LaserJocknhandler: can you add what just happened with the PPA copy to bug #225131 ?00:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 225131 in soyuz "PPA copy package ought to allow viewing multiple pages of results" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22513100:00
LaserJockI think that's the right bug00:00
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nhandlerLaserJock: Sure thing00:01
LaserJocknhandler: thanks00:01
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neversfeldeI packaged a plasmoid, but I cannot upload to revu, because I do not know the authors full name. I mailed him, but got no answer, I cannot use a Nickname, can I?00:02
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seeleit didnt work..00:03
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ScottKNCommander: I don't remember for sure.  Did you have a fix for kde4libs on armel yet?00:03
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NCommanderScottK, no, because I had my computer ICe00:04
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ScottKNCommander: OK.  I thought I remembered you said that went away.00:04
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NCommanderIt just did today it seems00:05
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seelei want cult description of kool-aid00:05
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nhandlerNCommander: I guess something must have changed, pbuilder created a jaunty chroot this time. Although I have no clue what I did differently00:07
seelei still dont get how karma works00:09
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seeleah hah!00:09
nhandlerseele: It works just like that00:09
seelei see.. so no love for seele00:09
* Riddell suddely feels self improvement00:09
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JontheEchidnaneversfelde: hmm, not sure. Asking in #ubuntu-motu might be advisable00:09
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nhandlerneversfelde: If you are unable to find it, and the author is not responding, the archive admins might still let it in00:10
neversfeldenhandler: thx, I will wait another day and then upload it.00:11
LaserJock~karma neversfelde++00:14
kubotuneversfelde++ has neutral karma00:14
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neversfeldeyay, +2 in 1ß seconds :)00:15
* JontheEchidna reboots for full kde 4.2 goodness00:15
* seele sighs00:15
seelemine is bork.  neon is good though00:15
* neversfelde lost plasma on intrepid00:15
* seele too00:16
LaserJockI'm kinda scared to try it now :(00:16
Tonio_Riddell: got your email.... really sorry for the issue...00:16
Tonio_Riddell: I have to take my time to do it correctly :)00:16
Tonio_Riddell: are the archives frozen actually ? I didn't get the second part of your email...00:17
RiddellTonio_: no, you won't until tomorrow, but it's ok you can just fix it and upload tonight00:18
Tonio_Riddell: hum.... 3 packages, 3 issues.... I may just be too tired to do things correctly today.... let's wait for tomorrow00:19
Tonio_Riddell: too many things in the work.... I shouldn't have missed the licencing issue, that's bad00:19
nhandlerWhy didn't the second copy batch show up?00:20
* nhandler goes to fix it00:21
jjesse_hrmm anothernegative for knetworkmanager -- no easy way to share a wired internet via the wireless card like on my wife's macbook :(00:21
* ScottK asks 5 year old a question ...00:25
seelewhere do babies come from?00:25
ScottKResponses is, "Dad, I'm trying to color here."00:25
neversfeldesorry, hehe was for another channel :(00:25
seeleScottK: lol did you ask her something mushy?00:25
ScottKUnfortunately she takes lessons from her tennage sisters.00:25
ScottKseele: Not mushy, just silly.00:26
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kubotuenjoys a drink after returning from new york :/ (3 months, 3 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 24 seconds ago via web)00:27
ScottKIn other news I blew my several week streak of not getting pissed off about Launchpad/LP developers.00:27
seelewtf i dont remember going to new york00:27
ScottK[18:42:19] <ScottK> BTW, I don't accept that people managing to develop a really slow web tool gives them any particular expertise about Linux distro development.00:27
jjesse_wow 3 months 3 days 4 hours 11 minutes and 24 second s ago :)00:27
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jjesse_ScottK: that's an interesting comment00:28
seeleit's also true00:28
ScottKSomeone on #ubuntu-motu was holding out the help.launchpad.net recommendations on PPA revison numbering as somehow authoritative.00:29
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seele~twitter update packing up after a boring day at a conference on genetically modified cryogenically frozen ninja mice who glow and fight cancer00:29
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kubotuenjoys a drink after returning from new york :/ (3 months, 3 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes and 48 seconds ago via web)00:29
* seele smacks forehead00:29
nhandlerScottK: I was having fun watching that conversation00:30
* seele really does packup. brb00:30
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* Tonio_ beds...00:33
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jjesse-dell9is intrepid safe to update with the ppa for kde4 enabled?00:35
* ScottK doesn't know of anyone succeeding yet.00:36
ScottKseele had trouble not so long ago.00:36
neversfeldeme too00:37
neversfeldePlasma is not working atm00:39
jjesse-dell9hrmm ok ill wait then :)00:40
cbr_is anybody using the xorg-edgers ppa?00:41
jjesse-dell9silly quick question, but is the vote for the technical board that mark sent out ot ubuntu-devel-announce and ubuntu-devel-discuss only supposed to be for the ubuntu-devel team or everyone?00:43
neversfeldeah another bundle of packages00:45
neversfeldeprobably it is working now00:45
ScottKjjesse-dell9: ubuntu-dev (which is MOTU and core-dev both)00:45
jjesse-dell9ScottK ah thanks, was a bit confused by the email going out to such a big list and who was able to vote00:46
LaserJockit's rather odd that we're only voting for 1 person00:47
LaserJocka year or so ago Mark said he wanted the TB to be ~ 5 people00:47
LaserJockand instead we just get to replace mjg5900:47
neversfeldeyay, Plasma is back00:47
jjesse-dell9LaserJock: i dont understand either00:48
LaserJockneversfelde: after what?00:48
ScottKLaserJock: I think it's great to have an actual vote00:48
LaserJockScottK: I suppose, not a a big one, but I guess it's better than nothing00:49
LaserJock"pick between two"00:49
ScottKFirst time for TB.00:49
neversfeldeLaserJock: latest Update via the experimental repo00:50
LaserJockneversfelde: k, cool, I'll give it a go then00:50
LaserJockneversfelde: must have been python-kde400:50
neversfeldeLaserJock: yes, should be the reason00:51
jjesse-dell9who was working on ufw-kde?  was that rgreening?00:51
LaserJockScottK: that is good, but I think I'd rather have a confirmational vote on 3 new people :-)00:51
LaserJockespecially if there was a community person in the 300:51
seelejjesse-dell9: yeah.. kuser and puthon-kde4 didnt upgrade00:51
jjesse-dell9seele: hrmm so should i wait or should i go?00:52
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: just apt-get update and look to make sure nothing's being held back00:52
seeleLaserJock: is python-kde4 why plasma is crashing?00:53
LaserJockseele: I think it must be00:53
neversfeldepython-kde4 was not updated, because kdepim was missing00:53
LaserJockseele: neversfelde updated that an kusers and now he's got python00:53
* ScottK dinners00:54
neversfeldeit is available now and plasma is working again00:54
LaserJockbah, s/python/plasma/00:54
seeleah cool.. more updates00:55
neversfeldeI love KDE 4.200:55
jjesse-dell9looks like nothing is being held back so away i go00:55
nhandlerGlad to see that that last copy batch worked.01:02
* nhandler really despises the ppa copy system01:02
seeleyaay my kde is back01:05
seelejjesse-dell9: now it seems safe01:05
jjesse-dell9hrmm dropbox can run under kde as long as gdm is being used01:07
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: it doesn't work without gdm?01:10
jjesse-dell9LaserJock: corrrrect01:10
jjesse-dell9LaserJock: none of my files were getting updating until i configured gdm instead of kdm01:11
jjesse-dell9apprantly it needs nautlius01:12
jjesse-dell9dont know for sure01:13
nhandlerjjesse-dell9: I know it modifies the nautilus right click menu01:13
LaserJockbut I wouldn't think gdm = nautilus01:13
nhandlerLaserJock: I'm not sure why it needs gdm01:13
jjesse-dell9me either but now it works01:14
nhandlerTime to see how rc1 works for me01:17
jjesse-dell9rc1 of?01:17
neversfeldeproblems with xinerama are not solved01:17
seelehum.. where is the wlalpaper installed.  it didnt show up01:18
neversfeldetha wallpaper is mhhh01:18
seeleno way.. i like it01:18
neversfeldewe call it "Geschmacksache sagte der Affe" :)01:18
seelewhich means..01:18
neversfeldetaste, says the monkey and bites into the soft soap01:20
neversfeldeyou cannot translat it I think01:20
neversfeldemy father loves this saying and he has birthdy today. 60 years01:22
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: I just tried dropbox here with kdm and it worked01:24
nhandlerWell, kubuntu is running great on my laptop now. I think I'll have to stick with it :)01:25
LaserJocknhandler: I'm getting that feeling as well01:26
jjesse-dell9LaserJock: hrmm somethings is wierd it wouldnt update any files for me01:27
nhandlerjjesse-dell9: What wouldn't?01:27
jjesse-dell9none of my files would update, like i would update a file on my windows box and it wouldnt copy over to my kubuntu box01:28
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: I just tried adding a file on my kubuntu box. I suppose it could be just a one-way problem01:29
jjesse-dell9LaserJock: so you added a file and it is updated now on the dropbox side of things as well?01:30
LaserJockI checked on the web interface01:30
LaserJockI have gdm installed, but it's not running01:31
LaserJockbah, kdebase-workspace is FTBFS on amd64, no wonder I was having problems01:38
jjesse-dell9so whos watching american idol besides me tonight?01:38
nhandlerjjesse-dell9: My brother is01:38
jjesse-dell9my wife is in the hotel room so i am01:38
neversfeldeDeutschland such den Superstar is hard enough01:41
neversfeldemy girlfriend is watching that shit, but I never would01:41
* JontheEchidna realizes he never did reboot01:42
nhandlerNeither did I. I have the little notification telling me to do so01:42
jjesse-dell9i take it deutschland such den superstar is the german version of idol?01:43
neversfeldejjesse-dell9: yes it is01:43
LaserJockpython-kde4-dev: Depends: python-kde4 (< 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1.1~) but it is not going to be installed01:43
neversfeldeand it is as bad as the american version01:43
nhandlerLaserJock: Intrepid?01:44
* nhandler goes to see if it has built01:44
* neversfelde goes to bed01:45
LaserJockit said it built yesterday01:45
neversfelden8 everyone01:45
LaserJockand it looks to me like kdebase-workspace was started after, so I don't get it01:45
vorianLaserJock: it was01:45
LaserJockso why wouldn't it have found it :(01:46
nhandlerIt looks like aside from a few plasmoids, the kde packages for amd64 have built01:47
voriannot so nhandler01:48
jjesse-dell9shouldnt the reboot notifier come up after the process of updating is done01:48
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: heh, that's a good point. if somebody got antsy they could reboot in the middle01:49
JontheEchidnaHmm, everything's cool except kdm is now using plastique01:49
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: ^01:49
voriannhandler: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&start=500&batch=5001:49
jjesse-dell9totally i almost hit it but then switched over to the konsole and noticed the upgrade still going01:49
vorianbuilds of kdeutils, kdeplasma-addons, kdesdk, kdedmin, kdetoys, -workspace, -runtime have yet to be built01:50
vorianfor amd64, that is01:50
nhandlerYeah, I had the wrong filter option ;)01:51
* nhandler liked thinking everything built01:51
jjesse-dell9hrmm ok back01:57
jjesse-dell9whats the name of the default background?  is it air? or something like that?01:57
JontheEchidnaAir, yes01:59
JontheEchidnajjesse-dell9: btw, is kickoff still too small?01:59
* JontheEchidna remembers a bug report you filed about that01:59
jjesse-dell9JontheEchidna: nope its been scaling correct for awhile, didnt i close th report?01:59
* JontheEchidna checks02:00
jjesse-dell9if not, please do02:00
JontheEchidnaok, closing now02:00
LaserJocknhandler: so can you figure out why -workspace didn't build? it looks to me like it should have02:00
vorianLaserJock: it did build, this is a re-build02:01
vorianthere was a flaw with a modified kdm.init script which would have been bad news02:02
nhandlervorian: What was that emerald app for kde you were talking about? choqok and a few other applications have ugly windows that I want to fix02:13
voriankde-style-dekorator \o/02:13
nhandlerWas it backported to intrepid?02:13
vorianer, no02:13
vorianlet me work on that02:13
voriannhandler: it's in the kubuntu-members ppa iirc02:14
* vorian checks02:14
nhandlervorian: For intrepid?02:14
voriannope, nevermind02:14
vorianit's kwin-style-dekorator02:16
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Aside from looking ugly, choqoK runs fine on Intrepid. I put up a copy in my PPA, but it is identical to the jaunty version02:16
ScottKnhandler: It'd been backported once, if it needs updating, please file a backports bug.02:16
nhandlerScottK: What was backported? kwin-style-dekorator?02:17
vorianScottK: no backport exists02:17
ScottKNCommander: choqoK02:17
nhandlerScottK: Where? intrepid-backports?02:17
vorianoh, yeah02:17
vorianthat was done yesterday02:18
nhandlerScottK: Ok, thanks. I really didn't look hard. I'll get the backports version02:18
jjesse-dell9hrmm kontact is crashing everytime i open it up now that ive restarted02:26
JontheEchidnajjesse-dell9: what version is it at?02:26
ScottKvorian: mysql bug or amarok bug: Bug #31695702:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 316957 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.30-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: 子进程 post-installation script 返回了错误号 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31695702:27
* vorian checks02:27
* ScottK notes that vorian is now and forever more the amarok packaging expert.02:27
jjesse-dell9kontact is version 1.302:27
JontheEchidnajjesse-dell9: I sorta meant apt-cache policy kontact :P02:28
jjesse-dell9oh sorry02:28
jjesse-dell9JontheEchidna: 4.1.96-0ubuntu1-intrepid1-ppa202:28
JontheEchidnahmm, and kdepimlibs5?02:29
jjesse-dell9interesting, what is the difference between ppa1 and ppa2?02:30
JontheEchidnakdepim probably had to be uploaded twice02:30
vorianScottK: i would bet $100 smackers that this is due to 5.0 being built already, and 5.1 in the wings - so we have libclientmysql15/16 conflicts that don't actually exist yet02:30
JontheEchidnathat shouldn't be the issue though02:30
JontheEchidnathis makes the crash somewhat puzzling though02:30
ScottKvorian: Mark in the bug then please.02:31
vorianwill do02:31
LaserJockok, I'm still stuck on why -workspace FTBFS02:31
jjesse-dell9i thi9nk the problem is in kmail02:31
* LaserJock feels like he's missing something02:31
torkianoKde4rc1 rocks, thank you guys!02:32
JontheEchidnajjesse-dell9: kmail works here :D02:32
* JontheEchidna away for a bit02:33
jjesse-dell9bummer, just running kmail and it crashes as well02:33
antiquarkHi. RSSNOW and the News plasmoids do not fetch the RSS Feeds in 4.2RC. The same problem existed in 4.2B2 and had been reported.02:33
vorianScottK: amarok will need rebuilding, since it pulls in libmysqlserver15-dev02:35
jjesse-dell9anyone having issues with the weather applet not updating?02:36
antiquarkmaybe because the temperature doesn't change all the time?02:38
jjesse-dell9shows all 002:39
antiquarkworks properly here02:40
antiquarktry changing the location02:41
LaserJockit seems to work her02:41
jjesse-dell9hrmm i think the problem is with noaa? or whatever the us data source is02:43
nhandlerNCommander: I lied earlier about the pbuilder issue. I get a bunch of Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com' messages02:43
antiquarkAnyone else without working RSS plasmoids?02:45
jjesse-dell9every folder but my inbox (gmail over imap) works correctly02:47
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: I'm using NOAA02:48
antiquarkmy gmail over imap works correctly02:48
jjesse-dell9gargh must be me02:49
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: I think you're just special :p02:49
jjesse-dell9probablly should go to be bed then :)02:49
jjesse-dell9thanks LaserJock i think you're special as well02:50
torkianohello, plasma crash when I add comics to comics applet02:50
LaserJocktorkiano: I got that as well02:50
LaserJockantiquark: RSSNOW just sits there with "fetching feeds" is that what you get?02:51
JontheEchidnaapparently the rss engine will only build if kdepimlibs are present, but cmake doesn't say anything at all if they aren't02:53
vorianoh goodness02:53
JontheEchidnayeah :/02:54
vorianJontheEchidna: we have to wait for all of 4.1.4 to build before the rest of amd64 is done02:54
JontheEchidnaholy damn02:54
torkianoJontheEchidna: that affects me too?02:55
JontheEchidnayeah, the rss dataengine isn't being built in our packages02:55
torkianoJontheEchidna: ok, good work anyone (not everything can be perfect ;-))02:57
antiquarkLaserJock: yes that's what I get02:59
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ScottKvorian: Universe isn't frozen, so you can upload it again anytime.04:09
voriani didn't even notice networkanager 0.7 is in the pipes04:10
DaSkreechBeen for a while04:14
vorianno, i mean at this moment, waiting to be built04:14
* vorian is somewhat tiredish04:14
nhandlerThen go to bed vorian, it is 11:15 your time04:16
ScottKHobbsee: Is there any chance you could rescore kdebase-workspace on amd64?  It's kind of holding up the train.04:16
LaserJockanybody around running Jaunty amd64?04:56
nixternalI am04:58
nixternalhaven't upgraded recently with my kubuntu desktop though04:58
LaserJocknixternal: you running it right now?05:01
ScottKnixternal: We want to know why python-kde4 is currently uninstallable.05:01
nixternaldon't have it turned on05:01
LaserJocknixternal: get with it MAN!05:01
ScottKWould you try and install it and see why it says no?05:01
nixternalin jaunty?05:01
* LaserJock gets out the whip05:01
* nixternal fires up kubuntu jaunty amd6405:01
nixternalI love how fast kubuntu jaunty fires up on my x86_64 box05:03
nixternalgotta love that05:03
nixternalumm, I take it I shouldn't be dist-upgrading in jaunty yet, as it wants to remove a bunch of stuff05:04
DaSkreechLike Gnome?05:04
DaSkreechHow's that month of Gnome05:05
nixternalLaserJock: what do you want me to check out?05:05
nixternalScottK: I can't install python-kde4 as it is already installed and is being held back05:05
nixternaldist-upgrade wants to remove a lot of stuff that I don't want being removed right now05:05
LaserJocknixternal: what Scott said05:05
ScottKOK.  Can haz lizt?05:05
nixternalseems like the kde4.2 stuff hasn't all built yet05:05
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)05:06
ScottKnixternal: Do you that python-kde4-dev installed ?05:06
LaserJocknixternal: what does it say when you just do apt-get upgrade python-kde4 ?05:06
nixternalwrong keyboard05:07
ScottKLaserJock: If he tries to install the -dev I think the list of what it wants to remove will be very instructive.05:07
nixternalI just installed python-kde4-dev without any problems05:07
ScottKOK.  Then the what it wants to remove if you upgrad python-kde4?05:08
nixternalpython-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.96) but 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1 is to be installed05:08
nixternaldist-upgrade == kdebase-workspace-bin kdeplasma-addons kubuntu-desktop ---- REMOVED05:10
LaserJockah hah05:10
LaserJockkdebase-runtime is not built05:10
nixternalwell that's not good05:10
LaserJockit's still in the queue05:10
LaserJockso when that gets built then python-kde4 becomes installable and kdebase-workspace will build :-)05:11
ScottKThat's not so bad.05:11
ScottKNCommander: I looked at the armel build failure log for kde4libs.  i saw qreal and flet.  How's your armel box doing now?05:12
LaserJockkdebase-runtime's ETA is 8 hours and kdebase-workspace's is 11 hours05:13
NCommanderIt will be at the point of failure tommorow05:13
ScottKLaserJock: We could ask Hobbsee to rescore them.05:16
LaserJockas long as they get scored together05:16
* ScottK knows exactly how many uploads he did today because he got one armel build failure mail per upload.05:18
Tm_Tbug #31331805:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 313318 in kdebase-workspace "LCD Weather, RSSNOW and News applet don't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31331805:46
DaSkreechooooh new KDM wallpaper06:01
DaSkreechDoes it make sense to make a post about the RC ?06:10
HobbseeScottK: hrm?06:36
ScottKHobbsee: Please?06:36
* ScottK guesses those builds are currently on the critical path for the Alpha release.06:37
HobbseeScottK: what do you care about?  armel?06:38
ScottKHobbsee: amd64.  kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime.06:38
Hobbseeoh, i see.06:39
ScottKWe're currently totally dean on armel due to kde4libs FTBFS that needs someone who actually knows what they are doing to fix (i.e. not me).06:39
Hobbseefair enough06:40
HobbseeNCommander: can't fix it, i take it06:41
* Hobbsee inserts a $, to make the script work better.06:41
ScottKNCommander is having armel hardware problems.06:41
ScottKNo one else working on Kubuntu has any AFAIK.06:42
* Hobbsee scratches head06:42
Hobbseeoh.  I think hte heat is effecting me.06:42
NCommanderScottK, its working fine06:49
NCommanderScottK, I just had an out of date compiler06:49
NCommanderScottK, and I just confirmed the FTBFS :-)06:49
NCommanderNow to cook a fix06:49
ScottKMaybe you should email StevenK first and see if he'd rather do it himself?06:50
NCommanderWait, StevenK already working on this?06:52
Hobbseedefine this?06:54
DaSkreechHobbsee: how hot is it?06:55
NCommanderHobbsee, ARM portability fixes06:55
DaSkreechWhich city?06:55
ScottKNCommander: No.  It was a snarky comment about his comments on your core-dev app.06:55
NCommanderScottK, Steve is perfectly entitled to his opinions.06:56
HobbseeDaSkreech: 38C, give or take?06:56
NCommanderI may not like the, but I'm not going to ignore criticism when I hear it.06:56
DaSkreechHmm only 26 degrees here06:57
ScottKNCommander: Certainly.  I'm just not a big fan of this particular one (usually I tend to agree with him).  All your 'failures' did was burn up a little buildd time.  In the end you succeeded and the alternative was no KDE on armel.06:57
ScottKCertainly learning is good, but that doesn't diminish the value of what you did.06:57
NCommanderWell, the job got done anyway06:57
NCommanderand in a few weeks, the point will be mute; I'll be able to upload to the KDE repos06:58
NCommanderScottK, granted, the sanity KDE took with me I may never recover from, but at least upstream is slowly getting our patches merged06:58
Hobbseeah yes, i've been meaning to reply to that core dev app06:58
* NCommander wonders if Hobbsee is planning to put another torpedo in it06:59
HobbseeNCommander: well, i agree with some of his points.06:59
NCommanderHobbsee, as do I06:59
DaSkreechWhat on earth is vegan fruit ?06:59
NCommanderDaSkreech, fruit not fertelized with animal parts, or droppings07:00
DaSkreechSo it's fertilized without fertilizer ?07:00
NCommanderHobbsee, I agree too, else the email sent to Steve would have me OMG YOUR WRONG, sorta thing.07:00
NCommanderDaSkreech, you can use compost like other planets, but pretty much07:00
DaSkreechIsn't that like what started mad cow disease? :)07:00
HobbseeNCommander: you seem to jump from shiny to shiny, and once you're a core developer, you can implement more things that you're interested in, but there's less of a guarentee that you'll keep doing them.07:01
Hobbseeand I see your arguments, in terms of helping others out07:01
Hobbseebut it's the projects that you might lead yourself that's concerning07:01
ScottKDaSkreech: No that was having cows eat dead cow parts.07:01
NCommanderScottK, that's where mad cow came from (or well, cows eating sheep)07:02
DaSkreechYeah well vegan fruit is having plants eat dead plants07:02
Hobbseealthough, presumably, as you're contracted to work for canonical now, you will have to spend the time consistently on the areas that you're involved in.07:02
Hobbseeso perhaps it's less risky now.07:02
* NCommander swears07:02
NCommanderHow'd that slip out into the community?07:02
* Hobbsee raises an eyebrow07:02
Hobbseeif you're giving activity reports in public meetings, what do you expect to happen?07:03
NCommanderWho's awake at 8am EST :-P07:03
Hobbseecommunity members don't just give activity reports, unless they either work at canonical, or are contracted.  duh.07:03
NCommanderHobbsee, -_-;, I was trying not to say anything07:03
NCommandercontracted to work for canonical now - I'm not contracted anyway; I'm employeed07:04
NCommanderHobbsee, mostly because thats the point, people treat you differently when you work for the powers that be.07:05
NCommanderIts subtle, but the difference does exist.07:05
HobbseeNCommander: understandable.  It makes a difference on your core dev app though07:05
NCommanderHobbsee, as a general rule of thumb, I want to get by on merits, and talents, not because i get a paycheck07:05
NCommanderThere is a reason my @canonical.com email isn't on LP, or been used on any public list.07:06
HobbseeNCommander: well, I can't really see the point of officially replying to it.  If you're a part of the evil empire, you'll need the powers, and you're probably technically good enough to get them.  If you screw up a cd build or something, then they'll have your mobiel number to call you up and yell at you, and tell you to fix it by a particular time, so it's probably safe for you to get core dev ;)07:09
NCommanderHobbsee, nah, they'll just pay to send Steve to my apartment07:09
Hobbseefrom australia?  unlikely.07:10
ScottKnixternal lives closer and since he's from Chicago, he probably has a side business 'straightening people out'.07:10
NCommanderScottK, nixternal doesn't work for Canonical unless I missed a memo07:11
NCommanderOr at least as far as I know doesn't work07:11
ScottKRight.  To straighten someone out you usually use an outside contactor.07:11
ScottKPlausible deniability and all that.07:11
NCommanderScottK, eh, there enough people who hate me that it would be possible to find someone to do it pro bono07:12
ScottKOr take up a collection.07:12
DaSkreechno no I think that pro bono is fine for me07:16
DaSkreechI'll take that collection though07:16
* ScottK needs to get to bed.07:17
ScottKGood night all.07:17
ScottKHobbsee: Thanks for the rescores.07:17
HobbseeScottK: y/w07:18
RiddellI wonder if something interesting will be announced today07:57
DaSkreechToo late07:57
Riddellyeah well let's not talk about the bad people who can't wait07:58
Riddellthere it is08:00
Riddellhttp://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt     Qt LGPL'ed08:00
Riddell~twitter update Qt to be LGPL!08:08
kubotustatus updated08:08
DaSkreechIs MSN working In the RC packages?08:12
DaSkreechis there a time line for it to work?08:15
DaSkreechCh1ppy says the notes specifically said  that MSN doesn't work for jaunty08:15
DaSkreechkmail crashes on mail check for me08:16
RiddellI'll just promote libmsn after the alpha, they've had long enough to review08:16
DaSkreech*** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)08:16
Ch1ppyHey, it seems that kopete was compiled without MSN support in the RC, but this isn't reflected in the release announcement. One or the other should be fixed...08:19
Ch1ppyIt's extremely irritating for me because I explicitly looked for it and upgraded on seeing nothing about it, but now there's no way back08:20
RiddellCh1ppy: it's alpha software, we'll get it working today or tomorrow08:21
Ch1ppyRiddell: Alpha software? It's an RC??08:21
RiddellJaunty Alpha 3 out tomorrow08:21
Ch1ppyoh, sorry08:21
Ch1ppyIn Intrepid08:21
roccolordkmail crashes on startup on 8.10 with 4.2rc packages, worked fine in beta208:23
roccolord3 different imap accounts, akonodi 1.1008:23
DaSkreechroccolord: What error message from console?08:23
Ch1ppyRiddell: The release announcement does say that MSN support isn't in Jaunty though; if I were running that I would have abstained for that reason08:23
roccolord** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)08:24
roccolordKCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing...08:24
DaSkreechSame here08:24
Tonio_Riddell: reuploaded policykit-kde, libpackagekit and kpackagekit08:25
Tonio_Riddell: they all are in NEW (I know we-re frozen...)08:25
Tonio_Riddell: and this time I took up the time to do things correctly.... sorry for yesterday, but my concentration was really bad :)08:26
roccolordneponuk crashes on startup08:29
roccolord  477.847643] nepomukservices[6427]: segfault at 4 ip b7db07e2 sp bf9bc7a0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7d5d000+225000]08:29
Tonio_mbiebl: hey ! long time no see :)08:29
Tonio_mbiebl: have you tried playing with the network-manager plasmoid for kde4 ?08:29
DaSkreechHmm i've never gotten nepomuk or strigi to work08:29
mbieblTonio_: hi08:29
mbieblTonio_: no, I'm still using KDE 308:30
* mbiebl waiting for getting lenny released08:30
Tonio_mbiebl: oki... I wanted to get some bugs confirmed somehow :)08:30
Tonio_hi Lure08:34
Tonio_Lure: any plans to work on k3b ? I'm currently praparing the kde4 version a testing package...08:34
Lurehi Tonio_08:34
LureTonio_: not until from-SVN works for me08:35
LureTonio_: currently is pretty useless08:35
Tonio_true that :)08:35
Tonio_It's beeing reported to work for most people.... and preparing the package is nevertheless a waste of time :)08:36
LureTonio_: it looks to me that something is wrong with K3Process (execution of external commands)08:36
Lureso it might not be much to make it work08:37
Lurebut I do not have time to look into it until end-Jan, as I want to work on some feature for KIPI-Plugins first08:37
LureTonio_: but I am availble for testing you packages ;-)08:37
Tonio_Lure: yep I'll let you the work on kipi-plugins :)08:38
Tonio_Lure: digikam is to be concerned for packaging too :)08:38
Tonio_Lure: I'll ping allee on that point08:38
LureTonio_: I work on KDE-svn, and updating digikam/kipi-plugins is not an issue08:38
Lureeven less as it is in universe ;-)08:38
Lureso I can upload alone08:38
Luredigikam is already in08:38
Luremerged with debian/experimental08:39
LureRC is planned for en of month and I will update it08:39
Tonio_hum nice :)08:39
* Tonio_ will have to consider a kubufox package too...08:39
DaSkreechWE have that?08:39
DaSkreechMake it suggested :-D08:40
Tonio_DaSkreech: that's something I want to make, with oxygen theme packaged and so on08:40
Tonio_DaSkreech: I already have a prototype that pretty much works :)08:41
DaSkreechNeat :)08:44
DaSkreechSubmit it to the firefox-qt project08:45
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knusperfroschwhat's going wrong here? http://imagebin.org:80/3575309:17
knusperfroschadept lost it's icons too, it uses the computer-icon too in systray09:18
jussi01can anyone give me an update on where the RC! intrepid amd64 packagezs are at? dont want to kill things yet09:19
Tonio_do other people here have issues with mysql-server 5.1 preinst script ?09:32
doc__hi there10:14
knusperfroschapachelogger: anything i have to care about before switching to kde-nightly?10:37
mok0Ydrk I just installed intrepid KDE-4.2 from the ppa and now I don't have a window manager anymore11:16
mok0Any suggestions?11:17
mok0I don't have a choise of "KDE" on the login screen11:17
NightroseError processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdewallpapers_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_all.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/wallpapers/Golden_Ripples/metadata.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-wallpapers.11:23
Nightroseapachelogger: JontheEchidna ^11:23
Tm_Tthere's more11:24
Tm_Tlibmsn is missing, roight?11:24
nhandlervorian: kdenetwork is fixed12:06
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?12:16
Tonio_apachelogger: partitionmanager beta1 is out12:18
Tonio_apachelogger: want me to update your experimental package and submit it to review ?12:19
RiddellTonio_: hi12:23
Tonio_Riddell: I fixed all the 3 packages, they must be okay now.... sorry for yesterday.... that was a bad day :)12:25
Tonio_Riddell: is the thing I'm supposed to understand today public yet ? :)12:25
Tonio_Riddell: and also, I've been testing k3b 2 and got pretty goot results.... packaging on the way12:26
torkianoTonio_: I updated your page about a kubuntu VoIP solution, there are interesting changes ;-)12:30
roccolordCould someone with access update http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1, and state that msn in kopete isn't supported on 8.10 either, if that is intended.12:31
Tonio_torkiano: will have a look :)12:32
torkianoalso, i've submited an idea to ubuntu brainstorm to improve VoIP in kubuntu. Anyone interested: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17266/12:35
roccolordsorry I see that this is fixed now, msn is working proper again12:35
RiddellTonio_: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt12:35
Tm_TRiddell: hmm, I'm sending a mail to our bdfl about few things, something I should keep in mind?12:36
RiddellTm_T: to Mark?  what are you saying?12:38
torkianoRiddell: Wow, there isn't excuses to utilize GTK now XD12:38
Riddellcertainly not12:39
torkianoI like this: "Qt source code repositories will be made publicly available and will encourage contributions from desktop and embedded developer communities"12:39
Tm_TRiddell: about summers Assembly event, inviting him to join us there (he wanted to be there so...) also one personal thing12:39
Tm_TRiddell: hmm, something I should say about our team too?12:40
apacheloggerTonio_: sure12:40
torkianoAnd why LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3?12:41
Tm_TRiddell: oh and also about Linux in schools issues12:41
RiddellTm_T: tell him nice quote on the Nokia press release :)12:41
Riddelltorkiano: to be compatible with GPL 212:41
Tm_TRiddell: heh, will do12:41
torkianobut Qt is under GPL3, isn't it?12:42
Tm_Tnow reboot to updated KDE ->12:42
roccolordWould it possible to rebuild kmail with http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=908525, to stop imap crasher, looks to be backported 4.2 after freeze.12:42
Riddelltorkiano: 2 and 312:42
mok0Just hosed my system trying to install 4.212:42
apacheloggerworked like a charm here12:43
mok0apachelogger: on intrepid?12:44
mok0I'm back on 4.1 -- after a terrible ordeal -- it'll be a while before I attempt THAT again12:46
torkianoRiddell: you are true. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility12:47
nixternalhttp://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2009/01/14/qt-lgpl - ouch12:47
apacheloggermok0: jaunty12:49
mok0apachelogger: ah12:49
Riddellnixternal: ouch?12:49
mok0apachelogger: I'm not brave enough to upgrade my production system to jauty12:49
* Riddell wonders if nixternal reads planet gnome first thing in the morning12:50
nixternalRiddell: all the comments12:50
nixternalit is in my google reader12:50
nixternali read that every morning for about 20 minutes before I leave for work12:50
Riddellnixternal: comments seem good12:51
nixternalfor Qt :)12:51
nixternalqt is teh winnah...at work we have a java based client for our grid, and it was the ugliest thing ever...jambi fixed that up12:52
* nixternal gets ready to leave...have a nice day everyone!12:52
nhandlerHey vorian12:54
apacheloggertake a look at Qt's keymapping stuff12:56
Tm_Tnixternal: interesting this is: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-list/2008-July/msg00027.html13:01
* apachelogger certainly flames KDE13:02
Tm_Tactually that's what I have been through, GNOME/GTK people keep spreading FUD and refuse to find out facts13:04
apacheloggerTm_T: lets do the same13:09
apacheloggerGNOME stopped development when Qt got dual licensing :P13:09
RiddellTonio_: I'm rejecting kpackagekit and libpackagekit-qt, but you have to promise not to be over appologetic!13:11
RiddellTonio_: just needs the COPYING file added13:12
Tm_Tapachelogger: I rather not13:15
apacheloggerTm_T: mom, you are no fun :P13:16
Tm_TI know13:16
Tm_Tbut I'm so old!13:16
Tm_Teven my CV says I'm 113 years old13:16
RiddellDepends: python-qt4, python-kde4 (<< 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1.1~)    huh?13:30
Tm_Twhat is our status of libmsn in ibex?13:31
JontheEchidnavorian: I threw network up for a rebuild because we forgot to re-add libmsn support when we backported13:31
JontheEchidnaTm_T: ^13:31
vorianJontheEchidna: ahhh13:31
Tm_TJontheEchidna: ah thanks13:31
Tm_TJontheEchidna: we had a flood of questions in #kubuntu because of that =)13:32
Tm_TJontheEchidna: we have newest hottest svn libmsn?13:32
JontheEchidnayeah yeah.... :P13:32
Tm_Twell, then it might break13:32
Tm_Twell, it doesn't handle url forwards properly13:33
Tm_Tso if MSN servers does it again, it's broken13:33
Tm_Tas recently happened13:33
vorianJontheEchidna: thanks13:33
* vorian runs away for a few hours13:33
Tm_TJontheEchidna: uno momento...13:34
Riddelllibmsn beta 3 was ment to be out yesterday13:34
Tonio_Riddell: and you are calling perfectionist :)13:34
Tonio_calling "me" :)13:35
Tm_TRiddell: hmm, _salem haven't mentioned, I'll ask13:35
Tonio_Riddell: I'll get that fixed upstream and will repackage then :)13:36
Tonio_Riddell: we have time to get those in the archives...13:36
ScottKRiddell: I don't have amd64 here, so I can't check it, but I think we may have somehow got a circular build-dep between kde4bindings and kdebase-workspace.13:37
apacheloggerbindings builds just fine13:38
RiddellTonio_: upstream already have a COPYING file but the tars are only part of the repository so you need to make tars with the COPYING file in them13:38
ScottKErr. not build-dep, but depends.13:38
JontheEchidnaTm_T: by the looks of it nhandler copied over a kdenetwork that has msn support a few hours ago13:38
apacheloggerScottK: I don't see any in the bzr diff13:38
Tonio_Riddell: got it13:38
ScottKapachelogger: But then it wants to install something from workspace that isn't built yet.13:39
Tonio_Riddell: would you recommend to just patch or rebuild the tarballs ?13:39
Tm_TJontheEchidna: hmm, libmsn release tonight13:39
apacheloggerScottK: wouldn't it whine about that?13:39
ScottKWhich is why python-kde4 isn't installable.13:39
Riddellapt-get build-dep kdebase-workspace  works fine in my AMD64 chroot13:39
RiddellTm_T: rebuild then tars13:39
Tonio_Riddell: I'd say rebuilding, but as the policy is very flexible on that point...13:39
ScottKRiddell: Can you install python-kde4 there?13:39
JontheEchidnaTm_T: probably going to need to update that then rebuild kdenetwork13:39
RiddellScottK: yes and python-kde4-dev13:39
Tm_TJontheEchidna: indeed13:39
ScottKOK.  It's officially weird then.13:40
apacheloggermaybe the buildds are broken :P13:40
ScottKLast night nixternal couldn't install it.  Maybe something fixed in the meantime.13:40
ScottKapachelogger: We know they're broken, they're part of Launchpad.13:40
apacheloggerpoor launchpad always gets a beating13:41
apacheloggerScottK: I think it was a publishing problem13:41
apacheloggerpykde4 is arch any and -dev is arch all IIRC13:42
RiddellI'm doing a rebuild of kdebase-workspace on amd64 for luck13:42
Tm_TRiddell: so we are still without bluetooth in KDE, roight?13:43
apacheloggerif someone feels like uploading && testing: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu13:43
ScottKapachelogger: That's correct.13:43
* apachelogger is in a meeting right now13:43
RiddellTm_T: best try asking in #kdebluetooth13:45
vorianScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104835/ That is in my clean pbuilder13:45
Tm_TRiddell: ooh, there's that kind of channel too, thanks13:45
* vorian is waiting too13:45
Tm_TJontheEchidna: did you push fixed Qt to intrepid or somewhere?13:47
JontheEchidnanope, got distracted13:48
Tm_TJontheEchidna: np, just wondering13:48
Riddellwhat needed fixed?13:48
Tm_TRiddell: patch added from qt-copy13:48
JontheEchidnaRiddell: clearFocus crash patch13:48
Tm_TRiddell: already in jaunty13:48
JontheEchidna0260 by qt-copy numbering13:48
Tm_Tso it's about backporting I guess13:49
JontheEchidname doesn't have time to do it right now13:52
* JontheEchidna doesn't have time to do it right now13:52
Tonio_torkiano: is kcall for kde4 correctly maintained ?13:56
Tonio_no news or announcement on the website since 2008/07...13:56
* ScottK relaxes and enjoys the complaints on #amarok about Fedora needing to update their packages ....13:59
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, we beat suse to 4.1.96 too ^_^14:01
* ScottK also wonders how NCommander is doing on kde4libs qreal fixoring.14:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: Not yet on amd64.14:01
apacheloggerand who's fault is that?14:02
apacheloggerright, launchpads :P14:02
JontheEchidnaclosed-source soyuz's, to be specific14:02
apacheloggerclosed-source python soyuz's :P14:04
apacheloggerthat said14:04
apacheloggersomeone take kubuntu-dev-tools for a test ride14:04
* apachelogger did theoretical changes again14:04
JontheEchidnait's one component they're not gonna open source when LP goes open source14:04
ScottKJontheEchidna: Which means it's not actually going open source.14:04
* ScottK does wonder if it's for business reasons or to avoid embarassment.14:05
apacheloggerwell, if you find a good enough chain of security leaks you can easy enough poision the whole ubuntu archive I guess14:05
apacheloggerany other reason than that would be embarassing itself :P14:06
ScottKIt's built off of the Debian tools which seem to go OK (except once) in that regard.14:06
apacheloggerdebian's it not connected to the rest of launchpad though ;-)14:07
ScottKWell soyuz isn't particularly.  The integration bits (bugs closed in changelog for example) Debian typically has too.14:08
JontheEchidnaI"m getting kdesdk updates from an intrepid ppa on my jaunty mahcine14:08
apacheloggerhaha, openoffice just killed the lead marketing dude's laptopb14:09
apachelogger<3 work meetings14:09
roccolordplease rebuild kmail with http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=908525 fix, as it doesn't work well with certain imap folder14:09
apacheloggerplease repot a bug, as we don't have builtin bug tracking systems. thank you.14:10
* Riddell retries kdesdk on jaunty14:10
apacheloggerRiddell: I guess it also failed due to pykde?14:10
JontheEchidnaah, that's probably why, kdesdk ftbfs14:10
Riddellapachelogger: no, mysql14:10
apacheloggerhow does sdk relate to mysql?14:11
Riddelllibsvn brings in something which brings in libmysqlclient-dev14:11
Riddellwhich should be 5.0 but got overwritten by mysql 5.1 when it shouldn't have14:11
apacheloggermysql is everywhere it seems14:11
Riddellcertainly is14:11
ScottKThis concerns me.14:12
* ScottK is not a super duper database expert.14:12
roccolordapachelogger: where should bugs agains 4.2rc packages for intrepid be reported?14:12
Tm_TmySQL isn't that good anymore, since Monty isn't leading14:12
* ScottK has been involved in projects with people who had a REALLY deep understanding of RDBMS stuff.14:12
ScottKThey always picked postgresql over mysql.14:13
* ScottK hopes it all works out.14:13
Tm_TScottK: indeed14:13
apacheloggerroccolord: there is a project for it ... but you can report it against the regular package, since it is an upstream issue and thus applies to both intrepid and jaunty anyway14:13
Sputpostgres scales much better14:13
roccolordapachelogger: OK thanks.14:13
Tm_Tyay! we are smarter now!14:14
* Tm_T hides14:14
Riddellpostgres presumably isn't as easy to use embedded in the way that apps now need it14:14
jussi01Tm_T: hows qt 4.5 coming on?14:14
Tm_Tjussi01: no luck here, I ran out of skills and time with it14:15
Riddelldebian updated packaging for 4.514:15
jussi01Tm_T: did you pass it on to someone? is anyone working on it?14:15
Tm_TRiddell: have to look that, thanks14:15
Tm_Tjussi01: apachelogger (:14:15
Riddellin svn.debian.org somewhere14:15
Riddelljussi01: Qt is feeling more permissive today :)14:15
* apachelogger needs to shoot himself14:15
Tm_TRiddell: aye, have to look at how they do it14:15
* Riddell takes apachelogger's gun away14:16
* apachelogger has to do UNO coding for the rest of the month14:16
jussi01Riddell: :)14:16
* ScottK has an extra deck of Uno cards around here somewhere.14:16
apacheloggernot that kind of uno14:16
ScottKHarry Potter theme I think.14:16
* jussi01 is happy then... sooner we get qt 4.5, the sooner we get konq + webkit + flash14:16
apacheloggerthe ooo uno14:16
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Tm_Tjussi01: indeed14:16
Tm_TRiddell: =)14:17
ScottKapachelogger: I know, but misunderstanding is more fun.14:17
apacheloggernothing about uno is fun14:17
* smarter has more troubles than ever with his connection14:17
* smarter is interested in qt 4.5 :]14:17
apacheloggersmarter: is it running uno?14:17
Tm_Tsmarter: so am I14:18
apacheloggercorba is more fun than uno14:18
apacheloggerand it is documented14:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, nhandler: please rebuild $plasmoids if possible14:28
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: ScottK and vorian did so last night14:30
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: They're all done.  We just need to wait for NCommander to fix armel so we can retry every stinking one of them.14:32
Riddell"sebas-kde extended their membership"  yay sebas still loves us14:32
sebasOf course I do :)14:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: intrepid14:32
sebasRiddell: thanks for the Dot post btw14:33
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: we've done all the ones in the ppa14:33
JontheEchidnarsibreak, quickaccess14:33
* apachelogger hands cookies to Riddell and sebas14:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ok, just read a bug report about ABI borkage crash14:33
apacheloggernot that I care though :P14:33
JontheEchidnathe ones from the intrepid main repos should be removed since they need libplasma214:33
JontheEchidna*intrepid universe,14:34
JontheEchidnain a proper upgrade libplasma2 is removed14:34
apacheloggerkmail crash14:35
smarteroh my, you get offline 6 hours and next thing you know, qt goes lgpl14:36
Tm_Tapachelogger: I'm getting tomorrow this kind of wintercoat: http://www.varusteleka.eu/prebeo/pictures/2534.jpg14:39
ScottKSo I'm testing a quassel package that all you have to do is connect to freenode (pre-loaded - just click connect) and you land in #kubuntu.14:39
ScottKSput: ^^^ - You can put a check in the box by that one.14:39
jussi01ScottK: super!14:39
apacheloggerTm_T: doesn't look very lady-like14:41
Tm_Tapachelogger: either do I, son14:41
apacheloggertrue, mom14:42
* Tm_T is old sportslady from DDR14:42
Tm_Tmoustache and all14:42
ScottKSput: Do you have a sense for if you are going to do any more client <-> core protocol incompatible changes before 0.4 release?14:55
SputI'll relay that question14:55
Tm_TSput: Quassel, right?14:56
ScottKSput: Thanks.14:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we are being redundant :P14:57
JontheEchidnawe are?14:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also commented on the kstart bug14:57
SputTm_T: yeah14:57
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: quick bug resolution ftw14:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: stop that14:59
* apachelogger just commented on the kgamma bug14:59
Tm_Tstop what?14:59
apacheloggerluckily konqueror ate it14:59
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I commented on that like an hour ago o.O14:59
JontheEchidnabtw, amarok 2.0 got kubuntu-bugs down to 1587 bugs14:59
=== devfil__ is now known as devfil
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I have reduced time experience15:00
* apachelogger is high on caffaine and listening to loads of marketing analysis15:00
JontheEchidnathat Gerald dude is weird15:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just commented15:04
ScottKyesterday's quassel snapshot uploaded to Jaunty and my ppa for Intrepid.15:05
ScottKSput: ^^15:06
* JontheEchidna is wondering what abi-incompatible plasmoids there are for intrepid15:06
SputScottK: cooool, thx :)15:06
ScottKJontheEchidna: At a guess, all of them.15:06
ScottKAt least without a rebuild.15:06
JontheEchidnaScottK: we rebuilt the libplasma3-compatible ones we offer in the ppa15:06
JontheEchidnaall others should be libplasma2 ones that are removed upon upgrading to libplasma315:07
ScottKBut I don't think we did them all.15:07
ScottKSome of the libplamsa2 ones could be updated15:07
ScottKKDE commit 9109815:07
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: they enabled the super-busted knetworkconf kcm module :/15:08
* ScottK thought we had a bot that knew those.15:08
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: complete with crystalsvg icon fail15:08
apacheloggerwe are there again15:08
apacheloggerthere is stuff I don't care about15:08
apacheloggerand there is stuff I didn't know I could not care about15:08
apacheloggerclearly the latter again15:09
apacheloggerwhy the kdenetwork maintainer even lets knetworkconf getting released isn't clear to me15:10
apacheloggerlike not at all15:10
JontheEchidnaiirc, the bug report about the epic fail hasn't even been touched15:12
smarterpeople are actually maintaining kdenetwork? :P15:12
* apachelogger pokes smarter in the eye15:13
apacheloggerkrdc is a decent app again15:13
apacheloggerkopete is also getting there15:13
smarteroh right15:13
smarterit rocks15:13
smarterthey both rocks actually15:13
smarter*rock even15:13
ubottuKDE bug 163578 in general "KDE 4 1 knetworkconf gives "Could not parse the XML file" error" [Normal,New]15:14
smarterwe should probably disable it in systemsettings15:14
JontheEchidnait was disabled before due to a bug in the .desktop file15:15
apacheloggerhow about dropping the package?15:15
smarteralso, something I was thinking about earlier, couldn't we integrate our various config apps into systemsettings?15:15
JontheEchidnathere might be enough info in the KDE bug to actually fix it15:15
apacheloggernot worth15:15
apacheloggerfixing the xml is pretty easy actually15:16
apacheloggerbut then starts the real fun, because the actual scripts are as broken15:16
apacheloggerin both cases it's wrong parsing of $something IIRC15:16
smarterat least jockey, and the printer applet config15:16
apacheloggersmarter: JontheEchidna is working on jockey15:17
JontheEchidnasmarter: both are being worked on15:17
ScottKsmarter: I think all it takes is someone to do the work.15:17
smarterthey're hard to find with the kickoff menu imho15:17
apacheloggertalking about work15:17
apacheloggercan we please do a bug triage weekend or something?15:17
* apachelogger thinks about closing bugs he can't understand15:18
apacheloggeroh funnies15:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: it appears knetworkconf gets dragged in on jaunty15:20
apacheloggerno clue by what though15:20
JontheEchidnaReverse Depends:15:20
JontheEchidna  ichthux-desktop15:20
JontheEchidna  kdeadmin15:20
* JontheEchidna is really puzzled now15:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: maybe it somehow was added to the CD seed15:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: more redundency15:22
JontheEchidnathough the samba authentication works for me (tm)15:23
JontheEchidnaSystem Settings -> Sharing15:23
JontheEchidnatrying to find that is how I stumbled upon knetworkconf15:23
* apachelogger also thinks about shooting everyone who subscribes ubuntu-core-dev to a bug15:24
JontheEchidnalmao @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/259181/comments/1315:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 259181 in kdebase-workspace "KDM background image not displayed correctly on low resolution display" [Low,Triaged]15:25
* JontheEchidna away for a bit15:27
delicowai already own a launchpad account.thats cos i wanna start helping out with kde.....how do i get assigned to tasks15:31
apacheloggerdelicowa: by signing up to them ;-)15:32
apacheloggerdelicowa: also, what kind of tasks?15:32
delicowabug fixing documentations and stuffs15:33
apachelogger"stuffs" is not very precise ;-)15:35
apacheloggeranyway, gotta go, or I'll miss the train15:35
delicowafound what i was looking for wiki.ubuntu.com15:37
ScottK4.1.4 is now fully built on i386.  After the next publisher run it ought to be fully installable.15:50
ScottKamd64 has a long ways to go.  I just retried all the archive skew induced FTBFS.15:50
Riddellkdebase-workspace built in jaunty on amd64, yay15:54
ScottKRiddell: Any idea why it didn't build before?  soyuz insanity?15:56
Riddellbecause kdebase-runtime hadn't built on amd64 yet, soyuz could really do with being more intelligent about that15:57
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ScottKrgreening: How's kvirc going?16:06
ScottKseele: Updated quassel in Jaunty or my PPA for Intrepid has their provide a default channel (#kubuntu) implementation in it.  Might be worth a U/I review since that's one of the major things we wanted.16:07
* ScottK looks at Debian Bug #511169 and considers apachelogger should send a patch ....16:13
ubottuDebian bug 511169 in quassel "quassel: SSL support is missing for the core" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/51116916:13
LaserJockScottK: so is quassel now got a monolithic package around?16:15
ScottKLaserJock: Yes.  quassel is the monolithic one.16:16
ScottKThere is also quassel-client and quassel-core.16:16
LaserJockok, I think I installed -client and -core16:16
ScottKThat will behave slightly differently (not look integrated).16:17
LaserJockI couldn't figure it out16:17
ScottKIf we go with quassel as the default IRC client, only quassel will be in Main/on the CD.16:18
ScottKSo it should sort itself.16:18
ScottKmostly ...16:18
LaserJockwell the short descriptions are all the same, it was hard to tell what was what16:19
ScottKThey aren't any more.16:19
LaserJocki assumed quassel was just a metapackage to get the client/server pulled in16:19
* ScottK fixed them up a bit on the upload over the weekend.16:19
seeleScottK: how is the default channel configured? config file? or did they have to add a script?16:19
ScottKseele: Config file that I patched for us.16:20
seeleok cool16:20
ScottKUpstream pulled all the nepomuk stuff out of bindings: http://pastebin.com/f63a4dcb216:27
rgreeningScottK: hopefully wil get a chance to post today/tomorrow. Bogged with $WORK atm16:29
ScottKrgreening: Great.  No rush.16:29
* ScottK decides to try
* ScottK decided to wait another publisher run ....16:37
EagleScreenLCD Weather Station plasmoid cause Plasma to crash16:38
EagleScreenin 4.1.9516:38
JontheEchidnayeah, it's a Qt bug that needs patched16:40
apacheloggerstupid Qt!16:40
EagleScreeni have a workaround to use it without crashing16:40
EagleScreenyou set it on Plasma desktop, you configure it, then, woithout pass the mouse over the gidwet, Lock Widgets16:41
EagleScreenafter that you can unlock widgets and move or resize LCD gidget woithout crasing16:42
JontheEchidnathen that's definitely the Qt focus crash16:42
nixternalPLEASE NO MORE SNOW!!!16:43
* JontheEchidna gets off his ass and prepares an SRU16:43
seelenixternal: you win. hehe16:44
nixternalwe have around 2 feet right now on the ground and it is still falling16:44
nixternaltomorrows high == -2c, low == -20c, windchill is supposed to be anywhere from -36c to -50c with blizzard conditions starting tonight16:45
nixternalmy ears hurt, my head hurts...I hurt16:45
seelenixternal: and you still dont want to move to DC?16:45
nixternalI am thinking Cuba16:45
Tm_Tnixternal: that's winter, nothing more16:45
EagleScreenisn there any repository with Kpackagekit to install it in Kubuntu?16:46
vorianScottK: the way mysql 5.1 was built will render amarok useless16:55
ScottKvorian: We need to fix it then.  Let's talk to zul and mathiaz in #ubuntu-server.16:56
LaserJockvorian: ? this mysql/amarok thing is a real mess16:56
vorianLaserJock: yep16:56
vorianScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104894/16:57
vorianthe problem is they are not building the two binaries from 5.1 that amarok needs16:58
vorianScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104892/ something is missing ...17:05
Riddellvorian: amarok shouldn't need binaries I thought17:05
vorianthe libraries17:06
Riddellsurely the .a file is in libmysqlclient16-dev17:09
vorianRiddell: i'm going over the mysql source now17:09
ScottKShould be.17:09
ScottKvorian: debc $BINARYCHANGESFILE.changes is a good, quick way to see what's installed where.17:10
=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve
ScottK4.1.4 kdepim binaries did land on archive.ubuntu.com after the last publisher run (it was the last package built), so off I go to
* vorian tries sommiet else17:15
vorianthe libriaries we need are in libmysqlclient-dev - which is not built at present with 5.117:21
* vorian wonders if if building libmysqlclient5.1-dev would be an option17:22
Riddellvorian: libmysqlclient-dev was only ever a dunno package in 5.1, if they're not in  libmysqlclient16-dev they can be put there easily enough17:22
vorianok Riddell :)17:23
smartersommiet? :p17:23
voriansmarter: something17:23
ScottK175 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. Need to get 410MB of archives. <--
LaserJock30 not upgraded?17:29
RiddellI do wish it would hurry up and compile on amd6417:30
* apachelogger wishes for more love17:31
* DaSkreech loves apachelogger17:32
* apachelogger hugs DaSkreech and hands him a cookie17:37
* DaSkreech nomnomnomnoms17:38
* apachelogger also hands poor JontheEchidna a cookie17:38
jussi01!helpersnack | apachelogger17:38
ubottuapachelogger: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!17:38
* apachelogger is primarily freezing17:39
jussi01apachelogger: do you not have heating?17:39
DaSkreechapachelogger is Hawt all by himself ask his groupies17:40
apacheloggertoday I am primarily freezing and grumpy17:41
apacheloggermostly due to bug 8959117:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 89591 in amarok "Please package Amarok Rio Karma support (--with-libkarma)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8959117:41
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger and gives him a cookie17:44
Nightrosegood reply17:44
* apachelogger munches le cookie17:45
DaSkreechHa ha KDE as a cover mocel17:45
apacheloggerit does?17:45
DaSkreechHow'd you like to pose apachelogger? :)17:46
apacheloggercertainly could do that17:48
* ScottK reboots.17:48
* claydoh gives apachelogger a dozen cookies and a nice beverage of his choice for that reply17:49
NCommanderapachelogger, ScottK, Riddell: ENEEDSPONSOR17:49
apachelogger~order tea, earl grey, hot17:49
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger.17:49
* apachelogger hugs claydoh and NCommander17:49
* claydoh gives everyone else a dozen cookies, but no drink :)17:49
apacheloggerNCommander: but why?17:49
NCommanderapachelogger, I got kde4libs on ARM17:49
NCommanderNeed sponsor17:49
ScottKNCommander: Just rebooting into 4.1.4.  If no one else gets it and this works, I'll do it.17:50
apacheloggerare we in hard or soft freeze?17:50
NCommanderPatch kubuntu_01_no_translate_pc_dir.diff does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)17:50
NCommanderOh, right freeze17:50
NCommanderWho broke the build's clean rules17:50
* apachelogger points at someone17:50
NCommanderBugger ...17:52
NCommanderClean rule is *really* broken17:52
RiddellNCommander: that'll be the add translation domain to .desktop files issue17:53
NCommanderYeah, but it doesn't unapply cleanly17:53
Riddellit tries to unpatch before doing the necessary cleaning, I havn't worked out how to fix that17:53
NCommanderSo, ignore it?17:54
Riddellsh /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/findfiles LIST;  for file in `cat LIST`; do sed -i '/X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=/d' ${file}; done17:54
RiddellNCommander: that should fix it ^^17:54
NCommanderRiddell, please just commit that fix to the SVN repo :-)?17:54
NCommanderer BZR17:54
NCommanderI'm out of it17:54
RiddellNCommander: what fix?  it has to be run by hand17:55
Riddellthat what kde4.mk runs, it just runs it at the wrong time17:55
Riddellor it does the patch removal at the wrong time17:55
apacheloggerRiddell: whom do we have to vote for TB position?18:00
DaSkreechAnyone uses yakuake?18:02
* apachelogger is getting annoyed by it :P18:02
ScottKRiddell: How do you feel about a freeze exception for kde4libs?18:02
ScottKapachelogger: Kees or cjwatson.18:02
apacheloggerwell, whom of the two :P18:02
apacheloggerScottK: that wouldn't make much sense, would it?18:02
* ScottK is back on
apacheloggerScottK: libs without the other stuff doesn't have any advantage18:03
RiddellScottK: what's the rationale?  so NCommander can get on with fixing more ARM stuff?18:03
ScottKRiddell: Yes.18:03
ScottKapachelogger: No way to know what else is broken until we get that done.18:03
apacheloggerScottK: sure, but we can as well do that on friday18:03
ScottKOTOH, we aren't at all close to having final Kubuntu CDs, so there's no real harm.18:04
RiddellI'm tempted to start spinning CDs and seeing what results18:05
ScottKI think spinning i386 live and alternate is reasonable right now.18:05
RiddellScottK: well, fine with me but ask on #ubuntu-release since they might object to buildds being blocked18:06
ScottKWill do.18:06
* apachelogger finds that a reasonable objection18:06
NCommanderScottK, kde4libs-0ubuntu2 is on its way to my PPA18:06
ScottKNCommander: We need to wait for the Alpha freeze to end.18:10
NCommanderScottK, I know, I'm using the opportunity to rebuild in pbuilder ;-)18:11
ScottKSo far 4.1.4 seems reasonably good.  The only issue I'm having that could be a regression are some odd edge effects in Firefox that I find very distracting.18:39
ScottKhttp://kitterman.com/kubuntu/edge-effects.pdf gives you an idea.18:39
ScottKSuggestions on what might cause that?18:40
RiddellScottK: I've always had that with the gtk-qt4-engine18:41
vorianme too18:41
voriani use qtcuve in my gtk style18:42
vorianit solves the problem nicely18:42
* ScottK tries.18:43
ScottKAh.  I remember now.18:44
* ScottK clicked on the little 'install scrollbar fix' in system settings and this is my first restart since.18:44
ScottKvorian: qtcurve is better.  Thanks.18:49
ScottKRiddell: So no obvious regressions in 4.1.4.  It feels faster.  That might just be because I hadn't rebooted for weeks.18:49
apacheloggerDo we get a "I voted" sticker thingy of some sort?18:51
nhandlerapachelogger: No, but you get a string of random numbers18:52
DaSkreech4.2 RC1 breaks yakuake18:54
apacheloggernhandler: yah, sure, random, ubuntu ... haha :P18:54
claydohDaSkreech: how does it break? I haven't noticed anything yet18:55
RiddellScottK: excellent, thanks18:55
Riddellthis live CD seems to work but also seems to have an old KDE on it, I wonder if it rebuilt at all18:56
claydohDaSkreech: ahh oh yeah18:56
apacheloggerDaSkreech: what does shiftL do?18:56
DaSkreechSame thing as Konqui18:57
RiddellKonsole seems to be defaulting to a nasty dark grey on light grey18:57
apacheloggerDaSkreech: I don't get the problem18:57
DaSkreechapachelogger: Splits the window into two konsoles one of them is messed up18:58
apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/print.pdf is that a win?18:58
apacheloggerDaSkreech: oh18:58
Nightroseapachelogger: oh dear... - he's never going to understand it is he?19:01
ScottKSput: I haz bug 4 U: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/show/48519:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 4 in rosetta "Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419:01
Nightroseapachelogger: and nice font you got there ;-)19:01
apacheloggerwell, not for all the desktop19:01
apacheloggerlooks good for mails though19:01
Riddell"phonon-backend-null: Conflicts: phonon-backend" humph19:04
alleeTonio: what is with digikam?19:05
\shsounds like, that you all running jaunty already ,-)19:09
* nhandler just went back to intrepid19:09
ScottK\sh: I just upgraded to 4.1.4 in intrepid-proposed.19:09
* ScottK tosses nhandler some intrepid-proposed for SRU verification.19:10
\shah..sadly I can't run proposed here @office.../me needs a working station19:10
nhandlerScottK: Any particular package?19:10
ScottKnhandler: All of KDE 4.1.4 (assuming you're on i386.  amd64 is still bulding)19:11
nhandlerYeah, I'm on i386. Would apt like the backports? I just installed 4.1.96 from k-e yesterday19:11
* \sh is cursing customers, to not let him go home...19:12
ScottKnhandler: If you've already install 4.2, then nevermind.19:12
=== mcasadevall is now known as NCommander
vorianapachelogger: pingaling20:35
* DaSkreech laughs20:36
seeleRiddell: do you still manage planet.kde.org?20:49
DaSkreechyes he does20:50
DaSkreechFor some degree of manage20:50
seeleRiddell: can you add my twitter? I never got my svn account fixed: http://twitter.com/celestelynpaul20:50
DaSkreechthere is a twitter section of the planet?20:52
DaSkreechSweet. Solely twitter or would dents etc go there as well20:54
torkianoTonio_: Sorry for the delay; I don't know, the other day Ridell said that he'd ask hunger (KCall/decibel developer)21:07
torkianoI already ask in #decibel channel, but nobody answer :(21:07
LaserJockhmm, so I still can't get Jaunty to log in21:39
LaserJockplasma doesn't start as far as I know, grepping for plasma gives nothing21:41
apacheloggervorian: pongaling21:42
DaSkreechLaserJock: start from xterm21:42
apacheloggerLaserJock: all upgraded?21:43
apacheloggerthe ABI breakage caused some plasmoids to take plasma down21:43
apacheloggerthat should be fixed by now though21:43
ScottKapachelogger: He's on amd64.  Is it built yet?21:43
apacheloggerI think jr said earlier that it is21:43
LaserJockDaSkreech: I can't use X as far as I know21:44
Riddellseele: your twitter is public now?21:44
LaserJockapachelogger: yeah, all upgraded21:44
LaserJockI mv'd my .kde and everything21:45
DaSkreechLaserJock: X& doesn't work ?21:45
LaserJocklet me see21:45
LaserJockumm, no21:46
LaserJockX& doesn't work21:46
LaserJock(EE)  intel(0): underrun on pipe B!21:46
seeleRiddell: yes21:48
LaserJockwell, I don't get why X& won't work21:50
Riddellseele: Celeste Paul or Celeste Lyn Paul?21:50
LaserJockkdm starts fine21:50
DaSkreechMight look into that21:50
DaSkreechseele: Is there a date btw ?21:50
seeleDaSkreech: a date of what?21:51
seeleRiddell: CLP please21:51
seeleer.. Celeste Lyn Paul heh21:51
DaSkreechseele: picking up the last deposit on the ring21:51
seeleDaSkreech: huh?21:51
DaSkreechDidn't you get engaged?21:51
DaSkreechDid you get married already?21:52
DaSkreechIs there a date for that?21:52
seeleyes, next september21:52
DaSkreechThanks :)21:52
* seele blinks21:52
apacheloggerDaSkreech clearly wants to get invited ;-)21:52
DaSkreechAre there cookies?21:52
seeleDaSkreech: there will be more than cookies. my parents are going a bit crazy over the thing21:53
apacheloggerI am not invited, so no cookies ... though maybe I am in a good mood that day and stuff some through the freenode servers ;-)21:53
DaSkreechha ha  of course they are21:53
seeleDaSkreech: no. you dont understand. there is construction going on.21:53
seele*that* crazy21:53
DaSkreechShould I get control of the mars robots to get a snapshot from space?21:53
DaSkreechThere is china that's upper africa that's seele's reception and that small dot it's over shadowing is Vegas21:54
apacheloggerthat just made me think of the oxygen under-construction icon being all over the place and made me smile21:54
LaserJockhmm, well I found a bug and a lot of the comments blame KDE, but that's kinda odd21:54
seeleDaSkreech: there are satellite photos but they are from a few years ago and not very nice21:54
DaSkreechWe shall arrange a commit for marble on the day21:55
apacheloggerLaserJock: bug is an unkown variable or method :P21:55
LaserJockis there a way to get X to spit out an xorg.conf? I'd like to try vesa21:57
* apachelogger doesn't know21:57
apacheloggerLaserJock: but what is that bug?21:57
apacheloggeror where21:57
LaserJockbug #25614221:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 256142 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Flickering with version 2.4.0" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25614221:58
Riddellseele: added, should appear in a few minutes if you've twittered anything recently21:58
seeleRiddell: yay, thanks21:58
seele~karma Riddell21:58
kubotukarma for Riddell: 421:58
apachelogger~karma JontheEchidna21:59
kubotukarma for JontheEchidna: 821:59
seelesomeone take the bot away from me!21:59
apacheloggerseele: no worries, I turned of the uno game :P21:59
seeleapachelogger: there was uno?  and i missed it?!21:59
nhandler##uno ;)21:59
apacheloggerseele: no, I turned it off when I did the intial setup ... which I regretted yesterday because I was in an uno mood22:00
apacheloggerthat mood is gone, now that I have to do uno hacking again :|22:00
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov'22:01
apacheloggerLaserJock: IIRC our X/intel driver is patched so that it causes rendering gltiches ... I could imagine that bug was related to that22:01
apacheloggerthen again the patch wasn't removed anyway AFAIK22:01
ScottKDid we build amarok for Intrepid for 4.2 or 4.1/4.2?22:04
LaserJockwell, maybe I'll try to install Alpha 322:04
apacheloggerScottK: vorian is preparing an upload anyway as it seems to broken on amd due to mysql changes22:06
ScottKI thought that was Jaunty22:06
apacheloggerScottK: ah, intrepid for 4.122:06
apacheloggerScottK: why do you ask?22:06
ScottKDiscussion about crashing with 4.1.4 on #amarok22:07
vorianapachelogger: i just fixed our mysql problem22:07
cbrwhy is kwrite so slow?22:07
cbrselecting text is like uberslow22:08
cbreven writing sometimes lags22:08
apacheloggercbr: don't use monster docs22:08
apacheloggervorian: hwo so?22:08
apachelogger*how even22:09
vorianthere was a slight error causing libmysqlclient16-dev to be an empty package22:09
cbrapachelogger: 100 lines is not monster, is it?22:10
apacheloggercbr: maybe not22:11
DaSkreech~markov status22:11
kubotumarkov is currently disabled22:11
apacheloggercbr: question is .. does kate exhibit these issues as well?22:11
apacheloggerDaSkreech: dood, I deactivated even uno22:11
apacheloggerand that works like expected... unlike markov22:12
seeleScottK: can i just update the quassel package or do i need a new -data package too?22:13
cbruhuh, kate is slow too22:14
ScottKseele: Both22:14
cbreven scrolling the document is slow22:14
ScottKseele: The new ini file for networks is in -data22:15
apacheloggercbr: 4.1.x?22:15
jussi01~karma jussi0122:15
kubotukarma for jussi01: -122:15
cbrit was the same for .85 iirc22:15
apacheloggercbr: didn't notice anything similar ... what kind of document?22:15
cbrturning off compositing effects actually made it slower22:15
seeleScottK: ok22:15
cbrwell, one was plain text, the other is html22:16
apacheloggercbr: very weird --- bugs.kde.org22:17
apacheloggerreport against katepart (ought to be part of kdelibs if not available itself)22:17
cbrjust selecting makes the xorg process use like 75% cpu22:18
cbrwhile the kate process is only taking like 522:18
apacheloggermaybe it is a graphics driver bug22:19
apacheloggercbr: jaunty or intrepid?22:20
* apachelogger finds it very likely to be graphics then22:20
cbri'm getting like 140 FPS @ glxgears as well22:20
cbrintel <322:20
apacheloggercbr: you might check with the kate devs22:20
apacheloggereither the editor widget does some weird stuff your driver doesn't like or your driver is b0rked22:21
ScottKIs anyone fixoring kdesdk for Jaunty?22:21
* ScottK looks at JontheEchidna....22:21
apacheloggerScottK: still broken?22:21
* apachelogger thought jr was triggering rebuilds earlier22:22
ScottKFTBFS on all but amd64 due to a missing file.22:22
ScottKNo idea how it build there.22:22
ScottKI don't think it's just a retry.22:22
apacheloggernah, doesn't look like one22:23
* apachelogger is wondering how it built here22:23
ScottKDifferent tarball?22:23
* ScottK gotta run.22:23
apacheloggerno, looks like the .1 from the manpage disappeared22:23
cbralso, for some reason changing channels in screen+irssi in konsole takes a sensable amount of time..22:26
cbrwhich is absurd, since it's a terminal app.. drawing shouldnt take a millisecond :p22:27
apacheloggerit is a terminal emulator to be precise22:27
apacheloggercbr: that makes it sound even more like a graphics issue though22:27
cbri found some cool experimental stuff at xorg-edgers.. too vary to try it out though :p22:28
seeleSput: whois broken?22:28
cbrmostly because downgrading is such a pain in debian22:29
jussi01seele: works in latest git here22:30
seelehum.. i thought ScottK just packaged it fresh and hot22:31
apacheloggerScottK, JontheEchidna: kdesdk-scripts is arch all ... and missing a .1 for cvsrevertlast22:31
apacheloggerdoesn't explain why it failed on lpia though22:31
jussi01seele: are you not getting anything at all?22:31
seelejussi01: nope.  not with /whois name or right clicking on name and selecting whois from the context menu22:32
jussi01seele: I assume you are looking in the status buffer for the output? (basic question, but got to ask)22:33
cbrah, screw it.. i'll try the experimental drm/intel/mesa stuff22:33
cbrhere goes segfault22:34
seelejussi01: yes22:35
seelejussi01: that's the one on top of the current channel you are viewing right?22:35
jussi01seele: the network name one22:35
seelethere is no status buffer for it.. i'm clicking on it and nothing happens22:35
seele(double clicking)22:35
jussi01seele: 1 sec22:36
seelejussi01: but the watch buffer above it should show it too.. it shows all activity22:36
jussi01seele: no, it doesnt show activity stuff, joins parts mode changes etc22:37
seeleoh, yeah i dunno22:38
jussi01seele:  http://imagebin.ca/view/ttR3Xq.html22:39
seelejussi01: i cant do that, clicking on Freenode just expands and collapses the tree widget22:40
jussi01seele: really? thats supposed to be only when you click the + clicking the name should bring it up...22:41
seeledouble clicking on the label makes it expand and contract.  no buffer window shows up with it is selected22:42
seelemaybe it's just bork?22:42
jussi01seele: curious. Im not using the monolithic build, but there shouldnt be any difference22:42
Ramblurris there any chance an updated libkdcraw could be packaged for intrepid?22:46
Ramblurrit would solve this http://www.binaryelysium.com/images/libkdcraw_lameness.png22:47
Ramblurrbug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdcraw/+bug/22862322:47
ubottuUbuntu bug 228623 in ufraw "Ufraw does not process Canon EOS 450D RAW files correctly." [Undecided,Confirmed]22:47
Ramblurrdcraw and ufraw have already been fixed22:47
jussi01!backports | Ramblurr22:48
ubottuRamblurr: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging22:48
cbrwoow, UXA actually works with the packages from xorg-edgers22:48
cbrand DRI2 works.. i can see the glxgears in the 3d effects like it's supposed to be22:49
cbrglxgears fps went to 420.. not great but an increase22:49
Ramblurrjussi01: yes yes, i'm asking for a libkdcraw backport :) either 0.1.5 or 0.1.722:49
cbrselecting stuff is snappier now in kate22:58
cbrbut it still takes time.. like it's something intensive.. it's selecting text :o22:59
astromme-laptopAnyone else having plasma crashes (4.2RC, 4.1.96) on amd64?23:06
ScottKseele: My git snapshot is from yesterday.  I do test these things before I upload them.23:06
ScottKjussi01: What packages are you using?23:07
jussi01ScottK: not using packages, git only23:07
ScottKjussi01: KDE integration enabled?23:08
jussi01ScottK: of course23:08
seeleScottK: whois works for you?23:08
ScottKAlso there are some differences now between -client and the monolithic package23:08
ScottKseele: Now it does.  At times I've seemed to miss it and I don't know the difference.23:09
vorianamarok has built!23:09
ScottKActually no it doesn't.23:11
ScottKGotta run23:11
torkianoseele: whois works for me with Scottk latest packages23:28
seeletorkiano: hum..23:29
torkianoseele: 0.4.0~git090113-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa123:30
torkianoI use the monolithic client but i have already installed quassel-client23:31
torkianoseele: i've removed quassel-client and whois still works23:34
torkianoIntrepid here23:34
seeleyeah.. intrepid here to23:35
seelei dont know what to say, it's not working23:35
seeledid you remove .quassel? i didnt configure any channels.  i clicked freenode in the file>networks menu and it took me directly to #kubuntu23:36
seeleso maybe the freenode buffer isn't being created?23:36
seele(mono client)23:36
torkianoseele: I'm going to remove .quassel. See you soon23:37
torkianoseele: still works for me :/23:40
seeletorkiano: argh, well then nevermind if no one else's is broken but mine23:43
seele(that seems to happen a lot)23:43
LureRamblurr: willing to go withe kde4 beta? there is digikam-experimental PPA for digikam/kipi-plugins for Intrepid23:57
RamblurrLure: oo.. the kde4 digikam?23:57
* Ramblurr is running kde-neon anyways23:57
LureRamblurr: yes23:57
ScottKI thought we updated Jaunty to KDE4 digikam?23:58
LureRamblurr: you need kubuntu-experimental + digikam-experimental23:58
LureScottK: talking about interpid23:58
ScottKDon't mind me then.23:58
Ramblurrcool.. i already have kubuntu-experimental23:59
LureRamblurr: https://edge.launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive23:59
* Ramblurr updates23:59

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