[00:00] <john__> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver'
[00:00] <john__> make: *** [kdist_image] Error 2
[00:00] <DasEI> john:and no further explanation ? just failing rm ?
[00:00] <john__> /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/info.c: In function ‘resize_info_buffer’:
[00:00] <al3x-admin> dvheumen: so... just dist-upgrade in an hour should fix it ?
[00:00] <john__> /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/info.c:90: error: implicit declaration of function ‘PAGE_ALIGN’
[00:01] <john__> DasEI, i've watch the  /var/cache/modass/alsa-source*buildlog*
[00:01] <dvheumen> al3x-admin: I hope so, but I'm also just a user ... so I can't know for sure
[00:01] <john__> the last 4 lines are it's output
[00:01] <dvheumen> but, that was why I was wondering if the upload was considered completed or not, since otherwise it could be incompletely transferred
[00:01] <al3x-admin> dvheumen: Ok =) Thanks for the help
[00:01] <dvheumen> no prob
[00:03] <DasEI> john:looks like a false call at building the alsa-drivers, dpkg-reconfigure -a let's you (amongst lot other) to choose to install all als-drivers, let's try this  (really poking)
[00:03] <DasEI> john:sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[00:05] <john__> what would that command do?:)
[00:05] <DasEI> ask you about how to configure your sys, including alsa
[00:06] <john__> so i should select all the alsa packets?
[00:07] <DasEI> yes, all drivers
[00:08] <john__> let's hope i won't be disconnected
[00:08] <john__> i'm on wi-fi
[00:08] <DasEI> don' think so
[00:10] <john__> this is in progres...
[00:14] <john__> test?
[00:16] <DasEI> through ?
[00:16] <DasEI> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[00:16] <DasEI> beep 50
[00:17] <john__> just wanted to see if i'm still online, it's not done yet
[00:17] <Adola> Anyone know why Kopete won't connect?  (Here is teh situation, I'm using WML protocol, and on dial-up I wasn't able to connect, So, I updated to teh SVN version of msnlib, I still can't connect)
[00:18] <al3x-admin> Adola: because of recent MSNP change
[00:19] <al3x-admin> Adola: It should work with latest svn of kmess | kopete | pidgin |amsn
[00:19] <al3x-admin> Adola: I tested kmess && amsn && pidgin
[00:19] <Adola> Well, Pidgin connects, But, I'm using MSN-pecan.
[00:19] <Adola> And, I got svn of libmsn
[00:20] <Adola> libmsn 4.0
[00:20] <Adola> and ran make and installed it.
[00:20] <john__> DasEI, gotta restart
[00:20] <Adola> Yet, I'm still not able to connect.
[00:20] <Adola> now, Kmess wont' connect etier.
[00:20] <DasEI> John__:see you then
[00:20] <Adola> can you guys PLEASE help me?  I REALLY hate Pidgin
[00:20] <john__> right away
[00:20] <HappySmileMan> Mine works today, didn't work yesterday, don';t think I've upgraded since then :S
[00:21] <al3x-admin> Adola: right now I'm on kmess
[00:21] <al3x-admin> Adola: so, I'm 100% sure that svn kmess works fine
[00:21] <Adola> Using the latest svn libmsn?
[00:21] <al3x-admin> Adola: Yes
[00:21] <Adola> God, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
[00:22] <sikor_sxe> hello, i just updated to kde 4.2rc1 in intrepid. now plasma doesn't seem to work anymore
[00:22] <al3x-admin> Adola: How did you updated?
[00:22] <sikor_sxe> it crashes after login
[00:22] <sikor_sxe> :/
[00:22] <al3x-admin> sikor_sxe: just wait 1 hour until all packages are uploaded, then do update && upgrade ;)
[00:22] <Adola> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[00:22] <dvheumen> sikor_sxe: the upload is still in progress
[00:22] <Adola> After I got..I don't know exactly, someon in #kopete told me to.
[00:22] <al3x-admin> Adola: I mean... downloading .tar.gz or svn update from console ?
[00:23] <Adola> Oh, from Terminal.
[00:23] <sikor_sxe> al3x-admin: ok thanks
[00:24] <al3x-admin> Adola: You get the "Server internal error", right?
[00:24] <Adola> Um.
[00:24] <Adola> I don't know.
[00:24] <Adola> Kopete just..Sits there...Never connecting...Always saying "Connecting"
[00:24] <Adola> Kmess provided an error atleast
[00:24] <Adola> Let me fetch it
[00:25] <al3x-admin> Adola: Ok
[00:25] <Adola> Ok, that's odd.
[00:25] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...has anyone tried the kde4.2rc1?
[00:25] <Adola> Kmess just connectd...(For the first time today) And dissconnected Pidgin.
[00:25] <Adola> Let me go try Kopete ONE more time.
[00:26] <dvheumen> m_tadeu: upload is still in progress, de plasma addons aren't updated yet and this (probably) causes the crash
[00:26] <dvheumen> m_tadeu: (in case you're wondering :P)
[00:26] <al3x-admin> mtadeu: If you cant run "plasma" is because you upgraded without all packages having been uploaded. So, wait 1 hour and update && upgrade ;)
[00:26] <al3x-admin> Adola: =)
[00:26] <m_tadeu> hehe....ok I'l wait a bit longer....:)
[00:28] <Adola> Ok, I'm attempting to connect.  I'll give it a bit.
[00:29] <solid_liq> !ping
[00:30] <Adola> !ping Adola
[00:30]  * DasEI is leaving, for John__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104613/  
[00:31] <sebr> anybody seeing a kmail crash on start with the new 4.2rc packages?
[00:31] <Adola> ok, al3x-admin:  It's not connecting.
[00:31] <al3x-admin> Adola: Witch one client?
[00:33] <Adola> Pidgin-Connect-Using MSN-Pecan
[00:33] <Adola> Kmess-Connect-using...Um, not sure
[00:33] <Adola> Kopete-Just keeps saying "connecting" forever-using WML protocol.  i've even used the SVN version of libmsn.  The 4.0 one.
[00:34] <al3x-admin> Adola: Do you know how to check witch MSNP is using Kopete to connect? (I ask you because I dont know how) (If not <=MSNP13 or MSNP16 wont connect
[00:35] <stefan__> xd
[00:35] <stefan__> oops
[00:36] <stefan__> sebr: yes, same for me
[00:36] <sebr> damn damn!
[00:36] <stefan__> plasma also crashes every time for me
[00:36] <sebr> but at least it restarts itself and works :)
[00:36] <stefan__> crashes when starting up on login
[00:36] <stefan__> sebr: not for me :-(
[00:36] <sebr> oi :(
[00:36] <sebr> try delete all your settings perhsp
[00:36] <stefan__> sebr: already did so
[00:37] <Adola> In 4.0:    libmsn 4.0 was refactored to support MSNP15
[00:37] <stefan__> sebr: all files with plasma in its names in .kde
[00:38] <stefan__> sebr: I have no desktop... at least Alt+F2 works so I can start some apps ;-)
[00:38] <sebr> lol
[00:38] <sebr> try with a new user
[00:38] <stefan__> sebr: ok
[00:39] <dvheumen> stefan__: are you talking about KDE 4.2 RC1?
[00:39] <stefan__> dvheumen: yes
[00:39] <stefan__> dvheumen: intrepid packages
[00:39] <dvheumen> dvheumen: it's because not all packages have been uploaded yet
[00:40] <dvheumen> the kdeplasma-addons are not available yet ... I suspect Plasma tries to use the old packages and crashes
[00:40] <stefan__> stefan__: then the rest of plasma should depend on the fitting kdeplasma-addons package, no?
[00:41] <Adola> ok so.
[00:41] <dvheumen> stefan__: yeah, you're probably right
[00:41] <Adola> i did "make install" on the libmsn directory....Is that all i had to do?  Or was ther emore?
[00:44] <stefan__> dvheumen: or the other way around, so a new libplasma cannot be installed as long as only an older kdeplasma-addons package is available
[00:44] <stefan__> dvheumen: available and installed
[00:44] <dvheumen> stefan__: tnx mate :P
[00:44] <stefan__> dvheumen: uninstalling kdeplasma-addons could also fix the problem I see currently I guess
[00:45]  * stefan__ tries it
[00:45] <dvheumen> stefan__: yeah, hadn't thought about that
[00:45] <al3x-admin> Adola: Sorry, I wasn't here.
[00:45] <Adola> It's fine.
[00:45] <Adola> al3x-admin: have you installed the SVN version?
[00:46]  * stefan__ restarts the KDE
[00:46] <al3x-admin> Adola: I think that this should work :S. But if not, just use pidgin or kmess or amsn until svn update fixes kopete's conexion probs
[00:46] <stefan__> ah, actually, I just need to start plasma
[00:46] <Adola> Are you about to tell me something?
[00:46] <Adola> Or are you just saying that it should have worked?
[00:46] <stefan__> dvheumen: plasma doesn't crash anymore now :-)
[00:46] <al3x-admin> Adola: No... I dont have KDE at this moment... I'm one of those that installed before total package was uploaded...
[00:47] <dvheumen> stefan__: I've updated the rest of the packages and all is fixed now for me too
[00:47] <Adola> Ok, >.>
[00:47] <al3x-admin> Adola: sorry for not being more helpfull =/
[00:48] <Adola> That's fine.
[00:48] <Adola> I'm just very annoyed.
[00:48] <stefan__> dvheumen: ah, haven't noticed there are more updated packages available now :-)
[00:48]  * stefan__ upgrades
[00:50] <TraceRoute87> is kde4.2 coming on the next kubuntu release ?
[00:50] <alipio> I think so.. =)
[00:52] <TraceRoute87> kde releases the 27th thou, so i assume we'll just be getting it in a update?
[00:55] <alipio> TraceRoute87: the next kubuntu release is in april...
[00:56] <dvheumen> tnx everyone, bye
[00:58] <Ahmuck> hi.  i need to change my resolution, manually
[00:59] <Ahmuck> how do i do this?
[01:00] <alipio> Ahmuck: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put the resolution there...
[01:00] <Ahmuck> ubuntu is using xorg.conf again?
[01:01] <Psyonik> Hi, I'm having trouble installing glib from the source code, can anyone help?
[01:02] <alipio> if you configure there.. it will work... try it
[01:03] <Ahmuck> it appears that xorg.conf is empty.  are there example resolutions on the web?
[01:03] <mrb__> hi there... question... plasma is crashing in todays kde 4.2rc1 update... anyone else is having this problem?
[01:03] <alipio> sure..
[01:04] <alipio> nice idea... let me upgrade the system here.. =)
[01:05] <mrb__> good luck alipio... 3 machines here had plasma crashing after the upgrade :(
[01:06] <nhandler> mrb__: It should be working now
[01:06] <alipio> :( .. maybe I'll have more luck... =)
[01:07] <Ahmuck> k, so i need an example xorg.conf file to fix this i suppose.  anybody have an 8.04.1 config file laying around?
[01:07] <Ahmuck> any particular reason *untu decided they needed to drop the xorg.conf file?
[01:10] <alipio> Ahmuck: look at http://nozell.com/examples/xorg.conf-ati-works-with-one-monitor.20060624
[01:10] <caustin> Hello
[01:10] <mrb__> allipio.. packages are in experimental :)
[01:10] <alipio> there some screen sections...
[01:11] <alipio> mrb__: i know... i'm using kde 4.2 b2 here.. I'm updating right now...
[01:11] <m_tadeu> is it ready to upgrade?
[01:11] <nhandler> Yes
[01:11] <caustin> Anyone experience Plasma grabbing 100% CPU when adding Icons to the desktop in KDE 4.2 beta?
[01:12] <alipio> I don't know... I don't use icon anymore...
[01:13] <m_tadeu> plasma still crashing when logging in
[01:13] <m_tadeu> what should I do?
[01:13] <Ahmuck> any reason 8.10 would cause crashes while trying to open display in system settings?
[01:16] <alipio> caustin: try to update to kde4.2rc1 published today...
[01:17] <tweakedeh> Hey, I made a new user on my computer but he has no privlages what so ever, even in his home folder. How would I fix this?
[01:17] <caustin> alipio: oh, cool
[01:17] <caustin> alipio: Would that be from the same place I got 4.2 beta from?  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main ?
[01:19] <alipio> caustin: yes.. i'm updating it from that right now..
[01:20] <Ahmuck> tweakedeh: delete the user and re-create
[01:20] <Ahmuck> sudo adduser someuser
[01:21] <tweakedeh> Ahmuck: I'm pretty sure thats what I did before. I'll try again though.
[01:21] <alipio> tweakedeh: chage the home owner with 'sudo chown newuser:newuser /home/newuser -R'
[01:22] <tweakedeh> alipio: thanks, looks like its working now.
[01:22] <caustin> alipio: Excellent, thanks, updating now.
[01:22] <alipio> :)
[01:23] <m_tadeu> if plasma crashes after the update just remove the plasma related files from ~/.kde/share/config and ~/.kde/share/apps
[01:25] <caustin> m_tadeu: ok, thanks
[01:27] <caustin> I also seem to have a problem configuring my Network Settings, like hostname, etc.  From my searching I guess there should be an Administrator Mode button, however, no matter what I do, I do not see one.
[01:27] <TouchDown> Hello all. I'm with suspicious of invasion on my kubuntu 8.10. anyone can help me ?
[01:27] <m_tadeu> no  msn account in kopete....
[01:28] <alipio> m_tadeu: now it uses WLM Messenger instead
[01:28] <TouchDown> The suspicious are: open proxy installed, changing many things on communities, changing font, autoshudown, etc.
[01:29] <TouchDown> nobody ?
[01:29] <m_tadeu> alipio: I know...I was using it in beta2....now it's gone and not there to create a new one
[01:29] <rakku> hello, I have a problem with plasma :) KDE 4.2rc1 can anybody help?
[01:29] <e-jat> anyone having problem / crash with 4.1.96 ?
[01:29] <e-jat> rakku: me too ..
[01:29] <e-jat> just recently ( a few minutes ago upgrading) now its gone :(
[01:30] <m_tadeu> try to delete plasma related files inside your .kde
[01:30] <e-jat> any idea what package need to force downgrade?
[01:30] <alipio> I've just upgraded mine... for now.. it's working ok
[01:30] <rakku> m_tadeu: I've renamed ~/.kde, doesn't work
[01:30] <e-jat> alipio: hmm really .. im using kubuntu-experimentl
[01:30] <alipio> when kde crashes for you?
[01:30] <alipio> me too
[01:31] <nhandler> e-jat: Try doing an apt-get update and then a dist-upgrade
[01:31] <rakku> alipio:startup
[01:31] <e-jat> nhandler: im doing it now ..
[01:31] <alipio> well.. I'm now in kde rc1... and no crashes for while...
[01:31] <m_tadeu> what should be the package containing WLM?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> m_tadeu: libmsn
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> or rather, building kopete against that will make it build the wlm plugin for kopete
[01:32] <e-jat> owh ok .. got some dist upgrade
[01:33] <rakku> e-jat: me too!
[01:33] <e-jat> hope it would help ..
[01:33] <nhandler> It should e-jat
[01:33] <e-jat> to get me back to kde :)
[01:33] <rakku> e-jat: the whole bunch again
[01:33] <e-jat> ok ..
[01:33] <e-jat> thanks got i got gnome for backup ..
[01:33] <e-jat> god*
[01:34] <alipio> let me startup again to see if all works fine...
[01:34] <e-jat> alipio: gud luck
[01:34] <rakku> e-jat for me, it's only plasma. I can start programs with krunner
[01:34] <m_tadeu> ok ok....libmsn0.1 is installed...no WLM accont type to create a new one
[01:34] <e-jat> rakku: ic ..
[01:36] <rakku> I'll start up again, fingers crossed
[01:36] <nhandler> Is there an identi.ca plasmoid? Or does the twitter one work with identi.ca?
[01:37] <caustin> Hmm, so WLM Messager functionality is missing from Kopete in 4.2rc ?
[01:37] <e-jat> brb ..
[01:37] <legodude__> ugh
[01:37] <m_tadeu> guess so...trying to figure out
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> The WLM should be present in the Intrepid packages
[01:37]  * legodude__ hates the broken iwlagn driver
[01:38] <alipio> kde 4.2 rc1 is ok at startup here... no crashes =)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: the twitter plasmoid just gained support for identi.ca. ...for KDE 4.3 :-(
[01:38] <nhandler> :(
[01:39] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I guess I'll need to wait for that ncurses client to come out
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> or you could try choqok
[01:39] <e-jat> its work ..
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> !info choqok
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> !info choqok jaunty
[01:39] <e-jat> but .. i miss the AIR wallpaper
[01:39] <e-jat> is it the latest wallpaper?
[01:39] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Is it only in jaunty?
[01:39] <nhandler> !info choqok intrepid
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: I think there might be an intrepid backport in a ppa somewheres
[01:40] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I'll look. If not, I'll make one
[01:40] <e-jat> nhandler: may i know which folder store the kubuntu wallpaper?
[01:40] <nhandler> e-jat: I would tell you if I knew ;) This is day 1 on kde for me :D
[01:41] <e-jat> nhandler: owh .. sorry .. and welcome to the club :)
[01:41] <nhandler> e-jat: Thanks.
[01:41]  * e-jat just a week i guess
[01:41] <randy_> I'm getting a kernal version mismatch trying to run quickcam. I read an old faq and did apt-get linux source instead of my actual uname. I re-did the apt-get correctly but I still get the version error. Any ideas?
[01:42] <alipio> kde 4.2 is awesome... very fast and stable since the last time I used (4.1)
[01:44] <e-jat> alipio: yeap
[01:50] <carlinhos> !br
[01:52] <zac_> whats kubuntus off topic
[01:52] <zac_> nvm
[01:53] <zac_> HAI
[01:54] <e-jat> anyone here know where is the default folder for kubuntu's wallpaper ?
[01:56] <m_tadeu> e-jat: I think you can find it in /usr/share/wallpapers/
[01:58] <e-jat> m_tadeu: thanks ...
[02:00] <e-jat> ive change the wallpaper but it still wont appear ...
[02:00] <e-jat> brb .. relogin ..
[02:00] <caustin> m_tadeu: Any sucess with WLM?
[02:00] <m_tadeu> not really...the guys in #kopete are debugging another problem with WLM
[02:01] <alipio> caustin: I was using that in kopete 4.2.85 here with success....
[02:02] <caustin> alipio: Ok, you installed that after upgrading to 4.2rc1?
[02:02] <alipio> not yet
[02:03] <caustin> oh...
[02:03] <caustin> yeah, it worked for me in the beta
[02:04] <m_tadeu> yeah the beta was working just fine
[02:04] <caustin> Is it possible to revert back to the beta version?
[02:05] <alipio> you guys are using openoffice 3 with kde 4.2?
[02:05] <m_tadeu> alipio: I tried it once, but didn't work out very well
[02:06] <alipio> m_tadeu: how do you revert to the 2.4?
[02:06] <TouchDown> how do i remover a package (squid) using the bash ?
[02:06] <e-jat> hmm .. is it only me having problem connecting to YM using kopete ?
[02:06] <alipio> TouchDown: use apt-get remove packagename
[02:07] <m_tadeu> alipio: I was using a repo with the ooo3 packages...I removed it and reinstalled the old ones
[02:07] <e-jat> m_tadeu: y u remove it ?
[02:07] <e-jat> u mean issues with openoffice.org-kde ?
[02:07] <alipio> have you just removed tha repository?
[02:08] <m_tadeu> well I didn't spend much time with it....I'm happy with 2.4
[02:08] <e-jat> owh ok ..
[02:08] <m_tadeu> alipio: remove the repo, update and the install the openoffice packages
[02:09] <alipio> let me see
[02:11] <e-jat> headache with disconnected from YM using kopete :(
[02:11] <e-jat> is it my network prob ?
[02:11] <e-jat> or its kopete issue?
[02:12] <caustin> well, time to reboot into 4.2rc
[02:12] <alipio> good luck caustin
[02:12] <alipio> :)
[02:12] <caustin> thx
[02:12] <caustin> brb
[02:16] <solid_liq> !ping
[02:18] <K`zan> Is there some way to get 8.10 without kde4?  Much missing from the goodness of 3 still :-/.
[02:18] <e-jat> weather plasma widget got prob i guess ..
[02:18] <Dr_willis_> there was some kde 3.5 repos in the works.. but not sure whats the state of them
[02:19] <K`zan> Dr_willis_: Thanks, guess I'll go back to 8.04 then until kde4 is ready for prime time.
[02:20] <alipio> K`zan: have your tried kde 4.2 experimental?
[02:21] <alipio> Its very nice
[02:22] <hallowname> are jaunty's 4.1.96 debs ok to use?
[02:24] <Dr_willis_> I thought Jaunty had  4.2 ?
[02:25] <hallowname> im on jauntydevelopmentbranch right now... 4.2 isn't released yet... i was just curious about the new 4.1.96 debs...
[02:25] <alipio> hallowname: jaunty will come with 4.2... today was published the 4.2 rc1 from the kubuntu experimental repo...
[02:26] <hallowname> alipio: yes, i kno... just curious about the new debs...
[02:26] <alipio> hallowname: Packages for the development Jaunty release are available. If you use Jaunty you will be able to upgrade as normal. Note that due to the holidays, the red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet. MSN support for Kopete will go in to Jaunty before it is released, however.
[02:27] <hallowname> alipio: nice to know, thx for the info... so the new debs are usable? no violent issues?
[02:28] <alipio> I don't know about Jaunty... I'm using Intrepid with the lastest kde release (4.2.96) with no hard issues... I'm really glad with it.. =)
[02:29] <hallowname> alipio: 4.2.96 eh? lawlz, thx man
[02:30] <hallowname> im on trunk anyway, i was just curious
[02:31] <alipio> =)
[02:36] <gstnet> hey guys. If anyone updeate to kde 4.2 rc1 ,do you still have MSN in kopete ?
[02:36] <astromme_> gstnet: Are the packages done yet for Jaunty (amd64)?
[02:36] <gstnet> no idea, but they are out for intrepid x86
[02:37] <gstnet> ,, so jauny cannot be all that far away
[02:37] <astromme_> gstnet: see alipio's comment: "the red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet. MSN support for Kopete will go in to Jaunty before release"
[02:37] <alipio> gstnet: Note that due to the holidays, the red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet. MSN support for Kopete will go in to Jaunty before it is released, however.
[02:38] <astromme_> gstnet: Yeah, although I think ppc build servers (which the Intrepid packages build on) are much less congested than official build servers....
[02:38] <gstnet> hmm, that kinda sucks about MSN, worked just fine in beta
[02:39] <gstnet> i am trying to remember if I did something or if it just worked
[02:39] <gstnet> if I did something to it, i with I knew what it was
[02:39] <gstnet> i do no remember compiling it
[02:46] <PSiL0> hey, does anyone know how to make firefox and banshee play nice in kubuntu 8.10?
[02:47] <PSiL0> for example, if I play a flash video from youtube, banshee craps out.. Likewise, if banshee is playing a song while firefox is running, I can't hear any sound from any video..
[02:48] <PSiL0> !ALSA
[02:49] <drleper> does 8.10 have KDE 4.1 ?
[02:50] <PSiL0> 4.1.2
[02:50] <drleper> thanks
[02:50] <PSiL0> np
[02:55] <gnumdk> Hello
[02:55] <gnumdk> i just updated to kde 4.2 rc1 but no msn support in kopete again :(
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> in Intrepid?
[02:56] <gnumdk> yes
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[02:57] <gnumdk> seems to be a probleme with kopete.install
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> oh
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> it was probably backported without adding the msn support
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> I'll work on fixing that
[02:58] <alberto> hola
[02:59] <Guest94288> hola
[02:59] <kdb424> Hey!
[02:59] <gnumdk> JontheEchidna: using 4.1.85 kopete.install seems to do the job ;)
[03:00] <kdb424> I have a quick question. How do I upgrade kubuntu the distro itself from the command line?
[03:00] <kdb424> I know it's not sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:00] <kdb424> I did that
[03:00] <gnumdk> dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <p_quarles> sudo update-manager --dist-upgrade
[03:00] <kdb424> Thanks so much!
[03:01] <kdb424> I knew there had to be a way
[03:01] <p_quarles> you need the -d argument too if you're looking for a development release
[03:01] <p_quarles> but update-manager takes care of changing the repositories as well as installing newer packages
[03:01] <kdb424> I'm not, but that will work. Thanks so much!
[03:02] <kdb424> Should I see it going to work on the screen or in the terminal? This is through ssh
[03:03] <Guest94288> someone know when k3b 2 will be released?
[03:03] <p_quarles> kdb424: it's a command line program . . . if that's what you're asking?
[03:04] <kdb424> p_quarles: That's what I wanted to know. Nothing happened
[03:04] <kdb424> It's on 7.04
[03:05] <p_quarles> kdb424: oh, I don't think that came with update-manager
[03:05] <p_quarles> also, it's no longer supported
[03:05] <kdb424> any idea on how to get this up to date ish?
[03:05] <kdb424> It was the only disk I had lying arround.
[03:06] <p_quarles> kdb424: well, what's the output of: which update-manager
[03:07] <kdb424> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed.  To run 'update-manager' please ask your administrator to install the package 'update-manager'
[03:07] <kdb424> -bash: update-manager: command not found
[03:07] <kdb424> And if done sudo, nothing
[03:07] <p_quarles> yeah, and the 7.04 repos are down, so that won't work
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> Guest94288: It currently doesn't have a planned release date
[03:08] <p_quarles> kdb424: honestly, I'm not sure; if installing a supported edition is an option, that's your best bet
[03:08] <p_quarles> kdb424: apart from that, you're looking at manually changing all repositories from feisty to gutsy, then running apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:08] <kdb424> I have no way to burn any disks, and it's kinda not likely I can re-install.
[03:08] <kdb424> I'm ok with that if someone can give me all of the repos in a PM
[03:09] <p_quarles> there's nothing to PM; you just need to change the word "feisty" to "gutsy"
[03:09] <kdb424> ah, k
[03:09] <p_quarles> edit as root, of course: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:10] <kdb424> Yep. Thanks. I knew that part. I run Ubuntu, but I am not used to the KDE. I'm a gnome guy. I appreciate all of the help.
[03:13] <Guest94288> kde is better than gnome
[03:14]  * astromme_ sighs at Guest94288
[03:22] <szrhawaii> how can i create a zip or a compressed file for some reason its not allowing me
[03:22] <Guest88993> i just got a 4gb thumbdrive, and i'm thinking of doing a thumbdrive install of kubuntu on it. has anyone used it before, and can i use the non persistant part of the drive (not counting the OS proper) in the live OS?
[03:25] <Guest94288> you can compress files with ark
[03:27] <astromme_> szrhawaii: You can also do it on the command line: "tar cvzf filename.tar.gz filea fileb directorya" etc.....
[03:28] <szrhawaii> im trying to make a zip instead of a tar.gz
[03:29] <szrhawaii> i miss 3.5 beause it had it in dolphins settings
[03:30] <szrhawaii> how do you do a zip from command line
[03:30] <mluser> szrhawaii: man zip
[03:31] <szrhawaii> ok do i have to put the file cource after that
[03:32] <mluser> are you wanting to zip a file or directory?
[03:33] <szrhawaii> a file
[03:34] <mluser> zip zipname.zip file.txt
[03:34] <szrhawaii> its an avi file
[03:34] <szrhawaii> so it would be zip (file name).zip
[03:36] <mluser> No
[03:36] <szrhawaii> so its exactly how you wrote it
[03:36] <mluser> if your file is movie.avi then type this 'zip movie.zip movie.avi
[03:36] <szrhawaii> ok
[03:36] <mluser> zip <zip filenane> <file to be zipped>
[03:37] <mluser> bzip2 is a better option though
[03:38] <szrhawaii> yeah but im sending it to a different os that doesnt have that kind of compression file allowed
[03:38] <szrhawaii> so zip is good
[03:38] <mluser> :)
[03:41] <dwidmann> mluser:bzip2 is better, but pretty slow
[03:43] <knic> what is the version number for KDE4.2 RC?
[03:44] <dwidmann> hmm, probably something like 4.1.86 or 4.1.88
[03:44] <knic> nvm looks like 4.1.96 thanks
[03:44] <dwidmann> come to think of it, they've probably changed it since 4.1.86 ... I haven't synced up in a while
[03:44] <dwidmann> when did they release the rc?
[03:44] <knic> the day after yesterday
[03:44] <dwidmann> so today
[04:00] <burak_> hi  ?
[04:00] <nhandler> Hi burak_
[04:01] <burak_> everybody sleepin'
[04:01] <nhandler> Not everyone, just people in certain parts of the world
[04:01] <faileas> i just got a 4gb thumbdrive, and i'm thinking of doing a thumbdrive install of kubuntu on it. has anyone used it before, and can i use the non persistant part of the drive (not counting the OS proper) in the live OS? or would i be better off doing a full install on it?
[04:02] <nhandler> faileas: I know ubuntu now has a utility to create a live usb. I am not sure if this works on kubuntu or not (it probably does). I would give that a try.
[04:07] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:19] <mDemocritus> k9copy stops responding 32% into ripping a dvd, any ideas where i can start looking?
[04:21] <mDemocritus> fuck
[04:21] <mDemocritus> OOPS so sorry, wrong window :(
[04:31] <K`zan> a/topic
[04:33] <darkdelusions> Stupid question is there a way to find out which version of the nvidia driver I am running installed 180 the other day but I think it reverted back
[04:34] <darkdelusions> nm
[04:34] <darkdelusions> Answered my own question :)
[04:48] <prometheus77> i have a freaky apt-get error
[04:48] <prometheus77> it tells me i have broken held packages and "package download failed"
[04:48] <prometheus77> this is after i upgrade to 8.10
[04:49] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:49] <prometheus77> !ping
[04:52] <prometheus77> APT Error. Context:    Package download failed,     Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.,     :
[04:57] <DaSkreech> prometheus77: Get the package from P.U.C ?
[04:57] <prometheus77> what is
[05:02] <xxploit> any1else have this probelm while installing koffice-kde4 E: /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[05:10] <quassel251> hey, there's a packaging error in the new RC1
[05:10] <quassel251> nice, my name is quassel
[05:11] <quassel251> anyway, I had to roll my own kmouth in kdeaccessibility
[05:12] <quassel251> err kmouse
[05:13] <quassel251> yes, kmouse has usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/male.png which steps on some other package which has the same icon
[05:13] <White_Pelican> what is nepomuk?
[05:14] <e-jat> whats the diff project-neon & kubuntu-experimental ?
[05:14] <quassel251> how do you pronounce neopmuk?  why can't the java edition of seasame be used?
[05:15] <White_Pelican> I have no clue
[05:15] <quassel251> anyway, someone needs to address the packaging error in kmouse in the new 4.2 RC1.  male.png steps on another package in kdeaccessibility
[05:16] <quassel251> my understanding of nepomuk or whatever is that it's hard to pronounce and performs some indexing service so later on you can search for things
[05:17] <White_Pelican> oic
[05:17] <White_Pelican> thanks for the info
[05:17] <White_Pelican> my wife also needs a good font editor
[05:17] <yousef_> can someone tell me how to reformat my usb drive to fat32
[05:19] <_2> yousef_ sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb     #careful with the dev/something    you want the exact device there   could be something like sdc1 if it's partitioned.    fdisk -l /dev/sd?
[05:19] <quassel251> mscore and fontforge might handle some font editing jobs
[05:19] <quassel251> never used them
[05:20] <yousef_> device node = dev/sdc1
[05:22] <White_Pelican> font forge isn't working for her
[05:22] <White_Pelican> it creates broken fonts
[05:24] <quassel251> gbdfed?  http://www.math.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/Software/gbdfed/
[05:24] <quassel251> hmm, gbdfed probably isn't going work
[05:26] <yousef_> _2 thanks i got it
[05:27] <quassel251> I'd file a bug report against fontforge.  I don't see much more that that project
[05:28] <quassel251> for truetpye font editing
[05:32] <TraceRoute> how do i set specific icons to apps on the kicker panel?
[05:34] <_2> right click
[05:35] <TraceRoute> right click and?
[05:42] <npurciful> hello about a bug #313318 on launchpad well it seems that the problem still exists and i was reading about the is was supposed to be fixed in KDE 4.2 RC1.
[05:45] <kxmas> yeah, the weather applet was the first thing I looked for when I upgraded
[05:45] <kxmas> annoying
[05:45] <npurciful> yeah little bit
[05:45] <Tm_T> npurciful: crash?
[05:45] <gabriel__> hola alguien habla español
[05:45] <Tm_T> !es | gabriel__
[05:45] <npurciful> Tm_T: no
[05:46] <npurciful> Tm_T: rss data engins
[05:46] <kxmas> oh wow, never mind, LCD Weather is working!
[05:46] <kxmas> I thought I had tried it
[05:46] <Tm_T> npurciful: roger
[05:47] <npurciful> Tm_T: why you ask about crashes
[05:48] <Tm_T> npurciful: different thing I thought you were talking
[05:48] <Tm_T> though you shouldn't been encountering anyway
[05:48] <npurciful> well i did have plasmoids crash but resolved issue
[05:51] <jam8oe> help me pls, my firefox doesnt load :(
[05:58] <tweakedeh> When ever I use FireFox to download any file it wont let me save it to the desktop because I dont have the permissions to do so. Any Ideas?
[06:01] <npurciful> tweakedeh: did you change the permissions
[06:02] <npurciful> of ~/Desktop
[06:02] <tweakedeh> npurciful: no I never touched them.
[06:02] <Tm_T> tweakedeh: have you been running desktop apps with sudo?
[06:02] <npurciful> did you run startx in konsol
[06:03] <npurciful> with sudo
[06:03] <tweakedeh> Tm_T: no
[06:03] <tweakedeh> npurciful: x Server is running?
[06:05] <david_> #kubuntu-de
[06:05] <tweakedeh> would I just chmod 777 /home/tweaked/Deskop?
[06:06] <npurciful> no chown USER.USER ~/Desktop
[06:06] <npurciful> err sudo
[06:06] <DaSkreech> npurciful: With sudo
[06:07] <moj0rising> hi. can anyone tell me the proper place to discuss Jaunty topics on IRC?
[06:07] <tweakedeh> Alright, thanks guys =]
[06:07] <DaSkreech> !jaunty
[06:08] <npurciful> it think it is ubuntu+1
[06:08] <moj0rising> sweet. thanks.
[06:08] <npurciful> dang
[06:08] <npurciful> its late
[06:10] <_2> sudo chown -Rh $USER $HOME
[06:11] <npurciful> yeah the would work
[06:12] <moj0rising> anyone here know how I might go about remmoving proprietary video drivers via the command line?
[06:12] <moj0rising> I'm using an NVidia card.
[06:13]  * _2 says "sudo chown -Rh $USER $HOME" == strong medicine, good for what ales you.
[06:13] <solid_liq> moj0rising: aptitude remove nvidia-glx
[06:13] <_2> moj0rising how did you install the driver ?
[06:14] <npurciful> Jockey or apt
[06:14] <moj0rising> thanks. well does kubuntu install it automatically?? was thinking maybe that's the issue.
[06:15] <npurciful> no there proprietary
[06:15] <_2> moj0rising if that's the issue you can remove linux-restricted-<blah>
[06:18] <moj0rising> hm. I'll try that too if this doesn't fly...
[06:19] <moj0rising> oh. yeah. and I can try failsafe x! just remembered.   :)
[06:22] <everyone_> hello
[06:22] <everyone_> any real peaple here
[06:23]  * _2 isn't going to say "hi everyone"  that sounds like a trap.
[06:23] <everyone_> haha
[06:23] <everyone_> trap
[06:23] <_2> :)
[06:25] <moj0rising> hi. a couple.  How's it going?
[06:32] <realmatt> What are some really good fast paced country songs that would get a crowd going.  Must be sung by males.  Simmilar to Heartland by George Strait
[06:33]  * _2 never really was off topic,      mmm compaired to that...
[06:54]  * DaSkreech laughs
[06:56] <mot_> has anybody else noticed that kubuntu 8.10 (kde 4.2rc1 or even 4.1.4) absolutely will not retain settings?
[06:56] <solid_liq> !ping
[06:57] <mot_> doesn't retain the location/placement of folder view windows (even when widgets are "locked")
[06:57] <mot_> won't retain program settings (i have autoconnect enabled on knetworkmanager and everytime i reboot it is unchecked)
[06:57] <mot_> anybody else notice this stuff?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> This is on login?
[06:59] <mot_> yes
[06:59] <mot_> anytime i restart x
[06:59] <kerry_> hi all
[06:59] <mot_> everything reverts to 'default' settings.
[06:59] <mot_> it's really, really annoying.
[06:59] <mot_> nothing "takes".
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Haven't noticed that here
[06:59] <mot_> well
[06:59] <kerry_> anybody know how to assign a keyboard shortcut to the application launcher in kde4?
[06:59] <mot_> i don't know how the hell i'm the only person
[06:59] <kerry_> on plasma
[06:59] <mot_> i KNOW this is happening to other people and it's not just my imagination
[07:00] <mot_> because i'm using kde 4.x on three different machines.
[07:00] <mot_> two kubuntu, one arch linux
[07:00] <mot_> the behavior is the same.
[07:01] <DaSkreech> kerry_: alt+F2 ?
[07:03] <kerry_> no, not that... sorry if i called it by the wrong name, i'm a newbie :)   - it was Alt-F1 in Suse, now that doesn't work anymore
[07:03] <kerry_> (and i can't find an option to change/set it)
[07:03] <kerry_> the 'start menu'
[07:16] <DaSkreech> kerry_: Oh yeah that.
[07:43] <magoo_> does anybody know of any issues with kubunto with a nividia gforce 6800 video card?
[07:43] <magoo_> kubunto verison 8.10
[07:45] <magoo_> i've installed it, and can use the o.s fine in recovery mode, i used the recommend drives for the video card but it wont work in generic mode
[07:46] <theajaysharma> I have a normal gnome ubuntu install (8.10) and want to check out 4.2 rc1.  I enabled the "recommended updates" and added the experimental repo, can I just 'apt-get install kde' at that point?
[07:47] <theajaysharma> sorry, I know it's a basic question...
[07:47] <magoo_> i'm stuck
[07:47] <magoo_> my question is probably very basic as well
[07:48] <Ch1ppy> Hey, I was previously on KDE 4.2 Beta 2 and MSN was working in Kopete, but I upgraded to the RC just now and MSN support seems to be gone, despite no mention of this in the release announcement. Is there any way I can enable it and/or go back to beta 2?
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: have Libmsn installed?
[07:53] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: That was the first thing I checked
[07:53] <DaSkreech> magoo_: Hmm?
[07:54] <tbr281> i'm trying to install google earth and every time i the setup appears it says that it has no write permissions on the install directory
[07:54] <tbr281> can anyone help?
[07:54] <faileas> tbr281: got sudo?
[07:54] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: libmsn0.1 4.0~beta1svn77-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[07:54] <tbr281> i did that already
[07:55] <DaSkreech> tbr281: try sudo
[07:55] <bvalek2> tbr281: use sudo
[07:55] <tbr281> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=372716
[07:55] <tbr281> thats what i tried^
[07:56] <tbr281> at the bottom
[07:56] <tbr281> if there is a different way please enlighten me
[07:57] <bvalek2> tbr281: do you know sudo?
[07:57] <bvalek2> this is what you have to do in command line: sudo GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[07:57] <darkdelusions> If i remember correctly isnt google earth in the medibuntu repo
[07:57] <bvalek2> it will ask for your password again, and the installer will have the necessary permissions
[07:58] <magoo_> dasskreech
[07:58] <magoo_> sorry, dont know how to msg you
[08:00] <darkdelusions> tbr281: follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu and add the repo then just do a sudo apt-get install googleearth-4.3
[08:01] <DaSkreech> !tab | magoo_
[08:06] <DaSkreech> magoo_: you have a nvidia card and your drivers don't work?
[08:09] <tbr281> thnx darkdelusions that worked
[08:09] <roccolord> anybody having problems with kmail in 4.2rc on 8.10?
[08:10] <HughCock> Is adept the default package manager for KDE4?
[08:10] <darkdelusions> email software still exist :)
[08:10] <roccolord> HughCock: in kubuntu it is
[08:10] <darkdelusions> HughCock: yes
[08:10] <Black_Monkey> HughCock: it is for kubuntu 8.10, but it's a distro thing
[08:11] <Ch1ppy> Does anyone have any ideas for getting MSN working in Kopete in the new RC?
[08:11] <roccolord> HughCock: will change in 9.04
[08:11] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: doesn't look to be compiled with msn support
[08:11] <HughCock> hmmm ok... because i use kubuntu and theres like 3 to choose from.. ill use adapt i guess
[08:11] <DaSkreech> HughCock: No
[08:12] <DaSkreech> There is no default package manager for KDE4
[08:12] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Odd, why would they do that when it was working in Beta 2 :S
[08:12] <DaSkreech> roccolord: What kind of errors?
[08:12] <roccolord> DaSkreech: crash on startup :)
[08:13] <DaSkreech> roccolord: Lets see
[08:13] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: well I don't know but as you said it worked find in 4.2beta2, and I read that it wasn't enable in 9.04 yet either
[08:13] <darkdelusions> roccolord: I was able to load it withou a problem
[08:13] <roccolord> darkdelusions: ok but do you have any accounts configured?
[08:13] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: I read the release announcement very closely. That specifically said no MSN support in only the Jaunty section
[08:14] <DaSkreech> roccolord: Where did you see that about 9.04 ?
[08:14] <darkdelusions> roccolord: i am setting that up now
[08:14] <DaSkreech> roccolord: kmail crashed on mail check here
[08:14] <roccolord> DaSkreech: in launchpad
[08:14] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[08:15] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: yeah you are right, it's not stated that it chouldn't work for 8.10, as it did for beta1
[08:15] <roccolord> DaSkreech: ok damn...
[08:15] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Indeed, so it *should* work... :S
[08:16] <darkdelusions> odd
[08:16] <darkdelusions> I was just able to pull all the mail from my gmail account without a crash
[08:16] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: well yeah but as you see it's not even possible to add wlm accounts
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: Might have to wait a few days
[08:17] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Yeah. The release announcement really should be updated to reflect that then, especially since there's no way to go back to beta2
[08:17] <Ch1ppy> It's highly annoying for me
[08:17] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: Mention that in #kubuntu-devel
[08:17] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: Will do
[08:18] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: the kopete package depend on libmsn anymore
[08:18] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: It does depend on libmsn, and libmsn is installed on my system
[08:18] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: in rc that is, it would if it was compiled with msn support
[08:19] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Oh, you're asking if it does depend on it?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Hmm I updated to RC and instantly it told me that libmsn wasn't needed and I could remove it so I did
[08:20] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: aptitude show kopete | grep msn
[08:20] <darkdelusions> roccolord: I had no issue with kmail after i droped an account into it
[08:20] <darkdelusions> *shrug*
[08:20] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Not there -_-
[08:21] <roccolord> DaSkreech: well that's because kopete doesn't depend on libmsn in rc
[08:21] <DaSkreech> roccolord: What is your crash message?
[08:21] <DaSkreech> roccolord: Well it must cause I sure didn't install it
[08:21] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: yeah kopete doesn't depend on libmsn as it should if it where compiled with msn support
[08:22] <Ch1ppy> roccolord: Yeah, that makes sense. Annoying
[08:22] <roccolord> Ch1ppy: yeah not the best start of the day :) no mail and no msn :)
[08:23] <turuburu> hi guys
[08:23] <bvalek2> hi
[08:23] <turuburu> i m thinking to upgrade my intrepid
[08:23] <_2> anyone ever setup exim4 for as a local smtp server ?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> turuburu: to?
[08:24] <turuburu> is upgrading to jaunty safe yet, or there are still bugs and breaks? i mean from practical experience. i know officially i must not put it yet, i m just asking if someone tried it
[08:24] <_2> i was wondering if anyone has tried this, or if i'm just wasting my time with it ???
[08:25] <_2> prolly should ask in the generic channel tho
[08:25] <turuburu> otherwise i ll partly try to upgrade to kde 4.2 rc 1 from the announced deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main. did this work for others ok?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> turuburu: breaks are happening now
[08:26] <darkdelusions> turuburu: Kde 4.2 rc 1 has been running smooth for me
[08:26] <_2> breaks are good
[08:26] <_2> if you want/need to stop something like an automobile
[08:26] <DaSkreech> check your spelling
[08:28] <_2> DaSkreech whom ?
[08:28] <Ch1ppy> turuburu: Upgrading to the RC (not Jaunty) worked great for me, aside from the unmentioned lack of MSN support in Kopete
[08:28] <DaSkreech> brakes versus breaks
[08:28] <_2> oh that.    heh i can't spell snot anyway
[08:29] <DaSkreech> snot was spelt correctly
[08:29] <_2> :)
[08:29] <turuburu> darkdelusions and Ch1ppy thanks. you encourage me at least to upgrade my intrepid to kde 4.2 rc 1
[08:30] <turuburu> do any plasmoids miss at new kde 4.2?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> turuburu: I would never recommend upgrading to a +1 unless it was in beta and even then only if you know how to track down problems and fix them
[08:30] <_2> so no experts with exim4 hangen' round ?
[08:30] <Ch1ppy> turuburu: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidKDE42Upgrades has a list
[08:30] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Some must have
[08:30] <turuburu> DaSkreech: ok i dont go to jaunty
[08:32] <darkdelusions> Ch1ppy: when i got into kopete i have an option for windows live messenger which is the same as msn do u not have that option?
[08:32] <turuburu> i had tried another ppa also with kde-nightly. i hope the kubuntu-experimental is more quality packaged since it was proposed at kubuntu.org. right?
[08:32] <HughCock> Is KDE 4.2 going stable maybe this month hopefully?
[08:32] <Ch1ppy> darkdelusions: I do not. Are you on the RC?
[08:32] <turuburu> HughCock: it will be finished end of this month, they prepare release parties
[08:33] <darkdelusions> Ch1ppy: no I am on the RC
[08:33] <darkdelusions> Ch1ppy: Version 4.1.85 (KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.2 Beta2))
[08:33] <darkdelusions> oh RC
[08:33] <darkdelusions> my bad
[08:33] <turuburu> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu intrepid main
[08:33] <turuburu> 
[08:33] <turuburu> anyone tried kde-nightly from the other project-neon ppa?
[08:33] <Ch1ppy> darkdelusions: Yeah, it worked great on beta 2, hence the irritation becuase I cannot switch back :(
[08:33] <turuburu> sorry for the extra lines. mistake of irc client
[08:34] <Ch1ppy> turuburu: the experimental contains the regular snapshots like betas and RCs, whereas the nightlies are going to be unstable
[08:34] <turuburu> ok i had really bad experience with nightly. now i get it.
[08:34] <turuburu> krandrtray was crashing, konqueror was crashing, etc
[08:34] <turuburu> and i could not find weather plugin
[08:34] <_2>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
[08:34] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Nightlies are as stated nightly. If they grab them at the wrong time you get horribly broken stuff
[08:34] <turuburu> ok i go with experimental. will it use the same .kde configuration directory?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> The experimental pretty much use released tarballs
[08:35] <turuburu> is there danger to loose any settins?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> turuburu: yes back up if you have data you can lose
[08:35] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Oh wait. no but backup anyway
[08:35] <turuburu> then i ll not backup ;)
[08:35] <turuburu> let's see
[08:36] <turuburu> when kde 4.2 will be officially at interpid. begining of feb, or after jaunty release?
[08:36] <_2> everything is completely automated, and nothing can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong can possibly go wrong
[08:37] <turuburu> :D
[08:37] <turuburu> ok i made aptitude update, full-upgrade gives me a lot of trouble
[08:37] <turuburu> i ll make the safe-upgrade first, then full-upgrade.
[08:38] <DaSkreech> turuburu: On the day it comes out
[08:38] <turuburu> safe-upgrade wants to remove amarok-nightly
[08:38] <turuburu> there is a mess of installation from various ppa and repos
[08:38] <turuburu> let's see the power of aptitude
[08:39] <_2> see earlier message   ^
[08:39] <turuburu> i hope there is way to go back to old version if i disable later the experimental repo, right? :)
[08:39] <_2> only a remove and reinstall
[08:40] <_2> apt* does not downgrad gracefully
[08:40] <_2> e
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: Techincally you can go back to Beta 2
[08:40] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: Oh?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> You can tell apt a version number to install
[08:41] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: orly... would it do that nicely? I'm guessing not eh
[08:41] <turuburu> -2: to remove completely kde and reinstall, u mean?
[08:41] <darkdelusions> Ch1ppy: well looking threw the RC stuff I did find this i know it refers to jaunty but it could be why msn is missing
[08:41] <darkdelusions> MSN support for Kopete will go in to Jaunty before it is released, however.
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: Long as you did it for each package :)
[08:42] <_2> turuburu yeah   it's the cleanest way to downgrade    probably not the "only" way, but the easiest
[08:42] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: Ouch -_-. Guess I'm waiting and using aMSN in the interim then :)
[08:42] <DaSkreech> It's having some issues being packaged now it seems
[08:42] <darkdelusions> I fail at coppy and paste
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Ch1ppy: Cheers! has kmess been packaged?
[08:42] <DaSkreech>  !info kmess
[08:42] <darkdelusions> Ch1ppy: the red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet. MSN support for Kopete will go in to Jaunty before it is released, however.
[08:43] <Ch1ppy> darkdelusions: That's Jaunty; it's in Intrepid
[08:43] <turuburu> i hope krandrtray will work ok when disabling monitors at kde 4.2 experimental
[08:43] <DaSkreech> darkdelusions: ha ha it should go in as soon as the alpha freeze lifts
[08:43] <turuburu> generally new kde 4.2 is very beautiful. it has all what it needs
[08:43] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: It has. I didn't know about that, will check it out
[08:44] <darkdelusions> Meh I just figured that was why you dont see it but dunno
[08:44] <darkdelusions> tired and thinking hurts :)
[08:44] <turuburu> i suppose also kernel .28 with ext4 will be great :)...anyone installed it at intrepid? did it work without problems? anything broke at system?
[08:44] <Ch1ppy> DaSkreech: Hm, that looks decent. I will check it out... thanks!
[08:45] <turuburu> kdebase-workspace-wallpapers failed to install :S
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Wake up you stupid bot
[08:45] <DaSkreech> !info kmess
[08:45] <turuburu> also icons failed to install or upgrade
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Booo
[08:45] <turuburu> why? because i do the upgrade running already kde?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> !info kmess jaunty
[08:45] <DaSkreech> What? What about version 2.0 ?
[08:46] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Dunno most people have some differences in the system
[08:46] <turuburu> DaSkreech: u talk about what exactly?
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Why your packages are failing
[08:47] <_2> !u
[08:48] <turuburu> ok now i do full-upgrade
[08:49] <darkdelusions> but but u is so much easy to type the you
[08:49] <darkdelusions> wow
[08:49] <darkdelusions> ok
[08:49] <turuburu> it wants to remove plasmoids :(. why? kde 4.1 plasmoids are not compatible with 4.2 ones?
[08:49] <darkdelusions> time to sleep i cant type tonight
[08:49] <turuburu> i especially like plasmoid-weather and teacooker at 4.1. can i compile them for 4.2?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> turuburu: no they aren't
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Yes you probably can
[08:50] <DaSkreech> They may have replacements already
[08:50] <DaSkreech> but if not you can try to recompile
[08:50] <turuburu> ah. above it says the reason why it wants to remove. it says that all these depends from libplasma2 but this is not installable!?
[08:50] <turuburu> any idea about?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> after 4.2 the API is locked so eerything here out should work
[08:51] <DaSkreech> apt-get install libplasma2
[08:51] <DaSkreech> see what it says
[08:51]  * _2 point DaSkreech out to the spelling nazi'
[08:52] <DaSkreech> apt-get install v && s/ee/eve
[08:52] <_2> DaSkreech now it looks like you can't spell snot
[08:53] <turuburu> DaSkreech: it says it is already installed. it is set at manually installed.
[08:53] <turuburu> and to run apt-get -f install to fix the broken kde-icons-oxygen
[08:54] <DaSkreech> go then
[08:54] <turuburu> apt-get -f install proposes to remove kdelibs5-dev
[08:54] <DaSkreech> that shouldn't kill you
[08:55] <tbr281> where do i go to ucheck for distro upgrades in kde4?
[08:55] <tbr281> check*
[08:55] <tbr281> after upgrading to kubuntu 8.10 i got lost :P
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:56] <DaSkreech> tbr281: There are no distro upgrades from 8.10
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: could go to jaunty(?)
[08:56] <tbr281> what about kde?
[08:56] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: You don't have a check for that
[08:57] <DaSkreech> tbr281: What about it?
[08:57] <Tm_T> _2: stop
[08:57] <tbr281> where do i go to check for upgrades?
[08:57] <Xembalo> hello, on my test-system i'm using jaunty and updated to kde 4.2 rc yesterday. but now the screen is compleately black or white after login... what could i do?
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: true, but its an option
[08:57] <_2> Tm_T ?
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> tbr281: sudo apt-gt update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo atpt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: But there is no check for it :-P
[08:57] <tbr281> it used to be in the package manager
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> tbr281: is your system malfunctioning?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> tbr281: normal updates to KDE are just updates
[08:58] <turuburu> DaSkreech: how come aptitude could not handle this issue, but apt-get -f install could? i thought aptitude is better. as it seems it depends th case,r ight?
[08:58] <Xembalo> on terminal, "sudo plasma" brings the message: plasma crashes
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> tbr281: still is, irc is a text based interface so I give CLI based commands
[08:58] <DaSkreech> turuburu: aptitude depends on apt which depends on dpkg
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> Xembalo: users can run plasma, no need for sudo
[09:00] <Xembalo> plasma(4478): Communication problem with  "plasma" , it probably crashed.
[09:00] <Xembalo> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[09:00] <Xembalo> basti@basti-linux:~$ KCrash: Application 'plasma' crashing...
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> Xembalo: try: killall plasma; mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc_old
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> Xembalo: then logout
[09:01] <turuburu> still not fixed neither icons, neither libplasma2
[09:01] <_2> turuburu "they cay aptitude is better because of better dependancy resolution"  but i find it to be less affective at actually fixing things than apt.   precisely because it will more easily remove things that are in the way.
[09:01] <Xembalo> ActionParsnip: thanks, i'll try
[09:01] <turuburu> i have an error message that the same icon at kdeoffice-data-kde4. maybe removing this can help
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> _2: its the same difference
[09:02] <_2> s=cay=say=
[09:02] <_2> ActionParsnip no it's not.
[09:02] <turuburu> -2: i see
[09:02] <ActionParsnip> _2: ive resolved all issues with apt and very rarely see aptitude used in guides
[09:03] <turuburu> i think my problems are related to some koffice ppa
[09:03] <turuburu> i ll try to disable some of repos
[09:03] <turuburu> and update upgrade again
[09:03] <_2> ActionParsnip right, and one good example would be to attempt to remove exim4  on a debian system  using first aptitude remove   then apt-get remove    the aptitude remove will not remove it.  apt will.
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> _2: i dont have aptitude / synaptic etc installed on my system as apt does everything. theres another i removed too. I dont understand why their are so many, apt is geat
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> _2: and maybe synaptic for gui folks
[09:05] <_2> deselect
[09:05] <turuburu> still mess
[09:06] <turuburu> should i disable intrepid_backports?
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> _2: debget
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> _2: tbh i usually use apt-build these days
[09:07] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Ack. Remove koffice
[09:07] <turuburu> let's see
[09:07] <_2> ah.   i have never used dselect but see ubiquity using it so i assume it has it's place too
[09:08] <turuburu> didnt work this
[09:08] <turuburu> it events tells me that digikam is deffective
[09:08] <turuburu> anyway
[09:08] <turuburu> i will just do maybe what aptitude say, remove all this
[09:09] <turuburu> libkexiv2-3{a} libkipi-common{a} libkipi0{a} libplasma2{a} plasmoid-lancelot{a} plasmoid-previewer{a}
[09:09] <turuburu>   python-plasma-examples{u}
[09:09] <turuburu>  
[09:09] <turuburu>  
[09:09] <turuburu> :(....sorry again. bad editor
[09:09] <_2> brake
[09:09] <Firefishe> I'm running Intrepid with the kde beta 4.2 beta release.  When I plug in my sansa usb player, it's not recognized.  How can I control this function?  I have usbmount and the like, installed.
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> turuburu: make a little note of whats uninstalled and then reinstall it when its done
[09:09] <turuburu> ActionParsnip: thanks for idea
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: does it show up in sudo fdisk -l
[09:09] <Firefishe> to my knowledge, it should function just like any other usb drive
[09:09] <Firefishe> let me check
[09:10] <_2> ActionParsnip there is also a big note in /var/log/dpkg.log
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> _2: regarding what?
[09:10] <_2> the little note
[09:10] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  Nope.
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: unplug it, replug it in then if its powered on and not detected, run dmesg | tail
[09:11] <Firefishe> k
[09:11] <turuburu> -2 thanks
[09:11] <_2> welcome
[09:12] <Firefishe> It's getting power, that's it.  Let me check dmesg
[09:12] <turuburu> 4.1.96 is version 4.2 rc 1?
[09:13] <turuburu> haha. already with half new kde 4.2 install, old 4.1 missed K-meny icon
[09:14] <turuburu> apt did not resolve problem, let's see with aptitude
[09:14] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  Here's the output:  http://rafb.net/p/qHezPb12.html
[09:14] <turuburu> so anyone install new kerner 2.6.28 at intrepid?
[09:15] <Salze> Hi, I have some issues with KDE 4.2 RC I did not have with beta 2. Are bugreports welcome? If so, on launchpad, or anywhere else?
[09:15] <turuburu> pfff. installation ended with 30!! broken packages
[09:16] <turuburu> because kdebaseruntime not configured yet
[09:16] <turuburu> i ll reboot
[09:16] <_2> no
[09:16] <_2> pfft.
[09:17] <_2> Salze   i'm not sure where they are taking bug reports for that.   but yes there have been several complaining about it.
[09:17] <_2> i would think "launchpad" but not sure.
[09:17] <Tm_T> Salze: yes please bugreports, launchpad is fine
[09:18] <Salze> Ok, thx.
[09:18] <Firefishe> wb turuburu
[09:19] <turuburu> great
[09:19] <turuburu> i m at new kde 4.2
[09:19] <turuburu> with no icons at all
[09:19] <turuburu> no menu icons, no k icons, nothing about icons
[09:19] <turuburu> :D
[09:19] <turuburu> a whole mess
[09:19] <turuburu> i ll go see what happens
[09:20] <Firefishe> I'm sticking with beta 2 for a while ;)
[09:20] <turuburu> i ll will pastebin to see what i mean
[09:20] <Firefishe> ActionParsnip:  Any idea what that might be?
[09:20] <_2> turuburu sudo dpkg --configure -a --force-all
[09:21] <turuburu> _2 thanks let's see
[09:21] <_2> turuburu follow with    sudo apt-get install -f
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> turuburu: rename all ~/.kde folders and reboot, you'll get a stock set which should be nicer
[09:21] <gabo> alguien que me diga que es este programa???
[09:21] <_2> he'll need to finish his install at any rate though
[09:21] <turuburu> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> Firefishe: i think you need to websearch the errors you have, yuo could try disabling acpi in kernel to see if it helps any
[09:22] <turuburu> _2 this seems to worked. what exactly did this? now install proceeds!
[09:22] <Firefishe> So I have to lose my power control to mount usb devices?
[09:22] <gabo> i need help
[09:22] <_2> turuburu you're welcome.
[09:22] <Firefishe> well, that's why it's called a beta ;)
[09:22] <Firefishe> okay, off to the web
[09:23] <_2> !es | gabo es ?
[09:23] <turuburu> _2 the comns u told dpkg: kdebase-runtime: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request
[09:23] <turuburu> i like this "anyway"
[09:23] <turuburu> what means to "configure" them? what it did?
[09:24] <turuburu> it told them "work and shut up" ? :D
[09:24] <_2> turuburu yes
[09:24] <_2> turuburu that was the  "--force-all"   you can  "man dpkg" and read all about it.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> turuburu: well if you have 30 packages missing :-P
[09:25] <turuburu> cool. i ll keep this one. till now i thought i was handling good the installations. i think once more i used this force all in my life
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> force-all can be dead useful sometimes
[09:25] <turuburu> thanks guys
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> don't use it zealously though or you'll break stuff
[09:25] <_2> DaSkreech they were just loop depending most likely
[09:25] <turuburu> this was the most messy installation
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:25] <DaSkreech> turuburu: I can get you to beat it in 3 minutes
[09:25] <turuburu> intrepid already installed from hardy, with kde-nightly, koffice2 beta, so many unofficial repots etc
[09:25] <DaSkreech> upgrade to jaunty
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: install gentoo ;)
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> much harder
[09:26] <turuburu> no i will not update till rc
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> for those not accustomed to gentoo installs
[09:26] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: install $myFIRSTdistro
[09:26] <noaXess> hi all
[09:26] <turuburu> last time i was updating to intrepid betas , i regreted it hard. i could not even mount media
[09:26] <noaXess> hm.. was disconnected..
[09:26] <turuburu> all this for the impatience to use new kde ;)
[09:26] <noaXess> is there a place to post a screenshot?
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: mandrake 6 was fine for me
[09:26]  * _2 does  apt-get install gentoo   ... nothing to it.
[09:27] <turuburu> now ti asks me about /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc. should it be replaced with new version?
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> hahahahaha
[09:27] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Yeah but you didn't make it now did you?
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: make what?
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> turuburu: i'd keep yours
[09:27] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: A new distro
[09:27] <_2> turuburu that's at your discression,   if you don't care just say yes
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: true, its made by some dudes in france afaik
[09:27] <turuburu> i think i ll say yes. manually i never edited this file. but i ll keep a backup of old
[09:28] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Right. try start with just a kernel and shell and then install the rest of what would be a distro yourself :0
[09:28] <DaSkreech> turuburu: good move
[09:28] <turuburu> stilll one broken package. guess what? icons again :D
[09:28] <Firefishe> bbl
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: i do in gentoo, and have done successfully a few times
[09:28] <turuburu> i will restart anyway for the new changes
[09:29] <_2> turuburu just restart the gui
[09:29] <_2> no reason to reboot
[09:29] <turuburu> yes alt+ctrl+backspace
[09:29] <turuburu> that's what i do
[09:29] <turuburu> brb
[09:29] <_2> ok
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> _2: a cold boot is a god way to test booting all the way through, especially with an upgrade like that
[09:29] <DaSkreech> or logout and press alt=E
[09:29] <DaSkreech> alt+E
[09:30] <robin0800> Firefox Problem http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/104767/
[09:30] <_2> ActionParsnip so is   sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | robin0800
[09:30] <tommi> Hello everyone! Hope Someone could help me out a little... I have this problem with booting Kubuntu 8.10. The progress bar stops several times while booting and doesn't do anything unless I press a key... It's a really anoying problem. All help appreciated.
[09:31] <_2> tommi boot with   "nosplash"  and see where it's hanging, and possably why
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> tommi: boot to recovery console and edit /boot/grub/menu.list so that you have the nosplash option
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | tommi
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> tommi: you can then watch the boot instead of a meaningless progress bar
[09:32] <_2> more or less
[09:32] <tommi> All right, thanks guys! I'll look into that.
[09:33] <_2> without adding verbose you still aren't really watching much.
[09:33] <toki_> hey guys im looking for 8.10 support
[09:33] <toki_> ubuntu
[09:33] <_2> #ubuntu
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> toki_: you're in the right place
[09:34] <toki_> ok im new to ubuntu and im having resolution probalms drivers are good but it wont reconize my display tried the displayconfig but it wont load in the terminal
[09:34] <mtux> I'm Using KDE 4.2 RC1 on Kubuntu 8.10 (Updated one hour ago) , and Plasma crashes on KDE Login! The backtrace is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/104768/
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> toki_: what video card?
[09:35] <toki_> nvidia fx5200
[09:36] <_2> drivers are good but it wont reconize my display <<< sounds like a contradiction to me.
[09:36] <toki_> ok well my display is my 32" flat screen
[09:37] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: posted as requested still think its 4.2rc that has removed a shared library it worked before last update
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> toki_: did yuo gksudo nvidia-settings ?
[09:38] <toki_> no
[09:39] <ummels> Just installed KDE 4.2 RC1 on Kubuntu 8.10, too. Seems that Kopete is not compiled with libmsn enabled anymore. Any reasons for this?
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> toki_: do so, follow onscreen instructions if you get any, or simply set your resolution
[09:39] <_2> ummels i hear that it's some red tape with permission from M$
[09:40] <toki_> ok the same thing is happening like when i try to start the app  it says its opening but never does just starts another line
[09:41] <_2> ummels "should" be worked out before it goes beta   at least that's what scuttel butt has to say about it
[09:42] <Tm_T> _2: ummels: only because there's no new enough release from libmsn
[09:42] <ummels> _2: are you referring to jaunty or intrepid?
[09:42] <Tm_T> ummels: I think we get that libmsn thingie solved soon, if not, slap me hard
[09:42] <_2> ummels intrepid
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> toki_: to configure your installed driver you need to get that app running (or manually configure xorg.conf, your choice)
[09:43] <kyle__> do you guys reckon jaunty's development packages are worth going to? Because intrepid's bugs are killing me softly
[09:43] <robin0800> ummels: delayed approval from microsoft due to christmass
[09:43] <Tm_T> robin0800: ?
[09:43] <toki_> ok i just not sure why its not load im a complete noob to linux
[09:43] <Tm_T> kyle__: no, unless you know what you're doing
[09:43] <kyle__> OK thnx Tm_T
[09:44] <ummels> Thanks four your answers
[09:44] <robin0800> Tm_T: its on the release page
[09:44]  * Tm_T looks
[09:44] <_2> kyle__ if a release is too buggy then upgrading to an alpha would be "less buggy" ???     err ummm maybe not.
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | toki_
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> toki_: read that its dead helpful
[09:45] <tommi> Okay, I rebooted in recovery mode to see why the boot stalls, but there are no error messages, it looks like a perfectly normal boot, except that it stops at random places and I have to press a random key so that the proceeds. I had to press a key at least 20 times to get through the booting... It seems really weird...
[09:45] <kyle__> kde4 still has a lot to be ironed out
[09:45] <_2> yeah,
[09:46] <Tm_T> though its fine here
[09:46] <Tm_T> but then again I guess I'm not "normal user"
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> runs ok here but i dont use kwin
[09:47] <_2> tommi that does seem a bit odd indeed.   you have waited to make sure that you aren't pressing keys for naught ?
[09:49] <Tm_T> robin0800: sorry I fail to see anything about MS approval
[09:49] <robin0800> _2: blutooth ati drivers firefox all not working now
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> tommi: i'd run an fsck and a memory test just to take those out of the equation
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: choose one and work on it
[09:50] <Tm_T> robin0800: ah, now I notice, though different thing
[09:50] <_2> robin0800 o.O
[09:50] <_2> Tm_T what was  "<Tm_T> _2: stop"  ?
[09:51] <robin0800> Tm_T: Note that due to the holidays, the red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet. MSN support
[09:52] <ummels> robin0800: But this refers to Jaunty, not to Intrepid. In Intrepid (using packages from the PPA) Kopete with MSN support worked fine with the 4.2 Beta 2 packages, but is broken in 4.2. RC1
[09:53] <robin0800> ummels: correct so is firefox install
[09:55] <Tm_T> robin0800: aye, IIRC nothing to do with MS
[09:55] <toki_> ok i see what i need to do but how do i do it
[09:55] <ame> !nvidia
[09:55] <Tm_T> _2: you were talking nonsense to DaSkreech
[09:55] <robin0800> Tm_T: msn is microsoft
[09:56] <DaSkreech> kyle__: what needs ironing out?
[09:56] <_2> Tm_T the typos ?     heh  ok.
[09:57] <Tm_T> robin0800: yes, but, bah, still that issue isn't involving MS (:
[09:58] <robin0800> Tm_T:  libmsn is it needs approval
[09:58] <Tm_T> robin0800: it needs approval to get into main, but not from MS IIRC
[09:58] <Tm_T> robin0800: feel free to prove me wrong, as I might not know everything (it happens I heard)
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Everything in main should only need approval from one company to get there
[09:59] <Tm_T> exactly
[09:59] <robin0800> Tm_T: red tape needed to include libmsn in main has not been cleared yet think that means msn aproval?
[10:00] <_2> red tape     hmmmm
[10:00] <Tm_T> robin0800: no, that means Ubuntu devels find it good enough to be in ain
[10:00] <Tm_T> main
[10:01] <_2> red tape != yellow ribbon
[10:02] <_2> everything in main should be gpl'd    no?
[10:03] <_2> or is that debian mentality ?
[10:03] <Tm_T> how libmsn is not gpl?
[10:03] <_2> i didn't say it wasn't     did i?
[10:03] <Tm_T> no you didn't, did I say you did? :--P
[10:04] <ummels> So what's the problem with the KDE 4.2RC1 packages for Intrepid? I have libmsn0.1 installed from PPA, but kopete doesn't seem linked to it.
[10:04] <_2> i only asked if main was 100% gpl
[10:04] <_2> you implied that i implied or insenuated or something insane
[10:04] <Tm_T> _2: I always do
[10:04] <robin0800> Tm_T: whose is the eed tape?
[10:05] <robin0800> red
[10:05] <Tm_T> robin0800: in this case, I do not know exactly who's stopping us, prolly libmsn needs some polishing so Canonical can say "we support it"
[10:05] <_2> ummels it's not.   as far as i can tell
[10:06] <robin0800> Tm_T: why mention msn then?
[10:06] <Tm_T> robin0800: MSN support in Kopete depends on libmsn these days
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> could just run msn messenger via wine (not live messenger)
[10:07] <Tm_T> ummels: 1) that libmsn from whatever ppa is old, so may break with latest MSN server upgrades
[10:07] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: it's not the same (:
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: depends what you need from the protocol
[10:08] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: or client
[10:08] <_2> could grab raw packets from the protocal headers and hope they are yours....    err maybe not.
[10:09] <ummels> Tm_T: So Kopete from RC1 needs a newer version of libmsn than Kopete from Beta2?
[10:09] <Tm_T> ummels: no, prolly even that Kopete from beta2 fails now
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: exactly, so its not always a bad choice, it has benefits :)
[10:10] <ummels> Tm_T: yesterday it worked just fine
[10:10] <Tm_T> ummels: anyway, I'm poking fellows if this could be fixed soon and all
[10:10] <ummels> Anyway, if MSN support is broken it should be in the release announcement (in the Intrepid section, not just in the Jaunty section)
[10:11] <ummels> Tm_T: Thanks a lot
[10:11] <Tm_T> ummels: I don't think it was planned to be broken (:)
[10:11] <ummels> hehe
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> could just drop msn like dropping microsoft's OS
[10:13] <_2> yep
[10:15] <_2> what kind of default fork bomb protection does hardy or intrepid have ?
[10:15] <toki_> i cant get the displayconfig or nvidia settings to run from the terminal
[10:16] <_2> toki_ have you tried    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   ?
[10:16] <toki_> no im new to all this so i dont know much
[10:17] <_2> toki_ well try it, and follow it with a test of the gui.  startx
[10:17] <DaSkreech> _2: install spork
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> toki_: nvidia-settings needs an x server to run
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> toki_: try a reboot
[10:18] <_2> if it gets you into xorg then you can run the other commands
[10:18] <_2> DaSkreech spork ?
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Better protection than a fork
[10:19] <DaSkreech> I would tell you to remove FUSE to assist with the bomb part
[10:20] <toki_> action parsnips. i have the nvidia x server
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> toki_: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-settings
[10:20] <_2> no i'm serious this time.   (believe that if you dare)   have they set any ulimit or anything to prevent a forkbomb or runaway process from bringing down the whole system ?
[10:22] <ame> hello ... i've some trouble with graphical card... nvidia geforce fx5200... i've tried all the driver for nvidia, but the only one that seems to work is nvidia-glx-depency, but it runs at low resolution (max 800x600) and i know that it can work at more high resolution... what can I do?
[10:25] <peterz> I can't seem to install kubuntu-desktop on jaunty -- complaining that kdebase-runtime is still .85 whilst it requires >=.96
[10:27] <_2> !jaunty
[10:27] <_2>    Jackalope  o.O   <.<    O.o   >.>
[10:28] <toki_> none of that did anything
[10:28] <_2> toki_ none of that did anything ?    can you clearify that jsut a little please ?
[10:29] <_2> do you mean that the problem remains unchanged ?
[10:29] <toki_> sorry im just frustrated
[10:29] <_2> yes computers are enfuriating
[10:30] <toki_> anytime i try to run displayconfig or nvidia settings it starts to open the app but then it justs stops and another line comes up in the terminal no error just nothing
[10:30] <dr_willis> so are women, and pets. and kids.. and.. err life..
[10:30] <dr_willis> :)
[10:30] <_2> dr_willis hmmm i wouldn't know.
[10:31] <dr_willis> You have none of the above :)
[10:31] <dr_willis> You Live on IRC! :)
[10:31] <dr_willis> where you can BAN all your problems away
[10:31] <_2> :)))
[10:32] <amerigo> i was ame
[10:32] <ka> Hi
[10:32] <_2> toki_ lets clearify one other term being used here.  by terminal do you mean a terminal emulator running inside of xorg   or a real console tty  ?
[10:33] <toki_> hell i dont know
[10:33] <ka> Is it possible to load different plasmoids on different desktops?
[10:33] <Takahani> Hi, after the upgrade to KDE 4.2 RC, WLM poete plugin no longer works, is this normal ?
[10:33] <dr_willis> !term
[10:33] <dr_willis> !terminal
[10:33] <Takahani> poete = kopete
[10:33] <Takahani> kubuntu 8.10
[10:33] <Tm_T> Takahani: known
[10:34] <_2> toki_  terminal emulators have title bars and scroll bars and window borders and things like that.   consoles are full screen
[10:34] <ka> Takahani: What is the WLM plugin?
[10:34] <Takahani> Tm_T:ok. Any workaround
[10:34] <Takahani> ka: msn
[10:34] <dr_willis> 'console' = alt-ctrl-f1 Consoles :)
[10:34] <toki_> ok term emu the one you access through applications
[10:34] <Takahani> ka:w***s Live messenger
[10:35] <ka> Takahani: I will try it my self and see if I can load it...
[10:35] <Takahani> ka: okay, i wasn't able on two different machine
[10:35] <_2> toki_ ok.  and you tried  kdesudo nvidia-config      use the tab key cause i may not have called it by the right name... ?
[10:35] <Takahani> ka: but they are 64 bit
[10:35] <_2> !tab > toki_
[10:36] <amerigo> i got problem with nvidia driver... i've istalled nvidia xserver then i've run as root nvidia-xconfig.... now the login is in text mode.. and I can't go in graphical mode  at login ...
[10:36] <amerigo> azzzzzzz
[10:36] <dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings  i think are the 2 commands..
[10:36] <_2> @ toki_   ^
[10:36] <dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig is the NON-X program that geenrates a new xorg.conf file
[10:37] <dr_willis> nvidia-settings is the X app that teaks the x config
[10:37] <_2> @ toki_   ^
[10:37] <ka> I have 64 bit too.
[10:37] <Takahani> also anyone else have Xorg memory > 500 Mo after some hours with kde 4, kubuntu 8.10, nvidia, 64 bit
[10:37] <ummels> takahani: ka: same problem on 32 bit
[10:37] <Takahani> ?
[10:37] <dr_willis> ive had no issues with nvidia on 64bit
[10:37] <Takahani> ummels: ok
[10:37] <dr_willis> or 32bit. :)
[10:38] <Takahani> dr_willis: after upgrade to kde 4.2 RC ?
[10:38] <ka> *afk*
[10:38] <_2> dr_willis thanks for that heads up.    and can you maybe point toki_ in the right dirrection there. he's already tired of messing with it. and really needs some "good" help in place of my advice.
[10:39] <dr_willis> Takahani,  yep. One machine is upgrade.. it worked fine.. which suprised me. :)
[10:39] <dr_willis> Im off to take the wife to the Dr. Office in about 10 min..
[10:39] <Takahani> dr_willis: yea, it may be a bug :p
[10:39] <dr_willis> a lot of other peoples have issues with ugradingubuntu and nvidia drivers..  - ibe heard of no issues from upgrading to kde 4.2 however
[10:40] <dr_willis> and i recently did  install the 4.2 beta 2 on this box with a nvidia 8800 and no issues
[10:40] <_2> we are hearing issues with the 4.2 rc1 tho
[10:40] <Qrawl> I updated, and now KDE has disappeared
[10:40] <Takahani> dr_willis: no issue here with nvidia except msn plugin and Xorg huge memory leak
[10:40] <Qrawl> im on Ubuntu now
[10:41] <ka> Takahani: I have 90 MB by Xorg, system been running since 0900...
[10:41] <Qrawl> anybody having problems?  I updated KDE and it disappeared
[10:41] <Qrawl> I go to login screen and its not even there anymore
[10:42] <ka> _2: No problems here either
[10:42] <Qrawl> am I the only one?
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: you are missing some package I would guess
[10:42] <toki_> ok ive been able to get to this through the admin bar it wont let me change my resolution it doesnt reconize my display
[10:42] <amerigo> screen text at login , but i don't think to be the same situation
[10:43] <ka> Not even xorg leak...unless you call 90 mb a leak (which I would, had I not 8GB of ram)
[10:43] <Qrawl> it says unmet dependencies for :   kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data
[10:43] <ka> But I am running without compositing for the moment...
[10:43] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: install kdebase-workspace-data
[10:44] <Takahani> ka: do you use gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[10:44] <_2> ka i would think 10m of ram used by xorg a leak.
[10:44] <Takahani> ka: i suspect it to be the leaker
[10:44] <Qrawl> DaSkreech: ok, I dont want to mess anything up.  I installed Kubuntu from scratch, then added the experimental line to my sources, then upgraded.  thats all I did
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: should work then but things happen
[10:45] <_2> before starting xorg  Memory Used/Total Percent: 38/502 MB (5.7%)  after starting xorg  Memory Used/Total Percent: 41/502 MB (6.5%)    but that's on a "dapper LTS"
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: try sudo apt-get install -f
[10:45] <Takahani> ka: cause i use firefox a lot, and with this engine, it seems to be a huge memory consumer
[10:46] <Qrawl> DaSkreech: I dont want to -f
[10:46] <amerigo> !it
[10:46] <Qrawl> DaSkreech: if somethings broken, I want to fix it
[10:46] <_2> Qrawl sounds like you need to   man apt-get
[10:46] <DaSkreech> that's what -f means
[10:46] <Qrawl> i dont want to force anything
[10:47] <Qrawl> I know what -f is
[10:47] <_2> Qrawl sounds like you need to   man apt-get
[10:47] <dr_willis> -f = fix
[10:47] <_2> no you don't
[10:47] <dr_willis> i thought
[10:47] <dr_willis> :)
[10:47] <Qrawl> oh
[10:47] <_2> -f == --fix-missing
[10:47] <dr_willis>  does it really matter what it means? :)
[10:47] <Qrawl> i need to reboot. i installed that package
[10:47] <Qrawl> ok, ty
[10:47] <dr_willis> -f = fancy fun frog fettish
[10:47] <dr_willis> :P
[10:47] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: You need to logout not reboot
[10:47] <Qrawl> i know, Im not a total noob
[10:47] <ka> Nope I have no process called gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[10:47] <Qrawl> ive been using Kubuntu and Ubuntu forever now
[10:48] <Takahani> it not a process, it's a package wichi allow to map gtk style with the current qt style (ie to make firefox and gtk app look good under kde4)
[10:48] <DaSkreech> So slightly longer than they have existed :)
[10:49] <_2> two days
[10:50] <ka> Takahani: Oh OK but unless I am running a gtk app I shouldn't experinece a leak or should I?
[10:50] <toki_> can someone post the ubuntu channel
[10:50] <ka> #ubuntu?
[10:50] <_2> /join #ubuntu
[10:50] <Qrawl> ok
[10:50] <Qrawl> all working, I think
[10:51] <tmcg> just installed kde 4.2rc,tried embedded movies okular and got 'Annotation "Movie" not supported'
[10:52] <ka> So does anyone know if it is possible to load different plasmoids on different desktops?
[10:52] <Takahani> ka: yes, i guess
[10:53] <Takahani> ka: i mean shouldn't experience
[10:53] <ka> Takahani: How? When I flip the cube alle sides are the same...
[10:53] <Takahani> ka: for this i don't know
[10:53] <ka> Takahani: Aha cross posting ;-)
[10:54] <Qrawl> I was one of those people that thought KDE4 was going in the wronng direction, but now I have to change my mind
[10:54] <Qrawl> this new version is a big leap
[10:55] <tmcg> probably libpoppler-0.8.7 in intrepid is to old
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: Wait till 4.3
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Moreso 4.5
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Qrawl: plus Qt is LGPL path now!
[10:56] <Qrawl> I read about that
[10:56] <Qrawl> in aseigos blog
[10:56] <turuburu> ok guys
[10:56] <turuburu> after multiple apt and aptitudes
[10:56] <turuburu> i managed to go to kde4.2
[10:56] <DaSkreech> turuburu:  :-)
[10:56] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Good now?
[10:56] <turuburu> i should remove koffice and kttsd
[10:57] <turuburu> DaSkreech:  i have the same bugs like in kde-nightly
[10:57] <DaSkreech> Which are ?
[10:57] <turuburu> i have a laptop with external monitor and intel graphic card. when i disable laptop screen, and want to keep only external monitor, then kwin crashes
[10:57] <turuburu> this is either i do it from settings or from krandrtray
[10:57] <Eutychus> hello room. i am wanting to put kubuntu on my laptop with vista; and would prefer to use the dvd (if there is one) what is the difference between the i386 and the i386 alternative downloads for bittorrent?
[10:58] <turuburu> any idea?
[10:58] <turuburu> also some times when i resize the background of desktop, a 1/5 part of it at right part, has another color and cannot see the plasmas underneath
[10:58] <tmcg> any ideas how to get okular to work (package poppler-0.9/0.10)
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: One is a live CD one is a straight install Getting the DVD negates the choice
[10:58] <ka> Eutychus: The alternative version wont give you a live system som you can try before you install.
[10:59] <turuburu> kde desktop effects make google earth display corrupt
[10:59] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Hitting bed now. #kde might answer some questions
[10:59] <turuburu> i like the environment though
[10:59] <turuburu> ok dask
[10:59] <turuburu> thanks
[10:59] <turuburu> anyone has installed new linux kernel?
[11:00] <_2> Eutychus the dvd includes both the live cd and alternative installation methoods    arik
[11:00] <_2> afik
[11:00] <Eutychus> which one will spend the least amount of time updating online? i am under the impression that the dvd will have more on it, and therefore will spend less time online to update. Is this a correct assumption?
[11:00] <_2> wrong impression
[11:01] <jonasfa> Hello guys.. i've got a little question...
[11:01] <Eutychus> ic so cd is best way to go, yes?
[11:01] <ka> Eutychus: It depends on what you install and which packages have been updated since october...
[11:01] <jonasfa> how can a make an connection system-wide in knetworkmanager?
[11:02] <_2> Eutychus i didn't say that.  if you can afford the bandwidth  then the dvd is the way to go
[11:02] <ka> jonasfa: Explain
[11:02] <jonasfa> my wireless connection is activated when I log in
[11:02] <jonasfa> i want it to connect before any user logs in
[11:02] <jefferai> can anyone help me with a DVD playback problem?  I've installed libdvdread, libdvdnav, and I've run the install-css.sh helper, and followed every article/tutorial I could find online, but still xine and vlc and ogle refuse to play DVDs saying they can't decrypt them
[11:03] <jefferai> libdvdcss2 is definitely installed
[11:03] <ka> I have had the same problem on some dvds
[11:03] <jefferai> so you're saying it may be specific to certain DVDs?
[11:04] <_2> Eutychus a standard desktop install from either the cd or dvd will both require a lot of updated packages.  while the dvd has more options and includes both the desktop livecd and the alternate install cd  methoods.
[11:04] <jonasfa> does anybody knows how can I make my wireless network start on boot time? (before any user logs in)
[11:04] <ka> jefferai: Yes, maybe, but only experienced it with two DVD s
[11:04] <Eutychus> ka, i am going to dl the torrent right now. i just need to know which one is better for a  1 year old laptop with vista on it. i can afford the bandwidth.
[11:04] <ka> Eutychus: DVD
[11:05] <Eutychus> thanx ka.
[11:05] <jefferai> ka: interesting, on my other box (gentoo) I couldn't play this DVD..but I had tried that a long time ago so didn't think about it much until now
[11:05] <jefferai> it's been the same DVD both times
[11:05] <Eutychus> and that is the alternate i386?
[11:05] <ka> Eutychus: If you want to install with RAID or something (usually not an option for laptops...
[11:06] <jonasfa> ka: does anybody knows how can I make my wireless network start at boot time? (before any user logs in) I'm using kubuntu and KNetworkManager
[11:07] <DaSkreech> jonasfa: It already does that
[11:07] <mm_> DaSkreech
[11:07] <_2> DaSkreech knetworkmanager runs before login ?
[11:07] <Eutychus> ka, i found the dvd download. i just did not look down far enough on the web page. thank you for your help.    :)
[11:07] <Qrawl> how do you make it so when you click the Konversation tray icon, it remembers to be maximized
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Sorry sleeping
[11:07] <jefferai> ka: bingo, that was it...thanks, you've saved me from going on a trip with a seriesfull of unplayable disks
[11:07] <jonasfa> DaSkreech: i can't find it... when i used gnome it was there.. but not in kde
[11:07] <DaSkreech> i was hearing I need the network to connect before I login
[11:08] <jonasfa> DaSkreech: yes.. in gnome's network manager there is an option to make the connection system-wide
[11:08] <_2> do the wifi docs have anything on that ?
[11:08] <_2> !wifi
[11:10] <jonasfa> my wireless connection is working.. I just can't make it system-wide.. there's no option in KNetworkManager
[11:10] <ka> Hm isn't there a config file you could edit?
[11:10] <jonasfa> i don't know :/
[11:10] <_2>  /etc/network/interfaces   maybe
[11:10] <jonasfa> where NetworkManager stores user connections?
[11:11] <jack> just updated to kde4.2RC from Beta and msn protocol is lost from kopete - Is there a package?
[11:12] <_2> known issue. jack,  and short answer is no.
[11:12] <jack> cheers
[11:12] <tmcg> shouldn't okular in kde4.2RC depend on poppler 0.10
[11:12] <_2> amsn can be used
[11:13] <ka> Crap I was tossed out for some reason. I am blaming firefox...
[11:13] <turuburu> how can i easily compile 2.6.28 kernel at intrepid?
[11:14] <ka> Interestingly Xorg now only uses 7 mb ram...
[11:14] <_2> ka that's more like it.
[11:14] <ka> and plasma 1,8mb instead of 168mb
[11:14] <_2> still heaver than i like  but acceptable
[11:15] <jack> can a note be attached to the notice on kubuntu.org/news ? Was last time and may save a lot of people popping up here asking Qs
[11:16] <_2> there needs to be one. yes.    i have no access though
[11:16] <ka> Is there a reliable and fast way (multithreading) to copy 700gb of data for usb to hdd in kde?
[11:16]  * _2 doesn't actually exist.
[11:18] <Salze_> ka: Writing multiple streams in parallel to the hdd would actually make copying slower.
[11:18] <ka> _2: Was that at me?
[11:18] <ka> On a raid 5 system?
[11:18] <Salze_> Yes.
[11:18] <_2> multithreading = more disk i/o = less effecient in that case.   full block i/o = fastest.
[11:19] <ka> ok.
[11:19] <mok0> I installed KDE-4.2 from the ppa and now I don't have a window manager anymore :-(
[11:19] <ka> I just use dolphions excellent "copy to" context menu then :-)
[11:20] <mok0> I don't have the choise of "KDE" at the login screen, and I don't have GNOME installed
[11:21] <_2> ka yeah that's second best    only thing that would be better would be a dd that started at data block 1 and ended at last used data block with bs set correctly.     and that is playing dangerously too.
[11:21] <Mamarok> mok0: you are talking about 4.2 RC1?
[11:21] <ka> mok0: Do you get to the KDM loginscreen?
[11:21] <mok0> ka, yes, the one with the list of users
[11:22] <ka> I dont like dd burnt my self with that command to many times
[11:22] <mok0> ka, but I can only select "Failsafe", Gnome, remote conn
[11:22] <_2> ka thus the last statement ^ up there "playing dangerously"
[11:23] <mok0> Mamarok: yes
[11:23] <mok0> Mamarok: for Intrepid
[11:23] <Mamarok> mok0: did you get any error messages during installation?
[11:23] <mok0> Mamarok: yes
[11:23] <ka> mok0: Choose menu and console log in.
[11:24] <mok0> ka: I am logged onto the console now
[11:24] <ka> And do som apt-get magic from there
[11:24] <Mamarok> mok0: try sudo apt-get update, then upgrade
[11:24] <_2> mok0 magic in question    sudo apt-get install -f
[11:25] <Mamarok> and poste the error messages to pastebin
[11:25] <mok0> Mamarok: no errors, and no pasting since I'm console only :-(
[11:25] <_2> !info pastebinit
[11:26] <ame> !it
[11:26] <_2> mok0 ^ that or gpm   either one can work wonders in console
[11:26] <ummels> mok0: did you try "apt-get install -f"?
[11:26] <ka> pastebininit is cool
[11:26] <_2> !info gpm
[11:26] <mok0> ummels: there are no errors
[11:27] <mok0> My guess is I'm missing a package
[11:27] <ummels> mok0: but you said there were errors when you upgraeded for the fist time?
[11:27] <ummels> try "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" then
[11:27] <mok0> ummels: yes, but I could fix them by removing a few packs
[11:27] <_2> with -f even
[11:28] <ummels> ah, then you propably removed some essential ones
[11:28] <william> where do I configure my printer under kubuntu?
[11:28] <_2> !cups
[11:28] <_2> william   ^
[11:28] <ummels> open http://localhost:631 in ur browser to open the CUPS web front end
[11:28] <william> oh thanks
[11:28] <mok0> ok it's getting 10-12 packages
[11:29] <william> got it localhost:631 ;-)
[11:29] <erikwt> i just installed kde 4,2 rc2 following the instructions on the kubuntu website. i had kde 4,1 running before. when i try to add a widget, i get the following error: Could not find requested component: <component name>
[11:29] <eagles0513875> hi Mamarok hope all is well
[11:29] <erikwt> some widgets work though
[11:30] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: hi, thanks, everything fine :)
[11:30] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: how does one compile for instance kde from svn source
[11:30] <mok0> It's an improvement... now I can select "KDE" as my window manager, but I'm thrown out immediately after login
[11:30] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: techbase.kde.org helps on that
[11:30] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: there are instructions on techbase.kde.org
[11:30] <Mamarok> Tm_T: :)
[11:31] <Tm_T> (;
[11:31] <eagles0513875> i have tried those but for some reason they dont work for me
[11:31] <eagles0513875> but maybe cuz i have a messed up install ill try again
[11:32] <_2> Tm_T i'm going to go talk trash with the locals for a while.   keep the peace   :)
[11:32] <ummels> mok0: what happens if you choose "Failsafe" and start KDE by "startkde"?
[11:33]  * mok0 tries ummels suggestion
[11:34] <mok0> ummels: ah, I can't do that, X is already running
[11:34] <ummels> i mean if u select "Failsafe" from KDM?
[11:34] <ummels> not from console
[11:35] <mok0> ummels: I'm thrown out and return to the login screen
[11:35] <mok0> ummels: guess it's not really failsafe ;-)
[11:36] <ummels> okay... what you can also try is log in as a new user, since it's often a problem with config files
[11:36] <mok0> ummels: ok
[11:37] <mok0> ummels: nope. My "rewt" user has the same problems
[11:38] <ummels> strange... i think ur still missing some packages then
[11:39] <ulysses__> i need kcal/calendarresources.h, kcal/incidenceformatter.h, kcal/resourcelocal.h to install a plasmoid, but the header files aren't installed, how can I get these files?
[11:39] <mok0> There's an error message in syslog, something about ConsoleKit session
[11:39] <ummels> ulysses__: kdepim-dev?
[11:40] <endragon> Kubuntu 8.10 is all fine and well, but is it possible to revert to KDE3?
[11:40] <ulysses__> ummels: thanks
[11:42] <ummels> mok0: no idea what ConsoleKit is
[11:44] <endragon> right
[11:44] <endragon> this is one distro i won't be using
[11:45] <Mamarok> hm, so much for patience...
[11:45] <ummels> lol
[11:47] <mok0> Good to get rid of obnoxious users
[11:47] <Tm_T> nownow
[11:53] <ame> !it
[11:56] <nahy> hey guys i installed gimp but i cant see it in my programs(graphics) but adept show that it is installed
[11:57] <ummels> nahy: sometimes takes a while until it shows up
[11:58] <nahy> isn't that strange?
[11:58] <nahy> do i need a restart?
[11:58] <mok0> Ah, my installation is toast
[11:59] <ummels> nahy: logging out of KDE and logging in again should suffice
[11:59] <ummels> mok0: how?
[12:00] <nahy> yeah thank you
[12:04] <dwidmann> Wow, xinerama doesn't suck with ati cards
[12:09] <noaXess> in my kyboard shortcuts i have a lot of same entries, see here http://files.wmx.ch/upload/jpeg/70_keyboard-shortcuts.jpeg
[12:09] <noaXess> any idea to clean this entries?
[12:10] <amerigo> !zenit
[12:11] <amerigo> !zenity
[12:11] <mok0> I
[12:11] <mok0> I'm in deep water now
[12:11] <mok0> Uninstalling KDE
[12:12] <ka> Hm  Xorg has been steadyli creeping up to use 112 mb of ram... Not good.
[12:13] <torkiano> Hello all, I submited an idea to ubuntu brainstorm to improve VoIP support in the next release of kubuntu. New ideas are welcome ;-). http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17266/
[12:14] <ka> But dolphin is using a whopping 400megs for ram to copy my files... Is that normal?
[12:14] <mok0> torkiano: what's wrong with IRC ;-)
[12:14] <torkiano> mok0: ;-)
[12:17] <marius__> ppl
[12:17] <marius__> hello
[12:17] <marius__> help pls
[12:18] <marius__> I cannot configure multiple desktops
[12:18] <marius__> I apply four of them
[12:18] <marius__> but I get only two
[12:18] <marius__> and from ccsm won't work either
[12:18] <marius__> help
[12:20] <squid0> I had similar issues with compiz a while ago
[12:21] <squid0> but I can't help you. good luck
[12:22] <milardovich> howdy
[12:22] <milardovich> is there a way to open .ai files in kubuntu?
[12:22] <squid0> what's .ai?
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:35] <dwidmann> squid0: AI, Adobe Illustrator
[12:35] <squid0> thanks, dwidmann
[12:35] <dwidmann> maybe inkscape could do it
[12:48] <ka> Memory usage after 1hour and 50 min; dolphin 450mb, plasma 136mb, krunner 132mb, xorg 112mb, konqueror 73mb
[12:48] <ka> KDE42rc1
[12:49] <marius__> hello again
[12:49] <marius__> ppl
[12:50] <marius__> does anyone know how to enable the emerald themes?
[12:50] <marius__> or the emerald theme manager...
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> marius__: sudo apt-get install emerald
[12:51] <marius__> I have it installed with several themes, though I cannot apply none of them for the manager doesn't have any apply buttons
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> marius__: you dont, you just choose the theme, did you run emerald --replace in a terminal
[12:53] <marius__> right
[12:53] <al3x-admin> Hi all. I have a prob with my nvidia 8600 GTS. I installed nvidia-180-modaliases and the I opened jockey-kde. I installed the last drivers (180) and rebooted, and X complains that the screen and the mouse/keyboard aren't configured/detected and wont start X. I ran nvidia-xconfig but wont help. What can I do?
[12:53] <marius__> it worked for several seconds then all window-controlling buttons have vanished
[12:56] <ka> Why is kioslaves overwriting existing files when I told it to autoskip files that already exists?
[12:56] <ka> kioslaves=dolphin?
[12:57] <marius__> well
[12:59] <marius__> ActionParship, when I close the terminal, after having enabled emerald, all the window-controlling buttons vanish...
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> marius__: then you need some xorg.conf options
[12:59] <marius__> I can't even close the window
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> marius__: alt+f4 to close, use alt+ click to move
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> marius__: do you have an nvidia gfx card per chance?
[13:00] <marius__> ATI
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> marius__: well that bar is called a window decorator
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> im just websearching a fix
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> marius__: you need to add the lines to your screen section in xorg.conf
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> http://pastebin.com/m5179d941
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> marius__: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:03] <sofiane> hi i have a probleme with microphone "skype"
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> !skype | sofiane
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> sofiane: that may have some answers
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> marius__: you will have to restart your x server to apply the settings, once you get the decorators to stay after an x restart, add a script to your !startup to run emeral --replace
[13:06] <marius__> thanks, but where exctly in the xorg.conf? at the end? or..?
[13:06] <sofiane> i have istall the skype in my ubuntu it's works but my probleme is the microphone wen i speak they can't hear my voice
[13:06] <ward_> hello does somebody knows how I can change the main panel from screen ?
[13:07] <anselme> can anyone help me out?
[13:07] <ward_> I need to set up dual screen but it fails eveytime something else is messing it up
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> !ask | anselme
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> sofiane: does the mic work in other apps? is the mic muted?
[13:08] <anselme> i ve installed through the terminal ubuntu  and i still dont know how to switch the interface
[13:08] <anselme> i mean from kde to gnome
[13:08] <anselme> and vis versa
[13:08] <marius__> ActionParsnip, is it ok if I place those lines at the end of xorg.conf or must I place them in a specific section of that file?
[13:08] <anselme> doesnt anyone know
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> marius__: its in xorg.conf
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> you put them in your screen section
[13:09] <marius__> ok
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> anywhere in that section is fine
[13:09] <marius__> thanks
[13:10] <sofiane> ActionParsnip: how can i check that  / muted no
[13:10] <aapzak> since recent update to kde4.1.96 (RC1) my screenlock doesn't work anymore. Anyone else here with that problem?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> sofiane: bring up kmix
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: yep, its one of the reasons i dont use kwin
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: it will lock but never unlocks for me, never has
[13:11] <aapzak> ActionParsnip: I like the whole kde thing, including almost everything and till now my screenlock has been working just fine
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> aapzak: id log a bug and disable the screen locking at all
[13:12] <aapzak> kubuntu RC site says noto to file bug reports, for once I'll follow orders
[13:13] <francisc1701> hi! why is it that Amarok (1.4) can't tell me the length of my aac songs?
[13:13] <aapzak> I guess this is why you should not use experimental stuff at work, now I can't lock which basicly means I cannot leave my desk :)
[13:14] <aapzak> good thing I just went to the bathroom
[13:18] <marius__> k, I added the lines in the screen section, restarted the xserver, opened again xorg.conf to make sure the lines are there....but nope...the problem is still there
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> marius__: its something like that
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> marius__: you need some xorg.conf extra bits
[13:19] <marius__> k, another problem: how do I add more than 2 desktops? that option is blocked in cssm and in the default desktop manager...I add 4 desktops but I only get the default(2) after applying
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> marius__: i think you need: sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> marius__: in ccsm you need to make your desktop width 4 instead of 2, you currently have a "flippy"
[13:20] <marius__> yes but the "Desktops number" option is blocked in cssm
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> marius__: open the compiz config settings (ccsm), go to general options, desktop size, and set horizontal virtual size to 4
[13:22] <marius__> right
[13:22] <marius__> that worked
[13:22] <marius__> thanks
[13:22] <marius__> a lot
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> np man
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> you got 4 desktops and windows decorations with emerald now?
[13:24] <marius__> nope, only 4 desktops. emerald only with terminal running
[13:24] <marius__> afterr adding emerald --replace
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> ok did you install that package?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[13:24] <marius__> yes
[13:24] <marius__> I did
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> ok
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> well you gotta do some websearching dude
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> get those decorations to stay
[13:26] <marius__> and now I notice that although there are 4 desktops spinning...in the bar there are just 2
[13:26] <marius__> not that I'd need 'em all
[13:26] <marius__> though
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> try adding: Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[13:26] <bentob0x> how's the feedback on 4.2 RC1 so far?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> to section screen
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> bentob0x: seems ok, couldnt comment on the new kwin though
[13:28] <bentob0x> downloading the .96 upgrade now, fingers crossed there won't be many regressions
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> marius__: and add: Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True" to the same section
[13:29] <Tm_T> bentob0x: if there is, remember to report them please
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> marius__: its some option in xorg.conf you gotta find
[13:29] <bentob0x> will do of course
[13:32] <marius__> can I make the cube to appear further?
[13:33] <mathieu> hello
[13:33] <aapzak> guys, my run command dialog does not come up either ...
[13:33] <mathieu> i have the ppa sources, did I just get upgraded to 4.2rc1? (4.1.96?)
[13:34] <aapzak> so I have broken run command and broken screenlock
[13:34] <aapzak> yes
[13:34] <aapzak> mathieu: nice to talk to you
[13:34] <mathieu> cool :)
[13:34] <aapzak> mathieu: you still have screenlock?
[13:34] <aapzak> and run command
[13:34] <aapzak> (alt-f2)
[13:34] <mathieu> aapzak: unfortunately Im logged remotely with ssh right now
[13:34] <aapzak> thats a shame
[13:35] <mathieu> so I can only test tonight :S
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> marius__: you need to config compiz some, i'd suggest heading into #compiz
[13:35] <aapzak> I cannot wait that long :)
[13:35] <marius__> k, thnks a lot
[13:36] <aapzak> ok, seems like I'm missing most of my dialogs, anyone know a dependency which might have been missed?
[13:37] <aapzak> I cannot get the quit menu either
[13:41] <mathieu> aapzak: maybe try re-doing a dist-upgrade ?
[13:41] <mathieu> and restart kdm completely
[13:42] <aapzak> I did a normal upgrade, might try dist-upgrade but seems unlogical to me. I did a reboot
[13:43] <Pici> dist-upgrades do NOT upgrade to a new release, rather they include packages that have new or changed dependencies.
[13:44] <aapzak> Pici: ah! in that case it might be useful after all
[13:44] <mathieu> yea exactly, might fix the broken package
[13:44] <aapzak> nope, nothing new :(
[13:44] <mathieu> if ALL else fails you may always try to backup your .kde folders and start with a fresh config
[13:45] <aapzak> mathieu: that might help also, you're right. Something to try tonight
[13:45] <aapzak> after I'm done working
[13:45] <aapzak> RC1 looks great apart from my minor problems
[13:52] <aapzak> kubuntu people , my problems are gone, I have no idea why
[13:52] <Tm_T> good
[13:52] <aapzak> hey there :)
[13:53] <aapzak> could have been 2 things: invoking the run command dialog through right clicking the desktop, or the dist-upgrade
[13:54] <aapzak> dist-upgrade said it did nothing, I believe him
[13:54] <aapzak> anyway, thanks for the time and nice talks, back to work for me now!
[13:55] <robin0800> can't install firefox on KDE4.2rc1 missing library
[13:56] <pfee> Hi, hopped over from #kde.  I installed KDE4.2rc1 on kubuntu.  Now my systray has all icons hidden, even though the System Tray settings shows plenty of "visible icons".
[13:56] <pfee> Is anyone else seeing this?  Also when restarting plasma it often forgets which widgets are in the panel.
[14:09] <roberto_> hi, i've a problem with kde4 and konqueror: i can't view flash videos
[14:10] <bvalek2> roberto_: can you watch them with firefox?
[14:11] <roberto_> yes
[14:11] <roberto_> with konqueror i hear only the audio
[14:12] <bvalek2> roberto_: i have the same problem, but since Firefox works, i didnt bother much with it. on January 27th KDE 4.2.0 is out, maybe the new version solves the problem
[14:13] <roberto_> but firefox is not very integrated with kde
[14:13] <bvalek2> what do you miss in firefox?
[14:13] <roberto_> and i have to install all gnome libraries
[14:17] <somekool> KDE 4.2 RC1, thank you guys !!! its downloading now
[14:17] <Pres-Gas> Where I launchpad can I find the gpg key for the kde4 ppa in launchpad?
[14:18] <Tm_T> Pres-Gas: there isn't any
[14:18] <Pres-Gas> So I will get the security complaints from aptitude?
[14:18] <Pici> PPAs do not yet have the ability to be signed.
[14:19] <Pici> yet
[14:19] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm...really? My first adding of ppa
[14:20] <Zehava> Hello, I am getting some sort of feedback and static noise on my PC speakers even when the volume is muted from the kmixer any way to fix this?
[14:21] <RobertLaptop> I am having a weird problem I can't move the /var/lib/mysql folder it keeps telling me it has no access to write to the folder?  I have confirmed the files and folders are owned my sql and even tried make the folder world writeable but no luck does kubuntu use some form of SAlinux and if so how do I adjust it?
[14:22] <Zehava> RobertLaptop have you tried sudo?
[14:22] <RobertLaptop> yea.
[14:22] <tmcg> tmcg
[14:22] <Zehava> Sudo won't allow you to move it?
[14:23] <RobertLaptop> I changed the folder were data is stored.  Moved the folder.  And attempted to restart and syslog is telling my mysql can't write to that folder but i can figure out why.
[14:23] <Pres-Gas> Pici: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA says Launchpad will be generating keys for ppas
[14:23] <Pici> Pres-Gas: Yep.
[14:24] <Zehava> have you altered the my.cnf file to reflect the moved folder?
[14:24] <RobertLaptop> I did
[14:25] <Pici> Pres-Gas: But its not fully rolled out yet. Hence my 'yet' above.
[14:26] <Zehava> RobertLaptop I'm not sure then.  If you've told my.cnf where the directory is but it still won't read it  I'm lost, hopefully someone else will know more to try
[14:28] <RobertLaptop> In syslog it is tiring to use the new folder.  It attempts to open a test file in the folder with write and it fails to do so but for the life of me I can't figure out why.
[14:32] <RobertLaptop> OK AppArmor seems to be why now I need to figure out how to change or disable.
[14:38] <RobertLaptop> That was pretty painless once I found out about AppArmor.
[14:38] <Jonty> How do I get my (wireless) network to login during boot and not after the GUI has loaded?
[14:39] <Zehava> I have static coming from my PC speakers even when everything inside the kde mixer is muted.  the static sound starts durring boot before X even starts.  Any ideas how I can fix this?
[14:39] <penguin_> This may be a dump problem, but I'm having issues with samba and NetworkManager (I think) - samba works fine, except that it needs to be restarted after I login - it seems the NetworkManager doesn't initialize the interfaces before hand, so there is nothing to listen to... Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong here?
[14:42] <Pres-Gas> Pici, thanks for the heads up on the keys, much appreciated.
[14:46] <EagleScreen> oys
[14:46] <EagleScreen> KDE 4.2 RC1 is released
[14:47] <Tm_T> indeed it is
[14:47] <EagleScreen> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1
[14:47] <EagleScreen> i am testing it now, and it works well
[14:48] <EagleScreen> just a small problem that I have found
[14:49] <EagleScreen> after upgrading with Adept, kdebase-worksapace was not installed (is this normal?), and kdeartwork was not installed
[14:49] <EagleScreen> the solution is manual installing them
[14:52] <EagleScreen> kbluetooth4 crash in my system
[14:52] <EagleScreen> Sysinfo for 'kairi': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1)), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2390  @ 1.86GHz at 800 MHz (3724 bogomips), HD: 51/226GB, RAM: 893/1999MB, 132 proc's, 8.32min up
[14:53] <Tupac_Shakur> is here Amd Phemon II :) more better
[14:53] <Tupac_Shakur> bye intel inside stupid outside :)
[14:54] <Tm_T> Tupac_Shakur: o k
[14:55] <Tupac_Shakur> love amd :) & ubuntu
[14:55] <Tm_T> ok, but that has nothing to do with Kubuntu support (;)
[14:55] <hobs> does anyone know kubuntu randomly slows down? everything starts working extremely slow and for example "system beep" takes about 5 seconds. problem is not some process taking all cpu or memory
[14:56] <Tm_T> hobs: are you using pulseaudio?
[14:56] <hobs> yes
[14:56] <Tm_T> hmmm, can you try without it?
[14:56] <Tm_T> also...
[14:56] <Tm_T> !fi | hobs
[15:02] <noaXess> in my kyboard shortcuts i have a lot of same entries, see here http://files.wmx.ch/upload/jpeg/70_keyboard-shortcuts.jpeg
[15:03] <noaXess> any idea how to clean this entries?
[15:06] <hobs> tmt, problem remains even without pulse audio, kernel log says " Clocksource tsc unstable ", googling for that next
[15:06] <Zehava> Is the bcast line in the ifconfig the default gateway? or how can I find what the default gateway is?
[15:09] <hobs> any idea where to check next?
[15:10] <hobs> (boot fixes the problem)
[15:10] <delicowa> has any body has an experience with 9.04 alpha
[15:10] <Ahmuck> is there a way to create a custom menu in kubuntu 8.10 similar to openbox for application launches?
[15:10] <Tm_T> !jaunty | delicowa
[15:13] <dave_V> I'm new to kubuntu... ex-Fedora.. where is the administration menu?
[15:13] <francisc1701> Zehava: "arp" shows my default gateway (192.168.1.1) but it doesn't say it's the default gateway, I just happen to know it is
[15:14] <Zehava> francisc1701 I don't ahve an 'arp' line when I type ifconfig
[15:14] <francisc1701> Zehava: no, arp is a separate command
[15:14] <Zehava> Oh
[15:15] <robin0800> dave_V: there isn't one use settings some need sudo
[15:15] <ummels> Zehava: try "route"
[15:15] <Zehava> francisc1701 do I need any options to get it to show the default gateway?  the arp command it's self shows me mac address and the device
[15:15] <dave_V> I thought there was an administration menu off of system
[15:16] <Zehava> ummels rout command not found
[15:16] <dave_V> that would have like services in it
[15:16] <ummels> route with an e ;-)
[15:16] <dreisinger> any news on when kdevelop4 will be packaged?
[15:16] <robin0800> dave_V: yes sytem settings
[15:17] <dave_V> that looks like it is for just KDE
[15:17] <Zehava> ummels yeah I"m a dope, thanks.  Default gateway just shows 'home'  doesn't show me the router's gateway
[15:18] <dave_V> how do you guys get to a gui to modify what starts at boot time?  ie services
[15:18] <ummels> Zehava: then the IP of 'home' is the gateway address
[15:18] <Zehava> ummels and I find the IP of 'home' how?
[15:19] <ummels> Zehava: "ping home"
[15:19] <robin0800> dave_V: services manager in sytem settings
[15:20] <dave_V> all it talks about in there is KDE stuff..  not sendmail, or nfs, or automounter, etc.. etc
[15:20] <Zehava> ummels thanks a ton, got the correct default gateway now
[15:20] <ummels> Zehava: ur welcome
[15:22] <ghostcube> is there a reason apt-get shows 2 updates not possible to do cause missing dependencies for 4.1.4 update  ?
[15:22] <lamur> hey
[15:23] <lamur> how do i makrtual drivee a vi
[15:23] <lamur> how do i make a virtualdrive
[15:23] <lamur> ?
[15:24] <ActionParsnip1> lamur: make a file of some size using dd, you can then mount it like a disk
[15:24] <ActionParsnip1> lamur: is that what you mean?
[15:25] <dave_V> Do I need to add a package to be able to have a system administration menu page?
[15:25] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: do you mean systemsettings
[15:26] <francisc1701> ActionParsnip1: what kind of filesystem would it have? can he choose whatever he pleases?
[15:26] <ghostcube> no one here on 4.1.3 and has problems to update to 4.1.4
[15:26] <iago_> what is the Wine version for Ubuntu ?
[15:27] <iago_> 1.0.0 ?
[15:27] <dave_V> Action: no that looks to be specific to kde settings.  I want to administer services, nfs, etc
[15:27] <EagleScreen> 1.0.1 on Intrepid
[15:27] <iago_> ok thanks ;D
[15:28] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: i think it'd be iso fs
[15:28] <Zehava> Would anyone know why I have static coming out of my PC speakers even when everything is muted?
[15:29] <dwidmann> if you just made it with dd it'd probably be blank, you'd have to give it a filesystem if you wanted to use it like a block device
[15:29] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: you'd use something like dd if=/dev/zer of=~/image count 400000
[15:30] <ActionParsnip1> here's one
[15:30] <dave_V> Action:  How do you change what is started at runtime?  like nfs?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip1> makes a 2Gb ext2 formatted image
[15:30] <ActionParsnip1> !startup | dave_V
[15:30] <dave_V> I would think there is a menu  System->Administration
[15:31] <ActionParsnip1> !boot | dave_V
[15:31] <dwidmann> ActionParsnip1: don't forget bs=4096 or similar ... otherwise it'll be slow
[15:31] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: dd if=/dev/zero of=~/ubuntu-fs.ext2 bs=1M count=2147
[15:32] <ActionParsnip1> then: mke2fs ~/ubuntu-fs.ext2
[15:32] <francisc1701> ActionParsnip1: interesting
[15:32] <ActionParsnip1> you can then mount it as a loop device: sudo mkdir /media/fake && sudo mount -o loop ~/ubuntu-fs.ext2 /media/fake
[15:33] <dave_V> Action and ubottu:  I am not talking about services for my user..  I am talking system wide services like nfs,firewall,automounter,
[15:33] <lamur> actionparnsip: no that is not what i meant
[15:33] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: its fairly redundant as the data is still on the partition, you could just make a folder and symlink it
[15:33] <lamur> i want to make a virtual drive to mount an iso file
[15:33] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: i guess you could even write a boot sector to it if you sweet talk to grub enough
[15:34] <delicowa> @lamur: use the loop mounting method
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> lamur: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /media/cdrom0
[15:34] <lamur> oke
[15:34] <francisc1701> ActionParsnip1: I wonder what use I could find to this
[15:34] <lamur> thanx
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> lamur: its not a virtual drive, linux sees CDs and iso files alike, its just a block device mounted to a folder
[15:34] <lamur> yhanx actionparnsip
[15:35] <dave_V> or like how to now have sendmail start in runlevel 3
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> lamur: virtual drives are what windows users call it as the functionality in that area takes 3rd party software
[15:35] <lamur> oke
[15:35] <lamur> thanx man
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: so you want to edit what services a user can and cannot start
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> ?
[15:35] <lamur> now i know wat to do
[15:35] <dave_V> no
[15:36] <dave_V> for the entire system
[15:36] <dave_V> like if sendmail will start on startup
[15:36] <dave_V> Ubuntu has it, Fedora has it
[15:36] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: so certain users have certain apps starting at boot?
[15:36] <dave_V> lol, no
[15:37] <dave_V> has nothing to do with users
[15:37] <dave_V> system wide control of sendmail
[15:37] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: if its in ubuntu you can install it in kubuntu
[15:37] <dave_V> it's a gnome menu
[15:37] <dwidmann> kde4.2 is spiffy :)
[15:37] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: well bring up the a gnome menu and see what the item runs, then run it in kubuntu
[15:37] <ghostcube> hmm who is repsonsible for the proposed repos ?
[15:38] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: they are the same, just one uses kde and one uses gnome
[15:38] <ActionParsnip1> dave_V: you could even use kmenuedit to add the same thing somewhere in your kmenu
[15:38] <stdin> !bum | dave_V
[15:41] <dave_V> k, thank
[15:41] <dwidmann> stdin: don't like sysv-rc-conf?
[15:42] <stdin> dwidmann: I edit the scripts/links by hand, but bum is what they always recommend in #ubuntu and looks like it was what dave_V was describing
[15:43]  * dwidmann is somewhat oblivious to the ways of his lawn gnome cousins
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> if i have thunderbird configured on my system, is there a software I can install to make that accessible via a web page to present a frontend to read / send emails/
[15:44] <ActionParsnip1> kinda like the web interface to torrent apps but for emails
[15:45] <iago_> to execute CSS on Ubuntu i just need Wine and a Good Graphic Card ?
[15:45] <iago_> or i need more add files
[15:45] <iago_> ?
[15:46] <dwidmann> iago_: 3d acceleration helps too, make sure you have that enabled
[15:46] <iago_> ok
[15:46] <iago_> i'll check it
[15:46] <iago_> thx
[15:47] <marius__> ppl
[15:47] <marius__> where is the default theme manager?
[15:48] <m_tadeu> WLM is working again on kopete...thanks guys :)
[15:49] <marius__> can anyone tell me where do I find the theme manager in kubuntu?
[15:52] <ActionParsnip1> !theme
[15:52] <ActionParsnip1> !changethemes
[15:53] <dwidmann> First place I'd go for theme-y-ness would be system settings >> appearance
[15:53] <caustin> Cool, it would seem that they updated Kopete for 4.2rc...
[15:53] <amerigo> hello  in kubuntu there's a way to know what is the sound sistem and now what program is ising it?
[15:53] <dwidmann> caustin: I haven't looked yet, what sort of changes am I in for when I do?
[15:54] <ActionParsnip1> !sound | amerigo
[15:54] <caustin> dwidmann: Oh, not many really.  Last night when I upgraded to 4.2rc, Kopete had lost WLM support
[15:55] <caustin> dwidmann: But I just upgraded this morning again and now it's back
[15:55] <amerigo> thank you Action but i know this
[15:56] <dwidmann> amerigo: if you haven't played with things, I would assume alsa would be default ... not sure where it's sound devices are, maybe /dev/snd?
[15:56] <amerigo> ActionParsnip1: the problem is that when i run a program sound is avalaible or not ... sometimes --- sometimes
[15:56] <amerigo> dwidmann: read upon
[15:57] <dwidmann> amerigo: and if it is alsa, then you could use fuser to check what is using what in /dev/snd/ ...
[15:58] <amerigo> i'd like to know what program controll audio in a definited moment
[15:58] <amerigo> fuser?
[15:58] <pidus> does anybody know if the comic strip widget is not working only on my kubuntu 8.10?
[15:58] <dwidmann> fuser - identify processes using files or sockets
[15:59] <amerigo> i've found only smtp-refuser
[16:00] <ummels> yep, msn/wml is woking again with kopete... thanks, guys
[16:00] <amerigo> dwidmann: what is the reposities
[16:00] <amerigo> ?
[16:00] <dwidmann> ??
[16:00] <vbgunz> I upgraded to KDE4 RC1, it completely wrecked Yakuakes splitting ability ... anyone know what happened?
[16:00] <amerigo> in my reposities there's no fuser .... kubuntu 8.04
[16:01] <ActionParsnip1> vbgunz: works fine here, try removing yakuake as well as ~/.yakuake (verify its there) then reinstall it
[16:04] <ActionParsnip1> vbgunz: rm ~/.kde/share/config/yakuakerc
[16:04] <ActionParsnip1> vbgunz: sudo apt-get --purge remove yakuake; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get install yakuake
[16:04] <walker_> hello
[16:05] <walker_> does anyone know if there's a problem with connecting to WPA Enterprise Wifi with knetworkmanager?
[16:06] <ActionParsnip1> walker_: you'll need the wpa supplicant
[16:07] <ghostcube> hmmnmm are the packages for 4.1.4 still compiling ?
[16:07] <walker_> isn't it installed default with knetworkmanager?
[16:07] <ghostcube> if not something is wrong with the packages
[16:07] <kkathman> I'm trying to move the calendar/clock widget on a panel, but it seems to not move at all, even when Im in the panel settings.  I move it, but it jumps right back to the center...any ideas?
[16:08] <ummels> walker_: i have the impression knetworkmanager has deteriorated significantly... personally, i use wpa_supplicant on command line to connect to WPA networks
[16:11] <francisc1701> is there a program that can open lit files (microsoft's ebook format)?
[16:12] <amerigo> hello....i'd like to know what program controll audio in a definited moment
[16:14] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: lemme websearch
[16:15]  * francisc1701 now feels like an idiot...
[16:15] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: you can convert them to html http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/02/converting-lit-files-in-ubuntu.html
[16:16] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: you could try the windows reading app in wine, you might strike gold
[16:19] <francisc1701> ActionParsnip1: thanks, I'll try that convert-lit sometime
[16:20] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: theres the same appp for windows too
[16:21] <ActionParsnip1> francisc1701: http://www.reallyvirtual.com/installing-microsoft-reader-on-linux-and-why-microsoft-reader-rules/
[16:26] <ubuntu> Hallo
[16:27] <nico_> hello
[16:27] <nico_> i hope somebody can help me
[16:28] <ActionParsnip1> !ask
[16:28] <nico_> just installed ubuntu 8.10  but no sounds
[16:28] <ubuntu> cu
[16:28] <ActionParsnip1> !sound | nico_
[16:29] <bvalek2> nico_: you can also open a sound mixer and take a look
[16:30] <bvalek2> maybe its just tuned down
[16:30] <nico_> wait
[16:30] <nico_> too many answers
[16:30] <nico_> im an linus new bie
[16:30] <bvalek2> happens to me all the time, the sound is never loud enough when i do a fresh install
[16:31] <nico_> everything is enabled ..
[16:31] <nico_> made a test
[16:31] <nico_> got this result
[16:32] <nico_> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback. Device is being used by another application.
[16:32] <nico_> hmm
[16:32] <bvalek2> nico_: it means what it says. something you opened. or something that started automatically and died
[16:33] <sj> On my System kbuildsycoca4 is crashing (KDE 4.2 RC1 / Kubuntu PPA). Anybody with the same problem?
[16:33] <bvalek2> nico_: either search the application and kill it, or do a restart
[16:33] <nico_> did that many times
[16:34] <bvalek2> sj: the final KDE 4.2 is coming at 27th January, just be patient :)
[16:34] <bvalek2> nico_: what applications does your system start when you log in?
[16:35] <bvalek2> maybe Amarok messes it up
[16:35] <nico_> nothing ACTUALLY
[16:35] <nico_> its pretty clean.
[16:35] <sj> bvalek2; i know that kde 4.2 isn,t final, but i think starting applications would  be usefull for testing :)
[16:35] <bvalek2> nico_: take a look at the bottom right corner of your screen, the small little icons
[16:36] <bvalek2> sj: users have irrealistic needs sometimes :)
[16:36] <nico_> just firefox
[16:36] <nico_> and trash bin
[16:37] <LazersK> Hmm.
[16:37] <sj> bvalek2: i get some errors on malformed *.desktop files and found some old bug-reports. Maybe a regression?
[16:38] <nico_> bvalek,   i will have to check these link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[16:38] <nico_> brb
[16:38] <bvalek2> sj: sounds reasonable
[16:39] <nico_> thanks
[16:40] <LazersK> How can I add the multiverse and universe repositories to kubuntu?
[16:41] <LazersK> I want to get Envy, to update meh drivers
[16:43] <EagleScreen> in 8.10, open Adept package manager and go to sources
[16:43] <LazersK> OK.
[16:44] <LazersK> ( Also, trying to install Nvidia 180 in adept results in a crash. )
[16:45] <EagleScreen> Adept is not a very mature software, if you find problems, use anothe rpackage manager
[16:46] <william__> I am not sure if I should go for the 64bit or 32bit versions
[16:46] <william__> what do you guys suggest?
[16:47] <LazersK> Such as, Eagle?
[16:48] <EagleScreen> such as aptitude or synaptic
[16:48] <dwidmann> apt-get ftw
[16:48] <EagleScreen> but caution, if you install syanptic, do it in a special way:
[16:48] <bvalek2> william__: 32 bit version
[16:48] <EagleScreen> sudo aptitude -R install synaptic
[16:48] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: why so?
[16:48] <EagleScreen> to not install much Gnome stuff
[16:49] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: and if that causes problems, you're carrying consequences?
[16:49] <william__> thank you bvalek2
[16:49] <EagleScreen> Tm_T what cause problems?
[16:49] <LazersK> Gah, says 'resocurces unavailable'
[16:49] <LazersK> could not get lock
[16:49] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: brrrh, nothing
[16:50] <dwidmann> LazersK: can't use more than one apt program at a time
[16:50] <LazersK> Ah.
[16:50] <LazersK> >_>
[16:50] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[16:50] <EagleScreen> run sudo aptitude -R install synaptic on a terminal if you wish to install it
[16:50] <LazersK> I was updating MOAR updates.
[16:50] <LazersK> Ok
[16:50] <khakane> anyone have the problem that when you reboot kubuntu, the fonts are unusually small?
[16:51] <khakane> after a few reboots, the fonts are back to normal..
[16:51] <EagleScreen> i think future Kubuntu versions will come with Kpackagekit as default package manager
[16:56] <thierry_> salut
[16:56] <EagleScreen> salut
[16:57] <thierry_> j'ai un souci pour installer un pc nue, vous connaitriez un chan approprié (dsl)
[16:57] <LazersK> English?
[16:57] <EagleScreen> thierry_ go to #kubuntu-fr
[16:57] <EagleScreen> !french
[16:57] <thierry_> sorry
[16:58] <thierry_> try to go
[16:58] <khakane> argh guess i just reboot a few more times
[16:58] <maximiliano> Hi all...
[16:58] <EagleScreen> !hello
[16:58] <maximiliano> can some body help me cpying files?????
[16:59] <maximiliano> (sorry, I speak spanish, my english is not so good)
[17:00] <amerigo> how can i see what sound sistem is installed in my kubuntu?
[17:00] <EagleScreen> maximiliano copying files?? what is the problem
[17:00] <EagleScreen> amerigo system settings
[17:00] <maximiliano> Hi eagle
[17:01] <maximiliano> see
[17:01] <maximiliano> I can't copy images_human.zip
[17:02] <EagleScreen> maximiliano copying it from where to where?
[17:02] <maximiliano> to the openoffice folder
[17:02] <maximiliano> from my desktop
[17:02] <maximiliano> the openoffice folder is...
[17:03] <LazersK> Brb, Restarting X
[17:03] <maximiliano> (whait me some secconds)
[17:04] <maximiliano> the folder is /usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/
[17:04] <RegressLess> Does anyone know how to add xmms-alarm to Kalarm. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10
[17:05] <maximiliano> eaglescreen, do u underestand me?
[17:05] <EagleScreen> yes
[17:05] <maximiliano> :D
[17:05] <EagleScreen> on Linux, you can only copy files to your personal folder
[17:05] <maximiliano> ok...
[17:05] <EagleScreen> system folders are write protected
[17:06] <RegressLess> Does anyone know how to add xmms-alarm to Kalarm? I'm using Ubuntu 8.10
[17:06] <EagleScreen> to copy files to it you need to do it in a special way, as super user mode
[17:06] <albuntu> EagleScreen: you can copy files in all root folders using sudo
[17:06] <maximiliano> and... how can i do this????
[17:07] <albuntu> EagleScreen: sudo cp /path/to/your file.extension /path/where/you want/to send your file
[17:07] <maximiliano> because the terminal don't leave me do this
[17:07] <albuntu> and write your user password after that
[17:07] <EagleScreen> maximiliano press Alt F2, and in the prompt, type "gksu nautilus" and press enter, you will obtain an "Explorer" with super user rights
[17:07] <maximiliano> ok....
[17:08] <RegressLess> maximiliano: just put sudo before the command and it will prompt you for the password and let you do it
[17:08] <EagleScreen> not not not, sorry in Kubuntu is kdesu dolphin, in Ubuntu gksu nautilus
[17:08] <albuntu> RegressLess: http://www.astrojar.org.uk/kalarm/
[17:08] <albuntu> maybe this may help you
[17:08] <albuntu> :)
[17:09] <maximiliano> but, the zip file is now in /home/maximiliano/escritorio
[17:09] <maximiliano> when i write this in the terminal
[17:09] <maximiliano> it say me....
[17:10] <maximiliano> that this folder does not exist
[17:10] <EagleScreen> maximiliano forget it, it is for frikis
[17:10] <EagleScreen> in the terminal, type: "sudo dolphin"
[17:10] <maximiliano> ok
[17:10] <EagleScreen> and copy the file with the file manager that is open
[17:11] <LazersK> WOW.
[17:11] <maximiliano> you are the best!
[17:11] <maximiliano> so thanks!!!!!
[17:11] <LazersK> X Restarted, now desktop effects don't work,
[17:11] <maximiliano> :D
[17:11] <LazersK> and the background is just blue
[17:11] <riorio> My desktop is displaying icons in my /home folder/ instead of my /desktop folder/.  How do I change this?
[17:12] <riorio> there is nothing related in my preferences
[17:12] <EagleScreen> riorio what KDE version?
[17:12] <riorio> eh, the one before 4.0 ircc
[17:12] <maximiliano> I think that linux is great because of the people who drive it, they are the best
[17:12] <EagleScreen> LazersK what did you did to thah happens?
[17:12] <maximiliano> bye bye!!
[17:13] <LazersK> i restarted X after updating
[17:13] <LazersK> installing firefox
[17:13] <LazersK> and synaptic
[17:13]  * LazersK restarts again.
[17:13] <EagleScreen> LazersK what did you update?
[17:13] <LazersK> A lot of things.
[17:14] <EagleScreen> LazersK what KDE version do u have?
[17:14] <EagleScreen> did you updated to KDE 4.2?
[17:15] <doktoreas> is there a nightly version of kmail?
[17:16] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: i think there is
[17:17] <p_quarles> doktoreas: Project Neon does nightlies of kde-core
[17:17] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: i found on the kde techbase project neon which is kubuntu nightly builds for kde and all other programs
[17:17] <eagles0513875> p_quarles:  touche lol
[17:17] <hallowname> when will project neon get a jaunty repo?
[17:17] <vbgunz> I tried so many things. restarted kdm too many times. what in the world in KDE4 RC1, could have caused Yakuake to bork badly on splitting vertically/horizontally?
[17:17] <LazersK> Damn!
[17:18] <doktoreas> eagles0513875: sorry, have you got a reference?
[17:18] <LazersK> I don't know, that updates screwed up KDE. >_>
[17:18] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: let me look it up really fast
[17:18] <ghostcube> LazersK, what updates did u do
[17:19] <doktoreas> eagles0513875: tahnk you very mucha mate
[17:19] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: thats what this community is here for
[17:19] <LazersK> I don't know.
[17:19] <EagleScreen> LazersK if you are using Konversation, please type here "/sysinfo" command and press enter
[17:19] <LazersK> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1)), CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.60GHz at 2600 MHz (5200 bogomips), HD: 3/3GB, RAM: 727/755MB, 117 proc's, 56.39min up
[17:19] <LazersK> Wait!
[17:19] <LazersK> I was using KDE 4.2!
[17:19] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[17:19] <EagleScreen> yes you are
[17:20] <LazersK> Ok..
[17:20] <LazersK> What can I do?
[17:20] <EagleScreen> LazersK it is a dependencies bug
[17:20] <EagleScreen> you need to install some packages manually
[17:20] <LazersK> how?
[17:20] <LazersK> Which ones?
[17:21] <EagleScreen> open your favourite package manager, i will tell you
[17:21] <LazersK> Done.
[17:21] <LazersK> Synaptic
[17:22] <EagleScreen> LazersK install: kdebase-workspace and kdeartwork
[17:22] <LeeJunFan> how do you change the destination prefix when using cmake? OR how can I get kde4.2 to look in /usr/local/lib for plugins?
[17:23] <LazersK> Can't find it.
[17:23] <hallowname> LeeJunFan: use 'cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .'
[17:23] <LazersK> Ah!
[17:23] <LazersK> Installing the first one
[17:23] <LeeJunFan> hallowname: thank you.
[17:24] <doktoreas> eagles0513875: fine thx! do you know how add knetowrkmanager icon in the tray?
[17:24] <vbgunz> does anyone use yakuake and find the split feature to be broken on KDE 4.2 RC1?
[17:24] <hallowname> LeeJunFan: np
[17:24] <jacobw-uk> hi there, can msn support in kopete be manually installed in jaunty?
[17:24] <eagles0513875> ya its under the internet list
[17:24] <EagleScreen> jacobw-uk let me suggest you to test kmess
[17:25] <LazersK> Ok, Restarting X
[17:25] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: its under the internet section of ur apps
[17:25] <DaSkreech> Hello everyone
[17:26] <vbgunz> hello
[17:27] <LazersK> didn't work
[17:27] <LazersK> Still a blank background
[17:27] <EagleScreen> you can now set a wallpaper for the Desktop
[17:27] <LazersK> ^_o
[17:28] <LazersK> Ah!
[17:28] <LazersK> Thank yous gratily
[17:28] <EagleScreen> may be you also want to enable Desktop Effects
[17:29] <LazersK> Will do
[17:30] <LazersK> Installing nvidia 180
[17:30] <EagleScreen> LazersK wait a momment
[17:30] <LazersK> ..To late. :/
[17:30] <EagleScreen> are sure you have to install aditional drivers???
[17:30] <LazersK> I want the newest ones, yes.
[17:31] <EagleScreen> okay then install them
[17:31] <LazersK> Then i want compiz fusion
[17:32] <EagleScreen> LazersK KDE 4 have its own Desktop Effects, it is better use then instead of compiz
[17:32] <DaSkreech> jacobw-uk: Yes but not right now
[17:32] <LazersK> Hm.
[17:32] <EagleScreen> compiz can run under KDE, but it was designed with Gnome in mind
[17:32] <LazersK> Are they any better?
[17:32] <LazersK> Ahh.
[17:32] <LazersK> Okat.
[17:33] <EagleScreen> use the new Kwin4 effects, the are as like as Compiz effects
[17:33] <EagleScreen> you can activate them in Systemsettings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects
[17:34] <LazersK> Yup.
[17:34]  * LazersK likes the cube
[17:34] <LazersK> Huh, Kmix crashed.
[17:35] <EagleScreen> crashed kmix at activating Desktop Effects?
[17:35] <LazersK> No, it just ..crashed.
[17:36] <DaSkreech> LazersK: What effects do you want?
[17:36] <LazersK> I'm fine with these ones, really.
[17:36] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:36] <DaSkreech> ctrl+F11
[17:36] <DaSkreech> and ^F9
[17:37] <EagleScreen> LazersK if it happens more times, obtain a GOOD backtrace and public it in https://bugs.kde.org/
[17:37] <LazersK> Ok.
[17:45] <LazersK> Okay, I now have 180 up
[17:45] <LazersK> But desktop effects are enbabled, but  'all efects' bit, they are grey.
[17:45] <LazersK> AND 180 DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE HARDWARE DRIVERS MENU :V
[17:46] <LazersK> Gah!
[17:46] <EagleScreen> it is strange
[17:47] <LazersK> What do i have to do now?
[17:47] <EagleScreen> you say thet Desktop Effects are enabled.. are you sure?
[17:47] <LazersK> i guess i'm stuck with 177
[17:47] <LazersK> Yup, they show up as 'enabled'
[17:47] <LazersK> But I can't use them
[17:47] <EagleScreen> try to disable, Apply, and enable them egain
[17:48] <LazersK> OK, but the All effects are stil lgreyed out
[17:48] <LazersK> and I can't use them
[17:48]  * LazersK closes and restarts it.
[17:48] <LazersK> Hm. I can use them now,b ut the effects are still grey. x_X
[17:49] <White_Pelican> is anyone running Intrepid through Virtual Box?
[17:50] <eagles0513875> White_Pelican: i think there is a virtualbox irc channel that is this is a virtual box issue they might be able to help you more
[17:50] <LazersK> Plus, how do i make firefox use the kde theme?
[17:50] <eagles0513875> White_Pelican: type /j #vbox
[17:50] <White_Pelican> ok ty
[17:51] <EagleScreen> LazersK to Firefox can use Qt theme, you need to install two packages
[17:52] <LazersK> Go for it.
[17:53] <LazersK> how do I do it?
[17:53] <EagleScreen> be sure gtk-qt-engine is installed LazersK
[17:54] <LazersK> How can I tell?
[17:55] <vbgunz> does anybody have any idea why the upgrade to KDE 4.2 RC1 may have broken yakuakes splitting?
[17:55] <EagleScreen> check it in synaptic
[17:56] <LazersK> brb food
[18:00] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: Not sure that shouldn't break
[18:01] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: What broke?
[18:01] <ruffles_> hi
[18:01] <DaSkreech> hi
[18:02] <riorio> I try asking again → My desktop is displaying icons in my /home folder/ instead of my /desktop folder/.  How do I change this?
[18:02] <DaSkreech> riorio: What version of KDE ?
[18:03] <riorio> I made a try to install KDE 4 a while ago
[18:03] <riorio> but I'm not sure it worked out well
[18:03] <DaSkreech> ok
[18:03] <DaSkreech> so which version of KDE are you using now?
[18:03] <riorio> where do I find that info?
[18:03] <ruffles_> is this channel only of kubuntu
[18:04] <ruffles_> or is also about ubuntu??
[18:04] <riorio> ruffles_, try #ubuntu for ubuntu
[18:04] <EagleScreen> LazersK do sudo aptitude -R install libbonoboui2-0 to make gtk-qt-engine can work
[18:04] <ruffles_> ok txz!=)
[18:04] <vbgunz> DaSkreech: I can no longer split Yakuakes window. the new split terminal is just black. nothing there... it looks like the border expanded into the space or something but there is nothing I can do there
[18:04] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: ok thanks
[18:05] <ruffles_> go to system kde and there it tells you the version of the kde
[18:05] <DaSkreech> riorio: in any app except Konversation and Kaffiene do help -> about KDE
[18:05] <riorio> ok....
[18:05] <EagleScreen> if you use konversation, type here "/sysinfo" command
[18:06] <riorio> KDE 3.5.10
[18:06] <DaSkreech> EagleScreen: That gives konversation's KDE which is always KDE 3
[18:06] <EagleScreen> sysinfo
[18:06] <EagleScreen> Sysinfo for 'kairi': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1)), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2390  @ 1.86GHz at 800 MHz (3724 bogomips), HD: 51/226GB, RAM: 1342/1999MB, 131 proc's, 3.22h up
[18:07] <DaSkreech> ah right :)
[18:07] <DaSkreech> riorio: Ok what version of Kubuntu are you using ?
[18:07]  * DaSkreech goes out on a limb to say Hardy
[18:07] <riorio> DaSkreech, its not in every help menu -- just a moment
[18:08] <DaSkreech> riorio: Really? it should be in konqueror's
[18:09] <EagleScreen> only Kubuntu 8.04 has KDE 3.5.10 on hardy-updates
[18:09] <riorio> DaSkreech, nothing on Kubuntu there either
[18:10] <White_Pelican> is there any way, when you are a regular user, in Dolphin. you can run a program as root?
[18:10] <LazersK> Okay, gtk-qt-engine now installed.
[18:10] <riorio> probably 8.10
[18:10] <DaSkreech> White_Pelican: press F4 and sudo it ?
[18:10] <DaSkreech> riorio: Hmm ?
[18:10] <DaSkreech> riorio: Oh Kubuntu version. try lsb_release -a from the terminal
[18:10] <riorio> ok, maybe 8.04 or something
[18:10] <EagleScreen> White_Pelican writting a servicemenu on KDE 4.2
[18:10] <White_Pelican> cool I learned something, DaSkreech
[18:10] <White_Pelican> I nver knew how to do that
[18:11] <LazersK> so, what now?
[18:11] <riorio> DaSkreech, 8.04.1
[18:11] <EagleScreen> LazersK did you installed libbonoboui2-0 by sudo aptitude install libbonoboui2-0??
[18:12] <DaSkreech> riorio: Right. Ok So yo uare in KDE 3 now?
[18:12] <LazersK> No, haven't yet
[18:12] <riorio> DaSkreech, yes, I guess so
[18:12] <EagleScreen> LazersK it is necessary to can use gtk-qt-engine
[18:13] <DaSkreech> riorio: Alright and your desktop is showing ~ instead of ~/Desktop
[18:13] <LazersK> Installing
[18:13] <LazersK> yup, got that.
[18:13] <LazersK> now?
[18:14] <khakane> cannot get java to work.  any ideas?
[18:14] <riorio> DaSkreech, I know it is showing the icons in my /home folder not my /home/desktop folder
[18:14] <riorio> I guess that was what you were saying
[18:15] <DaSkreech> riorio: Any directories ?
[18:15] <riorio> eh, make that my /home/myname/ folder
[18:15] <riorio> directories?
[18:15] <riorio> I've create hundreds of them
[18:15] <riorio> what do you mean?
[18:16] <LazersK> So, continue, Eagle?
[18:17] <DaSkreech> riorio: Showing on your desktop
[18:17] <EagleScreen> Systemsettings -> Apparience -> Gtk Styles and Fonts
[18:17] <DaSkreech> if its your ~ then there should be a Desktop directory on your desktop
[18:17] <riorio> ahm DaSkreech yes dirs and files and shortcuts etc
[18:17] <DaSkreech> Is there a desktop directory there?
[18:18] <riorio> DaSkreech, yes
[18:18] <DaSkreech> riorio: Ah ok :)
[18:18] <DaSkreech> Lets try hunt this down
[18:18] <LazersK> now what?
[18:20] <riorio> DaSkreech, I'm not sure it matters, but in my main menu there are icons both for KDE 3 and KDE 4.  it's possible there is something wrong with my desktop related to this
[18:20] <DaSkreech> riorio: no
[18:20] <riorio> I failed to install KDE 4 while ago
[18:20] <DaSkreech> In hardy they install alongside each other so they both exist
[18:20] <DaSkreech> how do you define fail ?
[18:21] <riorio> nothing happened when I installed it
[18:21] <riorio> ircc, the install process hang
[18:21] <DaSkreech> riorio: Ha ha You probably need to logout and press alt+T and select it when you login
[18:21] <EagleScreen> LazersK restart KDE and you will see gtk applications themed as you stablished on Gtk Style and Fonts
[18:21] <riorio> DaSkreech, OK, I'll try that
[18:22] <DaSkreech> riorio: Do you have kcontrol?
[18:23]  * riorio is looking
[18:23] <DaSkreech> alt+f2 and type kcontrol
[18:23] <riorio> nothing happens when I press alt+f2
[18:23] <DaSkreech> hmm
[18:23] <DaSkreech> ok
[18:23] <riorio> alt+space for Katault
[18:23] <riorio> *Katapult
[18:23] <DaSkreech> riorio: That woks :)
[18:24] <riorio> katapult is ansering there is nothing such
[18:24] <riorio> *answering
[18:25] <riorio> DaSkreech, should I install it?
[18:25] <DaSkreech> I.. suppose
[18:26] <joh6nn> my update-notifier doesn't run at startup; any ideas on how i can fix that? i've checked the settings from the adept-installer, and they appear to be correct
[18:27] <LazersK> Huh, how can i make it that when I switch desktops, the windows don't carry over in the taskbar?
[18:27] <DaSkreech> LazersK: Take it off being on all desktops ?
[18:27] <LazersK> ..How?
[18:27] <DaSkreech> alt+F3 -> advanced -> choose a desktop
[18:28] <LazersK> Alt F3 does nothing.
[18:28] <doktoreas> anyone using kopete with kde 4.2 can connect to gtalk?
[18:28] <DaSkreech> grr not advanced But -> To desktop
[18:28] <Salze> doktoreas: yes
[18:28] <DaSkreech> LazersK: Really? try alt+space
[18:28] <zorglu_> q. what is the default --prefix for ./configure on ubuntu ?
[18:28] <eagles0513875> DaSkreech:  how r ya long time no c
[18:28] <doktoreas> it complains about ssl
[18:28] <LazersK> That does nothing
[18:28] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: It would be in the configure script
[18:28] <LazersK> Is alt meant to be the meta key?
[18:28] <DaSkreech> eagles0513875: Busy
[18:29] <DaSkreech> doktoreas: What is the complaint?
[18:29] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:29] <DaSkreech> LazersK: Yes I think. are you on a mac?
[18:29] <eagles0513875> doktoreas: did that link i gave you help you
[18:29] <Salze> doktoreas: I have checked all three options on the connections page and use talk.google.com on port 5223.
[18:29] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: there is no 'most common one' ? or default one ?
[18:29] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: Yes but if the configure script says something else then it will go there
[18:30] <DaSkreech> unless you override it with --prefix
[18:30] <LazersK> So, what should i do if Alt F3 does zilch?
[18:30] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: is that /usr or /usr/local ? another one ?
[18:30] <DaSkreech> latter
[18:31] <DaSkreech> LazersK: Right click the window title ?
[18:31] <doktoreas> SSL support could not be initialized for account This is most likely because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system.
[18:31] <doktoreas> this is the error
[18:31] <sonic> I have a question for the kubuntu developers.  I often see statements in the kde pre-release announcements (kde4 rc1 for example) that users should not file bug reports against them.  Now I understand that kubuntu does not officially support them and thats what that statement means, but why not suggest that bugs be filed to bugs.kde.org?
[18:31] <Salze> LazersK: You want the taskbar to only show the windows of the current desktop? Do I understand that correctly?
[18:31] <White_Pelican> should I assume the abilty to change the splash screen is still broken?
[18:31] <LazersK> Yes.
[18:32] <sonic> otherwise if no one files bugs then that defeats the purpose of a release candidate does it not?
[18:32] <DaSkreech> sonic: By all means please do so
[18:32] <Salze> LazersK: You can configure that by clicking on the cashew (upper right corner) of the taskbar, then right click on the window list.
[18:32] <sonic> but the announcements give the impression that bug reports should not be filed at all
[18:32] <turuburu> hi guys
[18:32] <DaSkreech> hi turuburu
[18:32] <LazersK> Ah, ok
[18:32] <turuburu> ok guys i put kde 4.2rc1, kernel 2.6.28 and grub 2 at intrepid
[18:33] <turuburu> kde 4.2 is great. at least now productivity with file management
[18:33] <turuburu> now i ll try with ext4
[18:33] <LazersK> wheres that?
[18:33] <LazersK> My cashew is IN the taskbar
[18:33] <LazersK> And it jsut has stuff to do with widgets
[18:34] <Salze> Yes, and the window list is a widget. Right click on it to configure it.
[18:34] <LazersK> I don't have that?
[18:34] <LazersK> I only have the desktop widget on.
[18:35] <Salze> You don't have the window list?
[18:35] <LazersK> i don't know what you mean?
[18:35] <sonic> DaSkreech: and I do, Im just saying that you should instead include a statement that refers people to bugs.kde.org
[18:35] <LazersK> right clicking on the cashew, brings up add widgets and such.
[18:35] <DaSkreech> Normally there is something of that ilk
[18:35] <Salze> Right click on the window list - not on the cashew.
[18:35] <Salze> You need to first unlock the widgets by left clicking on the cashew.
[18:35] <LazersK> Add widgets come up with a widget list
[18:36] <DaSkreech> turuburu: Woah where did you get the new kernel from ?
[18:36] <joh6nn> my update-notifier doesn't run at startup; any ideas on how i can fix that?
[18:36] <LazersK> Gah, i'll do it later
[18:36] <LazersK> ( Film, brb. )
[18:37] <turuburu> dask i ve put the jaunty repos temporarily. i installed only kernel. then removed them
[18:38] <turuburu> DaSkreech: it works perfectly
[18:38] <sonic> DaSkreech: and Im not a developer so I should state that this is my own opinion
[18:40] <khakane> anyone??? cannot get java to work in Intrepid
[18:40] <khakane> ii  sun-java6-jre                              6-10-0ubuntu2                                        Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (ar
[18:40] <joh6nn> khakane: what's it do?
[18:40] <khakane> keeps telling me i need to install java runtime environment
[18:41] <DaSkreech> sonic: It's not a bad opinion
[18:41] <DaSkreech> !java
[18:41] <DaSkreech> khakane: Maybeed to update alternatives
[18:41] <khakane> tried, there is only 1 and its already linked
[18:41] <khakane> There is only 1 program which provides java
[18:41] <khakane> (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[18:43] <khakane> yea that page did nothing
[18:43] <shadowhywind> hay all, do kdm3 themes work in kdm4
[18:45] <uffo> currently like i understand that ext4 can be used only with manual mode installation in 9.04 not with guided ???
[18:46] <khakane> GRRR i need this to work i need to connect to an ipkvm like immediately
[18:46] <Pici> !jaunty
[18:47] <uffo> currently like i understand that EXT4 can be used only with manual mode installation in Kubuntu 9.04 final???
[18:48] <uffo> news said that ext4 wont be in by default does that mean that
[18:49] <Pici> uffo: Jaunty is offtopic for this channel, please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[18:51] <riorio> DaSkreech, Thanks a lot for that Alt-T trick.  I\m on KDE 4 now (still need to get my Swedish keyboard back though)
[18:51] <DaSkreech> riorio: Welcome
[18:51] <DaSkreech> uffo: true
[18:51] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: no
[18:51] <riorio> I feel like Nro in the Matrix   I just had a nail stuck into the back of my head
[18:51] <DaSkreech> khakane: What happens if you call the jre directly?
[18:52] <riorio> |Neo
[18:52] <khakane> i can type java at prompt and it goes
[18:53] <tk_> hello
[18:53] <tk_> can i speak german here?
[18:54] <Pici> !de | tk_
[18:54] <turuburu> uffo: i try to put it at intrepid
[18:55] <kilani> hi i do not have the possibility to use my usbstick
[18:55] <kilani> i cannot use my usb printer and usb stick
[19:00] <darkhamm_> hey people, i've ubuntu intrepid, i'm trying to install kde4.2rc from the repository in kubuntu site, bit i can't load it
[19:00] <riorio> åäö :)
[19:00] <Frederick> folks which is the command to configure x automatically?
[19:01] <darkhamm_> what i must install from repo? i can't find kubuntu-desktop-kde4 or something like
[19:01] <DaSkreech> riorio: :-D
[19:01] <riorio> :)
[19:01]  * riorio loves KDE 4
[19:01] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: Read the topic?
[19:01] <DaSkreech> riorio: Wait till KDE 4.2
[19:01] <riorio> will :)
[19:02] <Frederick> xorg reports no devices detected =/
[19:02] <magoo_> Could anybody help out a newbie to Kubuntu and the linux world?
[19:03] <massimo_> !list
[19:03] <hyper_ch> magoo_: the art of mind-reading over the internet is not mastered by many people
[19:03] <darkhamm_> DaSkreech: in my message i wrote , "i insert the repo from kubuntu page" at the link in the topic, but i don't have nothing to upgrade, i haven't any kde4 installation, and i don't know what i must do
[19:04] <magoo_> sorry hyper, i'm am having issues with running kubuntu in generic mode, i think it might be an issue with my video card
[19:04] <Frederick> Can I have some help please?
[19:05] <hyper_ch> Frederick: : the art of mind-reading over the internet is not mastered by many people
[19:05] <Frederick> hyper_ch: Ivbe posted my problem
[19:05] <Frederick> hyper_ch: xorg reports no devices detected =/ive re read both nvidia config and xorg config no luck at all
[19:05] <hyper_ch> Frederick: what video card? what drivers?
[19:06] <Frederick> hyper_ch: gefroce 8800 gts nvidia driver
[19:06] <hyper_ch> Frederick: what nvidia driver?
[19:06] <Frederick> the one adept suggested me to install
[19:07] <hyper_ch> Frederick: hmmm... I got the 9500 GT and has worked without issues
[19:07] <DaSkreech> magoo_: What's up?
[19:07] <hyper_ch> Frederick: but maybe you should then get the semi-latest on
[19:07] <magoo_> heh,  same old problem as last night daskreech
[19:07] <hyper_ch> Frederick: 1.80.17 as I've heard 1.80.22 gives problesm
[19:07] <Frederick> hyper_ch: it says failed to load module type 1
[19:07] <hyper_ch> Frederick: no clue
[19:07] <lorenso> yea porfin
[19:08] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: you are on interprid?
[19:08] <darkhamm_> yes, ubuntu intrepid
[19:08] <lorenso> XD al 100% ubuntu eltimate edition
[19:08] <lorenso> O.o
[19:08] <magoo_> kubuntu 8.10 works fine in "recovery mode" chosen at startup of my comp, i can still use my xp fine, but everytime i try to use kubuntu in "generic" mode, it freezes
[19:08] <lorenso> :O intrepit
[19:08] <lorenso> ??
[19:09] <hyper_ch> Frederick: have a read through here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990978
[19:09] <DaSkreech> hi lorenso
[19:09] <Frederick> I was with nvidia 177
[19:09] <Frederick> hyper_ch: im on irssi it will be messy to read
[19:09] <DaSkreech> magoo_: Where does it freeze?
[19:10] <lorenso> XD alguien abla español
[19:10] <magoo_> when i choose to runb kubuntu in generic mode, instead of recovery, it freezes right away, in the waiting to boot section
[19:10] <Frederick> hyper_ch: im trying 180 now
[19:10] <DaSkreech> !es | lorenso
[19:10] <DaSkreech> magoo_: serious? Hmm
[19:10] <magoo_> yup
[19:10] <DaSkreech> how long did you wait?
[19:10] <lorenso> XD gracias
[19:10] <hyper_ch> Frederick: as said, some people there report they have problem with the latest .22 one... maybe use a previous one
[19:10] <magoo_> but everything works fine in "recovery mode" which confuses me
[19:11] <DaSkreech> magoo_: Different drivers.
[19:11] <Frederick> hyper_ch: same error failed to load module type1
[19:11] <DaSkreech> magoo_: did you update in revoery mode ?
[19:11] <magoo_> yea
[19:11] <darkhamm_> ok, i understand, kde4rc is fake.
[19:11] <Frederick> which is the name of that browser in text mode?
[19:11] <hyper_ch> Frederick: then you'll have to google that
[19:11] <magoo_> updated and then installed the nvidia recommend driver 177 all in recovery
[19:12] <hyper_ch> I think I'll also upgrade to 1.80.xx
[19:13] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: huh?
[19:14] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: just update once you have enabled the repos they over write your current KDE
[19:14] <darkhamm_> DaSkreech: i DON'T have anyone.
[19:15] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: Wait what are you running now?
[19:15] <DaSkreech> Gnome or KDE ?
 : gnome, in Ubuntu intrepid
[19:16] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: ok install kubuntu-desktop
 :isn't kde3?
[19:17] <DaSkreech> darkhamm_: Hmm ?
[19:17] <DaSkreech> not in Ibex . There is no KDE3
 : if i install the kubuntu-desktop package, i install kde3 ?
[19:17] <darkhamm_> ok
 thanx i belived kubuntu-desktop as a kde3 installation, thanx, i think it will works now
[19:20] <Knysliux001> hello
[19:20] <DaSkreech> hi
[19:20] <Knysliux001> Is it possible to use kopete with skype?
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Knysliux001: Yes not in any Kubuntu packages currentyl
[19:20] <DaSkreech> currently
[19:21] <Knysliux001> any way to compile it?
[19:21] <TheZ> Has anyone any suggestions for RAID on 8.10? I have a PNY SATA!! PCIe 1x card(unused), but can't decide whether to use it or software/bios RAID (need RAID 1)... TIA!
[19:22] <TheZ> "!!" = "II"
[19:23] <DaSkreech> !compile | Knysliux001
[19:23] <DaSkreech> !raid
[19:23] <franco_> ciao
[19:25] <franco_> !list
[19:25] <TheZ> well, bot, I'm not certain as to whether the PNY card is sw or hw...
[19:25] <Knysliux001> DaSkreech: Thanks
[19:27] <hyper_ch> hmmm, the 180.06 driver is nice
[19:27] <riorio> can't I change the number of desktops in KDE 4?
[19:27] <riorio> or have different desktop backgrounds on different desktops?
[19:27] <TheZ> riorio: rclick on the small desktop icons, selet configure.. :)
[19:28] <riorio> TheZ, oh, that simple. Thx :)
[19:29] <Draiden> hello I've got a small question, i'm currently running eeebuntu on my netbook and I really like it, i'm also in doubt about changing from windows to linux on my normal pc, but I have a question: how is the Wine support these days? I don't game a lot, but If I want to game, is Wine good enough?
[19:29] <riorio> I mut have spent 30 minutes in the system preferences
[19:29] <TheZ> :)
[19:31] <DaSkreech> riorio: yes and yes I don't know what version of KDE you have though
[19:31] <riorio> DaSkreech, I'm on KDE 4 now :)
[19:31] <DaSkreech> Draiden: hit up appdb.winehq.org and look for your games
[19:31] <DaSkreech> riorio: 4.0 4.1 and 4.2 are vastly vvaaassstllly different
[19:31] <riorio> oh
[19:34] <riorio> DaSkreech, I'n on KDE 4.0.5
[19:34] <riorio> *I'm
[19:34] <DaSkreech> riorio: Oh dear lord
[19:34] <DaSkreech> My apologies :)
[19:34] <riorio> I guess that's old
[19:35] <riorio> :)
[19:35] <DaSkreech> It's also kinda nasty
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Hi jono!!
[19:35] <jono> hey :)
[19:35] <DaSkreech> how are You?
[19:35] <Frederick> Folks can anyone help me with nvidia and x server?
[19:35] <Azzmodan> I just installed the kubuntu-desktop meta package on 8.10, but not only is kde kinda laggy it also crashes at random moments, using an nvidia card with the 1.77 drivers. Any idea on where to start looking for the problem?
[19:36] <Frederick> Azzmodan: /var/logs
[19:40] <Guest11548> hello again ppl. Help pls! I can't install any theme via theme manager...every theme I download from kde-look seems not to have the correct format
[19:40] <Guest11548> help pls
[19:40] <DaSkreech> What version of  kde?
[19:40] <Guest11548> 3.5
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Guest11548: I think most themes should have a README in them to say how to install
[19:42] <Guest11548> oh...that'd be too much to ask hahah
[19:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[19:43] <DaSkreech> Which themes?
[19:44] <Guest11548> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=75295&file1=75295-1.png&file2=75295-2.jpg&file3=75295-3.jpg&name=kollide
[19:45] <Guest11548> I want that one installed hahahah :)
[19:46] <Guest11548> anyway...it doesn't have a readme and I don't know whether it's suited for kde 3.5 or not heheh. i'm kinda' newby
[19:49] <Frederick> can I have help configureing a nvidia card in ubuntu 8.1 for amd 64?
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Fred: blast
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Guest11548: Looks like KDE 3
[19:55] <DaSkreech>  what's the actual theme link?
[19:57] <vit> HGFH
[19:58] <Guest11548> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/kollide?content=75295
[19:59] <Guest11548> that's the download link
[20:03] <elenaw> I'm having problems with bluetooth-browse.  It displays Couldn't execute command: nautilus --no-default-window "obex://[00:23:D6:5A:AC:03]"
[20:04] <elenaw> and I have installed gnome-vfs-obexftp
[20:04] <elenaw> so I don't know what else I can do
[20:04] <DaSkreech> Ibex?
[20:04] <elenaw> does anybody else
[20:05] <Pici> elenaw: This is the Kubuntu channel, you'd have better luck asking in #ubuntu , as people use Gnome there.
[20:05] <elenaw> i use kubuntu
[20:05] <elenaw> those are the recommended tools for kubuntu, from what i can find
[20:05] <ruffles_> how do i set the connection to another channel??
[20:06] <max__> ciao
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Ciao
[20:07] <max__> !list
[20:07] <PSiL0> with kde 4.1.3, is it possible for firefox and banshee to share sound?  If one is using the alsa driver, the other cannot until the application is closed
[20:08] <hyper__ch> works with ff and amarok
[20:08] <p_quarles> elenaw: the bluetooth utility for KDE is kdebluetooth
[20:09] <PSiL0> hyper_ch: amarok controls my larger library ;)
[20:09] <PSiL0> hyper_ch: I use banshee whenever I go to work
[20:10] <PSiL0> hyper_ch: amarok 1.4.10+mysql is great for my large library stored on my external..
[20:14] <hyper__ch> PSiL0: I use amarok 2 meanwhile
[20:14] <DaSkreech> is 2.1out?
[20:15] <PSiL0> 2.0.1.1 I believe
[20:17] <DaSkreech> ah right that wsa it
[20:18] <neothecat> good morning.  i just installed kde4 rc2... where is the kcontrol?  i can't configure keyboard shortcuts or anything like that.  or the windows.  thanks.
[20:18] <hyper__ch> amarok nightly from the neon project is recommended by me
[20:19] <DaSkreech> neothecat: No one has ported kcontrol to KDE4 yet
[20:20] <|Yves|> hi,i I have 2 observations from the kde4.2 rc1 packages on amd64: kdebluetooth is missing and so are the google gadgets
[20:20] <DaSkreech> as I recall Chani was working on a plasmoid
[20:20] <ummels> neothecat: all settings are in "System Settings" now
[20:21] <elenaw> p_quarles: ok, do you know any good howtos or instruction about kdebluetooth?
[20:21] <DaSkreech> for some definition of all settings
[20:22] <PSiL0> I tried amarok beta 2, and I didn't like the lack of implementing labels nor the cumbersome way of navigating through my collection, one with quite a few compilations (read: various artists)
[20:22] <neothecat> ummels:  i go to the main menu button, go to settings, but i do not see keyboard bindings or anything like that.  perhaps i am missing a package
[20:22] <PSiL0> The only thing I did like was the use of mysql in amarok2, which beats the pants of sqlite in terms of speed when searching through large collections
[20:23] <ummels> neothecat: Don't u have "Keyboard & Mouse" under "Computer Administration" in System Settings?
[20:23] <PSiL0> however, there is a way to implement mysql in amarok 1.4.x, so I'll still with that until amarok 2 matures
[20:23] <|Yves|> I see a lot of flicker after logging in from kdm, the screen background changes several times after login, anyone else?
[20:23]  * DaSkreech hugs PSiL0
[20:24] <PSiL0> lol
[20:25] <luigi> ciao
[20:25] <PSiL0> funny thing happened, it seems like banshee and firefox can play nice now... weird... all I did the other day was to install other alsa packages.. I do recall there was an update this morning, although I thought it was libcups.... hmm
[20:26] <PSiL0> damn, this cold is wrecking havoc on my memory, lol
[20:26] <neothecat> ummels:  i do not even have a "System Settings"....
[20:27] <ummels> neothecat: Didn't you just say you have them when you open the menu?
[20:27] <LazersK> Back for a second.
[20:27] <LazersK> Wheres this windows lsit then?
[20:27] <ummels> neothecat: you can start them from a console by "systemsettings" btw
[20:28] <neothecat> ummels: don't have that command either.  which explains my problem :)
[20:29] <ummels> neothecat: install kubuntu-desktop then ;-)
[20:29] <LazersK> Hm. I can't find any windows lists. x_X
[20:29] <neothecat> ummels:  i have regular ubuntu installed.  i just wanted to play with kde4.  is that going to cause any problems?
[20:30] <ummels> neothecat: right, just install "systemsettings" then
[20:30] <neothecat> ummels: wow.  that's the package name.  who thought it would be simple.
[20:30] <ummels> neothecat: which package did u install to get KDE4 then?
[20:31] <ummels> neothecat: i don't know if u'll have every module then though
[20:31] <DaSkreech> neothecat: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[20:31] <neothecat> i am using ubuntu 8.10, not kubuntu
[20:32] <yoritomo> hello
[20:32] <DaSkreech> neothecat: Ah ok then enable the repository in the topic
[20:32] <DaSkreech> !hi | yoritomo
[20:32] <ummels> neothecat: To install all of KDE you can install the "kde" package
[20:33] <yoritomo> how to replace the horrible start screen image in intrepid kubuntu by a personnal image ?
[20:33] <neothecat> ok, thanks.  i will do that.  btw, install systemsettings did the trick. thanks.
[20:33] <ummels> neothecat: welcome
[20:33] <DaSkreech> yoritomo: Which image ?
[20:34] <yoritomo> you when kde starting, it is the coloured icons showing the start evolution, and the background is a ugly B/W image
[20:35] <ummels> yoritomo: Try System Settings -> Appearence -> Splash Screen
[20:36] <DaSkreech> yoritomo: Yeah :0
[20:36] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:36] <ummels> yoritomo: Change it to none if you want. To keep the icons but change the background is a bit more difficult
[20:38] <yoritomo> ho really?
[20:38] <LazersK> Hm, using KDE my system CPu stays around 60% usage
[20:38] <LazersK> Why?
[20:39] <hallowname> LazersK: run 'top' and see what's using so much CPU
[20:40] <LazersK> top?
[20:40] <ummels> yoritomo: The default theme lies in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[20:40] <LazersK> Ah, firefox
[20:40] <hallowname> LazersK: run konsole (terminal), type 'top', press enter
[20:40] <LazersK> Firefox is such a memory hog. >_>
[20:40] <ummels> I guess you could copy that to $HOME/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/Themes and make ur own theme
[20:40] <hallowname> LazersK: yes, but still should not use 60% of cpu :/
[20:41] <LazersK> 29%
[20:41] <DaSkreech> LazersK: yes it is
[20:41] <LazersK> 39% *
[20:42] <LazersK> Can amorak play m4a files?
[20:42] <hallowname> LazersK: with the right codecs... im not sure what package it's in however...
[20:43] <LazersK> Huh.
[20:43] <ummels> LazersK: installing "kubuntu-restricted-extras" might do the trick
[20:43] <LazersK> What wil lthat do>?
[20:44] <hallowname> LazersK: it's extra codecs and other not-so-obviously legal files...
[20:44] <ummels> LazersK: install some codes and other non-free packages like Java and Flash
[20:44] <LazersK> Ah.
[20:44] <LazersK> OK.
[20:44] <knubbe> LazersK: if your on a page with flash, it will definately go up to 60%. the flash implementation for linux is... not good.
[20:44] <knubbe> s/your/you're
[20:46] <yoritomo> how to create my own splash screen ?
[20:46] <yoritomo> is it an editor?
[20:46] <ummels> yoritomo: just copy the directory and replace the images
[20:46] <DaSkreech> yoritomo: look in http://techbase.kde.org
[20:48] <heinrich_> jkhg
[20:49] <hyper__ch> oh noes, there's a vulnerability in xulrunner
[20:49] <LazersK> Hm, what's the recommended ram and VRAM for KDE?
[20:50] <yoritomo> ummels which directory?
[20:50] <ummels> yoritomo: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[20:53] <yoritomo> ummels , thanks it is really what i wanted
[20:53] <DaSkreech> LazersK: Depends on what you are doing but I would say 512 should be workable
[20:55] <ummels> yoritomo: You could try the "Get New Themes..." button in System Settings -> Appearence -> Splash Screen
[20:55] <ummels> yoritomi: also
[20:56] <yoritomo> yes but all the themes are quite ugly :s
[20:56] <ummels> yoritomo: i agree ;-)
[20:59] <yoritomo> good night all, see you later ;)
[21:01] <IagoBR> Alguem sabe como jogar Priston Tale no Kubuntu ? Pelo Wine ?
[21:01] <IagoBR> Preciso manter o XTrap
[21:01] <IagoBR> para que o jogo execute
[21:01] <LazersK> Lemme guess.
[21:02] <IagoBR> alguem tem alguma ideia ?
[21:02] <LazersK> #kubuntu-it
[21:03] <PhilRod> !pt
[21:06] <IagoBR> how can i play Priston Tale in Wine ?
[21:06] <IagoBR> Fix the XTrap...
[21:06] <IagoBR> to enter in game !
[21:14] <toki_> im looking for ubuntu support
[21:15] <PSiL0> !#ubuntu
[21:15] <PSiL0> toki_:  ummm, #ubuntu?
[21:16] <snake_> can anyone please help me. i tried to install 2 packages that were broken or i couldnt managed to get , anyways i purged them but now everytime i restart the pc i get a crashed application error saying that those 2 packages couldnt be downloaded. i tried apt-get clean but that didnt help. can anyone tell me how to clear this errors
[21:17] <hyper__ch> snake_: mind-reading over the internet is an art not many people master
[21:18] <snake_> hyper__ch: thank you. i tried everything possible but i am not resolving this.
[21:18] <hyper__ch> snake_: mind-reading over the internet is an art not many people master
[21:18] <snake_> hyper_ch what do you mean ?
[21:19] <JDShewey> Trying to create a script which secretly sends network topology information to myself in case my laptop is stolen. What I want to know is is there a way to set a maximum number of attempts for traceroute?
[21:19] <JDShewey> Currently if it encounters a firewall it just sits there trying to identify the router over and over.
[21:23] <DaSkreech> snake_: Which paackages ?
[21:23] <snake_> DaSkreech: packagekit and sun-java6-doc
[21:23] <snake_> i am not sure about the exact name of packagekit
[21:23] <snake_> but sure about the sun-java6-doc
[21:24] <DaSkreech> what's the error?
[21:24] <HughCock> Hello, I am running dual monitors with kubuntu 8.10 (DVI NVIDIA)... On my secondary monitor.... There appears to be a line that scans top to bottom and it gets rather annoying... Anyone experience anything like this?
[21:25] <adz21c> HughCock: Yea I got that
[21:25] <snake_> sorry the package : "sun-java6-doc 6-10-0ubuntu2" failed to install or upgrade
[21:25] <HughCock> adz21: is there a fix for that?
[21:26] <adz21c> HughCock: Well typically it is mostly only noticable in stuff like Video players, where apparently the nvidia-settings program can change the vsync to work better for that monitor, personally its never worked for me
[21:27] <DaSkreech> snake_: is the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[21:27] <snake_> DaSkreech: let me check
[21:27] <HughCock> adz21c: exactly.... i notice when stuffs moving, video players, etc... I'll try the vsync though... thanks!
[21:27] <djp> hello everybody, i know this is the wrong place, but i am in real trouble, anybody knows where to find microsoft exchange pros?
[21:28] <adz21c> HughCock: None of it works for me, I think its just nvidia drivers being crap, to be frank
[21:28] <HughCock> adz21c: yeah probably
[21:28] <snake_> DaSkreech: no. the debs arent there
[21:28] <adz21c> HughCock: As I don't get the problem with xinerama, only when using twinview, unfortunately then I don't get compositing
[21:28] <ummels> !microsoft
[21:28] <snake_> DaSkreech: i tried also apt-get clean and autoclean but that didnt help
[21:29] <HughCock> adz21c: yeah exactly... damn.
[21:29] <DaSkreech> snake_: try installing only one
[21:30] <djp> thx @ ubotto .. @ummels: the dark forces are strong
[21:30] <adz21c> HughCock: yea, so good luck :-). I can direct you to a ubuntu bug thread I have been posting on (its for 8.04 though, so its pretty much gone dead due to 8.10 uptake)
[21:30] <slow-motion> hi
[21:31] <adz21c> HughCock: might have some useful ideas for ya though
[21:31] <HughCock> adz21c: sure, you got a link?
[21:31] <adz21c> HughCock: sure, give me a moment
[21:31] <IagoBR> How can i Make XTrap Work on Linux ?
[21:31] <ummels> !wine > lagoBR
[21:31] <toki_> hey guys i need help with a monitor issue  i am a complete noob to ubuntu
[21:31] <ummels> !wine | lagoBR
[21:31] <DaSkreech> ummels: Why both ?
[21:32] <ummels> DaSkreech: sorry
[21:32] <DaSkreech> ummels: Just asking
[21:32] <ummels> DaSkreech: wanted to to do the second in the first place ;-)
[21:33] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[21:33] <DaSkreech> Ok
[21:33] <adz21c> HughCock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/151674
[21:33] <DaSkreech> how do I burn a Cd with wodim ?
[21:33] <snake_> DaSkreech: same results
[21:33] <ummels> DaSkreech: Use K3B ;-)
[21:33] <DaSkreech> snake_: are they in your /var/cache/apt/archives now?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> ummels: don't have it available
[21:34] <snake_> DaSkreech: nope
[21:34] <ummels> DaSkreech: y not?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> cause
[21:34] <HughCock> adz21c: thanks... I'll look into it and stop in if I ever find a fix
[21:34] <DaSkreech> snake_: hmm ok try grab them from p.u.c and dpkg install them
[21:35] <DaSkreech> snake_: did you try apt-get install -f ?
[21:35] <adz21c> HughCock: cool, good luck
[21:35] <snake_> DaSkreech: let me try with the -f option
[21:35] <ummels> snake_: what exactly happens when u enter "apt-get install packagekit"? u are connected to the internet, aren't u? ;-)
[21:35] <toki_> can someone PLEASE help a noob out with a resolution/monitor problem
[21:36] <ummels> snake_: Ah, have u done "apt-get update"?
[21:36] <DaSkreech> toki_: Ask
[21:37] <snake_> ummels: yes i did
[21:37] <ummels> _snake: then i don't understand why it cannot dl the package
[21:40] <PSiL0> !k3b
[21:41] <PSiL0> !ask
[21:43] <DaSkreech> toki_: What's the problem?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> snake_: grab them from packages.ubuntu.com
[21:43] <snake_> DaSkreech: thats what i did now
[21:43] <snake_> http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-doc_6-10-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[21:43] <toki_> ok my system will not reconize my monitor (its a 32" hd lcd tv with vga input) so my resolution is maxed out at 640*480
[21:44] <snake_> check it by yourself
[21:44] <snake_> it cant be installed
[21:44] <snake_> than it says is installed
[21:44] <DaSkreech> toki_: you can set it manually
[21:44] <DaSkreech> snake_: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/deb
[21:44] <toki_> well that just it im a complete noob to linux and i dont know how
[21:45] <toki_> anything past doing it throught the prefrences is over my head right now
[21:45] <DaSkreech> toki_: ok Umm I'm heading out now but there should be some X knowledge floating around here
[21:45] <snake_> DaSkreech: i get the same thing as before. the problem is not installing it. the problem is removing the crash report that shows when i start the pc
[21:46] <DaSkreech> ask more pointed questions to get better answers
[21:46] <DaSkreech> snake_: oh. Whats that say?
[21:46] <snake_> sorry the package : "sun-java6-doc 6-10-0ubuntu2" failed to install or upgrade
[21:46] <snake_> everytime i start the pc from now on i get this
[21:46] <DaSkreech> snake_: Remove it then?
[21:47] <snake_> i purged the package
[21:47] <snake_> but i keep geting it
[21:47] <DaSkreech> toki_: the issue yo uare looking for is resolution detection on a second monitor
[21:47] <DaSkreech> bah Toki left
[21:48] <stepz> I have a headless media pc and I'd like to use my laptop to play music from amarok and youtube through that computer, I'd like some tips on how to do that
[21:48] <stepz> I have been using x11vnc and krdc, but that is really sluggish
[21:49] <stepz> both the pc and laptop are kubuntu
[21:50] <DaSkreech> Where is amarok?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> on the headless or on the laptop?
[21:50] <stepz> currently on the headless, but pretty much doesn't matter
[21:50] <stepz> the music is on the headless
[21:51] <stepz> but i could always sshfs mount it
[21:51] <stepz> youtube is actually the tougher cookie
[21:51] <stepz> a lot more interactivity is required
[21:55] <DaSkreech> stepz: you can install a webserver remote for amarok
[21:56] <DaSkreech> so you get a web page interface
[21:56] <DaSkreech> you can manipulate playlists start stop queue etc
[21:58] <stepz> DaSkreech: as much as I've looked at them, they really don't seem to give much in the way of usability compared to just vnc'ing to the box
[21:58] <stepz> as I'm on a local network
[21:58] <DaSkreech> stepz: use up heccka less bandwidth and have fast searching through the collection
[22:06] <Rodrygho> aow
[22:11] <bill_> Hello all from Western NY..
[22:11] <esteeven> hello from Bristol UK
[22:12] <stepz> so no idea how to route audio from flashplayer to another machine?
[22:12] <bill_> Lots of snow today..15 degree's
[22:12] <bill_> Are you running a network?
[22:13] <stepz> bill_: yes, headless kubuntu box and a kubuntu laptop on a local network
[22:21] <bingbong> ok to ask newbie stuff here ?
[22:25] <ummels> !ask | bingbong
[22:37] <FrauHansen> hi, my keyboard is a little strange since the update to 4.2 rc1, arrows are not working and Alt-Gr sends enter
[22:38] <FrauHansen> is this only me or did somebody else experience this?
[22:39] <p_quarles> I'm on the same version, and haven't noticed anything along those lines
[22:39] <ummels> me neither
[22:40] <FrauHansen> hm, could be that it's only on the german settings...
[22:41] <HmpfCBR> Hi, I am wondering if there is a problem with phonon in kde 4.2 rc on intrepid? My Systemsetting crashes when clicking the multimedia icon, and various multimeadia pplications like dragon player and amarok 2.0.1 crash on startup. The kubuntu-experimental ppa seems to contain another version, than listed on http://www.kde.org/info/4.1.96.php also.
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> HmpfCBR: are you by any chance using a non-english locale?
[22:41] <ummels> FrauHansen: my country and keyboard is set to German as well, I am using English as language though
[22:41] <HmpfCBR> yes iam
[22:41] <HmpfCBR> german actually
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> it's an ubuntu xine bug
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/290768
[22:43] <ummels> HmpfCBR: amarok 2.0.1 and dragonplayer work fine for me with KDE 4.2 rc1
[22:44] <HmpfCBR> ah thanks, I'll change the locale to english and see if this works. thanks alot.
[22:45] <slow-motion> n8
[23:03] <werenerd> Just off the tops of their head, does anyone know where you can get KDE Desktop Patterns?
[23:10] <CoJaBo-Dell> Is there a way to make scrolling with the touchpad not horribly laggy?
[23:13] <gerard> d
[23:14] <david__> anyone using jaunty?
[23:14] <ummels> !jaunty
[23:16] <jussi01> david__: #ubuntu+1 for jounty help please (incuding kubuntu)
[23:36] <marius__> hello ppl, any idea of how can I open a empty dvd in kubuntu 8.04?
[23:36] <marius__> help pls
[23:36] <ghostcube> why would you open an empty dvd :|
[23:37] <ghostcube> you mean how to burn something ?
[23:37] <marius__> I mean...the autorun stuff
[23:37] <marius__> and yes
[23:37] <marius__> burn it
[23:37] <ghostcube> use k3b
[23:37] <ghostcube> schould work fine
[23:38] <marius__> but kubuntu doesn't seem to detect the dvd-rom
[23:38] <marius__> won't open any kinda' dvd's
[23:38] <marius__> only cd's
[23:38] <ghostcube> oh you cant open any dvd ?
[23:39] <marius__> nope
[23:39] <ghostcube> sure its a dvd rom
[23:39] <ghostcube> and not only a cd rom you have
[23:39] <marius__> works fine on Window$
[23:40] <ghostcube> have you looked into  dolphin if it detects the dvd ?
[23:40] <marius__> yes. it doesn't
[23:40] <ghostcube> hmm
[23:40] <marius__> nor it detects any other storage media after having inserted the dvd
[23:41] <flashkidd> marius__: whtat is ur dvd player?
[23:42] <marius__> I couldn't say for sure...it's part of my laptop
[23:42] <flashkidd> marius__: I was having problems to detect my dvd rom too
[23:43] <flashkidd> marius__: mine is a samsung
[23:43] <marius__> well...I don't know what's mine...it's part of my toshiba satellite
[23:43] <marius__> quite not sure about it
[23:44] <marius__> I'm no good at hardware stuff heheh
[23:44] <flashkidd> marius__: no problem
[23:44] <flashkidd> marius__: :-)
[23:44] <jordo2323> I just installed KDE 4.2 Beta 2 and was wondering is there an additional package I need to download to get additional widgets in the library?
[23:46] <cuznt> kde add-ons
[23:46] <flashkidd> someone else having problems with k3b?
[23:46] <cuznt> no
[23:46] <marius__> not there yet...heheh
[23:47] <flashkidd> lol
 have you looked into  dolphin if it detects the dvd ? it does but not with a black dvd for me.
[23:47] <cuznt> and sometimes i need permission to read the files
[23:48] <cuznt> blank rather
[23:48] <ghostcube> is there anything inside /media/cdrom or cdrom0 ?
[23:48] <ghostcube> if there is anythng on it
[23:48] <ghostcube> if its blank only k3b will read it
[23:48] <marius__> in my case nope
[23:48] <robson> pc dont starter compiz fusion
[23:50] <marius__> I have it installed. the k3b thing
[23:50] <marius__> not quite sure though]
[23:50] <marius__> if it also ...reads
[23:51] <marius__> well...self response...it doesn't
[23:55] <flashkidd> my dvd reads from linux, dvds and cds
[23:55] <flashkidd> the recording I do from command line with wodim
[23:56] <flashkidd> did u mounted the dvd?
[23:58] <ubuntu> Hi! i'm having problems with grub and kubuntu install. Anyone know if they can help? Grub appears to be gone.