[00:05] <Andre_Gondim> why jaunty don't come with openoffice 3?
[00:07] <Melik> Andre_Gondim,  it does
[02:26] <Andre_Gondim> my apport had error and don't send bug to launchpad...., the error is "urlopen error The write operation timed out"
[03:46] <toresbe> Hey, I'm not the only one without X, I hope?
[03:47] <toresbe> (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
[03:47] <toresbe> Same for "freetype" and "nvidia"
[03:52] <RAOF> toresbe: X works fine here.
[03:52] <fosco_> change "nvidia" driver with "nv" or "vesa" and retry
[03:52] <toresbe> Oh dear. I found the problem.
[03:52] <toresbe> Yeah, I did some happy --force-all to install two nvidia modules and it is all good now.
[03:54] <toresbe> nvidia-glx-(...) conflicts with xserver-xorg-core...
[03:54] <toresbe> and a bunch of other really rather necessary stuff
[03:54] <fosco_> as far as i know nvidia restricted drivers are not supported yet
[03:55] <RAOF> The new version of the nvidia drivers that actually supports our X server is currently sitting in the NEW queue
[04:02] <toresbe> aha...
[04:02] <toresbe> ok, switching to nv
[04:02] <toresbe> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8)
[04:02] <toresbe> (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Microsoft Natural? Ergonomic Keyboard 4000"
[04:02] <toresbe> reboot?
[04:03] <RAOF> Maybe?
[04:08] <toresbe> Hrmh, that worked.
[04:08] <toresbe> WHOA. gnome-terminal launch is an order of magnitude faster. Love!
[04:08] <toresbe> But my dual-screen is, er, all funny.
[04:14] <toresbe> I suppose this will have to do until it comes out of NEW.
[04:14] <toresbe> I assume there's no way for me to grab packages from NEW?
[04:15] <RAOF> You can just grab them from launchpad; they're in launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue
[04:15] <toresbe> Oh, found it! Thanks!
[04:17] <toresbe> lessee if this works.
[04:23] <toresbe> Hrm, this is... less than stable :)
[04:23] <toresbe> and image corruption ahoy
[04:23] <toresbe> 180.22 really isn't built for this ABI, either :)
[04:27] <toresbe> Graphics are frighteningly fast in comparison, though
[04:27] <toresbe> The system is drastically snappier. I like this!
[04:27] <toresbe> Good night.
[04:31] <Hotshot`> does anyobody use Deluge Torrent client?
[07:45] <johnwedd> hello
[07:45] <johnwedd> whats the good word on jaunty
[07:47] <BHSPitLappy> ?
[07:49] <johnwedd> most of my professional life is spent waiting for a linux i can replace Windows with, Ubuntu has let me down, i was wondering, how jaunty was coming along
[08:51] <fosco_> johnwedd: waht are you looking for
[08:52] <johnwedd> just how its going
[08:53] <fosco_> going good, but jaunty is not a revolution in any way
[09:11] <johnwedd> fosco_ i am curious, how come linux avoids anything similar to microsoft design philosophy
[09:11] <johnwedd> ?
[09:11] <fosco_> don't understand
[09:14] <johnwedd> well, strickly from a astectic and widget design aspect, ubuntu, opensuse, and fedora tend to lean toward Apple concepts, and avoiding anything remotely microsoft in look and feel
[09:14] <Melik> apple concepts?
[09:14] <Melik> like what?
[09:14] <fosco_> no
[09:15] <fosco_> linux distributions tend to be linux distributionsany good ideas from any OS are wellcome
[09:15] <fosco_> linux distributions tend to be linux distributions. any good ideas from any OS are wellcome
[09:16] <Melik> well apple os x and linux's are obviously going to be more similar because they are from the unix family
[09:16] <johnwedd> i mean in a design aspect
[09:17] <Melik> how is it similar to apple to apple in design?
[09:17] <johnwedd> look and feel
[09:17] <johnwedd> feels like linux, looks like mac
[09:18] <TheInfinity> you never used a mac, hmm ;)
[09:18] <johnwedd> yes
[09:19] <fosco_> don't think so :-/
[09:19] <fosco_> linux looks just as linux
[09:20] <TheInfinity> fosco_: although sometimes gnome or kde sometimes really loves to steal gui concepts from apple ;)
[09:20] <fosco_> well, this is common
[09:21] <TheInfinity> the best example is the advanced network gui in gnome. its 1:1 apple. in every button, every tab, everything
[09:21] <fosco_> i use openbox as a window manager, don't think win nor mac have something like that :-)
[09:22]  * RAOF wonders whether TheInfinity is looking at the same network-manager/OS X that he is.
[09:22] <Melik> openbox is very nice
[09:22] <TheInfinity> not network manager
[09:22] <TheInfinity> the thing where you have a gui for nmap and several other things
[09:22] <TheInfinity> dont know the name in gnome
[09:23] <RAOF> Oh, the network tools thingy?
[09:23] <Melik> anyone know a good SSH client?
[09:23] <RAOF> Melik: ssh?
[09:23] <fosco_> ssh
[09:23] <RAOF> As installed by default in Ubuntu?
[09:23] <Melik> yea
[09:24] <RAOF> Yes.  "ssh" is the good SSH client.
[09:24] <Melik> [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxY] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]
[09:24] <Melik>            [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile]
[09:24] <Melik>            [-i identity_file] [-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport]
[09:24] <Melik>            [-l login_name] [-m mac_spec] [-O ctl_cmd] [-o option] [-p port]
[09:24] <Melik>            [-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-S ctl_path]
[09:24] <Melik>            [-w local_tun[:remote_tun]] [user@]hostname [command]
[09:24] <Melik> so which one do i use to connect :/
[09:24] <TheInfinity> Melik: man ssh :)
[09:24] <BUGabundo_work> just a quick question: does the new dailies that suport ext4, need /boot on ext2/3 or it can be on ext4 too ?
[09:25] <RAOF> Boot can be ext4; both grub and grub2 support it.
[09:25] <johnwedd> i guess i see mac as considering customers as stupid, and linux as considering its customers engineers, and windows seams to be the only happy medium. and thats not right
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> thanks RAOF
[09:29] <johnwedd> understand what i'm saying
[09:29] <fosco_> johnwedd: yes i understand, but don't think the same
[09:31] <johnwedd> how much time do you think the average linux user spends just getting his system to work?
[09:32] <Melik> i got my ubuntu system to work in 1 second
[09:33] <johnwedd> Melik: how many times have you reconfigured and recompiled?
[09:33] <fosco_> johnwedd: about 20 minutes, installation time
[09:33] <johnwedd> i mean fully work
[09:33] <Melik> yeah fully work 1 second
[09:34] <fosco_> system is fully functional once installed
[09:34] <Melik> customizing and configuring is a different story
[09:34] <johnwedd> thats part of makeing a computer system
[09:34] <johnwedd> work
[09:35] <fosco_> not for me
[09:35] <johnwedd> oooh?
[09:35] <johnwedd> and you do what for a living?
[09:36] <Melik> i inhale O2
[09:37] <fosco_> :-?
[09:37] <fosco_> are you trying to flame johnwedd?
[09:37] <johnwedd> no
[09:37] <fosco_> then i don not understand you
[09:38] <johnwedd> i trying to point out the end users need to be learn a new system without haveing system shock
[09:38] <fosco_> i spend much more time setting up a windows machine than a ubuntu box
[09:39] <TheInfinity> fosco_: always depends on what you need.
[09:39] <fosco_> of course :)
[09:40] <johnwedd> i guess i really hate how linux makes you work your computer
[09:40] <Melik> no it doesnt
[09:40] <Melik> i spent more time
[09:40] <Melik> formatting my windows
[09:41] <Melik> than "configuring" my ubuntu
[09:41] <Melik> ive probably formatted windows like over 200 times
[09:41] <TheInfinity> Melik: if you know what you do you dont have to format windows all the time.
[09:42] <johnwedd> then why do i still have to dive into bash to get it to do something i want that i can do in windows in three mouse clicks
[09:42] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: depends what you need and which hardware you use :p
[09:42] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: cli can me much faster then gui
[09:42] <johnwedd> doesn't mean its easier, better, fun or not stressfull
[09:43] <TheInfinity> easier if you learn it one time
[09:43] <johnwedd> i shouldn't have to
[09:43] <TheInfinity> as i said - depends on your needs
[09:43] <TheInfinity> i'm a mac os-x user, and i can do almost everything with gui. but i have always a terminal open because its just faster and beter.
[09:44] <johnwedd> i'm a graphic artist
[09:44] <TheInfinity> other mac user dont like cli.
[09:44] <TheInfinity> me too.
[09:44] <Melik> TheInfinity, i pirated software; so i got lots of malware through them and stuff
[09:45] <TheInfinity> Melik: so dont do so :)
[09:45] <johnwedd> or rather, I'm a graphic artist, and i think FOSS zealots have there head up there ass
[09:45] <Melik> thats why i use linux now TheInfinity :)
[09:47] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: you can use lots of open source software for graphics.
[09:48] <TheInfinity> and ubuntus aim is to provide a cli free os. although its difficult to archive this.
 then why do i still have to dive into bash to get it to do something i want that i can do in windows in three mouse clicks
[09:48] <TheInfinity> (and we are in an alpha channel :p )
[09:48] <Melik> there were numerous times i had to go to windows registry
[09:49] <Melik> so windows isn't all that "user friendly" either
[09:49] <johnwedd> TheInfinity: not the point, i love, OS, i hate zealots that have no understanding of the market ecosystem that motivates there innovations, with irrational hate for anything ressembling corporate structure.
[09:49] <TheInfinity> Melik: for user who just want msn and ms office it is ;)
[09:49] <johnwedd> Melik: yes it is
[09:50] <x1250> hey guys, completely offtopic, but they are good tutorials, so here it is: video tutoriales for the GIMP, excellent ones: http://meetthegimp.org/page/21/
[09:50] <Melik> it just seems user friendly, because thats what you grew up with
[09:50] <johnwedd> i still don't have to use a cli
[09:50] <Melik> you've been all around it, you're used to it
[09:50] <johnwedd> i grew up on prodos and bsd
[09:50] <johnwedd> i paid my dues
[09:50] <Melik> ah
[09:51] <Melik> i dont know.. but the most confusing thing to me was windows registry
[09:51] <johnwedd> its settings
[09:51] <johnwedd> organized
[09:51] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: not really *g*
[09:52] <johnwedd> kinda sorta is
[09:52] <Melik> i think the registry was the most unorganized thing ever
[09:52] <Melik> + once u remove software.. values get left behind
[09:52] <johnwedd> whats the equivilent to it in Linux?
[09:52] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: /etc
[09:52] <johnwedd> or Mac?
[09:53] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: /Libary
[09:53] <johnwedd> and you still have to do the same stuff
[09:54] <Melik> IMO linux's "config" system is a lot neater and much more organized
[09:55] <johnwedd> can i use it with a mouse and does it have automated features that make sure i don't screw it up?
[09:55] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: most win apps use it wrong. the concept of registry is not that bad.
[09:56] <johnwedd> kinda makes you wonder how it entered into the conversation :S
[09:56] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: you also dont use registry with mouse. and you can make MUCH worse things in registry
[09:57] <TheInfinity> much *bad
[09:57] <johnwedd> same in library
[09:58] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: i dont know any osx app which needs root rights just because its bad coded :p
[09:59] <johnwedd> i'm surprised it would even let a user to the root
[09:59] <TheInfinity> sudo su
[09:59] <TheInfinity> and you have a root bash :p
[10:00] <johnwedd> yay! now what?
[10:00] <TheInfinity> you can do anything you want then
[10:01] <TheInfinity> like in ubuntu. or in windows using runas in terminal
[10:01] <johnwedd> i can change hardware settings! oooh, wait. I can optimize the services for better running or boot time!......ummm no. k
[10:02] <johnwedd> ooooh, i know, i can shut down the unneeded gui and interface elements to play my games! ooh, yeah... o.O
[10:03] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: at os-x? of course i can modifiy boot settings.
[10:03] <johnwedd> can you turn off the gui and replace it?
[10:04] <TheInfinity> johnwedd: you can use gnome with xorg if you want
[10:04] <TheInfinity> kde also works afaik
[10:05] <johnwedd> i don't, i want the same gui, only complete customized, same back end tho
[10:06] <TheInfinity> why? i mean you wanted something completely different :p
[10:06] <johnwedd> only looks different
[10:07] <johnwedd> if it acts different, it'll throw me off
[10:07] <TheInfinity> then you should use the os you ever used
[10:08] <johnwedd> DOS?
[10:08] <TheInfinity> if you want?
[10:08] <johnwedd> i don't
[10:08] <TheInfinity> then you have to learn ;)
[10:08] <Melik> are we talking about osx or ubuntu?
[10:09] <johnwedd> i lost track
[10:09] <TheInfinity> Melik: os-x for a few lines ;)
[10:09] <ikonia> please keep in mind this channel is for Jaunty discussion only
[10:09] <Melik> anywyas
[10:10] <johnwedd> i was bored
[10:10] <TheInfinity> ikonia: i just wondered when this messages comes ;) ... sorry lecture in university is atm boring and too easy :p
[10:10] <Melik> does anyone get  a ../udev/rules.d error
[10:10] <Melik> at startup?
[10:10] <ikonia> no sweat, just a nudge
[10:10] <ikonia> Melik: in the current jaunty build ?
[10:11] <Melik> yes ikonia
[10:11] <ikonia> Melik: all good here
[10:11] <ikonia> Melik: what rule is it complaining about
[10:11] <Melik> the whole rules.d is missing or something
[10:11] <ikonia> I've got mine
[10:11] <Melik> i can reboot and write it down
[10:11] <johnwedd> impatient for the ubuntu that will decend from the heavens, runs all the software i need and want (both open and closed) and cure 6 different types of cancer
[10:11] <ikonia> johnwedd: what ?
[10:12] <johnwedd> unrelated
[10:12] <ikonia> johnwedd: check the /topic please
[10:13] <Melik> hold on im going to restart and write down the udev erro
[10:13] <Melik> error*
[10:13] <ikonia> Melik: cool
[10:14] <johnwedd> ikonia: topic noted and we where discussing design philosophies
[10:14] <ikonia> johnwedd: which is not for here, thanks
[10:14] <ikonia> Melik: hit me
[10:15] <Melik> [udev840] then blah blah blah ... /etc/udev/rules.d file not found or missing
[10:16] <Melik> thing is i do have ../rules.d
[10:19] <ikonia> Melik: do you have /etc/udev/rules.d though
[10:19] <ikonia> Melik: that should be a dir
[10:19] <Melik> yeah
[10:19] <Melik> its a folder
[10:20] <Melik> directory* w.e
[10:20] <Melik> hold on
[10:20] <Melik> actuall
[10:20] <Melik> actually* im going to call it a night
[10:20] <Melik> its 2 AM :$
[10:20] <Melik> good night guys
[10:21] <RAOF> Note that /etc/udev/rules.d is not the place it used to be.
[10:59] <x1250> at last pulseaudio is working nicely here. Sound artifacts are gone.
[11:03] <cumulus007> is it true there are 4.2 rc1 packages in jaunty?
[11:07]  * BUGabundo_work vents: uff what a long backlog!
[11:07] <BUGabundo_work> x1250: don't you miss the old volume control ?
[11:07] <BUGabundo_work> I know I do!
[11:07] <BUGabundo_work> I find myself starting alsamixer[gui] -c 0
[11:08] <x1250> BUGabundo_work, I use almixer -c 0 too :S
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> its the only way I know of setting the controls!!
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> it was a shock to me, when I found out it was gone!
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> is it going to be implemented in any other way before launch?
[11:09] <cumulus007> is it true that there are 4.2 rc1 packages in jaunty?
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> or is THIS it?
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> new user will find them self lost, and old users will bash foruns about it!
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> cumulus007: package??
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> I can check from my archive
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> or you can see in packages.u.c or LP/u/+source/PACKAGE
[11:10] <cumulus007> BUGabundo_work: I heard KDE 4.2 RC1 is in Jaunty
[11:11] <BUGabundo_work> not yet AFAIK
[11:11] <BUGabundo_work> I think im still in beta 2 or 3
[11:11] <cumulus007> okay, pity
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> LOLOLOLOL I got to REBOOT blue thingys on my jaunty! come on!! one isn't enough?
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> I would file a bug, but I have no idea on the package!!
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> ehehe UM maybe?
[11:12] <x1250> BUGabundo_work, I guess this is it :(. I use alsamixer to adjust the LFE, which the great new pulseaudio volume control, can't. Wow.
[11:13] <BUGabundo_work> I realy like the control over ANY app! much nicer!
[11:13] <BUGabundo_work> still a bit too hiden, requires many clicks!
[11:14] <BUGabundo_work> I thought it would get  a dropdown under under the clock
[11:16] <x1250> BUGabundo_work, there are a lot of people who don't want to use pulseaudio, is there no other volume control for gnome-panel????
[11:17] <BUGabundo_work> seems not
[11:40] <peterz> kde4.1.96 packages seem incomplete and the combination of .85 and .96 seem to no fancy working well
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> anyone has any idea what starts cam-server?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_work> its not on my init.d/rc**
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> did something break python today???
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> deluge won't start the GUI
[12:16] <BUGabundo_work> need a tip: what is the proper command to make a full DISK backup? dd to a targz file on a external disk?
[14:27] <toresbe> Hrm.
[14:28] <toresbe> I've got the newest version of nvidia-glx-180, but it's still "ABI incompatible"
[14:28] <toresbe> Am I doing something wrong?
[14:29] <TheInfinity> toresbe: you try to use nvidia css drivers with jaunty's xorg?
[14:29] <toresbe> css drivers?
[14:29] <TheInfinity> closed source software
[14:29] <BUGabundo_work> ahh
[14:29] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[14:29] <toresbe> yeah
[14:31] <toresbe> hah, I have three mouse pointers on my desktop now :P
[14:32] <BUGabundo_work> toresbe: 3?
[14:33] <toresbe> yeah
[14:40] <BUGabundo_work> humm please confirm this to me! I'm using partimage from daily livecd to backup pc, before format to ext4. partimage, I guess uses ncursers, right? it seems to be leaving a trail of chars! I see stuff like 9secccc
[14:47] <fosco_> toresbe: jaunty has no nvidia restricted drivers support yet
[14:47] <fosco_> it is an X 1.6 issue
[14:50] <toresbe> fosco_: Do you have a link to some info on it?
[14:50] <toresbe> wiki, or something?
[14:53] <fosco_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410
[14:53] <BUGabundo_work> fosco_ old bug
[14:53] <BUGabundo_work> still around until upstream fix it!
[14:54] <fosco_> old bug but still there :-/
[14:54] <fosco_> let's see if alpha3 solves it
[14:57] <BUGabundo_work> you don't hope
[14:57] <BUGabundo_work> grrr partimage just makes a nasty image of the disc.... how do I mount it now??
[16:49] <fasta> libnss3 is not being found by any at least two gnome applications (probably all). How can I fix that?
[16:50] <fasta> It is located in /usr/lib and I already tried adding it to the library path.
[16:50] <fasta> /usr/lib should be on the library path anyway, but that's a different discussion.
[16:55] <hggdh> fasta, since you moved to jaunty, or just after a dist-upgrade?
[16:56] <fasta> hggdh: after dist-upgrade, but I solved it already locally here by reinstalling the libraries.
[16:56] <fasta> hggdh: another few weird things (like a pcspeaker going off at boot time) also happened.
[16:57] <fasta> hggdh: I don't really want to run this bleeding edge stuff.
[16:57] <fasta> hggdh: I only wanted the recent nvidia driver and I just happened to install jaunty, because I figured it would support the latest hardware.
[16:58] <hggdh> fasta, bleeding edge, as the same suggests, usually makes us bleed...
[16:59] <hggdh> I suspect either you had an issue on dist-upgrade, or rebooting might solve (if some libraries were replaced)
[17:00] <fasta> hggdh: I still have a problem with Evolution.
[17:00] <fasta> hggdh: It's basically this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/310586
[17:04] <hggdh> fasta, as I stated, after a major dist-upgrade, you may be better off rebooting
[17:05] <fasta> hggdh: that basically does an ldconfig, no? \
[17:05] <hggdh> and replaces any in-use libraries with the newer version
[17:06] <hggdh> there may be ABI changes
[17:06] <fasta> Still, I rebooted a few times already.
[17:06] <hggdh> fasta, were you the reporter on the bug?
[17:06] <fasta> hggdh: no
[17:06] <hggdh> k
[17:08] <hggdh> for the bug... evo is at 2.24.2, but gtkhtml is at 2.25.3. I dimly remember some quite heavy changes in gtkhtml
[17:14] <wbonx> Hi all, I have a problem but is 'nt simple, so perhaps this is the right place were to ask
[17:14] <wbonx> I'm tryng to manage
[17:15] <wbonx> events creating a file in /etc/acpi/event
[17:15] <cecil> what happen to ubuntu forums ? been off for hours.
[17:15] <wbonx> the file is well formed but acpid doen't manage the action I wrote, only if I restart manually it with " acpid -d" it works
[17:16] <wbonx> so why acpi started via init.d script doen't manage the rule, and starting it with acpid -d works ?
[17:16] <wbonx> thank you everyone
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> When will xserver's 1.6 rc1 hit repros?
[17:39] <Alexia_Death> hmm, should ask this at ubuntu x instead
[19:12] <Kuaera> "Break your system in bad ways" is accurate o_o;
[19:14] <TheInfinity> Kuaera: but sometimes the breakage has lots of style! :)
[19:20] <Kuaera> TheInfinity: Indeed! Having my windowmanager [openbox] lock up, consuming 99% of my CPU and refusing to die is awfully stylish :P
[19:20] <BotLobsta> is there an easy way to downgrade xserver-xorg and all of its dependencies to the previous version without specifying version numbers for each package?
[19:29] <BotLobsta> or does anyone know of a way to get the nvidia 180.22 driver working?
[19:30] <toresbe> if you find one lemme know...
[19:34] <fosco__> no way BotLobsta
[19:40]  * toresbe wishes there was some web site detailing the reason why nvidia is brrroken
[19:40] <BUGabundo1> toresbe: not only nvidia
[19:40] <BUGabundo1> amd and intel are the same
[19:41] <toresbe> BUGabundo1: I'd assume.
[19:41] <BotLobsta> the log file says its because of the driver ABI versions are different and that if you give the nvidia module the -ignoreABI option it might work
[19:41] <BotLobsta> i just have no idea where to pass it that
[19:42] <toresbe> I've passed that. X crashes pretty quickly, as I'd expect, really.
[19:43] <toresbe> I just want an nVidia that works with the current ABI!
[19:50] <BotLobsta> hmmm
[19:50] <BotLobsta> has anyone gotten their system back to a usable state after trying 180.22?
[20:04] <legodude__> BotLobsta: nope :(
[20:05] <legodude__> I can't even get 180.22 due to internet outage, but I have not heard anything good about it yet :(
[20:06] <BotLobsta> legodude__: there isnt anything good about it
[20:06] <BotLobsta> i wouldnt get it whenever you get your internet back
[20:07] <legodude__> ugh
[20:07] <legodude__> you've tried it?
[20:07] <legodude__> I can't even get nv to do anything sane
[20:07] <BotLobsta> yea i tried it this morning
[20:07] <BotLobsta> and it didnt work
[20:08] <BotLobsta> and now im trying to get everything back to 180.11 but its still not working
[20:09] <legodude__> ugh
[20:09] <legodude__> does it install nicely for jaunty or do you have to fiddle with stuff?
[20:10] <BotLobsta> the nvidia-glx-180 package installs fine
[20:10] <BotLobsta> but you supposedly also need to upgrade to the latest xserver-xorg packages
[20:10] <legodude__> alright
[20:10] <legodude__> thanks
[20:10] <legodude__> I'll poke at it
[20:11] <BotLobsta> good luck with it
[20:21] <bluesmoke> man, i totally killed my system :/
[20:21] <bluesmoke> says it can't find things like libnss3.so.1d even though they are installed and I ran ldconfig
[20:23] <bluesmoke> libnss3.so.1d, libnssutil3.so.1d, libsmime3.so.1d, libssl3.so.1d, libplds4.so.1d libplc4.so.0d, and libnspr4.so.0d
[20:23] <bluesmoke> all are installed, ldd says they are not found
[20:25]  * bluesmoke tries to remove ia32-libs
[20:25] <bluesmoke> nope, that didn't help
[20:27] <Amaranth> anyone know what could cause this? I'm at a bit of a loss
[20:28] <Amaranth> i'm guessing a broken binutils
[20:28] <BotLobsta> bad path?
[20:29] <Amaranth> ldconfig files the libraries just fine
[20:29] <Amaranth> err, finds
[20:29] <Amaranth> no other app will
[20:30] <BotLobsta> weird
[20:32] <Amaranth> $ sudo ldconfig -v | grep libnss3.so.1d
[20:32] <Amaranth> err
[20:32] <Amaranth> actually that doesn't show up in ldconfig output :/
[20:39] <hggdh> Amaranth, someone complained of something similar earlier today
[20:39] <Amaranth> did they have a fix? :)
[20:40] <hggdh> they stated they reinstalled the packages
[20:40] <Amaranth> i can't even get online on my ubuntu machine right now, ndiswrapper and broadcom-wl seem to only respond to networkmanager, messing with iwconfig does nothing
[20:40] <hggdh> and that solved it... (and, I think, a reboot)
 libnss3 is not being found by any at least two gnome applications (probably all). How can I fix that?
 It is located in /usr/lib and I already tried adding it to the library path.
 /usr/lib should be on the library path anyway, but that's a different discussion.
[20:41] <Amaranth> hey that did it
[20:41]  * Amaranth facepalms
[20:41]  * hggdh thinks something went bonkers on the update
[20:42] <Amaranth> thanks
[20:43] <hggdh> np
[21:44] <the_owl> hi, i just update my ubuntu to 9.04, but it has no sound, somebody else is the same?
[21:58]  * TheInfinity gibes the_owl an award for the best error description I ever heard
[22:10] <the_owl> TheInfinity: what do you mean?
[22:36] <blueyed> Anybody using cryptsetup here?
[22:39] <RAOF> blueyed: And needing to manually luksOpen their root at a busybox prompt?
[22:40] <blueyed> RAOF: yes, with 2.4.28? - haven't tried manually opening it, still on 2.6.27 because of it.
[22:41] <RAOF> It's the fallout from watershed/udev changes; it's not the kernel, it's the initramfs changes.
[22:41] <blueyed> RAOF: bug 309205
[22:41] <blueyed> RAOF: I've thought about initramfs, too.. but did not want to rebuild the initramfs for my working 2.6.27 kernel.
[22:42] <blueyed> RAOF: can you edit the bug accordingly, please?
[22:42] <RAOF> No, that would be a bad plan ;)
[22:42] <RAOF> Oh, my.  That's not _my_ bug.
[22:42] <RAOF> I can boot just fine, I just need to manually open the crypt
[22:43] <blueyed> RAOF: ok. But you appear to know the root cause better than me..
[22:43] <RAOF> Your problem isn't the same as mine; I don't think I have any idea of the root cause.
[22:43] <blueyed> you don't get the password prompt at all?
[22:44] <blueyed> What's the package for initramfs? initramfs-tools? or is it rather cryptsetup that provides them?
[22:48] <RAOF> I don't get the password prompt at all, until it drops to a busybox prompt.
[22:50] <blueyed> RAOF: are you using usplash? - I guess it'll drop to busybox here also, after a while? Is your /root encrypted?
[22:51] <RAOF> Yes, yes.
[22:51] <blueyed> strange.
[22:51] <blueyed> But some kind of confirmation than at least.. ;/
[22:51] <Melik> hi everyone =)
[22:56] <timing> haha Jaunty is certainly not yet stable :-)
[22:56] <timing> it's doing weird things. bu i'm used to it with alfa versions of ubuntu