[00:20] <asac> hmm ... new linux-headers
[00:20] <asac> does that mean there will be a new linux soon ;)?
[00:34] <fta> asac, http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/01/09/dell.notebooks.ces.2009/
[00:52] <asac> nice
[00:54] <asac> fta: i see that xul is building. thanks
[00:54] <asac> maybe i can even test it before ending day ;)
[03:53] <LaserJock> was FF 2 removed in Intrepid?
[03:58] <[reed]> I hope so.
[04:00] <LaserJock> [reed]: I was actually hoping it wasn't
[04:01] <LaserJock> I wanted to test FF 2 to see if it had less CPU usage
[04:01] <[reed]> why not? Firefox 2 is being deprecated :)
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, my wife's laptop gets thrashed by FF 3
[04:02] <[reed]> because of what exactly?
[04:02] <LaserJock> and I was reading that it was more IO bound because of sqlite
[04:02] <[reed]> yeah, probably
[04:02] <[reed]> if the kernel team would ever fix their fsync() bug
[04:02] <LaserJock> it uses 100% CPU all the time
[04:02] <LaserJock> I added 1GB of RAM thinking it was that but it's not
[04:03] <[reed]> you might try downloading Firefox 3.1 and testing it
[04:03] <LaserJock> it's an older laptop but it really didn't seem like it used to be *this* bad
[08:37] <asac> [reed]: its unlikely that fsync bug will ever get fixed for ext3 (though i dont even know a bug id to be honest)
[08:38] <asac> imo you should ask users to test a different file-system ... maybe ext4 is better? ;)
[09:01]  * asac still awake -> miracle ;)
[09:01]  * asac gets coffee
[09:16] <asac> fta: 316452
[09:16] <asac> bug 316452
[09:16] <asac> ;)
[09:16] <asac> there it is
[09:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: one question: what do you mean by "orthographic corrector"?
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> well the spell checker!
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I used to much Portuguese on it
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[09:45] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok ;)
[10:53] <BUGabundo_work> but do you now know what I meant, asac?
[10:53] <BUGabundo_work> was it your doing or was it in the spellchecker?
[10:58] <asac> BUGabundo_work: no ;) ... i guess its probably spellcheker that got fixed/updated
[11:01] <BUGabundo_work> but FF was the only app that it didn't work with keyboard shortcut
[11:01] <BUGabundo_work> gwibber, kmail, OOo, etc all worked great!
[11:05] <asac> FF is still no real gnome app
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> nor is Kmail
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:23] <asac> fta: wtf ... someone edited whiteboard from ~mozillateam branch even though he is not a member of team?
[11:23] <asac> fta: ~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[11:23] <asac> not that i dont appreciate the content added there ... just feels like its a permission thing
[11:23] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i have no idea which keyboard shortcuts you are referring to ... are those standard bindings?
[11:24]  * asac reveals that he doesnt use spellchecker intensively
[11:44] <BUGabundo_work> asac: the key between altgr and ctrl... the one that emulates mouse right click
[13:13] <armin76> asac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Qwerty.svg <- the "application key"
[13:26] <BUGabundo_work> yeah that's it, armin76
[13:40] <fta2> Jan 13 12:23:57 <asac>  fta: wtf ... someone edited whiteboard from ~mozillateam branch even though he is not a member of team?
[13:40] <fta2> asac, yep, i wondered too. it's not me for sure
[13:41] <fta2> i don't see what has been changed.
[13:41] <fta2> asac, who is that guy btw?
[13:41] <asac> no clue (TM)
[13:41] <asac> dont know him
[13:41] <asac> "someone" ;)
[13:43] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek
[13:44] <fta2> bugsquad? could they update our branches?
[13:46] <fta2> i don"t see a diff in the email i got. the text looks like mine, maybe just the last line
[13:50] <asac> hmm
[13:50] <asac> NO CLUE (TM)
[13:52] <fta2> ok, i'll ask on #lp
[13:57] <asac> thanks
[14:00] <fta2> asac, read the answer :(
[14:04] <fta2> asac, it's not possible to run epiphany over ssh ?
[14:04] <fta2> damn
[14:04] <fta2> dbus
[14:05] <asac> fta2: evo is worse
[14:05] <asac> fta2: epiphany at least runs in a chroot for me
[14:05] <asac> while evo just crashes
[14:05] <asac> fta2: cant you do a proper forward?
[14:06] <fta2> i have a proper port forwarding
[14:07] <asac> for dbus?
[14:07] <fta2> well, no, X11
[14:09] <asac> not sure if one can forward unix sockets
[14:09] <asac> if so it should be doable
[14:09] <asac> otherwise wait for tcp dbus
[14:10] <asac> fta2: actually ... why wouldnt that work?
[14:11] <asac> i mean you run ephy on remote host ... on remote host there is dbus .. that should work
[14:11] <asac> it doesnt need to be forwarded to your system i guess
[14:11] <asac> maybe remote host doesnt have dbus running?
[14:17] <fta2> ** (epiphany-browser:21819): WARNING **: Unable to connect to session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-LzZUiyhzkn: Connection refused
[14:34] <fta2> asac, ^^ both sides have a desktop running so they both have dbus, it's a permission issue apparently
[14:44] <asac> fta2: i think its an env issue yeah
[14:45] <asac> fta2: ssh sets the dbus env ... to the file you have on your local system
[14:45] <asac> that file doesnt exist obviously
[14:45] <asac> what you probably need to do is to create a dbus session on the remote session after logging in and setting the env to the path created b taht
[17:38] <asac_> another sad reconnect here
[17:40] <vadi2> Hi. Does anyone have experience with the firefox code that interacts with networkmanager to see network status?
[17:44] <asac_> vadi2: yes
[17:44] <asac_> vadi2: whats your idea (i am almost out for a while though)
[17:44] <asac_> ?
[17:45] <vadi2> I need to ask network manager if the network is offline or no
[17:45] <vadi2> But unable to find any good tutorials on this so far.
[17:45] <vadi2> do you know anything that can help me started?
[17:46] <asac_> vadi2: is that a general question or in firefox?
[17:46] <asac_> in general its easy: just send a dbus message and you get the answer back
[17:46] <vadi2> no, I just know that firefox does this.
[17:46] <vadi2> well, tried - got access denied..
[17:47] <asac_> vadi2: did you try command line?
[17:47] <asac> e.g. dbus-send?
[17:47] <asac> vadi2: anyway ... have to run now. either wait a few hours; at best we can continue that in #nm channel (where others can help out too)
[17:47] <vadi2> not yet
[17:48] <vadi2> I will wait there
[17:48] <asac> good
[17:48] <asac> vadi2: please ping me in 3 hours or so ;)
[17:48] <asac> otherwise i might forget
[17:48] <vadi2> OK
[17:48] <asac> cu
[17:48] <vadi2> see you
[20:55] <fta> seems this guy likes backporting stuff. https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive
[21:07] <fta> jcastro, gwibber has really troubles with "+". I had one in my password, nada. Alsa, when I paste a link with a "+", the shorted url resolves without the "+".
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1 gives me http://is.gd/fL38 which is "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/ source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1" (note the space instead of the plus)
[21:11] <fta> bad encoding
[21:13] <fta> s/really/real/; i should reread myself, especially when i type while talking one the phone
[21:15] <jcastro> fta: yeah it's a known bug
[21:15] <fta> jcastro, problems with backslash too. impossible to type \o/
[21:16] <jcastro> yeah
[21:16] <fta> it shows o/
[21:16] <jcastro> he just added moved his branch from personal to a small team
[21:16] <jcastro> so fixes should start going in much faster
[21:16] <fta> nice
[21:16] <jcastro> there are a bunch of fixes sitting around
[22:20] <Jazzva> does anyone here know how to contact aza raskin? I want to ask him about packaging ubiquity extension...
[22:20] <Jazzva> (well, it's packaged actually, I just need to finish copyright file)
[23:12] <asac> Jazzva: i already asked them i think
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: at best file a bug if ubiquity has a bugzilla component
[23:13] <asac> refer to the fennec bug ... which is in progress
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: mozilla bug 471474
[23:21] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1
[23:22] <asac> fta: luck ;)
[23:24] <fta> hm, my ppa is full, once again
[23:27] <asac> let me check whether we have new nss/nspr transition bugs
[23:27] <Jazzva> asac: it's stated that it's under trilicense, I just need contact information for the copyright file, and to ask upstream if they're happy with us packaging their extension :)
[23:28] <Jazzva> off for a while...
[23:28] <fta> asac, hurry, alpha3 is frozen ;)
[23:31] <asac> fta: what is left to do for us?
[23:31] <asac> fta: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21134289/var-log-apt-term.log
[23:32] <asac> somehow libnss was upgraded before libnspr?
[23:32] <asac> how can that be?
[23:32] <asac> did i mess up the build depends lower bounds or what?
[23:33] <asac> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libnspr4-0d (>= 4.7.3-0ubuntu1~), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9)
[23:33] <asac> thats ok
[23:33] <asac> (libnss3-1d)
[23:33] <fta> it looks like it's the postinst step
[23:34] <asac> fta: Log started : markers are for independent apt-get update runs
[23:34] <asac> look at the very bottom
[23:34] <asac> or isnt that true?
[23:34] <asac> e.g. one marker for each upgrade
[23:35] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/104596/
[23:36] <asac> fta: well grep can be tricky
[23:36] <asac> look at the bottom of the log
[23:36] <asac> there it is
[23:36] <asac> hmm
[23:36] <asac> i see what you mean ;)
[23:37] <asac> anyway ...
[23:37] <fta> lol, grep is grep, it's not tricky, it gives you what you asked for
[23:37] <asac> no ... i thought you didnt look in the log at all ;)
[23:37] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/104598/
[23:38] <fta> so he install --reinstall libnss3-1d
[23:39] <fta> and libnspr4-0d later on
[23:40] <asac> wh/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libplds4.so is not a symbolic link
[23:40] <asac> [1~[3~[3~
[23:40] <asac> what sswatwhats the problem there?
[23:41] <asac> urgh ;;)
[23:42] <fta> are you trying to do some form of utf8 art ?
[23:44] <fta> my PPA now has 7G
[23:44] <asac> thats good
[23:44] <asac> its supposed to grow forever
[23:44] <asac> as history is preserved ;)
[23:44] <asac> so mozilla-central is heavily on fire again
[23:46] <fta> asac, it seems wrong now, read the #lp discussion between wgrant and cprov for earlier today
[23:46] <fta> asac, around 21:20
[23:47] <asac> am i on #lp?
[23:47] <fta> #launchpad, yes
[23:47] <asac> nope ... seems i wasnt (left again)
[23:48] <asac> i wasnt in at that time ;)
[23:48] <fta> oh
[23:49] <fta> asac, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/13/%23launchpad.html  start at 20:20
[23:50] <asac> new brainstorm ;) ... http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[23:50] <fta> looks like old deb are gone after 30 days to me
[23:54] <asac> really?
[23:54] <asac> "only superseded packages for obsolete distros are marked as Obsolete. The latest versions still Published."
[23:54] <asac> not sure what that means for ppas
[23:54] <asac> probably doesnt apply there
[23:54] <asac> but if we need it we can ask ;)
[23:55] <asac> how long does moz keep ffox dailies?
[23:56] <asac> forever?
[23:56] <asac> seems like
[23:56] <asac> 2004 at least
[23:57] <asac> crazy ;)
[23:57] <asac> i doubt that you can do that with all revisions of a full ubuntu archive ;)
[23:57] <fta> isn't it what snapshot.d.o is doing?
[23:57] <asac> yeah ... just thinking about it
[23:57] <asac> but those are not dailies ;)
[23:58] <asac> like what we want to do in ppa
[23:58] <asac> even for each and every commit ;)
[23:58] <asac> commit packages for ever ;)
[23:58] <asac> wow
[23:58] <asac> think about it
[23:59] <fta> jcastro, do you plan to update the gwibber ppa soon or should I go on and make my own update?
[23:59] <asac> hehe
[23:59] <asac> feel the pressure of fta
[23:59] <asac> fta: how about shaping and uploading to archive ;)?