[00:00] <LaserJock> nhandler: can you add what just happened with the PPA copy to bug #225131 ?
[00:00] <LaserJock> I think that's the right bug
[00:01] <nhandler> LaserJock: Sure thing
[00:01] <LaserJock> nhandler: thanks
[00:02] <seele> ~kubotu help
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[00:02] <seele> ~eightball
[00:02] <seele> hmm
[00:02] <neversfelde> I packaged a plasmoid, but I cannot upload to revu, because I do not know the authors full name. I mailed him, but got no answer, I cannot use a Nickname, can I?
[00:02] <seele> ~kubotu eightball
[00:02] <jjesse> ~kubuntu help karma
[00:03] <jjesse> ~kubotu help karma
[00:03] <kubotu> karma module: Listens to everyone's chat. <thing>++/<thing>-- => increase/decrease karma for <thing>, karma for <thing>? => show karma for <thing>, karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own.
[00:03] <jjesse> ~kubuntu eightball
[00:03] <jjesse> ~kubotu eightball
[00:03] <seele> it didnt work..
[00:03] <seele> ~kubotu salut
[00:03] <kubotu> good evening seele :)
[00:03] <ScottK> NCommander: I don't remember for sure.  Did you have a fix for kde4libs on armel yet?
[00:03] <nhandler> ~karmastats
[00:03] <kubotu> 225 items. Best: C (75); Worst: > (-23)
[00:04] <NCommander> ScottK, no, because I had my computer ICe
[00:04] <seele> ~urban kool-aid
[00:04] <kubotu> Kool-aid (1/22+): the water of the ghettos " You want some kool-aid?" " Man you know I want some kool-aid"
[00:04] <seele> no.. that's not what i want
[00:04] <seele> ~kubotu help urban
[00:04] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  I thought I remembered you said that went away.
[00:04] <kubotu> urban [word] [n]: give the [n]th definition of [word] from urbandictionary.com. urbanday: give the word-of-the-day at urban
[00:05] <NCommander> It just did today it seems
[00:05] <seele> ~urban kool-aid 5
[00:05] <kubotu> kool-aid (5/22+): Propaganda brewed for mass consumption. E.g.: Bart drank the Bush administration's Kool-Aid about the war in Iraq, and got his ass pwned in...
[00:05] <seele> there we go
[00:05] <seele> ~urban kool-aid 3
[00:05] <kubotu> kool-aid (3/22+): The universal drink of the ghetto. comes in many flavors such as grape, cherry, blueberry etc, but known to the ghetto natives as red, purple etc. also used as a slang term to describe a situation. You all up in my kool-aid and don't even know the flavor. What kind of kool-aid do you want?... umm...
[00:05] <seele> hmm.. that's not it
[00:05] <seele> i want cult description of kool-aid
[00:07] <NCommander> ~urban kubuntu
[00:07] <kubotu> kubuntu (1/1): An integrated Linux distro with all the great features of Ubuntu, but based on the KDE desktop. A good thing about Kubuntu is that it is free and can be downloaded, used, and upgraded for no money at all. Kubuntu can be either run off of a liveboot CD, or installed. Kubuntu is a good OS for people w... I currently dual boot with Windows XP and Kubuntu.
[00:07] <nhandler> NCommander: I guess something must have changed, pbuilder created a jaunty chroot this time. Although I have no clue what I did differently
[00:09] <seele> i still dont get how karma works
[00:09] <seele> ~karma Riddell
[00:09] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 2
[00:09] <seele> Riddell++
[00:09] <seele> ~karma Riddell
[00:09] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 3
[00:09] <seele> ah hah!
[00:09] <nhandler> seele: It works just like that
[00:09] <seele> i see.. so no love for seele
[00:09]  * Riddell suddely feels self improvement
[00:09] <nhandler> ~karma seele++
[00:09] <kubotu> seele++ has neutral karma
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: hmm, not sure. Asking in #ubuntu-motu might be advisable
[00:09] <nhandler> seele++
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> ~karma seele
[00:10] <kubotu> karma for seele: 2
[00:10] <seele> yay!
[00:10] <nhandler> neversfelde: If you are unable to find it, and the author is not responding, the archive admins might still let it in
[00:11] <neversfelde> nhandler: thx, I will wait another day and then upload it.
[00:14] <LaserJock> ~karma neversfelde++
[00:14] <kubotu> neversfelde++ has neutral karma
[00:14] <seele> neversfelde++
[00:14] <seele> ~karma neversfelde
[00:14] <kubotu> karma for neversfelde: 2
[00:15] <neversfelde> yay, +2 in 1ß seconds :)
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna reboots for full kde 4.2 goodness
[00:15]  * seele sighs
[00:15] <seele> mine is bork.  neon is good though
[00:15]  * neversfelde lost plasma on intrepid
[00:16]  * seele too
[00:16] <LaserJock> I'm kinda scared to try it now :(
[00:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: got your email.... really sorry for the issue...
[00:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to take my time to do it correctly :)
[00:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: are the archives frozen actually ? I didn't get the second part of your email...
[00:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, you won't until tomorrow, but it's ok you can just fix it and upload tonight
[00:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.... 3 packages, 3 issues.... I may just be too tired to do things correctly today.... let's wait for tomorrow
[00:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: too many things in the work.... I shouldn't have missed the licencing issue, that's bad
[00:20] <nhandler> Why didn't the second copy batch show up?
[00:21]  * nhandler goes to fix it
[00:21] <jjesse_> hrmm anothernegative for knetworkmanager -- no easy way to share a wired internet via the wireless card like on my wife's macbook :(
[00:22] <neversfelde> hehe
[00:25]  * ScottK asks 5 year old a question ...
[00:25] <seele> where do babies come from?
[00:25] <ScottK> Responses is, "Dad, I'm trying to color here."
[00:25] <neversfelde> sorry, hehe was for another channel :(
[00:25] <jjesse_> hehe
[00:25] <seele> ScottK: lol did you ask her something mushy?
[00:25] <ScottK> Unfortunately she takes lessons from her tennage sisters.
[00:26] <ScottK> seele: Not mushy, just silly.
[00:27] <seele> ~twitter seele status
[00:27] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[00:27] <seele> ~twitter status seele
[00:27] <kubotu> enjoys a drink after returning from new york :/ (3 months, 3 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 24 seconds ago via web)
[00:27] <ScottK> In other news I blew my several week streak of not getting pissed off about Launchpad/LP developers.
[00:27] <seele> wtf i dont remember going to new york
[00:27] <ScottK> [18:42:19] <ScottK> BTW, I don't accept that people managing to develop a really slow web tool gives them any particular expertise about Linux distro development.
[00:27] <jjesse_> wow 3 months 3 days 4 hours 11 minutes and 24 second s ago :)
[00:28] <seele> ~kubotu help twitter
[00:28] <kubotu> twitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...)
[00:28] <jjesse_> ScottK: that's an interesting comment
[00:28] <seele> it's also true
[00:28] <jjesse_> agreeed
[00:29] <ScottK> Someone on #ubuntu-motu was holding out the help.launchpad.net recommendations on PPA revison numbering as somehow authoritative.
[00:29] <_neversfelde> ~twitter neversfelde status
[00:29] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[00:29] <seele> ~twitter update packing up after a boring day at a conference on genetically modified cryogenically frozen ninja mice who glow and fight cancer
[00:29] <kubotu> status updated
[00:29] <seele> ~twitter status seele
[00:29] <kubotu> enjoys a drink after returning from new york :/ (3 months, 3 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes and 48 seconds ago via web)
[00:29]  * seele smacks forehead
[00:30] <nhandler> ScottK: I was having fun watching that conversation
[00:30]  * seele really does packup.  brb
[00:33]  * Tonio_ beds...
[00:35] <jjesse-dell9> is intrepid safe to update with the ppa for kde4 enabled?
[00:36]  * ScottK doesn't know of anyone succeeding yet.
[00:36] <ScottK> seele had trouble not so long ago.
[00:37] <neversfelde> me too
[00:39] <neversfelde> Plasma is not working atm
[00:40] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm ok ill wait then :)
[00:41] <cbr_> is anybody using the xorg-edgers ppa?
[00:43] <jjesse-dell9> silly quick question, but is the vote for the technical board that mark sent out ot ubuntu-devel-announce and ubuntu-devel-discuss only supposed to be for the ubuntu-devel team or everyone?
[00:45] <neversfelde> ah another bundle of packages
[00:45] <neversfelde> probably it is working now
[00:45] <ScottK> jjesse-dell9: ubuntu-dev (which is MOTU and core-dev both)
[00:46] <jjesse-dell9> ScottK ah thanks, was a bit confused by the email going out to such a big list and who was able to vote
[00:47] <LaserJock> it's rather odd that we're only voting for 1 person
[00:47] <LaserJock> a year or so ago Mark said he wanted the TB to be ~ 5 people
[00:47] <LaserJock> and instead we just get to replace mjg59
[00:47] <neversfelde> yay, Plasma is back
[00:48] <jjesse-dell9> LaserJock: i dont understand either
[00:48] <LaserJock> neversfelde: after what?
[00:48] <ScottK> LaserJock: I think it's great to have an actual vote
[00:49] <LaserJock> ScottK: I suppose, not a a big one, but I guess it's better than nothing
[00:49] <LaserJock> "pick between two"
[00:49] <ScottK> First time for TB.
[00:50] <neversfelde> LaserJock: latest Update via the experimental repo
[00:50] <LaserJock> neversfelde: k, cool, I'll give it a go then
[00:50] <LaserJock> neversfelde: must have been python-kde4
[00:51] <neversfelde> LaserJock: yes, should be the reason
[00:51] <jjesse-dell9> who was working on ufw-kde?  was that rgreening?
[00:51] <LaserJock> ScottK: that is good, but I think I'd rather have a confirmational vote on 3 new people :-)
[00:51] <LaserJock> especially if there was a community person in the 3
[00:51] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yeah.. kuser and puthon-kde4 didnt upgrade
[00:52] <jjesse-dell9> seele: hrmm so should i wait or should i go?
[00:52] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: just apt-get update and look to make sure nothing's being held back
[00:53] <seele> LaserJock: is python-kde4 why plasma is crashing?
[00:53] <LaserJock> seele: I think it must be
[00:53] <neversfelde> python-kde4 was not updated, because kdepim was missing
[00:53] <LaserJock> seele: neversfelde updated that an kusers and now he's got python
[00:54]  * ScottK dinners
[00:54] <neversfelde> it is available now and plasma is working again
[00:54] <LaserJock> bah, s/python/plasma/
[00:55] <seele> ah cool.. more updates
[00:55] <neversfelde> I love KDE 4.2
[00:55] <jjesse-dell9> looks like nothing is being held back so away i go
[01:02] <nhandler> Glad to see that that last copy batch worked.
[01:02]  * nhandler really despises the ppa copy system
[01:05] <seele> yaay my kde is back
[01:05] <seele> jjesse-dell9: now it seems safe
[01:07] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm dropbox can run under kde as long as gdm is being used
[01:10] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: it doesn't work without gdm?
[01:10] <jjesse-dell9> LaserJock: corrrrect
[01:11] <LaserJock> bummer
[01:11] <jjesse-dell9> LaserJock: none of my files were getting updating until i configured gdm instead of kdm
[01:11] <LaserJock> odd
[01:12] <jjesse-dell9> apprantly it needs nautlius
[01:13] <jjesse-dell9> dont know for sure
[01:13] <nhandler> jjesse-dell9: I know it modifies the nautilus right click menu
[01:13] <LaserJock> right
[01:13] <LaserJock> but I wouldn't think gdm = nautilus
[01:13] <nhandler> LaserJock: I'm not sure why it needs gdm
[01:14] <jjesse-dell9> me either but now it works
[01:17] <nhandler> Time to see how rc1 works for me
[01:17] <jjesse-dell9> rc1 of?
[01:17] <neversfelde> problems with xinerama are not solved
[01:18] <seele> hum.. where is the wlalpaper installed.  it didnt show up
[01:18] <neversfelde> tha wallpaper is mhhh
[01:18] <seele> no way.. i like it
[01:18] <neversfelde> we call it "Geschmacksache sagte der Affe" :)
[01:18] <seele> which means..
[01:19] <jjesse-dell9> sneeze?
[01:20] <neversfelde> taste, says the monkey and bites into the soft soap
[01:20] <neversfelde> probably
[01:20] <neversfelde> you cannot translat it I think
[01:22] <vorian> haha
[01:22] <neversfelde> my father loves this saying and he has birthdy today. 60 years
[01:24] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: I just tried dropbox here with kdm and it worked
[01:25] <nhandler> Well, kubuntu is running great on my laptop now. I think I'll have to stick with it :)
[01:25] <vorian> win
[01:25] <nhandler> kubuntu++
[01:26] <LaserJock> nhandler: I'm getting that feeling as well
[01:27] <neversfelde> hehe
[01:27] <jjesse-dell9> LaserJock: hrmm somethings is wierd it wouldnt update any files for me
[01:27] <nhandler> jjesse-dell9: What wouldn't?
[01:28] <jjesse-dell9> none of my files would update, like i would update a file on my windows box and it wouldnt copy over to my kubuntu box
[01:29] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: I just tried adding a file on my kubuntu box. I suppose it could be just a one-way problem
[01:30] <jjesse-dell9> LaserJock: so you added a file and it is updated now on the dropbox side of things as well?
[01:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:30] <LaserJock> I checked on the web interface
[01:31] <LaserJock> I have gdm installed, but it's not running
[01:31] <jjesse-dell9> interesting
[01:38] <LaserJock> bah, kdebase-workspace is FTBFS on amd64, no wonder I was having problems
[01:38] <jjesse-dell9> so whos watching american idol besides me tonight?
[01:38] <nhandler> jjesse-dell9: My brother is
[01:38] <jjesse-dell9> my wife is in the hotel room so i am
[01:41] <neversfelde> Deutschland such den Superstar is hard enough
[01:41] <neversfelde> my girlfriend is watching that shit, but I never would
[01:42]  * JontheEchidna realizes he never did reboot
[01:42] <nhandler> Neither did I. I have the little notification telling me to do so
[01:43] <jjesse-dell9> i take it deutschland such den superstar is the german version of idol?
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> brb
[01:43] <neversfelde> jjesse-dell9: yes it is
[01:43] <LaserJock> python-kde4-dev: Depends: python-kde4 (< 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1.1~) but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <neversfelde> and it is as bad as the american version
[01:44] <nhandler> LaserJock: Intrepid?
[01:44] <LaserJock> Jaunty
[01:44] <nhandler> amd64?
[01:44] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:44]  * nhandler goes to see if it has built
[01:45]  * neversfelde goes to bed
[01:45] <LaserJock> it said it built yesterday
[01:45] <neversfelde> n8 everyone
[01:45] <LaserJock> and it looks to me like kdebase-workspace was started after, so I don't get it
[01:45] <vorian> LaserJock: it was
[01:46] <LaserJock> so why wouldn't it have found it :(
[01:47] <nhandler> It looks like aside from a few plasmoids, the kde packages for amd64 have built
[01:47] <LaserJock> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2/+build/836383
[01:48] <vorian> not so nhandler
[01:48] <jjesse-dell9> shouldnt the reboot notifier come up after the process of updating is done
[01:49] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: heh, that's a good point. if somebody got antsy they could reboot in the middle
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, everything's cool except kdm is now using plastique
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[01:49] <vorian> nhandler: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&start=500&batch=50
[01:49] <jjesse-dell9> totally i almost hit it but then switched over to the konsole and noticed the upgrade still going
[01:50] <vorian> builds of kdeutils, kdeplasma-addons, kdesdk, kdedmin, kdetoys, -workspace, -runtime have yet to be built
[01:50] <vorian> for amd64, that is
[01:51] <nhandler> Yeah, I had the wrong filter option ;)
[01:51]  * nhandler liked thinking everything built
[01:57] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm ok back
[01:57] <jjesse-dell9> whats the name of the default background?  is it air? or something like that?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> Air, yes
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-dell9: btw, is kickoff still too small?
[01:59]  * JontheEchidna remembers a bug report you filed about that
[01:59] <jjesse-dell9> JontheEchidna: nope its been scaling correct for awhile, didnt i close th report?
[02:00]  * JontheEchidna checks
[02:00] <jjesse-dell9> if not, please do
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> ok, closing now
[02:00] <LaserJock> nhandler: so can you figure out why -workspace didn't build? it looks to me like it should have
[02:01] <vorian> LaserJock: it did build, this is a re-build
[02:02] <vorian> there was a flaw with a modified kdm.init script which would have been bad news
[02:13] <nhandler> vorian: What was that emerald app for kde you were talking about? choqok and a few other applications have ugly windows that I want to fix
[02:13] <vorian> kde-style-dekorator \o/
[02:13] <nhandler> Was it backported to intrepid?
[02:13] <vorian> er, no
[02:13] <vorian> let me work on that
[02:14] <nhandler> :D
[02:14] <vorian> nhandler: it's in the kubuntu-members ppa iirc
[02:14]  * vorian checks
[02:14] <nhandler> vorian: For intrepid?
[02:14] <vorian> nope, nevermind
[02:16] <vorian> it's kwin-style-dekorator
[02:16] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Aside from looking ugly, choqoK runs fine on Intrepid. I put up a copy in my PPA, but it is identical to the jaunty version
[02:16] <ScottK> nhandler: It'd been backported once, if it needs updating, please file a backports bug.
[02:17] <nhandler> ScottK: What was backported? kwin-style-dekorator?
[02:17] <vorian> ScottK: no backport exists
[02:17] <ScottK> NCommander: choqoK
[02:17] <ScottK> Urgh.
[02:17] <nhandler> ScottK: Where? intrepid-backports?
[02:17] <ScottK> nhandler:^^^
[02:17] <vorian> oh, yeah
[02:17] <ScottK> IIRC.
[02:18] <vorian> that was done yesterday
[02:18] <nhandler> ScottK: Ok, thanks. I really didn't look hard. I'll get the backports version
[02:26] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm kontact is crashing everytime i open it up now that ive restarted
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-dell9: what version is it at?
[02:27] <ScottK> vorian: mysql bug or amarok bug: Bug #316957
[02:27]  * vorian checks
[02:27]  * ScottK notes that vorian is now and forever more the amarok packaging expert.
[02:27] <jjesse-dell9> kontact is version 1.3
[02:27] <vorian> heh
[02:27] <vorian> :)
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-dell9: I sorta meant apt-cache policy kontact :P
[02:28] <jjesse-dell9> oh sorry
[02:28] <jjesse-dell9> JontheEchidna: 4.1.96-0ubuntu1-intrepid1-ppa2
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> hmm, and kdepimlibs5?
[02:29] <jjesse-dell9> 4.1.96-0ubuntu-intrepid1-ppa1
[02:30] <jjesse-dell9> interesting, what is the difference between ppa1 and ppa2?
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> kdepim probably had to be uploaded twice
[02:30] <vorian> ScottK: i would bet $100 smackers that this is due to 5.0 being built already, and 5.1 in the wings - so we have libclientmysql15/16 conflicts that don't actually exist yet
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> that shouldn't be the issue though
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> this makes the crash somewhat puzzling though
[02:31] <ScottK> vorian: Mark in the bug then please.
[02:31] <vorian> will do
[02:31] <LaserJock> ok, I'm still stuck on why -workspace FTBFS
[02:31] <jjesse-dell9> i thi9nk the problem is in kmail
[02:31]  * LaserJock feels like he's missing something
[02:32] <jjesse-dell9> kmakmail
[02:32] <torkiano> Kde4rc1 rocks, thank you guys!
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-dell9: kmail works here :D
[02:33]  * JontheEchidna away for a bit
[02:33] <jjesse-dell9> bummer, just running kmail and it crashes as well
[02:33] <antiquark> Hi. RSSNOW and the News plasmoids do not fetch the RSS Feeds in 4.2RC. The same problem existed in 4.2B2 and had been reported.
[02:34] <jjesse-dell9> sock_file=/home/jonathan.kde/socket-dell-9/kdeinit4__0
[02:35] <vorian> ScottK: amarok will need rebuilding, since it pulls in libmysqlserver15-dev
[02:36] <jjesse-dell9> anyone having issues with the weather applet not updating?
[02:38] <antiquark> maybe because the temperature doesn't change all the time?
[02:39] <jjesse-dell9> shows all 0
[02:40] <antiquark> works properly here
[02:41] <antiquark> try changing the location
[02:41] <LaserJock> it seems to work her
[02:41] <LaserJock> +e
[02:43] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm i think the problem is with noaa? or whatever the us data source is
[02:43] <nhandler> NCommander: I lied earlier about the pbuilder issue. I get a bunch of Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com' messages
[02:45] <antiquark> Anyone else without working RSS plasmoids?
[02:47] <jjesse-dell9> every folder but my inbox (gmail over imap) works correctly
[02:48] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: I'm using NOAA
[02:48] <antiquark> my gmail over imap works correctly
[02:49] <jjesse-dell9> gargh must be me
[02:49] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: I think you're just special :p
[02:49] <jjesse-dell9> probablly should go to be bed then :)
[02:50] <jjesse-dell9> thanks LaserJock i think you're special as well
[02:50] <torkiano> hello, plasma crash when I add comics to comics applet
[02:50] <LaserJock> torkiano: I got that as well
[02:51] <LaserJock> antiquark: RSSNOW just sits there with "fetching feeds" is that what you get?
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> Oh
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> apparently the rss engine will only build if kdepimlibs are present, but cmake doesn't say anything at all if they aren't
[02:53] <vorian> oh goodness
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah :/
[02:54] <vorian> JontheEchidna: we have to wait for all of 4.1.4 to build before the rest of amd64 is done
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> holy damn
[02:55] <torkiano> JontheEchidna: that affects me too?
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the rss dataengine isn't being built in our packages
[02:57] <torkiano> JontheEchidna: ok, good work anyone (not everything can be perfect ;-))
[02:59] <antiquark> LaserJock: yes that's what I get
[04:09] <ScottK> vorian: Universe isn't frozen, so you can upload it again anytime.
[04:10] <vorian> right-o
[04:10] <vorian> i didn't even notice networkanager 0.7 is in the pipes
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Been for a while
[04:14] <vorian> no, i mean at this moment, waiting to be built
[04:14]  * vorian is somewhat tiredish
[04:16] <nhandler> Then go to bed vorian, it is 11:15 your time
[04:16] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Is there any chance you could rescore kdebase-workspace on amd64?  It's kind of holding up the train.
[04:56] <LaserJock> anybody around running Jaunty amd64?
[04:58] <nixternal> I am
[04:58] <nixternal> haven't upgraded recently with my kubuntu desktop though
[05:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: you running it right now?
[05:01] <ScottK> nixternal: We want to know why python-kde4 is currently uninstallable.
[05:01] <nixternal> don't have it turned on
[05:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: get with it MAN!
[05:01] <ScottK> Would you try and install it and see why it says no?
[05:01] <nixternal> in jaunty?
[05:01]  * LaserJock gets out the whip
[05:01]  * nixternal fires up kubuntu jaunty amd64
[05:03] <nixternal> I love how fast kubuntu jaunty fires up on my x86_64 box
[05:03] <nixternal> 2941kB/s
[05:03] <nixternal> gotta love that
[05:04] <nixternal> umm, I take it I shouldn't be dist-upgrading in jaunty yet, as it wants to remove a bunch of stuff
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Like Gnome?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> How's that month of Gnome
[05:05] <nixternal> LaserJock: what do you want me to check out?
[05:05] <nixternal> ScottK: I can't install python-kde4 as it is already installed and is being held back
[05:05] <nixternal> dist-upgrade wants to remove a lot of stuff that I don't want being removed right now
[05:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: what Scott said
[05:05] <ScottK> OK.  Can haz lizt?
[05:05] <nixternal> seems like the kde4.2 stuff hasn't all built yet
[05:06] <nixternal> !paste
[05:06] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you that python-kde4-dev installed ?
[05:06] <nixternal> no
[05:06] <LaserJock> nixternal: what does it say when you just do apt-get upgrade python-kde4 ?
[05:06] <nixternal> n
[05:06] <nixternal> err
[05:07] <nixternal> wrong keyboard
[05:07] <ScottK> LaserJock: If he tries to install the -dev I think the list of what it wants to remove will be very instructive.
[05:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:07] <nixternal> I just installed python-kde4-dev without any problems
[05:08] <ScottK> Argh.
[05:08] <ScottK> OK.  Then the what it wants to remove if you upgrad python-kde4?
[05:08] <ScottK> upgrad/upgrade
[05:08] <nixternal> python-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.96) but 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:09] <nixternal> interesting
[05:10] <nixternal> dist-upgrade == kdebase-workspace-bin kdeplasma-addons kubuntu-desktop ---- REMOVED
[05:10] <LaserJock> ah hah
[05:10] <LaserJock> kdebase-runtime is not built
[05:10] <nixternal> well that's not good
[05:10] <LaserJock> it's still in the queue
[05:11] <LaserJock> so when that gets built then python-kde4 becomes installable and kdebase-workspace will build :-)
[05:11] <ScottK> That's not so bad.
[05:12] <ScottK> NCommander: I looked at the armel build failure log for kde4libs.  i saw qreal and flet.  How's your armel box doing now?
[05:13] <NCommander> 59%
[05:13] <LaserJock> kdebase-runtime's ETA is 8 hours and kdebase-workspace's is 11 hours
[05:13] <NCommander> It will be at the point of failure tommorow
[05:16] <ScottK> LaserJock: We could ask Hobbsee to rescore them.
[05:16] <LaserJock> as long as they get scored together
[05:16] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:18]  * ScottK knows exactly how many uploads he did today because he got one armel build failure mail per upload.
[05:19] <LaserJock> heh
[05:46] <Tm_T> #313318
[05:46] <Tm_T> hm
[05:46] <Tm_T> bug #313318
[06:01] <DaSkreech> ooooh new KDM wallpaper
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Does it make sense to make a post about the RC ?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hrm?
[06:36] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Please?
[06:37]  * ScottK guesses those builds are currently on the critical path for the Alpha release.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ScottK: what do you care about?  armel?
[06:38] <ScottK> Hobbsee: amd64.  kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i see.
[06:39] <ScottK> We're currently totally dean on armel due to kde4libs FTBFS that needs someone who actually knows what they are doing to fix (i.e. not me).
[06:39] <ScottK> dean/dead
[06:40] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[06:41] <Hobbsee> NCommander: can't fix it, i take it
[06:41]  * Hobbsee inserts a $, to make the script work better.
[06:41] <ScottK> NCommander is having armel hardware problems.
[06:42] <ScottK> No one else working on Kubuntu has any AFAIK.
[06:42]  * Hobbsee scratches head
[06:42] <Hobbsee> oh.  I think hte heat is effecting me.
[06:49] <NCommander> ScottK, its working fine
[06:49] <NCommander> ScottK, I just had an out of date compiler
[06:49] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:49] <NCommander> ScottK, and I just confirmed the FTBFS :-)
[06:49] <NCommander> Now to cook a fix
[06:49] <ScottK> Excellent.
[06:50] <ScottK> Maybe you should email StevenK first and see if he'd rather do it himself?
[06:52] <NCommander> Wait, StevenK already working on this?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> define this?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: how hot is it?
[06:55] <NCommander> Hobbsee, ARM portability fixes
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Which city?
[06:55] <ScottK> NCommander: No.  It was a snarky comment about his comments on your core-dev app.
[06:56] <NCommander> ScottK, Steve is perfectly entitled to his opinions.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: 38C, give or take?
[06:56] <NCommander> I may not like the, but I'm not going to ignore criticism when I hear it.
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm only 26 degrees here
[06:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Certainly.  I'm just not a big fan of this particular one (usually I tend to agree with him).  All your 'failures' did was burn up a little buildd time.  In the end you succeeded and the alternative was no KDE on armel.
[06:57] <ScottK> Certainly learning is good, but that doesn't diminish the value of what you did.
[06:57] <NCommander> Well, the job got done anyway
[06:58] <ScottK> Exactly.
[06:58] <NCommander> and in a few weeks, the point will be mute; I'll be able to upload to the KDE repos
[06:58] <NCommander> ScottK, granted, the sanity KDE took with me I may never recover from, but at least upstream is slowly getting our patches merged
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i've been meaning to reply to that core dev app
[06:59]  * NCommander wonders if Hobbsee is planning to put another torpedo in it
[06:59] <Hobbsee> NCommander: well, i agree with some of his points.
[06:59] <NCommander> Hobbsee, as do I
[06:59] <DaSkreech> What on earth is vegan fruit ?
[07:00] <NCommander> DaSkreech, fruit not fertelized with animal parts, or droppings
[07:00] <DaSkreech> So it's fertilized without fertilizer ?
[07:00] <NCommander> Hobbsee, I agree too, else the email sent to Steve would have me OMG YOUR WRONG, sorta thing.
[07:00] <NCommander> DaSkreech, you can use compost like other planets, but pretty much
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Isn't that like what started mad cow disease? :)
[07:01] <Hobbsee> NCommander: you seem to jump from shiny to shiny, and once you're a core developer, you can implement more things that you're interested in, but there's less of a guarentee that you'll keep doing them.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> and I see your arguments, in terms of helping others out
[07:01] <Hobbsee> but it's the projects that you might lead yourself that's concerning
[07:01] <ScottK> DaSkreech: No that was having cows eat dead cow parts.
[07:02] <NCommander> ScottK, that's where mad cow came from (or well, cows eating sheep)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah well vegan fruit is having plants eat dead plants
[07:02] <Hobbsee> although, presumably, as you're contracted to work for canonical now, you will have to spend the time consistently on the areas that you're involved in.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> so perhaps it's less risky now.
[07:02]  * NCommander swears
[07:02] <NCommander> How'd that slip out into the community?
[07:02]  * Hobbsee raises an eyebrow
[07:03] <Hobbsee> if you're giving activity reports in public meetings, what do you expect to happen?
[07:03] <NCommander> Who's awake at 8am EST :-P
[07:03] <ScottK> \o
[07:03] <Hobbsee> community members don't just give activity reports, unless they either work at canonical, or are contracted.  duh.
[07:03] <NCommander> Hobbsee, -_-;, I was trying not to say anything
[07:04] <NCommander> contracted to work for canonical now - I'm not contracted anyway; I'm employeed
[07:05] <NCommander> Hobbsee, mostly because thats the point, people treat you differently when you work for the powers that be.
[07:05] <NCommander> Its subtle, but the difference does exist.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> NCommander: understandable.  It makes a difference on your core dev app though
[07:05] <NCommander> Hobbsee, as a general rule of thumb, I want to get by on merits, and talents, not because i get a paycheck
[07:06] <NCommander> There is a reason my @canonical.com email isn't on LP, or been used on any public list.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> NCommander: well, I can't really see the point of officially replying to it.  If you're a part of the evil empire, you'll need the powers, and you're probably technically good enough to get them.  If you screw up a cd build or something, then they'll have your mobiel number to call you up and yell at you, and tell you to fix it by a particular time, so it's probably safe for you to get core dev ;)
[07:09] <NCommander> Hobbsee, nah, they'll just pay to send Steve to my apartment
[07:10] <Hobbsee> from australia?  unlikely.
[07:10] <NCommander> heh
[07:10] <ScottK> nixternal lives closer and since he's from Chicago, he probably has a side business 'straightening people out'.
[07:11] <NCommander> ScottK, nixternal doesn't work for Canonical unless I missed a memo
[07:11] <NCommander> Or at least as far as I know doesn't work
[07:11] <ScottK> Right.  To straighten someone out you usually use an outside contactor.
[07:11] <ScottK> Plausible deniability and all that.
[07:12] <NCommander> ScottK, eh, there enough people who hate me that it would be possible to find someone to do it pro bono
[07:12] <ScottK> Or take up a collection.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> no no I think that pro bono is fine for me
[07:16] <DaSkreech> I'll take that collection though
[07:17]  * ScottK needs to get to bed.
[07:17] <ScottK> Good night all.
[07:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks for the rescores.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: y/w
[07:55] <Riddell> morning
[07:57] <DaSkreech> morning
[07:57] <Riddell> I wonder if something interesting will be announced today
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Too late
[07:58] <Riddell> yeah well let's not talk about the bad people who can't wait
[08:00] <Riddell> there it is
[08:00] <Riddell> http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt     Qt LGPL'ed
[08:08] <Riddell> ~twitter update Qt to be LGPL!
[08:08] <kubotu> status updated
[08:12] <DaSkreech> Is MSN working In the RC packages?
[08:13] <Riddell> no
[08:15] <DaSkreech> is there a time line for it to work?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy says the notes specifically said  that MSN doesn't work for jaunty
[08:16] <DaSkreech> kmail crashes on mail check for me
[08:16] <Riddell> I'll just promote libmsn after the alpha, they've had long enough to review
[08:16] <DaSkreech> *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)
[08:19] <Ch1ppy> Hey, it seems that kopete was compiled without MSN support in the RC, but this isn't reflected in the release announcement. One or the other should be fixed...
[08:20] <Ch1ppy> It's extremely irritating for me because I explicitly looked for it and upgraded on seeing nothing about it, but now there's no way back
[08:21] <Riddell> Ch1ppy: it's alpha software, we'll get it working today or tomorrow
[08:21] <Ch1ppy> Riddell: Alpha software? It's an RC??
[08:21] <Riddell> Jaunty Alpha 3 out tomorrow
[08:21] <Ch1ppy> oh, sorry
[08:21] <Ch1ppy> In Intrepid
[08:23] <roccolord> kmail crashes on startup on 8.10 with 4.2rc packages, worked fine in beta2
[08:23] <roccolord> 3 different imap accounts, akonodi 1.10
[08:23] <DaSkreech> roccolord: What error message from console?
[08:23] <Ch1ppy> Riddell: The release announcement does say that MSN support isn't in Jaunty though; if I were running that I would have abstained for that reason
[08:24] <roccolord> ** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)
[08:24] <roccolord> KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing...
[08:24] <roccolord> sock_file=/home/robert/.kde/socket-vostro2/kdeinit4__0
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Same here
[08:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: reuploaded policykit-kde, libpackagekit and kpackagekit
[08:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: they all are in NEW (I know we-re frozen...)
[08:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: and this time I took up the time to do things correctly.... sorry for yesterday, but my concentration was really bad :)
[08:29] <roccolord> neponuk crashes on startup
[08:29] <roccolord>   477.847643] nepomukservices[6427]: segfault at 4 ip b7db07e2 sp bf9bc7a0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7d5d000+225000]
[08:29] <Tonio_> mbiebl: hey ! long time no see :)
[08:29] <Tonio_> mbiebl: have you tried playing with the network-manager plasmoid for kde4 ?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Hmm i've never gotten nepomuk or strigi to work
[08:29] <mbiebl> Tonio_: hi
[08:30] <mbiebl> Tonio_: no, I'm still using KDE 3
[08:30]  * mbiebl waiting for getting lenny released
[08:30] <Tonio_> mbiebl: oki... I wanted to get some bugs confirmed somehow :)
[08:34] <Tonio_> hi Lure
[08:34] <Tonio_> Lure: any plans to work on k3b ? I'm currently praparing the kde4 version a testing package...
[08:34] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[08:35] <Lure> Tonio_: not until from-SVN works for me
[08:35] <Lure> Tonio_: currently is pretty useless
[08:35] <Tonio_> true that :)
[08:36] <Tonio_> It's beeing reported to work for most people.... and preparing the package is nevertheless a waste of time :)
[08:36] <Lure> Tonio_: it looks to me that something is wrong with K3Process (execution of external commands)
[08:37] <Lure> so it might not be much to make it work
[08:37] <Lure> but I do not have time to look into it until end-Jan, as I want to work on some feature for KIPI-Plugins first
[08:37] <Lure> Tonio_: but I am availble for testing you packages ;-)
[08:38] <Tonio_> Lure: yep I'll let you the work on kipi-plugins :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> Lure: digikam is to be concerned for packaging too :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll ping allee on that point
[08:38] <Lure> Tonio_: I work on KDE-svn, and updating digikam/kipi-plugins is not an issue
[08:38] <Lure> even less as it is in universe ;-)
[08:38] <Lure> so I can upload alone
[08:38] <Lure> digikam is already in
[08:39] <Lure> merged with debian/experimental
[08:39] <Lure> RC is planned for en of month and I will update it
[08:39] <Tonio_> hum nice :)
[08:39]  * Tonio_ will have to consider a kubufox package too...
[08:39] <DaSkreech> WE have that?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Make it suggested :-D
[08:40] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that's something I want to make, with oxygen theme packaged and so on
[08:41] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: I already have a prototype that pretty much works :)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Neat :)
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Submit it to the firefox-qt project
[09:17] <knusperfrosch> what's going wrong here? http://imagebin.org:80/35753
[09:18] <knusperfrosch> adept lost it's icons too, it uses the computer-icon too in systray
[09:19] <jussi01> can anyone give me an update on where the RC! intrepid amd64 packagezs are at? dont want to kill things yet
[09:32] <Tonio_> do other people here have issues with mysql-server 5.1 preinst script ?
[10:14] <doc__> hi there
[10:16] <DaSkreech> hi
[10:37] <knusperfrosch> apachelogger: anything i have to care about before switching to kde-nightly?
[11:16] <mok0> Ydrk I just installed intrepid KDE-4.2 from the ppa and now I don't have a window manager anymore
[11:17] <mok0> Any suggestions?
[11:17] <mok0> I don't have a choise of "KDE" on the login screen
[11:23] <Nightrose> Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdewallpapers_4%3a4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_all.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/wallpapers/Golden_Ripples/metadata.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-wallpapers.
[11:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: JontheEchidna ^
[11:24] <Tm_T> there's more
[11:24] <Tm_T> libmsn is missing, roight?
[12:06] <nhandler> vorian: kdenetwork is fixed
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: partitionmanager beta1 is out
[12:19] <Tonio_> apachelogger: want me to update your experimental package and submit it to review ?
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed all the 3 packages, they must be okay now.... sorry for yesterday.... that was a bad day :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the thing I'm supposed to understand today public yet ? :)
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also, I've been testing k3b 2 and got pretty goot results.... packaging on the way
[12:30] <torkiano> Tonio_: I updated your page about a kubuntu VoIP solution, there are interesting changes ;-)
[12:31] <roccolord> Could someone with access update http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1, and state that msn in kopete isn't supported on 8.10 either, if that is intended.
[12:32] <Tonio_> torkiano: will have a look :)
[12:35] <torkiano> also, i've submited an idea to ubuntu brainstorm to improve VoIP in kubuntu. Anyone interested: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17266/
[12:35] <roccolord> sorry I see that this is fixed now, msn is working proper again
[12:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt
[12:35] <Tm_T> aye
[12:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, I'm sending a mail to our bdfl about few things, something I should keep in mind?
[12:38] <Riddell> Tm_T: to Mark?  what are you saying?
[12:38] <torkiano> Riddell: Wow, there isn't excuses to utilize GTK now XD
[12:39] <Riddell> certainly not
[12:39] <torkiano> I like this: "Qt source code repositories will be made publicly available and will encourage contributions from desktop and embedded developer communities"
[12:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: about summers Assembly event, inviting him to join us there (he wanted to be there so...) also one personal thing
[12:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, something I should say about our team too?
[12:40] <apachelogger> Tonio_: sure
[12:41] <torkiano> And why LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3?
[12:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh and also about Linux in schools issues
[12:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: tell him nice quote on the Nokia press release :)
[12:41] <Riddell> torkiano: to be compatible with GPL 2
[12:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, will do
[12:42] <torkiano> but Qt is under GPL3, isn't it?
[12:42] <Tm_T> now reboot to updated KDE ->
[12:42] <roccolord> Would it possible to rebuild kmail with http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=908525, to stop imap crasher, looks to be backported 4.2 after freeze.
[12:42] <Riddell> torkiano: 2 and 3
[12:42] <mok0> Just hosed my system trying to install 4.2
[12:43] <apachelogger> worked like a charm here
[12:44] <mok0> apachelogger: on intrepid?
[12:46] <mok0> I'm back on 4.1 -- after a terrible ordeal -- it'll be a while before I attempt THAT again
[12:47] <torkiano> Riddell: you are true. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility
[12:47] <nixternal> http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2009/01/14/qt-lgpl - ouch
[12:49] <apachelogger> mok0: jaunty
[12:49] <mok0> apachelogger: ah
[12:49] <Riddell> nixternal: ouch?
[12:49] <mok0> apachelogger: I'm not brave enough to upgrade my production system to jauty
[12:50]  * Riddell wonders if nixternal reads planet gnome first thing in the morning
[12:50] <nixternal> Riddell: all the comments
[12:50] <nixternal> it is in my google reader
[12:50] <nixternal> i read that every morning for about 20 minutes before I leave for work
[12:51] <Riddell> nixternal: comments seem good
[12:51] <nixternal> for Qt :)
[12:52] <nixternal> qt is teh winnah...at work we have a java based client for our grid, and it was the ugliest thing ever...jambi fixed that up
[12:52]  * nixternal gets ready to leave...have a nice day everyone!
[12:53] <vorian> morning
[12:54] <nhandler> Hey vorian
[12:56] <apachelogger> people
[12:56] <apachelogger> take a look at Qt's keymapping stuff
[13:01] <Tm_T> nixternal: interesting this is: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-devel-list/2008-July/msg00027.html
[13:02]  * apachelogger certainly flames KDE
[13:04] <Tm_T> actually that's what I have been through, GNOME/GTK people keep spreading FUD and refuse to find out facts
[13:09] <apachelogger> Tm_T: lets do the same
[13:09] <apachelogger> GNOME stopped development when Qt got dual licensing :P
[13:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm rejecting kpackagekit and libpackagekit-qt, but you have to promise not to be over appologetic!
[13:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: just needs the COPYING file added
[13:12] <apachelogger> :)
[13:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I rather not
[13:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom, you are no fun :P
[13:16] <Tm_T> I know
[13:16] <Tm_T> but I'm so old!
[13:16] <Tm_T> even my CV says I'm 113 years old
[13:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:20] <apachelogger> omg
[13:30] <Riddell> Depends: python-qt4, python-kde4 (<< 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1.1~)    huh?
[13:31] <Tm_T> what is our status of libmsn in ibex?
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I threw network up for a rebuild because we forgot to re-add libmsn support when we backported
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: ^
[13:31] <vorian> JontheEchidna: ahhh
[13:31] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ah thanks
[13:32] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: we had a flood of questions in #kubuntu because of that =)
[13:32] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: we have newest hottest svn libmsn?
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah yeah.... :P
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:32] <Tm_T> well, then it might break
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> rly?
[13:33] <Tm_T> well, it doesn't handle url forwards properly
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> doh
[13:33] <Tm_T> so if MSN servers does it again, it's broken
[13:33] <Tm_T> as recently happened
[13:33] <vorian> JontheEchidna: thanks
[13:33]  * vorian runs away for a few hours
[13:34] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: uno momento...
[13:34] <Riddell> libmsn beta 3 was ment to be out yesterday
[13:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and you are calling perfectionist :)
[13:35] <Tonio_> calling "me" :)
[13:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, _salem haven't mentioned, I'll ask
[13:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll get that fixed upstream and will repackage then :)
[13:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have time to get those in the archives...
[13:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't have amd64 here, so I can't check it, but I think we may have somehow got a circular build-dep between kde4bindings and kdebase-workspace.
[13:38] <apachelogger> bindings builds just fine
[13:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: upstream already have a COPYING file but the tars are only part of the repository so you need to make tars with the COPYING file in them
[13:38] <ScottK> Err. not build-dep, but depends.
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: by the looks of it nhandler copied over a kdenetwork that has msn support a few hours ago
[13:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: I don't see any in the bzr diff
[13:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it
[13:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: But then it wants to install something from workspace that isn't built yet.
[13:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you recommend to just patch or rebuild the tarballs ?
[13:39] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: hmm, libmsn release tonight
[13:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: wouldn't it whine about that?
[13:39] <ScottK> Which is why python-kde4 isn't installable.
[13:39] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase-workspace  works fine in my AMD64 chroot
[13:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: rebuild then tars
[13:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd say rebuilding, but as the policy is very flexible on that point...
[13:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you install python-kde4 there?
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: probably going to need to update that then rebuild kdenetwork
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: yes and python-kde4-dev
[13:39] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: indeed
[13:40] <ScottK> OK.  It's officially weird then.
[13:40] <apachelogger> maybe the buildds are broken :P
[13:40] <ScottK> Last night nixternal couldn't install it.  Maybe something fixed in the meantime.
[13:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: We know they're broken, they're part of Launchpad.
[13:40] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:41] <apachelogger> poor launchpad always gets a beating
[13:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think it was a publishing problem
[13:42] <apachelogger> pykde4 is arch any and -dev is arch all IIRC
[13:42] <Riddell> I'm doing a rebuild of kdebase-workspace on amd64 for luck
[13:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: so we are still without bluetooth in KDE, roight?
[13:43] <apachelogger> if someone feels like uploading && testing: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu
[13:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's correct.
[13:43]  * apachelogger is in a meeting right now
[13:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: best try asking in #kdebluetooth
[13:45] <vorian> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104835/ That is in my clean pbuilder
[13:45] <vorian> amd64
[13:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: ooh, there's that kind of channel too, thanks
[13:45]  * vorian is waiting too
[13:47] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: did you push fixed Qt to intrepid or somewhere?
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> nope, got distracted
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> :-(
[13:48] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: np, just wondering
[13:48] <Riddell> what needed fixed?
[13:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: patch added from qt-copy
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: clearFocus crash patch
[13:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: already in jaunty
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> 0260 by qt-copy numbering
[13:49] <Tm_T> so it's about backporting I guess
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> me doesn't have time to do it right now
[13:52]  * JontheEchidna doesn't have time to do it right now
[13:56] <Tonio_> torkiano: is kcall for kde4 correctly maintained ?
[13:56] <Tonio_> no news or announcement on the website since 2008/07...
[13:59]  * ScottK relaxes and enjoys the complaints on #amarok about Fedora needing to update their packages ....
[14:00] <Tm_T> haha
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: btw, we beat suse to 4.1.96 too ^_^
[14:01]  * ScottK also wonders how NCommander is doing on kde4libs qreal fixoring.
[14:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not yet on amd64.
[14:02] <apachelogger> and who's fault is that?
[14:02] <apachelogger> right, launchpads :P
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> closed-source soyuz's, to be specific
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> closed-source python soyuz's :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> that said
[14:04] <apachelogger> someone take kubuntu-dev-tools for a test ride
[14:04]  * apachelogger did theoretical changes again
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> it's one component they're not gonna open source when LP goes open source
[14:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Which means it's not actually going open source.
[14:05]  * ScottK does wonder if it's for business reasons or to avoid embarassment.
[14:05] <apachelogger> well, if you find a good enough chain of security leaks you can easy enough poision the whole ubuntu archive I guess
[14:06] <apachelogger> any other reason than that would be embarassing itself :P
[14:06] <ScottK> It's built off of the Debian tools which seem to go OK (except once) in that regard.
[14:07] <apachelogger> debian's it not connected to the rest of launchpad though ;-)
[14:08] <ScottK> Well soyuz isn't particularly.  The integration bits (bugs closed in changelog for example) Debian typically has too.
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> I"m getting kdesdk updates from an intrepid ppa on my jaunty mahcine
[14:09] <apachelogger> haha, openoffice just killed the lead marketing dude's laptopb
[14:09] <apachelogger> <3 work meetings
[14:09] <roccolord> please rebuild kmail with http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=908525 fix, as it doesn't work well with certain imap folder
[14:10] <apachelogger> please repot a bug, as we don't have builtin bug tracking systems. thank you.
[14:10]  * Riddell retries kdesdk on jaunty
[14:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess it also failed due to pykde?
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> ah, that's probably why, kdesdk ftbfs
[14:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, mysql
[14:10] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:11] <apachelogger> how does sdk relate to mysql?
[14:11] <Riddell> libsvn brings in something which brings in libmysqlclient-dev
[14:11] <Riddell> which should be 5.0 but got overwritten by mysql 5.1 when it shouldn't have
[14:11] <apachelogger> mysql is everywhere it seems
[14:11] <Riddell> certainly is
[14:12] <ScottK> This concerns me.
[14:12]  * ScottK is not a super duper database expert.
[14:12] <roccolord> apachelogger: where should bugs agains 4.2rc packages for intrepid be reported?
[14:12] <Tm_T> mySQL isn't that good anymore, since Monty isn't leading
[14:12]  * ScottK has been involved in projects with people who had a REALLY deep understanding of RDBMS stuff.
[14:13] <ScottK> They always picked postgresql over mysql.
[14:13]  * ScottK hopes it all works out.
[14:13] <Tm_T> ScottK: indeed
[14:13] <apachelogger> roccolord: there is a project for it ... but you can report it against the regular package, since it is an upstream issue and thus applies to both intrepid and jaunty anyway
[14:13] <Sput> postgres scales much better
[14:13] <roccolord> apachelogger: OK thanks.
[14:14] <Tm_T> yay! we are smarter now!
[14:14]  * Tm_T hides
[14:14] <Riddell> postgres presumably isn't as easy to use embedded in the way that apps now need it
[14:14] <ScottK> Dunno.
[14:14] <jussi01> Tm_T: hows qt 4.5 coming on?
[14:15] <Tm_T> jussi01: no luck here, I ran out of skills and time with it
[14:15] <Riddell> debian updated packaging for 4.5
[14:15] <jussi01> Tm_T: did you pass it on to someone? is anyone working on it?
[14:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: have to look that, thanks
[14:15] <Tm_T> jussi01: apachelogger (:
[14:15] <Riddell> in svn.debian.org somewhere
[14:15] <Riddell> jussi01: Qt is feeling more permissive today :)
[14:15]  * apachelogger needs to shoot himself
[14:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: aye, have to look at how they do it
[14:16]  * Riddell takes apachelogger's gun away
[14:16] <apachelogger> meh
[14:16]  * apachelogger has to do UNO coding for the rest of the month
[14:16] <jussi01> Riddell: :)
[14:16]  * ScottK has an extra deck of Uno cards around here somewhere.
[14:16] <apachelogger> not that kind of uno
[14:16] <ScottK> Harry Potter theme I think.
[14:16]  * jussi01 is happy then... sooner we get qt 4.5, the sooner we get konq + webkit + flash
[14:16] <apachelogger> the ooo uno
[14:16] <Tm_T> jussi01: indeed
[14:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: =)
[14:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: I know, but misunderstanding is more fun.
[14:17] <apachelogger> no
[14:17] <apachelogger> nothing about uno is fun
[14:17] <apachelogger> _nothing_
[14:17] <smarter> heya
[14:17]  * smarter has more troubles than ever with his connection
[14:17]  * smarter is interested in qt 4.5 :]
[14:17] <apachelogger> smarter: is it running uno?
[14:18] <Tm_T> smarter: so am I
[14:18] <apachelogger> corba is more fun than uno
[14:18] <apachelogger> and it is documented
[14:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, nhandler: please rebuild $plasmoids if possible
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ScottK and vorian did so last night
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: They're all done.  We just need to wait for NCommander to fix armel so we can retry every stinking one of them.
[14:32] <Riddell> "sebas-kde extended their membership"  yay sebas still loves us
[14:32] <sebas> Of course I do :)
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: intrepid
[14:33] <sebas> Riddell: thanks for the Dot post btw
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we've done all the ones in the ppa
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> rsibreak, quickaccess
[14:33]  * apachelogger hands cookies to Riddell and sebas
[14:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ok, just read a bug report about ABI borkage crash
[14:33] <apachelogger> not that I care though :P
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> the ones from the intrepid main repos should be removed since they need libplasma2
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> *intrepid universe,
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> in a proper upgrade libplasma2 is removed
[14:35] <apachelogger> yay
[14:35] <apachelogger> kmail crash
[14:36] <smarter> oh my, you get offline 6 hours and next thing you know, qt goes lgpl
[14:39] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I'm getting tomorrow this kind of wintercoat: http://www.varusteleka.eu/prebeo/pictures/2534.jpg
[14:39] <ScottK> So I'm testing a quassel package that all you have to do is connect to freenode (pre-loaded - just click connect) and you land in #kubuntu.
[14:39] <ScottK> Works.
[14:39] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ - You can put a check in the box by that one.
[14:39] <jussi01> ScottK: super!
[14:41] <apachelogger> Tm_T: doesn't look very lady-like
[14:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: either do I, son
[14:42] <apachelogger> true, mom
[14:42]  * Tm_T is old sportslady from DDR
[14:42] <Tm_T> moustache and all
[14:43] <apachelogger> rofl
[14:51] <Sput> \o/
[14:55] <ScottK> Sput: Do you have a sense for if you are going to do any more client <-> core protocol incompatible changes before 0.4 release?
[14:55] <Sput> I'll relay that question
[14:56] <Tm_T> Sput: Quassel, right?
[14:56] <ScottK> Sput: Thanks.
[14:57] <apachelogger> h
[14:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we are being redundant :P
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> we are?
[14:57] <apachelogger> aye
[14:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also commented on the kstart bug
[14:57] <Sput> Tm_T: yeah
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: quick bug resolution ftw
[14:59] <apachelogger> ok
[14:59] <apachelogger> seriously
[14:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: stop that
[14:59]  * apachelogger just commented on the kgamma bug
[14:59] <Tm_T> stop what?
[14:59] <apachelogger> luckily konqueror ate it
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I commented on that like an hour ago o.O
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> btw, amarok 2.0 got kubuntu-bugs down to 1587 bugs
[15:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I have reduced time experience
[15:00]  * apachelogger is high on caffaine and listening to loads of marketing analysis
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> heh
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> that Gerald dude is weird
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> *Gerard
[15:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just commented
[15:05] <ScottK> yesterday's quassel snapshot uploaded to Jaunty and my ppa for Intrepid.
[15:06] <ScottK> Sput: ^^
[15:06]  * JontheEchidna is wondering what abi-incompatible plasmoids there are for intrepid
[15:06] <Sput> ScottK: cooool, thx :)
[15:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: At a guess, all of them.
[15:06] <ScottK> At least without a rebuild.
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: we rebuilt the libplasma3-compatible ones we offer in the ppa
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> all others should be libplasma2 ones that are removed upon upgrading to libplasma3
[15:07] <ScottK> But I don't think we did them all.
[15:07] <ScottK> Some of the libplamsa2 ones could be updated
[15:07] <ScottK> KDE commit 91098
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: they enabled the super-busted knetworkconf kcm module :/
[15:08]  * ScottK thought we had a bot that knew those.
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: complete with crystalsvg icon fail
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> v.v
[15:08] <apachelogger> well
[15:08] <apachelogger> we are there again
[15:08] <apachelogger> there is stuff I don't care about
[15:08] <apachelogger> and there is stuff I didn't know I could not care about
[15:09] <apachelogger> clearly the latter again
[15:10] <apachelogger> why the kdenetwork maintainer even lets knetworkconf getting released isn't clear to me
[15:10] <apachelogger> like not at all
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> iirc, the bug report about the epic fail hasn't even been touched
[15:12] <smarter> people are actually maintaining kdenetwork? :P
[15:13]  * apachelogger pokes smarter in the eye
[15:13] <apachelogger> krdc is a decent app again
[15:13] <apachelogger> kopete is also getting there
[15:13] <smarter> oh right
[15:13] <smarter> it rocks
[15:13] <smarter> they both rocks actually
[15:13] <smarter> *rock even
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163578
[15:14] <smarter> we should probably disable it in systemsettings
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> it was disabled before due to a bug in the .desktop file
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:15] <apachelogger> aye
[15:15] <smarter> hehe
[15:15] <apachelogger> how about dropping the package?
[15:15] <smarter> also, something I was thinking about earlier, couldn't we integrate our various config apps into systemsettings?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> there might be enough info in the KDE bug to actually fix it
[15:15] <apachelogger> not worth
[15:16] <apachelogger> fixing the xml is pretty easy actually
[15:16] <apachelogger> but then starts the real fun, because the actual scripts are as broken
[15:16] <apachelogger> in both cases it's wrong parsing of $something IIRC
[15:16] <smarter> at least jockey, and the printer applet config
[15:17] <apachelogger> smarter: JontheEchidna is working on jockey
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> smarter: both are being worked on
[15:17] <ScottK> smarter: I think all it takes is someone to do the work.
[15:17] <smarter> they're hard to find with the kickoff menu imho
[15:17] <smarter> cool
[15:17] <apachelogger> talking about work
[15:17] <apachelogger> can we please do a bug triage weekend or something?
[15:18]  * apachelogger thinks about closing bugs he can't understand
[15:19] <apachelogger> oh funnies
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it appears knetworkconf gets dragged in on jaunty
[15:20] <apachelogger> no clue by what though
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Reverse Depends:
[15:20] <JontheEchidna>   ichthux-desktop
[15:20] <JontheEchidna>   kdeadmin
[15:21]  * JontheEchidna is really puzzled now
[15:21] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe it somehow was added to the CD seed
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> maybeh
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: more redundency
[15:22] <apachelogger> lol
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> though the samba authentication works for me (tm)
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> System Settings -> Sharing
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> trying to find that is how I stumbled upon knetworkconf
[15:24]  * apachelogger also thinks about shooting everyone who subscribes ubuntu-core-dev to a bug
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> lmao @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/259181/comments/13
[15:27]  * JontheEchidna away for a bit
[15:31] <delicowa> i already own a launchpad account.thats cos i wanna start helping out with kde.....how do i get assigned to tasks
[15:32] <apachelogger> delicowa: by signing up to them ;-)
[15:32] <apachelogger> delicowa: also, what kind of tasks?
[15:33] <delicowa> bug fixing documentations and stuffs
[15:35] <apachelogger> "stuffs" is not very precise ;-)
[15:35] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta go, or I'll miss the train
[15:35] <apachelogger> bbiab
[15:37] <delicowa> found what i was looking for wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:50] <ScottK> 4.1.4 is now fully built on i386.  After the next publisher run it ought to be fully installable.
[15:50] <ScottK> amd64 has a long ways to go.  I just retried all the archive skew induced FTBFS.
[15:52] <Riddell> thanks
[15:54] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace built in jaunty on amd64, yay
[15:56] <ScottK> |\O/
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Any idea why it didn't build before?  soyuz insanity?
[15:57] <Riddell> because kdebase-runtime hadn't built on amd64 yet, soyuz could really do with being more intelligent about that
[16:06] <ScottK> rgreening: How's kvirc going?
[16:07] <ScottK> seele: Updated quassel in Jaunty or my PPA for Intrepid has their provide a default channel (#kubuntu) implementation in it.  Might be worth a U/I review since that's one of the major things we wanted.
[16:13]  * ScottK looks at Debian Bug #511169 and considers apachelogger should send a patch ....
[16:15] <LaserJock> ScottK: so is quassel now got a monolithic package around?
[16:16] <ScottK> LaserJock: Yes.  quassel is the monolithic one.
[16:16] <ScottK> There is also quassel-client and quassel-core.
[16:16] <LaserJock> ok, I think I installed -client and -core
[16:17] <ScottK> That will behave slightly differently (not look integrated).
[16:17] <LaserJock> I couldn't figure it out
[16:18] <ScottK> If we go with quassel as the default IRC client, only quassel will be in Main/on the CD.
[16:18] <ScottK> So it should sort itself.
[16:18] <ScottK> mostly ...
[16:18] <LaserJock> ah
[16:19] <LaserJock> well the short descriptions are all the same, it was hard to tell what was what
[16:19] <ScottK> They aren't any more.
[16:19] <LaserJock> i assumed quassel was just a metapackage to get the client/server pulled in
[16:19]  * ScottK fixed them up a bit on the upload over the weekend.
[16:19] <seele> ScottK: how is the default channel configured? config file? or did they have to add a script?
[16:20] <ScottK> seele: Config file that I patched for us.
[16:20] <seele> ok cool
[16:27] <ScottK> Upstream pulled all the nepomuk stuff out of bindings: http://pastebin.com/f63a4dcb2
[16:28] <vorian> \o/
[16:29] <rgreening> ScottK: hopefully wil get a chance to post today/tomorrow. Bogged with $WORK atm
[16:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Great.  No rush.
[16:29] <rgreening> kk
[16:31]  * ScottK decides to try 4.1.4.
[16:37]  * ScottK decided to wait another publisher run ....
[16:38] <EagleScreen> LCD Weather Station plasmoid cause Plasma to crash
[16:38] <EagleScreen> in 4.1.95
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's a Qt bug that needs patched
[16:40] <apachelogger> stupid Qt!
[16:40] <EagleScreen> i have a workaround to use it without crashing
[16:41] <EagleScreen> you set it on Plasma desktop, you configure it, then, woithout pass the mouse over the gidwet, Lock Widgets
[16:42] <EagleScreen> after that you can unlock widgets and move or resize LCD gidget woithout crasing
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> then that's definitely the Qt focus crash
[16:43] <nixternal> PLEASE NO MORE SNOW!!!
[16:43]  * JontheEchidna gets off his ass and prepares an SRU
[16:44] <seele> nixternal: you win. hehe
[16:44] <nixternal> we have around 2 feet right now on the ground and it is still falling
[16:45] <nixternal> tomorrows high == -2c, low == -20c, windchill is supposed to be anywhere from -36c to -50c with blizzard conditions starting tonight
[16:45] <nixternal> my ears hurt, my head hurts...I hurt
[16:45] <seele> nixternal: and you still dont want to move to DC?
[16:45] <nixternal> I am thinking Cuba
[16:45] <Tm_T> nixternal: that's winter, nothing more
[16:46] <EagleScreen> isn there any repository with Kpackagekit to install it in Kubuntu?
[16:55] <vorian> ScottK: the way mysql 5.1 was built will render amarok useless
[16:56] <ScottK> vorian: We need to fix it then.  Let's talk to zul and mathiaz in #ubuntu-server.
[16:56] <LaserJock> vorian: ? this mysql/amarok thing is a real mess
[16:56] <vorian> ok
[16:56] <vorian> LaserJock: yep
[16:57] <vorian> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104894/
[16:58] <vorian> the problem is they are not building the two binaries from 5.1 that amarok needs
[17:05] <vorian> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104892/ something is missing ...
[17:05] <Riddell> vorian: amarok shouldn't need binaries I thought
[17:06] <vorian> the libraries
[17:09] <Riddell> surely the .a file is in libmysqlclient16-dev
[17:09] <Riddell> ?
[17:09] <vorian> Riddell: i'm going over the mysql source now
[17:09] <ScottK> Should be.
[17:10] <ScottK> vorian: debc $BINARYCHANGESFILE.changes is a good, quick way to see what's installed where.
[17:13] <ScottK> 4.1.4 kdepim binaries did land on archive.ubuntu.com after the last publisher run (it was the last package built), so off I go to 4.1.4.
[17:15]  * vorian tries sommiet else
[17:20] <vorian> ok
[17:21] <vorian> the libriaries we need are in libmysqlclient-dev - which is not built at present with 5.1
[17:22]  * vorian wonders if if building libmysqlclient5.1-dev would be an option
[17:22] <Riddell> vorian: libmysqlclient-dev was only ever a dunno package in 5.1, if they're not in  libmysqlclient16-dev they can be put there easily enough
[17:23] <vorian> ok Riddell :)
[17:23] <Riddell> s/dunno/dummy/
[17:23] <smarter> sommiet? :p
[17:23] <vorian> smarter: something
[17:28] <ScottK> 175 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded. Need to get 410MB of archives. <-- 4.1.4.
[17:29] <LaserJock> 30 not upgraded?
[17:30] <Riddell> I do wish it would hurry up and compile on amd64
[17:31]  * apachelogger wishes for more love
[17:32]  * DaSkreech loves apachelogger
[17:37]  * apachelogger hugs DaSkreech and hands him a cookie
[17:38]  * DaSkreech nomnomnomnoms
[17:38]  * apachelogger also hands poor JontheEchidna a cookie
[17:38] <jussi01> !helpersnack | apachelogger
[17:39]  * apachelogger is primarily freezing
[17:39] <jussi01> apachelogger: do you not have heating?
[17:40] <DaSkreech> apachelogger is Hawt all by himself ask his groupies
[17:41] <apachelogger> today I am primarily freezing and grumpy
[17:41] <apachelogger> mostly due to bug 89591
[17:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[17:44]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and gives him a cookie
[17:44] <Nightrose> good reply
[17:45]  * apachelogger munches le cookie
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Ha ha KDE as a cover mocel
[17:45] <DaSkreech> model
[17:45] <apachelogger> it does?
[17:46] <DaSkreech> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/kde-linux-formats-free-software-project.html
[17:46] <DaSkreech> How'd you like to pose apachelogger? :)
[17:47] <apachelogger> hm
[17:48] <apachelogger> certainly could do that
[17:48]  * ScottK reboots.
[17:49]  * claydoh gives apachelogger a dozen cookies and a nice beverage of his choice for that reply
[17:49] <NCommander> apachelogger, ScottK, Riddell: ENEEDSPONSOR
[17:49] <apachelogger> ~order tea, earl grey, hot
[17:49]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger.
[17:49]  * apachelogger hugs claydoh and NCommander
[17:49]  * claydoh gives everyone else a dozen cookies, but no drink :)
[17:49] <apachelogger> NCommander: but why?
[17:49] <NCommander> apachelogger, I got kde4libs on ARM
[17:49] <NCommander> Need sponsor
[17:50] <ScottK> NCommander: Just rebooting into 4.1.4.  If no one else gets it and this works, I'll do it.
[17:50] <apachelogger> are we in hard or soft freeze?
[17:50] <NCommander> Patch kubuntu_01_no_translate_pc_dir.diff does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[17:50] <NCommander> Oh, right freeze
[17:50] <NCommander> nm
[17:50] <NCommander> Ugh
[17:50] <NCommander> Who broke the build's clean rules
[17:50]  * apachelogger points at someone
[17:52] <NCommander> Bugger ...
[17:52] <NCommander> Clean rule is *really* broken
[17:53] <Riddell> NCommander: that'll be the add translation domain to .desktop files issue
[17:53] <NCommander> Yeah, but it doesn't unapply cleanly
[17:53] <Riddell> it tries to unpatch before doing the necessary cleaning, I havn't worked out how to fix that
[17:54] <NCommander> So, ignore it?
[17:54] <Riddell> sh /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/findfiles LIST;  for file in `cat LIST`; do sed -i '/X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=/d' ${file}; done
[17:54] <Riddell> NCommander: that should fix it ^^
[17:54] <NCommander> Riddell, please just commit that fix to the SVN repo :-)?
[17:54] <NCommander> er BZR
[17:54] <NCommander> wow
[17:54] <NCommander> I'm out of it
[17:55] <Riddell> NCommander: what fix?  it has to be run by hand
[17:55] <Riddell> that what kde4.mk runs, it just runs it at the wrong time
[17:55] <Riddell> or it does the patch removal at the wrong time
[18:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: whom do we have to vote for TB position?
[18:02] <DaSkreech> Anyone uses yakuake?
[18:02]  * apachelogger is getting annoyed by it :P
[18:02] <ScottK> Riddell: How do you feel about a freeze exception for kde4libs?
[18:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Kees or cjwatson.
[18:02] <apachelogger> well, whom of the two :P
[18:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: that wouldn't make much sense, would it?
[18:03]  * ScottK is back on 4.1.4.
[18:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: libs without the other stuff doesn't have any advantage
[18:03] <Riddell> ScottK: what's the rationale?  so NCommander can get on with fixing more ARM stuff?
[18:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[18:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: No way to know what else is broken until we get that done.
[18:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure, but we can as well do that on friday
[18:04] <ScottK> OTOH, we aren't at all close to having final Kubuntu CDs, so there's no real harm.
[18:05] <Riddell> I'm tempted to start spinning CDs and seeing what results
[18:05] <ScottK> I think spinning i386 live and alternate is reasonable right now.
[18:06] <Riddell> ScottK: well, fine with me but ask on #ubuntu-release since they might object to buildds being blocked
[18:06] <ScottK> OK.
[18:06] <ScottK> Will do.
[18:06]  * apachelogger finds that a reasonable objection
[18:06] <NCommander> ScottK, kde4libs-0ubuntu2 is on its way to my PPA
[18:10] <ScottK> NCommander: We need to wait for the Alpha freeze to end.
[18:11] <NCommander> ScottK, I know, I'm using the opportunity to rebuild in pbuilder ;-)
[18:39] <ScottK> So far 4.1.4 seems reasonably good.  The only issue I'm having that could be a regression are some odd edge effects in Firefox that I find very distracting.
[18:39] <ScottK> http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/edge-effects.pdf gives you an idea.
[18:40] <ScottK> Suggestions on what might cause that?
[18:41] <Riddell> ScottK: I've always had that with the gtk-qt4-engine
[18:41] <vorian> me too
[18:42] <vorian> i use qtcuve in my gtk style
[18:42] <vorian> it solves the problem nicely
[18:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:43]  * ScottK tries.
[18:44] <ScottK> Ah.  I remember now.
[18:44]  * ScottK clicked on the little 'install scrollbar fix' in system settings and this is my first restart since.
[18:49] <ScottK> vorian: qtcurve is better.  Thanks.
[18:49] <ScottK> Riddell: So no obvious regressions in 4.1.4.  It feels faster.  That might just be because I hadn't rebooted for weeks.
[18:51] <apachelogger> Do we get a "I voted" sticker thingy of some sort?
[18:52] <nhandler> apachelogger: No, but you get a string of random numbers
[18:54] <DaSkreech> 4.2 RC1 breaks yakuake
[18:54] <DaSkreech> ish
[18:54] <apachelogger> nhandler: yah, sure, random, ubuntu ... haha :P
[18:55] <claydoh> DaSkreech: how does it break? I haven't noticed anything yet
[18:55] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent, thanks
[18:55] <DaSkreech> ^shiftL
[18:56] <Riddell> this live CD seems to work but also seems to have an old KDE on it, I wonder if it rebuilt at all
[18:56] <claydoh> DaSkreech: ahh oh yeah
[18:56] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: what does shiftL do?
[18:57] <DaSkreech> ^shift
[18:57] <DaSkreech> Same thing as Konqui
[18:57] <apachelogger> means?
[18:57] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+Shift
[18:57] <Riddell> Konsole seems to be defaulting to a nasty dark grey on light grey
[18:57] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: I don't get the problem
[18:58] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Splits the window into two konsoles one of them is messed up
[18:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/print.pdf is that a win?
[18:58] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: oh
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: oh dear... - he's never going to understand it is he?
[19:01] <ScottK> Sput: I haz bug 4 U: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/show/485
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: and nice font you got there ;-)
[19:01] <apachelogger> well, not for all the desktop
[19:01] <apachelogger> looks good for mails though
[19:04] <Riddell> "phonon-backend-null: Conflicts: phonon-backend" humph
[19:05] <allee> Tonio: what is with digikam?
[19:09] <\sh> sounds like, that you all running jaunty already ,-)
[19:09]  * nhandler just went back to intrepid
[19:09] <ScottK> \sh: I just upgraded to 4.1.4 in intrepid-proposed.
[19:10]  * ScottK tosses nhandler some intrepid-proposed for SRU verification.
[19:10] <\sh> ah..sadly I can't run proposed here @office.../me needs a working station
[19:10] <nhandler> ScottK: Any particular package?
[19:11] <ScottK> nhandler: All of KDE 4.1.4 (assuming you're on i386.  amd64 is still bulding)
[19:11] <nhandler> Yeah, I'm on i386. Would apt like the backports? I just installed 4.1.96 from k-e yesterday
[19:12]  * \sh is cursing customers, to not let him go home...
[19:12] <ScottK> nhandler: If you've already install 4.2, then nevermind.
[20:35] <vorian> apachelogger: pingaling
[20:36]  * DaSkreech laughs
[20:49] <seele> Riddell: do you still manage planet.kde.org?
[20:50] <DaSkreech> yes he does
[20:50] <DaSkreech> For some degree of manage
[20:50] <seele> Riddell: can you add my twitter? I never got my svn account fixed: http://twitter.com/celestelynpaul
[20:52] <DaSkreech> there is a twitter section of the planet?
[20:53] <seele> yes
[20:54] <DaSkreech> Sweet. Solely twitter or would dents etc go there as well
[21:07] <torkiano> Tonio_: Sorry for the delay; I don't know, the other day Ridell said that he'd ask hunger (KCall/decibel developer)
[21:07] <torkiano> I already ask in #decibel channel, but nobody answer :(
[21:39] <LaserJock> hmm, so I still can't get Jaunty to log in
[21:41] <LaserJock> plasma doesn't start as far as I know, grepping for plasma gives nothing
[21:42] <apachelogger> vorian: pongaling
[21:42] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: start from xterm
[21:43] <apachelogger> LaserJock: all upgraded?
[21:43] <apachelogger> the ABI breakage caused some plasmoids to take plasma down
[21:43] <apachelogger> that should be fixed by now though
[21:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: He's on amd64.  Is it built yet?
[21:43] <apachelogger> I think jr said earlier that it is
[21:44] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: I can't use X as far as I know
[21:44] <Riddell> seele: your twitter is public now?
[21:44] <LaserJock> apachelogger: yeah, all upgraded
[21:45] <LaserJock> I mv'd my .kde and everything
[21:45] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: X& doesn't work ?
[21:45] <LaserJock> let me see
[21:46] <LaserJock> umm, no
[21:46] <LaserJock> X& doesn't work
[21:46] <LaserJock> (EE)  intel(0): underrun on pipe B!
[21:48] <seele> Riddell: yes
[21:50] <LaserJock> well, I don't get why X& won't work
[21:50] <Riddell> seele: Celeste Paul or Celeste Lyn Paul?
[21:50] <LaserJock> kdm starts fine
[21:50] <DaSkreech> Might look into that
[21:50] <DaSkreech> seele: Is there a date btw ?
[21:51] <seele> DaSkreech: a date of what?
[21:51] <seele> Riddell: CLP please
[21:51] <seele> er.. Celeste Lyn Paul heh
[21:51] <DaSkreech> seele: picking up the last deposit on the ring
[21:51] <seele> DaSkreech: huh?
[21:51] <DaSkreech> Didn't you get engaged?
[21:51] <seele> yes?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Did you get married already?
[21:52] <seele> no
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Is there a date for that?
[21:52] <seele> yes, next september
[21:52] <DaSkreech> ok
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Thanks :)
[21:52]  * seele blinks
[21:52] <apachelogger> DaSkreech clearly wants to get invited ;-)
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Are there cookies?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> :-)
[21:53] <seele> DaSkreech: there will be more than cookies. my parents are going a bit crazy over the thing
[21:53] <apachelogger> I am not invited, so no cookies ... though maybe I am in a good mood that day and stuff some through the freenode servers ;-)
[21:53] <DaSkreech> ha ha  of course they are
[21:53] <seele> DaSkreech: no. you dont understand. there is construction going on.
[21:53] <seele> *that* crazy
[21:53] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:53] <DaSkreech> :-D
[21:53] <DaSkreech> Should I get control of the mars robots to get a snapshot from space?
[21:54] <DaSkreech> There is china that's upper africa that's seele's reception and that small dot it's over shadowing is Vegas
[21:54] <apachelogger> that just made me think of the oxygen under-construction icon being all over the place and made me smile
[21:54] <LaserJock> hmm, well I found a bug and a lot of the comments blame KDE, but that's kinda odd
[21:54] <seele> DaSkreech: there are satellite photos but they are from a few years ago and not very nice
[21:55] <DaSkreech> We shall arrange a commit for marble on the day
[21:55] <apachelogger> LaserJock: bug is an unkown variable or method :P
[21:57] <LaserJock> is there a way to get X to spit out an xorg.conf? I'd like to try vesa
[21:57]  * apachelogger doesn't know
[21:57] <apachelogger> LaserJock: but what is that bug?
[21:57] <apachelogger> or where
[21:58] <LaserJock> bug #256142
[21:58] <Riddell> seele: added, should appear in a few minutes if you've twittered anything recently
[21:58] <seele> Riddell: yay, thanks
[21:58] <seele> Riddell++
[21:58] <seele> ~karma Riddell
[21:58] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 4
[21:58] <seele> lol
[21:59] <apachelogger> ~karma JontheEchidna
[21:59] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 8
[21:59] <seele> someone take the bot away from me!
[21:59] <apachelogger> seele: no worries, I turned of the uno game :P
[21:59] <seele> apachelogger: there was uno?  and i missed it?!
[21:59] <nhandler> ##uno ;)
[22:00] <apachelogger> seele: no, I turned it off when I did the intial setup ... which I regretted yesterday because I was in an uno mood
[22:00] <apachelogger> that mood is gone, now that I have to do uno hacking again :|
[22:01] <DaSkreech> markov
[22:01] <DaSkreech> ~markov
[22:01] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov'
[22:01] <DaSkreech> Blast
[22:01] <apachelogger> LaserJock: IIRC our X/intel driver is patched so that it causes rendering gltiches ... I could imagine that bug was related to that
[22:01] <apachelogger> then again the patch wasn't removed anyway AFAIK
[22:04] <ScottK> Did we build amarok for Intrepid for 4.2 or 4.1/4.2?
[22:04] <LaserJock> well, maybe I'll try to install Alpha 3
[22:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: vorian is preparing an upload anyway as it seems to broken on amd due to mysql changes
[22:06] <ScottK> I thought that was Jaunty
[22:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah, intrepid for 4.1
[22:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: why do you ask?
[22:07] <ScottK> Discussion about crashing with 4.1.4 on #amarok
[22:07] <vorian> apachelogger: i just fixed our mysql problem
[22:07] <cbr> why is kwrite so slow?
[22:08] <cbr> selecting text is like uberslow
[22:08] <cbr> even writing sometimes lags
[22:08] <apachelogger> cbr: don't use monster docs
[22:08] <apachelogger> vorian: hwo so?
[22:09] <apachelogger> *how even
[22:09] <vorian> there was a slight error causing libmysqlclient16-dev to be an empty package
[22:10] <cbr> apachelogger: 100 lines is not monster, is it?
[22:11] <apachelogger> cbr: maybe not
[22:11] <DaSkreech> ~markov status
[22:11] <kubotu> markov is currently disabled
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Bah
[22:11] <apachelogger> cbr: question is .. does kate exhibit these issues as well?
[22:11] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: dood, I deactivated even uno
[22:12] <apachelogger> and that works like expected... unlike markov
[22:12] <DaSkreech> ~excuse
[22:12] <kubotu> sticktion
[22:13] <seele> ScottK: can i just update the quassel package or do i need a new -data package too?
[22:14] <cbr> uhuh, kate is slow too
[22:14] <ScottK> seele: Both
[22:14] <cbr> even scrolling the document is slow
[22:15] <ScottK> seele: The new ini file for networks is in -data
[22:15] <apachelogger> cbr: 4.1.x?
[22:15] <cbr> 4.1.96
[22:15] <jussi01> ~karma jussi01
[22:15] <kubotu> karma for jussi01: -1
[22:15] <apachelogger> hm
[22:15] <cbr> it was the same for .85 iirc
[22:15] <apachelogger> cbr: didn't notice anything similar ... what kind of document?
[22:15] <cbr> turning off compositing effects actually made it slower
[22:15] <seele> ScottK: ok
[22:16] <cbr> well, one was plain text, the other is html
[22:17] <apachelogger> cbr: very weird --- bugs.kde.org
[22:17] <apachelogger> report against katepart (ought to be part of kdelibs if not available itself)
[22:18] <cbr> just selecting makes the xorg process use like 75% cpu
[22:18] <cbr> while the kate process is only taking like 5
[22:19] <apachelogger> maybe it is a graphics driver bug
[22:20] <apachelogger> cbr: jaunty or intrepid?
[22:20] <cbr> maybe
[22:20] <cbr> jaunty
[22:20]  * apachelogger finds it very likely to be graphics then
[22:20] <cbr> i'm getting like 140 FPS @ glxgears as well
[22:20] <cbr> intel <3
[22:20] <apachelogger> cbr: you might check with the kate devs
[22:21] <apachelogger> either the editor widget does some weird stuff your driver doesn't like or your driver is b0rked
[22:21] <ScottK> Is anyone fixoring kdesdk for Jaunty?
[22:21]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna....
[22:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: still broken?
[22:22]  * apachelogger thought jr was triggering rebuilds earlier
[22:22] <ScottK> FTBFS on all but amd64 due to a missing file.
[22:22] <ScottK> No idea how it build there.
[22:22] <ScottK> I don't think it's just a retry.
[22:23] <apachelogger> nah, doesn't look like one
[22:23]  * apachelogger is wondering how it built here
[22:23] <ScottK> Different tarball?
[22:23]  * ScottK gotta run.
[22:23] <apachelogger> no, looks like the .1 from the manpage disappeared
[22:26] <cbr> also, for some reason changing channels in screen+irssi in konsole takes a sensable amount of time..
[22:27] <cbr> which is absurd, since it's a terminal app.. drawing shouldnt take a millisecond :p
[22:27] <apachelogger> it is a terminal emulator to be precise
[22:27] <apachelogger> cbr: that makes it sound even more like a graphics issue though
[22:28] <cbr> i found some cool experimental stuff at xorg-edgers.. too vary to try it out though :p
[22:28] <seele> Sput: whois broken?
[22:29] <cbr> s/vary/afraid
[22:29] <cbr> mostly because downgrading is such a pain in debian
[22:30] <jussi01> seele: works in latest git here
[22:31] <apachelogger> ah
[22:31] <seele> hum.. i thought ScottK just packaged it fresh and hot
[22:31] <apachelogger> ScottK, JontheEchidna: kdesdk-scripts is arch all ... and missing a .1 for cvsrevertlast
[22:31] <apachelogger> doesn't explain why it failed on lpia though
[22:31] <jussi01> seele: are you not getting anything at all?
[22:32] <seele> jussi01: nope.  not with /whois name or right clicking on name and selecting whois from the context menu
[22:33] <jussi01> seele: I assume you are looking in the status buffer for the output? (basic question, but got to ask)
[22:33] <cbr> ah, screw it.. i'll try the experimental drm/intel/mesa stuff
[22:34] <cbr> here goes segfault
[22:35] <seele> jussi01: yes
[22:35] <seele> jussi01: that's the one on top of the current channel you are viewing right?
[22:35] <jussi01> seele: the network name one
[22:35] <seele> there is no status buffer for it.. i'm clicking on it and nothing happens
[22:35] <seele> (double clicking)
[22:36] <jussi01> seele: 1 sec
[22:36] <seele> jussi01: but the watch buffer above it should show it too.. it shows all activity
[22:37] <jussi01> seele: no, it doesnt show activity stuff, joins parts mode changes etc
[22:38] <seele> oh, yeah i dunno
[22:39] <jussi01> seele:  http://imagebin.ca/view/ttR3Xq.html
[22:40] <seele> jussi01: i cant do that, clicking on Freenode just expands and collapses the tree widget
[22:41] <jussi01> seele: really? thats supposed to be only when you click the + clicking the name should bring it up...
[22:42] <seele> double clicking on the label makes it expand and contract.  no buffer window shows up with it is selected
[22:42] <seele> maybe it's just bork?
[22:42] <jussi01> seele: curious. Im not using the monolithic build, but there shouldnt be any difference
[22:46] <Ramblurr> is there any chance an updated libkdcraw could be packaged for intrepid?
[22:47] <Ramblurr> it would solve this http://www.binaryelysium.com/images/libkdcraw_lameness.png
[22:47] <Ramblurr> bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdcraw/+bug/228623
[22:47] <Ramblurr> dcraw and ufraw have already been fixed
[22:48] <jussi01> !backports | Ramblurr
[22:48] <cbr> woow, UXA actually works with the packages from xorg-edgers
[22:49] <cbr> and DRI2 works.. i can see the glxgears in the 3d effects like it's supposed to be
[22:49] <cbr> glxgears fps went to 420.. not great but an increase
[22:49] <Ramblurr> jussi01: yes yes, i'm asking for a libkdcraw backport :) either 0.1.5 or 0.1.7
[22:58] <cbr> selecting stuff is snappier now in kate
[22:59] <cbr> but it still takes time.. like it's something intensive.. it's selecting text :o
[23:06] <astromme-laptop> Anyone else having plasma crashes (4.2RC, 4.1.96) on amd64?
[23:06] <ScottK> seele: My git snapshot is from yesterday.  I do test these things before I upload them.
[23:07] <ScottK> jussi01: What packages are you using?
[23:07] <jussi01> ScottK: not using packages, git only
[23:08] <ScottK> jussi01: KDE integration enabled?
[23:08] <jussi01> ScottK: of course
[23:08] <seele> ScottK: whois works for you?
[23:08] <ScottK> Also there are some differences now between -client and the monolithic package
[23:09] <ScottK> seele: Now it does.  At times I've seemed to miss it and I don't know the difference.
[23:09] <vorian> \o/
[23:09] <vorian> amarok has built!
[23:11] <ScottK> Actually no it doesn't.
[23:11] <ScottK> Gotta run
[23:28] <torkiano> seele: whois works for me with Scottk latest packages
[23:29] <seele> torkiano: hum..
[23:30] <torkiano> seele: 0.4.0~git090113-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[23:30] <seele> yep
[23:31] <torkiano> I use the monolithic client but i have already installed quassel-client
[23:34] <torkiano> seele: i've removed quassel-client and whois still works
[23:34] <torkiano> Intrepid here
[23:35] <seele> yeah.. intrepid here to
[23:35] <seele> i dont know what to say, it's not working
[23:36] <seele> did you remove .quassel? i didnt configure any channels.  i clicked freenode in the file>networks menu and it took me directly to #kubuntu
[23:36] <seele> so maybe the freenode buffer isn't being created?
[23:36] <seele> (mono client)
[23:37] <torkiano> seele: I'm going to remove .quassel. See you soon
[23:40] <torkiano> seele: still works for me :/
[23:43] <seele> torkiano: argh, well then nevermind if no one else's is broken but mine
[23:43] <seele> (that seems to happen a lot)
[23:57] <Lure> Ramblurr: willing to go withe kde4 beta? there is digikam-experimental PPA for digikam/kipi-plugins for Intrepid
[23:57] <Ramblurr> Lure: oo.. the kde4 digikam?
[23:57]  * Ramblurr is running kde-neon anyways
[23:57] <Lure> Ramblurr: yes
[23:58] <ScottK> I thought we updated Jaunty to KDE4 digikam?
[23:58] <Lure> Ramblurr: you need kubuntu-experimental + digikam-experimental
[23:58] <Lure> ScottK: talking about interpid
[23:58] <ScottK> Ah.
[23:58] <ScottK> Don't mind me then.
[23:59] <Ramblurr> cool.. i already have kubuntu-experimental
[23:59] <Lure> Ramblurr: https://edge.launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive
[23:59]  * Ramblurr updates