36 |
| fiasco | wgrant: using drupal intergration (PHP) | 22:36 |
| fiasco | wgrant: sou would have to write a lib to intergrate PHP with python | 22:36 |
| wgrant | Ah, you'll probably have to implement it yourself, then. | 22:36 |
| wgrant | No, you don't have to use Python at all. | 22:37 |
| wgrant | launchpadlib is just very convenient for doing it. | 22:37 |
| fiasco | wgrant: sorry I'm not following, how would I implement it? | 22:37 |
| fiasco | does the launchpadlib use rest? | 22:37 |
| wgrant | fiasco: See https://help.launchpad.net/API | 22:37 |
| fiasco | could I use this as a guide? | 22:38 |
| wgrant | Note the second bullet. | 22:38 |
| fiasco | wgrant: yes, I've seen this before - not the most descriptive | 22:38 |
| * fiasco clicks on the hacking document | 22:38 | |
| wgrant | https://help.launchpad.net/API/Hacking isn't bad. | 22:38 |
| fiasco | wgrant: read that now :) | 22:39 |
| glen | sorry for silly question, how do i checkout or browse code for this project? https://code.launchpad.net/ipod-convenience | 22:44 |
| glen | $ bzr branch lp:ipod-convenience trunk | 22:44 |
| glen | bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:ipod-convenience": Series trunk on ipod-convenience has no branch associated with i | 22:44 |
| wgrant | bzr get lp:~ipod-touch/ipod-convenience/trunk | 22:45 |
| wgrant | The owner of the project apparently didn't link the trunk branch to the trunk series. | 22:45 |
| wgrant | And lp:ipod-convenience looks for the branch for the development series, which is trunk. | 22:45 |
| glen | thanks | 22:46 |
| oldman_ | i'm a little confused | 22:52 |
| oldman_ | how do you cause the branchs in +approvedmerges to actually be merged into the trunk now they've been approved? | 22:53 |
| thumper | oldman_: currently manually merge | 23:01 |
| thumper | oldman_: plans are to intregrate with some tool | 23:01 |
| oldman_ | ah | 23:01 |
| oldman_ | so i need to bzr branch lp:project && bzr merge lp:approved-branch && bzr push ? | 23:02 |
| thumper | if you don't already have lp:project locally then yes | 23:02 |
| thumper | oldman_: although you are missing a bzr commit | 23:02 |
| cody-somerville | oldman_, make sure you merge into the right branch | 23:03 |
| oldman_ | sure :) | 23:03 |
| hagna | does lp have git support yet? | 23:07 |
| RAOF | No. | 23:08 |
| cody-somerville | Git is painful :( | 23:10 |
| hagna | ahh too bad | 23:10 |
| oldman_ | thumper / cody-somerville another question about bzr and merge really | 23:13 |
| oldman_ | when I merge latest changes from another branch | 23:13 |
| oldman_ | all commit messages for those changes are available via bzr log | 23:14 |
| thumper | yes | 23:14 |
| oldman_ | so a) why do I need to give a commit message when I want to commit them to my local repo | 23:14 |
| oldman_ | and b) is there some suggestion text to use as a commit message at this point | 23:14 |
| thumper | because your comment might have nothing to do with theirs | 23:14 |
| thumper | b) no | 23:14 |
| thumper | it depends on why you are merging | 23:15 |
| oldman_ | ok | 23:15 |
| thumper | you could say "merging xyz to fix abc" | 23:15 |
| thumper | or just "Merging trunk" | 23:15 |
| thumper | or something | 23:15 |
| oldman_ | yeah normally that is what I do | 23:15 |
| thumper | you may also need to resolve conflicts | 23:16 |
| thumper | sometimes | 23:16 |
| spitfire | Philip5: I've got the question about your repo | 23:23 |
| Philip5 | spitfire: shoot | 23:24 |
| spitfire | why don't you keyword your build properly? | 23:24 |
| spitfire | with ~ | 23:24 |
| spitfire | like xine-1ubuntu2~ppa1 | 23:24 |
| Philip5 | good question | 23:24 |
| Philip5 | no reason just a miss in all cases.... | 23:25 |
| spitfire | Philip5: It can cause problems | 23:26 |
| spitfire | And if it can it WILL :/ | 23:26 |
| Philip5 | spitfire: i'll correct it when i update... but thanks for the notice | 23:26 |
| spitfire | btw. | 23:27 |
| spitfire | you're uploader already, you might know:P | 23:27 |
| spitfire | I can't configure devscripts to sign my pkgs automatically | 23:27 |
| Philip5 | uploader in what way? | 23:27 |
| spitfire | it always says :no private key found" | 23:28 |
| spitfire | uploader in the way you have signed repo | 23:28 |
| wgrant | spitfire: You need to have your name, comment and email address in the changelog line match a UID on your key *exactly*. | 23:28 |
| Philip5 | spitfire: true but it's just my own repo with a key | 23:29 |
| spitfire | wgrant: wait. | 23:29 |
| spitfire | But if i added comment in gpg key? | 23:29 |
| spitfire | Like: Mieszko Ślusarczyk (spitfire) <mieszkoslusarczyk#gmail.com> | 23:30 |
| oldman_ | it'd be nice if a --fixes lp:12345 change in trunk automatically caused the bug status to be changed to Fix Committed | 23:31 |
| Philip5 | i think it use your mailadress and not the rest... but i'm not sure | 23:31 |
| spitfire | and in changelog I have Mieszko Ślusarczyk <mieszkoslusarczyk#gmail.com> | 23:31 |
| wgrant | spitfire: YOu need your changelog line to contain exactly 'Mieszko Ślusarczyk (spitfire) <mieszkoslusarczyk#gmail.com>' | 23:31 |
| spitfire | wgrant: ^^ | 23:31 |
| wgrant | And that email address is wrong; your package may well be rejected. | 23:31 |
| spitfire | wgrant: so i should append (spitfire) to my name? | 23:32 |
| wgrant | Yes. | 23:32 |
| spitfire | ok | 23:32 |
| Philip5 | spitfire: are you using my repo or just some packages from it? | 23:33 |
| spitfire | wgrant: fuck te hell it works :P | 23:34 |
| wgrant | spitfire: Excellent. Did you change the @ to a # just for the channel, or is that really what it says on the key? | 23:34 |
| spitfire | wgrant: yeah ;) | 23:35 |
| wgrant | To which bit? | 23:35 |
| spitfire | i changed for orc | 23:35 |
| spitfire | @ to # | 23:35 |
| wgrant | Oh, good. | 23:35 |
| spitfire | wgrant: to prevent spam | 23:35 |
| wgrant | Of course. | 23:35 |
| spitfire | irc ets logged, and bots search google:P | 23:35 |
| wgrant | But I thought you might have done it on your key for the same reason. | 23:35 |
| spitfire | Philip5: some of it. | 23:36 |
| spitfire | of course not all pkges:P | 23:36 |
| spitfire | but I don't like it superseding my pkges. | 23:36 |
| Philip5 | spitfire: hope it worked like a charm so far... i mostly upload packages that i use myself | 23:36 |
| spitfire | So I sometimes have to loch them in synaptic | 23:36 |
| Philip5 | you need to do that if you dont want to do that | 23:37 |
| spitfire | Philip5: I had some conflicts, but can't say if it was because of you repo. | 23:37 |
| spitfire | Philip5: but in the future - keyword them ~ | 23:37 |
| Philip5 | usually they get solved with a aptitude dist-upgrade | 23:38 |
| spitfire | Philip5: I haven't looked into it seriously: do you make all packages for amd64? | 23:38 |
| Philip5 | no | 23:39 |
| Philip5 | almost none | 23:39 |
| spitfire | :/ | 23:39 |
| spitfire | So I'll leave just your deb-src :P | 23:39 |
| spitfire | and build them myself :P | 23:39 |
| Philip5 | i don't use 64bit myself so i only make them on request | 23:39 |
| wgrant | That's what PPAs are for. | 23:39 |
| spitfire | Philip5: why? | 23:39 |
| spitfire | Don't you have at least core2? | 23:40 |
| Philip5 | wgrant: i now but when i started to use ppa it was soo slow especially when i had to wait for a dependency package to be built before the main app | 23:40 |
| Philip5 | yes | 23:40 |
| wgrant | Philip5: You now shouldn't have to wait more than 20 minutes for a package to be published, and most things start building within a few seconds. | 23:41 |
| Philip5 | but i have had so much problem getting some apps to work with 64bit so i use 32bit for old times sake were i know things work :) | 23:42 |
| Philip5 | mostly thinking of sun java and flash | 23:42 |
| Philip5 | wgrant: i know it's working much better now but when i started with the repo i was betatesting the ppa-service and it wasn't that fast at the time | 23:43 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 23:43 |
| wgrant | Yes. | 23:43 |
| spitfire | Philip5: 64 bit a problem | 23:55 |
| spitfire | I guess you haven't used it for at leas one year | 23:55 |
| spitfire | *64 bit a problem? | 23:55 |
| spitfire | oh | 23:55 |
| spitfire | he left:P | 23:55 |
| spitfire | wgrant: even flash is now 64 bit:P | 23:56 |
| spitfire | (I don't use it, i prefer gecko-mediaplayer for youtube). | 23:56 |
| Nafallo | spitfire: rather, he's playing Unreal Tournament. | 23:58 |
| spitfire | who Philip5 ? | 23:59 |
| Nafallo | yes | 23:59 |
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