[00:04] that doesnt make it perls problem though, it just makes the perl revision the catalist [00:04] *yst [00:05] Kamping_Kaiser, hi ! [00:05] hallo [00:06] i'm downloading perl 5.8 from here http://www.ccl4.org/~nick/P/perl-5.8.9.tar.bz2 [00:07] do you think you can help me install it after its done ? [00:10] any reason not to get it from perl.org? http://www.cpan.org/src/README.html [00:11] and i can probably lend you a hand, but only on a fairly theoretical level [00:15] Kamping_Kaiser, ok its downloaded from the link you gave me [00:15] Kamping_Kaiser, how do I install compile and install it ? [00:16] techsupport, have you compiled something before? [00:16] techsupport, yeah a long time ago, I am getting back to ubuntu after a long break [00:18] are you working on the server here, or on a workstation? [00:19] server [00:20] New bug: #316594 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "/etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 84: INITOUTPUT: unbound variable " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316594 [00:21] ok. i generally advise people dont install build environemnts on servers. in a chroot on the server, no worries, but not on the live system. If you dont mind building on your live server, you can skip making a build chroot [00:22] Kamping_Kaiser, i just need it installed and working properly thats it (keeping in mind that perl v.5.10 is already installed) [00:23] * hads thinks installing 8.04 would be easier [00:24] hads, ok can i transfer my database if i install 8.04 ? [00:24] * Kamping_Kaiser thinks people should use LTS on servers, but this clearly isnt universal [00:25] * hads agrees [00:25] New bug: #268536 in samba (main) "mount smbfs not working properly after upgrade from 6 to 8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268536 [00:25] techsupport: That depends what "my database" is, but I'd assume yes. [00:48] kirkland: I like the screenbin idea. [00:49] I've used Ubuntu desktop on EC2 for similar purposes working with and walking somebody through a graphical application. [01:38] im trying to migrate my server to a raid 1 install and the instructions i followed worked save for one thing ... they suggested running update-initramfs -u and now i can boot to any kernel save the one that was running when i issued that command [02:12] <_Cid> Heya, does anyone know how to add log to syslog? [02:14] <_Cid> oh, nice config file - nevermind :-) [02:23] Hi There, I'm trying to install 8.10 on my tower, but whenever it gets to the Hard Disk scanning phase, it keeps on flashing and then keeps on saying "Failed" [02:24] What can i do? [03:44] hay all, got a question for you. [03:45] <_Cid_> uh oh ... [03:45] <_Cid_> is it the one about the african versus the european swallow? [03:46] African swallows are non migratory :) [03:47] it was sort of. [03:47] <_Cid_> but, what is the air velocity? [03:47] :( [03:47] what would one expect to pay for a IBM x445, 4x2.8Ghz MP Xeons, 4Gb ram.. with 2 10k, 36Gb HDD? [03:47] <_Cid_> uh ... [03:48] <_Cid_> less than you :) employee pricing is 15% off I think [03:48] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: gimme a minute, let me look it up - can't rememebr the URL [03:49] cheers _Cid_ [03:49] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: new, refurb or new? [03:50] And in what country [03:50] I'd go with a 4 digit number of $AUD at a guess. [03:50] new zealand [03:51] its second hand.. but no OS [03:51] <_Cid_> hads: good question ... [03:51] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: sorry mate, I only got access to US stuff .... let me give you price comparison anyway [03:51] That's the reason you should say where you are :) [03:51] * _Cid_ is in the living room ... [03:52] * Kamping_Kaiser is in a heater [03:52] That's odd, I'm in the living room too and I can't see you. [03:52] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: looking at the clearance stuff, which would be the best to comapre against for the used market I guess .... looks like .... somewhere around $1400-1850 USD [03:52] * _Cid_ checks for hads behind the counter....you freaking me out dewd .... [03:53] Theh [03:53] that was weird. im use to microsoft and crashes.. but i've never had the program stay open before.. [03:53] sorry. ok, so 1400 - 1850 usd. [03:54] Doesn't appear to be available in NZ [03:54] 2.5k! - 3.28k! [03:55] <_Cid_> uh ..we made him crash [03:56] poor kiwi, probably not used to hearing such large amounts of money [03:56] that was strange... [03:56] ok.. were was i.. [03:56] Kamping_Kaiser: Oi! [03:56] <_Cid_> he probably divided the full amount witht he price of beer, and it made his computer crash [03:56] lol, i say that btw Kamping, [03:56] hehe [03:56] <_Cid_> oh..the kiwi is back [03:56] lol [03:56] NIce CID [03:57] * hads is also in .nz [03:57] so should i grab it if i was offered it for 700 NZD or 394 USD? [03:57] <_Cid_> but..but..the licing room is in California?! [03:57] Gr3mlin: Yes [03:57] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: depends what it is worth for you [03:58] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: great deal - expensive book press though [03:58] Gr3mlin, if you A. can use it, and B. know its all working, i dont see why not [03:58] LOL, it could server me! [03:58] lol [03:59] You need somewhere to put it too [03:59] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: and you ened to give me an account [03:59] no, ive got a game server. but its pretty crap and i looked at what everyone else is running.. sortta [03:59] made me wanna get one! [04:00] but getting t he OS is the expensive bit.. [04:00] That bit is free [04:01] ? [04:01] <_Cid_> run linux on it .. [04:01] ubuntu? [04:01] Of course [04:01] <_Cid_> sure [04:02] <_Cid_> not sure what version of Ubuntu made it to NZ yet - but anything should work [04:02] the game server needs windows. they havent converted it over yet. [04:02] * _Cid_ put on his abstest suit ... [04:02] _Cid_: Quit it :) [04:02] <_Cid_> what game we talking? [04:02] is it v8? [04:02] _Cid_, its ok, australia has spare 5.10's we can send over :D [04:03] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: Redhat 5.1 ? :D [04:03] guess.. hl2-gmod-ZS and others. [04:03] _Cid_, or that ;) [04:03] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: running windows on a box like that is a crime .. [04:04] Yeah... i guess i could use wine. [04:04] <_Cid_> now you talking [04:04] <_Cid_> I mean, a box like that - you could even run VI in color, and it wouldnt break sweat! [04:05] i've already had Ubuntu v8 with wine for the whole doesnt crap itsself factor and performance wise. it [04:05] crapped itself. [04:05] <_Cid_> you guys ever get to the point where your server is running super smooth ... you watch it do that for a few days..and then...uhm....get kinda bored? [04:06] lol [04:06] i'd imagine a box like that would be extremely loud aye.? [04:07] _Cid_, personal servers, yes. public/production, no :) [04:07] Gr3mlin, remember its not v7, v8. the .04 or .10 is important [04:10] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: yes on loudness - most likely [04:10] ohh.. sorry, i have to say, it was extremely painless to install, i didnt know what 2 do.. i was [04:10] like... wait.. wheres the questions? the restarts? the BSOD's? then using it was really simple also! [04:10] umm, its was Ubuntu 8.04.1 i3 [04:10] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: jus a hobby server, serving a handful of doamins with mail and stuff like that [04:10] is that better Kamping_Kaiser? [04:11] <_Cid_> oh - I know, I could fix my webserver .... forgot about that nonsense [04:11] ;P [04:11] :p [04:11] <_Cid_> switched to apache, seems complicated [04:12] what was it before? [04:12] <_Cid_> lighttp [04:12] <_Cid_> d [04:14] <_Cid_> humm...in apache ... anyway I can force a subdomain (on port 80) to reload itself (on port 443) ? [04:14] hah. you'll notice a little more complexity yes ;p [04:15] <_Cid_> like .. you go to http://secure.foo.com and it loads https:/secure.foo.com instead? [04:15] use an apache vhost and redirect [04:15] <_Cid_> what is all this avaliacle-sites etc etc .... I just want a conf file :P [04:15] * Kamping_Kaiser attempts to locate his template [04:15] <_Cid_> didn't the last apache vhost die at little big horn? [04:16] hm. its (ironically) on the host without an httpd. just a tick, i'll copy it somewhere you can see [04:17] <_Cid_> oh, a html redirect? [04:18] thanks for the help! i'll sleep on it! :P i guess if could just pass it on for my money back or more if [04:18] i decide i dont need it! [04:18] _Cid_, http://121.45.97.134/~kgoetz/apache2-vhost-template.txt http://121.45.97.134/~kgoetz/000.default.site [04:18] <_Cid_> Gr3mlin: if you have no need, its kinda expensive ..it will also use quite a bit of power :P [04:19] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: sweet, thanks (this is supposed to be easier than lighttpd?! - gimme regex back!) [04:20] _Cid_, no worries. I got them working, and wouldnt be able to do it from scratch anymore ;) [04:21] * Kamping_Kaiser -> lunch. [04:21] _Cid_, good luck with it. I find #apache helpful, if a little hostile (they don't like Debian) [04:21] * Kamping_Kaiser will bbl [04:21] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks man :) [04:21] * _Cid_ ponders what Aussies says as 'goodbye' [04:21] <_Cid_> G'bye mate! [04:22] :) [04:37] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, that worked - just really slow, as if it is doing several lookups ..which..I guess it is :P [04:41] :) [04:42] <_Cid_> quick lunch [04:42] <_Cid_> let me guess, you threw a shrimp on the barbie? [04:42] almost, i threw some jam on a bread :p [04:42] <_Cid_> could have been worse ...marmamite - yack! [04:42] <_Cid_> what is WRONG with you people [04:42] iky stuff [04:42] dads in the house breaking shit, so I figured fast was the best plan [04:43] _Cid_, marmite is foul. vegemite ftw though. [04:43] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: back to my previous point - what is WRONG with you people! [04:45] _Cid_, :O [04:45] nothing. [04:45] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: isnt it mostly yeast? [04:46] _Cid_, vegemite? yeah. [04:46] <_Cid_> sounds yummy [04:47] <_Cid_> you guys monitor #ubuntu? busy channel [04:47] <_Cid_> was just a guy having trouble figuring scp out - the advise he got was to install proftp [04:48] I don't. I don't use ubuntu in any serious way anymore. i'm here as much because I keep forgetting to leave as because I can still help out a little. [04:48] <_Cid_> hehe - what do you use? [04:48] <_Cid_> Deb? [04:48] thats why i dont #ubuntu - the useful advice to rubish advice ratio is not worth it [04:48] yeah. everyware [04:49] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: I came from Debian ..jsut thought I would try Ubuntu when it came out ..kidna stuck .... as a server, not a huge difference, Ubuntu gets the same advantages as Debian I think :P [04:50] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: Ubuntu on the server, macOS on the desktop - working great for me [04:50] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: if I had to redo everything again from scratch ..I might go back to Debian, just due to the coolness factor ;-) [04:50] _Cid_, i switched Debian (sarge) -> Ubuntu (when it came out) -> Debian (after u.6.10) [04:50] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: why? :) [04:51] I find the (desktop) releases after 6.06 to be rubish. [04:51] <_Cid_> what was before sarge again? ...woody? [04:51] yep [04:51] <_Cid_> and before that? [04:51] potato [04:51] <_Cid_> thats right! I used potato ... humm...before that? [04:51] * Kamping_Kaiser remembers needing to select 'linux26' to get a 2.6 kernel with sarge [04:51] <_Cid_> slink! [04:51] <_Cid_> I started on Slink [04:52] heh. I wasnt doing free software when slink was around [04:52] <_Cid_> did RH before that [04:52] * Kamping_Kaiser tuts ;p [04:52] <_Cid_> RH was my first lunix [04:53] <_Cid_> heh ..I wanna know now - when was RH 5.0 ... [04:53] i played with manrape (mandrake), RH, FC, looked at xandros/linspire and tried debian. [04:54] <_Cid_> 97 [04:54] <_Cid_> I guess I started with linux in 1997 ..wow [04:54] * _Cid_ is old [04:54] * Kamping_Kaiser is impressed [04:54] * owh smacks _Cid_ around the head with a zimmer frame :) [04:54] <_Cid_> Cartman was my last RH ... thats 1999 ...does that match up with slink? [04:55] <_Cid_> it does - wohoo [04:55] btw, spamassassin+Claws mail == <3<3<3 [04:55] <_Cid_> owh: ok - took me a while, as I had to look up what a zimmer frame was ...but now that I did 'HEY!!' [04:56] haha [04:56] _Cid_: Old age will do that to you :) [04:56] <_Cid_> Why you little! [04:56] * owh is of 1967 heritage :) [04:57] <_Cid_> owh: you had to be, how else would you have a zimemr frame to hit me with! [04:57] <_Cid_> [04:57] _Cid_: See, you're not as dumb as you look ;0 [04:57] <_Cid_> Claws ... looking at it now - whats so great about it [04:57] <_Cid_> owh: good thing too! [04:57] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: any mail client with NO graphic on their web page gotta be l337 [04:58] _Cid_, its lightweight, has an SA plugin, and is working nicely [04:58] it cant handle >9GB maildirs though. i shold file a bug on that [04:58] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: I am a big fan of Mail.app [04:58] _Cid_, really? i've never looked :) [04:58] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.claws-mail.org/ [04:59] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: not trying to start a flame war here ...but I am curious ...what does Debian have these days, that ubuntu does not? [05:00] theres a graphic there ... [05:00] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: barely .... [05:00] _Cid_: A slower release schedule :) [05:00] * _Cid_ is starting to appreciate owh [05:00] _Cid_, QA, when its ready releases, an absence of stupid services that spam the network, reconfigure your interfaces and overwrite config files [05:00] things like that [05:01] owh, <3 [05:01] <_Cid_> I got stupid services that spam the network? [05:01] _Cid_, not sure why a small number of graphics ona site is a bad thing :) [05:01] _Cid_: Humour is an acquired taste :) [05:01] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: for a client? ..I would expect a screenshot - maybe just me [05:01] _Cid_, on u. desktop yeah. [05:02] <_Cid_> owh: apt-get install humour [05:02] <_Cid_> Reading package lists... Done [05:02] <_Cid_> Building dependency tree [05:02] <_Cid_> Reading state information... Done [05:02] <_Cid_> E: Couldn't find package humour [05:02] * _Cid_ expects to get kicked for spamming ... [05:02] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: claw is not for the desktop? [05:02] _Cid_, feinds that they are, they are using a 'screenshots' page ;) [05:02] _Cid_, hm? [05:03] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: with no link to the screenshots page? ... or ..am I blind [05:03] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: DOH ...haha, had the entire right column outside my screen [05:03] hahaha [05:03] oops ;p [05:03] <_Cid_> old age ... ya know [05:03] _Cid_: apt-cache search humour [05:03] <_Cid_> didnt parse well in lynx [05:04] <_Cid_> owh: apt-get moo (just try it) [05:04] _Cid_: I am familiar with the cow. [05:04] <_Cid_> no! [05:04] <_Cid_> only cool people know abotu the cow [05:04] _Cid_: Everything new is old :) [05:04] are you famliar with the bug about the cow not looking cowy enough? [05:04] <_Cid_> Kamping_Kaiser: hehe, never looked that one up [05:05] _Cid_, i'll find it for you [05:05] Kamping_Kaiser: I think I did see that quite some time ago. Got a bug number for us? [05:05] * _Cid_ is going to heat some milk for the little one, brb (and you wondered what I was doing up) [05:06] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 [05:06] Launchpad bug 56125 in apt "apt-get moo doesnt look like a cow" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [05:07] Hah [05:09] <_Cid_> I like the cow [05:11] <_Cid_> hah, someone even posted a patch! [05:11] aptitude moo is cool [05:12] <_Cid_> dry, but funny :) [05:12] <_Cid_> This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. [05:12] Try it with -v, then -vv etc. [05:29] <_Cid_> what is that? ..looks like an elephant being eaten by a snake or something [05:37] _Cid_: No, it's a snake choking on a zimmer frame. [05:37] <_Cid_> owh owwwh! [06:31] hi all [06:31] i am unable to compile drbd0.7 using m-a on ubuntu hardy LTS release [06:31] i am in the progress of upgrading my heartbeat cluster from dapper to hardy [06:53] <_Cid> owh: still here? [06:54] * owh nods [06:54] <_Cid> I am getting tired, quick - say something funny! [06:55] If you are in need of some exercise, then you need to start small. Perhaps you could lift the baby - sort of starting with baby-weights. [06:55] <_Cid> don;t work well under pressure, do you? [06:56] _Cid: I figured with bottles, up late, it would work - but you must be getting tired :) [06:56] <_Cid> hehe, and bottle is getting empty - mine that is ... [06:56] <_Cid> well ..his too [06:57] _Cid: See -- it all works out :) [06:57] _Cid: When you took delivery, you did get the user manual and the briefing notes? [06:57] <_Cid> hah! - he is warming up! [06:58] _Cid: Haven't managed to locate the wiki have you? [06:58] <_Cid> there is one?! [06:58] <_Cid> (its my first, could use one) [06:59] _Cid: Oh, they did tell you that you can't give them back didn't they? [07:00] <_Cid> only in Nevada, I heard [07:01] _Cid: We have a casino car park where you can leave them - seems that quite a few do. [07:01] <_Cid> you in nevada? - hehe [07:02] <_Cid> ok real question ... sudo su vs. sudo -i ..... pro/cons? [07:02] * owh uses sudo -s [07:02] I do too mostly, though if you want root's env then use -i [07:03] _Cid: You've been around IT for a bit - you already know the answer - "It depends..." [07:04] :) [07:04] <_Cid> sudo -s ...whats that? [07:04] <_Cid> I do sudo /bin/su - [07:04] <_Cid> old habbit ... [07:04] _Cid: Waaaaaaaaaay toooooo much typing :) [07:04] <_Cid> heheh [07:05] <_Cid> hehe, getting punked on #ubuntu for askwering a person who asked how do I become root ... [07:05] <_Cid> [07:06] Here's a completely side-ways question. I'm doing this in PHP, but I'm really after methodology, not language specific. I have a class a that extends class c, and another class b, that also extends class c, I need an object that provides both methods from a and b. Specifically ... [07:07] ... class c implements PDFs, class a implements templates for PDFs and class b implements variable images on PDFs - I need both. [07:07] Comments and suggestions? [07:07] <_Cid> clearly a job for goto ..or perhaps even gosub [07:07] * Kamping_Kaiser stabs _Cid for suggesting goto [07:07] _Cid: I suppose I could peek() and poke() :) [07:08] <_Cid> wb Kamping_Kaiser :) [07:08] * owh wrote 6502 machine code back in the days :) [07:08] EA == NOP [07:08] 20 == JSR [07:08] :) [07:09] _Cid, ty :) [07:09] <_Cid> back in the days ..when coding was easy, only had to know 2! keys [07:10] <_Cid> there are 10 kind of people in this world, those that understand binary - and those that dont [07:10] I just scared myself, I googled NOP and JSR, and I was right :) [07:10] http://www.6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html [07:10] Meanwhile, my question was a serious one. [07:11] <_Cid> I will keep stabbing fun at your question, to hide the fact that I got no clue - ok with you? [07:11] _Cid: Sure. [07:12] _Cid: The only requirement is that the references are arcane and funny. [07:12] Morning [07:13] <_Cid> ah! or we could ask Jeeves [07:13] Yes, that qualifies :) [07:13] * _ruben wonders how often that jokes being made per day :p [07:13] <_Cid> thank you :) [07:13] <_ruben> s/jokes/joke's/ [07:13] <_Cid> or!! ..we could ask _ruben!!! ... no? ...not quite the same ring to it, eh? [07:14] <_ruben> not really ;) [07:14] _ruben: In most channels that joke comes around two or three times [07:15] <_Cid> do most people try to take it a step further ...and are they as unsuccesful as I were? [07:15] <_ruben> Jeeves_: not too bad then ;) [07:16] <_Cid> owh: I think we should look at very basic methodology here... [07:16] _Cid: They all fail. But that's ok. :) [07:16] Jeeves_: What made _Cid's effort funnier than most is that I had required that if he was going to make fun of my question, that "The only requirement is that the references are arcane and funny." [07:17] <_Cid> owh: it would seem to me that your class a ... multiplied by itself ... added to your b class ... multiplied by itself...should GIVE you your c class ...you may however have to square it ... [07:17] _Cid: Does that come with a Dunce hat? [07:17] <_Cid> (may not be funny, but it sure was arcane!) [07:18] <_Cid> you know, I had to look that one up too - but I had a feeling I had guessed it...which I had [07:18] Jeeves_: My reply to your initial greeting was going to be: "Morning, what do you call this? Morning happened 11 hours ago. Thanks for coming." - but then _Cid came along with something else :) [07:20] So _Cid are your eye-lids getting heavy yet? [07:20] _Cid: OMG, it's full of stars. [07:21] <_Cid> kinda waking up again - thanks :) it helped joining 5 random channels and chatting people up :) [07:22] _Cid: Yes, they do look random. [07:22] <_Cid> they are all OS :D [07:22] _Cid: Next you'll be telling us some haiku's and confusing them with 6502 assembly. [07:22] <_Cid> owh: no no, its the OS ...not the poems [07:23] _Cid: See, now you're confused :) [07:23] <_Cid> owh: hehe, recall BeOS ? [07:23] <_Cid> owh: some die hard fan are rewriting it from scratch ... calling it haiku [07:23] _Cid: I even booted it once. [07:24] <_Cid> owh: I bought stocks .... how is that for arcane and funny? [07:24] _Cid: It was fast, but it didn't do much. [07:24] <_Cid> story of its life [07:24] _Cid: You're going to wear out that Dunce hat. [07:24] <_Cid> owh: and the .err..what was it ... ziggler frame ..thingy [07:25] <_Cid> owh: kinda nostalgig ...fat download, and launch in vmware ... it kinda looks like the real thing :) [07:25] zimmer frame [07:25] Your memory is failing too. [07:25] <_Cid> who said that? [07:26] Altzheimers is not when you forget what keys are, but what they're for. [07:27] <_Cid> hehe [08:09] _Cid: You still awake? [08:10] <_Cid> barely... [08:10] Just checking. [08:10] <_Cid> I had some fun talking in #mac about how hard a mac is to use - they kept me going for a while [08:10] Hehe [08:11] <_Cid> suprised how many of them agreed with me [08:11] _Cid: You have any particular reason for staying awake? [08:11] <_Cid> yes! [08:11] <_Cid> a very very good one [08:11] <_Cid> nothing but brilliant [08:11] * owh waits with baited breath. [08:11] <_Cid> If I think of it, I will make sure to let you know ... [08:11] * owh yawns. [08:11] Yawning is such a wonderful thing. [08:11] * _Cid does not work well under pressure! [08:12] When you think about yawning, others do too. [08:12] <_Cid> *yawn* [08:12] * owh suspects that _Cid is yawning now. [08:12] <_Cid> bastard! [08:12] ROTFL [08:12] <_Cid> I did [08:12] <_Cid> well... little guy needs feeding within the next hour [08:12] Man, that was funny. [08:12] <_Cid> I am staying awake so "mother" can get some sleep [08:13] <_Cid> what is your excuse? [08:15] _Cid: It's day time. [08:15] _Cid: I'm working. [08:15] <_Cid> stop side stepping and answer the question! [08:15] _Cid: Clients pay me to work. [08:16] _Cid: Oh, well, for one, I'm not bored :) [08:16] <_Cid> owh: hehe, php developer by trade? [08:16] _Cid: Did I mention that it's day time? [08:16] _Cid: No, forced by circumstance. I'm really a business continuity expert, but I get drawn into fixing stuff for people :) [08:17] _Cid: I console myself with the fact that I get to bill them :) [08:17] <_Cid> at a business continuity consultants rate [08:18] <_Cid> Business continuity ... I like that "so ..uhmm.. you guys need to keep going, ok ... can;t sell products if we dont make them - keep it up!' [08:18] Hell yeah. [08:18] * owh has noticed a trend where the higher one's rates are, the better the client listens. [08:19] <_Cid> Hey, truck driver ... you need to keep driving mmmkay ... you wont reach yoru destination if you dont drive ...ok! ... thats continuity for you .. [08:19] * owh still doesn't charge enough. [08:19] I was told once that if 50% of your clients are not complaining about your rates, you're too cheap. [08:19] <_Cid> owh: I once walked from a project (kinda) - they begged me back ..I said, sure - for 100% rate increase ... they accepted, and MAN did they listen to me after that [08:20] <_Cid> owh: now I work for IBM - 100% of our customers complain about our rates, we must be spot on :-) [08:20] _Cid: The BC is more like: "So, if this particular thing fails, what will it cost your business? Can you afford for it to break?" [08:20] ROTFL [08:21] * owh is self employed - not sure if I ever want to work for anyone again. 'suppose if a good enough offer came along, but otherwise, I like what I do. [08:21] BRB [08:22] <_Cid> but you are right, we used to give free proof of concepts away - part of our selling phase .. had like a 25% closign rate ... then we started charging .... sure we doing fewer ..but we got 80% closure now [08:23] _Cid: Now that is an interesting concept. [08:23] * owh steals that :) [08:23] <_Cid> quality over quantity [08:23] <_Cid> if they not willing to pay SOMETHING (even symbolic) ... they not gonna buy anyway [08:24] Yup, that's why I stole that idea just then. I had the same problem - but that neatly solves it :) [08:25] <_Cid> I will send you an invoice [08:26] * owh sends _Cid an address: /dev/null [08:26] <_Cid> oh, lots of room there ...gonna move my files there while I replace this HD - THANKS! [08:27] _Cid: That's right up there with a colleague storing important data on my transfer volume. She was not impressed when I emptied the transfer volume once a week. [08:27] <_Cid> :D [08:28] Or the time I received a floppy disk with a note stapled to it. [08:28] <_Cid> owh: I do security scans these days ... we warn people again and again not to let us test on their production .. you should see some of the things we accidently 'ruin' .... 8million random sql injection attacks tend to polute your data, hehe [08:28] <_Cid> hahaha [08:29] _Cid: I was once provided with a web-site that needed "fixing". It contained a dump of the database, which included 80.000 un-encoded credit card details. Not impressed. [08:29] moin [08:29] tuss [08:29] * owh doesn't have a ringle-s. [08:30] Actually, that should have been "tuess" I guess. [08:30] <_Cid> owh: if only that story was unique :/ [08:30] <_Cid> owh: tell you the best job I ever had .... scan a commercial adult entertainment web portal ..awwwriggghht [08:31] <_Cid> owh: funniest report ever too .. looks like you got a vurnability when accessing redheaded anal - we should use the library over here from the well hung ponies section [08:31] My best job was to be the manager of a help desk, seniour multi-media developer and national radio announcer at the same work-place. All fun - while it lasted :) [08:31] _Cid: I was offered a job to develop some video streaming for such a site, but their budget didn't exist - not interested. [08:31] <_Cid> hehe :) [08:32] <_Cid> the perks man, the perks! [08:32] _Cid: New Zealand - no perks, just sheep. [08:32] Badaboom! [08:33] <_Cid> baaah, hehe :D [08:33] <_Cid> bahahaaahaaa [08:34] Now that I've successfully done nothing for the past few hours other than keeping you awake and helping in ##php, I'm buggering off to actually have some food and even do some work. [08:35] <_Cid> more hours to bill this way :-) [08:36] _Cid: I wish - I'm waaay too honest for that. [08:36] <_Cid> ah..in that case - we should do business some time :D [08:36] _Cid: onno@itmaze.com.au -- anytime [08:36] * owh only reads email when awake :) [08:36] * owh yawns [08:37] <_Cid> hehe [08:37] Yawning, it's a funny thing. [08:37] <_Cid> no! [08:37] <_Cid> not this time1 [08:37] <_Cid> oh you BASTARD!! [08:38] ROTFL [08:38] * owh yawns again. [08:38] We could do this for a while. [08:39] <_Cid> grumble [08:39] _Cid: It gets better... [08:39] * owh yawns to _Cid [08:40] <_Cid> owh: what you doing in mac? ;-) gonna yawn in all my channels? [08:40] I did :) [08:40] <_Cid> script, or fast typing?:) [08:40] Copy/Paste - they have that on modern operating systems now. [08:41] It's been fun. [08:41] Later all. [08:41] <_Cid> thats like..printing on carbon copy paper? [08:58] anyone using drbd? [09:44] soren: Awake? [10:18] Jeeves_: According to legend, I'm always awake. I sometimes wander off, though :() [10:19] :) [10:19] A trick I'll be performing again rather shortly, actually. [10:20] :) [10:20] You were wondering how I managed libvirt + migration? [10:20] YEs. [10:20] You know 'apt-get install' ? :) [10:20] [10:20] Yes... [10:20] Are you running Jaunty? [10:20] yes I am [10:20] Ah. [10:21] And it works, almost [10:21] Ok, I did not expect that. [10:21] Except for the fact that storage takeover doesn't work [10:21] Which is a shame, because that would be really cool [10:22] "storage takeover"? [10:23] Yeah, I've got the images on nfs [10:27] So when i do a migrate [10:27] It works [10:28] but the destination server is not allowed (or at least unable) to use the nfs-hosted image file [10:28] And so the vm gets timeouts on storage and fails [10:30] i haven't actually tested with nfs (only samba), but I was under the impression that it should work. [10:30] Perhaps kvm 82 will help (due to be uploaded today) [10:30] Ah ok [10:30] coolio [10:31] So samba (cifs?) does work? [10:49] hmm [10:49] vmware2libvirt doesn't seem to work for me [10:51] Jeeves_: Feel free to file a bug. Package: virt-goodies, iirc. [10:52] I need to shut off all electronic equipment now, return my seat to an upright position, blah, blah.. Be back later today.. [10:55] soren: It seems that I'm clueless [10:55] So I'll bug myself first [10:55] than check if it works :) [11:36] is there somethig like dhcp-host=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX,hostname for dhcp3-server? [11:37] rather then making a host in the config file? [11:37] i have to assign hostname for 200 computers [11:38] wouldnt a config file be easier? [11:39] its done i a config file, but i would linke a simple one-line command insted of the host block [11:40] linke the one in dnsmasq [11:41] *like [11:42] I've only tried using a config file (for both), so I cant really help on that front [12:56] is scst now in 8.10 ? [12:59] <_ruben> !info scst [12:59] Package scst does not exist in intrepid [13:04] _ruben: he :D === ogra_ is now known as ogra [16:02] mathiaz: When/where are we meeting? [16:02] ScottK-desktop: once the TB meeting is over [16:02] Isn't it supposed to be now in ubuntu-meeting? [16:02] nvm [16:02] Thanks. [16:27] hi all [16:28] does someone know what is the cpu controler for speedstep for a xeon 53XX in a x3650 ibm server [16:43] sommer: Did you see cody-sommerville's questions on the ebox SRU? [16:43] um, nope [16:43] ah [16:53] sommer: I can help you to answer those questions :) [16:54] foolano: awesome, I appreciate it :) [16:56] foolano: I just grabbed the patches from the package version in the ebox ppa, and added some patches for other files where necessary [16:56] sommer: yeah, i see that [16:56] foolano: everything builds and is functional, but I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to what the patches actually modified [16:57] foolano: shouldn't be too hard to adjust that though [16:57] or too much work :-) [16:57] the slapd changes are obvious [16:57] because of the change of configuration backend [16:58] foolano: I thought so, but it seems there may be some small details to work out [16:59] we are working on tools to do that more nicely. that patch was an interim solution to make it work with the new conf backend [17:00] foolano: it may be easier to fix the jaunty packages first, or upload newer versions, so the SRU process is followed better [17:00] i mean, we dont take advantage of having the directory backend yet, we use have something to make it work as it did with hardy [17:00] sommer: i'm already working on the Jaunty packages [17:00] Generally fixing in the development release first is required. [17:01] foolano: coolio, is there any thing you need help with? [17:01] i haven't tested it thoroughly but at least all the packages that are already in hardy and intrepid are working [17:02] are working in Jaunty, i mean [17:03] i would like to make a few changes to our ldap package. [17:03] And also, we released a ebox-mail package using dovecot a couple of months ago, and users are pretty happy with it [17:04] we should drop courier in Jaunty and use dovecot [17:04] * _Cid nods at foolano [17:05] foolano: From our perspective that'd be better. [17:05] dovecot is in Main and courier is not. [17:05] ScottK: people who had issues with courier, switched to dovecot and everything went fine [17:05] and it's way easier for us to configure [17:06] I have a query on ebox. Does it still use the running instance of apache to act as the server for it? If so what happens if you mis-configure apache? [17:07] davmor2: it uses its own apache instance as it needs to be run as 'ebox' user [17:08] <_Cid> all this e-box stuff is intriguing, I might have to try it out [17:09] foolano: So if you pooch screw apache and it doesn't restart the ebox instance should still is that correct? [17:11] davmor2: that's correct. Unless you use the same port as ebox's, kill ebox's apache, and start normal apache on the same port :) [17:11] foolano: for the intrepid SRU process, can you get the updated jaunty packages uploaded into universe, or have someone sponsor them? [17:11] foolano: Cool thanks for the info [17:12] sommer: sure, I'll try to have them ready during this week. As soon as I release a new version, i'll work on that [17:13] foolano: sounds good, thanks [17:14] sommer: fortunately, we have a bunch of automated tests to run. I just have to add Jaunty. Otherwise it'd be hell to do it in hardy, intrepid, jaunty and lenny everytime :) [17:17] foolano: automation is a wonderful thing :-). if you need non-automated testing of anything just let me know... I should be able to help out with ti [17:21] thanks man :) [18:12] hey people. Anything I should know when I want to create lvm partitions on a disk image in a ubuntu hardy in a xen virtual machine? [18:13] make sure you've got mains power flowing [18:13] Deeps: what do you mean? I should have the power turned on? [18:13] well if your computer's not turned on, you cant do anything with it [18:13] :D [18:13] ok [18:13] good [18:14] then I guess I am all setup to start [18:14] :) [18:19] SmokeyD: I used xen-tools, for example: [18:19] xen-create-image --fs=ext3 --size=4GB --swap=256Mb --lvm=VGData01 --hostname=ushldap --dhcp --install-method=debootstrap --dist=hardy --mirror=file://media/cdrom/ --passwd [18:20] VGData01 is the Volume group, with this setup xen-create-image will create tu LV one for root (4GB) and swap (256M) [18:20] *two [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320 [18:23] ;-)))))))))))) [18:23] !ops [18:23] Help! Channel emergency! infinity, soren, lamont, mathiaz or tom [18:29] is it safe to click on this link ? [18:29] :D === pricechild is now known as Pricey [19:18] wow, that link is Full of Win [19:30] how can i check what type of rom drive is in my server from the cli? [19:34] do you mean cd/dvd AnRkey [19:34] thats correct yes [19:35] lshw is getting me nowhere [19:35] dmidecode ? [19:36] if lshw -C disk [19:36] doesn't work then [19:36] try man dmidecode [19:36] i was looking for a class to use, thanks... let me try quick [19:36] sudo lshw -C disk: [19:36] *-cdrom:0 [19:36] description: DVD reader [19:36] product: DVD-ROM GDR8163B [19:36] vendor: HL-DT-ST [19:36] physical id: 2 [19:36] bus info: scsi@1:0.0.0 [19:37] logical name: /dev/cdrom1 [19:37] logical name: /dev/dvd1 [19:37] logical name: /dev/scd0 [19:37] logical name: /dev/sr0 [19:37] version: 0D20 [19:37] capabilities: removable audio dvd [19:37] configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc [19:38] nothing [19:38] on my box here or the server [19:40] sudo lshw -class disk [19:40] that did it [19:40] MianoSM, you rock mate! thanks this saved me a long drive [19:41] my wife will be happy too cause it's like 21:40 here [19:51] anytime [19:51] lshw and dmidecode are awesome [20:27] Hi, when i log into ubuntu server 8.10 a stat review is displayed, which program is used? [20:28] i am getting error 25 on boot, nybody know what this is? [20:30] Celephais: update-motd [20:31] sommer, thanks [20:31] np [20:35] rgotten: is that a grub error? [20:36] sounds like it. [20:36] Loading Stage 1.5? [20:36] jmedina: it looks like [20:36] http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html [20:37] did you modify any parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst o in the command line? [20:38] no, this is what it says in the link that you send to me for grub errors: 25 : "Unrecognized command" This error is returned if an unrecognized command is entered into the command-line or in a boot sequence section of a config file and that entry is selected......Any clue how to fix this? [20:39] You may be able to reinstall GRUB, or using SuperGrubDisk repair your current setup. [20:40] any hints on how to do this..i am a newbe [20:40] supergrubdisk is available at: http://www.supergrubdisk.org [20:40] Or if you can drop into a busybox shell [20:41] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769319 [20:42]